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There is a dispute about whether Zoroastrianism predates or postdates Judaism, even amongst Zoroastrians. But that was the religion of the Persians. As religions go, it was pretty similar to Judaism. I wish the Persians stuck with it rather than moving on to Islam, but that's what they did.
In any case, the major difference between our religions I'm aware of is that the posit two gods, one good and the other evil, whereas Jews say that G-d creates both, the later by withdrawing. This has a number of philosophical knock on affects that gave birth to a demonology that influenced Christianity and some midieval Jewish streams (some say Kaballah).
That all said, the Jews appeared on the scene in the _12th century BCE_, well before the quotes you state. We are not just defined by the Talmudic scholars of Babylonia. Just as some opinions of Chazal seem to underscore the humanist message of the Jews (and in my opinion they are closer to the truth), others like those you state it undermine it.
I choose the messages of the humanist chazal.
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"It appears that this law applies even if the person whom the Jew is ordered to kill is a ger toshav."
It's either true or not. It's not a matter of appearing. You are talking of supposed laws in actual application.
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Also Wikipedia has to be backed up always as anyone can alter it.
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Wikipedia you appear to have used for the comparisons to those regimes of those kings.
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"Also Wikipedia has to be backed up always as anyone can alter it.
Rabban Gamliel"
Or make up something.
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regarding R. Kook; humans, animals, goyim, blahx3;
http://harherem.blogspot.com/200...aven-ii-
my.html
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12.11.07 - 7:15 pm | #
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again Rav Kook;
http://harherem.blogspot.com/200...kook-it-
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and 2005's orthodox forum volume;
http://ajhistory.blogspot.com/
20...ormulating.html
also on ethics and halacha, the two pieces by R. yitzchak blau from TuM Journal, "Brothers Karamazov Revisited" and "toward a jewish virtue ethic". he's also accessible for the sorts of questions talkreason raises. on archeology and Tanakh, I'd love to see a post chewing on R. Yoel Bin Nun's perspectives (recent piece by R. hayyim angel in the last issue of Tradition) and his milieus kiruv efforts - as distinct from charedi kiruv perspectives.
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sorry, one more; the moderated discussion between R. Becchofer and R. Schiller here;
http://schiller.bechhofer.google...ooglepages.com/
R. Schiller begins by detailing his own struggles with ethically-challenging sources in Torah and his reconciliations - as a Skvar Chassid (and paleo-conservative, but that's a different topic).
And also R. Don Seeman's essays (also someone probably worth consulting on the anti-goy sources);
http://sociology.huji.ac.il/seeman.html
dseeman@emory.edu
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