Comments on Klein Verzet
Post it on You-Tube?
So that Pakistan can come and break the internet again?
Yeah, why not... 
Do you even know what FITNA means?
Yes, we do. Even if we're 'infidels'.
He shouldn't host it on a US server either, wouldn't be the first time a blog would be closed down.
He should ask these loonies to put it up, they are out against Obama, but judging by their work, they have the courage to stand up to anything and everything. They claim to be left-wing, but I think contrarian is a better description. try it, you never know. By loonies I mean stop-obama.org website.
I hope he hosts it on a US website so that someone can sue the crap out of him.
I hope most of the world will realise that this guy is only one person and NOT representative of the Dutch population in general who greatly appose this so called (15 minute) movie
pete you are tottaly right
wilders is saying that all the dutch people are against muslims.
also mister wilders is making a mistake by not underlining the fact that he is against extremist muslims. he is generalising that all muslims are terrorists, which they clearly are not
of course he has the freedom to say what ever he wants. but everyone needs to realise that he is ONE guy with an extreme vision on religion. and he doesn't speak for the rest of holland
and me i don't believe in religion, everyone has the right to believe what they want. as long as they don't bother other people with it
and both mister wilders and all the terrorist are harming and endangering themselvels and everyone they speak their opinion to.
so is want to say this to all the terrorists en to mister wilders
SHUT UP
take it up with who give a shit don't go speak for people who don't give damn about your sick and twisted opinion
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Start the Shout I say - and well said thomas
GEERT WILDERS - SHUT UP !!!
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Alright gentlemen,
You are, as everyone visiting here, free to have and express your opinion. You will not be banned or have your comments deleted for having an opinion.
But I would be greatful if you would express it in a thoughful, reasonable manner without lacing it with juvenile profanity.
In this place we take freedom of thought, speech and opinion very seriously, but we are very mindful of the way in which they are expressed.
Consider this a friendly warning. I've edited your comments, gettig rid of the profanity without changing the opinion expressed.
In the future I expect you to excersise the self-control to make your comments in a manner that doesn't require the vocabulary of an adolescent.
Yes its true !!! its very true we muslims are killers and we are ready to kill all those who are not muslims and we will soon rule the world and all those who are in the west will burn and all those who are not muslims will be converted by force !!!
All muslims lets unite and destroy these cowards who insult our allah and religion.
We will turn the world into muslims only and quran will be taught in every school and college and our words will be preached to all !
Remember brothers we will be rewarded virgins in heaven.
Hmmm, interesting comments from 'MuslimRuleTheWorld" there,,,,and Klein Verzet you told me to behave? LOL
Remember that all the Nazis were Christians, but that doesn't mean that all Christians are Nazis - it would be utterly ridiculous to think so.
Just because there have been a string of Muslim terrorists associated with the war in Iraq, events like 9-11, Al-Qaeda etc it doesn't mean that EVERY Muslim is a terrorist - once again, it would be utterly ridiculous to think so
[to rephrase] : 'MuslimRuleTheWorld' - your comment is utterly ridiculous 
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Pete,
Didn't remove your post, did I? Just a minor adjustment to make it suitable for polite society
And as for MRTW: I'll let that stand, because 1) he is not in direct breach of The Rules. While freedom of expressin is somewhat limited here (as you can witness from experience) freedom of opinion is not.
And 2) the more people read what he's saying, the more people will realize what we're up against.
Nazis, the dedicated ones anyway, were not christian. Hitler and his cronies worked hard to make their own version of the germanic pantheon the new state religion.
To explain my viewpoint: I think that Nazism is inherently evil, yet I do not think that all members of the nazi party are necesarily evil men.
Likewise, I hold that islam is fundamentally a flawed, dehumanizing, illeberal and evil ideology. Yet I do not hold every muslim personally responsible for the atrocities perpetrated in the name of Allah.
Neither does Wilders. He's on record saying his problem is with islam, not with individual muslims. The idea that Wilders' grand ideal would be so many trainwagons of muslims to be sent to reinstated deathcamps is jsut som much scaremongering hyperbole from those that fear the muslims in our society.
Remember: It is Wilders that needs round the clock security, not the Dutch muslims.
I am not sure I get your point, what exactly is wrong with Muslims then? Or Islam?
To me I see that there has been a backlash against all Muslims from the events and organisations I talked about earlier (9-11 etc). These people who carried out these attacks were amongst many things Muslims. They were also from the Arab world so why move this hatred towards Arabs and not towards Muslims - remember that Indonesia (not in Arabia) is the most populous Islamic country in the world and now-a-days doing very well with democratic reform.
The 'Islamophobia' that is sweeping the western world is truly disturbing. Yes antagonists like Wilders need security, that is because he goes about deliberately antagonizing a very sensitive issue. It is the Dutch Muslims that need protection from this sweeping Islamophobia in public opinion (And I will state it again, I am a Christian myself, I just haven’t given into this growing creeping disease of general religious distain towards anyone who practices Islam).
Where did this come from? When I grew up it was hate the Communists they are trying to take us over, now it seems to be Hate the Muslims? What will it be in 10 years then - Hate the Chinese perhaps?
If someone commits a crime, don't blame the entire ethnic, cultural or religious group but blame the individuals who committed the crime.
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with individual muslims. If you have to ask what is wrong with islam, as an ideology, you haven't really been paying attention.
Islam is not like christianity (quite the opposite, actually) or any of the other world religions. The Golden Rule is extended to fellow muslims only. Lying, stealing and even killing of non-muslims is allowed and even encouraged. Individualism is ruthlessly repressed for the sake of the ummah (the worldwide islamic community). In fact, the whole of islam is directed to the spread of the ummah and islam, untill it has conquered the world. And 'conquered' has to be taken quite literally: War, these days more commonly known as Jihad.
There is a (deliberate) misconception that Jihad means 'inner spiritutal struggle', but if you read islamic texts (the Koran and the aHadeeth) the word Jihad only refers to war and bloodshed in the name of Allah.
And I will not even start to enumerate the countless 'laws' and provisions in islam that fly in the face of human rights and common decency.The stonings of 'adulterers' and hangings of homosexuals, the honor killings and all else, are directly derived from the Koran and the aHadeeth.
It's funny you draw the comparison with Communism, because they are alike in a number of ways. They both seek total control over an individuals private life, they both disallow private thought and demand absolute loyalty to the 'Greater Good' and both seek to dominate the world.
In the 60's, 70' and 80's we were raised anti-communist, not out of some irrational fear, but because communism *was* a danger to free societies. Much as Islam is today.
'Islamophobia' is a non-term, that was invented to prevent anyone from making critical observations on Islam. When I state (factually) that Muhammed, in todays terms, is a pedophile for marrying a six-year old and consumating the marriage when she was nine (the story of Aisha, told by herself, can be found in the aHadeeth) is nowadays categorized as 'islamophobia'. It is a term that is aimed at shutting down any debate or critical appraisal of Islam.
You're a Christian. Well, so am I. As such I think we are both aware of the shitty treatment Christianity has received from the intellectual elite over the last couple of decades. Yet no-one of those has ever needed protection or was killed for putting a crucifix in a jar of urine (to name but one example).
If we are expected to take all that in stride and rise above it (as I believe we should), why do we not expect the same of muslims? Why is any violent reaction of muslims to even the slightest bit of criticism all of a sudden the fault of the one making the criticism.
One more things about Islam vs. Christianity.
Islam claims to be the 'perfection' of Judaism and Christianity. Yet some of the principles in Islam are diametrically opposed to what we, as Christians, believe.
For instance, Islam holds that Jesus did not die on the cross, but rather that God made a bait 'n switch and some other poor fellow died, while Jesus was hidden away somewhere. Thus Islam completely invalidates the purpose of Christs sacrifice, which is the absolute centre of the Christian faith.
Where Christ tells us to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us, Islam urges muslims to kill non-believers 'wherever you find them'. Where Christ tells a crowd about to stone a woman 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone', the Koran and aHadeeth tell the story of Muhammed personally slitting the throat of around 600 jews after conquering their city, selling their women and children into slavery (which, btw, is still 'divinely' allowed and practiced in the islamic world).
Regardless of our agreement or disagreement, I think you'd do well to educate yourself a little in Islam. If you're interested: On the Resource Page you will find links to English on-line versions of the Koran and the aHadeeth. Also there you will find a link to a series 'Blogging the Koran' by Robert Spencer, a sort of cliff notes for the Koran, putting it all in context.
If you take much of what you have said and replace 'Islam' with 'Christianity' it amuses me that the same can be said about Christianity. It was the Christians who went about concurring the world - who sent missionaries out to 'convert' the masses, and yes the Christians who used violence against all the non-believers in the Crusading wars. Who invaded Iraq? Christian or Muslim? Who called it a modern crusade – George Bush that’s who.
And check your old testament about homosexuality, you might just be surprised just how 'tolerant' our holy book, the Bible, is.
If you think this Christian ideology is simply part of history, I suggest you look at any revivalist Christian TV station in the United States.
I did like your elusion that the Nazis were Not Christians. With all respect that is simply not true. There are many documented cases where the Catholic Nazis had to struggle with their actions - this led the Nazis when they were in Italy to not attempt to occupy the Vatican because it would cause too much trouble with the troops. The Nazis WERE Christians but as I said before, not all Christians were Nazis.
“Christ tells us to love our enemies” - er,,, one word, the crusades. You cannot think that because someone is a Christian and someone else is a Muslim that these ALONE are the defining facts. Each personality is a multidimensional character. Their religion is simply one aspect amongst many.
You recommend for me to learn about Islam, thanks I will, but I have to say I have read much about it, attended University in Rotterdam and specialized in Democratic reform in Islamic countries and read many, many journal articles about it. However I will continue to learn as much as I can about Islam. Just because I do not hold your views on Islam does not mean I have not studied the topic.
My recommendation to you is this: From seeing your analysis, it is rather clear that you have a very prejudice opinion of Islam, and this leads you to believe that anyone who is Islamic is somehow flawed. This is simply not the case. For example who won the 2006 Nobel Peace prize - MOHAMMAD Yunus. - Now answer me this, how could the Swedish and Norwegian council of predominately Christian board members give the greatest peace prize of modern time to a Muslim if Islam is a religion that leads all its followers to be terrorists?
Finally, Kleinverzet, I respect your opinion and I hope you see my position as a general criticism of what you state. We both clearly disagree on the ‘So-called evils’ of the Islamic religion. But let me refer to the concept of Individuality - Do not pre-judge someone because of their religion, judge the person individually for their action. Our prisons are full of very dedicated Christians who also committed terrible crimes as there are also many Islamic, Jewish, Hindi and Buddist prisoners. The action of the Individual is what counts not our interpretation of their religion.
The Nazis WERE Christians but as I said before, not all Christians were Nazis.
Well no, by your own example, the best you could do is state 'some Nazis were christian'. Coming back to judging individuals versus judging the ideology: The fact that some Nazis were, says nothing of the Nazi ideology, which in fact was anything but christian.
Do not pre-judge someone because of their religion, judge the person individually for their action
That, at least, is something we both very much agree on.
shall we just spend 13 minutes of our time on 23rd March 2008 and watch the official UK release of:
htp://www.fitnathemovie.co.uk
and see what the commotion is all about? After the film has gone live at http://www.fitnathemovie.co.uk, a forum will be opened to shares our feelings, views and beliefs in relation to this short film.
Until the 23rd, is wish you all a lot of faith in men's goodness.
13 minutes, I saw Geert Wilders in an interview where he talked about his movie - that was over 30 minutes long ?
Thanks for the info on the site and when it will be released.
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I think Klein Verzet movie should be on the net for us to contrast and compare what it is all about. The myth has to be proven: Is Islam peaceful or a nemesis to freedom? Verzet go ahead and publish it and then we will know the true color of Islam.
Where is the movie, here is a cut and paste from www.fitnathemovie.com as of 10:45 on 23rd March 2008
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It should be fairly obvious by now that there is no "Fitna" movie. No movie to insult Islam or Muslims or anyone else for that matter. The month of April is upon us, we all know the month of April starts with the 1st April and that day is famous for (practical) jokes.
Holland might not be considered as a country with a great sense of humour but ever once in awhile even in Holland they crack a joke. So, bottom line; if you are here to find the Famous Fitna movie I guess you have been had !!!
On the other hand, if you are worried about how much unrest the rumour of a 15 minute movie about Islam can create, maybe it is time to identify and deal with the issues at hand.
When points of view are miles apart, the truth can usually be found near the middle.
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Is this true?
he seems quite agoodguy in my eyesand needs to be said
Seems to me, one i haven't found anything on the movie, but i find it interesting that a hosting company has brought the website down due to the complaints they are receiving. i know this cause we have scripting to tell anyone that calls about it However, doesn't this count as censorship in a way? Just because you don't agree with something does not mean you have to shut them up. THought we were suposed to be civilized and be able to discuss our controversies and disagreements?
btw, thank you Klein Verzet for this forum post. Otherwise i would have only found parked domain names.
My my so much bitterness and vitriol towards Geert Wilders and Fitna. Now as I have not seen the film I do not know if it is hateful and false or not, but a good deal of the postings here are both.
Do we know what FITA means? Oh please. The Koran, books on Islam and the Islamic movements have been huge best sellers since 9/11/01. There are pages of information on it on the web.
"Remember that all the Nazis were Christians" Oh please again. Hitler, Himmler, Gobbles and most of the NAZI leadership were actually quite hostile to Christianity and preferred the German people to adopt the pre Christian Nordic paganism. I would have thought you would know that.
"I hope he hosts it on a US website so that someone can sue the crap out of him." Jesus Christ Superstar, GodSpell and Last Temptation of Christ have never been stopped by legal action. Does not work that way, Political & Religious Speech are pretty much protected unless there is an immediate call to violence. You can even preach "God Damn America" on TV and it is legal. Rude to be sure, but legal.
But let the arguments rage, makes for interesting conversation. If you went to school in the States and had to read Norman Mailer or Arthur Miller I don't see how anything could offend you.
But I shall see GEERT WILDERS film and see what he has to say. If you think he is hateful don't watch.
I am inviting all my fellow infidels over for a ham bake & beer when it it on. Thanks to the forum host. Would that be Klein Verzet?
Have a good night good people.
Wow, I just saw FITNA on LiveLeak. Powerful to be sure. All the scenes are from the public domain so I do not know how anyone could object.
Did Mr. Geert_Wilders lie about anything? Those of us who do not wish to be subjugated to Islam or have our heads cut off should laud Mr. Geert_Wilders. If the Muslims and their apologist resent such presentations perhaps they should stop saying those things and stop putting bombs on buses.
When the Ku Klux Klan did such things here in America it was on TV and we put many of them in jail. Yes we know not all Muslims put bombs on buses. And not all Americans belonged to the Ku Klux Klan. Grown ups should never fear the truth.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?
i=7...=7d9_1206624103
Geert Wilders, he doesn't understand at all about Islam. He put the Qur'an statement only piece by piece. If he really intelligent, so he should do the anti-islam movie with his brain no emotion. Do it in great not in coward way like this. Okey, it's his choice to be one of anti Islam but it doesn't mean he can insult another religion with emotion.
For everyone who hates Islam, use your brain.
I'm moslem. I appreciate all of religions. I also appreciate if you hate Islam, it's your choice. But c'mmon it's not the time to spread your hate emotion. It's not time to blame each of religions....
Anytime you want discuss about Islam with me, contact me on yahoo messenger as echo_scully.
I am very disappointed that the Network Solutions has taken website down. I have seen this movie and I do not find it anti-Islamic at all. It just shows what Islam IS in many third world countries now.
I have more than 15 domain name registered with network solutions and some websites hosted with them too. I am taking my business else where as I type.
echo-scully said "Geert Wilders, he doesn't understand at all about Islam"
What was he wrong about echo-scully? The planes flying into buildings, bombs on buses, calls for war and domination in the Koran? Were the speakers calling for jihad, war and domination NOT Muslim?
Are in fact the Muslims in Europe demanding privledges not offered to others? Are not the Muslims in Europe resisting local laws and insisting non Muslims obey their laws? Are not the Muslims in Europe doing Female Circumcison is violation of law?
Do the Muslims in Muslim countries offer non Muslims the rights you claim in Europe?
I do think Geert Wilders and millions of us understand Islam quite well. We fear your calls for war and domination. We will not submitt. Have a nice jihad echo_scully.
Islam: Stoneage Religion for Stoneage Mindless
The Nobel Prize list of all-time winners had only one minor science award that was (partially) won by a muslim. Jews have won dozens and dozens, in the hard sciences. I'm betting the mussies could find themselves on the receiving end of some new science you can"t find stirring camel shit in the desert. I hope the day comes soon for the cult of hate.
The cold north wind is blowing in vain
Danish an Dutch futile attacks on Islam
The North Wind was trying to demonstrate its stronger power over that of the sun by blowing so hard to make a man wearing a coat to take it off. Instead of removing his coat the man held tightly onto it. When the sun had its turn it just had to send warmth to make that man willingly take off his coat. From Aesop's fables.
With the republishing of the so called "Mohammed cartoons" most Muslim websites and newspapers now exhibit signs displaying "except Mohamed" urging visitors and readers to boycott all Danish products. This public campaign has worked to the extent of making people detest any Danish product.
Privately many Muslim leaders or Imams are gleaming with joy for the reaction that such provocative moves have caused and many of them can not remember any thing like it. They wonder whether is it a rekindled love or dormant emotions or feelings that have been awakened.
These Imams have never seen such a show of love by the masses for prophet Mohamed, and now the stage is set for the anti-Koran film which perhaps would also reignite the interest in reciting the Quran.
At the end of the day if these provocations turn out to be counter productive, should Muslims be thankful ? Certainly but not to Jyllands Posten or Geert Wilders. Instead they should be thankful to Allah who put at their disposal such an arrogant and ignorant enemy whose actions only served to strengthen their beliefs.
Denmark has chosen to embrace the role of the whipping boy to whom all angry emotions are vented and Denmark is probably taking over the USA in one area, the country which has its flag suffer most frequent flag desecration or burning. So the previously respected Danish flag is now being widely used as a floor mat.
Denmark followed by the Netherlands have chosen to be the football players who score the auto goal, or the soldiers who carry the guns that backfire.
While Muslims are not happy with such provocations and do not appreciate these actions they are certainly grateful for the result. So why shall they pray for the replacement of conveniently placed players or soldiers?
Obviously the source of these irresponsible provocations is not the cunning British or the sly French but rather they originated from the land from where the north wind blows or the land of the blond which proves that blond stupidity does have certain merits. Shakespeare was thoughtful in saying: "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark"
But why did the Danes or the Dutch choose this time? Probably it is just miscalculation on their part. They may have thought that this is the best time to defeat Islam morally as it has so far resisted all attacks militarily.
A similar situation where attacks have backfired was mentioned in the Quran in the chapter of light or "S
There are many sheople around here who just dig the trash that Geert gave them.
This is no film, and does not deserve all this attention.
Just some news clips and stolen material.
In short it is disgorged TV trash.
''Love for mohammed?" How about love for the fellow man?" Fuck islam and its lame fools. As Jesus said, if you can't love your fellow man whom you have seen, HOW CAN YOU LOVE GOD WHOM YOU HAVE NOT SEEN? Islam is evil, self-defined.
I cannot comment on the video as it has been removed from most sites. I will state that everyone has a right to free speech. For Radicals to threaten harm if it were not removed is wrong. I say leave the video posted and let the people decide on their own if it has value or not.
Just one question..
Who are bomb the legian bali?
Who are bomb the jimbaran bali ?
All peoples know, the Fuckin Al Qaeda behind that, and i believe Al Qaeda now enter the political world.
Watch out Europe ! You are on destruction...
one thing, i believe in this world still have good muslims, like here we have NU.
Fuck Amrozy the legian bomber
Fuck Imam Samudra : the legian bomber
you know man...FITNA is True
I don't see where the Fitna Movie is about all Muslim's?
watched this Documentary and I don't see where it's about all Muslim's? I see that it is about Muslim's that use the Koran to kill , slaughter and blow people up, in the name Islam. In an attempt to make you believe their right in doing so. These Muslim extremists are giving all Muslim's a bad name. Not to mention what the Cleric's are saying in their speeches towards other religions, but that's ok? They can say what they want about all other religions but don't you say anything about the Muslim religion and their use of the Koran as a tool to justify their Terrorism practices. It's about time someone put this stuff in perspective!
the film should be banned.. full stop..it's not real portrayal of islam
Comments on “Dutch movie FITNA” released by a Dutch MP.
* If you see the movie FITNA by an open mind/eyes, you clearly see, the mind/thinking working behind this is only hate of an individual against Islam.
* The film maker picked the verses of Quran out of context and tried to develop hate to Islam among innocent people of other faiths by joining the video effects/clips.
Producer tried to play with innocent hearts by joining video clips like, Twin Tower attack clips, with verses.
I AM ASKING YOU PEOPLE, SHOULD ANY MUSLIM MAKE A MOVIE LIKE THIS “FITNA” AND JOINS THE TEACHING OF “BIBLE” WITH THE PICTURES/VIDEOS OF US ATTACK ON IRAQ/AFGHANISTAN……AND TRY TO PROVE THE SAME AS IN “FITNA”? SURE…..NO. THERE IS NO ANY MUSLIM IN THIS WORLD WHO CAN THINK TO COMMENT THE PROPHET JESUS AND HIS TEACHINGS. IF ANY DOES THIS, HE IS NOT A MUSLIM AT ALL, MAY BE HIS NAME IS LIKE OF MUSLIMS.
* In this movie, thinking of Politician doesn’t mean that it is the sayings of Islam. And individuals’ act don’t mean the sayings of Islam.
Quran Says: “ONE WHO SAVES THE LIVE OF ANY INNOCENT HUMAN IS AS HE SAVES THE WHOLE HUMANITY”
We believe in “FREEDOM OF SPEECH” but with responsibility. By this kind of so called FREEDOM, actually you are hearting the millions of people. In humanity, freedom should be constructive, not for promote the hate in society/world.
More Important: MUSLIMS ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE HOLY QURAN and ALL PROPHETS INCLUDING MUHAMMAD, JESUS, DAVID, MOSIS and all others.
I personally feel, the act of Dutch MP is based on hate to Muslims. Not only for Muslims but he is also against his society and country. His Movie will work as a fire in the society of Netherlands as well as in between thousands of Muslims and Christians in the world.
May God/Allah help us to live with peace.
"I personally feel, the act of Dutch MP is based on hate to Muslims. ---May God/Allah help us to live with peace."
When we see the muslim populations around the world turn on the radicals we might believe you.
When the screaming Imans demanding death to infidels are ignored we might believe you.
When muslim populations in the West stop demanding special treatment we might believe you.
But many millions of us in the west have read the Koran. We are not impressed with talk, we want to see action. Our refusing to submit may be your definition of hate, we call it survival.
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