Please don't type in all CAPS, it's the equivalent to YELLING, let alone hard to read, thank you.
smash that Kurdo wow
Any vote not going to the kurdish allaince list (PUK+KDP et etc)in the iraqi elections is going to be a wasted vote. For any group of people to have an political effect they must form a political party following a clear political ideology. The group of indpendents which have aligned for the iraqi elections will not be a political party but rather a grouping of individuals which will sqauble over most of policies, whereas a vote for the kurdish list will be a vote towards indpendnce.
I'm pretty sure you meant Toilers, not 'Taylors'
No vote is a wasted vote, because every vote is first of all a vote against the terrorists who want to stop the elections. The percentage voting in each election is a very important figure.
"Don't let the people who only care about personal interests to rule us anymore."
Unfortunately most politicians, of whatever party, mainly care about their own interests. That is why you need checks and balances - the men who designed the US constitution knew very well what kind of person usually goes into politics.
(Of course there are a few who are genuinely devoted to the good of the citizens, but it is a minority.)
This is disappointing, Kurdo. Why voting for an unknown party. This is kind of risk and irrationality. But you are free to choose any one BTW.
The only chance the kurds have is to show a strong and united voice in the front of the arab enemy ( i do not use the term lightly, but anyone who kills 182000 of your people but cannot apologise is your enemy)
We kurds must put our differences aside and join together, Kurdish asppirations have been subject to breakaway factions and insiduous differences for to long. I for one would give all the money i possesed for a free and independent Kurdistan, The KDP and PUK may be corrupt but they are the only organised voice we kurds have...Vote for the Patriotic Democratic Kurdistan alliance
Beleive me there are wasted votes, ask any democrat who voted Nader, voting for the small and unorganised is a crime against KURDISTAN
I don't know if it's a crime to vote for the independents but it's the time for us to have a united voice against our common enemies. Voting for independents in Europe or America may make sense but in the middle east it's not a good idea. We have to learn to be organized in strong political parties and fight in one front. Gradually as the democracy in the region grows stronger, we can consider voting for independents but for this first election vote for the Patriotic democratic kurdistan alliance.
@karwan, aso and hajir. What about voting for the independents in the Kurdistan parliament and voting for the Kurdistan Alliance in the iraqi majlis?
Kurdish leaders arent holy and they can make a lot of mistakes, its only with elections where we can tell them that we dont agree with their policy.
Abdur,
Instead, you may try to improve your two well-known parties, still after this transitional phase. Having a few parties is much better than having a lot.
This place has turned into a political cafe. Who would have guessed that a year ago?
keep it up, Kurds will overcome all their enemies, if by nothing else, by their will to survive.
First of al lthis is only the FIRST vote, everyone that wants to have any say should vote, anyone who chooses not to vote basically is giving up their right to be disappointed or complain about the result.
YOu vote, see how it turns out, if it does not go your way, you work till the next election and then vote again.
Democrats had majorities in the US for years and no one thought COnservatives would gain power, now Conservatives are in power, in some years it will swimg back the other way, it works good that way, keep about half the people happy and alf the people pissed, it is called checks and balances. Great when your inpower sucks when you ain't.
It is democracy and it is by far not perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better than anything anyone else has come up with so far.
Best regards
Luke
America is powerfull because we are a free people, and little for any other reason.
We have had toxic marxists in charge and yet had our liberty survive because of our strong constitution, and the mindset behind it to value liberty over all else.
America is not a Democracy, it is a Liberal democratic Republic, that means that some things a majority might demand at the expense of the few, or the one, is beyond their authority to demand
This is the elevation of the Single person in himself Soverien of his own affairs and Rights that are his beyond the authority of the state.
Democratic politics are an untidy messy and unpredictable affair, but all the alternatives are worse.
The constitution of Iraq will hopefully be, if it survives more important that who may rule within it at any time, because a good constitution can preserve the country and all thats good despite the designs of an inept or evil temporary ruler.
Let us hope that the people of Iraq can enjoy what we ha
Let us hope that the people of Iraq can enjoy what we have.
Btw, America consists of states that rule themselves, the national government of all the states do not control everything, power is distributed. even inside a federal Iraq, why cant the kurds have their own state? their own elected governor and assembly?
Power should be kept close to the people, and central power should be restricted to defense and other external issues, and mediating interstate disputes.
I presume too much, i cant say what will work in Iraq, but the constitution those elected will draft will perhaps be more important than what comes afterwards, and decide success or failure.
Kurdo, Both Hziby Zahmatkeyshan (Toilers Party) and some of the other Independent candidates are all part of the Kurdistan Alliance. For the 3 elections that are going to happen, only one which is the provincial will allow you to vote for a party, and the election is only available to people in kurdistan i.e Sleymani, Duhok and Hawler.
"We have had toxic marxists in charge and yet had our liberty survive because of our strong constitution"
I can't think of any time when Marxists were in charge of the US. Even the UK, which had a strongly socialist party in power in the 1940s, never had Marxists in power as the Labour party was well aware of how dangerous they are.
The US constitution is very good, but is it perfect? Maybe the Iraqis can think up an even better one.
There are two obvious problems: one is combining the President and the Prime Minister into a single one-man job; the other is the excessive power of money. Another is the use of dodgy electronic voting machines which cannot be checked properly.
No matter who who anyone votes for the only important thing is that kurds vote in the Iraqi national assembly elections. this body will decide what the furutre iraq will look like so anyone whic can vote should vote.
Vote for who you want Kurdo. I think yours is a good idea...if the independents get enough votes, it might just scare the Kurdistan Alliance into being more receptive to the needs of the people.
Besides, what Kurd would sell out his country, no matter what his politics? I don't think you can lose by voting for the Independents.
Kurd should not get involved in the votes. We should have our Kurdish votes for our Kurdish leaders & for our independent Kurdish State & damn the rest. We are not a part of uncivilized muslem, arab & stinking ME people, WE ARE KURD , Nothing Else, bastards muslems.
I really do feel bad for you and the severe misconceptions you have with the upcoming election. You suggest people boycott the Kurdish option on the list and instead, vote for another option. What so you hope to chieve from that? Nothing. We will be back to square one, with little to no Kurdish representation in the government. By having more Kurdish representation, this will further our opportunity for the rest of the world to see that we mean business, and better acknowledge our progress. And then we can only continue our fight for a Kurdistan.The suggestion you have made will only lead to a country run by people who do not share the same ideals and values as the rest of the civil Kurdish population, and hinder our path even more. I think you need to change you name Kurdo, I have never seen such a sellout in my life.
I disagree with you Kurdo ,you got it wrong this time ........NOW Kurd should be a solid united speaking with one voice .......
Later on your option might be considered ,but too early .
NOW the eyes of the world pointing towards the Iraqi election and to see who is united ......so our duty and responsibility to demonstrate to them we are united and behind our leaders !
The enemy of the Kurds are waiting in the shadow for any little blunder to destroy kurds and kurdistan .
It is imperative that all kurds vote for a united kurdistan in the upcoming elections and it is just as important that government in hawler is run by the same coalition as the kurdish repersentative group in the iraqi parliamnet. If kurds elect indpendents for the hawler elections, and the kurdistani alliance for the iraqi elections it will mean that the kurdish repersentatives to baghdad lack the one thing important to democracy and the internationall community, legitimacy. Legitamacy is vital, so as the internationall community and the arabs in iraq understand that what our leaders demand in the new iraq is the will of the kurds. So please all kurds vote, vote for 130 in iraq and 162 in kurdistan. This is our last chance to make a stand agianst incorporation into a majority rule in iraq, Remember the Basques, even with democracy in spain there culture is on the verge annihalation, kurds must drive a wedge between themselves and the arabs or face culutral destruction. (PUK/KDP joint l
I AGREE WITH KURDO 100 percent...
you have nooooo idea of the current corruption going on in the Kurdish part of Iraq... it pains me to say it but the elite and powerful are taking everything from contracts to money to whatever they want and selling our people short... as some of u know i have my own blog... and i am kurdish and was going to vote for the kurds but i have heard soooo many bad stories by kurds close to the puk and kdp about the current situation they will be voting either for the list kurdo is talking about or list number 230 which is also a list that is run by Hameed Moosa who lived in Kurdistan and is pro kurdish and also has a more equal approach i think a lot of people don't understand the complexities and backwardness in the current kurdish political parties and that is not in the gain of us kurds...
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