Lenin’s Tomb
"destroy the brain instantly, utterly"
You can almost hear the old pervert smacking his lips.
It is rather salacious. I always detect a secret enjoyment when right-wingers pretending to be tough-minded and realistic describe psychotic violence.
physiologically dubious as well, I should think.
"Arse", not "ass".
Bloody hell, I'm agreeing with Justin. "Arse", not "ass", Lenin. Standards must be upheld.
In case you guys haven't noticed, I am not English. It is not uncommon to hear young males in Northern Ireland say the word 'ass' instead of 'arse', albeit 'arse' is the more traditional nomenclature for the part of the anatomy that swells out of the back of one's trousers.
I don't care, arse not ass.
Anatomy aside, The Menezes family have not even had a direct apology as yet, but Ian Blair feels very sorry for the poor holidaymaker and his family.
I note with concern the ramping up of anti-asylum seeker feeling by the Express today - btw, the 'bombers' or those accused of beiung the 'bombers' weren't asylum seekers, they had been granted leave to remain in the UK, therefore they could only be seeking asylum in another country as they had it here.
asshole
Beware groups of Asian-looking men.
They may not be what they appear.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/2...cx/
pypEllPQ8TOw
Beware groups of Asian-looking men.
They may not be what they appear.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/2...cx/
pypEllPQ8TOw
The Express today is grotesque even by its own standards.
I can barely bring myself to look at it for long enough to observe that it can't even spell sponging.
What do they call a cross between a horse and a donkey in Northern Ireland? An arse?
Express: "Bombers Are All Spongeing Asylum Seekers".
Notice, by the way, how Those Pathetically Crap Bombers have completely displaced the alleged Super-Monster Suicide Bombers who were allegedly responsible for the real deaths of more than 50 real people.
I could say "cui bono?" but I'll resist the temptation. One things's for sure, though: it certainly helps the publishers of the gutter press.
Surely the ramping up of the racist rhetoric on the part of the tabloids is the result of the fact that they are losing the argument in the minds of the public. I noticed in my paper today - Globe & Mail - that Blair is now even admitting that Iraq was a reason "used" by the bombers. His argument is now changing - it has become "we must not change a thing that we do, otherwise we give in to terrorism." Pretty substantial shift, I'd say.
Across the pond, the AFL-CIO just voted for a resolution calling for a rapid return of all US troops from Iraq - thanks to the work of US Labor Against the War.
The warmongers have used up their political capital.
"Every day is July 7 in occupied Iraq..."
Great article in the Guardian by Andew Murray:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
commen...1536779,00.html
I'm surprised Justin hasn't pointed out my failure to enumerate my points correctly.
Well, you might want to space out the different points in Things to remember.
Yeah, I'll do that tonight if I get a minute...
Yes, I saw that Daily Express headline and was absolutely stunned. It's the absolute pits, even by their standards. They are effectively stoking an 'asylum seeker' (ie foreigner) pogrom mentality.
I don't know how the journalists on that shit-rag manage to sleep at night - most of them must be reasonably intelligent and must be aware of what they are doing.
The editors of the Daily Express should be held personally responsible for any race killings or beatings that occur in the next few days.
For what it's worth, Ed, the NUJ chapel at the Express passed a motion repudiating the paper's racist editorial line a coupla years back.
In answer to the first question posed by Lenin, you don't thinkit could be Meaders who doesn't work where we thought he did per chance?
"Friday, July 22, 2005
I'm on holiday until 30 July. Not much posting here before then."
I think we should be told.
I'm off on my holidays now. Back in a week.
Has everyone read Jonathan Freedland's cretinous Zionist denunciation of Livingstone in today's Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
Column...1536891,00.html
Your verdicts please?
Freedland's article is cringingly stupid and circular. I don't know Qaradawi but ultimately what his article is about is using a stick against the rest of the left and Muslims at a time when the UK state is shooting people in the streets that are brown. Shame on him.
Bat
This may be a naive question - OK there is the wage labour compulsion to work and all that - but why do these anti-racist journalists continue to work for that shit-wipe?
I think it's very...interesting that one of the best pieces I've come across in the wake of the murder of de Menezes has been published in The New American, which, for those who don't know, is the official journal of the far-right John Birch Society. Read it for yourself and see if you disagree.
"Loving Big Brother" -- William Norman Grigg
The author even approvingly quotes from Canadian socialist scholar Michel Chossudovsky, albeit without giving any indication of Chossudovsky's social or political beliefs. Interesting times we're living in.
I think it's very...interesting that one of the best pieces I've come across in the wake of the murder of de Menezes has been published in The New American, which, for those who don't know, is the official journal of the far-right John Birch Society. Read it for yourself and see if you disagree.
"Loving Big Brother" -- William Norman Grigg
The author even approvingly quotes from Canadian socialist scholar Michel Chossudovsky, albeit without giving any indication of Chossudovsky's social or political beliefs. Interesting times we're living in.
I previewed the post once and then clicked on the "publish" key once -- and yet here's a double post.
Fuckin' weird.
We need to be torturing this would-be suicide bomber caught today to get him to tell us where the rest of the terrorists are. This is the classic ticking bomb scenario where we can all agree torture should be used. For all we know this wider gang of terrorists may be planning to finish this series of attacks with a 9/11 style spectacular. It is the states moral duty to use every conceivable use of torture to stop them, and if they are not doing this right now, they are letting everyone of us down badly.
No, I think we should torture YOU, George.
Be round in a minute.
better still... let them systematically torture every british resident for three months in solitary confinement without trial. bound to collect a lot of useful info that way.
I've got some red hot pokers, if ya need to borrow 'em.
who will torture the torturers?
When I first lit upon that vile Express front page I genuinely thought it was a photoshopped parody. It is a parody isn't it?
I'm pleased to see Justin is holding firm on the arse issue as well. Ahem.
When I first lit upon that vile Express front page I genuinely thought it was a photoshopped parody.
So did I. But it is not.
who will torture the torturers?
Quis indeed?
Lisa: 'But Dad, if youre the Police, who'll Police the Police?'
Homer: 'I dunno. Coastguard?'
Remember, according to lenny and his SWP buddies, the cops are merely "workers in uniform" - hence their support for police strikes.
Being in the SWP in Britain must be like being the top gunfighter in an Old West town. Not only the bandits, but every punk kid who wants to make a name for herself, are calling you out all the time.
I remember the last time the IBT tried to call me out as a pro-State reformist. I simply said "So how are things in the Ukraine, guys?" Then they slunk away.
"What do they call a cross between a horse and a donkey in Northern Ireland?" (warszawa)
I think you'll find they spell that m.u.l.e.
Why not simply explain the SWP's line on the police and support for police "strikes"? That in itself will answer the question of whether or not you have a reformist view of the state.
read what the nutjobs make of 'our ken': http://www.freerepublic.com/focu...s/1443435/
posts
Feargal, you're right: an ass is a donkey, except in Northern Ireland, where it is an arse, allegedly.
Did You Know? Mules, like arses, are not necessarily sterile:
"Morocco's miracle mule"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/t...ech/
2290491.stm
"Why not simply explain the SWP's line on the police and support for police "strikes"? That in itself will answer the question of whether or not you have a reformist view of the state."
Wow, if you say all that backwards, it sounds like:
"If only you would explain why the SWP invited Atzmon to Marxism 2005, we would stop bothering you".
"Why is a murder suspect being sent on holiday"
I suspect if you call a police officer who shot under those circumstances a murder suspect you say good-bye to your case.
This is why I oppose so much to the ideology of the left. It's verbose and it leads nowhere and the worse thing is that it distracts attention from the interest of the citizens, where it should be.
When you create two poles by using such emotional terms you end up nowhere and you let the Police State continue its work in the name of safetly for civilians.
But he is a murder suspect. There's an investigation going on into the death of a young Brazilian. The chief suspect is a armed cop.
"It's verbose and it leads nowhere and the worse thing is that it distracts attention from the interest of the citizens, where it should be."
A lot of the Left's musings may well be verbose (Christ, I've tried to read Fredric Jameson) but the rest of your sentence here doesn't mean very much.
"Wow, if you say all that backwards, it sounds like: etc. etc."
As usual... whatever it takes to avoid answering the question.
Oh dear, the second you say the dreaded "Atzmon" trigger word, lenin will ne'er be seen. His slience shows what sort of an "anti-racist" party the SWP are and how much its acolytes care about "anti-racism", which is of course obvious from their inviting of a racist to its annual hatefest.
And if I may add why did the SWP not call for the troops out in July 1968 in Belfast eh!!!!!!!!
yeah. and they took John Wayne's side against Jesus cos he was a Jew. i have a copy of SW from then proving it (but I won't show it to anyone)
And they didn't stop Celtic losing 5-0 tonight in Bratislava. I'll never forgive the SWP for that.
Warszawa, you just had to feckin bring that up just as I was getting over it.
There are some subjects that are just to tragic to mention and that is one of them.
*sob*
5-0 by the beggars tonight - Rangers have already won the title don't you think sonic?
The forces of light will always triumph in the end over the forces of darkness and reaction Keanu.
Oh so you agree it's Rangers all the way then?
Who cares about Celticandrangers, what prospects for the Shire this season?
And if I may add why did the SWP not call for the troops out in July 1968
Becuase they didn't go in until 1969?
It's not often that I agree with the Daily Mail - but there is always a first time for everything:
Humiliation for Celtic
21:32pm 27th July 2005
Gordon Strachan made a disastrous start as Celtic manager after watching his new-look side slump to a humiliating 5-0 Champions League qualifying defeat to Artmedia Bratislava.
It was arguably the worst European night in Celtic's history in the Tehelne Polie Stadium.
Oh isn't our host lenny from N. Ireland; what's his position on the piss poor beggars?
Typical SW excuses Justin, to lead is to forsee!
On a more encouraging note, the family of Jean Charles de Menezes are demanding an open investigation - and that everyone be allowed to see CCTV footage of his killing:
http://www.lse.co.uk/
ShowStory.a...and_to_see_cctv
- "Mr Pereira called for an open investigation into the killing of his cousin.
"They have to answer why they let a guy they suspected of terrorism takes a bus, and why they waited for a busy place, a crowded place, before they shot him. They shouldn't hide anything.
"They have to show everyone, not only me but everyone, what they did.""
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Outrageously, the BBC's online report on the family's press conference doesn't even fucking mention these admirable and eminently sensible demands:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/47.../uk/
4722861.stm
"Why not simply explain the SWP's line on the police and support for police "strikes"? That in itself will answer the question of whether or not you have a reformist view of the state."
Red Cloud:
Surely this is the best possible strategy for anyone seeking to undermine the police as an institution. For the police to strike is for an instrument of the state to persue an agenda at odds with that of the state.
Divide and conquer, innit?
Just hoying bricks at them just reinforces their aberant behaviours and distracts them from their own striving towards liberty from exploitation.
See?
Have I missed something? What has Shaun Wright Phillips got to do with anything?
Excellent article by the way.
Who are Artmedia anyway? It's like losing 5-0 to the ICA.
No, it's like losing 5-0 to Lady Antonia Fraser. Now shut up about it.
so warszawa I take it you are a beggar?
I beg your pardon?
Hoops! I did it again.
I smell Hun....
Oh don't play dumb warszawa my old chap!
Maybe it was just an accident? If the powers that be (Blair, et al - PTB) were really a cesspool of oppressive conspiracy - as most of the commentators here believe - there would not exist the largesse that we enjoy to sit around and mull it over. If the PTB really were set on getting all perceived miscreats (their perceptions, that is) wouldn't they just do so? What is holding them back? But the way all of you talk there is nothig holding them back...yet...
Only those with no taste of totalinarianism could frolic in imagined oppression the way you do here. But when that heavy state oppression comes it is a dark and heavy thing - not hospitable to the kind of joyous self-righteousness I perceive here. When the machine guns come out and the lines form - some of you may be holding the machine guns, others may be in line. But sitting around bullshitting about oppression -while living in the vat of full freedom as we do now - it is hard to say who is who. Cheers.
I smell Hun....
Your reasons for so saying?
Sonic didn't you know that lenin's tomb is Rangers/Masonic conspiracy?
Can't be Hun, it's far to literate for your stupid lot.
Das: "But when that heavy state oppression comes it is a dark and heavy thing - not hospitable to the kind of joyous self-righteousness I perceive here. When the machine guns come out and the lines form..."
The heavy thing is a heavy thing, and inhospitable to boot. Well, this is really, like, poetic, but I personally do not live in a "vat of full freedom", or any other kind of a vat. So speak for yourself please, Das.
it's far to literate for your stupid lot.
Arf.
Other than that, what are you on about?
Is this the same SWP Chelsea bought for £21 million last week?
warszawa
we all know you do not live in a vat. You live on the streets 'cause you are a beggar - obviously.
No I don't have any spare change for booze, a beggar's strip/season ticket, or for any new players at the piggery. Before you ask ya cheeky cunt.
oh and the same goes to you sonic 8)
Thats all right Currant, enjoy your season ticket to Mordor with all the other Orcs.
(Justin this is just friendly West of Scotland Banter)
Rangers supporters are such wonderfully stimulating company.
"Outrageously, the BBC's online report on the family's press conference doesn't even fucking mention these admirable and eminently sensible demands"
That almost doesn't need to be stated these days. Sigh.
BTW, check out Das's blog. I thought I was illiterate...
Well I'm a Dons fan I thought tonight was the funniest thing I have seen in a long time ya ken?
I did check it out. But I checked back out again immediately. I felt as if I was trapped in a vat full of heavy, heavy things.
Red Aberdonian, if you are a Dons fan, you must be inured to humiliation. Still, there's some bracing sea air up your way and plenty of fine granite buildings to look at.
From Das's blog
"Problem is mass slaughter is not the opening gambit to dialogue.
Nothing in the universe can compel me to understand rage that
requires the death of innocent men women and children; I would be a
monster, not a human being, to identify with such an understanding."
Must be a Hun
Oh goodness Das has a novel coming out
"Blue Guitar Press
Blue Guitar International Press is a Seattle-based publisher of novels, essays, short stories and poetry. We are thrilled to announce the imminent parturition of Das Andersson's "The Transformations, a tale of modern sin".
Has the world gone mad?
Read it here booklovers!
http://web3.foxinternet.net/honi...nif/
donkey.html
sonic - typical yahoo or what.
warszawa beggar. Now everyone knows you are a yahoo it explains your lust and enthusiasm for weird paranoid conspiracy theories doesn't it?
Was Gordon and his band of piss poor celts 'got to' tonight by the masons?
Ah, leave the guy alone. I'm sorry I started this now. No point in ganging up on him for one thoughtless post.
Don't worry lads Rangers can save the face of Scottish football.
I'm not ganging up on him mate, I'm publicising his work.
It takes a special kind of guy to come up with the idea of a man changing into a Donkey after overdosing on penis enlargement cream.
A novel every Rangers fan can identify with.
;)
My previous post was addressed to sonic and about Das.
Bazza - see sense. Another bottle of Buckfast will not improve your employment prospects.
Ainsley Harriot (secret beggar):
Look at him, the self-absorbed pissface has obviously failed to realise that at his age it’s wrong for ur mother to dress you. In fact, I've met 3 year olds with better fashion sense, AND they've grown out of naming inanimate objects like 'sammy' salt and 'percy' pepper. It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't laugh at all his own jokes and insist on grinning like a vagina with a speculum inserted and opened at every opportunity. Kill the fucker, bash his head in with a stone, no really, because like a wasp, he serves NO purpose on this earth except to suck up oxygen and spout mindless shit.
So a wee bit like Warszawa, the beggars and wee Gordon Strachan in some respects: well in the producing a lot o’ shite.
http://img37.exs.cx/img37/3996/ugly9.jpg
You have a fascinating mind, Bazza.
sonic, nice to see ya ma has seen the light!
Oh a "yer ma" joke, Orc humour at it's highest level.
George Galloway (a not so secret beggar):
You are a conceited, immoral, stealing the food from the mouths of the needy, asshole of a man. I hope you lose your penis in an unfortunate accident involving an oil well, an AK47 and that fucking ridiculous hat you insist on wearing. I spit on your balls you sleazebag of shite. Still he could organize a defence probably a wee bit better that Gordon don’t you agree lads?
Glad you got that off your chest nrallah, I also know of some good products to wipe the spittle from your monitor if you are interested.
See? I love the lightness and play here; it is full of darlings who have been suckled on nothing but freedom.
However, we're ain't without models of police states in which guys in uniform delight in blasting away at running young men - the old East Germany comes to mind - but East Germany we isn't. But if you think we are then make your case and easy, you know, does it, on the frolicsome adolescent banter - let's get dark and heavy now. Cheers.
Hi Das, Loved the book. Tell me where did you get the inspiration for the main character, you know the sad lonely guy who spends his life wanking off in front of porn?
Cue lightbulb - nrallah is Bazza! And I bet he's George of the torture fantasies too.
"asshole ... I hope you lose your penis ... I spit on your balls you sleazebag of shite"
As the psychiatrist said in Fawlty Towers: "There's enough material there for a whole conference."
Meanwhile back to the point.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
uk_new...1537457,00.html
Jean Charles de Menezes, the Brazilian shot dead in the head, was not wearing a heavy jacket that might have concealed a bomb, and did not jump the ticket barrier when challenged by armed plainclothes police, his cousin said yesterday.
Speaking at a press conference after a meeting with the Metropolitan police, Vivien Figueiredo, 22, said that the first reports of how her 27-year-old cousin had come to be killed in mistake for a suicide bomber on Friday at Stockwell tube station were wrong.
"He used a travel card," she said. "He had no bulky jacket, he was wearing a jeans jacket.
The guy who runs the Brazilian café he visited regularly also says he always wore the same Levi's jeans jacket.
SHOW THE CCTV FOOTAGE! (And the same applies to the July 7th "suicide bombers" [sic], of whom we have seen precisely nothing, except for The Luton Snapshot.)
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oh what a night!
nrallah, you have a fascinating mind.
I do believe the CCTV cameras from Stockwell station will be revealed to have broken down on the day Mr. Menezes died. Either that, or someone will have forgotten to switch them on, as in the case of the Incredibly Crap Bus Bomber of July 7th.
Terribly unfortunate. But still, nobody's perfect, eh?
nrallah: "Oh dear, the second you say the dreaded "Atzmon" trigger word, lenin will ne'er be seen. His slience shows what sort of an "anti-racist" party the SWP are and how much its acolytes care about "anti-racism", which is of course obvious from their inviting of a racist to its annual hatefest."
"Hatefest", how cute. Prediction -- if Irshad Manji is invited to give a speech somewhere at the behest of, oh, let's say, the Alliance for Workers Liberty, "nrallah", being the honourable, vigilant, and above all consistent, "anti-racist" that he is will personally organize a protest outside the event. In fact, I know this will happen, since a snowstorm is expected to descend on the pits of Gehenna sometime next year.
warszawa: "Cue lightbulb - nrallah is Bazza! And I bet he's George of the torture fantasies too."
You may be right. The similarities in style are certainly noticeable. Three arseholes all rolled into one. Whod've thunk it?
" "asshole ... I hope you lose your penis ... I spit on your balls you sleazebag of shite"
"As the psychiatrist said in Fawlty Towers: "There's enough material there for a whole conference."
About this, you're definitely right. The boy's definitely in need of some time on the couch, followed by a good dose of Thorazine. Or at least a Swiffer wipe to clean off the spittle from his monitor. Repressed homosexuality is never good for one's mental or physical well-being, our current crop of "leaders" being ample proof.
Meanwhile, a little bit of good news today. All that media power, all of the constant anti-Muslim hate propaganda... all of it for naught. Too bad, so sad.
If we were really living in an oppressive neo-con empire or imperium as you maintain then we wouldn't be having so much fun writing and mewling on about it. Enough wiht the ersatz croc-concern about Menezes - his death was a mistake and insofar as he is of interest to you it is only as a poor dead kid - if you cared about life, the living you would not sympathize with murderers who have scoured all humanity from their souls and thnk nothing of murdering innocent working men and women on trains. Adios.
Das you did not answer my question about where you inspiration came from for you wanker turns into donkey masterpiece!
Off topic but have you seen the Snappy New Name for our leader's glorious Crusade?
http://sonicsplace.blogspot.com/
When I read his posts I imagine Das wearing a black beret and a Salvador Dali moustache - come to think of it, with those Jesus eyes of Dali's as well - typing with a cigarette in a holder dangling from his mouth. In his mind he says over and over: "such a poet am I, to bring light to these harlots and philistines suckled at the tit of freedom they don't realize how good they have it."
If only he would have a chat with another human being he would realize that he's just a very banal whackjob.
Canadien, after reading the first chapter of his "novel" I doubt very much if he can think in such well constructed sentences.
You read the first chapter of his novel?!?!?! Must be a bad tv night.
I'm at work mate, anything beats that.
Go on, it's a modern classic!
http://web3.foxinternet.net/honi...nif/ donkey.html
Off to the pub.
Being somewhat knowledgeable in the police shooting biz, I am astonished at the precision. In the U.S., even sharpshooters are trained to go for the body shots because head shots are just too damn easy to miss, particularly on a moving target. Hell, I knew one officer who put two in the spine and one in the fence at chest level and considered him one of the better marksmen I'd ever met. It takes a real squirrel hunter or assassin to blow someone's head off, repeatedly.
Of course when the unarmed suspect is pinned to the floor, immobile and less then three feet away, it becomes much easier.
X - They were crouched on top of the guy at the time.
Others - How the fuck did my blog become the site for a football debate and some weirdos calling everyone beggars? What the fuck?
sonic - ouch! Self publishing at its finest. I think I espy an unfortunate modernization of The Golden Ass.
Madame X, anyone who has their head blown off repeatedly must be second cousin to a gecko. I could only manage to do that once.
However, if you hold the muzzle really close to the head and the target is not moving, yes, it is possible to be so accurate.
Actually, I believe that there should be a profound judicial investigation into why the gunman managed to shoot the bloody foreigner in the shoulder.
Maybe it was a foreign gun! Those cursed German Heckler&Koch's! Krauts are all pacifist pansies -- no wonder we are losing the War on Terror!
No, confound it, I mean we are winning the War on Terror, only with what I gather is now to be called deferred success!
Perhaps I should have another cup of coffee and put slightly less Chinese whisky in the next one.
According to the curmudgeon the British Police are the Best in the world. So we can safely say they won the shoot the innocent man 7 times in the head award. Allthough other police forces are of course not far away in this always tougher getting competition.
George Galloway (a not so secret beggar):
You are a conceited, immoral, stealing the food from the mouths of the needy, asshole of a man. I hope you lose your penis in an unfortunate accident involving an oil well, an AK47 and that fucking ridiculous hat you insist on wearing. I spit on your balls you sleazebag of shite. Still he could organize a defence probably a wee bit better that Gordon don’t you agree lads?
nrallah | 07.28.05 - 1:02 am | #
Sorry to burst peoples bubbles, but that post was not by me, my name is nrallah and I do NOT endorse the above message at 1:02am. Dearie me, I mist have really pissed someone off! Come on, its only a blog!
warszawa: an arse by any other name would smell the same...
I`d like to make a couple of observations.
Some people seem to be blaming the police for changing their story. It seems not to be the police that are changing the story as new facts come to light but the media. To blame the police for media hype and hysteria seems to be blaming the police for something they've no control over.
It is also being suggested that the Police and Government are following Israel in this.
Again this doesn’t seem to be the case. However it is the case that currently Israeli police and security forces have had the most recent and practical experience of dealing with potential suicide bombers therefore to listen to their advice is the responsible thing to do.
And before anyone gets any ideas about "collective punishment", this is the furthest from what is happening at official levels as it is possible to imagine. From every announcement, from every interview with every government and police official they have all worked hard to emphasis that the problem is not Muslims but extremists. What the government has been keen to emphasis along with many Muslin leaders is that the Muslim community is in a unique position to help identify potential problems.
The only way to deny that the Muslim community is in such a position is to deny the reality of the situation e.g. it is the Muslim community that goes to Mosques, it is the Muslim community that listens to extremist “Islamic” preachers and so on.
There is no evidence for assertions such as paranoia or racism are being engendered by the Police or the Government.
What I would rather they do is look at the facts and make decisions based on those facts and not on any pre-formed ideology. What would be terrible would be for people to avoid talking about facts and the problems we do face in case it offends someone’s sensitivity.
MFB: "Also, Red Cloud, whatever his sexual proclivities, has a point. There's a case for saying that one should endorse the state's lawlessness in order to reveal to the public the violence upon which the bourgeois state's legitimacy ultimately rests."
There is no case for "endorsing" racist murder or other crimes of the state... under any circumstances.
MFB: "But here's a bunch of ultra-left Marxoids denouncing the wickedness of the armed might of the State,"
Wrong. lenny and his pals are not Marxists, but SWP church-ladies who decry the 'wickedness' of this or that police action precisely because, like reformists, their normal business is promoting the view that "OUR government is there to protect US." (as lenny so aptly put it).
For Marxists, police atrocities sweep aside exactly this kind of business-as-usual 'democratic' shell-game to expose before millions of people the essence of the bourgeois state.
MFB: "while the bourgeois conservatives are all goose-stepping around fantasising about shooting people in the head, as if none of this could ever be used against them."
NO. Not only bourgeois conservatives, but all kinds of 'leftists' and other righteous defenders of 'OUR democratic society.' (This is what has lenny and the other SWP schoolmasters and marms so agitated, -- and why they refuse to address the simple question of the class nature of the police.)
School Masters AND Marms?
Political Correctness gone MAD.
"Bombers Are All Spongeing Asylum Seekers".
So perhaps we ought to be grateful everyone else on the social security benefits/incapacty benefit / Jobseeker's Allowance isn't making bombs...
Commenting by HaloScan
