We had something like this happen in Houston, at our listener-sponsored, progressive Pacifica radio station, KPFT. They made the horrific mistake of allowing a one-shot "Jewish Voices" program, which was actually The Monolithic Voice of Zionism, with the Israeli Consul on the panel, yet.
They behaved disgracefully, with the panel playing rope-a-dope with the callers--alternately ridiculing, patronizing and hanging up on them in a gross violation of station policy.

The producer of the following program was so upset by this propaganda-fest that he began his program with a brief rant against Israel. Since they couldn't get him for this, the Zionist panel claimed that he had said, "You Jew," to one of them. The drumbeat of attacks was so severe that the guy had to sever all links with the station because they had adopted an appeasement policy and refused to stand up with him against his accusers.

So after this was done and the Zionists had managed to kick the offending programmer off the air, in effect, the producer of "Jewish Voices" admitted in a publication that the pariah MAY NOT have actually made the offending remark. What chutzpah! Now all along their victim had been insisting that he'd never uttered the slur, but no one would listen to the witnesses who backed him up, because they were "biased."
Montag | 02.23.05 - 10:24 pm | #

And Michael Rosen is also NOT a member of the SWP (sorry David Aaronovitch).
AJP. | 02.24.05 - 2:16 pm | #

I know, the JC had to retract on that one just recently...and dont call me David Aaronovitch
Mark Elf | Homepage | 02.24.05 - 3:18 pm | #

Golly, gosh, they're clever little devils those Zionists! Not only did they "manipulate" the pain of holocaust survivors, but also "..*mobilised* the Board of Deputies, the Holocaust "Education" Trust, the Chief Rabbi, Lord Janner, the Prime Minister (that's Blair, not Sharon, not yet anyway), other Labour and Tory MPs and MLAs,.."

One can only stand amazed and ask: 'How do they do that?' Well, you won't find out from Levi9909 who offers up not a shred of evidence for his accusations which leave a reader with the inference that none of those people, Auschwitz survivors to prime ministers, is capable of thinking for themselves.

Are we, I wonder, being "manipulated" by Levi9909? I don't know, but I think we should be told!
David Duff | Homepage | 02.24.05 - 8:04 pm | #

If you are suggesting that all of the various players in this acted spontaneously perhaps you could explain why none of them reacted adversely to Princess Michael of Kent's anti-semitism in the Standard on 17/2/2005 - http://jewssansfrontieres.blogsp...when-or- if.html
or to the Jewish Chronicle publishing a letter denouncing Profs Hilary and Stephen Rose as "kapos". This was/is a campaign against Ken Livingstone and it is extremely doubtful that elderly holocaust survivors spontaneously volunteered their way into this unless they are very highly, and selectively, politically motivated. Of course none of this is to say that the various players in this do not have minds of their own. Being mobilised does not mean not having a mind of ones own; except, that is, for the organisations involved. The HET and the BoD make collective decisions apparently.
Mark Elf | Homepage | 02.24.05 - 9:36 pm | #

So exactly who are these "manipulators"? Name some names, and tell us how they set about doing their manipulating? I mean, did they go round and soft talk the elderly lady from Auschwitz I saw on my TV? One thing's for sure, she was very definitely "..highly, and selectively, politically motivated." Some-one gassed her entire family, so she's entitled, don't you think?

And did they pick up the old 'dog and bone', ring No. 10 and say, "Hey, Tone, we need a bit of help on this Livingstone thing." I mean, Levi made the accusation, so all I'm asking for is the details, the whys and wherefors.

Anyway, all these generalisations without any facts, accusing Jews of 'manipulating' and 'mobilising' the nations leaders in secret, reminds me of something in the past ... somewhere ... no don't tell me, it'll come to me in a minute!
David Duff | Homepage | 02.24.05 - 10:50 pm | #

There are other examples Ken could have come up with from the JC. The same issue that ran Melanie Phillips' recent celebration of the US neo-cons included a readers letter which referred in disparaging terms to "Guardianazis." So it's OK for the JC to print a letter which suggests some moral equivlence between readers of a certain daily newspaper and the architects of the final solution.
AJP. | 02.24.05 - 11:32 pm | #

Blair's just adopting his natural pose - crawling around in front of the right, whimpering if necessary. (When I say "the right", I mean "the right": the editorial board of the Evening Standard and the Tory group on the GLA most particularly.) No hints or phone-calls are needed.
Meaders | Homepage | 02.25.05 - 10:39 am | #

Thanks Meaders. Duff, read the posts you comment on. I did name some names - Board of Deputies, Holocaust Education Trust and a ragbag of Zionist individuals. You seem to be suggesting that holocaust survivors have a metaphysical propensity to spring into action whenever the holocaust is invoked inappropriately. I know you aim to undermine anti-Zionism but you have come dangerously close to an anti-semitic notion yourself; albeit because you tied yourself in knots by being a smartarse.
Mark Elf | Homepage | 02.25.05 - 11:03 am | #

Mark, I hadn't realised that levi9909 was actually you. I can only suggest that you re-read you own words in which you state quite clearly that "Zionists" (un-named) "mobilised" the following organisations and individuals: "..the Board of Deputies, the Holocaust "Education" Trust, the Chief Rabbi, Lord Janner, the Prime Minister (that's Blair, not Sharon, not yet anyway), other Labour and Tory MPs and MLAs,..) The inference is clear, that these groups and people were, so to speak, 'got at' by these mysterious "Zionists". It is your choice of grammar, and I can't be blamed for reading it as it is written. Nor can I be blamed if it reminds me of similar campaigns in the past in which Jews have been accused of sundry secret and nefarious activities. I don't think holocaust survivors need a "metaphysical propensity" to answer reasonable questions put to them by journalists, but if you think they were somehow prodded into it, then tell us who did the proddding?
David Duff | Homepage | 02.25.05 - 2:18 pm | #

You're right, my grammar's appalling but in a sucession of posts I have made it clear that the people I listed were the Zionists I was referring to, but please don't pretend to have innocently misundertsood my meaning.
Mark Elf | Homepage | 02.25.05 - 4:03 pm | #

David if you don’t mind me saying so, you almost seem to be itching for fight. First of all you say the Zionist "..*mobilised* the Board of Deputies, the Holocaust "Education" Trust, the Chief Rabbi, Lord Janner, the Prime Minister. These organisations and individuals already are Zionists. It does not make sense to say that they were manipulated by Zionists because they already are Zionists. Blair may be a moderate Zionist and does not put much priority on this issue, but he is still a Zionist. I think that the Board of Deputies, the Trust, the Chief Rabbi and Lord Janner do not need to be manipulated. They already would be more than happy to attack Ken. There is obviously likely to have been co-ordination among parts of the Jewish community and Zionists in how to respond to the situation (do you think there isn’t?).. I would expect this from any ethnic group or political organisation – this sort of co-ordination is not in itself a bad thing. It only takes a few phone calls - but obviously I was not around when the phone calls were made so cannot produce “evidence” of this. Holocaust Survivors are likely to attract sympathy so it is quite likely that the person was spoken to before they appeared on TV. The government used a nurse on newsnight on Wednesday to talk about bugs in hospitals. This is unlikely to have aroused the same hostility as someone from the Department of Health.
I don’t know if you are comparing Mark’s comments to the Nazis in your last comment – “Nor can I be blamed if it reminds me of similar campaigns in the past in which Jews have been accused of sundry secret and nefarious activities.” If you are this it tiresome and immoral. I think its best not to say any more on that issue.
patrick | 02.25.05 - 4:13 pm | #

Patrick,
Please read my comment one above, and then go and read the original post. My interpretation of it is entirely understandable, and it's not my fault if Marks syntax is misleading.
David Duff | Homepage | 02.25.05 - 5:26 pm | #

Now you are being deliberately dishonest. My syntax maybe poor, so poor that I don't actually know what syntax means, but you simply want to accuse me of anti-semitism. I think one of your posts even accused me of being manipulative which breaks your own Judeo-centric rule - don't accuse any Jews of being manipulative. Anyway, I've indulged you enough.
Mark Elf | Homepage | 02.25.05 - 6:36 pm | #