1. I'm not Atzmon - ehrlich nicht - but I can assure you, that Atzmon
has a XXXL-ego. If he would write here - he would use his own name -
in upper case letters.
2. Atzmon has jewish members in his band - 'Yocheved' is correct here -
and I don't believe, that he is not aware of that - although I don't
know what they think about his views.
3. To me it seems, that you're a little bit obsessed with him - sorry
- may be, because you are 'closer' to him than you would like to admit.
Mit freundlichen Grüssen aus Teutonia
Also, his collosal ego would lead him to reply to my email ordinarily but he hasn't done so.
Yochaved is Atzmon and I stand by what I said, he is a racist, a liar and hypocrite. He has threatened to sue over this sort of thing before and now he has used the name Yocheved to threaten to sue, so let him sue me.
angie, you ask for evidence, you know atzmon call him up and ask directly
To be honest that particular aspect of Shakespeare has always eluded me. I know there's such things as conventions, but for instance, when in The Merchant Of Venice I'm invited to believe that these two chaps wouldn't recognise their own wives because they were dressed in men's clothing, I tend to lose interest and wait for the soliloquies.
where?
I see once again you are writing about me, and now accusing me of being a woman. For your information Yocheved is indeed a woman but not myself. She is my wife who has every right to express herself almost as much as you enjoy your right to deliberately delete her thoughts.
Re Afif: i really do not have a clue who Afif is,
It could be anybody, could it be you?
If you're going to call someone anti-Semite who explains the mechanics of how Zionism works - that blind support for Israel takes place in the media and the lobbies - I guess I'm an anti-Semite too. I live in the United States, and I'm sure I know the politics in my own country. Zionists have complete control over my government. That's not even news, so I wouldn't even bother to prove it to you.
I think what you've written about Atzmon is very near libel or slander or whatever applies to printing of voices on the Internets(tm).
Your wife (according to you) said that you could sue for being called racist. "She's" right of course. You could sue but you would lose which is why you don't sue.
I must say that in spite of the fact you are a complete buffoon I'm surprised it took you so long to come up with a response to my post.
Gilad Atzmon - liar, racist, buffoon. Now go see your lawyer, but you'd better see your accountant first.
Atzmon first came out as antisemitic when some friends of mine condemned Israel Shamir over his antisemitism. It had nothing to do with the zionist stance of governments and the media but to do with his support for overt nazis and klansmen. Atzmon followed up by supporting Paul Eisen's support for the neo-nazi and holocaust denier Ernst Zundel.
Frankly, the main thing to be said about Atzmon is that he is an attention seeker which I am guessing is why he had to embrace antisemitism. Contrary to what the zionists are always saying there's not much of it about so Atzmon has to be different. Former Israeli war criminal, Atzmon, is now an antisemite is a bit like a man bites dog story.
Anyway, see my comment above this. Atzmon's "wife" presumably knows him. "She" says he will sue people for calling him a racist. I'm calling him a racist. He won't sue or if he does he'll lose and he knows it. He'd lose if he sued me for calling him a liar too. Perhaps he could sue me for calling him a buffoon but if he sued me for calling him a buffoon he would be proving that he is a buffoon beyond any reasonable doubt!
Anyway I must do a post on how Atzmon's "wife" doesn't know him at all since she thinks he will sue people for stating what is obvious about him, that he is a liar and a racist.
Bye now.
Anyway, it seems Yocheved was a woman all along, but as Mark says, she was only a mask really for Gilad....so it is still rather Shakespearean....
Deborah
I don't know either of you well enough to take a stand, but your blog is always a good place for information so that is always useful. I'm going recycle the same grain of salt I used when the anti-Semite canard is tossed at you.
I've only read a couple of things - Gilads interviews mainly. So far I am happily ignorant of the basis of your charges. But I will be on the look out. Thanks for the heads up maybe.
As for the charge of seeking attention, that seems to a little weak. We could say that about anyone in the public eye. That's not proof of racism.
Thanks for all your work, Mark.
He has also lied about how any dispute between him and the above named arose.
Again I say he is a lying racist. If you have been genuinely fooled by him then I would say that is all the more reason why instead of covering for him the likes of the SWP should expose him.
And like you and me, he is a Jewish, anti-Zionist.
although i don't know what Atzmon has written about Zundel, I know that I think that the laws against holocaust denial are incredibly dangerous, and will one day be used against progressive dissent. For that reason, i am opposed to the legal harassment of holocaust deniers, despite the fact that I think they are incorrect and mostly racist.
Israel Shamir is anti-Judaism, and i don't have a problem with that either. Although I was raised in a Jewish home, bar mitzvah'd etc, I am an atheist, and I support all kinds of intense criticisms of Judaism.
I am a Marxist, and Marx's On The Jewish Question was a massive rip on both the culture and religious beliefs of Judaism, from the standpoint of saying that only socialism will bring the emancipation of the Jew.
Marx was not an anti-Semite.
If you want to persuade me that Atzmon is a bad apple, you're going to have to do a lot better than you have done thus far.
Beyond that I think you are being unnecessarily divisive amongst the small group of us who are of Jewish origin but anti-Zionist.
I stand by what I said. Gilad Atzmon is a liar, a racist and a buffoon. Either he or his wife has said that he will sue for being called racist. So where's his writ? Many people have called him a racist now. He doesn't have to sue them all. He could sue me but he is such a liar and so obviously racist he would lose.
Now I said "end of chat." Is that understood? What a bunch!
Hi Mark,
I really don't mean to be argumentative, since I haven't really read enough of his statements to take a definitive position on whether Atzmon is, indeed, a racist.
But just to give my explanation on the matter, I think that part of the sympathy for Atzmon has to come from people who, like me, are so used to being falsely accused of anti-Semitism (because of their anti-Zionism), that they naturally feel a certain amount of empathy for those in the same boat.
I am not saying that Atzmon isn't an anti-Semite, but just trying to explain why so many of your readers have a natural tendency to be sceptical when they here the charge.
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You weren't thinking of Much Ado?
if they were any real anti-Jewish racism I would be the first to stand up and defend Jewish folk, come hell or high water!
Not having read a great deal of Gilad, however, what I have read tends to the literary end of the current-affairs discussion spectrum.
I am sure people could call me a bigot given some of the comments I have left on JSF comments regarding Northern Irish-Protestant-Rangers politics and culture -
- but I am hoping people are going to be learned enough to appreciate the tongue in cheek stereotyping I am employing -
- I am commenting about important stuff within my own cultural grouping, but some people will take things the wrong way, no matter what you say to them to try to explain the 'literary' and less literal meanings in what you are trying to communicate.
I remember when I first joined a well known yahoo discussion group getting a hard time, by some of its members, because I tried to be a bit too arty-farty over allusions to 'serpents' and 'the garden of Eden'. Roland Rance came to my rescue - and then Mark Elf helped me when another member thought I was in the BNP!
Anyway JSF that's all I have to say,
all the best!
ps
Don't you think British Muslims are being treated by the Britsh government and media in a manner very reminiscent of the way German Jewish folk were treated pre-Nazi regime in Germany?
Anti-racists need to wake up
- vicious fascists are being found not guilty by Britsh juries of what are clearly racist activities!
pps
sorry I haven't replied to your email Mark - I have been a bit ill lately, but I will anon!
Have you gone completely bonkers?
(I know thats not up to my usual standards of well mannered and respectful disagreement, but ye gods).
http://web.archive.org/web/20051...les/
onanti.html
Since America currently enjoys the status of the world's only super power and since all the Jews listed above declare themselves as devoted Zionists, we must begin to take the accusation that the Jewish people are trying to control the world very seriously.
[...]
and as of july 30, 2004, the following read:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040...les/
onanti.html
"American Jews do try to control the world, by
proxy. So far they are doing pretty well for themselves at least."
The same text now reads:
http://www.gilad.co.uk/html%20fi...les/
onanti.html
Since America currently enjoys the status of the world's only super power and since all the Jews listed above declare themselves as devoted Zionists, we must begin to take the accusation that Zionists are trying to control the world very seriously.
[...]
"American Jews (in fact Zionists) do control the world.. So far they are doing pretty well for themselves at least."
Anyway, I've corrected the link now.
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