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From reading people such as Dr. Lozowick over the years (even though he's Israeli he obviously writes with an American audience in mind), I can just tell all the noise about anti-semitism is really bragging. They may or may not like being hated, but they sure like whinging about it. It's just a way of saying 'up yours'.
Here's an example of how screamingly decadent this guy can go:
"in the future, when the liars systematically deny everything we'll say about the Hamas enemy our troops faced in Gaza, it will be useful to quote the New York Times as our source."
click on the NYT report and you find:
"Israeli intelligence officials say.","According to an Israeli journalist embedded with Israeli troops...","Israeli press officers call the tactics of Hamas cynical, illegal and inhumane"
Yeah. He's about as dyed-in-the-wool as it gets. He knows everything wrong about Zionism and strives to deny or justify everything. One day he said Palestinians should be penalized for their democratic choice as Austria was for putting Joreg Haider in government, the next day he says Israelis don't have any bloodthirsty sentiments about Palestinians.
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"From reading people such as Dr. Lozowick over the years (even though he's Israeli he obviously writes with an American audience in mind), I can just tell all the noise about anti-semitism is really bragging. They may or may not like being hated, but they sure like whinging about it. It's just a way of saying 'up yours'... He's about as dyed-in-the-wool as it gets. He knows everything wrong about Zionism and strives to deny or justify everything."
- andrew
Look at what you have: an ideology that believes that Jews cannot live in a Gentile world, that the land had nobody living on it before the settlers came, that the Arabs hate the Israelis due to religious reasons, that the Palestineans fled for no reason in 1948. All of these are historically or factually incorrect propositions, but they are some of the pillars that Zionism (or at least post-`67 Zionism) is built on. When an ideology is at variance with reality by more than 50%* it has to be butressed with an endless stream of lies, distortions, agitprop and counteragitprop from people like the good doctor. The problem with writing this sort of stuff is that you actually have to know the truth so you can lie about it, hence Lozowick's defensiveness.
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01.12.09 - 12:58 am | #
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Hey, wait a minute Gabriel! That's my schtick!
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no justice for some bloggers. i wasn't sure the expression "mutt president-to-be" shouldn't be "mute president-to-be" so i googled it and JSF and ICH came up but no Weiss which I went to from the link in gabriel's post. Sure enough it says "mutt" so i still don't know.
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Informative post there Mark. I just want to quibble over two things, I think ‘Post-Zionism’ canbe construed more positively than you allow the main differences with anti-Zionism being their historical attitudes towards the Zionist project. Post-Zionists tend to see this history as either a necessary reaction at the time or in a more positive light than anti-Zionists do particularly as regarding Israel before 1967. However, it is in their understanding of the present and the future that they are closer together; most Post-Zionists accept that whatever the historical and past merits of the Zionist project it has either been derailed or effectively outlived much of its usefulness and needs to be fundamentally overhauled. They share almost all the criticisms of Israel that anti-Zionists would make and see Zionism as currently practised just going down a dead end. In practical terms this means, from what I understand, rethinking basic Zionist policy which would entail at the very least removing all forms of discrimination against non-Jews in Israel, true equality for non-Jewish citizens, move towards a proper secular state and of course a genuine engagement for peace with the Palestinians. There is an interesting book edited by Ephraim Nimmi “The Challenge of Post-Zionism” that has several quite remarkable contributions on this subject. The other major difference though is that Post-Zionism isn’t primarily driven by a concern for justice or for the Palestinians but an understanding that Zionism is decaying from within – anti-Zionists will of course hold that this was always the case.
Also re Finkelstein, I think you might have slightly misread what he said about Israel and the Holocaust. Finkelstein argues that it was 1967 that transformed the Jewish American Community’s relationship with Israel and made it into a US satellite but the Jewish elite in the US had always been pro-Zionist since at least the adoption of the Biltmore programme and the lobbying in the Truman administration over Israel reflects this. Finkelstein also is just talking about Jewish American’s self-perception and their bond with Israel which did change after 1967; I don’t think he anywhere means that the Holocaust wasn’t a major influence in Jewish life in the US in the 1950s. It did weigh heavily on them, particularly since many had either escaped Europe or had relatives who didn’t.
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You are right, I checked the dictionary. Our blogger friend has a way with language which is sometimes curiously unselfconscious ( I'll add a sic and a note)
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01.12.09 - 11:17 am | #
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mooser, I thought your schtick is copyleft?
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Lazynative, please rearead "the holocaust industry" pp 6-8. Besides, it was wrong perhaps to base this on Finkelstein alone. The delayed interest in the holocaust is not contentious, it is pretty well established.
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copyleft? I'm flummoxed! Explain?
I was gratified, am gratified that others are reaching the same conclusions as me. So naturally, I scream "plagiarism".
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Wake up Mooser, left and right are political wings. they've become a bit meaningless in the media what with left-of-centre Blair and Clinton and left-of-centre Blair's seamless transition from Clinton loyalist to Bush loyalist but they do still mean something in the real world. I think Gabriel was placing you on the political left but then I'm not that good at cryptic myself.
Mark Elf (aka levi9909) |
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01.12.09 - 9:00 pm | #
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FWIW, the "mutt" thing was used self-descriptively by Obama. Whether that gives any old white boy carte blanche to use it when talking about him is... well, I'll refrain from comment, but it's not something he's pulled entirely out of his own backside.
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Lazynative, just so you know, the post was by Gabriel (evildoer) not me.
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