This has been their stance now for roughly three years. And yet moderate Zionists and Two Staters like (e.g.) Alex Stein continue to refuse to acknowledge that this does represent a departure from their earlier 'destroy and replace with and Islamic state'.

I believe the world is slowly starting to listen though...

I give it 10 mins before a Zio starts reciting Hamas' Charter here.
Gert | Homepage | 06.26.09 - 4:53 pm | #

I agree that anything should be done to stop the occupation,but then what? I think Hamas has already thrown away the two state solution proposal since the U.S. didn't reply to them about it.
Jenny | 06.26.09 - 7:45 pm | #

Jenny,
Please think before posting. Do you think that Hamas' positions "go on sale" for two weeks during the summer?
evildoer | Homepage | 06.26.09 - 10:57 pm | #

Okay, I apologize for judging,but from the looks of the article you quoted, it seems he wants a singular state immeadately. I am just curious.
Jenny | 06.27.09 - 12:36 am | #

Gert: Molotov-Ribbentrop was a "departure" from Hitler's earlier position in Mein Kampf and two years later he came a blitzin' through the Ost. One of these days Hamas might get to use the gas they're sitting on to buy some messerschmidts and before you know it we have World War IV: They Saved Hitler's Brain.

nb: WWIII was the Cold War
andrew r | 06.27.09 - 1:58 am | #

andrew r:

Nice little spoof.

Personally I'm convinced that with greater fire power of the Palestinians this conflict could have been over a long time ago: it's precisely the asymmetry that allows Israel to do exactly as she pleases, enduring some low level 'teggogism' and using it as a perpetual excuse 'not to talk to de Gamas'. As Efraim Inbar said (link on request): 'Hamas is good for the Jews' (he meant Zionists of course). Even now, with mild US 'pressure', Israel doesn't feel in the slightest inclined to make a significant move. Why should they? Where's the real gain for them?

Without someone coming to their defense, the Palestinians are essentially a defeated people. Realistically speaking, only Obama can save them, but will he?
Gert | Homepage | 06.27.09 - 5:23 pm | #

Without someone coming to their defense, the Palestinians are essentially a defeated people. Realistically speaking, only Obama can save them, but will he?
- A seemingly mundane observation Gert, but an excellent one

It was one of the insights of the great Hannah Arendt at the trial of Eichmann that genocide (or ethnocide, ethnic cleansing etc) is an international problem, not a local or national problem.

This is one of the reasons I think Prof Chomsky's characterisation of the agreed solution by the overwhelming majority of serious involved parties as 'the international consensus' so apt.

Left to their own devices, the outcome of where Israel's illegal occupation is going is a completely forgone conclusion.

This is another reason why the outrage against the Peoples of Palestine is an outrage against us all. As any law would have it - a crime against one is a crime against everyone.
joe90 kane | Homepage | 06.27.09 - 7:30 pm | #

This is something Finkelstein says too: that Israel needs (paraphrase) a knock on the head to shake it up; or rather, that a military defeat could be one of the ways to induce Israel to come to the negotiating table.

Separately, his talk on the relevance of Ghandi is now up at normanfinkelstein.com; I asked for a copy a couple months ago, and it's fascinating reading:
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com...rn-from-gandhi/
max | Homepage | 06.27.09 - 9:03 pm | #