Interesting admission, since Zionism from its inception was founded on the opposite assumption and that 'room' need to be created for settlers by expelling the indiginous population
If prior Zionist history is any guide, they'll shoot them and use military force to pressure the neighbouring Arab governments to do the same.
So that was their original sin?
Go ahead Euro, put a last digit on that date, I dare you. Tell us what year the Zionists were "serious about living in peace".
I think the current ROE allow for firing on armed infiltrators only. A simple walk across the border on-camera is going to present Gandhian scenes that the Israeli state and society are NOT prepared to deal with.
Be real interesting how this works out, after Qibya, since (despite Captain R) Israeli soldiers are required to disobey a flagrantly illegal order.
In fact, "After Qibya" is the title of Yeshayahu Leibowitz's first essay on the state, morality, and power. To summarize, murder isn't halachically permitted, and worship of the state as such equally forbidden.
- Equating non-exclusionist and non-racist native Palestinians (of all stripes) with a gang of foreign racist thugs bent on destroying native Palestinian communitites, is the kind of phoney equation I'd expect from highly racialised and indoctrinated liars like eurosabra - so no surprise there.
A simple walk across the border on-camera is going to present Gandhian scenes that the Israeli state and society are NOT prepared to deal with.
- I don't know which is more sickening and repulsive - eurosabra's not-stop lies and propaganda on behalf of the Israeli state, or the carnage that state is responsible for over the decades.
As if a small state of only c.5 million people can hide what it is doing to another c.4 million it is illegaly occupying and ethnically cleansing.
What are the illegal settlers looking out at everyday of their lives, except somebody else's land they are stealing and whom they are sealing up inside concrete tombs.
See Mohammed Omar's entry for 7th March 2008 - it's gruesome, so please be warned -
Rafah Today - rafahtoday.org
Of course, everyday Palestinian scenes like these are news to innocent dew-eyed Jewish-Israelis (who happen to be members of the most militarised society on earth), according to eurosabra
Pointing out that non-statist Zionism was done to death by the AHC's sabotage of Brit Shalom does not excuse statist Zionism's failure to open Labor institutions, both big-L and small-l, and -our for that matter, to Palestinians.
Racist violence was directed against Jews, starting primarily with the quiescent nativist pietist religious communities, starting in 1929, initially as a reflection of the Arab Higher Committee's opposition to Jewish worship at the Kotel. It's okay to admit that people like the Mufti and Izzedine al-Qassam were racist mujahadin shits, Joe, really. And they played into the development of the Irgun, the Haganah, and the Special Night Squads.
I think Israeli society would be shamed into ending the Occupation if real suicide terrorism didn't undercut the argument of the vast majority who are sick of it. And if kidnapping and then rocketry didn't follow the withdrawals, as in Lebanon and Gaza.
Damn, we're having the usual go-round.
Of course, it's very easy (for you) to engage in this 'both sides' hand-wringing but the fact is that the notion of expulsion was an element of Zionist ideology from Herzl onwards, and the 'conquest of labour' policy which necessitated the expulsion of Palestinian labourers and peasants from Jewish-purchased land was adopted before WW1 to resolve the contradictions in the Zionist colonial enterprise. What more truthfully occurred is that the establishment of a settler-colonial society provoked a corresponding resistance to the growth of that society from the existing Palestinian inhabitants. Had Jewish migrants settled as equals amongst Palestinians the history of Palestine in the 20th century may have been radically different, but Zionism by it's nature was a racist and colonialist doctrine from its inception. Indeed it could not have been otherwise given that it was founded on the notion that non-European territories can be utilised as 'tabula rasa' to solve the perceived problems of Jewish existance in Europe.
It's really fucking tiresome to hear you churn out the same excuses Eurosabra. the Palestinians have employed non-violent protests again, and again, and again and almost without exception they've been met with violent - often lethal - force by the Israeli security services.
It is Gandhi for the Palestinians and Rambo for the Jews.
What I find chilling is the fact that (although it smacks of a "Third Way") no one in the Israeli civil society has seized on this to open a dialogue. Typical. But paucity of imagination is an old sport among both Israelis and Palestinians.
This is wholly untrue; non-statist Zionism was always a minority current and was eclipsed because the policy of the majority of organised Zionist groups was aimed towards the creation of a Jewish state on a discriminatory basis, and it was a policy adopted before the first world war, well before the outbreak of major -and violent - Palestinian resistance of 1929, or in fact of 1920-1.
Thanks
Eurosabra - "paucity of imagination" has never been an affliction suffered by hasbara parrots such as yourself. The zionist imagination may be a tad repetitive but it's highly inventive as you know, indeed, as you exemplify. Most Arab peace overtures are ignored or treated with disdain. I was in Israel when Sharon denounced a peace proposal from the Arab League as a "declaration of war." How's that for imagination?
Your comments directed against James O are well out of order. He's been remarkably polite to you given that you put him to so much work nailing your lies. I see no hint of self-importance on his part. He seems to genuinely think it's important to bear witness to Israel's crimes. If that is revisionism that's because the lies have become part of maintstream thinking. Revisionism is necessary when that happens. Obviously holocaust deniers have given revisionism a bad name, but then holocaust industrialists have given the true history a bad name. You should spend less time here and more time putting your own house in order.
By "both sides" I assume you mean the English and the Zionists, right? Really, you should have said "all three sides"! The French had interests in the area, two.
Mark, just throw that garbage out. I have only contempt for a person who decides they can "quit" being Jewish.
No,it's Zionism which has done, and will continue to destroy the Palestinians. More to the point my 'self-important revisionist narrative' is supported by most historians who arent blinkered by the demands of hasbara.
He used "really fucking tiresome" to describe my narrative, which I suppose it is to someone who has an investment in anti-Zionism. Since Joe90 obviously has carte blanche to scream invective here (as he does on Osama Saeed's site), I find it rather rich that I'm out of line.
I find it interesting that your site can't "win over" even a fairly non-statist Zionist who voted Balad, certainly that is not your intent, as your readers are purveyors of a pure Left Palestinian narrative. So arguing with you is pointless, and I'm going to restrict myself to areas where a semi-non-statist perspective might contribute something. I do applaud your opposition to the Atzmon/Rizzo/Ben Dor triumvirate--loopy near anti-Semitism shouldn't get a pass.
I "quit" Zionism, to the extent that my involvement was solely with the medical sector and civil society institutions, before I left. And then I left. And then I got a US Passport and have never really looked back, except for visits to arrange the care of aged relatives who can't leave, who are, through no fault of their own, living in other people's houses. I get that you're being especially arch about Zionism's over-identification of Judaism and Zionism, but remember that Islamism's conflation of the two (Seattle, Buenos Aires, Paris, Istanbul) is the real problem of life-threatening immediacy for Diaspora Jews.
http://www.counterpunch.org/
mend...el03122008.html
James O: I look forward to Benny Morris's new book on '48. Pappé, unlike you, makes no bones about not writing "objective history"--He has a Left Palestinian narrative exactly like yours, however.
Gee, they told me in Hebrew School those things were halachically ordained!
It's all their fault because they didn't welcome the first Zionists! After all, they were "mandated" to do so. When Zionists came and settled, under the auspices of the colonialist nations already administering the area, the Palestinians should have welcomed them as their hope, their succor and their relief. And the bastards wouldn't! Can you imagine?
So the Zionists had no choice but to turn to violent methods. Sure, that's the ticket!
She (Eurosabra) said it, not me! And of course she's right. Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism, except insofar as it can use it to advance Zionism's aims.
Eurosabra, I live in Seattle. Shit, the Rabbis here run over City Council members with impunity! You are trying to tell me we are in danger of being ejected by Islamists?
And you can knock off that tone of historical condescension Eurosabra. You are a nasty piece of work, and it can't be hidden.
- a little box of zionist of tricks.
I have said it again and again but as it is a zionist nutcase I'm dealing with, then it goes without saying that I'll just have to repeat what everybody already knows, just for the record.
For me to describe eurosabra as a sick violent racist who supports and apologises for the most indescribable acts of bloodshed and brutality is a mere description of fact.
There is no invective and nothing that anyone could possibly complain about when I describe eurosabra in this way. It is the truth.
eurosabra has no more a right to spread her racist filth on decent humane blogs (such as JSF) than any member of the KKK or the BNP.
To treat eurosabra as in any way welcome to liberal, tolerent and caring debate is an abuse of liberal democracy.
For eurosabra to try and pretend that she is, somehow, liberal and democratic is just another hasbara tactic. She is an intolerant violent bigot who abuses liberal democracy in order to spread her evil racist poison about her victims.
The fact is, eurosausage is miffed that she has no carte blanche to spread her evil racist zionist filth. Her racist lies are easily countered by the knowledgeable (and caring) denizens of JSF.
The fact that I characerise eurosabra in the way I do, in no way detracts from the fact that her arguments are racist propaganda.
When her propaganda is revealed for what it is, she has nothing else left in her limited box of zionist tricks but to -
- claim others are being abusive
- or refer to other blogs, out of the blue, as if revealing some kind of sordid personal secret about her current victims
ps
On a lighter note, why not visit Osama Saeed's -
'Rolled-up Trousers' blog
http://www.osamasaeed.org/
His blog motto is, "Osama Saeed putting a bit of stick about".
He is a bit busy at the moment and hasn't been doing much blogging since the new year - however, he has been chosen as the Scottish National Party's parliamentary candidate for the next election for the Glasgow Central constiuency . He is up against some New Labour Scottish-Asiany guy, who is going to get wiped out basically.
Don't you remember Ariel Sharon's visit to the Al-Haram al-Sharif in September 2000?
Surrounded by hundreds of heavily armed thugs, sorry, zionist policemen, Ariel said -
I come here with the messege of peace. I believe that we can live together with the Palestinians
And hey presto! Dozens of Palestinians were instantly murdered and hundreds injured.
Eurosabra | 03.20.08 - 7:20 pm | #
Let's take this moderate Zionist's post apart. A one state solution implies that Jews and Palestinians live together. If this is utopian, then Jews and Palestinians can not live in the same state.
Now it so happens that about 20% of the current inhabitants of Israel are Palestinians - (noting that refugees are not being counted.) We also know that Palestinians have a higher birth rate.
So lets look at this rather "innocuous" bit of racism again. A "one state solution is even more utopian."
In the long run, Israel is becoming a "One State" solution through demographics. The racist term is demographic time bomb, or demographic terrorism.
The comment is in effect a call for driving Palestinians out of Israel. To make the claim that a one state is not possible is to invoke the threat of further massacres, further ethnic cleansing more refugees, and more dead Palestinians. It is to state that Palestinians can never be full and equal citizens within Israel, by virtue of being Palestinian. There is something inherent within Palestinian makeup - no matter what their religion is - that makes them unsuitable as human beings. Are we back to - it is something in their blood that makes them unsuitable as human beings?
As a moderate, Eurosabra helps to provide the space and legitimacy for those who are more racist - those who are more than willing to do what is necessary to carry out what is necessary to create the true "Aryan" state that Eurosabra dreams of.
The ANC extended a degree of legitimacy to white South Africans that no mainstream Palestinian movement ever did to Jews, and the reception of the various peace proposals reflects that.
I believe that the State of Israel will eventually muddle through to some accommodation with its Palestinian citizens, although that is hardly utopian--there is case law and an activist judiciary to make it stick. But by and large, I think that hoist on the petard of bourgeois liberalism, Israel will never expel the Palestinians, but will rather be destroyed by the party willing to play "la politique du pire"--and the number of Jews remaining in Gaza (1) and the number on the West Bank 1948-67 (0) tends to bear that out as well.
You can consider me trapped in the usual dilemma of the "colon de bonne volonté."
You did have a little bit of shooting at the JCC, caused by SJS (Sudden Jihad Syndrome).
No Eurosabra, what's tiresome about your contributions is that you continue to push the same recycled hasbara themes even after others on this site have comprehensively discredited them. Your comments are less an attempt to convince anyone else than an ongoing attempt to reassure yourself of Zionism's legitimacy.
Why is it that a one-state solution is always the "utopian" option? What about the concept of a "Jewish State" with the worthless Galut earning their bread by the sweat of their brows (not a "Welfare Jew" in sight) and living at peace with their Arab neighbors--who wet themselves whenever a Jew gives them a fierce glance? In fact the result has been to replicate Sparta, the ancient Greek garrison state that was so obsessed with maintaining a crushing grip on the neighboring province of Messenia that it just stood still in time while the rest of Greece was evolving into greatness. See if this description doesn't remind you of Israel:
"On the whole, this inefficient way of having a city ruled by two kings plus a group of oligarchs contributed to making Sparta traditionally slow-moving, nor did she ever make any attempt to streamline her government until the very end."--Isaac Asimov, THE GREEKS: A Great Adventure, 1965
And hey presto! Dozens of Palestinians were instantly murdered and hundreds injured.
And a violent racist replied -
not instantly, Joe 90..
No, of course not, sick-in-the-head racist - ethnic cleansing and genocide does take time, it doesn't happen over night
cf the Nazis and Weimer/Nazi Germany
And it's a lie to say that non-Jewish Israelis/occupied Palestinians are in control of anything in Mandate Palestine. They have little or no rights when it comes zionist racism.
Occupied Palestines have no rights whatsover.
If Muslims did have rights, then zionism's answer to Ghandi, Sharon, wouldn't have been allowed to desecrate a Muslim holy place.
Why didn't the Zionists just marry the hell out of the Palestinians? That's what we did here (US) and frankly, they were even further distant culturally, really.
Would've solved the whole problem.
Gee, Euro, why not? Seems like the most natural thing in the world.
Well, some ancient consanguinity might interfere, but I doubt it.
It is utopian to think that blacks can live in peace with whites. It is utopian to think that Jews can live in peace with Germans. It is Utopian to think that Natives can live in peace with Americans.
Like the resistance of the Palestinians, there is little new in your racist excuses for refusing to accept the concept of equality.
No - Zionism is politically a form of fascism - extreme nationalism.
But lets go back to your self-serving racism:
"When they say they will never recognize a sovereign Jewish presence"
And why the fuck should they? Maybe you would like to recognize a sovereign Aryan presence in Germany? Think that's a good thing perhaps?
No - I did not misread you. At the very best you are willing to allow Palestinians to be second class citizens in their own home - graciously allowed to live in the midst of a sovereign Jewish presence - as long as they know their place.
Eurosabra - your latest comment seems to be a propos nothing in particular and I don't know what a snark is. And I've never heard of Bernard Avishai. You've raised a non-issue. Hirsh is welcome in places where zionists are welcome. What a surprise! I even had Dr Hirsh's wife here once telling me how wonderful Alan Dershowitz is compared to me. He too gets his name in lights at Harvard, Yale and FrontPage Mag.
I don't set out to appease racist war criminals, their compatriots or their apologists. I merely set out to expose liars and hypocrites in the western media. I take the occasional detour but I've been pretty successful in what I set out to do. I have exposed Linda Grant, Nick Cohen and David Aaronovitch, oh yes, and Dr Hirsh and I seem to have caused each of them enough embarrassment to want to retaliate against me in spite of me being an unknown and them, except for Hirsh, being celebs.
If I wanted fame, fortune and a place on the establishment's greasy pole, I'd be a zionist. Alas, I have a moral conscience, so I'll crack away at my er "snark", telling the truth and offering my humble opinion. You offer lies in fancy dress and even your opinion jumps all over the place between Jewish supremacy and justice for all (the latter of course, only when it suits).
You are a strange one though. You're head and shoulders above Hirsh for intellect and yet you happily count him as one of your own. You obviously missed his ludicrous claim to being a non-zionist.
My first encounter with him on line was over Nick Cohen coming out with the statement that "all antisemites are anti-Zionist". You're too well educated to know how wide of the mark that is. A few anti-zionists went to his site to point out the various episodes of zionist collaboration with antisemitism and Hirsh popped up to tell me that I am a Jewish nationalist (I'm not) and that I don't like my dad (he wasn't a zionist). Wow! Blew me away. Next up he was coming here under the name Alf Green to say that the UAE is more racist than Israel. Eventually I exposed him as Alf Green and he never mentioned my name again under his own name though I think he now uses the name Shachtman on Comment is free and sometimes on Engage when the hits are down.
See if you think this is him. I use the name Ilan on Cif now since Linda Grant got my Levi9909 id banned. I made a comment on one of her articles and took a swipe at this "Shachtman" for a bogus allegation of antisemitism in the same thread. He accused me of ad hominem attacks and called me the Tommy Cooper of the anti-zionists. That's got to be Hirsh, hasn't it? I mean accusing someone of ad hominem attacks and then calling them names? Who else does that? Ok, apart from Linda Grant who called me one of a group of "cold, callous bastards" before going on to accuse me of ad hominem attacks. That was on the Engage site.
I should save these Hirshisms for a post on GREAT ACADEMICS OF OUR TIME. Trouble is there are so many of them I'm not sure if I could do it justice.
Incidentally you took a swipe at the Magnes Zionist on this site for criticising "the only democracy in the Middle East" whilst drawing a state salary. Maybe he's changed. Most of the posts I saw of his suggested to me that "Magnes Zionism" isn't a million miles from anti-zionism. The only thing he doesn't do that I do is support BDS but he does agree with working with its supporters. As I said, I know nothing of this Avishai but I think you've missed something on MZ. Just because he doesn't call you a liar doesn't mean he doesn't know you are a liar. Remember that.
"Kfar Etzion indicates what Palestinians have in mind should they ever have the upper hand, and the survival rate of kidnapped Israelis (of the twenty or so in the past 10 years, only one has returned alive in an exchange, and only one is still rumored to be alive--Gilad Shalit) tends to confirm that."
That's an interesting statement, Eurosabra. You make a judgement about the possible future behavior of a Palestinian government based on the eighteen or nineteen deaths of kidnapped Israelis (all soldiers, correct?) over the last ten years.
Yet you dismiss the deaths of that number of Palestinians (including large numbers of civilians) at the hands of Israel, often within a number of hours, frequently within a number of days, and, in 2008, consistently ongoing.
That is why one eventually must conclude you are a racist. Your perspective is illustrative of the society from which you come, and your inability to recognize the prejudicial nature of your beliefs demonstrates the extent to which such beliefs are a part of the Israeli narrative. Which makes sense, how else can it's citizens accept the sheer inhumanity of Israel's military terrorism against the Palestinians?
Can a modern western society structured on such prejudicial foundations survive? The concept of equality of human rights exists now not because we are all such wonderful people but because we aren't. Maybe no one can make Israel play fair, but you know what they say: you can't stop progress.
Whenever you feel abused by Joe90, skip blithely on over to:
RAFAH TODAY March 7 DAILY LIFE IN PALESTINE
"Firemen are still working during attacks but they are being shoot at on daily basis by Isareli occupation forces."
"39 children were killed the same way like this during last week"
"Home demolitions in Rafah. Bulldozers erase densely populated areas, to make room for the new "iron wall". The families lose everything."
It is a mockery to read the attribution of Palestinian deaths as a response to Jihadist rocketry and "real suicide terrorism" when one can so easily observe the extreme lack of proportion between the injury done to the Israeli and that which is done by the Israeli. As time goes on, it becomes increasingly apparent why Nazi Germany was able to get so far along the path to it's goal: how indifferent the world is to the great wrong done to the Palestinians in the name of Israel.
One can't help but question how much the world will suffer because of it.
Perhaps Eurosabra has discovered a way to de-fuse the "demographic time bomb" she's not willing to talk about.
It's alright Euro, there are no miscegenation law in Israel, are there? Is that why you left?
Cause if I ever saw a lady who doth protest too much, it's you, darlin'!
You know as well as I do that intermarriage in Islam means non-Muslim women convert to Islam, while non-Muslim men do not marry Muslim women, for "Islam is to dominate and not be dominated." Assimilation in the realms of the Ottoman Empire only went one way, and no sheik would marry his daughter to an infidel. Other than that, brilliant move. Such intermarriage that has taken place, estimated at 0.5% of all marriages, seems to be mainly Palestinian men and Jewish women, in line with this dynamic. (To which we owe Juliano Mer Khamis, a wholly bicultural gadfly.)
I'm sorry Moslem marriages don't meet your standards. Have you seen ours here in the US lately? Wow!
But marriage isn't the only way to taste forbidden fruit. Surely you know that. Oh yeah, she doth protest a hell of a lot too much.
What's his name, Euro. Let us share your passion and your joy. Love like that only comes once in a lifetime, and we would love to hear about it.
I think it's sort of cute, myself.
Roughly 30, only 10 of whom were soldiers, only two of whom are known to be alive, and only one, a civilian, returned. Kidnapping of civilians has taken the form of fake Internet trysts, fake drug deals, fake business meetings. As someone who knows well the role kidnapping, torture, and disappearances played in the collapse of Algeria (1992-2002) and Yugoslavia (1991-1995), I would argue that the key factor is the AVERAGE treatment meted out to captives by each party. Israel currently holds thousands of Palestinians, of whom relatively few have died, whereas ONE Israeli has returned alive from captivity in the past ten years.
I don't consider any other portion of your vituperation and calumny deserving of reply.
Life became a lot simpler when I understood that Palestinians would never let me live in peace, anywhere on the planet. And events (Paris, Istanbul, Buenos Aires) prove that right. Which is why your Israel-as-Nazi line and questioning how much ""the world" will suffer reminds me only of real Nazis nattering about a Jewish world conspiracy.
A simplistic racist worldview doesn't make life simple, it just looks it.
Take it elsewhere now. I've been far too tolerant of you.
Eurosabra
Euro, just bear in mind that (as far as I know), Mae is an American, non-Jewish citizen who interested herself in the details and facts of the Israel imbroglio only a short time ago.
And look at the conclusions she is coming to.
Ask not whom the shofar blarts for Eurosabra, it blarts for thee, and your hasbara.
But I'm sure having a Palestinian lover somewhat ameliorates your discomfort. Good for you.
Jeez, and I thought it was six million! Oh well, I never get my facts straight.
Euro
Aww! And now we know how romance blooms in the desert, right through the razor-wire. Nay, nay! Love? It reaches through iron walls!
Oy! Euro, I'm all verklempt!
Your passion may be all yours, but I hope your happiness belongs to all of us. You know, like Palestine!
Euro- does he look like Valentino? Or is it a "he"? No matter! Love is an aliyah we all can make!
Mark
Don't forget Seattle, Mark! Don't forget Seattle. I hear that Rabbi was trying to avoid a PLO ambush when he killed that poor city council member!
Any good info on that? Patrick Seale touched on the idea but he didn't accept it as fact.
Come to think, Joe still owes me some reading on Buenos Aires.
I let my standards slip there though. I thought if Eurosabra can flagrantly lie, I can state genuine beliefs as facts.
If you hadn't mentioned Patrick Seale I probably would have pointed you in his general direction. So my source is no better than yours.
Sorry again
Re Buenos Aires, I was told, by someone I trust, that it was an international Hizbullah (not to be confused with the Lebanese group of the same name) job. It's definitely a lie to say it was Palestinians. I can't find what Joe said.
Re Seattle, I won't be losing any sleep about that.
I did say over at Lenin's Tomb that it was the neo-nazi Argentines wot done it.
I read somewhere that former neo-nazis, related to the neo-nazi Argentine Junta which ruled Argentina, may have been behind the atrocity of the synagogue bombing.
Given the thousands of murders of Jewish-Argentines these neo-nazi were responsible for, it is not beyond reasonable possibility that Argentine neo-nazis had some hand in it.
Also given that Argentina has good relations with western authorities and Iran and Hezbollah do not then it becomes mere conveninece for Argentine authorities to name western bogey-men as suspects, without the slightest piece of evidence to substantiate their claim.
Here is wikipedia, although it doesn't say anything about latin american neo-nazis -
1994 AMIA bombing
On a slightly related note,
not to long ago some Irish 'conflict resolution' specialists were picked up by the Columbian authorities and fingered as Provos in cahoots with FARC.
Know-nothin western corporate news journalists had a field day, of course, inventing all sorts of global terrorists networks from the comfort of their office desks.
It turned out that the visiting Irish 'terrorists' were peaceful conflict resolution experts and specialists on a fact-finding mission type of thing, trying to help Columbians by using their own experience from the British-Irish sphere of argy-bargy.
My point being that western authorities are only too willing to jump to conclusions about the reach and influence of terrorist organisation, when it serves their interests to do so.
But you're saying there is no cut and dried answer and that Argentinian neo-nazis are in the frame? Hmmm.
Yeah, I was wondering if you read anything other than Patrick Seale about this. If Israel wanted him to do some dirty work, it's not a stretch to believe they'd send a third party to contract him out, working for Israel would either be seriously embarrassing to him or just hypocritical. It's all academic in the bigger picture of course, because Abu Nidal was only a monster created by something even worse.
Joe:
You probably know that Arabs were quickly blamed for Oklahoma City, and a lot of people don't believe Qadhafi was behind Lockerbie. In any case, I realize it was less important at the time to prove who did it than deflate Sabra's shlock about "mini-shoahs".
for staying with me on this one.
Your standards of truth and veracity are so high, its not just zio-flannelists like eurosausage who feel the heat!
I thought andrew r had forgotten about my promise to get him references about this shocking atrocity, and supposed connections to neo-nazi Argentine terror networks, left-overs from the Generals' glory days.
I'll try to find the book I read some of this in though.
ps
Lockerbie is another disgrace - of course Libya had nothing to do with it.
It's been in the news a lot recently here in bonnie Scotland.
Actually, when Tony Blair was still PM he shook hands with Qaddafi before he would shake hands with the newly elected First Minister of the Scottish Government, Alex Salmond of the SNP.
Now the UK and Qaddaffi are as thick as thieves
Eurosobber
That's the way love is, Euro. One sees the adored object everywhere!
But tell us, is it "Palestinians" or "a certain Palestinian"? Have you got some kind of "poly" thing going?
Your heart, Euro, is Occupied Territory!
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