Cause everybody knows the most successful states are organised around a religion.
It's the - you are not allowed to criticize Israel too much line.
I guess, like those Germans who didn't support an Aryan State, those of us who don't support a Jewish state are self-haters - and not fit to speak on any topic - especially the extreme nationalism and violence of the state that claims us as citizens.
Atzmon has a defender. And lordy is he unreadable.
"Zionism can be conceived as a symptom the non-empathetic manifestations of which are historically and existentially continuing certain facets of Jewish being and thinking. It is very important to ask whether the originary aggression of victim mentality as well as the choseness-begotten separateness existentially links the Zionist and the Jewish question."
Is the AJN's 'viable Jewish state' an oxymoron? Consider the evidence to date. The ayes have it.
Actually, the Australian Jewish community has already found Zion in Melbourne. Why they care about Israel at all is beyond me.
One of the more apoplectic of Melbourne's community is Stephen Shamrak. I am a conscript to his newsletter (I am a conscript to numerous Zionist crazies' emails who apparently want to re-educate me with their racist rants. I can't get off their list – thanks, Yahoo & Google).
Shamrak has the solution: "The war in Iraq created more than 4 million refugees, the same number of refugees created by Sudan in Darfur as well as during current war in Congo. The same number of Arabs could be easily transferred from Israel [i.e. all of them] to Sinai under international supervision. This would put an end to Arab terror inside Israel and give them an opportunity for self-determination!"
It's all Jewish land, says SS, including Gaza, so the Arabs are all trespassers. They must go. Self-determination in the Sinai! What a thoughtful chap is SS.
Ironic that Shamrak, a refusnik from the Soviet Union, is championing a process most dramatically employed by the Stalinist regime that he left in search of freedom.
There's something in the drinking water in the self-constructed ghetto that is the hardline Jewish community in Melbourne.
Coinciding with this brouhaha of the Australian Parliamentary celebration of 60 years of Israeli ethnic cleansing is a crisis in the ultra orthodox and hitherto invisible Adass community. The Principal of its girls’ school appears to have been molesting some female students (and has hightailed it back to Israel), females isolated from the opposite sex because of the inherent dangers of living in the real world!
http://www.theage.com.au/news/
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A certain Raphael Aron has been called in to assist. But (and here is the irony) ‘Mr Aron, who is also director of Cult Counselling Australia, which tries to get people out of cults, said he was concerned for the girls' welfare.’
Perhaps Mr Aron could turn his attention to the larger cult which surrounds him, that of Zionism itself.
Wait a minute! We got fifty states US here. Are there more denominations than that? Jewish States for everybody! Oy Gestalt!
Actually, unless you take the view of Hitler (or a chap called Ian Donovan I saw in the Socialist Unity comments) remaining Jewish is a choice but it's hardly the same as choosing to support or participate in a project of ethnic cleansing, colonial settlement and racist laws.
His "reasoning" is thoroughly dishonest. His equating of the phrases "Jews against zionism" and "Jewish and democratic state" simply by way of his own assertion reminds me of Linda Grant and Geoffrey Alderman suggesting that the law that allows people with an Irish grandparent to get Irish citizenship equates to Israel's citizenship law regarding anyone with a Jewish grandparent. It's a crude mechanism whereby words ending in "ish" mean the same but "pertaining to Ireland" is not the same as "pertaining to Jews or Judaism". Similarly, Dr Hirsh of Engage in a "working" paper can ask the question, something like "at what point does anti-zionism become antisemitism?" and then say, again roughly, "in other words, at what point does criticism become demonisation?" But these questions are not the same. If you "demonise" Israel, why is that antisemitic? An example I have seen by Hirsh was that to say a state shouldn't exist is demonisation. But was the Soviet Union demonised? Yes or no? Let's say "yes". Was that anti-Russian or anti-any people who were ruled by the USSR or who the USSR claimed to be ruling for? Of course not.
Ben Dor wants to say that there are issues about the Jewish identity that we should discuss. Hmm, ok, so let's discuss. But he has already decided that "Jews against zionism" is an oxymoron. He has already decided that Jews are zionists. That, of course, is the point at which anti-zionism becomes antisemitism. Ironically, it's the point at which zionism itself concurs with antisemitism. For the zionist, zionism represents the Jews. For the anti-semite, Jews represent zionism. If we cut through the dishonesty and pretentiousness of Ben Dor we see the confluence not of Jewishness and zionism but of zionism and antisemitism.
There was an absurd comment on the Jerusalem Post website that Diaspora Jews are free and equal citizens because of Israel. The moke insisted that because of this all galut are obligated to serve in the IDF instead of just sending money. Sadly, he neglected to give out a toll-free phone number for benighted souls like Mark to get in on this protection racket. Israel makes the Kray Brothers look kids benignly running a lemonade stand.
You can say that again. I can always tell a political 'analysis' is going to lack any insight by its quota of abstract generalizations and purple, nebulous prose like "It is the task of an intellectual to touch the untouchable and liberate thinking from its blackmailed, somewhere idle, comfort zones" (gag). Hell, that guy couldn't be bothered to name who is trying to silence PeacePalestine.
suggesting that the law that allows people with an Irish grandparent to get Irish citizenship equates to Israel's citizenship law regarding anyone with a Jewish grandparent.
Pretty much up there with Dersh's catch phrase of Israel having a good human rights record for its situation.
I'm sure you've seen "any country facing terror like Israel would do the same" a million times.
Then again, that one's factually correct, it just throws morality to the wind. The USA used Indian attacks as an excuse to finish what it was going to do anyway, and you know Israel is doing the same (As if to knock you over the head with how correct that is, a right-wing party called for 8 new settlements, one for each Yeshiva student killed, to be started in the West Bank. I can only hope someone fetishes my name for such a creepy agenda).
You can say that again. I can always tell a political 'analysis' is going to lack any insight by its quota of abstract generalizations and purple, nebulous prose like "It is the task of an intellectual to touch the untouchable and liberate thinking from its blackmailed, somewhere idle, comfort zones" (gag). Hell, that guy couldn't be bothered to name who is trying to silence PeacePalestine.
suggesting that the law that allows people with an Irish grandparent to get Irish citizenship equates to Israel's citizenship law regarding anyone with a Jewish grandparent.
Pretty much up there with Dersh's catch phrase of Israel having a good human rights record for its situation.
I'm sure you've seen "any country facing terror like Israel would do the same" a million times.
Then again, that one's factually correct, it just throws morality to the wind. The USA used Indian attacks as an excuse to finish what it was going to do anyway, and you know Israel is doing the same (As if to knock you over the head with how correct that is, a right-wing party called for 8 new settlements, one for each Yeshiva student killed, to be started in the West Bank. I can only hope someone fetishes my name for such a creepy agenda).
But you usually have to be dead for that to happen...I'm sure if John Birch rose from the dead he'd be asking "They used my name for WHAT?"
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