|
|
|
Primo Levi would not be amused.
Good thing for his own sake that he's dead.
ej |
05.06.08 - 8:18 am | #
|
|
I guess the new slogan of Italian Jews is, "Let them hate, so long as they don't hate US." Funny, that's what they said about Mussolini's lot the first go-round--until the Racial Laws were promulgated in 1938.
Still, in a way it is good news. If these are the people whom the Zionists have been reduced to for allies then their cause must be going to Hell in a bucket. Perhaps next they'll elect Flat-Earthers to office. I believe your local branch are called the BNP.
Montag |
05.06.08 - 3:44 pm | #
|
|
reminds me of Hirsh & Littlejohn
Hulkagaard |
05.06.08 - 3:48 pm | #
|
|
Perhaps next they'll elect Flat-Earthers to office.
Most of the Christian Zionist denominations and independent churches in the US are "Intelligent Design" enthusiasts.
Not sure how they come down on wordly rotundity.
mooser42001 |
Homepage |
05.06.08 - 7:58 pm | #
|
|
When I asked Board of Deputies president Henry Grunwald, how he felt that the BNP web site was voted the most pro-Israel, he told me a little story and said, 'You see, they're being clever..' I said I thought it was also because Israel is like the BNP.....
I think to the fascists, Jews are more acceptable now - providing they're not black. Actually, there was something in the JC this week about Israel preferring the immigration of Russian Christians to black Jews, as in Ethiopean Falashamura.
I think that says it all about Israel and racism.
Deborah Fink |
05.07.08 - 3:34 am | #
|
|
Antisemitic Fascists are sooo out.
Prosemitic Fascism is the new black!
That's why Leo Strauss is so fucking hot! The Orthodox Jew Nazi!
Sorry I can make light of this, a million dead Iraqis and all.
Josh Narins |
Homepage |
05.07.08 - 10:23 am | #
|
|
Most of the Christian Zionist denominations and independent churches in the US are "Intelligent Design" enthusiasts.
Funny you should mention that, there's a conference with Christian Zionists and Creationists coming up in California.
Bartholomew |
Homepage |
05.07.08 - 1:19 pm | #
|
|
Deborah, you're right. There was a story in the news recently about an Ethiopian immigrant who was denied Jewishness in Israel despite being raised as a religious Jew in Ethiopia. When he applied the Board refused to certify him on a technicality. Then he was killed in Lebanon, so they went back and "promoted him to Jew."
I read the memoir of an apostate German Neo-Nazi, "Fuehrer-Ex," in which he said that although foreigners seemed to be the focus of modern Neo-Nazis they were only a target of convenience. Enemy No. 1 were still the Jews, because Neo-Nazis are more concerned with the past than the future.
Montag |
05.07.08 - 3:55 pm | #
|
|
Sorry I can make light of this, a million dead Iraqis and all.
Josh Narins
C'mon, Josh, I thought you were Bar Mitzvahed and everything. You should know there is not even a question os vulgarity until around 5-6 million killed. Joke away, it's kosher.
BTW, I never realised what a disgusting man and purveyor of hasbara Uri Avnery is until I read his today's article, which I saw in Anti-War. I do not understand why Anti-War features him.
He is one nasty guy. Read it for yourself and tell me does you agree.
mooser42001 |
Homepage |
05.07.08 - 4:56 pm | #
|
|
I'd need a link for that Avnery but he does have his moments. He did a very article in Counterpunch once about the Israel lobby in America called "Manufacturing antisemitism".
Mark Elf (aka levi9909) |
Homepage |
05.07.08 - 5:52 pm | #
|
|
Uri Avnery is still the best you can get from leftist Zionism. At least he never supports Israel's aggression. However, with all the terrible facts he acknowledges, it seems like his personal investment won't let him realize Zionism should have been put down at birth.
Antiwar.com may live up to its name, but that doesn't stop it from being reactionary and statist. None of the commentary on Israel is anti-Zionist per se (and often spouts the 'tail wags the dog' theory), they don't cover Ward Churchill or Leonard Peltier, and Justin Raimondo even supports the US govt. hunting bin Laden. I still read it for his take on electoral politics and news in general.
andrew r |
05.07.08 - 9:28 pm | #
|
|
Israel: The next Sixty Years
by Uri Avneryhttp://www.antiwar.com/avnery/?
articleid=12797
He ends up blaming the goyim for Israel. Crusaders, don't you know.
If it hadn't been for those bad Crusaders and awful old European racist hooey, the Jews would have come to Zion as "Asians coming home" rather than Wall-builders, which they learned how from those bad anti-semetic Europeans. See, Israelis suffer from, I swear to G-d: "Crusader Anxiety"
Give me a break. Mr Avnery sure won't:
"I am not worried about the existence of the state of Israel. It will exist as long as states exist. The question is: What kind of state will it be?
Mr. Avnery for the grand finale of his anniversary essay than posits that Israel will turn topsy-turvy, grow wings and fly through the air, and how nice that will be. He oughta know.
mooser42001 |
Homepage |
05.07.08 - 10:15 pm | #
|
|
I think I'm in complete agreement with you there Mooser. Maudlin nonsense.
Mark Elf (aka levi9909) |
Homepage |
05.08.08 - 12:58 am | #
|
|
I usually really like Avnery, but I guess this shows again how much cognitive dissonance being a Zionist yet trying to be an anti-racist at the same time generates.
christian h. |
05.08.08 - 1:58 am | #
|
|
Actually, I think Avnery makes a good point about Israel being a de facto Western beachhead in Asia. The similarities between the establishment of the Kingdom of Jerusalem by the Crusaders and the State of Israel by the Zionists are more startling than you might think. Didn't the Zionists even boast of the fact that they could only survive as the client state of one Imperial Power or another?
As for Avnery's prognostications, maybe his crystal ball was on the fritz. Anyone would have a tough time predicting how it will all end. But the salient fact is that Israel is militarily a regional power that refuses to stop the settlement activities in spite of its best interests. The end result will be that Israel will unwillingly gain a majority Muslim population, as was the case in the Kingdom of Jerusalem--except then the Muslims had no majority votes.
If you ask me, any other fantastic solution, as the Israelis are proposing--making Gaza a Free City like Danzig under international control (and expense!) and palming off the unwanted portions of the West Bank onto Jordan--are maudlin nonsense.
Montag |
05.08.08 - 2:35 am | #
|
|
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Sat...icle%
2FShowFull
Normally I wouldn't bother, but look at the Talkback. In addition to the US and Israel, no less than 6 countries (France, UK, Italy, Romania, Argentina, Canada) are represented by Zionists crowing about what should be done with people under military occupation or in refugee camps. I tried to send a comment highlighting this, hope it goes through!
andrew r |
05.08.08 - 3:52 am | #
|
|
I think I'm in complete agreement with you there Mooser.
Jesus, take me now! Only heaven could be an improvement on this!
mooser42001 |
Homepage |
05.08.08 - 3:42 pm | #
|
|
"Crusader Anxiety"
Damn you, Richard the Lion-Hearted!
mooser42001 |
Homepage |
05.08.08 - 3:44 pm | #
|
|
The problem with the Christian Crusaders was that, in next to no time, they all went native.
When they went out East to The Holy Lands they began to wash, use perfumed ungents, bathed in oils - weren't covered in shit all the time, as most Westerners of that time were.
New Crusaders, on visits, were appalled at the way the 'colonists' carried on.
Halliwell, in his film bible, quotes King Richard's long-suffering old dear -
War, war! That's all you ever think about, Dick Plantagenet! You burner, you pillager!
King Richard and the Crusaders (1954)
Memorable Quotes
The Internet Movie Database
all the best!
joe90 |
Homepage |
05.09.08 - 4:50 am | #
|
|
Going back to the thread itself. What is happening in Italy is no different from what happened in France re le Pen, who gained a higher proportion of Jewish voters in the Rhone valley, where most Jews lived, than the overall proportion of his votes. Why? Anti-Arab/Muslim.
It is unfortunately a recurring story.
It is also the case, and we shouldn't ignore it, that racism changes shape and bar a few loonie neo-Nazis most racists target Muslims and Arabs, not Jews. Jews are white in this society and anti-Semitism has no social base.
tony greenstein |
05.15.08 - 2:06 am | #
|
|
|
Commenting by HaloScan
|