Maybe you should talk to Wedgewood or somethin' Everybody's gonna want one.
Also keychains, T-shirts, hoodies and a line of jewelery, and a scent!
This si gonna make me more than that stack of early 78's I bought yesterday at a garage sale !(jumble?)
One fact that has never left my mind is how AshkeNAZI is so damn similar to NAZI. Seems like the same shit to me..
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Lenni Brenner's article on the medal
Hannah Arendt never argued that their was Zionist Nazi collaboration. She did argue that Jewish Councils cooperated with the Nazis but that is not the same as collaboration. Moreover Hannah Arendt's work was completely discredited by Jacob Robinson in his excellent book And the crooked shall be made straight and her information on Jewish councils can also be seen to be flawed. For more authoratitive information on the Jewish Councils, see Trunk's Judenrat.
For you to refer to Shahak is simply strange. Let us look at some of things Israel Shahak has said
1. “The majority of the Jewish public in Israel (and also out of it) believes that only Jews are human beings, and therefore deserve to be trusted, while the Gentiles usually lie.”
2. “[B]oth before and after a meal, a pious Jew ritually washes his hands, uttering a special blessing. On one of these two occasions he is worshipping God … but on the other he is worshipping Satan.”
3. “[A]cording to Jewish Talmudic law, legally valid in Israel today, any gentile woman is considered as impure, a slave, a Gentile and a whore.”
4. “[T]here are Nazi-like tendencies in Judaism.”
5. Shahak called the highly respected Lubavitcher Rebbe the “hereditary Fuehrer of Habbad.”
6. He argued that both Israelis and Diaspora Jews exhibit “a strong sense of totalitarianism in their character.”
This is the kind of man that Mark Elf is promoting on this site.
Mark Elf states the following "It's a curious thing that in Mein Kampf Hitler claims that zionists are the worst of all Jews. That was before he was in power of course. Once he was in power he found the zionists the most amenable to his rule."
This is complete tosh. The view of the Nazis was that the Zionists were at the center of the World Jewish Consipracy. Alfred Rosenberg published an essay with the title "Zionism Hostile to the State" which called Zionism "the powerless effort of an incapable people to engage in productive activity… a means for ambitious speculators to establish a new area for receiving usurious interests on a global scale." This essay reissued by the main Nazi publishing house in 1938. A year after that the Nazi Propaganda Ministry distributed a book with the title Palestine: Jewish State? which exposed "the real line of Jewish politics, namely the striving for a new, perhaps decisive base for Jewish world power" in a Jewish state. They also issued a book entitled The English, Jews and Arabs in Palestine, warning that the Zionist goal in Palestine was the "establishment of a Vatican of world Jewry. A firm base is to be built, on which, in later years, Jewish world policy can rest." During the war the Nazis published a book protesting "the exploitation of the Arabs by the Jews" and "the clear bond between the English government and the Zionists"
All this and more can be found in Jeffrey Herf, "Convergence: The Classic Case: Nazi Germany, Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism during World War II," Journal of Israeli History vol. 25, no. 1, 2006.
How many words have been expended to avoid that one fact?
Thanks for posting this.
Kininigin - if you're not a zionist plant I'll eat my shtrummel.
Mikey - You say there is no evidence of zionist collaboration with the nazis. There is too much to deny and it is too well documented. The ha'avara agreement, Hungary and the offer of an alliance with Hitler by Shamir are all matters of public record and some of them have been aired in Israel including in the Knesset.
Hannah Arendt did not just get into the judenrat stuff (I thought that was Isiah Trunk and that was bad enough), she touched on Kastzner's collaboration with Eichman. The collaboration is undeniable, even by zionists. The only real issue is the reasoning behind the collaboration. Was it ideologically for zionism? Was it practical for zionism? or was it through fear and a genuine belief that more lives could be saved? That latter wouldn't be such a bad thing but it's still collaboration.
My quote from Shahak's work was a quote from Joachim Prinz. I don't know what the various frummers believe and I don't see how what Shahak says about what they believe has any bearing on the fact that zionists saw Hitler's rise to power as a result for them. They definitely did. Even now zionists use the holocaust for fundraising and propaganda. I've seen some zionists say that what Hitler did proved that zionism was right. Right about what? Zionists are people who support a state under whose rule more Jews get killed over being Jewish than under any other state's rule and which zionist predicted the holocaust?
The collaboration with antisemitism didn't end with the end of WWII. Just recently a couple of zionists from Harry's Place fretted that an antisemitic Israeli called Gilad Atzmon had fallen from the blogosphere so they took him for a drink to get him back in the public eye. Before that the doyen of the anti-antisemites managed to get the same pretentious antisemitic wanker a right of reply on Comment is free on the Guardian site. His supporters now say that his Cif article proves that he can't be antisemitic or the Guardian would never had hosted him. Ok, in fairness that latter example may have been David Hirsh's sheer ineptitude. But those Harry's Placers are shrewd. They knew what they were doing. I had that David t in the back of the cab once and he suggested that for me to say that zionists and Israel cause antisemitism was like blaming the victims. I pointed out that David Hirsh had accused me of being responsible for antisemitic abuse being directed by your drinking partner, Atzmon, and his friends, at me. He took the point and pretty much dodged the question by saying that genuine anti-racists would support me. You see, smarter than Hirsh you HP types. Hirsh would have foolishly tried to defend his position.
Seeker of truth - your essentialism re ashkenazi Jews puts you in the, pardon the expression, zionazi camp.
If this is true, why does the inscription on that medal read "EIN NAZI FAHRT NACH PALASTINA" ("A NAZI TRAVELS TO PALESTINE")?
mikey - sorry I missed your "evidence" for there being no evidence of zionist collaboration with the nazis,being the fact that the latter were still propagandising against the former well into the latter's rule. that just goes to show that racist ideologues are all over the place and that there's no pleasing (or appeasing them. i'd like to say that hopefully the zionists will know better next time but sadly israel's collaboration with galtieri's argentina suggests that the zionists see antisemitism as an opportunity not an enemy. anyway the nazis were anti a lot of collaborators' ethnic origins and ideolical persuasions. in fact, now I think about it, by trying to cover for those zionists who definitely did collaborate, the logic you have used comes close to suggesting that there was no collaboration with the nazis by anyone.
Final link (before Google Books bends to gov't demands and censors the title):
America Deceived (book)
I callfirst dibs on book and movie rights! The rest of you get in line.
Wait'll you see who I can get for the leads!
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Ein Nazi fährt nach Palestina -
und erzählt davon im Angriff
A nazi goes to palestine -
und talks (writes) about it in the "Angriff"
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