Was Zionism anything other than a real estate racket?
The same thing happened in the Turkish Republic of North Cyprus after the 1974 invasion and partition. Since 200,000 Greek Cypriots refugeed south and only 50,000 Turkish Cypriots refugeed north, there were about 150,000 "abandoned" homes in the north just begging for purchase (cheap, no questions asked, please!) without a valid deed. And of course there were plenty of takers among Europeans who wanted somewhere cheap to retire, or a reasonably priced vacation home. Completely against international law, of course.
On the same subject, I don't know how it is that a union has got advice that it is illegal to simply call for a boycott of Israeli academics and yet a British Town Hall can host an event selling property to Jews only in illegally occupied territory.
Meanwhile, don't forget that J-BIG and others will be picketing this event.
I am sure anything anyone who condemns the racist war criminals of the State if Israel does "is more likely to contradict any policies/principles of Brent council" than promoting zionist racism at Brent Town Hall. Clearly the council has no principles and its policy in this instance is to appease the racist war criminals of the State of Israel. All in all Rysk, I think this latest comment by you is as silly and dishonest as any. No wonder you don't want people to know who you are.
Betty Hunter noticeably distanced herself from the remarks of a leading JfJfP member condemning suicide bombers at a major pro-Palestinian rally in '02.
Anyway, I'm sure you will ignore these two points and revert to verbose hyperbole as is your wont.
Re Betty Hunter, distancing oneself from a speech doesn't mean anything with regard to each detail of that speech. And what has that to do with Brent Council? Are they saying that whilst ethnic cleansing and colonial settlement are ok, suicide bombings are not? And is that what you are saying?
It seems to me, you are just twittering as usual. The sale of properties in occupied territory is just plain wrong as is the sale of property to Jews only. Back in the nineteen seventies in the UK, National Front supporters tried to develop a campaign by putting up signs on their homes that read "For Sale to an English Family Only." Now, under the rule of a Jewish state, how does that differ from "For Sale to Jews Only?" Try answering without digressing into whatever Betty Hunter did or didn't do.
I remember when you first started coming here you made out that all Israel meant to you was a nice place to swim and sunbathe. Now you feel the need to "phone a friend" at Brent Council to see if racist policies are within their rules. You needn't have panicked, apparently they are. It's campaigning against Israel's (and your) racism that's a little bit tricky these days.
I bet you can't but go on, give it a go.
You should patent the mixture as an emetic.
(Also no expulsions, so no nakba, given no terror and no invasion. Weird. We'd wind up with the symbiosis envisioned in 181 and 194, if the Arab states and the Jihadias had been willing to let Israel exist unmolested.)
Unfortunately mainstream Palestinian nationalism has been represented by Jihad since '36, so such speculation is quaint--even if Bagatz and some other Israeli tendencies towards legalism try to prevail.
Was Ho Chi Minh and General Giap on "jihad" during Dien Bien Phu? How about George Washington at Valley Forge?
Well, Palestinians owned/controlled 94% of Mandate and now they own/control 0%
It wouldn't be interesting to speculate about the implications if zionists used only legal means to acquire Mandate Palestine from its true owners, up to the present day -
- zionists would still have only 6% of Mandate Palestine, at most.
True, but not very interesting speculation.
...and some other Israeli tendencies towards legalism try to prevail.
- zionists, law-abiding!
Shurely shome mishtake!
Evidently formally educated, all the rules of logic and evidence are negated, complementing the perennial negation of the most rudimentary moral principles.
The defense of one's body, soul, livelihood, inheritance is labelled 'jihad'.
Beneath this, we have the staggering implicit claim that the centre of anti-Jewry and anti-Semitism in the 20th century was actually the Arab world!
The svengalis that invented electric shock therapy for troubled minds stuffed around with a second-class solution. Zionism is the failsafe method of lobotomisation.
The sad thing, I think, is this propensity for sheer instinctive dishonesty has become a habit of mind with many, maybe most, Jews. It's part of the culture now and it'll be a hard slog shifting it. I think as communities, the Jews are heading for a disaster thanks to this grotesque culture of deceit. I can't imagine what form this disaster will take but suppose it happens like a flash, in a moment. I wonder who will be identifying as Jews after it happens.
I was just reading this: http://www.alfredlilienthal.com/...om/
zionamer.htm
The whole site is worth a look at but I find it a bit hard to navigate. Maybe it's me, I'm just a poor navigator.
A large proportion of the numbers of permitted Jewish immigration were not from German or Austrian refugees. the largest proportion were Poles - who faced popular anti-semitism but not on the scale of state-sponsored Nazi antisemitism - and many more were Zionist cadre from countries like Britain where they were unthreatened. 'Arab Lobbyists', which is Zionist-speak for the Palestinian national movement argued that burden of Jewish refugees should be borne equally worldwide. The Zionist movement, persecutor states like Nazi Germany and closed doors states like the US and Britain instead joined together to force the bruden solely on Palestine.
The odd thing is that I would agree with you that the OneState-rs are the last best hope, but can't see any way to get there.
- Nope, I certainly don't.
I believe taht the truth is the sole narrative, or anything that confroms as closely as possible to the rigours of empirically verifiable data, based on a few well-tested sound principles and ideas.
...engaging the Israelis who are tired of the endless conflict...
- Well my best advice is that, instead of blaming the victims of Israeli racist imperialism, these poor tired put-upon Israelis should get in touch with their own government, who are the ones responsible for their ennui
The odd thing is that I would agree with you that the OneState-rs are the last best hope, but can't see any way to get there.
- Step Number 1
The vicious, racist, ethnic cleansers of the Israeli government to get out of Palestine (West Bank and Gaza) - this can be accomplished almost overnight as I speak, and has been a possibility ever since 1967.
- Step Number 1A
The racist apartheid Israeli regime to abide by international law and to abolish its unique apartheid laws.
- Step Number 2
Once the above bona fides of the Israeli regime have been established, all parties can take it from there
ie one-state, two-states, no-states such as big EU-type borderless confederation made up of Lebanon, Jordan, Israel and Palestine etc
On my part? Actually, you want MORE ex-Israelis like me, not less--people in Exile whose homeland consists of Hebrew literature, the Jewish religion, and a few recipes. And "next year in Jerusalem, the rebuilt." So I guess that makes me a Saidian.
How many Jihad obsessives do you know who would vote Balad? It's not reductionist to say that mainstream Palestinian nationalism has a terror and xenophobia problem the same way Zionism has a settlement expansion problem. And I agree with you that state structures are an essential part of the impasse.
Thanks for the latest Arab-Israeli article. The medical sector is probably the most likely candidate for some kind of national service, as it is the best-functioning fully-integrated element of state and society.
Rapid Responses to
LETTERS: Derek A Summerfield
Royal Society of Medicine under attack by pro-Israel doctors
BMJ 2007; 335: 842-b [Full text]
From the final comment on the thread, written by Hadas Ziv in Tel Aviv -
Today, I am on my way to the High Court of Justice were we struggle for the right of eleven patients in need of urgent health care unavailable in Gaza. Their requests to enter Israel - to receive treatment or to reach Jordan or the West Bank - were rejected by the Israeli General Security Service. Thus, they are sentenced to prologned suffering and death.
So much for eurosabra's fabled integrated Israeli medical services.
..people like Hamas need to understand that people like me are also the natives.
- I think people like Hamas understand only too well the reality of having vicious lying racist scum like you for neighbours, only too well!
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Urgent-care Gazans were f*cked as far as Israeli medical care went the moment the young lady heading for the emergency room in Be'erSheva with a bomb was caught. I disagree with that decision, as an experienced MDA medic, but do not see how the state is going to be budged, "once bitten, twice shy." Security trumps everything, and Hamas/Jihad made the security of emergency rooms and protection from Red Crescent ambulances transporting bombs an issue. I think the Israelis, given the time-frame, could easily transfer them in Israeli ambulances with adequate security, assuming no one needs immediate evacuation for resuscitation. Incidentally, this is one of the major problems with trying to oppose a democratic state at war: the relevant people can all protest, but the security people trump the medical experts, because in fact power in Israeli society is TOO diffuse compared to the govt.
Simply awful, as usual.
- You're like an old comedian, using the same material, before the same audience - please, try and keep one of my favourite bloggers jaded palate from going stale. I'd hate to miss him!
I don't know how many times you have used this one incident, eurosabra, over the few years I've been unfortunate enough to share blog comments with you.
First, you talk about how brilliant Israeli medicine is. It's pointed out to you how complicit in Israeli racist war crimes the Israeli medical profession is, and using very, very up to date evidence in order to do so I might add - but, hey presto!! it's all the Palestinian's fault the Israeli medical services aren't so integrated after all!
So, now that your stale old farcical comedy routine is shown to be just that, you blame the audience, as well as the Palestinians!
Simply awful, as usual.
- I couldn't put it better myself.
Get yourself some new material before we all die laughing!
Eurosabra has repeatedly stated this despite the fact that no evidence for it exists beyond the claims of the Israeli government and military.
are used as a form of collective punishment against Palestinians because Palestinians object to illegal Israel occupation and ethnic cleansing -
- but it's all the fault of the victims of Israeli war crimes.
In the space of a few comments euro-balloon has went from praising the one thing they consider works in the Israeli state (not so of course, its the Israeli military) - to slagging off Palestinians as security threats and terrorists and extremists blah, blah de blah.
As we all know,
the number of times the Israeli military has deliberately targetted medical facilities and medical staff is numberless and continuous, as this is an occupation and that is what occupations are all about -
- but zionist extremists need just one example of a crime committed by their sub-human slaves, and it will be forever recycled as an example of how you can't trust these darn nigras'.
I have met two ex-IDf soldiers neither of whom can be considered friends of the settler movements with firsthand experience of such happenings.
Since the majority of press in all english-speaking countries is pro-Israel, this is the weakest piece of apologia i've seen produced by Rysk on this site.
I've tried a quick search for 'IDF Using Ambulances' - and most of the results have came back about Arabs/Palestinians using ambulances (to commit terrorist acts)!
Bloody hilarious how the western propaganda system works - it even gives you the 'opposite', if you like, of what it is you are searching for!
And doubley so, as all the crimes involving ambulances are perpetrated by the Israeli security forces!
And as you know James O,
neither you, nor I, nor anyone else who cares about justice and about the plight of Palestinians would ever dream of apologising for or try to excusing crimes committed by Palestinians - unlike zionists, who excuse away, or apologise, or just plain support Israeli crimes such as the IDF using ambulances to commit acts of violence, etc.
I am not refering here to legitimate acts by the Palestinian Resistence Movement when it comes apologising for or excusing away these acts - resistence against illegal occupation is perfectly legal and above board and needs no apology or excuse.
all the best mate!
Logic can't really be used to assess the pro-Israeli-ness or not of this or that newspaper. It's a matter of observation. That being the case, show us some links to the ant-Israel op-eds in the Guardian or Independent newspapers.
Apart from the fact that logic has nothing to do with the presence or abscence of empirical evidence (unless you're discussing high falutin' metaphysical stuff such as 'free-will' 'necessity' and 'pre-determinism', but then again, are these empirically based concepts? etc) -
- I have never came across any decent study which proves 'the press' here in Britian isn't pro-Israel - indeed I find quite the opposite.
Bad News from Israel
by Greg Philo
15 July 2004
ZNet ZMag.org
download available here -
Glasgow University Media Group downloads
Greg Philo's 3 year study study is about TV coverage, but as the authors say, 80% of the population get their news via TV, also journalist careers are interchangeable between TV and newspapers, and newspapers are far more bias and blatent in their views than that of TV stations in Britian, so the British press will be, and is, even more bias than TV.
Ambulances etc -
If 'security trumped everything'
then the Israeli government would make peace tomorrow, give up its illegal military occupations and its ethnic cleansing of Palestine (WB & G) -
- so obviously security is being 'trumped' by something more important to the current Israeli regime, and I thing Mark is on the, er, mark on what is more imprtant to the Israeli regime than 'security'.
As I have said,
look at the way this one single, alleged, incident of Palestinian culpability eurosabra refers to is recycled again and again in order to justify, excuse, apologise for and support all and every crime committed by the Israeli regime.
"If terrorists can do it, then so can we" - isn't a defence, but an admission of guilt of war crimes.
And compared to medical abuses carried out by Palestinians, which you'd be lucky if you needed more than the back of a fag packet to write them all down, you'd need a good-sized book to record the Israeli government's medical abuses and crimes - ongoing as we speak this very moment!
all the best JSF
ps
this looks interesting by the same author(s) -
Israel and Palestine: Competing Histories
by Greg Philo and Mike Berry (2006)
Joe90: Is it collective punishment to deny Palestinians access to a care system that their non-state actors have attempted to attack? Is Israel OBLIGATED to provide care KNOWING that a successful attack is only a matter of time, since Hamas/Jihad/Al-Aqsa allow no medical immunity (as Benny Porat's death indicates)? And what of the fact that the likely victims of such an attack belong to ALL sectors of the Israeli society, and all ages? I'm sure you'll come up with a lovely "tu quoque" response, but I hold no brief for IDF while your Scottish group supports "Palestine" tout court.
I suggest Bill Whittle's essay "Sanctuary" for a discussion of the erosion of civilian and medical immunity through terror, if you can stomach a neocon view.
Is this the best rationale you can come up with, now that all your inhuman racist twaddle and support for unspeakable cruelty and suffering has been shown for what it is, surely even you know this is scraping the dregs out the bottom of the barrel of human incredulity?
Mind you, you have spewing out this stuff for years - who knows, you have probably even come to believe it too.
…Assuta's medical director, Dr. Orna Ophir…admitted that the Cobalt 60 machine did not meet the accepted standard in Israel and that the use made of it at Assuta was solely to meet the needs of the Palestinian Authority. At the meeting, Bendel reproached Ophir, saying that Assuta had found a way to make money from a service it couldn't sell to Israelis. Bendel says Ophir confirmed this and even added, as the lawsuit says, that she saw no ethical problem in selling an out-of-date treatment to Palestinians. "It's not my problem," she told the shocked Bendel and Meller.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...ges/ 924564.html
I agree that it's dishonest (or at best self-deceiving) to fetishize Israel as a security buffer for Jews or as only-democracy-technological-wonder-et-bleeding-
cetera
in-the-Mid-East.
But such images are prevalent among Americans, Jewish or not. I also know quite a few Jews who care about Israel and don't make apologetics for its behavior.
I have no doubt that the Israel Medical Association could and should insist on free access for Palestinians over the objections of the Border Police, simply because it is the proper thing to do, but if the Border Police simply aren't letting people through, a Supreme Court injunction is the only answer, and I have the impression that that route IS being tried. Part of the problem is that as a democratic polity, Israel does not offer enough points d'appui for a minority of physicians to pressure either their professional organisation or the Supreme Court. You need a majority of either voters or the Knesset. Oddly and cynically, the separation of executive power means that settlement can proceed with the support of the PM and a section of the cabinet alone. National mission and all that.
May Hamas avoid temptation THIS time, for the good of dialysis patients across the West Bank. (And the IDF, too, for that matter. I don't care much about anything but avoiding extra non-naturally-occurring holes in patients and neither side has an exactly stellar track record.)
She's a liar James O and that's all there is about it.
I am read John Pilger's
'Freedom Next Time' at the mo, and from about p83 to p92 he talks about Israeli war crimes against the health services of occupied Palestine.
John says that in Israel its regarded as 'a given' that Palestine Red Crescent ambulances are used to transport explosives.
Here is an excerpt from page 89 of 'Freedom Next Time' -
[start of excerpt]
From Geneva, the International Red Cross, which normally remains aloof from such controversy, issued an extraordinary statement. There is, says the ICRC,
"an ongoing campaign of disinformation and slander against the Palestine Red Crescent Society. The ICRC has expressed on many occassions to members of the Israeli Government and Defence Forces its grave concerns about the repreated accusations against the PRCS that are being conveyed through the media. Despite numerous ICRC requests, the [Israeli military] has never presented concrete evidence implicating PRCS members in acts of violence against Israelis when carrying out their missions...The accusations amount to a systematic propaganda campaign which threatens the entire humanitarian mission as they cast a shadow of suspicion and mistrust on those seeking to deliver badly needed assistence"
[end of exceprt]
ICRC
'Memorandum: Lack of Protection and Respect for Ambulances in the Occupied Territories'
Geneva 07 March 2002
If you want anymore info James O, I will be more than happy to type out some more extracts from John Pilger - in fact I might do it anyway!
All the best mate!
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Yes euroasian,
but the track record of the IOF is far more stellar than anything its victims are capable of - in fact, if it wasn't for the illegal IOF racist occupation and ethnic cleansing, its victims wouldn't have a record.
John Pilger again, page 85 -
[start]
Dr Mustafa Barghouti, the Director of the Palestinian Health Policy Instituted in Ramallah studied an eight-month period to May 2001. He wrote:
"More than 500 Palestinians were killed and 23,000 injured. One third of the casualties were children; more than 60 per cent were shot while in their homes, schools or workplaces"
[end]
'Palestinians Won't be Forced Out Again'
Mustafa Barghouti
31 May 2001
'Freedom Next Time' (2006)
page 89
[start]
The Israeli army says that Palestine Red Crescent ambulances are used to transport explosives. In Israel, I found that people regarded this as a given. In fact, there has been one allegation that a bomb was found in an ambulance, and the Red Crescent has vigorously denied the authenticity of the reported incident, describing it as a conspiracy to discredit it. The Israeli human rights organisation B'Tselem says that 'despite repeated requests by human rights organisations and others, the [Israeli military] spokesperson has never provided any evidence supporting his claims that the Palestinians make "cynical use" of ambulances...documentation has never been disclosed'
[end of excerpt]
B'Tselem
'Impeding Medical Treatment and Firing at Ambulances by IDF Soldiers in the Occupied Territories: A Special Report'
March 2002
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=c...ng_en&
inlang=en
seems obsessed with Wafa Idris despite the fact the only connection Wafa had with the Palestine Red Crescent is that she worked with them.
The fact Wafa was a Palestinian medic meant, of course, she was a routine target for asiasabra's heroes in the racist iof.
Wafa and her brother were born in a refugee camp. She had been shot twice whilst on medical duty, her mother had a deformed leg due to being shot by an Israeli and her brother spent 10 years in an Israeli jail.
Here are a few more reasons why 28 year old Wafa may have decided to take some of her tormentors and oppressors with her when she went -
John Pilger, page 89 -
"A Palestinian Health Policy Institute survey over two years recorded the deaths of seventy-three babies at 'military checkpoints, barriers and trenches' and found that many women facing difficult deliveries had no choice but to give birth with no medical help."
Palestine Monitor
17 dec 2002
Also from page 89 -
"An ambulance makes little difference. During an eighteen-month period, the Israeli organisation Physicians for Human Rights monitored Palestinians seeking urgent medical care, such as women in labour and patients needing kidney dialysis and cancer treatment. It found 221 instances of ambulances being turned back at checkpoints, resulting in twenty-nine deaths"
Toomey
Sunday Times magazine
03 Mar 2002
I came across this accidently whilst looking for the above articles -
here is some charming footage of the sons and daughters of Israel practicing their world-famous social skills -
Footage of Israeli Soldiers Beating Palestinian Children Proof that Checkpoints are Sites of Ongoing Human Rights Violations
Palestine Monitor
17 Aug 2007
Never forgotting of course, that the first suicide bombing in Afula (06 April 1994) was in response to Dr Death, Baruch Goldstein's massacre at Cave of the Patriachs' Mosque in illegaly occupied Hebron on the 25 February.
Hebronites were punished for being massacred, by being subjected to months and months of military curfews by their Israeli occupiers - and a small shrine was erected to the American monster's memory in the middle of Hebron!
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