Exterminate all Jews everywhere. At least Mark Elf agrees. He may imagine we are secret Jews here to smear him, but we're not. We're the real deal. Thank you. Kill them all.
The anti Jew | 06.28.08 - 2:24 pm | #

The anti Jew - you are a complete imbecile whose ip barely differs from the one you used to "edit" Wikipedia about two years ago. Here, go look at yourself. You are a Jewish zionist who used to use (and maybe you still use) the name "cato". If I agreed with exterminating all Jews everywhere that would include me you idiot! Or perhaps I've misunderstood and you really do want Jews exterminated everywhere bar Israel which of course brings us back to Hungary 1944. Nope, it can't be that. You're such a committed zionist you live in the zionists' promised land, the USA.

Bye bye cato
Mark Elf (aka levi9909) | Homepage | 06.28.08 - 4:34 pm | #

It is extraordinary that those like Cato would play with anti-semitic and racist abuse like this: almost as if they didn't really take the subject very seriously.
johng | 06.28.08 - 7:45 pm | #

I've had that guy filling whole screens with "fuck the Jews" before now. It's also extraordinary that they find the time.

What is curious is that if you noticed JeremyHP's allegation that I am antisemitic, he (JeremyHP) thinks it's more important to smear someone who criticises Israel than it is to take on someone who says "Exterminate all Jews everywhere." Another one who doesn't take antisemitism seriously. Lucky it's only a marginal prejudice these days. I'm sure most Jews wouldn't be ready if the real thing reared its head again in a big way.
Mark Elf (aka levi9909) | Homepage | 06.28.08 - 9:37 pm | #

very good post, Mark.
evildoer | 06.29.08 - 3:28 pm | #

Thanks Gabriel - the comment will probably get disappeared though. I'm having a bit of aggravation with the mods at Cif at the minute. I don't think they want to side with the zionists but they are too willing to succumb to pressure from them.

This is the most recent comment I've had deleted from Cif. It was a response to an article by the Cif editor, Matt Seaton in which he claimed to have hosted a debate on "Jewish refugees from Arab countries":

Matt - you say that you have run a debate on the Jews who left Arab countries in the years/decades after Israel was established in 1948. This is true, there has been a debate on the Jews who left Arab countries in 1948. The trouble is that you went and spoiled it by saying that the debate was "on Jewish refugees from Arab countries." Not so. Not all of the Jews who left Arab countries did so as refugees. In fact of the three articles I saw, David Cesarani, Lyn Julius and Rachel Shabi, only the first tries to pass the Jews who left Arab countries off as refugees. The others quite rightly point out that some left the Arab world for economic reasons, some for zionist reasons, some because they felt more comfortable with the former colonial rulers of a given Arab state and some of course left (Iraq and Egypt) as a result of false flag operations by Israeli agents.

My point here isn't to re-open debates that have closed, it is to point out that you claim to have hosted a debate and in the same sentence you take sides in that debate, in my and in many others' opinion including, it seems, David Cesarani's, the wrong side. Israel/Palestine is an issue bedevilled by the fact that terminology is often loaded to one side or other. Saying "Israel" is considered too zionistic for some and saying "Palestine" is too anti-zionist for some others but in the case of Jews who left Arab countries following the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 has a perfectly neutral term to describe it and it should have been used on this occasion.
Mark Elf (aka levi9909) | Homepage | 06.29.08 - 4:48 pm | #

Anybody wanna argue about whether Zionism (for US Jews) is a political stance or an expression of social and psychological pathology?

I'm starting to think at some point it became mostly the latter. What say you, Cato?
mooser42001 | Homepage | 07.01.08 - 4:26 pm | #

The one Arab government which might
be said to have "expelled" Jews was that of the pro-British monarchy in pre-1958 Iraq. Trouble is all the evidence suggests that it did so in collusion with the State of Israel.
Without going into the matter of who plnted bombs when Iraqi Jews did not want to leave, or whether those who overthrew the Iraqi monarchy can be held liable for its crimes, the fact is that the PLO did adopt a policy in the 1970s of urging Arab states to welcome back Jews who had left. Morocco did attract some back, for one thing because it valued their skills, and I don't think Israel or its fans were too happy about this.
At a UN NGOs conference some years back the PLO representative urged that all Middle East refugees be offered the right of return or compensation as part of a comprehensive peace settlement. He emphasised that he included Jews from Iraq among those. Some Jews have remained in Iraq all along anyway, though with everything that country has gone through, both under Saddam Hussein and at the hands of the imperialists, and its present state of occupation and chaos, it is not that attractive for any exiled Iraqis,Muslims and Christians let alone Jews. It would also need compensation itself from the Western powers before it could afford to compensate anyone else.
Still, if Alderman and co are serious they should acknowledge that the Palestinians, driven out by Israel before any exodus of Jews, have had a decent and principled attitusde on all this. They could even try listening to the experience and opinions of the Iraqi and other Arab Jews. But that would require more honesty from the Zionist and biased Ashkenazi lobby than we have come to expect.
Charles Pottins | Homepage | 07.01.08 - 6:55 pm | #

http://www.ha-keshet.org.il/ engl...lish_index.html
Luther Blissett | 07.01.08 - 9:10 pm | #