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Oh man this gets more hilarious every day!
Back when "Raheleio" was "cool", Avidor claimed that he was anti-PRT. Now that he's in some hot water, Avidor reverses his claim and says he's pro-PRT! Does it get any more transparent than that? Yet another Avidor flip-flop, brought to you exclusively by Lloydletta.
As for the rest of his propaganda post, he forgot again to mention that the European Union supports PRT:
http://ec.europa.eu/research/
env...cle_2650_en.htm
By the way, this EU report came out after a 3 year government sponsored research project (EDICT) which included dozens of researchers and independent consultants, yet Lloydletta continues to promote the deception that nobody has investigated it. This is a complete fabrication on the part of Lloydletta.
I hate to keep repeating myself in these comments, but as long as Lloydletta keeps shovelling this crap, I'm going to be here to set the record straight.
Very easy to clear this up:
AHS's "Rahelio Soleil" should let us know if his post on PRT was a satire of PRT or was he serious about me being "anti-American" and a "liberal kook-aid drinker".
Unless Rahelio Soleil is a functionary of the EU, Avidor is again ignoring the ATE's substantive challenge--that the EU's activities show PRT has been exhaustively investigated.
But he only cares if reporters investigate--except for those he slams for writing "puff pieces."
Here it is, possibly the most crucial midterm election in decades and Avidor's #1 issue today is the 'vast PRT conspiracy.'
Maybe you two guys would like to talk to an investigative reporter?
I don't think anyone in Minnesota cares what that E.U report says. Minnesota Transit advocates Transit for Livable Communities and the Sierra Club North Star both have resolutions opposing public funding for PRT:
Transit for Livable Communities:
http://www.tlcminnesota.org/
Reso....htm#NoStatePRT
The Sierra Club North Star:
http://
www.northstar.sierraclub....tion200404.html
You continue to lie about this, Avidor! There have been critical analyses of PRT! Systems have been safety approved by government regulatory agencies to carry passengers (Cabintaxi, ULTra) and prototypes have actually run with human passengers! Not to mention EDICT and other studies that have validated the concept. How much more validation do you require?
Here's a summary of the roadmap you continue to follow in these debates:
(1) Demand that a media entity conduct an investigative report to "debunk" PRT.
(2) When reliable independent authorities do investigate and inevitably find that PRT is viable, ignore those reports.
(3) Go to (1).
In other words, your arguments are inherently circular: whenever an investigator comes to a different conclusion than you, you immediately discount said investigator as a "pod person" who wrote a "puff piece". You will never accept any conclusion other than "PRT is a fraud". The truth is, you are the fraud. You continue to intentionally ignore the reams of evidence supporting PRT, in order to sustain the deception that PRT is not viable.
It's Propaganda 101 - start with a simple lie, ignore the debunkers, and repeat the lie over and over again until it sticks.
For those not familiar with A.T.E:
A.T.E. got himself banned from the Seattle P.I. web forum for ranting and raving.
Here's another example of A.T.E's unhinged ranting.
Putting the PRT myth to rest for good
"Like gold standard crazies, intelligent design ideologues and cold-fusion enthusiasts, Personal Rapid Transit nuts see something the rest of the world doesn't see and think they are visionaries as a result. Since there is no "true" PRT system anywhere in the world for these people to spend all day riding around in, they spend their time comment-spamming blogs like ours. A similar blog, publictransit.us, had enough of it and decided to fact-check the PRT claims. They found claims of systems that don't exist and studies that were never conducted.
Here we go again, Avidor walking through all his well-debunked talking points.
It's funny... Eric Zaetsch recently quoted Josef Goebbels on DumpBachmann:
"The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed... The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly... it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."
And here we have Avidor, repeating the same ridiculous allegations over and over again... big, simplistic lies like "PRT is a right wing anti-transit conspiracy". Lies so big that people believe them, and repeated so frequently that even the reasonable are swayed towards ridiculous conclusions.
Maybe Zaetsch and the rest of the Lloydlettas should focus on the propagandist in their own midst, before accusating others of Nazi tactics...
By the way, I'm still waiting for an explanation on how Europe fits into the right wing conspiracy... still nothing from the Lloydlettas on that one. Are you still trying to convince us that countries like Sweden are conspiring with the religious right?!
Yes, that's right: Sweden, a nation where Kerry would be a conservative, is building a PRT test track. But Lloydletta still claims PRT is a right wing conspriacy. Ridiculous!
A.T.E., do you still think Zimmermann was "framed"?
I don't know if Zimmermann was framed, nor do I care (I never did). You're the one who's obsessed with Zimmermann, so much so that you were willing to put up a false blog (not unlike "Rahelio" did... hmmm....) to attack him.
But let's get back to the matter at hand: how does the EU involvement in PRT mesh with your claim that PRT is a right wing conspiracy? How does a socialist-leaning nation like Sweden get involved in a right wing plot?
Are you going to stick by your PRT "right wing conspiracy" claims? And if so, does this mean that Sweden is "the new Kansas"?
I'm 99.44% sure I will not get a serious answer to these questions.
A.T.E.: "I don't know if Zimmermann was framed, nor do I care (I never did)."
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A.T.E.-9/6/06:
Are you the same Avidor that used "Luddington" to launch slimy tag-team attacks on Zimmermann and PRT?
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...50929693931051/
Where is the word "frame" in that sentence? The sliminess refers to the fact that you were using a fake identity to support and augment your true identity, to make it appear that others supported your positions.
In many ways, that's more despicable than what "Rahelio" did, but you'll never hear the Lloydlettas admit that.
In any event I never called it a "frame". That's yet another Lloydletta lie.
And, I might add, stop changing the subject. Why do you refuse to answer the simple question: how does the left-leaning EU's endorsement with PRT mesh with the Lloydletta "PRT is a right wing conspiracy" claim?
Anyone? Anyone? Could it be that the PRT "right wing conspiracy" stuff was all just one big... {gasp}... lie??!
Why do you use a "fake" identity?
No, Avidor, I don't use a "fake" identity, in the sense that I don't use A.T.E. to "talk to myself" and fake support for an issue. As Luddington, you repeatedly said stuff like "check out Avidor's web site", and vice-versa (your roadkillbill Zimmermann attack page still credits Luddington as a source!).
Luddington is a deception - your intent was to convey the impression that a third party was endorsing your (Avidor's) views. This kind of false identity is called a sock puppet, and is almost universally condemned, especially in the journalistic community.
Of course, we're in the land of "I'm not a journalist, but I play one on my blog", so crap like deceptive sock puppets is tolerated. A real journalist would be canned immediately for such behavior (indeed, they have been). In this case, Lloydletta didn't even condemn your deception, which can only be interpreted as an implicit endorsement of the tactic.
Quite ironic that Lloydletta is now condemning Rahelio for pulling the same stunt. But these blogs have never shied away from a little hypocrisy...
In the case of my pseudonym, A.T.E., what you see is what you get. I have no other involvement in Minnesota politics, PRT, or Wikipedia, except through my A.T.E. pseudonym (or the shortened ATren handle).
Do you get it now, Ken? The purpose of a pseudonym like A.T.E. is privacy; the purpose of a sock puppet is deception. "Rahelio" and your "Ned Luddington" were deceptions, pure and simple.
And, again, nice attempt to change the subject - now back to the real question: have you dug up any information on which members of Sweden's socialist-dominated government are active in the great right wing PRT conspiracy?
I'm still waiting. Why won't you answer my question?
Whatever....
Well looky here: we made it to the "Whatever..." response in a mere 14 messages! I think that's a record!
But still no answer to my simple question about the EU support. Hmmmm....
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