This is just infuriating, how women force the next generation into the same subjugation they endured instead making the world a better place for daughters.
How much more calculating and pre-meditated could it have been?
The comments on the article in al-ghad website is what puts the icing on the cake. This just shows how much we need a huge campaign about this. If religion itself condemned it, what more do you need, i don't get it!?!?!?! It must be a truely messed up society that convinced a mother to kill her own daughter. Oh well, happy mother's day.
It's shame to have such judge
Lina, can you change the font size and type for the blog 
, it's hard to read and looks like M$ art
Lina, some laws you can question because it is "cool" and "trendy". some you cannot, this is one of the hip subjects, so feel free... But please, no talking about any officials.
As for this: The thing is we are not going to see any change in our life time. From the way things are going i do not think it is gonna change in the next few generations either. here is how it goes:
The sad thing is not that she killed her daughter, i can even say the act itself is besides the point. A penalty for murder might have stopped her from doing it, but this would not change a thing either. Just the simple fact that the solution to a daughter's problem would be killing her is absurd, the other sister's collaboration shows the younger generation does not seem to differ at all. And for once, i cannot blame this on religion.
If change is to happen it will happen through education and a slow process of reversing all the social criteria of what is right and what is wrong. A mother killed her daughter, and the other daughter helped, we are not that far from the tribe mentality as some people would like to think.
As always, education, education and education.
I always believe that the woman missed rights are mainly women accounting for since many are not willing to fight
Very disturbing. Conflicts in relationships is understable. But what's worrying is lack of an effective mechanism -- like counselling -- to resolve them; leading to horrendous incidents like this.
I agree with anonymous: punishment doesn't cure the real issue here, which is about a mentality. It's true; women raise their daughters to subscribe to discrimination. Ignorance is the mother of devotion. When you don't know your rights, you're more likely to defenselessly watch them get violated.
Last week, a student in our university gave a lecture about domestic violence and honor crimes. The conclusion he came up with was this: Yes, it's gonna take generations. Yes, we might not live to see a change, but the change needs to start at some point. The fact that it's so hard doesn't mean we should give up and be watchers. Start with yourself, with your children, with your sisters and brothers. Be and raise a human being who's responsible for his own mistakes and his own honor, a free person who doesn't need to control some else to feel more existent.
الكل يحس بس ولا واحد يطلع حس
(DAM)
okey, so she let her daughter out, and when she committed a crime she killed her ..
ohh wait a second ! that's how god works, he put the sins for us, and when we commit them he kills us and let us burn in hell ! ... I think the mother did a right thing, or god is wrong.
hi lina!
do they have to specify what the reduced legal motive is in these cases? e.g. passion or honor? or is it just a clause in the law that the judge can use for anything he likes?
Tim
It's true. It's never the religion's fault, it's the tribal mentality's fault. In Islam if unmarried man/woman do zina the penalty is canning not murder. And the mother also guilty of killing the baby, her grandchild. As far as fiqh is concerned the daughter's sin is cleansed but the mother is sinning from murdering 2 muslim souls.
I really pity all of the Arabs because of this, just think, no other race in the world are doing or having the mentality like you have. I AM A MUSLIM, but not Arab, and in my country Islam is practised with justice, not like this. If a woman is found guilty of zeena, so there must be the man who is guilty and be punished too.
Seems like the Rasul s.a.w. try to bring the Arab civilisation and leave Jahiliyyah, but now you all leave in jahiliyyah mix with Islam, where the rights are only given to the men, but the women is still treated like in jahiliyyah. Shame on ALL OF YOU. YOU ALL bring disgust to Islam.
Thats why the Rasul was sent to Arabs, and th eQuran is in Arabic, its so the worst race on the Earth should be corrected... but till now... it just cause more problem because most ignorant Arabs try to relate low Arabic tradition as Islamic law.
Plus... I am glad now that I divorced my ex Jordanian husband... I cant imagine how my life will be if I live in Jordan, may be I will be killed without any reason
I've worked on this at length, for years and years.
One thing many people fail to realize is that, in late 1999/early 2000, when there was a big push to overturn Article 340 of the penal code (which the Speaker of the Lower House told me has never actually been used in a dishonor killing defense. . .usually it's Article 98, the fit of fury article), it not only failed, but it resulted in Parliament going back and changing the wording of the code to cover murders by women, too. In other words, they not only didn't make things better, they theoretically doubled the number of people who can take advantage of the lax penalties for these crimes.
I'm a professional marketer, and I can assure you that what is not needed is a social marketing campaign. That would be a complete waste of money. Much more targeted, sustained, systematic efforts are needed.
I conducted a nationwide survey on dishonor killings in Jordan. I interviewed a representative sample of the country (urban and rural, Muslim and not, men and women, young and old, wealthy and not, educated and not, East Bank and West Bank Jordanians, etc.). Almost nine out of 10 people told me they already support tougher penalties for these crimes. Another small percentage didn't give a hoot one way or another. So it is just a very small percentage of the population that "believes" in these crimes.
When I looked at who these folks are, I analyzed--systematically, empirically, objectively, scientifically--every single variable in my survey against every other variable. The only ones that were statistically significant were age (older tend to believe in them), education (less educated tend to believe in them), and employment status (the unemployed and the retired tend to believe in them, but the latter would also be correlated with age). I didn't find gender differences, I didn't find that people who live in Amman are more enlightened about these crimes than people who live in refugee camps, I didn't find people with money more humane than people without, I didn't find any of the other variables that are all part of the conventional wisdom in Jordan.
I did find that about 20% of the people in my survey (erroneously) believe Islam tells them they must avenge affronts to family honor through murder. I found women less knowledgable about their rights than men. So, obviously, there are implications to all this, things that need to be done (e.g., overturn Articles 97, 98, and 340; build some shelters; educate people, including in the mosques; employ people).
But, rest assured, a large campaign isn't what is needed. It might make some people feel like they are doing something, but it would only be preaching to the choir. Much more nuanced, targeted, sustained actions and efforts are what are needed. They're not as glamourous and fun, but they will be much more effective in bringing down the number of deaths.
In case anyone is wondering, yes, I've shared the res
Was cut off.
I'd just ended the above with a paragraph saying I've shared the results of my work with senior members of the royal family, with the leaders of both houses of Parliament, and with others in a position to change things for the better. In fact, I just earlier this week wrote again to His Majesty about this subject. There are solutions to this problem, and they really needn't take generations. Please don't sell yourselves and your countrymen and women so short.
Ellen R. Sheeley, Author
"Reclaiming Honor in Jordan"
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