Republicans have been throwing missiles at police in riot gear
Suggest you avoid that sectarian language. Call them RSF if you have evidence, or yobs, or whatever.
There'll be enough Unionists saying what you've written in tomorrow's newspapers.
Loose lip, sink ship
Do you yield?
It just shows you that it only takes a few gobshites to cause mayhem.
You have to wonder what sort of Ireland RSF want if this is how they behave - idiots.
Some photos of it over at Back Seat Drivers...
This is exactly what the Love Ulster organisers wanted.
Frazer's comments about the marchers being prepared to carry banners commemorating one of the the uvf/udr men who carried out the Dublin bombings was clearly an attempt to provoke a reaction.
Those who chose to react by attacking the gardai and businesses in the capital have nothing to contribute to this society, rsf and their followers should crawl back under their rock and rot.
Thugs and hooligans who are unable to grasp the fact that the rest of us are trying to move towards a society free from the violence of the past.
This surprises, though it shouldn't. I did not expect this violent a reaction.
The rioters, whether they be " Real IRA " fans, Anarchist fellow travellers, or young punks looking for a thrill, should be dealt with very firmly.
The " real IRA " and their small number of supporters are not Republicans. Everything that they do is in opposition to the building of a peaceful, united, democratic United Ireland.
To the authorities, two modest proposals: again, deal with this lot with an iron hand.
And invite the marchers back one month from today.
I can accept the idea that the march was not a good idea in the first place, but a rabble of enemies of the people should not be in a position to prevent anything from happening.
UI
I was surprised that you chose to describe the rioting morons as Republicans.
I wouldn't regard that terminology as appropriate. These people have set themselves against the Republican project and have engaged in activities designed to create difficulties for Republicans.
I wouldn't be overly concerned at how they describe themselves (after all, Bertie's a socialist and Harney is Progressive).
I would expect more from you, judging by what I have seen so far.
I can't imagine that you were deliberately creating confusion over the identity of these idiots, but I have been wrong before(not very often, obviously).
If this is the kind of thing which awaits us in your "Ireland of Equals", I think I'll give it a miss if it's all the same.
Observer,
The BBC used that terminology if you check the link provided. I don't believe these people are true republicans at all. Even McDowell said that on RTE. They're scum and hopefully they will be dealt with.
Paul
"If this is the kind of thing which awaits us in your "Ireland of Equals", I think I'll give it a miss if it's all the same."
I would have expected better than that you, Paul. That's like me blaming the OO riots as a failure of the UK as a whole.
These people were thugs and have injured Irish officers and journalists. I can tell you right now that the mood here in Dublin is one of outrage at what these animals have done.
On another note, after listening to Ahern on the radio he has stated that the Gardaí have infomed him that a number of those involved had 'Northern accents'.
Make of that what you will.
"If this is the kind of thing which awaits us in your "Ireland of Equals", I think I'll give it a miss if it's all the same."
I would have expected better than that you, Paul. That's like me blaming the OO riots as a failure of the UK as a whole."
An initial and hasty overreaction on my part, but today was a clear demonstration of the raw hatred that exists against anything Unionist/British amongst a section of Irish Republicanism. I
I'm convinced even if it had been a planned march of purely "innocent" Unionist victims(and despite the black propaganda they do exist)we would have had exactly the same reaction.
"On another note, after listening to Ahern on the radio he has stated that the Gardaí have infomed him that a number of those involved had 'Northern accents'."
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
exists against anything Unionist/British amongst a section of Irish Republicanism.
... or indeed eventually constitutional nationalists: the rioters were calling the police "free state scum" as they threw bricks at them. Using such an anachronistic insult would be funny, at any other time.
P.
So glad I didn't decide to take a look. Didn't even realise there had been riots till I got home this afternoon.
A very sad day indeed.
Yes it is a "sad" day. A day when a bunch of moronic bastards were allowed to express their unwelcome rhetoric on the streets of Ireland. I am only glad that due to the fight put up by good Irish men that these biggoted twats didn't get to leave Parnell Square.
Peáder,
Open your eyes. The 'moronic bastards' were the ones who assaulted Irish officers and journalists.
To call them 'good Irish men' is ridiculous.
They haven't a clue about what Irish Republicanism is built upon.
They are the bigots and they don't reflect Irish society.
UI
All I can hear coming from you is echoes of the Wimmin (sic) of Dublin who spat at the patriots of '16. They accused them lads of being bastards and feckers for standing up to the mighty brits. It's always been the same, ya get those who support the occupiers and those who fight against them. There is no in between.
Perhaps you could tell me something I don't know about what Irish Republicanism is built on?
Peáder
"All I can hear coming from you is echoes of the Wimmin (sic) of Dublin who spat at the patriots of '16. They accused them lads of being bastards and feckers for standing up to the mighty brits"
Ridiculous analogy. IRISH officers were attacked, IRISH journalists were attacked. There was nothing heroic about Saturday's events.
"It's always been the same, ya get those who support the occupiers and those who fight against them. There is no in between."
What occupiers? This was criminal activity against the Irish state.
"Perhaps you could tell me something I don't know about what Irish Republicanism is built on?"
I'll give you a clue - it's to do with the colour on the far right of the Irish flag.
Here's Peader's "good Irish men", kicking the shit out of a Chinese guy, who they dragged from a convenience store on Westland Row:
http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~z/today...ay/
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I'm sure Pearse would be proud of them.
P.
"Ridiculous analogy. IRISH officers were attacked, IRISH journalists were attacked. There was nothing heroic about Saturday's events"
IRISH officers were protecting orange SCUM who should not have been in Ireland and should never have been in ireland. Jounalists put themselves in the firing line.
"What occupiers? This was criminal activity against the Irish state."
Is there still a 'border' in Ireland? Oh yes, there is ! Then I believe there are still occupiers. If the Irish Government and its agents decide to protect the status quo then there will be conflict.
"I'll give you a clue - it's to do with the colour on the far right of the Irish flag."
Yes, the 'FAR' right being a very apt turn of phrase to describe the scum which I refer to.
There will never be peace in Ireland until the far right loyalist orange bigots accept that they are wrong and Republicans are right. Like I said elswhere, loyalists, orangemen, etc are a race without a land. They need to realise this and just vanish. Either that or at least try to join the human race.
Where's the Chinese guy ?
Peáder
"IRISH officers were protecting orange SCUM who should not have been in Ireland and should never have been in ireland. Jounalists put themselves in the firing line."
Orange scum? They're Irish. they are recognised on the Irish flag. Do you not want a United Ireland?
"Is there still a 'border' in Ireland? Oh yes, there is ! Then I believe there are still occupiers."
You could argue there are occupiers in the North, but not in the South. The Irish Republic represents the people who elected them.
"If the Irish Government and its agents decide to protect the status quo then there will be conflict."
If marchers decide to attack people they regard as "scum" there will be conflict. Can they not argue their views like civil people? If not, what does that say about their views?
"Yes, the 'FAR' right being a very apt turn of phrase to describe the scum which I refer to."
Do you or do you not acknowledge that the Irish flag, which these marchers were draped in, acknowledges them?
For crying out loud, the Irish flag urges peace between green and orange. Do you get that?
"There will never be peace in Ireland until the far right loyalist orange bigots accept that they are wrong and Republicans are right."
There will never be peace in Ireland until both sides realise violence is unacceptable.
The violence today was not carried out by 'Republicans'. That's not what true republicanism is about. It's about "cherishing all the children of the nation equally".
Peader I just can't understand that kind of mentality.
Paul could you kindly stop tarring us all with the one brush. We are talking about 300 louts here, in a city of 1.2 million and a state of 4.2 million. In other words 1/10000th or 0.00001% of the population of the South. You will get criminals in any society. I think we can safely say we have far fewer of them down here than in the North. And on the Northern accents, it reflects further on how the South should not be tarred with this brush. I also point out that Willie Frazer told the Daily Ireland that he refused to rule the marchers carrying photos of Robert McConnell one of the Dublin-Monaghan bombers. McConnell was both a UDR and UDA member who slaughtered 55 Catholics. Surely bringing those sorts of banners on a march crosses the line between cultural expression and sectarian provocation?
Brian Boru
This is what I said
"An initial and hasty overreaction on my part, but today was a clear demonstration of the raw hatred that exists against anything Unionist/British amongst a section of Irish Republicanism."
note: I said "a section of Irish republicanism":Peader has given an example of this hatred. To people with his mentality it's still the philosophy of "One Colonist:One Bullet."
"I'm convinced even if it had been a planned march of purely "innocent" Unionist victims(and despite the black propaganda they do exist)we would have had exactly the same reaction."
Yes or no?
If I was the suspcious type, I'd suspect that Peader is actually a loyalist on a wind-up/propaganda mission.
Paul
"I'm convinced even if it had been a planned march of purely "innocent" Unionist victims(and despite the black propaganda they do exist)we would have had exactly the same reaction."
I should hope so. Like I said unionists and loyalists have been dictating the agenda for far too long. Now is the moment of the nationalist. If the loyalists, unionists and orange gits hadn't been such an arrogant, biggoted murdering bunch of bastard thug occupiers then I might say yes you can have a small place in a united Ireland but they weren't and aren't.
They do not want a united Ireland, they would rather be on the mainland, so lets give them their wish.
And let us not forget who the OCCUPIER is here, get real people they do not deserve forgiveness they deserve a few large car ferries alongside in larne to take them and their pillaged goods back to their fatherland. They deserve nothing more.
"If I was the suspcious type, I'd suspect that Peader is actually a loyalist on a wind-up/propaganda mission."
Dubliner
If he were making more spelling mistakes I'd be inclined to agree with you
Peadie(I hope you don't mind me getting informal here)
"And let us not forget who the OCCUPIER is here, get real people they do not deserve forgiveness they deserve a few large car ferries alongside in larne to take them and their pillaged goods back to their fatherland"
I'm sorry I am settling for nothing less than:
1.One business-class BA ticket to a destination of my choice(Larne ferry?, you're having a laugh).
2.My full coterie of native servants
3.Full compensation for my 100 room mansion on the Albertbridge Road.
4. An apology from the *real* Irish people for all the crappy weather and stroppy behaviour that we've had to put up with over the last 400 years.
If you can sort all that out, then we've got a deal
Love & Kisses
Your Repentant Colonial.
paul
"4. An apology from the *real* Irish people for all the crappy weather and stroppy behaviour that we've had to put up with over the last 400 years."
800 years actually, sure ya can't even get the friggin history right ya bollox.
Peáder
(Your loyalist agitator HA HA HA HA HA HA NOT!)
Jees, and I thought that me criticising the marchers maybe went a bit too far, your man peadar was probably there ffs, lets keep an eye on the names of those who end up doing time for their acts of *patriotism*.
"Now is the moment of the nationalist"
Fuckers. Ah well, 0.002% agree with them so thats him and his mate and his mates family then. Once he breeds with his sister there should be a few nmore RSF votes.
Peáder
For God's sake, man!
Do you want to bankrupt us?
We can't afford Paul's demands. Our only option is to convince him and his mates to stay.
That might be easier to do if people who think like you were given a ticket to a destination of your choice. It would certainly be a lot cheaper.
"And let us not forget who the OCCUPIER is here, get real people they do not deserve forgiveness they deserve a few large car ferries alongside in larne to take them and their pillaged goods back to their fatherland. They deserve nothing more"
You would feel right at home in the BNP Peader.
Paul, I have no way of knowing that. I accept that security arrangements were woefully inadequate though. We haven't had a Loyalist march in Dublin since 1936 and the govt figured that a low-key security presence would help create a calm atmosphere. Clearly this was a big mistake, especially giving the growing international anarchist violence we see at major events e.g. Mayday in London.
It cannot be stressed enough that RSF which appears to have had a hand in yesterday's events has no electoral representation in the South. There is no sizeable support in the South for what happened yesterday.
"We haven't had a Loyalist march in Dublin since 1936"
Brian Boru
I'm intrigued, what march was that?
"800 years actually, sure ya can't even get the friggin history right ya bollox."
Peadie, no, I know the history of my family, they came over in the 17th century from Yorkshire. That's 400 years give or take a decade or two.
That was me!
Rioters...I'd say complete opportunist.
Half of them wouldn’t even know the history of the troubles or the economic implications of a united Ireland.
Complete Skanger’s who skirt society’s rule of law and order, and take any and every opportunity to have a go at the Gardai. Rioters, rather petty thiefs.
The book needs to be thrown at these idiots, fines, custodial sentences, even make them wear day glow jackets saying ‘ fu*king idiot” and make them sweep the streets as community service time.
I also believe that the Unionist should be allowed to march in protest if they please. The Irish state enshrines their right to protest in its constitution, if we allow a small splinter group of radicals to instill enough fear into our society, that we would turn a blind eye, it’s a sad day for Ireland.
There is ample evidence to prosecute the scangers.
http://www.waterparkcollege.com/
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http://www.waterparkcollege.com/
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More proof of the scangers in action.
A good kick up the arse and jail time needed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x...h?
v=xlNoEqO2mUY
Real patriots beating up immigrants
http://www.waterparkcollege.com/...ts/
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Brian Boru
"It cannot be stressed enough that RSF which appears to have had a hand in yesterday's events has no electoral representation in the South. There is no sizeable support in the South for what happened yesterday."
Nor in the North, my friend.
Paul
"If this is the kind of thing which awaits us in your "Ireland of Equals"..."
Overreaction or not it's an odd statement Paul. You're not placing yourself in the same group as Love Ulcer & Co.?? I know you're not like them, but why do you think the reaction to you or your kind would be the same as the reaction to scumbags like Love Ulcer?
"I know you're not like them, but why do you think the reaction to you or your kind would be the same as the reaction to scumbags like Love Ulcer?"
maca
From the reports that I've see the motivation of many in the riot seemed to pure sectarian, tribal hatred. If an RTE reporter can get a hiding and be called an Orange Bastard, then I think the fact that I was a Northern Prod would have been all that mattered more to the mob.
.
With regards the bigger picture, I said on several threads already that I still think there is an instinctive anti-Britishness amongst a large part of Irish population.
I've sen very little evidence that my identity, culture or historical viewpoint be welcomed and treated as equal in present-day Ireland?
Paul
Personally I think simple thuggery had as much to do with it than sectarianism, hence the looting, the attack on the Chinese guy etc etc.
"I still think there is an instinctive anti-Britishness amongst a large part of Irish population"
On that we'll have to totally disagree.
And I think it's dangerous dragging such a thing into a discussion such as this. If you've been reading the Irish blogs this morning you'd get a good feel for what many Irish(ROI) people think of the situation.
There is no "fada" in "Peadar".
I suggest you go back to republican school and learn your how to spell your name in your native language. You might also look up the definition of republicanism while you're there.
Erm I think you'll find there is actually. Unless of course the british influence reached the schools before tou were dragged through your 'education'
You're one in a million with your spelling.
Peadar Ó Cearnaigh had no fada in his name. you can have your dream.
maca
I posted my reply earlier but it's disappeared so here's truncated version(thank god I hear you say!)
"Personally I think simple thuggery had as much to do with it than sectarianism, hence the looting, the attack on the Chinese guy etc etc."
The scum wouldn't have been on the streets at the first place if they hadn't thought there was the chance at having a go at "the Prods". The initial spark was a sectarian one.
"And I think it's dangerous dragging such a thing into a discussion such as this."
I disagree.
It's better that differences of opinions are out in the open and not swept under the carpet building up the germs for the future.
"If you've been reading the Irish blogs this morning you'd get a good feel for what many Irish(ROI) people think of the situation."
I've read a lot of Irish blogs and know the vast majority hold the scumbags in the same low regard as I do.
"This jurisdiction has let them down apparently"
Mr Wilkinson did not say that United Irelander.
Read it again.
Im refering to a mention about some of the rioters having "northern accents". It was a sad day that shouldnt of happened but now you know what we have had to stick up in the north for over 30 years with these scumbags.These people obviously travelled to Dublin determined to be offended for a reason that prob had nothing even to do with the half of them.
Im by no means sectarian or bitter as i have a catholic girlfriend and uncle but if this is whats in store for a united ireland id rather keep Northern Ireland British thank you.
Stew
"Im by no means sectarian or bitter as i have a catholic girlfriend and uncle but if this is whats in store for a united ireland id rather keep Northern Ireland British thank you."
Ah come on. If you're that offended by riots you wouldn't be living in NI! You even acknowledged that these things happen in the North.
What took place on Saturday was not a reflection of Irish attitudes overall.
Stew
"Im refering to a mention about some of the rioters having "northern accents". It was a sad day that shouldnt of happened but now you know what we have had to stick up in the north for over 30 years with these scumbags.These people obviously travelled to Dublin determined to be offended for a reason that prob had nothing even to do with the half of them."
I agree. Willie and company create havoc wherever they go.
I wonder if anyone else with a Northern accent was there?
Haven't seen any evidence so far.
Im not offended by riots at all, why have more than the usual we have up here. I live and grew up in Portadown which has had more bad times than good times over Drumcree so i guess im abit used to riots for it to offend me.
I also agree that this Love parade shoudlnt of took place in Ireland. I dont even think it should of took place anywheres. I didnt even know the parade had happened until i seen the riots on the news and when i think about it it would of brought nothing only trouble in the 1st place.Why was there loyalist bands needed for a peaceful protest? Maybe its because its british culture and traditions?Something people will HAVE to get used to!
As for these scum who travelled down from the north to confront the parade. The thing that has always baffled me is that if i was irish and i lived in a British country and hated their beliefs, culture,heritage and traditions, even hated the flag they live under......why live there in the 1st place and cause nothin only trouble and hatred? This has been Northern Irelands problem for years and years.
This is no offence what so ever to the people of Ireland but if these scum up here and so patriotic to the irish flag and are so anti-british maybe they should all move to Ireland where they might find peace and definately be more welcome in.
Stew,
NI is part of Ireland.
Pope -
Methinks he was referring to the state that calls itself Ireland, ie the state described as the Republic of Ireland.
Plenty of people on here and elesewhere have after all insisted on calling that state by its official name.
My thrust was to point out the naivety of the posters remarks, perhaps I was being too subtle:
If those BRITISH people don't want to live in northern IRELAND, maybe they might want to move to BRITAIN, where they might be a lot happier...
I had thought we had all moved on from this kind of stupidity.
I had thought we had all moved on from this kind of stupidity
Only you and I your Holiness 
Pope -
I agree with you on the pointlessness of such remarks...
Just airing my little theory that it can be hard to win when referring to the RoI
Mike,
Well you certainly can't call it "The Beautiful Land" because then people would assume you were just talking about the wonderous short grassed plains of Kildare :D
Northern Ireland is joined onto the Republic of Ireland, thats as far as it goes. The United Kingdom is made up of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. If your born in Northern Ireland you get a British passport.Everything about Northern Ireland is British and has British rule.NI's army is the queens British army.All government buildings fly British flags. Simple fact that NI IS as much a part of Britain as Scotland and England. How can you say that NI is a part of Ireland, physically yes.....everything else it will never be.
Er two points lads,
Firstly Stew, the vast majority of the rioters were from Dublin. The attempt to put the blame on dastardly northern nationalists didn't work. There is no evidence to suggest any significant number of northerners were involved (although I'm sure there were one or two), in fact, the addresses of those arrested on Saturday suggests otherwise.
Secondly Mark, I'm from Co. Down and have an Irish passport - as I am an Irishman from Ireland. End of story.
NI is not "part of Britain" (good gracious!). The unionist population of the north are British and, under the principle of consent, it is accepted that the six counties will remain part of the UK until a majority wish otherwise.
Yawn Mark...
but I can't resist this...
"How can you say that NI is a part of Ireland, physically yes"
ummm... yes, that's how...
Mark
"The United Kingdom is made up of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland."
I don't regard 'Northern Ireland' as a country unlike Wales, Scotland and England.
"If your born in Northern Ireland you get a British passport."
Passports are important to you, yes?
"Everything about Northern Ireland is British and has British rule."
Um, not quite. What's British about the GAA for example?
"NI's army is the queens British army."
I thought it was the RIR?
"Simple fact that NI IS as much a part of Britain as Scotland and England."
NI is not part of Britain. Britain is a separate island. Any decent map will show you this.
"How can you say that NI is a part of Ireland, physically yes.....everything else it will never be."
Let me make it simple for you - Ireland is 32 counties and Ulster is a very significant province to Ireland historically and culturally.
Actually UI,
Wales is not a country either, it's a Principality...
Pedantically yours,
PBXVI
"Let me make it simple for you - Ireland is 32 counties"
Yet people from my background also get ticked off for not calling the 26 county state Ireland, go figure...
Mike,
If you stick with "The Republic" or "The South" you won't go far wrong... I'd try to avoid "Mickville" or "Paddyland"
Stew
"This has been Northern Irelands problem for years and years."
You are correct. Ever since the British set the statelet up in 1921, but you probably know all about that, I mean you knew it was joined on to the rest of Ireland and everything.
Who allowed this parade to take place?
Actually its the United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland. GB is therefore distinct from NI in the definition of the UK.
This may (or may not) mean that NI is British as the definition of Britain is distinct from that of NI.
There! I think that proves I am NOT Andrew McCann after all. I have more hair for starters.
I thank you!
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