Are you a farmer? If not, the proposed WTO deal is good for you. As a consumer, it will bring you much cheaper food in these days of high prices. The CAP has to be seriously reformed, the French farmers are getting bucket loads of money.
Shocking view to have that, Georgie.
UI,
Here is a video for those who are interested in their future if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified by the people of Ireland. It is a 'must watch' eye opening video, so let the people judge for themselves.
And this has been copied directly from their website:
"We set out to make a video about the pros and cons of the Lisbon Treaty and found out to our horror the lies, manipulations and deceit behind the EU. From MEPs, legal experts and EU researches the true nature of the EU unfolded, how it really operates from behind closed doors and away from prying eyes. We discovered the massive power grab away from citizens and nations to the elites that is being proposed in this treaty. Most shocking of all was how our elected representatives are willingly handing us over to this emerging Totalitarian Superstate by deception , propaganda and outright lies.
This video details how the structures of the EU really operate, what the full significance of the Lisbon Treaty is and how it is the end of Nations within in the EU. MEPs describe their experience in Brussels and how they are undermined by the real power of the unelected and unaccountable Eurocrats who run the organization. How the politicians are working together for their own selfish needs while being used for a bigger agenda."
link:
http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=173
"Most shocking of all was how our elected representatives are willingly handing us over to this emerging Totalitarian Superstate by deception , propaganda and outright lies."
One loses credibility when one exaggerates, Davey.
How outdated the thinking is that the CAP does not also help consumers. How ridiculous the idea that the WTO as proposed would help consumers. The year is 2008, the issue is food security and welcome to the real worl georgie
Only a No vote on this Constitutional Treaty will safeguard Ireland's economy in the long term in my humble opinion. If the Treaty is approved by the people of Ireland then the EU will shortly thereafter seek to implement proposals to harmonise corporate tax throughout the European Union....
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Here is the link for more information about theproposals for the harmonisation of corporate tax throughout the EU:
http://libertas.org/
Concerned Observer,
The Lisbon Treaty does not affect the veto on tax.
"If the Treaty is approved by the people of Ireland then the EU will shortly thereafter seek to implement proposals to harmonise corporate tax throughout the European Union...."
They could seek to do this regardless. Ireland have a veto re tax and will use it - as will the UK (according to Gordon Brown).
Reg,
I respectfully disagree. You clearly haven't taken the time to read and properly digest the information:
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May God help Ireland and the Irish if you're one of the intelligent ones.....
"The fact is that Ireland cannot be forced into the CCCTB. It is too easy to ascribe a direct relationship between the Lisbon Treaty and the CCCTB. The claim that to vote for one entails the introduction of the other is lazy thinking: the relationship between the two is far more complex."
Brian Keegan: director of taxation with the Institute of Chartered Accountants in Ireland writing in the SBP.
See the full article below:
http://archives.tcm.ie/businessp.../
story32361.asp
CO,
The CCCTB is a red-herring.
There are many valid reasons for voting "no" and Libertas have every right to bring up Labour and Fine Gael's dubious archive statements on Ireland maintaining its control over its tax affairs.
Nevertheless, Ruairi Quinn was right; this has nothing to do with Lisbon.
The people of Ireland should vote No to their loss of sovereignty; Ireland needs to retain its EU Commissioner and secure a protocol on matters of taxation in order to protect Ireland's hard-won job gains.
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Vote No to protect your nation and her jobs.
"The people of Ireland should vote No to their loss of sovereignty"
How is Ireland losing its sovereignty in the Lisbon Treaty?
"Ireland needs to retain its EU Commissioner"
Why?
"secure a protocol on matters of taxation in order to protect Ireland's hard-won job gains."
Taxation isn't affected by Lisbon.
The more I hear random comments like that the more I'm certain I will vote yes!
Reg
"How is Ireland losing its sovereignty in the Lisbon Treaty?"
Because Reg we'd be giving up national vetoes in several areas and strengthening undemocratic institutions within the EU at the expense of our own parliament. It would be somewhat more justifiable if the European Parliament, which is at least made up of democratically elected members, was the institution being strengthened by Lisbon but it's not. The likes of the European Council will benefit. Plus the E.P. comes across like a European version of our Seanad when you read the Treaty.
"The High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy shall regularly consult the European Parliament on the main aspects and the basic choices of the common foreign and security policy and the common security and defence policy and inform it of how those policies evolve. He shall ensure that the views of the European Parliament are duly taken into consideration. Special representatives may be involved in briefing the European Parliament.
"The European Parliament may ask questions of the Council or make recommendations to it and to the High Representative."
Now I'm no European lawyer admittedly but I don't like how that reads one bit.
This says it all, Reg. Still convinced, are we?
By Tom McEnaney Business Editor
Saturday June 07 2008
Harmonisation of business taxes will be the number one priority of the French Presidency of the European Commission, which begins next month, officials from the French Department of Finance told business leaders.
A meeting of Medef, the largest French business lobby group, was told that Nicolas Sarkozy's government plans to bring forward concrete measures aimed at harmonising the European corporate tax base and, by extension, all tax rates, as early as September.
This would seem to undermine assurances given by Jose Barosso, the president of the European Commission, on a visit to Ireland last April when he said that Ireland's tax rates would not be threatened.
There is also evidence that the European Commission may be deliberately hiding plans to harmonise corporate tax rates until after Ireland goes to the polls on the Lisbon Treaty.
The Commission has consistently said plans to harmonise rates, by bringing in a common tax base for corporate taxes, are not very well advanced and will not threaten Ireland's low corporate tax regime, which is one of our key advantages in attracting inward investment.
The plans will not be affected by the Lisbon Treaty, which, if passed, will allow us retain our veto on tax matters.
This has not prevented European tax harmonisation becoming one of the principal themes of the campaign.
In particular it has been used by 'No' campaigners who have attempted to link the two issues, although many groups, including Irish business lobby groups, have stressed the two are unrelated.
The Irish Independent has seen copies of the agenda prepared for the July 2 meeting of the European Commission's 'Competitiveness Council'. It shows the plans have now developed to the point that Laszlo Kovacs, the EU Commissioner for Taxation and Customs Union, and the main driver of the tax harmonisation plans, was due to give a presentation on the subject to the Council.
A Commission spokesman confirmed that the item has been removed from the latest edition of the agenda. One source said it was specifically taken off because of sensitivities over the Irish poll on the treaty.
A spokesman for the Irish Government said: "If the Commission decides to bring forward a proposal to Council, then we will study it.
Oppose
"The Government has made it crystal clear that corporation tax is an area of national competence and sovereignty and we will, working together with many other like-minded member states, vigorously oppose any proposal that seeks to change that."
A spokesman for Mr Barroso played down the role of the Commission in bringing forward the tax harmonisation plans.
"At the request of the member states the Commission is analysing the tax [harmonisation] issue. At this point there has been no conclusion to that analysis and there will be no decision any time soon."
Turlough O'S
.........previous post continued here.........
.....Turlough O"Sullivan, director general of business lobby group IBEC, said: "I am absolutely convinced this is a Trojan horse to bring in common tax rates."
Ireland can veto the proposals, whether or not the Lisbon Treaty is passed by next Thursday's referendum. However, this would not stop some countries using the "enhanced cooperation" mechanism of the EU to club together to harmonise their own tax bases.
Critics of the plan say Ireland would be then be pressurised to join this group.
- Tom McEnaney Business Editor
www.independent.ie
Saturday June 07 2008
http://www.internationaltaxrevie...D=706967&
TYPE=1
Interesting article in the International Tax Review on the CCCTB above.
a) It is by no means a done deal.
b) Ireland have a veto over fiscal matters (something that Declan Ganley cynically denied last night)
c) Ireland would not be in any block of Member States that implement enhanced cooperation.
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