It makes my skin crawl to think that McBeth used (abused) his position to recruit vulnerable youth.
Worse still is the conduct of the Salvation Army. McBeth outrightly contravened Salvation Army workplace ethos and they choose to suspend him. Fair enough. Gives the man an opportunity to sort his shit out. But what happens? McBeth doesn't change his ways and yet the Salvos choose to reinstate him.
Don't know about you guys, but this stinks of "Rats in the ranks" to me.
Geez, you’ve gotta to love how Howard's favourite charity operates...
So now he's going to end up a political martyr just like good ol' Jim? Not quite sure this is such a good thing dude....
He's not a martyr, he's just a very naughty boy.
Jim Saleam, the prominent anti-immigration figure who spoke at the Islington rally, declined to comment on the Salvation Army move, saying he was unaware of Mr McBeth's employment details.
Horseshit.
Well yeah. Until more information comes to hand AS to WHY he was sacked, I'm very loathe to comment.
As much as I don't agree with his politics, I am hoping that the Salvo's can provide legitimate grounds for his sacking.
I guess all they really have to say is that the policies of the PYL are very contradictory to the Salvo's charter. He was warned about this and chose not to heed that warning.
If he were employed in another sector, where his politics would be a non-issue, then there would be NO justifcation for giving him the arse based on his leadership of the PYL.
That said...working in a position where he is responsible for the delegation of housing to people from varied ethnic backgrounds, INCLUDING refugees, is a bit iffy.
Considering the fact he and his cronies go around putting up posters saying "Deport Boat People".
Some conflict of interest there.
McBeth should absolutely not be permitted to work with under 18s for any reason.
McBeth has proven time and time again that he wants to spread his wretched spew like a virus, to the minds most ready to host the disease- youth.
The tactic of infiltration of organisations serving youth and subsequent influence is absolutely no different to the grooming behaviour paedophiles use to draw in their prey.
Stuie, good luck finding your next employer. Not many will tolerate such shit. As long as you're a Nazi, you're news and you'll have your very own press entourage. Welcome to the ranks of the long term unemployed, mate.
-weez
Darp said: "As much as I don't agree with his politics, I am hoping that the Salvo's can provide legitimate grounds for his sacking."
Major Whittaker said: "Stuart had signed a workplace agreement that said he would adhere to the ethos of the Salvation Army and to work within its guidelines to treat all people equally."
There's your legitimate grounds, Darp.
-weez
Shame on the Salvation Army for forcing their employees to sign workplace agreements.
The implication of that statement is that he MAY NOT have treated all people equally?
Part of his job was to allocate Salvo owned housing. Again, if the Salvo's are saying he wasn't treating all people equally, I wanna know prescisely who he was shafting and who he was looking after.
Dunno about you guys but I strongly suspect a pattern would have emerged. Not only with housing but with all his duties.
It makes you wonder.
When I was first moved here, about 4 years ago, and started looking for a job, I found a poster for the KKK stuck up in the windows of one of the local Salvo offices. The folks working there didn't know anything about it. True story.
I'm 95 percent certain it was just one of the passerbys who did it; a local yob (this was in Raymond Terrace, which has a relatively high crime-rate).
Ah well. I'm moving out of Newcastle shortly.
Hey Matty! just a quick hello! its snoooooooowing.... wooohooo. at least that makes me happy! xo
Snowing? In Cologne?
Well, it is late January ..must be freeeeezing?
Stuart McBeth should be locked away for what he has done..
Theres no doubt that he would have used his role as a case manager to defer help for those truly in need, simply on the basis of their skin colour....
Whoah, who called the House Committee on Unaustralian Activities while I wasn't watching??
Let me make one thing clear - I was at the counter rally in Newcastle on Saturday and I'm very much anti-facism, anti-racism and the like. Racism is shit and the fact that these little toe-rags associate fascism with patriotism makes me grind my teeth.
HOWEVER saying "theres no doubt that he would have used his role as a case manager to defer help for those truly in need, simply on the basis of their skin colour" is just as much shit. I mean, this isn't France, it's innocent until proven guilty. You prove this guy has done something wrong during his tenure at the Salvos and I'll happily call him a fuckhead (again). But I don't see any evidence that it's happened anywhere yet. Unless that's what you were refering to obliquely Darp?
Yeah Darp, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE about Stuart unless you want a libel suit against you?
What exactly have you been saying to the Salvos about Stuart? Truth or bullshit?
All I can see is a VENDETTA against a political enemy (such as Pauline Hanson getting sent to jail by the attack dogs of Tony Abbot) - not someone who genuinely cares about refugees.
I think you are a fraud Darp.
IP: 60.229.136.192
Port: gigabitethernet3.15.pic.sydney.telstra.net
broad4.ink.telstra.net (139.130.94.9
That's one of Jimbo's.
As for who has been whispering in the Salvo's ear, you need to look a bit further north for the source of those Chinese whispers. I'm at the other end of the grapevine on this one.
Still, I'm flattered at STILL being the eternal scapegoat for whenever you shoot yourselves in the foot.
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE about Stuart unless you want a libel suit against you?
Saleam/Anon/Whoever -
The author of the quoted article was not Mat, it was actually a newspaper. What's your justification for threatening libel?
"One tidbit of PYL info that I have kept under my hat for the last several months are the links between their President, Stuart McBeth and the Salvation Army."
Why so quiet for so long?
Had to cover all your bases first did you?
Could it be that Darp has been behind all the complaints to the salvos?
If that is so, of course he has had to keep it 'under his hat' until the salvo's finally gave in.
Maybe you, Darp, are as criminally minded as anyone in the PYL - just on the other side of the fence.
By the way, publishing peoples I.P numbers on your blog must surely go against all set and agreed to conditions of having a blog.
Better be careful there too Darp, or you really will shoot yourself, and your precious blog, in the foot.
Uhm ..NO.
The reason I kept it under my hat was I didn't want to fuck with the guys employment by publcising the fact he worked for the Salvos unless I had solid proof of untoward goings-on.
Understand that the activities of the PYL in Newcastle (the Sudanese leaflet, protest) pissed off a lot of influential people within that city. LOOK THERE for your leverage, not here.
There is nothing within the terms and conditions of Blogger or Haloscan which forbids the posting of IP's. An IP can ONLY be traced back to a name by the ISP. Even then, if an offence has been committed, the name can only be released to the public after it has been through the courts.
you didnt want to fuck with the guys employment? really? I bet you did.And I bet you did.
So why post someones I.P address- in fact why have you gone to the extreme of acquiring software that will trace someones I.P address- if you didn't want to then use that knowledge to violate a commentators' privacy?
From the Pyra Terms of Service, that you have agreed to:
"Member further agrees not to transmit any material that encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense,...."{ supplying an I.P address could be inviting the discovery of someones I.P address through whatever means.}
You have also agreed not to post obsene references in your blog. But there wouldn't be anything left of your blog if that was enforced I suppose.
Apologies, I meant to say that publishing a contributors I.P address could be inviting the discovery of that contributor's other personal details -so by the letter of the law, you could be encouraging criminal conduct- which violates the TOS that you have agreed to. And could get you into a lot of trouble. By the way, I encourage everyone to click on the links above to 'create your own blog' and to read the TOS. Any violation can be reported by clicking on the supplied link there also.
Mike, there's no such thing as software that can trace an IP address, all you can do is resolve it to an ISP, NOT an actual person.
Feel free to lodge a complaint with Blogger. It is your entitlement to do so.
Understand that if people want to come here and threaten me (legally, physcially or otherwise) anonymously or using false pseudonymns, I'm well within my rights to publicise an IP address in order to:
A) Stop the threats.
B) Warn others to be on the lookout for threatening behaviour from the same user.
Any violation can be reported by clicking on the supplied link there also.
I wouldn't worry about that, they wrote back and told me Marcel White's idiotic REAL address posting wasn't a breach of their TOS when I complained to them.
So if posting someone's real adress isn't going to get a blogger suspended, you don't have any chance of their blog being suspended for posting IPs.
Yep, that was the first thing that popped into my mind.
I was one of the 15 or so people who complained to blogger and recieved a "sorry, tough shit" response.
I mean, that was REAL NAMES, home phone numbers, addresses and blogger didnt't do jack shit.
Which I thought was kinda fucked at the time.
Yeah. I was actually quite surprised by their response, which was
Thank you for your note. Blogger is a provider of content creation tools,
not a mediator of that content. We allow our users to create blogs, but we
don't make any claims about the content of these pages. In cases where a
contact email address is listed on the page, we recommend working directly
with the author to have this information removed or changed.
Which is really quite dodgy.
No software to track I.P addresses?
try this:
http://www.statcounter.com/
free_...eb_tracker.html
one of many freely available.
You have also admitted in previous posts that you can and do identify I.P's , and that various commentator's even have the same address. Please correct me if I'm wrong...but slowly your credibility is slipping..
I mean if you are so insecure that you trace peoples' confidential I.P addresses, why wouldnt you try to trace, albeit through their I.S.P, their other details- name, actual addresss, employment details.....
mike stop whinging.
when was the last time some tree hugging hippies firebombed someones car, like your mates on the ultra right have been known to do?
its all fun and games till someone loses an eye.
confidential I.P addresses
Confidential? Since fucking when was an IP confidential?!!!? You're talking a whole lot of shit there, Mike. And tracing utilites aren't accurate. I just tried three and they think I live in Sydney. Guess what, I don't...
Derr Mike,
IP addresses aren't confidential. Yours is logged here everytime you pay a visit.
To trace it back to an ISP, all you have to do is click "Start" on your Windows toolbar. Then go to "Run" then type "Tracert" followed by the IP number in question.
It's not fucking rocket science.
I am able to identify various IP's based on correlating info on THIS comments engine and also on my Bravenet counter. I paid some extra dollars and got the fancy one which resolves IP's to host names with a single click.
You blokes are really dirty over this Salvo's shit aren't ya? I don't blame you in a way. I've always thought that people's employment is off limits when it comes to a cyber-war.
Again, you're sniffing about in the wrong place. You need to look at the "Dictatorship of Thought" in Newcastle. Believe me, they went HARD on this one.
VERY HARD.
You must understand the investment dollars at stake should Newcastle garner a reputation as a haven for White Supremacist nutters.
Good point RP - when was the last time a tree hugging lefty was jailed for three years for their role in an attack on someone's home? Because I've got a tiny little inkling that Mike's mentor Jimbo Saleam was.
So, why post someones I.P address at all? Why stick it right out there in the public domain?
You know as well as anyone that someone else, if not you, could then use those I.P's for spamming, or some other from of hacking. You are invading someones privacy, and leaving them open to other crimes.
By way of summarising all of your pathetically boring PYL rantings over the past few months, all I can really add is an old Shakespearean phrase:
"..me thinks he complaineth too much..."
By the way, I am in no way affiliated with anyone from the PYL. I am not racist and I am pro-immigration.
I just don't agree with your tactics.
That's cool man. All dissent, shit-stirring welcome.
Apologies for jumping to conclusions, Mike.
I think Mike's just used the "I'm not a homosexual but I once fucked a man who was" line of defence.
TACTICS?!
love it!
No worries.
I'm a little concerned about the idea of people losing their jobs for their political beliefs.. and I'm concerned that the Salvos make their employees sign such an agreement.
If he's done something at work, by all means, but not just because he's got nutty and disturbing political beliefs...
Salvation Army Kick To Kill.
I used to donate to the Salvos until all that drug 'harm minimisation' stuff came some years ago. The Salvos of course don't believe in preventative medicine for drug abusers, just good old-fashioned 'just say no' moralism. Which works for some (it worked for me anyway) but not for everyone and it denies the reality that a spectrum of preventative treatments must be available including needle exchange and drug education.
But I find it disturbing that someone, even an atrocious dickhead with completely indefensible political beliefs can be sacked from their work because their employer does not agree with those beliefs - absent of any actual misconduct in the workplace. What you do in your own time is of no business to your employer if it does not affect your performance at work. If we open that can of worms we're gonna have all sorts of shit coming to employees from the nastier section of the employer community. Can companies now direct their emp
2nd para in full.
But I find it disturbing that someone, even an atrocious dickhead with completely indefensible political beliefs can be sacked from their work because their employer does not agree with those beliefs - absent of any actual misconduct in the workplace. What you do in your own time is of no business to your employer if it does not affect your performance at work. If we open that can of worms we're gonna have all sorts of shit coming to employees from the nastier section of the employer community. Can companies now direct their employees as to who to vote for? No. So your political activity outside the workplace is no business of your employers. No matter what useless contract you sign before you take the job.
So, fuck the Salvos. And the PYL. A pox on both their houses.
WANNA KNOW WHAT HE DID?
USED THE SALVOS PHOTOCOPIER FOR PYL STUFF. ASK ELISE WHO WORKS THERE.
WHAT?
Ok, the shit is starting to come out.
"I'm a little concerned about the idea of people losing their jobs for their political beliefs.. and I'm concerned that the Salvos make their employees sign such an agreement."
Lefty, most employers have a catch-all clause in their employee conduct manual which will state that the employee 'may not bring the company into disrepute.'
The Salvo's policy as given in the newsclip is actually rather typical.
Indeed, I would also hope that all are free to be total freakazoids in their off hours. I'm betting that the actual reason for termination had to do with misuse of company supplies per willow.
-weez
It's also true that religious organisations are exempt from certain laws and may advertise / hire / sack on the basis of personal belief
Can companies now direct their employees as to who to vote for?...
Um, it actually happens, believe it or not. Thales Underwater Systems Pty Ltd (at Rydalmere, NSW) openly promoted the Liberal Party during the 2001 Federal election. Brendon Nelson (then Parliamentary secretary to the Defence Minister) and Ross Cameron (then MP for Parramatta, the electorate where Rydalmere/Thales is located) were "invited" to address all of the employees of Thales' Rydalmere facility. The employees were told that it was compulsory to attend this address (I was working there at that time). Production was halted for the address. Some employees did not show up to the address, and were "counselled" by the very right wing (and openly anti trade union) HR director and her staff. It is known amongst the employees of Thales that one of the directors is a very active member of the Liberal Party.
To Brendan Nelson's credit, he did not give a political speech. Can't say the same about Ross "do as I
http://nationalist.proboards3.co...&
num=1107002263
"Hi all,
Just to let u know I was sacked for being white the other day. The charity organisation I worked for asked me to publicly admit to a Newcastle Herald reporter I had changed my ways and that I would no longer be involved in events that promote European heritage.
A witness from the European Peoples Anti-Defamation organisation was present during the event. It was quite amazing.
cheers,
Stu"
Can se say owned?
Just adding in a comment here, but I think with charities like the Salvos you CAN be sacked if you political beliefs aren't compatible... I mean, in extreme deviences in beliefs. It'd be like a Jew wanting to work in a Church, or something. It's okay if the employees beliefs don't come into line with their duties, but McBeth ALLOCATED HOUSING to groups including MIGRANTS AND REFUGEES.
And think of what he did with the PYL.
There is a VERY CLEAR conflict of interest! The Salvos had every right to fire him.
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