I've already written a few "prescriptions" myself to a doctor who advised me to quit smoking....
25mg of I'm an Adult
100mg of Lick my hairy beanbag
Having just finished reading Marlow's article at http://www.econjournalwatch.org/
...suesMay2008.pdf together with these revelations, should illustrate a how severe the problem become.
The issue of the tobacco companies corrupting science is pale in comparison to what is taking place now with the pharmaceuticals and smoking cessation industry, and the biased research, and censorship within the peer reviewed journals.
Siegel mentioned the restraint of academic freedom, eh... this a the ultimate understatement of what is happening within the confines of published tobacco control research.
Too bad the investigative journalist have gone the way of the other dinosaurs, because they could have a field day.
Well Walt, you have to respect the leftists and eggheads in the world of Academia. They are the illuminati and the bourgeious ruling elite.
The unwashed masses need their wise guidance. You can't trust the proletariet with freedom, they might not do the right thing.
Bravo, Dr.. An excellent expose.
That gov't agencies are in on these shenanigans is doubly disturbing when we seem to be on the verge of the gov't taking over the entire system of Health and mandating both prescriptions and procedures.
On that tangential topic, an alarming description of what those "electronic health records" mean-- that stuff that all the pols are orgastic over. Basically that doctors barely need to go to med school, since they'll all be under orders from a gov't bureaucracy:
http://junkfoodscience.blogspot....ical-
homes.html
On a similar note, I dredged up an old medical book last night, recording bizarre practices with Doctors using tobacco as a herbal medicine from the mid 1800's to the 1950's.
Funny thing is as I read through it, the pattern coming up is that those patients treated with genuine nicotine seem to wind up dead or seriously poisoned. The even more bizarre practice of using tobacco smoke for various weird procedures seems either to work or at very least, leave the patient alive.
Now of course it is essential for propaganda purposes to spread the belief that smokers are hooked on a deadly poison,but knowing that they take repeated tiny doses of an essential vitamin through the day, rather than one large dose which can cause unpleasant side effects,suddenly brings the practice into perspective.
If as I suspect the correct substitution is B3, though not so attractive, suddenly the Nicotine Theory,cash generating machine falls, and the true believers with it.
When Doctors appear to have been hoodwinked by 70 years of apparently false information, we are in deep trouble.
When you know the effects of both raw nicotine and the "new wonder drug" niacin, now being used experimentally to cure all those things that "Nicotine" is accused of causing, it gets easier to seperate fact from fiction.
Incidentally one of the symptoms of B3 deficiency is dementia. If people give up smoking without the correct substitute then it would be logical to expect a rise.
"The steep rise in dementia in England is presenting a "significant and urgent challenge" to health and care services, yet the condition is still given low priority by the government and remains surrounded by misunderstanding and stigma, according to a study by the National Audit Office."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
societ...health.politics
Still what do I know?
Oh, and lets not get too excited about premature deaths
Industrial Revolution and the Standard of Living
"According to historians E. A. Wrigley and Roger S. Schofield's population history of England, life expectancy at birth rose from thirty-five years to forty years between 1781 and 1851"
http://www.econlib.org/library/
E...rdofLiving.html
lovely.
Along with Marlow's article,(a very good read) please review this article:
Smoking "Externalities":by David Henderson.
http://www.econjournalwatch.org/
...nderMay2008.pdf
Chantix Promoted By US Government in Guidelines Written by Former Pfizer Consultant
http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/3048
Thank you, Glister. That paper is excellent.
Do you think Glantz will rise to the challenge and call for an end to the California smoking ban?
Now that they're all prosperous and healthy, no one will allow smoking anyway!
If Glantz is right, that is. How interesting would that be?
PS: I vote for "hairy beanbag" as the Phrase of the Day. I vow to repeat it at least 50 times.
Yes, Rose. Here, it was a short AP news item in yesterday's paper. Seems bizarre. Better depression and suicide than smoking.
.
Harry, thats because -
“We are talking about a fairly unhealthy section of the population anyway . . . one in two will die because of smoking"
http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/news/...-
name_page.html
I kept that one , because it was so unbelievably insulting.
If I keep on smoking, I might die prematurely at 103, much better to take the risk of throwing yourself out of a window in your 50's, at least you'll die "smokefree".
Doctor,
It must give you great reassurance that Stanton Glantz describes you as a “tragic figure”.
In his attempts to sideline you and belittle your importance he reveals that he sees you as important.
He clearly sees you as a threat to his brutal and sustained campaign of discrimination against a minority of human beings that he has stated are “bastards”. I can only think that such comments from a grade 'A' sociopath ,such as Stanton Glantz, can only serve to make you think that your sanity is still in tact. I wonder if someone will write sonnets about the “tragic figure” of Dr Siegel in the future. Hopefully, that person will be a chubby leading tobacco control advocate called Stan sharing a prison cell with a “bastard”.
Unlike your good self, Doctor, I have no problem with 'ad hominem' if the target of my attacks uses 'ad hominem' as a first, second,third and last resort.
Talking of grade 'A', Doctor, I hope your marking of papers went well and that you are pleased.
All the best Doctor,
Lazy Fredrik.
PS I would still like to know what the HSE got so wrong and the TC controlled NHS got so right on ETS.
Rose,
There are many more documented cases about Chantix here in the US. A nasty drug as far as I am concerned. Here in Dallas, a man was on it and went crazy, running down the road, yelling, screaming, just ballistic. He went to one house and was pounding on the door and the owner thought he was trying to break in. The owner shot a gun through the door, not realizing that this person was over 6 feet tall and shot him in the head, killing him instantly. He was a well known musician in this area.
Pfizer is hosting a trade show in Grapevine, Texas the first week of August. I think I will attend and see if I can pick up some brochures on this and other drugs that they market. Shouldn't be hard for me to get in as my son will be there with a booth for the company he works for. His company does drug testing on the people who has complications from these drugs and tests for illegal drugs for large corporations. Should be quite a week for all attending. So far, I know that Pfizer is picking up the bill for my son and others to play in a golf tournament and on the 5th, they are paying for a block of seats to a Yankee/Rangers baseball game. My husband, a smoker and Yankee fan has been invited to the baseball game. I don't see a problem with me being able to infiltrate the trade show.
Doctor,
I forgot to say this, the fact that your former chum Stanton Glantz also stated “You have to be careful what you say to preserve credibility in academic circles, and he is not doing that.” is this not clearly a
sociopath sending a signal to weaker TC advocates that they had better obey their master and not abandon the cult of TC?
My question is a statement, naturally.
Lazy Fredrik.
Diane
I was trying to work out what was happening, it all seems to be about blocked or damaged nicotinic receptors.
Schizophrenia, Parkinsons, Alzheimers.
Drugs that partially block nicotinic receptors might well overdo it in some people, and mimic the symptoms of these conditions.
Unfortunately I deleted the links, but a decided pattern was beginning to form.
It appears that thats why schizophrenics chainsmoke , to get the extra niacin because their system has difficulties.
"Studies show that schizophrenia seems to be associated with changes to nicotinic receptors within the brain. In schizophrenia there is a loss of nicotinic receptors as the disease progresses, and, further studies have shown a genetic mutation in nicotinic receptors in patients suffering schizophrenia with the presence of an aberrant type of nicotinic receptor found in these patients. A very high proportion of schizophrenic patients smoke and it has been suggested that this may be a form of self-medication".
Unfortunately people are so hooked on the theory of stopping any possibility of pleasure they may not have realised these receptors might have other functions.
Not being a brain surgeon,my guess may be total rubbish.
Forgot the link
http://www.med.monash.edu.au/pha...euro-
pharm.html
Callous Cowbell:
I can't take credit for the term "lick my hairy beanbag". That was from the movie "There's Something About Mary" from Norm the pizza delivery guy/architect to the Matt Dillon character.
I don't know where they got it from or whether the Zucker brothers were original with that.
Eric,
Clever use of a reference is still clever. (Like your name, unless that's a huge coincidence.) It made me laugh, and that's what counts.
For example, take the Zuckers' phrase "forehead like a drive-in movie screen."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/
index...n_Arnold_Glantz
Rose--
Especially interesting that they're banning smoking in mental hospitals, likely doing further real harm to schizophrenics, possibly causing some to get sicker, or calling for higher doses of serious medications with their attendant serious side effects. Apparently some of those presciptions are so generally unpleasant, leave people so stoned and joyless, they go off them and then kill themselves or others. But hey, better than smoking. And besides, they have to consider the "workers" and the visitors.
:
Walt
I remember reading that somewhere they were running a trial on Schizophrenics using Champix to see if they could stop them smoking!
From my reading, it appears that pharmaceutical medicine refuses to see the benefits of nutrition.
For instance, in the pellagra stricken South of America, sufferers were locked up in mental institutions until their deaths. When it was proved that it was a nutritional deficiency, the doctors refused to believe it and carried on with the usual treatments.
Schizophrenics can instinctively manage the dose in small amounts, but a patch or tablet gives one massive dose which might be counter productive.
For example,in the morning, I have 3 cigarettes with 3 cups of coffee in quick succession to wake up, but I wouldn't like to do that constantly all day.
This might be a clue-
"Because nicotine CANNOT BE PATENTED, drug companies are investigating nicotine-like drugs which mimic its beneficial actions while reducing its side-effects."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlC.../22/
wass22.html Once again we have the nicotine/niacin confusion.
It seems that synthetic nicotine passes through the skin into the bloodstream and is eventually processed into niacin,most normal people use the oral route in the traditional manner when smoking a cigarette or eating a tomato,in active smoking tests the niacin was found in the saliva.
So taking the overview, it would seem that if tobacco can be made socially unnacceptable, by whatever means, the way is open for the new nicotine based medicines to replace it.
From my researches, I find that for 30 years I have been holding Reynauds Phenomenon at bay, I just thought I'd grown out of it!
In Germany it appears that they have been using nicotinic acid in medicine since the late 30's, they have known what it does since then.
Smoking bans and disinformation?
The pharmaceutical GM tobacco crops are growing in England as we speak.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/engl...ent/
5152172.stm
Rose, since God created nicotinic receptors in the brain, why is mankind so eager to change the chemistry?
Looking forward to more of your research.
Interesting chemistry site:
http://www.chemspider.com/
Thanks for the link Gilster,
I need all the help I can get
Talking of which, this is all giving my memory a serious workout.
I suddenly remembered this-
Toxin from a venomous snail that glues itself onto nicotinic receptors
http://brain.utah.edu/newsroom/
s...ails060821.html
Weird, huh?
Bear with me now, this is a ramble.
Cravings
When I was pregnant, I had a an overwhelming craving for garlic snails, garlic mushrooms just wasn't right, I needed them everyday and I couldn't wait.
Now the properties of garlic I understand, but snails?
"The major glycoconjugate of snail mucous is a glycosaminoglycan, with a novel structure when compared to other known glycosaminoglycans, secreted from granules within the snail's body and is localized on the outer surface, as a result of exposure of the snail to stress"
http://www.herbs-hands-healing.c...rbs/
garlic.html
http://www.bioskincare.com/ingre...ients/content3/
Doctors are sceptical, but there is a belief that pregnant women crave the vitamins and minerals they may be deficient in.
Embarrassingly, the chemical lab in your head always knows were to find them, and if the nutrient you require was last encountered when you bit the head off a dandelion when you were two, thats what you will crave.
Now I think the mothers round here may agree, when those cravings come upon you, you get desperate.
As desperate as a prisoner willing to buy a cigarette for $50 in prison? Easily.
I don't think its an addiction, the pharmacology people are right.
http://tobacco.health.usyd.edu.a...pdfs/
atrens.pdf
Recommended reading.
"This month, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom proposed an unprecedented city ban on drugstores selling tobacco products, including cigars, pipes and smokeless tobacco."
http://news.aol.com/health/
story...9990001#cmntbgn
The comments are another heartening avalanche of disgust and derision, overwhelming the ones with Dr. Siegel's "beneficial negative perceptions" of smokers. Nice.
Well it just had to happen
Could You Have a Hidden Addiction?
"PROMIS, a company which specialises in rehabilitating people with addictions, deals with a whole range of obsessive behaviour. Alongside patients addicted to drugs and alcohol they are now treating people dependent on certain foods"
'There are definite reactions the body has to certain addictive foods,' she said. 'They create cravings and gets you hooked"
"Foods such as potatoes - and even tomatoes and peppers - contain a natural poison called solanine just underneath their skin. In some people this chemical causes a natural high - and can therefore be addictive"
And of course they will all need treatment.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
pages...in_page_id=1799
US ruling turns smokers into junkies
http://www.newscientist.com/
arti...319381.300.html
Well I hope you are all proud!
Incidentally, nicotine is only called that name after Jean Nicot who introduced the plant to France ( Nicotiana )Solanine from Solanacea family
http://www.medterms.com/script/
m...rticlekey=22807
So back to The Nicotine Content of Common Vegetables
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/
cont...pe2=tf_ipsecsha
Now that we are informed that nicotine/solanine is an allegedly "addictive drug", but also know that when oxidized or cooked it turns into niacin,should we now expect to be berated, abused and heavily taxed for eating roast potatoes?
Remember theres no safe level.
Callous Cowbell wrote,
"This month, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom proposed an unprecedented city ban on drugstores selling tobacco products, including cigars, pipes and smokeless tobacco."
Actually Cowbell people who otherwise would buy their tobacco products at drugstores, also won’t be exposed as much to:
Buproprion, nicotine gum, nicotine patch, nicotine nasal spray, nicotine lozenge, nicotine inhaler, Chantix, and whatever other drugs are found at drugstores, and commonly pushed on people who smoke.
Personally, I can’t wait to start buying tobacco at flea markets and garage sales.
Josef Fritzl, Nazi antismoker.
Fritzl wrote: "I have always had high regard for decency and uprightness. I was growing up in Nazi times, when hard discipline was a very important thing. I belong to an old school of thinking that just does not exist today.
"I grew up in the Nazi times and that meant there needed to be control and the respect of authority. I suppose I took on some of these old values with me into later life, all subconsciously, of course."
He claimed that he kidnapped the teenage Elisabeth to keep her away from alcohol and bad company.
"When she got into puberty, she stopped obeying any rules," he said. "She was going out to seedy bars and would spend whole nights there drinking and smoking. I only tried to rescue her from that life. She even ran away from home twice.
"I was forced to act. I had to create a place where I could keep Elisabeth separated from that world, and I was ready to use force."
It bears repeating: Fritzl was Only Trying To Rescue Her From That Life - a life of staying up all night drinking and smoking. Could anything be worse than that for an old antismoking Nazi?
Hi All,
Most of you here will enjoy this:
Wellness Über Alles
http://www.americanthinker.com/
2...eber_alles.html
"Not content with banning smoking indoors and segregating it outdoors, it is now banished entirely like some wayward cleric in 13th century Europe, (or in the case of Islam - 21st century Europe). In many cases, these smoke free campus programs make it a company offense to even retire to your own vehicle and smoke a cigarette with the windows rolled up. The justification: your car is parked on our property and we don't approve of smoking! "
Be well.
And this as well:
Tobacco as a self-medication and 'wellness'
http://www.americanthinker.com/
b...ication_an.html
.
Well as it now seems that Solanine/nicotine is common to all nightshade plants but sometimes known by different names, and of greater or smaller amounts,we really can't use "nicotine" to demonize smokers if we want to be scientifically accurate.
Tell me at anytime if I get this wrong.
So no luck there , lets try solanesol.
"Solanesol, extracted from tobacco leaves, is used in synthesis of high-value bio-chemicals such as vitamin-K analogues and Co-enzyme Q10 (Co Q10). Solanesol, the starting material used in the synthesis of Co Q 10
and Vitamin K analogues, is also a potentiating agent in these medicines. Studies indicate that by introducing solanesol radical into the structure of some medicines, the effects increase noticeably. With solanesol as its primary material, Co-enzyme Q 10 is useful in the treatment of heart diseases, cancers and ulcers"
Holy smoke! Chinese city turns cigarettes to medicine
"The northwestern city of Xian is using the counterfeit cigarettes to extract solanesol, a compound found in tobacco which is used to treat cardiovascular disease, it said"
http://www.redorbit.com/news/
hea...source=r_health
Oh dear
Isolation and purification of solanesol from potato leaves by high-speed counter-current chromatography and identification by atmospheric pressure chemical ionization mass spectrometry
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubm...pubmed/
17970112
Its in tomato and eggplants too.
Fritz Lickint doesn't seem to mention that there is solanine/nicotine, solanesol in potatoes, tomatoes and eggplants, I checked.
Perhaps we can base our denormalisation campaign on the height of the plant.
Tobacco plants seem to be the tallest plant in the commonly used group at around 2m high.
There you go, tobacco is dangerous and wrong because its very tall.
Thanks for the links Sunz.
Could anyone say that Glanz or Repace are working without financial incentive?
From Glister's link above a more sobering reality, which is on target and revealing of the majority of TC grand standers and wagoneers.
http://www.econjournalwatch.org/
...nderMay2008.pdf
"As noted above, a major part of the argument in Alamar and Glantz (2004),
which they repeat in Alamar and Glantz (2007), is that restaurant owners did
not have access to information about the effects of a smoking ban other than
the information that tobacco companies provided. Again, they gave no evidence
for that claim. Let’s assume for a minute, though, that Alamar and Glantz are
correct that the restaurant owners had no other information. But now they do.
The California non-smoking law in restaurants has been in effect since January
1, 1995. That has given us 13 years of experience. So their key argument about
bad information, if it ever applied, surely does not apply now. There is no good
case, therefore, even from their viewpoint, for imposing a ban in California today.
If they are right, then ending the ban will cause no restaurants to start allowing
smoking. If I am right, at least some will. I call on Alamar and Glantz to put their
policy prescriptions where their theory is and call for ending the ban. And if they
refuse to do so, it is fair for the rest of us to ask them, “Do you really believe your
own imperfect information story or are you being the big bully on the block who
believes that might makes right and doesn’t care about the minority?”"
For the majority there are always perks to be gained from repression of the minorities while ignoring the ethical inconsistencies of taxing what they describe as a significant addiction. Punishment a medical treatment? To what ends?
http://www.reason.org/
outofcontr...tobacco_ta.html
Redistributing the booty?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar.../
MNQ91065OQ.DTL
"Playing on Potrero Hill
Beth Freeman, an associate professor of English at UC Davis, heard about the grant from a friend and requested one for her Potrero Hill play group of middle- to upper-middle-income families in an application titled "Potrero Hill Toddler Play Group." They hosted parenting lectures on positive discipline and potty training, art projects, a field trip to the Crissy Field Center, an Easter egg hunt, a Halloween party and a toddler dance party.
The activities strengthened the bonds within the group and created a greater sense of community, which can be a difficult thing to find in a city, Freeman said. While she was grateful for the grant and its positive impact, she did feel uncomfortable knowing the funding came from a cigarette tax, which is regressive.
"It's taxing something that's being marketed more at lower-income people and consumed by lower-income people and redistributing it in ways that aren't attentive to income," she said. "And that might be a moral dilemma. ... I'm glad we got it - it did good things for us. On a personal level, I did think, 'How strange that they don't require you to be needs-based.' " "
Animal testing
The slugs love it and now the collared doves are eating the leaves from the tobacco plants in my experimental patch.
They see it for what it is, a broad leafed green vegetable.
Doves doing well and cooing at each other most affectionately.
"Leaf protein is another extract for which BTRS already has a prototype of. As Patel puts it, "A 90-day crop of tobacco, closely grown in one hectare, can give you 900-plus kg of crude protein. You would have to refine it for human consumption but the crude form can be used in cattle fodder."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.c...0,prtpage-
1.cms
she did feel uncomfortable knowing the funding came from a cigarette tax, which is regressive.
Apparently NOT uncomfortable enough that she turned it down either.
Notice it didn't dawn on her to use the grant to create a similar program for those she was stealing money from.
Just another hypocrite.
The historical grass roots of TC was sold to the highest bidder and now stands only as a for-profit industry much like the big three charities.
The media darlings who regulate our focussed empathy and charity for the weak and diseased, with fear mongering and gory pictures.
Focusing on personal behaviors takes us away from focusing on commercial responsibility and further increases the costs to consumers while the stakeholders laugh all the way to the bank. Increased poverty levels increases criminality which further deflects our focus, as the lobbies vie for more police power and numbers and of course more personal restrictions to keep them busy.
Civil arguments assessing responsibility in a fair exchange which allow a defense of those accused, are silenced when you designate civil issues to criminal courts by asserting legislated responsibility in assuming the one sided worst case scenarios, provided by biased and financially conflicted lobby groups, to be valid.
Sounds like the slippery slope was liberally greased and personal freedom is slipping away. Was TC and public health ever about anything, more important than the money?
Was TC and public health ever about anything, more important than the money?
In a word: NO
Let me take this opportunity to wish a very Happy Mother's Day to all the fine ladies who post on this blog. May you have a lovely day!
Thank you Gabz! And the same to you and all the other mothers on this blog.
May you all have a smoking good day!
Happy Mother's Day ladies
"Tobacco plants seem to be the tallest plant in the commonly used group at around 2m high.
There you go, tobacco is dangerous and wrong because its very tall."
The same wisdom carries over to the "4000 deadly ingredients" found in tobacco smoke; designated as fearful while ignoring a similar situation in a cookie factory where the smell is much more pleasant to most. Or establishing a level of safety in respect to even a reasonable number of the 40 some odd thousand chemicals in use today and what would be the effect of their known exposures in addition to the thousands of drugs and chemicals in our food? All seemingly having little or no effect.
220 bartenders is self serving in search of notoriety, it was and is, irresponsible public disclosure to be kind. The day our host recognizes that fact and starts to explain it to his colleagues in a way they will listen; science will start to rediscover it's former credibility and respect for unbiased observation, over cashing in on theoretic political tripe.
Happy MD to all.
Champix article
You know, when I read things like this-
"Tobacco is a deadly drug. It is highly addictive and lethal, killing one in two of its regular long-term users."
And I know that she has probably eaten something very similar for lunch,I don't know wether to laugh or despair.
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman...-
gun.4068794.jp
I hope all the ladies here and men's wives had a nice Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day ladies!
Callous Cowbell:
I'd never actually seen a picture of Glantz. Now I'm going to have nightmares.
Thanks. 
He looks like the Grinch Who Stole Christmas.
Nah Eric,the Grinch acted more human and looked more human come to think of it.He didn't polute the world with his sick and nazi styled paternalism all because he hated something.
Err... OK the doves know better than I do.
"Virendrabhai Patel of Saijpur village near Borsad is one of the largest producers of EDIBLE tobacco in the state with 50 hectares under cultivation."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.c...?
msid=478133705
The tragedy is, I have to go all the way to India to get any, even vaguely scientific sense.
Its all about Vitamin B3 isn't it?
I've seen small amounts of green tobacco recommended to be put in stews for their vitamin B content, recipes for tobacco syrup on the BBC cooking page.
So what happens when we restrict the amounts of vitamin B to whole populations, by minimising supplements and banning more traditional sources?
"Mortality statistics for the United States indicate that pellagra was perhaps the most severe nutritional deficiency disease ever recorded in US history".
http://www.ajph.org/cgi/reprint/...nt/90/5/
727.pdf
Interesting study lots of very revealing graphs.
Just so you hear it from someone who's been there - psychotropics like Chantix are deadly to many people (no, did not take them to quit smoking).
I'm so happy to still be alive after the most unspeakable horror I could ever have imagined enduring that I enjoy every smoke I'm still "allowed" to have. Luckily, I live in Zurich - the Nazi's haven't succeeded here yet (nor in Austria) - maybe it's all a bit too close for comfort in this part of the globe.
The smoking bans in Italy and southern Switzerland are also at least not accompanied by the pariah syndrome (outside areas - which of course always existed since they hadn't yet learned to be paranoid about "health inspection issues" from us Yanks and, in cold weather; tents - certainly no 5/10/15 etc. foot/yard distance from any door thing yet. I'm sure the long arm of the puritan nation(s) will ensnare them too with time.)
When I read this article and comments, I shivered with horror at what the fate of many will actually be when they replace tobacco with something so potentially evil like Chantix (relax, anyone who's pro such drugs - I'm very aware that some might get away with it - even think they benefit).
Chantix, the medicine manufactured by Pfizer Incl. is meant for triggering off smoking cessation and as it is an FDA approved quit smoking medicine, you can administer the anti-smoking drug without any hesitation and successfully get rid of nicotine addiction. However, significant chantix tidbits available at http://www.chantixmagic.com clarify that the medicine is meant to be taken only after getting hold of a Chantix prescription from the doctor.
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