"Syria has been making loud overtures to Israel for a peace accord"
Well, Michael you are a funny guy. The only things loud were Katyushas (transfered to Lebanon by Syrien trucks) detonating in northern Israel. (Well before the first Israeli air raid...)
Read the link.
Why do we always have to make the first move?
Why don't they first stop sponsoring terrorism? Why don't they show us their good will?
I'm certain that if they do so,
Israel will be more than happy to go towards peace with Syria- and yeah,
maybe that includes giving up on some, as you say "occupied territories".
Read it again IDF. It's Syria that's been making the 'first move'.
You're obviously a brainwashed fanatic michael,
the first 'real move' in the middle east peace process is 'surrender', or failing that, being invaded and taken over by the Israeli military.
I have discovered these to be empirically valid in all situations involving the Israeli government and the middle east peace process. These are the only two real 'first moves' available to Israel's self-made opponents. For anyone to do differently, Israel and its so-called supporters, decide unilaterally that there are no genuine partners for peace.
Obviously Michael,
you are one of these extremists who believes in nutty fundamentalist stuff like the Geneva Conventions, the UN Charter, the UN Declaration of Human Rights, the International Court of Justice blah blah blah
Sorry, yes, totally nutty. I apologise, I really don't know where it comes from. I keep telling myself 'might is right', but somehow it just isn't working.
But you're wrong on one point. Israel doesn't invade and take over - it is forced to intervene against it's will in pre-emptive self-defence provoked by suicidal neigbours who make clear their murderous intent to one day, sometime in the future, launch an evil war of aggression. The proof of this would be in their monstrous actions, except that they are prevented by selfless Israeli peace-making operations.
Come on Joe90.....
Let me tell you something. When there's a threat to your life neither the Geneva Convention nor any other UN rights apply.
Imagine you arrest a terrorist, who for sure can tell you where his other mates are, and the location of the "human bomb" he's just said.
But I guess you'll agree with me that he wouldn't be so thrilled to tell you that, would he?
So you apply "a bit of force" and you get it over with. Yes that's how it's done.
I'm about to join the army, yeah the IDF, and of course my friends are serving too. Some of them are in the Special Forces and let me tell you something. No they don't like to see innocent Palestinians dead, nor beating them to death. However, if they are dealing with terrorists...well let's just say that they'll "handle them with care".
Joe90, as I recall you live in Scotland, don't you? Secondly I guess there's no daily threat on your life, is it? you can go to the mall or ride a bus without being exploded, can't you?
So as long as you can't understand this feeling don't judge us.
Remember my words, it's just a matter of time before Islamic extremists hit the cities of the UK.
Their population is extremely growing and as you've probably heard they are being arrested approximately every week in the UK.
London(which I visited a few months ago) is turning into Londonistan.
Spoken like a true brainwashed Fourth Reich fanatic
The Shia folk of south Lebanon were as 'docile as a doormat' (Robert Fisk) until the violent racist regime of Israel started attacking, invading and occupying them, setting up concentration camps and torture chambers on their land, starting in the late 1970s.
Until your victims stop resisting your racist war crimes, you will continue committing your racist war crimes!
As soon as Palestinians stop resisting the racist Israel illegal occupation of their land and stop resisting the ethnic cleansing of their land, People and culture - only then, will Israel get out of occupied Palestine!
Goebbels would be proud if he could've got brainless dolts in his day to believe hopeless illogical crap like this in order to justify the illegal occupation of Poland and lebensraum etc
Londonistan - a big fan of mad Melanie Philips are we?
She is one of the biggest hate-filled racist bags of pus in Britian - she's trying to turn us into Brit-rael!
She even works for a newspaper 'The Daily Mail', which is notorious for its pre-WWII anti-jewish racism and support for Hitler.
Here is what Melanie Phalangist doesn't tell you about her current racist employers - here is what they wrote in 20th Aug 1938 -
The way stateless Jews from Germany are pouring in from every port of this country is becoming an outrage: the number of aliens entering the country through back door - a problem to which the Daily Mail has repeatedly pointed
"Hurray for the Blackshirts!" - was another one of her employers headlines of the day.
Just exchange a few proper nouns here and there, Jew-arab Judiasm-Islam, and it's as if nothing much has changed since pre-WWII .
It's just the same old stale racist propaganda, propagandists and their willing brainless cannon fodder - only the race-ethnic origin of the victims has change.
And there is a threat to my life -
The Iraq Effect
- they're called Bush, Blair and Olmert!
Oh my God......Joe90, may God be with you cause I know you're a good person, but still naive- as all the Europeans are.
Israel is bad and Arabs are good, I know that. Israel is kiiling innocent Arabs, and the Arabs aren't terorists, they are "freedom fighters". yep, I've heard. However, I think you are the real racist for supporting the Arabs.
Stop thinking like a typical naive European. The Muslims want to kill you not because your PM has invaded Iraq, they want to kill because you're not a Muslim. When will you understand that?
Stop seeing everthing in black&white, there are more sides to this story. And how could you say that we established concentration camps in Leabnon? have you completely lost it?
The Arabs could have a had a hell of country in 1948, but they didn't want it. Now don't tell that they attack us because of our settlements or "occupation" as you call it.
Let me remind you, my Scottish friend, that the settlements began after the 6-days war, which was in 1967. Now tell me something mate:
Was there peace before 1967? Were there no terrorists attacking us before that? So stop blaming it on the "occupation".
Maybe the common Palestinians would now settle for some reasonable portion of Israel, however, Hamas anc Co. wouldn't agree until we leave Israel completely and head towards the sea.
As I've said before, I've got nowhere else to go. Israel is my Homeland and I'll do everything in my power to keep it that way.
I do want peace, but I'm not willing to sell my Homeland for it.
Was there Israeli racist war criminals before 1967?
Yes, of course there was, and any Palestinian refugee who tried to return back home (all perfectly legal under international law) was executed on the spot, by the hilariously named idf, and branded a 'terrorist'.
These racist executions were an example to other refugee Palestinians with any funny notions that their former homes, land, towns, roads, orcfhards, fields, and possessions stolen from them by the halriously named 'idf', actually belonged to them.
Tell me something I don't know!
Of course, being a naive european (in contrast to a brainwashed violent racist like you) I got all the above information from an Israeli historian named Benny Morris, who also thinks that sub-human Arab racist have no rights to life or property, even though he agrees that the state of Israel is the cause of all its own problems.
Joe90...it's seem you've undergone some serious brainwash, since the last time we debated, you were much less "Arabic".
Well, I can't deny the things you're saying about kicking the Palestinians out of OUR territory.
They could peacefully live in the territory they were given lawfully by the UN, but they didn't want to.
Every country in history was established by occupation. Didn't the English, I don't tribes, Anglo-Saxons or whatever occupy the land from others? How do you think any other nations was established in history? What, france wasn't established by one side occupying land from the other? or simply any other country in history?
Simply, Israel was established recently and seeing all this turmoil isn't that nice. But it's exactly what happened in history for each and every country.
Wasn't America occupied by the British? ohhh I think you British should be trialed for you racist crimes and occupation of America, shouldn't you? How could you harm the innocent Indians?
"by the hilariously named idf"
First of all give it some respect by simply capitalizing it (IDF). I know you like capitalizing the "P" in Palestinians, much more.
Secondly, you call dead unarmed Palestinians- innocent victms.
I call them , Casualties of war,which was brought upon us.
No Israeli soldier will intentionally shoot unarmed
Palestinians.
Unfortunately, only time will show you the true face of the Arabs (and I'm not saying all of them are bad).
They hate you, they hate me and everyone who's not Muslim. Regardless of the fact whether you invade Iraq, or not.
In 1290, all Jews were told to go
f*** themselves by the English king.
They were told to leave the borders of the UK. And you call me a racist...
By the way, bon voyage to Prince Harry, who's being shipped off to Iraq....
Under international law,
refugee Palestinians have a perfectly legal right to go back to their own homes and land, but is denied them by violent racist brainwashed Israeli thugs like you -
- nothing is more simpler and straightforward.
As far as I can tell,
nobody anywhere is denying refugees the right to return to their own property and land.
Try reading some actual real history about Israeli thuggery and racist war crimes, such as your own Benny Morris about these so-called 'terrorist attacks' on Israel. Any Palestinians returning home were executed as an example to other Palestinian refugees with funny notions about their land and homes being their own property, rather than the rigytful property of a gang of racist buthcers thugs and mass-murderers.
Pre-1948, Palestinians owned or controlled nearly 95% of their own Palestinian homeland
Post-1948, Palestinians owned or controlled 0% of their own homeland.
As for your hilarious notions of how human culture works, I love your nineteenth century neo-Darwinist bilge about Anglo-Saxons conquering England - much like the immigrant Jews conquered Palestine! Says it all. Still living in the past.
Why do you keep calling me a rasict and a thug?
Have you learned your manners from your Arab friends?
By the way, aren't you occupied? Is there a country called Scotlnad? Or it's just the UK?
anybody who glories in the screen id of 'idf' has got to be either joking,
or a fervent believer and follower of the master race ideology of the fourth reich in the racially sterilise ghetto of israel
Unfortunately, only time will show you the true face of the Arabs (and I'm not saying all of them are bad).
And you have to ask why you are called racist? You are either being deliberately disingenuous or you have a staggering lack of self-awareness.
Isn't it funny that whenever faced with a situation which is impossible to deny (eg Syria offering negotiations)commenters like IDF manage to derail the discussion and divert it to '48, '67 etc etc. Filibustering.
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