first bitch!
GRRRR!
ugh, what a jerk, dosent he know that babies need constand attention and talking too? not like, "a talking to!" but they need to hear their mommy's and daddys sweet whispers and hugs and kisses.....poor katie, and i feel so bad for her unborn baby 
WTF. That's all.
How totally fucked up is that thinking???
such utter bullshit if i ever heard it...i can't stand him or his idiotic grin and gawd help us now that his stupid movie is being promoted cos we will be traumatized by his appearances everywhere....
third y'all
When is this bitch gonna give birth, already??
ah well, more like sixth...
They are going to have one fussy baby! S/he was used to hearing Katie's voice for 9-10 months, and now the baby can't be soothed by her voice.
What's next? Let me guess, they can't pick the baby up to soothe him or her.
I feel bad for mum and babe.
That L. Ron Hubbard guy was totally out to lunch. Poor child. When are they going to get Katie Holmes re-programmed?
That is so typical for those sexist pricks to make a rule like that. Down with the Cruise!
Shut the fuck up, Tom. I'd rather hear screaming than that high-ass, whiny, irritating voice of his.
These two are bat-shit crazy fucking insane lunatics! Period.
what a stupid cunt religion
its like rosemarys baby
Sooo, the baby goes through the "trauma" of birth, which is going to be pretty fucking traumatic anyway whether she screams or not (would YOU like your head squeezed down someone's vag?) - and then has to suffer in silence for a week with nothing to do but DWELL on the trauma of the head squeezing?
STUPID!
Someone needs to take that baby away from these two nutjobs as soon as it arrives!
MK! Get your ass down there!
Isn't there studies that siprove that theory?? That you should interact with the child after birth??
How can you not talk to your baby? Pure madness. Instinct will get the best of Katie, she'll talk.
i don't feel sorry for her at all. she's a fucking idiot!
just stupid
The more Scientology practices are made public the more we realize just how fucked up Tommy boy has become and Nicole must be grateful he allowed her to get the fuck out.
*disprove
Some people should be neutered.
Okay am i the only one that thinks this is a bunch of bullshit. When my kid is born I would LOVE to see them try and keep me from ym kid. I'll tell you right now some balls would get ripped off and shoved down a few throats to say the least. Let that leave an imprint!!!!
If she goes along with it I have to question where are Katies motherly instincts?
This shit is going to be the real Omen, Exorcist and Alien all wrapped into One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest.
Scientology is satanic. Did you read that old Penthouse article by L. Ron Hubbard's son? Holy crap is all I can say! It is long, but skimming through it is VERY disturbing.
Oh my god the avvies just popped up again YEAH!!!
I hope her parents can tear her away from this loon.
So when you first give birth the Dr lays the baby on your chest for the connecton to its mother, Is she even allowed to touch her baby.This religion needs to be stopped.
How can any person with the logic of a sandflea go along with that batshit crazy bullshit? The first few days are a critical bonding time for the mother and child. Shit, I don't have kids and even I know that shit!
this just utterly disgusts me...i can't believe people actually follow this fucking cult!! i'm just speechless...what a goddamn life these people lead...
I'm only seeing some gravs. But, tis better than none!
I guess the entire human race has been doing it wrong all this time.
what a fucking stupid lunatic idiot she is for even going along with this shit--"hello you are the mother not tomdwarf"
she's a worse person for agreeing with this utter lunacy!
Seriously what the fuck. There is no amount of money in this world that can prevent me from speaking to my child AND making noise during child birth. Children develop at an early age and all contact is vital. What the hell? How can a man have the right to tell a woman not to scream? Who the fuck does he think he is? She's an ass for staying with him.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12283785/
Glimpse into the future of TomKitten?
is it SO WRONG to wish this child to become an orphan?
I wish Tom would just fucking die
Isn't there studies that siprove that theory?? That you should interact with the child after birth??
KeLLKeLL | 04.12.06 - 12:40 pm |
Yeah there was a study that wanted to see what the effects of leaving newborn babies alone without human interaction would be.
They gave them all the food and care they needed but the nurses could not hold or talk to the babies. You know what happend. They all died.
One of the most disturbing things I ever read.
I doubt that it will get to that level but to even go through even for a minute with that kind of scarring practice what would the long term problems be? Possibly a problem with the baby bonding to the mother maybe?
just noticed avs are working now
Fucking Asswipes!! I hope his/her first sentence is "Thanks for ignoring me when I was born bitch" and then he pukes on her. I see a Scientology Serial Killer.
Warren, do you have a link to it?
Ron Hubbard suggests that mothers not have any communication with their babies, so the newborn will not associate their voice with the trauma of birth
Trauma of birth?? Do they think the baby is pissed off at its mom?? Can the fathers talk to thier babies once its born??
As I sit here remembering the traumatic experience of my own birth, I now realize it was my mom who was there and she was the one who fucked my life up from the start, bitch is so not getting a mother's day gift now.
I think the baby needs to be alone for 7 days so that it can heal from the homing device chip that will be implanted onto it by Tom and the rest of these quacks.
Google it with these words:
"Hubbard Penthouse Scientology" It was in a 1983 issue!
i don't feel sorry for her at all. she's a fucking idiot!
Anonymous | 04.12.06 - 12:41 pm | #
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sums it up.
I'm glad pot's illegal and scientology is legal, makes so much sense
What type of training did L Ron have? I don't understand why people believe so much of what he has to say.
the mother and child need to bond for goodness sake.
And what about breastfeeding?
I mean, my sister in law couldn't go through a full day without her breasts going utterly sour if her child wasn't feeding.
That is just wrong. She will regret not talking to her baby for 7 days. 
I really hate Scientology...seriously, you have to have the IQ of a fucking ant to believe half the shit that they're spurting out. If anyone has a heart they'll hold TomKitten under water (ala the Joy Luck Club) and set the little bastard free.
How to give birth the Scientology way
text from various Hubbards works on pregnancy
1. According to L. Ron Hubbard - founder of Scientology - it is important to stay silent during childbirth. This is to ensure the avoidance of "engrams' - impressions formed in the brain because of "physical pain or painful" experiences.
2. Engrams are only relieved through "auditing"- a form of therapy - which is presumably difficult to perform during childbirth. Morning sickness is an "engram" - causes distress and pain (well, duh!)
3. Says Hubbard, in his book Dianetics: "A woman who is pregnant should be given every consideration by a society which has any feeling for its future generations."
4. These considerations should apply to those attending a birth. "Maintain silence in the presence of birth to save both the sanity of the mother and the child. And the maintaining of silence does not mean a volley of sh's."
5. Meanwhile: "Women, you have a right and a reason to demand good treatment."
6. He also claims that a great number of midwives and doctors are scientologists themselves.
7. By the way, life in the womb is not the paradise it has been presented as. Instead "the womb is wet, uncomfortable and unprotected".
8. Even once the child has been born, Scientology can help. According to Hubbard, emotions are transferred to a child through an electrical wave. "Therefore anyone who is emotional around a pregnant woman is communicating that emotion straight to the child."
9. Childhood illness mostly comes from - you guessed it - engrams. Prevent this, says Hubbard, by creating a "calm and harmonious atmosphere" for the child.
10. Furthermore: "Say nothing around a sick child or an injured child. Smile, appear calm, but say nothing."
11. "If she [the child] falls, she should be helped - but silently."
12. "Drooling sympathy" offered to a child when he is sick or feeling unwell can trigger engrams
13. When a young child bounces on a pregnant woman's lap, her unborn child gets an engram.
14. If the husband uses language during sex, "every word is going to be engramic".
15. In Scientology, there are those who are prone to engrams and those who are called Clears. A Clear is a rational person who forms the best solutions he can on the information he has.
16. And pray tell how does one become a Clear? With "some patience and a little study", says Hubbard.
She is officially the Stupidest Woman to Ever Walk This Earth!
I'm glad pot's illegal and scientology is legal, makes so much sense
JAY | 04.12.06 - 12:46 pm |
No Shit JAY. This country is a fucked up mess.
I don't think that for me, my mother yelling as I was being born traumatized me as it was squeezing my big head through her vagina.
what ASSHOLES to do that to a newborn...i used to feel bad for Katie, but then i realized that she is an active participant in ALL of this!..she had a choice and she made it..for better or worse!
Well I heard it was a boy.
So how do you like that?
this makes me so fucking mad.
it makes me mad that Tom is a fucking cult pussy
it makes me mad that Katie is a dumb whore willing to follow these fucking rules at the cost of her child and herself
and it makes me mad that i cannot beat the living shit out of both of them. FUCK!
If anyone has a heart they'll hold TomKitten under water (ala the Joy Luck Club) and set the little bastard free.
Kats | 04.12.06 - 12:47 pm | #
Whoa Whoa to harsh!!! Hold the parents under if you want but never a baby. Shit just pull a brittnay spears and call DCFS ever five minutes.
Boycott MI:3 and everything else Cruise does!
WORD UP Morticia.
Reading about this shit enrages me for some reason. I don't understand it, but Scientology and Star Jones send me into a fit of fury unlike anything else. If Star were a Scientologist I don't know what I'd hideousness I'd be responsible for.
Fuck them.
The only trauma this Baby will get will be on his first day in Kindergarten, when he get's a serious beat down from all the other kids...
"So your 'Dad' is Tom Cruise?" - "Yeah."
Punch!
Are you sure she is really pregnant?
She has been pregnant for 12 months now.
It's all a fascade.
The Bird Of Hermes Is My Name | 04.12.06 - 12:51 pm
See I disagree, I don't think that the prince of Scientology will ever be allowed at a normal school. I think this kid is going to have a life like Blanket Jackson. Insanely protected and shit.
That's SSSOOO fucking stupid! The baby can't relate the voice to the trauma of child birth but it's okay for the mother to hold the baby, feed the baby, cuddle the baby....don't they think the baby's gonna NOTICE a difference from a placenta and an elbow!?!?!? What a joke!
Kats, fit of fury is an understatement! I think I'm so mad because these fucking MEN think they can tell a WOMAN what to do with her baby! Fucking asshole mother fuckers!
MsAstro | 04.12.06 - 12:54 pm | #
His two current children have Scientology tutors for their education.
Is it just me or has eny one eles noticed that his other kids NEVER smile.
Like that just hit me.
$cientology (I refuse to capitalize it) is a CULT not a religion.
And this is the CULT'S way of breaking the mother/child bond -- which is one of the strongest among human (and animal) instincts and overrides almost everything. How many of us would die rather than let someone hurt our kids? (Not Katie, apparently.)
It makes the cult members so much easier to control.
The baby is used to hearing his/her mom's and dad's voices and noises from inside the womb. Putting the wee one in total silence could do some serious psychological damage. But since Tom knows all about the history of psychology and we don't we're all just being GLIB.
Kool Aid Katie is fooking crazy.
Yet more proof that anyone who believes that shit is an idiot.
Idiotology, it should be called.
Fuck them for preying on the weak and stupid.
nia,
Totally agree. Katie is a grown ass woman who chooses to go along with this bullcrap. In the end I blame Katie more than Tom. He's been bat crazy for years and is beyond help. She decided to sell her child for $$$.
6. He also claims that a great number of midwives and doctors are scientologists themselves.
I'll ask my midwife to see if thats true!!
Stoney...I know what you mean.
It's like men who protest abortion. WTF? Whenever they're able to push a kid through their dick they can tell me what to do with my body.
Holy Shit!!! Do these people maintain a diet of lead paint chips?
LMAO@ Jennifer
Birth trauma? Have scientologists ever heard of "infantile amnesia?" Oh no, that's something dirty psychologists came up with. What do they know with their fancy PhD's. Let's look to a science fiction writer for guidance instead. That's like looking for guidance from Stephen King.
Kids don't remember much, if anything, about events that occurred before the age of 3. Does Tom Cruise remember being born? Oh, maybe one of his alien souls living in his kidney remembers.
FUCK THOSE 2 LOSERS - they dont deserve to have a child if that is their thinking - THAT IS PURE NEGLECT!!!!
god, i have to drive by that damn scientology complex every time i go to the head doctor. i like to flip them off as i drive by. be silent about that bitches. and yes, i am heavily medicated.
If after getting the information about the birth and 'aftercare' that her baby would receive, Katie Holmes didn;t immediately pick up and run away then she is the stupidest twat in the world and deserves everything that's coming to her - the only person i feel sorry for in all this is the baby, if it ever appears.
Oops. I put my email addy in the URL line instead.
Geez. Does it take a week for general anesthesia to wear off the brain? Seriously, I feel like I can't think straight yet. Pass me some of Katie's Kool Aid! LOL!
14. If the husband uses language during sex, "every word is going to be engramic".
Okay if you're able to have sex silently then....well maybe you should look at a diffrent partner hee hee hee I had a personal chuckle at that rule.
Here is the link (one of them) to his son's scary-as-shit interview:
http://www.lermanet.com/scientol...erview-
1983.htm
If there were any justice in this world a pack of wolves would descent on TomKats abode and take their baby away to raise it.
You know it would be much better off.
so, is the bitch still pregnant? she's probably gonna hold it until the premiere of MI:3. heck, if she attends the premiere screening, she might even "go into labor" that evening!
This is the most ridiculous crap EVER! How can that many people follow along like dumb sheep? It goes against the very principles of nature!
And I don't know what kind of deliveries L Ron was ever at but I can assure most people in the room are very respectful, kind, encouraging... there's no one hollering at the laboring woman!
so, is the bitch still pregnant? she's probably gonna hold it until the premiere of MI:3. heck, if she attends the premiere screening, she might even "go into labor" that evening!
lordoftheorcs | 04.12.06 - 1:01 pm | #
something like that would NOT surprise me or at LEAST the night before...I seriously think there would be OUT CRIES if this did happen...
I just want to kick him in the crotch so hard, but it wouldn't hurt him cuz we all know bitch has a really tiny weiner. He's so totally a bottom.
I posted this yesterday, but here it is again for anyone who might have missed it.
She's HAD that kid, and they're lying about it. NOBODY gets skinner right before birth!!
http://p102.ezboard.com/
ffreekat...icID=1675.topic
What do you want to bet the baby will "appear" right around time to promote "MI:3 Who gives a shit?"
Bug Spray I think she's already had it too. She was pregnant before the Paris engagement thing. Go back and look at her morning sickness face, slight tummy bulge on her skinny body. This baby's done cooked and out of the oven!
well that poor thing better get some quiet while it can, he is going to have to hear that looney toon of a dad talk about aliens and shit.
I've never seen a pregnancy handled in such shame.
Fuck tom cruise. i'm actually pissed off at katie for allowing this shit to happen stupid ho.
In my psych class i was told that you were supposed to use that time to bond with the baby...i wish he would get a clue
Actually, I'm with Bug Spray and Scout. I think she had it already.
So, after the 11th month of pregnancy , they are still trying to make us believe Katie is truly with child. You have to admit that they are devoted to their cause at the Cruise camp.
Well said Hoff | 04.12.06 - 12:57 pm
Well if the kid has been born they are faking it so that the seven days of quite can be done without any one the wiser.
There was a study done on baby monkeys that were isolated from their mothers and they withered away without the care and affection.
Thanks, Bugspray for that link... I think she had that baby. I watched the whole Video of her shopping and she was getting around too easy.
I am insane with anger at this. That is EVIL. People are all over Britney and Kevin, but somehow this seems more damaging than driving with your kid on your lap. This explains why John Travolta's kid is autistic. I am sputtering with outrage!
i wish there was a way to get that midget fag preggers so he can go through "silent birth" and then punch him in the grill everytime he screams...now THAT i would enjoy seeing..asshole
Katie, Katie, Katie!! What are you doing? Her parents need to get her the hell away from Tom Cruise. If his antics on Oprah's couch and his verbal beat down of Matt Lauer didn't prove he was a lunatic, this certainly does. In about 20 years, she'll write a book about her horrible experience. Let's just hope the baby isn't too damaged before she realizes this dude is bonkers. Run Girl!! RUN!!!!!!!
the more i hear about this fucked up religion, i want to know more. who are all the celebrity science freaks and do they have a website?
DUMB VACANT CUNT...HE CHOOSE WELL,HE KNEW SHE WAS A STUPID LITTLE GIRL BEFORE HE CALLED HER.
HER FATHER NEEDS TO HAVE HER ASS COMMITTED!
Not talking to your newborn for 7days? That's so outrageous. If that's true there all totally fucked up
Hekki,
I'm with you. Brit Brit was an idiot for driving with the baby on her lap but this takes the cake. I predict Tom Cruise's kids will be the most messed up of all celebrity kids. Forget about Spears-Fed, forget about the Jolie-Pitts, and forget about Charlie Sheens kids. TomKat is creating the next serial killer.
Luckily, with this kind of a beginning to life, combined with a $cientology "education," we're in no danger of $cientologists ever taking over the planet.
They're all either dumb or dead!
What a stupid empty person this Katie is!!!
L Ron Hubbard was a Con Man.
Ruby | 04.12.06 - 12:56 pm | #
the truly sad part is the baby is going to have these two idiots for parents
...newborns don't respond to voices but sound..especially hearbeats...how can they deprive the little one of that comfort...a mothers heartbeat is the only sound he/she has heard for 9 months!...i hope Katie knows what she agreed to because all the mothers i know would KILL someone if they were unable to hold, talk to, or kiss their baby after giving birth...personnaly i don't think she will be able to abide by this..i think the mothering instict will kick in...hopefully..
I used to feel sorry for her, now I think she must be the dumbest broad in the world to go along with something as insane as this. She deserves whatever misery this whack-job and his ensuing cult shove down her throat. An innocent baby, however, doesn't.
This article is simply AMAZING.
http://www.lermanet.com/scientol...entol...erview-
1983.htm
I think Tom is just as crazy as L. Ron Hubbard Sr.!
This is from L. Ron's son's interview. These are the same tactics Tiny Tom uses whenever anyone "maligns" him. Very telling!!
L.Ron Hubbard Jr.: It's very simple. Scientology has always had a "fair-game doctrine"--a policy of doing absolutely anything to stop an investigation or publication of a critical article in a magazine or newspaper. They have run some incredible operations on the several people who have tried to write books about Scientology. It was almost like a terror campaign. First they'd try throwing every possible lawsuit at the reporter or newspaper. We had a team of attorneys to do just that. The goal was to destroy the enemy. So the solution was always to attack, full-bore, with every possible resource, from every angle, instantaneously it can certainly be overwhelming. A guy would get slapped with twenty-seven lawsuits, and our lawyers would start depositioning absolutely anybody who ever knew the man, digging up dirt while at the same time putting together an operation that would get him into further trouble. I know of one case, concerning Paulette Cooper, who wrote a book called The Scandal of Scientology, in which they spent almost $500.000 trying to destroy her.
http://www.lermanet.com/scientol...erview-
1983.htm
Snap, TheZoloftIsWorking! LOL!
The idea that you can't talk to your newborn is not only absurd, it goes against nature and instinct! As soon as my children are born, it's just instinct to talk to them and calm them down. How horrible to just sit there and watch your child scream! And when they get hurt, you just smile?! WTF? This is some REALLY fucked up shit. I hope NOBODY goes to see his movie. What a freaking wack job...and Katie is buying into it. Just think, I used to love Dawson's Creek! LOL what happened to Joey?!?
I remember when I was born, it was terrible. All I wanted was maternal neglect, but nooooo...all that cooing and loving.... There were people smiling at me and kissing me. I think I'm traumatized for life.
They are so fucked up. They are now on my "if I quit commenting, they will go away" list, a la Brangelina and Pete Doherty. I do not think it's out of the realm of possiblity that Katie and Chris' baby has already been born, and is now being reared by Scientologist wet nurses (a picture of the Star Wars bar comes to mind...)
this preganancy is fake either induce the labor its been like 11 months already somethings fishy
Damn it, my boss is here. I CANNOT wait to see what you bitches have been saying. I know it's going be good and funny! SHIT.
Upon further reading of L. Ron Jr's interview, I now understand everything.
L. Ron Jr.: (my father's) own secret life was deeply involved in the occult and black-magic. That involvement goes back to when he was sixteen, living in Washington. D.C. He got hold of the book by Alistair Crowley called The Book of Law.
He was very interested in several things that were the creation of what some people call the Moon Child. It was basically an attempt to create an immaculate conception --except by Satan rather than by God.
Another important idea was the creation of what they call embryo implants --of getting a satanic or demonic spirit to inhabit the body of a fetus. This would come about as a result of black-magic rituals, which included the use of hypnosis, drugs, and other dangerous and destructive practices.
We've been calling the TomKitten the Anti-Christ in jest. But this is some scary shit!!
Warren, that article was fucked up! I'm scared!!! Tom needs to be euthanized. Katie needs her Daddy to whoop her ass Catholic school style. And I need a bong hit!
Crap. That was me. I can't get my name and avatar to stay put in one place. LOL!
jen-o | 04.12.06 - 1:38 pm
hahaa Damn, tell me about it!! This 1 women that kept bothering me with all the kisses and snuggles AND forced to breastfeed me!! The nerve of that woman! I wanted to cut that bitch up right then and there!!
I can't believe these people take an f%#@$g science fiction writer's stupid ramblings as a religion. Not to mention what the hell does L. Ron Hubbard know about babies anyhow? He was a bigamist--abandoned his first wife and children for another woman--married her while still married to the other.Both wives said he physically abused them.His own son said he was only interested in money, sex, booze and drugs.The son he chose to replace him was reportedly gay and either was murdered or committed suicide. And most of the claims from the official Scientology biography of this man have been proven to be false.
What kind of IDIOTS would follow anything this man developed!
Sorry I get carried away at the sheer stupidity of all of this.
First of all, nobody remembers that far back. Second, any traumatic or extremely painful experience, the brain deals with it by blurring the details in your memory. Third, the mother's voice is actually soothing to the baby, because they associate it with all the pampering and caring and breastfeeding they receive from her, etc.
And finally, years later the child may end up hating her mother anyway. So what's wrong with starting early?
EVERYTIME I LOOK AT A PIC OF HER WITH HER CHEESY SMILE IT CREEPS ME OUT ,THIS IS THE CREEPIEST COUPLE EVER I THINK SOMETHING SICK IS HAPPENEING,KATIE MADE A BIG MISTAKE BEING WITH TOM NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT HER AGAIN WE ALL THINK SHES TWISTED SHE NEEDS HELP ,ITS TO SAD TO MAKE FUN OF HER CAUSE SHE SEEMS HOPELESS,ITS BEEN 11 MONTHS NO BABY YET YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME ,THIS IS A PUBLICITY STUN T ,I HOPE IT GETS EXPOSED THESE TWO ARE A SICK COMBO GOD THE REAL GOD NEEDS TO HELP THEM
John Travolta's kid is autistic? How the fuck to the creepologists explain that?
holy shit, everyone should read that penthouse article with l ron's son....that's some seriously crazy stuff.
God Damn Tom Cruise and God Damn Katie for being such a fucking sheep.
I hope his career tanks, big time.
Somebody mentioned the Penthouse interview with L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. Here's a link...
http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/
scien240.html
His son is autistic? Maybe someone farted during delivery.
I wonder if Tom and John 69 when they go on scientology retreats.
Cluessy: according to what I read, the Travolta's won't admit that he's autistic and won't have him treated or tested. Sad, sad.
That is beyond stupid. As if the baby has not heard the mother's voice in the womb it's whole per-birth life!!! I wonder if L Ron Hubbard ever had any children of his own, I wonder how f***ed up they are??
wow. that's fucked up
What we need is another big comet to orbit around Earth again. Maybe they will pull a Heavens Gate and then we can get rid of these scientists once and for all!!
So how did Tom become an expert on the history of psychiatry/psychology (since he confuses the two)? Books on tape?
Also, just to state the obvious, if Katie isn't allowed to make any noise during 'labour' anyway, then how on earth would the baby associate her voice with the 'trauma of birth'.
So lots of doctors and midwives are scientologists, huh? Guess I'll have to ask my midwife where she stands on that one...
Scientologists are pathetic.
I just finished reading that article by L.Ron Hubbard Jr. He claims his dad believed to be Satan incarnate. He performed all sorts of black magic and ritual abortions while under the influence of hallucinogenic drugs. L. Ron Hubbard was insane and evil. He was a bankrupt science fiction writer who wrote Dyanetics in order to make money. This cult isn't just ridiculous, it's dangerous. It's no better than that cult the feds took down in Waco, Texas.
Bug Spray, that's some heavy S*** about Paulette Cooper. This group functions like terrorists. I also wanted to add that studies have shown that the mothers who were separated from their children at birth (in some cases because they were ill) had severe stress, and often could not bond with their babies well. Many thought the child was "not theirs" and that a mistake had happened. That is part of the reason hospitals allow the mother to interact with even the sickest premies, as well as for the child's well being. Sounds like another tactic to keep the followers off guard and dependent on the cult.
this link has an article about kelly preston on montel williams show discussing her son Jett http://www.cultnews.com/archives...ves/
000031.html
-sorry, you had answered my question already. I just read the history of Hubbard and his children ^ (thanks) Sick, sick bastard!
if you scroll down a bit it addresses the autism thing
You know, this 'cult' needs to be fucking stopped. The only reason they're still around is because people are afraid to attack 'religions' in this country, and also because this fucked up cult is chock full of dumb-assed fucking celebs.
well, if the birth has to be silent, how will the baby associate it? The baby hears its mothers voice for nine months, then it's going to come out and hear nothing??? That is the cruelest thing I have ever heard! I am absolutely disgusted. I will never watch another movie or anything involving these two or other Scientologists. That is horrid and extremely sad.
DO NOT give these tools ONE PENNY of your hard-earned money! Tom Cruise is $cientology's BIGGEST donor. $cientology uses their money to sue their critics into submission. This tool will not receive one penny from me ever again. I won't see the movies he stars in or produces. Katie's career is over. Can you imagine taking her seriously in anything?
I guess Scientology can cure autism like it cured Tom's dyslexia. I guess "curing" means not accepting it as part of their 'reality', thay way it just doesn't exsist. That line of thinking can cover up a lot of sick behavior!!
No wonder this shit is banned in Germany!
I'm deadly serious about boycotting scientologist's movies, etc. I saw, "thank you for smoking" over the weekend without knowing Katie was in it. Next time I see a scientologist pop up on my screen I'm bailing.
No shit, this fuckers drive me nuts. I hate people who aimlessly follow someone like Hubbard. What a fucking idiot. A little research and these fuckers would know they're being punk'd.
I agree with you, beefeaterupextradry!!
I will NEVER give any Scientology participant my business nor money, e.g., Jenna Elfman, Travolta, Preston, Cruise, Alley, Masterson, etc...
Boycott their movies, in theaters, on IO, on dvd's, don't watch their shows on TV, don't do Jenny Craig, etc...
I am also planning to boycott anything to do with scientology. It won't be hard to boycott Tom Cruise..I hate his movies anyway! Fuck that thetan!
Thanks for the list MizRo, there were a few names on it that I didn't know were memebers. I totally agree, and will live by from now on. This cult has certainly found a good "platform" to launch their madness, -the entertainment industry.
does anybody remember the website that somone posted a few days ago that lists many different scientologists in Hollywood?
I sure would like to have that list Shondi, I would email it to a s***load of people I know would be interested. I know this theme has been over-worked, but the separating the child at birth bit reminds me of Rosemary's Baby. Hell, the whole situation does.
"He has his father's eyes...."
I'm going to find it, Shondi - I'll be back shortly!
Here's a list of who to boycott.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Lis..._Scientologists
OMG... at the end of the interview, L. Ron Jr. says this:
Hitler was involved in the same black magic and the same occult practices that my father was. The identical ones. Which, as I have said, stem clear back to before Egyptian times. It's a very secret thing. Very powerful and very workable and very dangerous. Brainwashing is nothing compared to it.
The proper term would be "soul cracking." It's like cracking open the soul, which then opens various doors to the power that exists, the satanic and demonic powers.
Simply put, it's like a tunnel or an avenue or a doorway. Pulling that power into yourself through another person --and using women, especially -- is incredibly insidious. It makes Dr. Fu Manchu look like a kindergarten student.
It is the ultimate vampirism, the ultimate mind-fuck, instead of going for blood, you're going for their soul.
Tom and his cult got Katie's soul.
Kirstie Alley, actress
Anne Archer, actress (her son, Tom Davis, runs the Los Angeles "Celebrity Centre")
James Barbour, Broadway actor
Lynsey Bartilson, actress
Catherine Bell, actress
Mary Bono, congresswoman
Sonny Bono, artist and congressman (claimed Catholicism on campaign biographies)
Sami Boukai, country music singer
Rufus Buck, folk singer
David Campbell, musician
Nancy Cartwright, voiceover artist, most famous as the voice of Bart Simpson
Sharon Case, actress
Kate Ceberano, actress and musician
Erika Christensen, actress
Chick Corea, musician
Tom Cruise, actor (formerly Catholic, according to Parade)
Sky Dayton, founder and Chairman of the Board of EarthLink
Jason Dohring, actor
Jenna Elfman, actress, formerly Catholic, and her husband Bodhi, actor
Soleil Moon Frye, actress
Brent Graber, voice of 'Otis' in movie 'Milo and Otis'
Zachary Goertz, actor
Paul Haggis, director
Beck Hansen, musician
Isaac Hayes, musician, actor, and formerly voiceover artist ("Chef (South Park character)")
Katie Holmes, actress, introduced to Scientology by fiance Tom Cruise
Nicky Hopkins, musician
Mark Isham, musician
Terry Jastrow, TV producer and director (married to Anne Archer)
Mike Joubert, Bronson Pinchot's voice coach
Cyprien Katsaris, musician
Chaka Khan, singer
Jarod Knoten, director
Jason Lee, actor and professional skateboarder
Paul Leland, magician
Geoffrey Lewis, actor
Johnny Lewis, actor
Juliette Lewis, actress
Peggy Lipton, actress
Christopher Masterson, actor
Danny Masterson, actor
Lisa McPherson, died at Fort Harrison Hotel
Peter Medak, director
Jim Meskimen, actor and improviser
Sofia Milos, actress (CSI: Miami)
Elisabeth Moss, actress
Floyd Mutrux, writer, director and producer
Haywood Nelson, actor
Corin Nemec, actor
Marisol Nichols, actress
Judy Norton, actress and musician
Brandy Norwood, actress and singer
Eduardo Palomo, actor, and his wife Carina, actress and musician
Don Pearson, 'Management by Statistics' consultant
Michael Pena, actor
Bernadette Peters, actress and singer (source: Bergen Record 3/10/1985, may be an ex-member)
Jeff Pomerantz, actor and founder of Hollywood Says No to Drugs
Lisa Marie Presley, singer and daughter of Elvis
Priscilla Presley, actress and wife of Elvis
Kelly Preston, actress and John Travolta's wife
Leah Remini, actress
Giovanni Ribisi, actor
Marissa Ribisi, actress, wife of Beck Hansen, sister of Giovanni Ribisi.
Carina Ricco, singer, actress and composer
Michael D. Roberts, actor
Mimi Rogers, actress -- believed to not be active in the church anymore, but still holds the beliefs
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Congresswoman
Gloria Rusch-Novello, singer, writer and actress
Pablo Santos, actor
Meghan Schlinder, swimsuit model
Kristin Schwing, actress
Jeffrey Scott, writer for TV cartoons
Billy Sheehan, rock bassist
David Singer, chiropractor, 'Management by Statistics' consultant
Reed Slatkin, criminal ponzi scheme perpetrator
Michelle Stafford, actress
Ethan Suplee, actor
Patrick Swayze, actor
Greta Van Susteren, host of On the Record with Greta Van Susteren on FNC
John Travolta, actor
Josh Wiener, actor
Edgar Winter, musician
David Wittig, CEO
Bryan Zwan, founder of Digital Lightwave, inventor of fiber-optic testing equipment
Moesha is a scientologist?!
http://www.adherents.com/
largeco...entologist.html
Holy s***!!! Thanks for the list (both) Texas Mamma, and MizRo, and for the information Bug Spray. Taking the baby from the mother sounded like ("mind f***ing) making the mother dependent on the church to see her child, (stripping the maternal bond early on) these people are so sick!!
I wish the people who 'renounced' this religion would speak out, but they are probably afraid!!
I forgot to comment! Shondi, I'm not sure if that is the list you were talking about, but it's the one that I have found since I planned on doing the same thing... boycotting these pricks. Some of the people in this list really surprised me. It's a shame because I used to love Giovanni Ribisi!
Bug Spray: So was Charles Manson! They found much literature at the Ranch when he was arrested!
parker lewis is a scientologist?
hmmmm, starting to see why crash won best picture....lol
It says Rob Thomas, but I think that's wrong... anyone?
Fucking Greta is the most bitter pill to swallow. Fuckers!
I'm seriously printing that fucking list up and memorizing it. I'll never give another cent of my hard-earned money to one of this brainless fuck wads.
I cannot stand Tom Crazy and Katie Homely anymore! Katie Homely has got to be the dumbest person ever! I think she's even dumber than Paris. I'm so tired of seeing his demonic grin and her ugly-ass face everywhere...Unfortunately, I don't think they will go away although I'm glad people are saying that they should be boycotted. That's a good step.
Thanks,y'all for the lists...very interesting.
Thank you! Finally! I've been screaming this shit very unlike a breeding scientologist mother!
Get out there, spread the word, save the children!
MsAstr, thanks for your link as well. If you click on the name you can read the person's own words about how Scientology "changed their life" They all seem to sound like a commerical. Travolota's states "I have a great wife, and a great child, all due to Scientology" He doesn't mention that his son is autistic, everything is just 'great'. I wonder if they did the separation at birth bit with their child?
Okay...even more bitter...bart simpson is a scientologist. Oh shit. That just blows.
No prob Cammie. I had no idea that Jason Lee was a friggin scientologist. I'll never watch EARL again!
Emilio Estevez - actor
John Brodie - football player
Don Simpson - producer, Top Gun, etc.
Candice Bergen - actress, star of TV series Murphy Brown, Boston Public, etc. (may have not actually been a member)
Leonard Cohen - songwriter, poet
Stanley Clarke - jazz bassist
Darby Crash - punk rocker
Ricky Martin - singer
Olivia D'Abo - actress
Cathy Lee Crosby - actress
Gloria Gaynor - singer and "disco queen"
Howard Wilkins - founder of Pizza Hut
Diana Canova - singer, actress
Raven de la Croix - stripper, psychic, actress
Gabor Szabo - jazz guitarist and composer (died 1982)
A.E. van Vogt - science fiction writer
Ingo Swann - writer, psychic, painter
Barbara Carrera - actress
Frank Stallone - actor, singer, songwriter; brother of Sylvester Stallone
Michael Garson - musician who toured with David Bowie
Michael Edwards - male model, former boyfriend of Priscilla Presley
Peter Lupus - actor (Mission Impossible TV series)
Al Jarreau - singer
Wendon Swift - Hollywood author, manager
Bobby Lipton - actor
Dini Petty - talk show host
Demi Moore - actress
Kalle Pohl - comedian
Bert Salzman - producer; won Academy Award in 1975 for a short film and thanked L. Ron Hubbard in speech
Bernhard Paul - clown, manager of "Circus Roncalli"
Harold Puthoff - mathematician, physicist, ESP researcher
The Incredible String Band - musicians, band
Lee Konitz - jazz musician
Stephen Boyd - actor
Joan Prather - actress
Leif Garrett - pop star
Carlos Palomino - athlete
Bruce Penhall - actor
Lou Rawls - soul music, jazz, and blues singer
John Dalmas - science fiction writer
Michael Lembeck - actor, director
Mickey McMeel - Three Dog Knight drummer
Cynthia Sikes - actress
Gordon Lightfoot - singer, composer, lyricist
Dale Haddon - actress, model
Chick Vennera - actor
Joan DiVito Vennera - actor
Flo Allen - major Hollywood agent
Hunter Carson - actor
Penny Perry - casting director
Ed Love -
Steven Boyd -
Lisa Blount - actress
Aldous Huxley - writer
Josh Dohnen - agent
Anne Francis - actress
Eileen Brennan - actress
Horst Buchholtz - actor
Tom Skeritt - actor
Nan Herst Bowers - celebrity, publicist
John Longenecker - Emmy Award-winning documentary filmmaker
Kathleen Brown - ran for governor of California (not clear if she was official member)
Maude Adams - actress, model
Charles Manson - infamous serial killer
its not all katie's fault, tom gave her a lobotomy,that plus the mind altering drugs & her stupidy keep her in line
even if she wanted to escape,i dont think anyone, including her parents can save her, can help her, she knows to much,the cult wont let her go without a fight
Friends and fellow boycotters:
Jason Lee is a fucking $cientologist. Because that fucking "Earl" show comes on just before "The Office" I always have to tune in late due to my pledge not to have one second of $cientologist in my living room. I screamed and dropped the remote the other day when Kirstie Alley and her fugly sisters appeared on a Jenny Craig commercial during "The Gilmore Girls." I can't buy Neutrogena products because of Kelly Preston. I'm seriously considering sending back every DVD I own with a $cientologist in it to the movie studio that produced the film. I loved "Keeping the Faith." I can't watch it now because Jenna Elfman is a stupid, fucking $cientologist proselyte of the first fucking order, and I can't enjoy the movie without thinking of that poor $cientologist from Buffalo, Elli Perkins who was stabbed to death with a kitchen knife by the schizophrenic son she refused to medicate. This all happened a few weeks after Jenna Elfman presided over the opening of the Buffalo, New York $cientology Center.
Even Ricky Martin! Gloria Gaynor! Al Jarreau! Tom Skerrit!
Beyond belief.
I watched the Trapped in the Closet episode on youtube a few days ago...if you haven't seen it, you should watch it. You can definitely tell why Tom had it banned!
A poor little girl has to have Tom Cruise for a father... ew
meant to say episode of South Park
Elfman has a show on TV now, beafeaterupextradry!
That is so incredibly wrong. I hate these 2 more daily, and usually I just don't care either way. But had anyone told me I couldn't speak to my son for a week after giving birth, I would have told them to go and fuck themselves in 4 different languages. She's an idiot for following him and his cult. I can't wait for MI3 to flop, I am going to bask in his misery
What the scientology cult promotes is "failure to thrive" in newborns.
It has been SCIENTIFICALLY proven that a baby requires human touch, sound, love , affection and MORE touch to thrive.
You wonder about the recruiting tactics. I don't think it is any coincidence that the vast majority of members come from the field of entertainment. Hitler understood the power of mass media, and propaganda very well too.
I am also very shocked at some of the names on the list, I would have never known if you all had not provided it. They are probably pissed at Tom because, obviously they wanted to keep this a secret from the general public. Too Bad!!!!
I also think that I heard a while ago that Mimi Rogers whose father was a prominent Scientologist and introduced Tom to the 'church' is no longer involved with Scientology. Oh, and no way in HELL do they have 8 million followers. That is such bullshit. Go to this site, it's pretty informative.
www.clambake.org
L Ron Hubbard spoke on the importance of celebrity followers actually and how they should experience the church differently. WEIRD FUCKS!
I completely agree with the poster who said they do this whole baby/mother seperation to weaken the bond and therefore making the cult easier to control.
MsAstro, I went to that clambake site the other day..It was quite eye-opening!
What the fuck? I try to cut Tom some slack, but this is too much. Even the Parade article mentioned how vacant Katie was. I can only imagine what his Scientology people have done to her.
Yeah, boycotting sucks cause their are actually some cool people on that list.
I am really hoping that Katie is going along with all that shit cause she thinks she is in love, blah blah. I pray that once she hears that baby cry out for the first time her motherly insticts will take control and she will get enough brain function to tell Tom where to shove his beliefs.
If that baby can't stop the brainwashing, then nothing will. She will be lost forever!
These are real and tangible monsters.
No, they are not hiding in the closet, not waiting to rob and rape you in the subway, but right out in the open in your favorite shows, films, books, media.
This frightens me more than anything: a world full of cold, heartless, children that grow to be even colder, sociopathic adults!
MizRo, I'm memorizing all names on the list. I've been boycotting this cult's mouthpieces for some time, but Earl? Shame!
I don't feel sorry for Katie anymore, just the baby. She is as messed up as Tom.
hmmm, katie can't speak to the child for seven days, but the baby gets to see their fucked father grinning mug instead...hmmmmm
You wonder about all of the millions of dollars that are pouring into this cult. For every dollar spent on any movies one of these people makes, probably .20 goes into the till for Scientology. A sobering thought.
"Demi Moore - actress"
Isn't she Kabbalah now?
You know what's really weird - even that Betsy Lynn George (slut of the day earlier this week) took Scientology classes:
http://www.truthaboutscientology...ynn-
george.html
"Note: Preliminary analysis suggests that about 60% of people who try Scientology do only a single course or service, that 80% of new members become inactive within 2 years, and that 65% of those who reach the level of Clear become inactive within a year after doing so. The older a list, the more likely that a person listed on it is no longer involved in Scientology."
Which explains why they are always trying to recruit new members: $$$$$
Thanks, Jennifer, I know!
Katie has already had the baby/ies...
It is too late for her and her child/ren.
She caved in. Dumb girl, very dumb!
Interesting point letingstar. Does TOM get to see the baby?, only the mother is deprived of her child. I thought I remember reading that the child would be "looked after" by other members of the church. I wonder if this includes Tom?
Babies and mothers need to bond so not interacting verbally with the child for the first 7 days is really, really NOT advisable. I suppose that leaves the poor baby to be 'talked to' by Cruise since it specifically mentions that Katie cannot talk to it. Just gets weirder by the minute, doesn't it?
Thanks Tallulah, that gives us all a bit of hope at least!
If you go to www.scientology.com and scroll down on the left, it gives you the 411 on silent birthing.
That way, she will not bond with the baby, and the baby becomes the property of the scientologists. Makes me puking sick
Isn't there studies that siprove that theory?? That you should interact with the child after birth??
KeLLKeLL | 04.12.06 - 12:40 pm |
You're kidding, right?
You have to be kidding me to even write that.
You should not let the baby leave your side, so the mother and baby bond, through all senses. The baby already knows the mother's voice - she's been hearing it for 9 months. And breastfeeding completes the bond.
The apocalypse is upon us...
this shit blows my mind. those lists blow my mind. i am at a complete loss.
I wonder why this shit is pissing me off so much! It's totally infuriating. I've never boycotted anything before and I'm dead serious about not watching any of these bastards/assholes/bitches work AGAIN!
It kills me because I love The Simpsons, but after reading how Nancy Cartwright wouldn't read a line about scientology being weird I have no choice.
We should all band together like the Guardian Angels and kick some Scientology ass!
I know Morticia... Millions upon millions of dollars feeding this cult, enabling it, perpetuating it!
seriously, where is Katies father. Why is he such a pussy in all this?
now that i see this list, i know who not to support......i'm disgusted and surprised by some of the names on the list....
I just quickly read the silent birth, and detoxing sections on the Scientology website. They try to sound all sane, and reasonable but key phrases pop up, like "auditing". Some process they want you to use before you decide to use medical treatments, and the "toxins can effect your spirit" bit. Like demons or something.
They use the most extreme examples of toxins residing in your system, like Agent Orange, Nuclear waste ect. You know it is all just a "see, we are safe" screen for public consumption.
i hate these bitches... both of 'em!
i'm just going to give my shpeal real quick...as a psyc grad and one who gave a presentation last night on criminal profiling (yes, it will come into play)...
first of all, and this has been mentioned in previous posts...it has been scientifically proven (with baby apes) that babies NEED physical closeness. they placed the baby in a cage with a wire mother which gave the food, and a cloth mother which gave no nutrition. they were trying to determine if it was important for an infant to be cuddled and feel warmth. the baby ape never budged from the cloth mother unless it absolutely had to feed. it chose warmth and closeness over food.
secondly, it is also scientifically proven that babies bond with their mothers during the first 6 months of infancy. these days, mothers are going to work much more quickly after giving birth - not truly giving the child the opportunity to imprint. this hugely effects the child's ability to develop their emotional intelligence, their empathy for others, and their ability to form and sustain healthy relationships throughout their life. this has plays a major role in the environmental and social factors leading to the creation of sociopaths.
i bring this stuff up, because taking the baby away from Kate, even for a week, has the potential to substantially hinder the relationship formed between Kate and her baby, which will ultimately effect the child in a very negative manner.
Papa Holmes ad family was threatened with financial and professional ruin, I am sure!
He tried his best, but the scientolgoy way is to storm you with lawsuits, threats, disparagement. They also threatened that they would NEVER see the child - I am sure.
Katie needs to be bitch-slapped for not listening to her Dad - in this case, he wanted what was best for his daughter and grandchild, unlike Simpson's father.
The baby will have "attachment" issues, Morticia. Insecure attachment.
All so true Morticia, I remember reading much of the same things about the baby gorilla experiment. Destroying the bond between the mother and the child immediatedly following birth sounds like a henious, and well thought out strategy to demoralize the mother, and estrange the child. All cult tatics used to 'break' the member and give the cult more power over them. It really gets everyone's blood boiling when they use it on a newborn baby. Its bad enough on a adult, but to subject a child to it is unforgivable.
The scientology website does not come across insane at first glance, but that's how they get people. When you go to them, they give you a pesonality test,and the results you get from it make you believe that you are a depressed person that no one wants to be around, and several other bad things about yourself. After they attack your self-esteem, they begin to slowly brainwash you. When you accept one of their beliefs, it makes it easier to accept the next one, then the next one,etc..until you get so deep into it that you become a nutjob like our Tommy.
Cammie, Shondi, Morticia, Letinstar, Kats, etc..: this frightens me more than many other things.
Just imagine, all the younsters birthed and/or raised by these "devotees": their lack of social conscience, lack of respect and tolerance for others, the lack of moral and spirtual fibre.
I want to cry.
Dear God I just thought of this. It makes perfect sense now. By not allowing the mother to speak, the child will not recognize her voice, leaving the child open without maternal imprinting. Basic instincts that all animals use for bonding, and survival.
Then by taking the child away (before the child has imprinted/bonded with it's real mother) the baby will be hearing the voice of church elders, and thus they believe, will bond to them before it's own mother.
It also has the advantage of not allowing the mother to bond with the child either, so she will be more of a stranger to the baby, and place the church first before her child.
Sick bastards!
Totally, Cammie! You got it!
Cammie | 04.12.06 - 3:54 pm | #
Holy motherfuckers! that makes sense.
I don't mean to lessen the horrendous nature of this situation with a movie quote MizRo, but the line "Be afraid, be very afraid" come to mind.
Cammie, that was well said and makes perfect sense as to why these sick bastards are doing this seperation thing!
It's apropos, Cammie.
It's been scary and educational. I'm off. Have a Happy Easter, Passover or weekend!!!
Bye Jennifer, you too!
The separation AND the silent birth my friends. It is very well thought out.
You too, jennifer!! Enjoy!
You know what...I don't pretend to like kids even a little, but I really feel bad for this poor baby.
I'm so fucking disgusted with Katie Holmes that I could vomit. What is wrong with her? Why would she let some fucker tell her that she has to give her child up for a week?
They really are monsters. It honestly makes me want to do something...organize a group...picket...throw feces at the Scientolgy compound...something!
I feel so bad for Katie's family as well.
Morticia, as someone who also holds a BS in psych, let me tell you, it freaks me out to no end that there are people who honestly refer to this cult as a CHURCH. Everything we were taught as psych students and even experience as human beings proves that these people take advantage of those who are a little lost in life. It's scary that even the media (ie Matt Lauer)when faced with confronting Tom on the weirdness of Scientology prefers to stroke his ego and listen to him like the things that he's talking about have any validity to them whatsoever.
It's also a shame because I love Clearwater beach in Florida and I will NEVER be visiting there again because of the headquarters of Scientology being there. UGH.
I feel so bad for Katie's family as well.
Kats | 04.12.06 - 4:02 pm | #
I know! Can you imagine what they are going through?
WTF?!
Good Night all - boycott these peeps - see you in the AM!
If you are off for the holidays, Enjoy!
I'd be so upset if my sister (who is knocked up) was going to put her kid through this bullshit...and I'd feel so alientated and distant!
It's one thing to hate a family members bf or gf...but to have a fucking CULT involved in the matter...wow.
It just blows.
Good night too MizRo, I'm off too. Boycotting away. Happy Holidays to/U/too!
bye guys!
see ya guys later. I'm off as well.
BOYCOTT SCIENTOLOGY!
Where is the frigging baby, already?
Ya know, I'm all for boycotting these psychos, but I did want to add a word of caution.
Let's make sure the celebs actually belong to and support $cientology before we actually start boycotting.
I *think* Ricky Martin is a Buddhist.
There must be a way to confirm.
GrappleHooks I loooove your pic. Where is it from?
Wasn't he just whining about how his father abused him when he was a kid? You'd think that after the abuse, he'd want to break the cycle and give his kid as much love as possible.
Is anyone else having problems with posting or with their avatars...or is it just me?
that is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Can't she see what a whacko he is??????
Cammie | 04.12.06 - 3:54 pm | #
That makes so much sense. God, how I feel sorry for this baby.
bug spray..I've been having avatar problems also
Cruise's off-center front teeth REALLY bug me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get that shit fixed!!!!!
RUN KATIE, RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN!
Do these cults make up the rules as they go along? This is so bizarre. Who dreamed this half baked idea up?
And people are bitching about Brad and Angie wanting to have their baby in Africa........ Once again, where are her parents?!!!! WTF?!!!
That pillow is going to be so lonely for the first week.
Direct quote from an interview with L Ron Hubbard's son...if all the stuff he says in the article is true this is pretty messed up stuff. Scientology is actually satanic worship! Makes me wish the general public was more aware and would not support Tom Cruise and other scientologists..
http://www.lermanet.com/scientol...erview-
1983.htm
L Ron Hubbard Jr: The explanation is sort of long and complicated. The basic rationale is that there are some powers in this universe that are pretty strong. As an example, Hitler was involved in the same black magic and the same occult practices that my father was. The identical ones. Which, as I have said, stem clear back to before Egyptian times. It's a very secret thing. Very powerful and very workable and very dangerous. Brainwashing is nothing compared to it. The proper term would be "soul cracking." It's like cracking open the soul, which then opens various doors to the power that exists, the satanic and demonic powers. Simply put, it's like a tunnel or an avenue or a doorway. Pulling that power into yourself through another person --and using women, especially-- is incredibly insidious. It makes Dr. Fu Manchu look like a kindergarten student. It is the ultimate vampirism, the ultimate mind-fuck, instead of going for blood, you're going for their soul. And you take drugs in order to reach that state where you can, quite literally, like a psychic hammer, break their soul, and pull the power through. He designed his Scientology Operating Thetan techniques to do the same thing. But, of course, it takes a couple of hundred hours of auditing and mega-thousands of dollars for the privilege of having your head turned into a glass Humpty Dumpty --shattered into a million pieces. It may sound like incredible gibberish, but it made my father a fortune.
oh oh, wonder if she had the baby and ... it looks nothing like Tom (maybe blond hair or different nationality) ... that would cause some big problems needing time to "fix".
Is it just me or has her family just dissapeared? What SANE family would allow this type of stuff to go on?! I'm beyond just being annoyed by these two, now it's just pissing me off...
I just had to pop back in for a sec, this convo is just too interesting. Thoughts on Katie's parents silence, imagine some representive from the "church" stopping by and telling you that they hoped that you would not go public and express any concern, or conflict with the church's wishes because it would upset Katie and cause her great stress. Childbirth is potentially dangerous, especially a first, anything could happen, and they are sure they would not want that.
Since Katy is totally under their care, this could be a threat to the parents to make sure they don't go public with anything. Of course it is all speculation, but given the fact that Tom bugged the phones in Nicole's apartment, I wouldn't put it past the realm of possibility.
Oh, man, Cammie, that scenario is perfect $cientology at work.
Yeah, that is totally within the realm of possibility and I'm annoyed with myself that I didn't think of it. LOL!
I'm sure it would have come to you Bug Spray, I just tend to always think along those lines naturally. Too much Law & Order I guess lol....
I imagine they are also afraid of losing their daughter. Aren't scientologists supposed to dissassociate themselves form "non-believers"? If her parents aren't scientologists, wouldn't Katie see them as Suppresive People (as the scientologists call us normal people)
Yes, I am sure they would be considered "unexceptable" by the church Shondi. I also thought of something else. I thought this recent series of shopping pictures was a little odd. They didn't need to prove she was pregnant (at least perhaps in their eyes) AW?, I didn't think so, but I bet Katie's family have not seen her for a long time, and maybe this was done to pacify Katie's family to 'prove' she was well, and happy.
This is also the tactics that terrorist use with hostages. Using the media to show the 'captive' is OK. I might sound fanciful with all this, but it all seems to fit.
that's a good theory about the pictures of Katie. You know that these little outings have been staged for SOME reason. I'm sure if Katie needed stationary that bad someone could have gone to get it for her!
I am sure that they do not want Katie visiting her parents this close to the birth since it might mess up her programing. But can you imagine the edited, and bugged phone conversations her family might be getting from her?
Mother: hello Katie, how are you doing?
Katie: I'm fine mother, I am very happy.
Mother: Are you sure honey, you sound a bit tired?
Katie: I am really happy.
Mother: We really miss you Katie.
Katie: Tom is wonderful. I am so happy.
They probably paraded her out to be photograhed just to satisfy the parents. Spooky though isn' it?
Tom had to stand on a milk crate for Katie to rest her head on his shoulders like that.
It is spooky, and so sad for her family.
Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but it's all making sense. Cammie, your whole statement on breaking the mother/baby bond seems spot on. I'm sure the main reason alot of these celebs don't leave this cult is because the Co$ has dirt on them. That means if Katie truly was pregnant before she and Tom started "dating," she teamed up with Cruise and his church and confessed everything to keep her baby from being born outside of a committed relationship. If she leaves, Cruise & Co. will most likely shun her and create a smear campaign to counter anything she may try and reveal to the public.
I wonder how long before a Branch Davidian-style shoot out.
Yes, I am sure they are very influential Grapple-Hooks, and far reaching. They have a lot of important people in their group, and many connections- so this threat would be valid.
All this is supposing she actually IS pregnant. There are just so many things that are 'wrong' about this whole situation that any thing is possible. The separation, and silent birth ideology appears to be real thou, and that is frightening enough!
Exactly, Cammie. The stuff that they ADMIT TO is bizarre, at best. But that is probably just the tip of the iceberg. All the things that nobody knows about...the mind boggles!
i just read the hubbard junior interview with penthouse..right here
http://www.rickross.com/referenc...y/
scien240.html
this is crrraaazy shit..
i want to rip tom's balls off and shove it up his ass SO MUCH!!
I hope that dumb cunt dies in childbirth, that would be an awesome engram thingy to pass onto the kitten!
Tom of course would then have to shun the brat as it killed his true love! Obviously it would be the kitten's fault and not his "fruity little club"!
He would then finally succomb to the thetan thingy within and kill himself, live on "Oprah".
The Oprah show would get an Emmy for outstanding tv moment of the year and Oprah herself would get the Nobel prize for services towards humanity.
The now sexkitten would live a happy drug fuelled, gay sex filled, totally amazing mad life with all of "dad's" money and everyone will love him!
THE END.
someone stop him
I am thinking more and more along the lines that she isnt pregnant after all (I mean its been what a year already?) so that is why she is going along with this. They are waiting for a different baby to be born for Tom and they will pretend Katie had it. It all makes sense now. NO mother in their right mind, well even not in their right mind, would agree to such blasphemy with her own baby, but if it isnt her baby she doesnt care.
And one more thing, you couldnt pay me to go see a movie with Tom Cruise in it ever again, and i speak for everyone else I know. Bye bye career Tom, hello straight jacket.
Satan-tology
This also doesn't make sense because it is a known fact that babies can hear their mother's voice from inside the womb... so unless they made Katie silent for the whole pregnancy... the baby is alread tuned to the maternal voice
make a difference with your pocket books people! Show Hollywood what we really think about this nut!
Yeah, that should give the Church of $ a week to get a good start on the brainwashing process and/or prevention of the baby from bonding with her MOTHER! Dumbass sheep, following a cult and putting their sci-fi bullshit before documented proof that mothers need to bond with their babies and that in the mother's arms is the safest, securest place for the baby to be. I guess she's not allowed to breastfeed, unless Tom is taking female hormones and plans to do that for her because babies need to nurse immediately, if possible. Damn lemmings.
I am so hoping for a last-minute save-the-day attempt where Katie's father bitch slaps the shit outta Tom, takes his daughter and grandbaby and runs, then puts them into protective custody. Then, he can start the intervention and deprogramming of Katie. Hot damn! Wouldn't that be the shit for a reality show??? 
That maniacal sound of Tom's laugh should soothe the baby completely - NOT!
The first few days is when the baby NEEDS her mother!! Tom cruise is an asshole!! Scientology sucks balls!! This really pissed me off!!
Tom is a fucking idiot, and Katie is a dumb bitch to listen to him. Stupid cult followers.
that article is some sick shit...ron hubbard was a psycho satanist, and scientology is based on his fucked up beliefs...very scary, and i had no idea how many celebs actually follow this shit, how lonely is hollywood???
The will make an idiot out of the baby. In the first two weeks of a newborn the neuronsynapses are all building up. If you don't communicate with the baby this time it will have a lack concerning this issue.
She has had the baby already. That is why she is shopping so much, she isn't allowed to talk to the baby, so there is nothing better to do.
that article is some sick shit...ron hubbard was a psycho satanist, and scientology is based on his fucked up beliefs...very scary, and i had no idea how many celebs actually follow this shit, how lonely is hollywood???
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They are as lonely as they are f***ed up!
I would have killed with my bare hands anyone who suggested that I not talk to my kids after birth. And someone upthread made the good point that the baby hears you in utero! KH is an idiot for listening to this bilge.
georgethelast, there was an experiment done in the 30s, 40s or 50s (can't remember exactly when) where 50 babies were not held, talked to, soothed, touched, etc. except for diaper changes, feeding (which was done with a propped up bottle), dressing and bathing and 50 babies who were held while being fed, cuddled, talked to, soothed, played with, etc. They wanted to observe the difference (or lack of) between the two groups of babies. This type of barbaric experiment would never be allowed in today's society. The shocking results were that all 50 babies who were not held, cuddled, talked to, soothed, etc. DIED - FAILURE TO THRIVE SYNDROME! A soldier found an infant in a devastated village in Vietnam - the baby was the sole survivor. It was obviously malnourished and sickly. He took it to a military hospital where they hooked it up immediately to IV nutrients, ran tests, checked for illnesses and deficiencies, etc. Not ONCE during all of that poking, sticking and prodding did that baby cry. The theory was that it had been born at the time of the devastation and had cried and cried and cried when it was cold, wet and hungry, but since there was no one there to attend to its needs, it gave up its will to live. I learned about this stuff in psych class and I sat there in class and cried.
What the?
Yeah Tom Cruise's voice would be more traumatic indeed.
She has sold her soul to the devil!
And he's cashing in with the first born.
That's SSSOOO fucking stupid! The baby can't relate the voice to the trauma of child birth but it's okay for the mother to hold the baby, feed the baby, cuddle the baby....don't they think the baby's gonna NOTICE a difference from a placenta and an elbow!?!?!? What a joke!
CRAZYCAJUN | 04.12.06 - 12:54 pm | #
i am SOOOO with you on that one, babe, you definatly hit the nail on the head!
Most people here have parents who raised mindless twits, so why can't they?
Don't all parents pass their neurosis down to their children?
By the way, psychology is not imperfect and even questionably a science, so questioning its trendy logic is something all free thinkers should do. Not only scientologist drones believe the flawed field needs some accountability.
Also, I hate to defend the nutjob, but did anyone say she would not be nursing, cuddling or bonding with the baby through nonverbal means? Would a deaf/mute mother damage her child by not speaking to him?
FIRST CLASS DIVA BITCH I WONNA SHOOT YOU WITH THAT GUN CUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There was a study that said that babies who were shown more love by their parents in forms of talking and cuddling and etc. had better brain development. They were ahead of those babies that were let alone and felt no love by their parents.
Scientology might have the word scientology in it but that doesn't mean the religion actually follows scientically proven facts. More like an idiot decided to make up a bunch of rules for a religioin.
both of them must be the some of the most uneducated people out there.
anyone that knows anything about new borns or psychology knows that new borns need constant stimuli. that baby is going to turn out dumb as shit
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