How sad. I can't say I'm surprised. I don't know which came first, the mother's extremism or the children's dysfunction, but the two seem to always go hand in hand.
between you and harry maryles i am so depressed.
"Trilcat wrote to me suggesting that this might be Rabbanit Keren herself"
is there reasons to suspect this?
in a future post on the Burka Babes (TM), could you please discuss how they are viewed by secular israelis.
One thing for sure.
I'm sure that there are at least just as many non-chareidi abusive families in Israel, but the media only hypes the chareidi ones.
think about it
Batya, I don't know that you are right here. I haven't been following the Jerusalem story closely, but one of the children is in a coma and the father is at-large, and there is some weird family stuff going on. The abuse was particularly severe. Remember the story of the divorced father who killed his daughter and reported her as missing? He wasn't haredi and the press was all over that one.
BATYA:
i'm not sure, but i think that might have been Mother in Israel's point by mentioning the other 2 cases at the end.
of course you correct, but note that hiloni parents don't do horrible things in god's name. that makes it worse--and newsworthy.
maybe i was too quick on the "of course you are correct" (as per MOI's comment). i don't know about how the cases involving each community are reported in the media, but i really meant of course, you are correct that there is abuse in both communities.
I'm not sure it's fair to charge the media with unfairly scrutinizing haredim over this story. Jewish women wearing burkas and taking vows of silence is already a titillating story. Jewish women wearing burkas, taking vows of silence and beating their children to the point that they need hospitalization is over the top. How could a news organization not cover this story?
That being said, as someone with a great deal of respect for the haredi derech, I would not at all be surprised if child abuse is more common in haredi communities than MO or secular communities. Many haredi families are very large and money is extremely tight. Large family + little money = lots of stress. Add this on to the fact that the parents may be quite young and inexperienced...
note that hiloni parents don't do horrible things in god's name. that makes it worse--and newsworthy.
Exactly.
Ari, I can't tell you how secular Israelis see them, but this story won't do anything to enhance their reputation. My friend said that she heard on the radio this morning that the suspect was "high up" in this Beit Shemesh movement.
I've got the other news clip http://myrightword.blogspot.com/...ab-
blunder.html
and, of course, not reporting child abuse is bad but can not absolve any other crime perpetrator. And if religious people, especially of the level of the Burkha Babes variety, claim extra "value" becuase of their religiosity, then their fall must be harder in the eyes of us all.
Check out Rafi G's blog very soon.
You will all be in for a big surprise.
I'd like to remind everyone that while this is Israel...and although no on here really cares, these are all *allegations*.
I'm not defending her at all. But in one of the other cases Mom in Israel mentioned, I do know that not everything being reported is accurate, nor do the police even fully understand how or who abused the children.
batya, since one of the cases currently being covered is of a completely secular couple with a 6 week old baby in the hospital, I think that accusation is really far fetched.
BTW, I saw on the news that this baby has absolutely NO family with him at all. I was shocked. The doctor interviewed said it's the saddest thing that there's no one to hold him at all.
I can't believe there are no grandparents or any extended family involved. I thought it would be great to get some volunteers to be with the baby, but I wouldn't even know how to go about organizing that.
Jameel, though I agree with you to a certain extent, when you have hospitalized kids and at least one set of parents with prior child abuse investigations, it's kind of hard to sit back and say, these are just accusations.
it is confirmed.
I posted about it, and I posted the same, with a few more additional details on :a href = "dovbear.blogspot.com">Dov Bear's site
Abbi, which baby do you mean?
I wrote a new post with updates.
the family from Or Yehuda, the chiloni couple accused of child abuse, from the haaretz article.
Whats this pius woman doing with a secular attorney in the first place?
ABBI:
"BTW, I saw on the news that this baby has absolutely NO family with him at all. I was shocked. The doctor interviewed said it's the saddest thing that there's no one to hold him at all. . . ."
very sad. i've meaning to post about this. last month i was working in the peds dept. in a local hospital. i couldn't believe how many children were left alone in the hospital. kids were crying in their bed and there was no one to comfort them.
If she "doesn't speak with men", how does she consult with her male attorney?
MominIsrael-I came out of hibernation and spotted this story on another news outlet and headed over to let you know. Seems you are all over this. Now, if I could just stop being MIA. There is a lot to read and all I'm doing is cleaning and pushing papers.
Rumors are floating around that the mother named in this case is know to be a quasi cult leader. We are also looking for confirmation on the name of the alleged offender. If anyone has any direct information on this case please contact Vicki Polin at The Awareness Center. 443-857-5560 or vickipolin@aol.com
Vicki, I wrote to you privately. JF, the attorney is female. Hope you have come back to civilization. SL, miss you too.
The case of Bruria Keren will be up shortly. I'm still working on the page. You can view it at:
http://
www.theawarenesscenter.or...ren_bruria.html
There are dozens, hundreds of child abuse cases. The media only focuses on a few.
Ari, here in Israel, it's very rare for a child to be alone in a hospital. When my boys were in, I never saw an unaccompanied kid at all.
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