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Lead up to the White House report. How stupid do they think we are??

Frist.
brithumeistheantichrist | 09.03.07 - 11:40 am | #

FOX News is breathlessly reporting the news that Bush has secretly traveled to Anbar Province in Iraq
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Did he get off the plane wearing a flight suit, with a silly shit eatin' smirk on his face and a big "Mission Accomplished in ??? Years" sign in the background???

Oh, I forgot, Rove resigned. No more grandiose schmaltzy and idiotic photo-ops that make you want to stick pins in your eyes.

It would "almost" be worth it to watch the Fox Noise brainless brainwashed Bushbots go into a loud, hip-swayin' "Bush-gasim" reporting on Fearless Leader's latest attempt to sell a lost cause while simultaneously trying to make the nation forget about the latest Republican sex scandal involving a married/father US Republican "Family Values"(tm) Senator busted trying to score some man love in the stall of a public mens room in an airport.
Toyomi Karita | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 11:42 am | #

brithumeistheantichrist | 09.03.07 - 11:40 am | #
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Yes, yes... edit to add

... Fearless Leader's latest attempt to sell a lost cause while simultaneously setting the stage for the WH Iraq report, while trying to make the nation forget about the latest Republican sex scandal involving a married/father US Republican "Family Values"(tm) Senator busted trying to score some man love in the stall of a public mens room in an airport.
Toyomi Karita | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 11:44 am | #

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Threechop | 09.03.07 - 11:56 am | #

Another photo op.. I have been watching the coverage of this on several channels. He asked a soldier "How is moral?" Of course he was told it is 'High'.

Judging by how close protesters get to Bush in the States I doubt any soldier who feels the war is not going well will get very close to the Emporer.

He will of course be telling the folks at home how safe Iraq is after all he was walking around without body armour. Let's not forget the surge is working despite any negative reports 'I've been there and seen it for myself.'
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.03.07 - 12:12 pm | #

Uh-oh, libtards, AP is "breathlessly" reporting the same story:
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Bush makes war assessment in Iraq
By DEB RIECHMANN and ROBERT BURNS, Associated Press Writers
18 minutes ago

AL-ASAD AIR BASE, Iraq - President Bush and his national security team made a first-hand assessment of the war in Iraq and prospects for political reconciliation Monday before a showdown with Congress over the U.S. troop buildup.

The president secretly flew 12 hours to this dusty air base in a remote part of Anbar province, bypassing Baghdad in a symbolic expression of impatience with political paralysis in the nation's capital. The gesture underscored the U.S. belief that the spark for progress may come at the local level.

After conferring with U.S. military leaders, Bush met with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, President Jalal Talabani and other top Iraqi officials from Baghdad. Bush reached across a narrow table and shook al-Maliki's hand. When Talabani arrived, Bush greeted him, saying: "Mr. President _the president of the whole country."
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See, when you're The President, the press tends to cover your overseas trips and such.

Dumbasses.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:12 pm | #

hmmmmm......

can we trade our idiot..... for Maliki??????
gnusman53 | 09.03.07 - 12:12 pm | #

we will even throw in the libsmoochie trollette for free...
gnusman53 | 09.03.07 - 12:14 pm | #

Gotta get those poll numbers up (after them being in the toilet for the last three years) ---
Neocon21 | 09.03.07 - 12:09 pm
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ROFL!! Oh yeah, he's REAL worried about those poll numbers!

President Bush is too busy doing what's necessary to keep Americans safe to worry about poll numbers.

I know that's difficult for Democrat supporters to understand, since all they're worried about is politics.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:14 pm | #

"President Bush and his national security team made a first-hand assessment of the war in Iraq."
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:12 pm | #
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This is a joke right?
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.03.07 - 12:16 pm | #

I have to agree, shrub being out of the country does indeed help make America safer.

Now, if el shrubbo would just stay out...

Go Cubs!
bush, just go away.

Happy Labor Day all!
ufoshadow | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:16 pm | #

poll numbers in gop base.....

...why bushie masturbates in public........to make himself a "hero"...

why GOP stroked faster than Craig in a men's stall....to get rid of Craig...
gnusman53 | 09.03.07 - 12:18 pm | #

Oh, yeah, Libsucker, Bush is protecting Americans...right!
Budreaux | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:22 pm | #

time for a draft....

draft only gop to take over for the only heroes in this mess.....

and have Rove & the trollettes in the first wave...

followed by the fauxheads...
gnusman53 | 09.03.07 - 12:24 pm | #

What joy he spreads- the opportunister. Hey George remember to pick up some falafels for Billo.
X CreMent | 09.03.07 - 12:24 pm | #

At least we're getting out of Basra. No more dumb american fuckwits to shoot at the Brits.
russ mason uk | 09.03.07 - 12:20 pm
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We've lost a few good Canadians in the 'Real war on terror'.

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORL...anistan.canada/
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.03.07 - 12:26 pm | #

Add numbskulls like Newsy to the first wave of the "Shock and Awe" Bridage....once they get out of the men's room in Minneapolis...
gnusman53 | 09.03.07 - 12:26 pm | #

.....Nahh...no kill...

just trade one idiot for another....

which means you qualify
gnusman53 | 09.03.07 - 12:28 pm | #

im sure fixed news will continue to have an orgasm all day long repeating the pictures of bush "assesing the situation" on the ground..
edward696 | 09.03.07 - 12:31 pm | #

Funny how the cowardly GOP always tries to re-write history.....

The Brits were on the front lines in WWII for years before the gutless Americans decided to join.....

Newsy must be a Fauxhead or homeschool...same difference..
gnusman53 | 09.03.07 - 12:31 pm | #

Looks like Newsy cut and ran.... again....

Just like the GOP
gnusman53 | 09.03.07 - 12:32 pm | #

Breaking News: Bush Makes Surprise Visit To Iraq

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Multiple bad news stories for the GOP so.... Photo-op time!

No fake turkey this time? I suppose the upcoming Bush-influenced Iraq report will be fake enough.

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Paige PbD | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:32 pm | #

The Brits were on the front lines in WWII for years before the gutless Americans decided to join.....

Newsy must be a Fauxhead or homeschool...same difference..
gnusman53 | 09.03.07 - 12:31 pm | #
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Prescott Bush was busy making money with Hitler..
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.03.07 - 12:33 pm | #

Paige PbD | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:32 pm

The only turkey was a human one. Wonder if he had time to shop for some nice rugs.
claudo | 09.03.07 - 12:34 pm | #

Of course Shrub's in Anbar --- where everything can be made to look hunky-dory...

Re the Brits, damn right its time to get out. At least your government have some respect for the lives of your troops... not like the US govt sending people back on their 4th rotation if not more...
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Pegleg Peggy | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:34 pm | #

No fake turkey this time? *
Paige PbD | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:32 pm | #

No but we've had a fake President since the year 2000.
Free Speech | 09.03.07 - 12:35 pm | #

President Bush is too busy doing what's necessary to keep Americans safe to worry about poll numbers.

Eh?
Libsmacker

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Um... ok troll. If you say so considering your hero "president" (not my president) got 3,000 Americans killed on his watch on 9/11 and a fast approaching 4,000 MORE Americans kiled with his fucked up war based on lies.

That is quite the record troll.

Is that what you corrupt pedophile conservatives consider "protecting Americans"?

No wonder your Republican party is so corrupt to the core with *wink* "great Americans" *wink* like you watching over us!

Man these pole-smoking conservatives really make me laugh!
Neocon21 | 09.03.07 - 12:35 pm | #

Free Speech | 09.03.07 - 12:35 pm | #
Nice one ;-)
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Pegleg Peggy | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:35 pm | #

Bush didn't go "down South" to Basra or out to Diyala - wonder why! Did he have time for a jaunt to Sadr City where the US is really loved.
claudo | 09.03.07 - 12:36 pm | #

Neocon21 | 09.03.07 - 12:35 pm

Trolls don't care about the human cost of the war. They know that war is fun cuz they play with their GI Joe dolls when they're not masturbating to an Ann Coulter or Mel Gibson poster.
claudo | 09.03.07 - 12:37 pm | #

Bush is en route to Australia where I don't think he will be greeted with sweets and flowers.
claudo | 09.03.07 - 12:39 pm | #

BREAKING NEWS: Bush is doing another photo op tour with the troops in Iraq!

What's new?
Jonathan Holmes, PsD | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:39 pm | #

President Bush is too busy doing what's necessary to keep Americans safe to worry about poll numbers.

BushLipSmacker

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

If that clown was SOOO concerned, why did he continue to sit on his arse and read fiction to a vbunch of second graders when an aide whispered to him that the nation's capitol and largest city were under attack?
mj | 09.03.07 - 12:40 pm | #

Did he tell Al Maliki - "you're fired."
claudo | 09.03.07 - 12:41 pm | #

If you say so considering your hero "president" (not my president) got 3,000 Americans killed on his watch on 9/11 and a fast approaching 4,000 MORE Americans kiled with his fucked up war based on lies.

Neocon21 | 09.03.07 - 12:35 pm
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3,000 died on 9/11 and President Bush had to undertake the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq because previous administrations did nothing even after a series of Islamofascist terrorist attacks.

Hell, one former White House occupant even turned down OBL when another country offered to hand him to us. OBL was then free to commit more terrorist acts and plan and train for 9/11.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:41 pm | #

Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:41 pm

Here we go again - same old, same old!

It actually very amusing.

Eh?
claudo | 09.03.07 - 12:42 pm | #

why did he continue to sit on his arse and read fiction to a vbunch of second graders when an aide whispered to him that the nation's capitol and largest city were under attack?
mj | 09.03.07 - 12:40 pm
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So he wouldn't look to the entire world like a cowardly, head-between-the-legs Democrat.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:42 pm | #

Should be

It's actually very amusing
claudo | 09.03.07 - 12:43 pm | #

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09...-iraq-military/

Couric Admits Her Rosy Report From Iraq Is Based On ‘What The U.S. Military Wants Me To See’

And so, you do see signs of life that seem to be normal. Of course, that’s what the U.S. military wants me to see, so you have to keep that in mind as well. - Katie Couric

Rep. Ellen Tauscher (D-CA), who recently returned from Iraq and spoke with ThinkProgress, also admitted that it’s “very, very easy to be influenced, from their [the military’s] point of view, that things are better.” “I will tell you that when you get in the Green Zone, there is a physiological phenomenon I think called Green Zone fog,” said Tauscher. “It’s death by powerpoint. … It’s always that their argument is winning.

Bush and his trip to Iraq is another string of his serial lying.
Free Speech | 09.03.07 - 12:43 pm | #

Free Speech | 09.03.07 - 12:43 pm
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You probably think the moon landings were staged, don't you?

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:44 pm | #

Hell, one current White House occupant even turned down OBL when he was pinned down at Tora Bora. OBL was then free to make more videos that the WH could use to ratchet up fear.

Eh?
BushLipsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:41 pm |

FIXED
mj | 09.03.07 - 12:44 pm | #

Free Speech | 09.03.07 - 12:43 pm

More PR from an administration that created a war using PR. Tahrer Square statue toppling, anyone!
claudo | 09.03.07 - 12:44 pm | #

3,000 died on 9/11

Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:41 pm |
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How many innocent Iraqi women and children have to die to appease this? Please tell me I'm curious. What is the revenge ratio for American lives? 10:1? 100:1? 100,000:1 Million:1?
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.03.07 - 12:44 pm | #

mj | 09.03.07 - 12:44 pm |

He who invaded Iraq when they had nothing to do with 9-11. In fact, most of the hijackers were from free and democratic Saudi Arabia.
claudo | 09.03.07 - 12:45 pm | #

So he wouldn't look to the entire world like a cowardly...

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:42 pm | #

Bush is a coward. All of his speeches are speeches that I would expect a coward to make.

None of his speeches reflects the thought of there is nothing to fear. Quite the opposite.
Free Speech | 09.03.07 - 12:46 pm | #

Trolls don't care about the human cost of the war.
claudo | 09.03.07 - 12:37 pm | #

Neither do they care about the war profiteering that has taken place.

It's about blind devotion, nothing more.
Jonathan Holmes, PsD | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:46 pm | #

Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.03.07 - 12:44 pm

Young, Christian, republican, chickhawks don't care about the human costs. They don't know anyone in Iraq - maybe the cleaning lady's son or the gardner; but they're not in the same social circle. It's all rather like a Christian video game which ends with lots of death and destruction and the coming of Starship Jaysus.
claudo | 09.03.07 - 12:47 pm | #

Jonathan Holmes, PsD | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:46 pm

There was an article in yesterday's paper about the abuse that the "whistle blowers" have received over their uncovering millions of dollars worth of fraud - something the GOP chickenhawks don't care about perhaps because they're in on the deals.
claudo | 09.03.07 - 12:48 pm | #

Eh?
Libsmacker

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Oh so now the conservative pole- smoker wants to have a debate after his sarcastic bullshit remark.

Yeah... go toss off troll.

We all know what an incomptent asshole YOUR president (not mine) really is. 7,000 Americans murdered under his watchful eye and now he thinks he is going to redeem himself with yet another photo-op?

I don't think so.

Now go away pole-smoker and take your worthless president with you.
Neocon21 | 09.03.07 - 12:49 pm | #

I see MSNBC is covering Chimpy's visit to Iraq while Fox is covering Phil Spector while they wait for their talking points from the Whitehouse. Suprise suprise.
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.03.07 - 12:50 pm | #

Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.03.07 - 12:50 pm

E.D. Hill had a happy segment about Christian Home Schoolers being able to have their own recognized football teams!!!
claudo | 09.03.07 - 12:51 pm | #

So he wouldn't look to the entire world like a cowardly, head-between-the-legs Democrat.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:42 pm |

So, IOW, him sitting and doing NOTHING somehow makes him look . . . brave.

OK, I guess that makes sense - to a wingnut . . .

Allright Lipsucker, answer me this one: If Shrub is so concerned about the security of America, why was he going to allow a company headquartered in Dubai {that financed the 9/11 attacks} to take over security of US ports?

Eh?
mj | 09.03.07 - 12:52 pm | #

The only turkey was a human one.

claudo | 09.03.07 - 12:34 pm | #
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Cheers to that! ;D
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Paige PbD | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:54 pm | #

The surge is working so swimmingly that the most highly secure position in the world is not safe, and has to sneak into the country, like an illegal Mexican looking for a job. How frackin' fitting.
NChomsky | 09.03.07 - 12:55 pm | #

NChomsky | 09.03.07 - 12:53 pm | #

Don't forget his sack of shit grandfather.

"George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/ st...1312540,00.html
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.03.07 - 12:56 pm | #

"A large area of Sydney's CBD will be enclosed by a wire fence to stop protesters getting anywhere near the leaders, and there will be road closures and other security precautions operating throughout the next week and a half...

"If I inconvenience people that's not my intent. My intent is to represent my country in an important meeting in a country that I admire a lot.

"(It's) a country with whom we've got great relations and it's important that we continue to have great relations.

"I hope people understand why it's done and I just hope that it doesn't disrupt their lives too much."

However, the disruption in Sydney is likely to increase Australian antipathy to the president, a leader with whom many people are already unimpressed.

A survey of foreign policy attitudes on Thursday found that while many Australians are fond of American people, they have a less favourable impression of their leader"

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=ca...clnk&cd=5& gl=us

As opposed to when Bill Clinton travelled.
claudo | 09.03.07 - 1:00 pm | #

Wonder if they set up special cruisy mens rooms in the Baghdad airport for male, republican politicians.
claudo | 09.03.07 - 1:03 pm | #

This is a joke right?
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.03.07 - 12:16 pm | #
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Everything he says is a joke.....and childish to boot. Ignore him as mcuh as possible
hoode | 09.03.07 - 1:03 pm | #

Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.03.07 - 12:56 pm

OOPS, forgot. Thanks for reminding me. The entire family is a pile of corporate welfare sucking piles of crapola. Right on down to his "party hearty" girls, and his pathetic nose picking wife. Sure hope there are no more of these pathetic losers running for anything.
NChomsky | 09.03.07 - 1:04 pm | #

hoode | 09.03.07 - 1:03 pm

Nice to have you back :)
claudo | 09.03.07 - 1:04 pm | #

Oh by the way I'm glad to see the shit bags who run this blog take issue with people who disagree with their inarticulate diatribes that masquerade as blog posts but proudly let stand comments that advocate the assassination of our president.

newsy | 09.03.07 - 12:27 pm
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First, where does a NH reader threaten to assassinate a United States President ?

Second, provide proof that the owners of this blog would be "proud" of such a threat.

While you do that, I'll provide actual evidence that a BillOReilly.com reader said that he would have his "guns loaded" if Hillary Clinton becomes President.

(Bill O'Reilly has claimed that his website isn't an Open Forum)

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2007...reillycom- .html

Principally, I'm sure you have a problem with that, too, or not so much?

Bill O'Reilly HIMSELF gleefully invited al Qaeda terrorists to come and bomb a major American city. Do you condone that?

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Paige PbD | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 1:06 pm | #

BTW, the resident troll has been very active today as he's off his ritalin. Best to put on Ignore.
claudo | 09.03.07 - 1:08 pm | #

Paige PbD | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 1:06 pm |

Coulter is into assassination of SCOTUS Judges and democratic presidents. She also likes the idea of "carpet bombing" Middle Eastern countries. Gotta love those "family values."
claudo | 09.03.07 - 1:09 pm | #

hoode | 09.03.07 - 1:03 pm

Nice to have you back :)
claudo | 09.03.07 - 1:04 pm | #
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smiles and salutes. and hugs to Paige
hoode | 09.03.07 - 1:09 pm | #

Coulter is into assassination of SCOTUS Judges and democratic presidents. She also likes the idea of "carpet bombing" Middle Eastern countries. Gotta love those "family values."
claudo | 09.03.07 - 1:09 pm | #
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Ah, yes. She also said that she regrets that Timothy McVeigh didn't target the NY Times building (even though the NY Times has been one of the biggest cheerleaders for Bush's mess in Iraq).

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Paige PbD | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 1:12 pm | #

and hugs to Paige
hoode | 09.03.07 - 1:09 pm | #
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Hugs back. :) Great to 'see' you, hoode.
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Paige PbD | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 1:13 pm | #

He's on his way to the Sydney summit and is therefore going against the clock. Think "red-eye flight" from DC all the way to Australia. He'll be a wreck at the summit and not only because of the fatigue.
David E. Toronto | 09.03.07 - 1:15 pm | #

So he wouldn't look to the entire world like a cowardly, head-between-the-legs Democrat.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:42 pm | #

More like a cowardly head up the butt Gopper????? In an airoirt mensroom?????

Interesting...coming from a troll that has a name promoting oral sex with liberals..... (grin)
gnusman53 | 09.03.07 - 1:20 pm | #

In an airoirt mensroom?????

SORRY

make that...
In an airport mensroom?????
gnusman53 | 09.03.07 - 1:21 pm | #

David E. Toronto | 09.03.07 - 1:15 pm | #
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Maybe someone can rock lil' Bush in their arms, give him a warm glass of milk and read him a bedtime story on the plane so he gets his sleepy time. I picture him wearing flannel pajamas with images from Toy Story all over them.
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Paige PbD | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 1:25 pm | #

We have a cut-and-run president.....(so afraid of a flight surgeon physical that he ran like coward to the bars until Big Daddy congressman and his pals could clean him up and get him out of TANG).....

We have a "Party of Life" intent on killing off as many of the US Military as possible.... if not in trumped up wars...then by gutting veterans health care....

Let those arse-holes serve there.... for the rest of their lives...

And bring the real soldiers back.
gnusman53 | 09.03.07 - 1:25 pm | #

Let those arse-holes serve there.... for the rest of their lives...

And bring the real soldiers back.
gnusman53 | 09.03.07 - 1:25 pm |

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In addition, can we send along

- the college republics
- the rightwingnut hate media
- the trolls who regularly pollute this site?

I figure between the those three groups, that oughta form about a DIVISION . . .
mj | 09.03.07 - 1:30 pm | #

You forgot his killing her boyfriend intentionally wife,Laura.
BRIAN | 09.03.07 - 1:30 pm | #

Sounds great,mj!
BRIAN | 09.03.07 - 1:31 pm | #

between-the-legs
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:42 pm | #
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In lieu of recent 'naughty', 'nasty' Republican ("family values") behavior, you might want to be careful about opening such doors (so to speak).

http://www.haloscan.com/comments...s/12751/ #426567

http://www.haloscan.com/comments...s/12751/ #426573
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Paige PbD | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 1:32 pm | #

South of Baghdad, U.S. troops find fatigue, frustration
By Chris Collins | McClatchy Newspapers

Although the soldiers who since spring have walked and ridden through this volatile area mixed with Sunni and Shiite Muslims have seen some signs of progress, they still face the daily threat of roadside bombs, an unreliable Iraqi police force, the limitations of depending on Iraqis for tips and the ever-elusive enemy.

"Even though we've out-stayed our welcome, in the big picture of whether we've helped or not, I know we have," said Sgt. Christofer Kitto, a 23-year-old sniper from Altamont, N.Y. "But now it's just in a state of quagmire. The U.S. time here has come and gone."

"Us and the insurgents have grown together," Sowers said. "It's a deadly little dance we're doing, and they're improving."

It's not just the roadside bombs that kill.

Standing in FOB Hammer's conference room, Sowers pointed to a wall with framed photos of 19 soldiers from the 3rd Brigade who've been killed in action. He ticked off the way they died: "I was on this patrol. It was an EFP," Sowers said, pointing to one of the photos. "This one was small-arms fire. This one was a crush-wire IED (improvised explosive device). This one was a rocket. This one was a sniper."

A blog on the 3rd Infantry Division's 3rd Brigade Combat Team is at http:\footprintsinthesandsofiraq.blogspot.com

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homep...tory/ 19377.html
woke | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 1:34 pm | #

His third visit, I think. I bet he thinks of this as his third tour of duty in a war zone.
Abby | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 1:35 pm | #

the trolls who regularly pollute this site?

mj | 09.03.07 - 1:30 pm

I don't think they'd want the trolls in Iraq. The military has enough problems without having to babysit some whiny whimpering ass troll.

That curled up into a fetal position and screamed for his mommy everytime trouble even got near.
john t | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 1:37 pm | #

Iraq Pilot To Bush: Troops Not Getting Enough Training Or Time At Home
AP | DEB RIECHMANN and ROBERT BURNS | September 3, 2007 11:29 AM

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President Bush and his national security team made a first-hand assessment of the war in Iraq and prospects for political reconciliation Monday before a showdown with Congress over the U.S. troop buildup.

The temperature topped 110 degrees as Bush stepped off Air Force One. The president stopped at a small building where a Marine Cobra pilot briefed him about the positives and negatives of current troop rotations. He told the president that troops were not getting enough time at home and did not have enough time for training.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ 20...op_n_62904.html
woke | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 1:37 pm | #

FOX News will surely keep us all informed

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...while their hosts try their best to ignore the results of Fox news' own recent poll:

MOST AMERICANS WANT U.S. OUT OF IRAQ

..By almost 2-to-1, Americans support withdrawing troops by April 2008.

..Americans have had enough: 61 percent support withdrawing U.S. troops by April 2008 — nearly twice the number that oppose withdrawal on that timeline.

..."It appears the various administration rationales for keeping troops in Iraq are no longer enough to stave off the growing consensus in favor of a phased withdrawal"

..Bush receives the bulk of the blame for how things are going in Iraq.

(More Americans blame Bush for how things are going in Iraq

- More than the insurgents

- More than Al Qaeda

- More than the Iraqi people

Americans blame the Democratically-controlled Congress the least, 7%)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/ 0,2...,289976,00.html

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Paige PbD | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 1:45 pm | #

You forgot his killing her boyfriend intentionally wife,Laura.
BRIAN | 09.03.07 - 1:30 pm | #

Laura is the worst first Lady in United States history. She's as stupid as Junior.

Some say that Laura came up with the idea of doing a minstrel show complete with charcoal face for the Katrina victims because she thought it would put her in the same league as Elanor Roosevelt.
Free Speech | 09.03.07 - 2:02 pm | #

Wonder if Air Farce one had to do the death spiral into this out of the way airbase miles from anything where the chimperor can assess the situation via the hand-picked reports of hand-picked ass-kissers.Lots of "progress". And they feel the need to shut down a good portion of Sydney for the bush baby's visit there.I can understand the twerp sneaking into and out of Iraq, but it's really saying something when you have to turn the downtown portion of the largest city of one of your putative allies into a virtual desert. Yes sir the boy is just popular all over.
donquixotesrocket | 09.03.07 - 2:09 pm | #

Methinks el shrubbo's peeps wanted him to get a positive photo op before he got to Australia, where among other things, shrub has to convince most of the people there that he is concerned about global warming and other things. Shrub will probably get a new one torn for him during the conference and he needs a little boost to cover it.
ufoshadow | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 2:11 pm | #

donquixotesrocket | 09.03.07 - 2:09 pm | #

Bush is the least popular President in U.S and World history.

The only way they can make Bush look popular is to cut and paste film footage of people waving the American Flag from World War II along with a film footage of Bush waving.
Free Speech | 09.03.07 - 2:17 pm | #

lip sucker forgot the fact that Cheney went on the news and bragged that he was running the country while Junior was hiding.

About a week later Bush showed up to sell pictures of himelf looking out the window of an airplane.
Free Speech | 09.03.07 - 2:22 pm | #

they call it "surprise" even when you have to have exhaustive security planning
jr | 09.03.07 - 2:24 pm | #

they call it "surprise" even when you have to have exhaustive security planning
jr | 09.03.07 - 2:24 pm | #
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The "suprise" part is people are "suprised" the prick had the guts to go there.
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.03.07 - 2:28 pm | #

Used BOR Trailer, I bet

Too bad he had no books to hand out....
fsharp | 09.03.07 - 2:45 pm | #

President Bush is too busy doing what's necessary to keep Americans safe to worry about poll numbers.

Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:14 pm |

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO LOL, etc...
dan | 09.03.07 - 2:49 pm | #

fsharp | 09.03.07 - 2:45 pm

Well in lieu of body armor, Culture Warrior could serve a purpose and if the troops run out of toilet paper...
claudo | 09.03.07 - 2:51 pm | #

Culture Warrior could serve a purpose and if the troops run out of toilet paper...
claudo | 09.03.07 - 2:51 pm |

I don't know, think about it, would you wipe your ass with a pile of shit?
dan | 09.03.07 - 2:55 pm | #

The Oval Office orangutan is on parade. Play "Hail to the Chimp" so he can jump up and down and yeep.
ProfessorDuh | 09.03.07 - 2:59 pm | #

"George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany."
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.03.07 - 12:56 pm

Oklad B.C., and others,
Read the whole sordid story here. A whole effen book about this scourge of the earth.

http://www.tarpley.net/
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

Chapter Two-The Hitler Project sample:
"These and other actions taken by the U.S. government in wartime were, tragically, too little and too late. President Bush's family had already played a central role in financing and arming Adolf Hitler for his takeover of Germany; in financing and managing the buildup of Nazi war industries for the conquest of Europe and war against the U.S.A.; and in the development of Nazi genocide theories and racial propaganda, with their well-known results. "

J
Whiskey | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 3:07 pm | #

The "suprise" part is people are "suprised" the prick had the guts to go there.
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.03.07 - 2:28 pm | #

The "suprise" part is Bush thought he was on a military base somewhere in South Carolina.
Free Speech | 09.03.07 - 3:08 pm | #

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/ 20070...CGUXWxz1XF34T0D

LONDON (Reuters) - U.S. plans for handling Iraq after the 2003 invasion were "fatally flawed," a retired British general said, adding that the U.S. administration had refused to listen to British concerns about postwar planning.

Major General Tim Cross said he had talked to former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld before the invasion about the need to have international support and enough troops on the ground to reconstruct Iraq.

"He didn't want to hear that message. The U.S. had already convinced themselves that Iraq would emerge reasonably quickly as a stable democracy," Cross told the Sunday Mirror.

"Anybody who tried to tell them anything that challenged that idea -- they simply shut it out," Cross, the most senior British officer involved in planning post-war Iraq, added.

His comments echoed those of General Mike Jackson, head of the British army during the invasion, who was quoted by The Daily Telegraph on Saturday as describing Rumsfeld's approach as "intellectually bankrupt."

Well the British news isn't Bush friendly.
Free Speech | 09.03.07 - 3:15 pm | #

President Bush is too busy doing what's necessary to keep Americans safe to worry about poll numbers.

Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:14 pm |
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I presume that was an attempt at ironic humour...
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Pegleg Peggy | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 3:16 pm | #

Morning Edition, September 3, 2007 · President Bush makes a surprise stop in Iraq, visiting Anbar province, site of some of the worst violence of the war. It's also an area where U.S. commanders have described progress in recent months. The president is using the trip to make the case that his troop buildout is working.

http://www.npr.org/templates/ sto...toryId=14137578

A suicide car bomb attacked an Iraqi security checkpoint on highway near the city of Ramadi in the western province of Anbar on Monday, killing two security members and wounding three others, a provincial police source said.

"A suicide bomber drove his explosive-laden car into a checkpoint in the al-Jazira area near the city of Ramadi, and blew it up before midday," the source told Xinhua on condition of anonymity

http://english.people.com.cn/900...77/ 6253911.html

Ramadi is in Anbar province.
claudo | 09.03.07 - 3:21 pm | #

Bush should show some real guts. Do a ticker-tape parade down the main road in Baghdad. If everything over there is as rosey as he wants us to believe, why doesn't he do that?
jl19621 | 09.03.07 - 3:22 pm | #

He'll be a wreck at the summit and not only because of the fatigue.
David E. Toronto | 09.03.07 - 1:15 pm

Not at all, well, due to fatigue anyway.

He'll sleep like a baby on our big comfy AF1.
Ponder that a little.

him having seen (and done) nothing personally in the EyeRaq bushmire.

J

PS, is it me, or is Libsmacker one (of many) absolutely the most deluded sucker around? He actually unquestioningly BELIEVES ALL OF the busie maladministration PR BUllSHit. Swallows it whole, in big gulps, num, num.
Whiskey | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 3:23 pm | #

Elitism Fighter | 09.03.07 - 4:01 pm | #

Elitism Fighter | 09.03.07 - 4:01 pm | #

And we have a winner for THE most irrelevent post this week!!!

How do you like being a terrorist creator/Appeaser?
abie_normal | 09.03.07 - 4:05 pm | #

Oh yes--how big was your celebration on Sept. 11?
Elitism Fighter | 09.03.07 - 4:01 pm |

Why in god's name would anyone celebrate 9/11? I could see mourning the day, paying tribute to all those who lost their lives as well as to all the first responders who poured blood, sweat and tears into trying to save the victims. I could see honoring the moment with prayer but celebrate is definitely the wrong word.

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Flipo T Clown | 09.03.07 - 4:12 pm | #

I see president photo op is up to his old tricks. How was the cod piece on this go round?

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Flipo T Clown | 09.03.07 - 4:15 pm | #

BTW, the resident troll has been very active today as he's off his ritalin. Best to put on Ignore.
claudo | 09.03.07 - 1:08 pm | #

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A great idea claudo.

It wouldn't matter what facts you offer the lying troll Libsmoocher anyway. He just puts his fingers in his ears and chants "It's Clinton's fault! It's Clinton's fault! It's Clinton's fault!"

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YLA | 09.03.07 - 4:25 pm | #

Hey russ mason;

As your country falls further and tighter in to grips of "sharia law" and radical Islam, I hope you enjoy the ride.
And yes the U.S. will save your country again despite useless, ignorant dolts like yourself.
newsy | 09.03.07 - 12:24 pm | #
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hey newsy i guess you havent been to britain recently - seeing as they are richer, and more comfortable than americans - and seeing as the world bank said the american dream is dead in america - but alive in britian - i wondor how you make that claim

...ana
ana_coachella | 09.03.07 - 4:37 pm | #

as for sharia law - umm no - in britain, which is a christian constitution - thats highly unlikely -

there is no sharia law in britian - having lived in britian for 75% of my life - i actually know what im talking about

but please - do provide proof of sharia law in britian - it is highly important you back up the things you say
...ana
ana_coachella | 09.03.07 - 4:42 pm | #

Yes sir lip sucker sitting on his ass surrounded by school children was sure brave just before rabbiting off to hide out in the skies over Louisiana and Nebraska.I'd think a truly brave commander in chief would have ordered his escort of fighters to take him straight back to his duty station at the white house.I'm pretty sure the grunts patrolling in Iraq don't get to run and hide when the situation looks dodgy.
donquixotesrocket | 09.03.07 - 2:18 pm | #

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in all fairness i dont think either side has a leader who wouldnt follow the secret service advice on being taken to a secret safe place

out of most american presidents only a very small few would have that kind of courage and determination to go right to "ground zero" at the time of attacks -

here are the ones i think would - Washington, teddy Roosevelt, Jackson,
maybe Kennedy, and Eisenhower,

while this kind of bravery can make a man great - it doesnt mean that without it you cant have a great president like lincoln, jefferson, or adams

this president isnt great but it doesnt mean any of the other would be presidents would have done differently

...ana
ana_coachella | 09.03.07 - 4:56 pm | #

Um... ok troll. If you say so considering your hero "president" (not my president) got 3,000 Americans killed on his watch on 9/11 and a fast approaching 4,000 MORE Americans kiled with his fucked up war based on lies.

No wonder your Republican party is so corrupt to the core with *wink* "great Americans" *wink* like you watching over us!
Neocon21 | 09.03.07 - 12:35 pm | #

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well bush didnt get them killed - we all have a part in that - there is so much that happened in the lead up to 911 - so many dynamics had any changed maybe it could have been averted - but you can never say -

we shouldnt have supported the shah, the corrupt genocidal leader of iran we created, which jump started the fundamentalist islamic revolution.

we could have cleaned up and supported the mujahadin after the afghani/russo war , we could have focused on bin laden earler - even depsite being on the front page of news week and time prior to 2001 as americas most dangerous enemy - the AMERICAN people didnt think it in their interest to pay attention

its not enough to say clinton is the fault of 911 - nor is it the fault of bush -the american people for the most part ignored the threat of al queada - and therefore we all shar some blame

as for not your president - yes he is your president - he is my president - and no matter how much it hurts to say that (you think as a liberal it hurts to say that - imagine how muchmore it makes me cringe knowing im a conservative)

in all truth - we all own this war too - we live in a democracy and the single most defining thing about democracy is that we all own the actions of our country - if we had no blame - then we would be living in a dictatorship -

true opposition to the war requires not paying the taxes that make the war possible - if you refuse to pay taxes you are exercising your opposition - but if you pay t hem - then your opposition to the war is only trivial - and here's why - yes you could go to jail for not paying taxes - but you would have made the decision to pay that sacrifice for your belief - only beliefs willing to sacrifice for are true positions of opposition and courage.

....ana
ana_coachella | 09.03.07 - 5:14 pm | #

Let me add to the chorus laughing at Libsmacker's "Bush is too busy keeping us safe" BS.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL.

Obviously very busy. How much vacation time has he had since 9/11?

LOLOLOLOLOL.

Libsmacker couldn't smack a lib if Noam Chomsky was super-glued to the ground before him.
Marco | 09.03.07 - 5:15 pm | #

I love the irony here.

We're told that Iraq is getting better, that we're getting things in hand...

...and Bush has to sneak into Iraq. Yeah. Real safe.

As to him talking to the soldiers, they may be sincere. I know some believe in the cause. But I also know enough about politics and the military to know that severe pressure is exerted on personnel to NEVER criticize the CiC or the Pentagon. I also know that Bush screen whomever he talks to so that they're on his side. Thus, I take it with a grain of salt.

I'd be more impressed if he went someplace less safe and showed confidence in the strategy he loves so much. But then, no politician will do that.
Kell Hound | 09.03.07 - 5:17 pm | #

3,000 died on 9/11 and President Bush had to undertake the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq because previous administrations did nothing even after a series of Islamofascist terrorist attacks.

Hell, one former White House occupant even turned down OBL when another country offered to hand him to us. OBL was then free to commit more terrorist acts and plan and train for 9/11.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:41 pm | #

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first of all iraq never attacked america - or had anything to do with islamo - fascism as you call it ( a bad name what we are fighting is al queada - stop trying to confuse yourself)

as for clinton turning down osama - he had no right under us law to take him in - us law forbade it - sad but true - if you want to blame someone blame the freedoms you love to espouse blood spilling for

...ana
ana_coachella | 09.03.07 - 5:18 pm | #

I don't think they'd want the trolls in Iraq. The military has enough problems without having to babysit some whiny whimpering ass troll.

That curled up into a fetal position and screamed for his mommy everytime trouble even got near.
john t | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 1:37 pm | #
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I dunno about that, john . . . after all, to hear them tell it, all these trolls have or had extensive military service, and it's always SpecOps/Delta Force/SEAL/Intel . . .
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Remember how Dan Bartlett looked on the helicopter headed for the Green Zone in Baghdad:

http://home.earthlink.net/~platt...latt...q_wx112- 300.jpg
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Paige PbD | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 1:51 pm

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LOL!! Tony & Dan looked like they were going to crap on themselves!

That's also the closest either of them ever got to being in uniform.
mj | 09.03.07 - 5:19 pm | #

I'd be more impressed if he went someplace less safe and showed confidence in the strategy he loves so much. But then, no politician will do that.
Kell Hound | 09.03.07 - 5:17 pm | #
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bush's insistance to be surrounded by people who agree with his policies doesnt speak of good leadership and is something that has always really concerned me about bush - with good cause

good leaders are no more afraid to be surrounded by their critics and those who disagree than those who agree - if not preferring to be surrounded by those that disagree - and there is a very simple reason for this - perspective -- any man or woman of true strength and leadership realises they brinig only one perspective to the table and even tho they may believe in their perspective acknowledgment of this bias is the first step to well rounded policy - something we have not seen from bush except for his immigration plan

...ana
ana_coachella | 09.03.07 - 5:22 pm | #

ana_coachella | 09.03.07 - 4:56 pm | #

This president isn't great. Well, there's the understatement of the century. As to your argument about bravery, it shouldn't take an act of bravery for Bush to put his money where his mouth is. I'm not asking him to go a sweep, I'm asking him to go to someplace that isn't like the Green Zone. He has been cheerleading the B.S. war from the start and keeps saying how things are getting better, we need more time, etc. And yet he has to go in under the dark of night.

He is doing as he always done. Interacting with the people under controlled circumstances. Look at how he handled his presence during the aftermath of Katrina. He didn't get there for DAYS, and when he did, it was all carefully staged. Remember the speech he gave with the lights all burning bright, showing how N'awlins was coming back?

The lights were off the next day. Photo op done, screw the people. There is not one damn thing he or his people do that is out of any sense of rightness. It is all staged to make them look like they care.

To give you an example of how it should be done, President Johnson, when the 9th Ward in N.O. was flooded by a hurricane, went down THERE. He let people know he was there. Symbolic? Sure. But he didn't wait a week.

This is all pure PR.
Kell Hound | 09.03.07 - 5:24 pm | #

This president isn't great. Well, there's the understatement of the century. As to your argument about bravery, it shouldn't take an act of bravery for Bush to put his money where his mouth is. I'm not asking him to go a sweep, I'm asking him to go to someplace that isn't like the Green Zone. He has been cheerleading the B.S. war from the start and keeps saying how things are getting better, we need more time, etc. And yet he has to go in under the dark of night.
Kell Hound | 09.03.07 - 5:24 pm | #
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oh i agree with you - 100% - honesty on issues of life and death is a great sign of leadership - one lacking here -

and i will quite honestly say with you i believe he is the worst president in history - so dont get me wrong

im just saying - i dont think hillary or obama, or edwards are the type to teddy roosevelt-jack an airplane and say "take me in boys - im facing these ones face to face"

if you get my drift

..ana
ana_coachella | 09.03.07 - 5:28 pm | #

Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 12:41 pm | #

~sigh~

Please go watch Clinton's interview with Chris Wallace and drop the OBL meme. It makes you look like an idiot.

Oh, BTW, Clinton's DoJ caught and convicted the guys who bombed the WTC in 1993. They also caught Tim McVeigh. Yet Bush has said that he cares not about Bin Laden, your boogeyman of choice who staged 9/11. Neither has he laid down the law to the nation who funds these terrorists. And who would that be?

No, not Iran, you simpleton. Not Syria either. Saudi Arabia. You know, the ones Bush holds hands with when they visit, the ones who skated out of here right after 9/11.

But Hannity, Rush et al never say that. Because that would require them to admit that the guys they've been stroking off for years actually make mistakes.

Please do some fact checking before running your mouth. I know you're a troll, but jeez. You're an amateur who relies on the same ad-hominem bullshit that your all of Reich Wing idols do.
Kell Hound | 09.03.07 - 5:31 pm | #

Whole lotta good Clinton's convictions did considering they just camne back and finished the job 10 years later.
Martin Six | 09.03.07 - 5:39 pm | #

Oh, BTW, Clinton's DoJ caught and convicted the guys who bombed the WTC in 1993. They also caught Tim McVeigh. Yet Bush has said that he cares not about Bin Laden, your boogeyman of choice who staged 9/11. Neither has he laid down the law to the nation who funds these terrorists. And who would that be?

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why yes he did - but he also suffered from the complacency of the late 90's about our safety that we all did

its not his fault per se - it was the mood of the country at the time

ill put it in perspective for you -

when 911 happened i was 19 years old - i had moved back to america (where i was born) to go to college from ireland and britian - and had seen the effects of long drawn out terror war and what it causes a nation to go through - and saw the precautions that were taken in britian due to ethno nationalist terrorism in northern ireland - and when i came here i was shocked at the level of complacency and how open america was - now in america's credit - i thought it was sorta brave to be so blase` about its safety - but at the same time - i was sure something was going to happen - i thought it would be a race between al qaeda and the christiano-fascists in the like of rudolph and nichols and mcveigh - we are less complacent today of al qeada - for obvious reasons - but more complacent of the christian fundemental threat coming from people like fred phelps, and ann coulter

this disturbs me

..ana
ana_coachella | 09.03.07 - 5:41 pm | #

Whole lotta good Clinton's convictions did considering they just camne back and finished the job 10 years later.
Martin Six | 09.03.07 - 5:39 pm | #
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what kind of statement is that - are you saying he shouldnt have gone after the first world trade center bombers?

or your faulting him cuz he didnt get al qeada?

either way - exactly what do you mean by that statement?

..ana
ana_coachella | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 5:43 pm | #

And yes the U.S. will save your country again despite useless, ignorant dolts like yourself.

newsy | 09.03.07 - 12:24 pm | #

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Get a grip on the arrogance pal. Those who make ignorant statements look rather silly when branding others ignorant. Most people in the UK actually see Mr Bush as a bigger danger to global security than N Korea and Iran
rj | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 5:47 pm | #

Get a grip on the arrogance pal. Those who make ignorant statements look rather silly when branding others ignorant. Most people in the UK actually see Mr Bush as a bigger danger to global security than N Korea and Iran
rj | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 5:47 pm

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Thank you for proving my point!
newsy | 09.03.07 - 5:51 pm | #

Martin care to explain how those guys hijacked airplanes from super max prisons where each was sentenced to maximums of 240 years?Actually that crime was a new crop that merkan policies in the region had fetched up out of the homeland of the busheviks business partners the Saudis.I swear sometime some wingnut is going to get their facts straight and it might engender shock in the society at large.But don't let anything stop you from continuing to bellow out the wingnut blathering points.
donquixotesrocket | 09.03.07 - 5:56 pm | #

and kill their families. It's the only thing they understand.
Martin Six | 09.03.07 - 5:49 pm | #
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are you advocating killing innocent people for someone else's crimes?

because that would be - well - sorta evil dont ya think?

..ana
ana_coachella | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 5:58 pm | #

bush's insistance to be surrounded by people who agree with his policies doesnt speak of good leadership

good leaders are no more afraid to be surrounded by their critics and those who disagree than those who agree - if not preferring to be surrounded by those that disagree - and there is a very simple reason for this - perspective --

...ana
ana_coachella | 09.03.07 - 5:22 pm | #
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I couldn't agree more, ana.Even when it comes to a nation's enemies overseas, the supposed respected hero of the republican party didn't shun negotiations and diplomacy
rj | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 6:06 pm | #

Thank you for proving my point
newsy | 09.03.07 - 5:51 pm | #
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George Bush being considered a bigger threat to world peace than those he has personally designated as 2 members of the axis of evil is your point, newsy?If so, you're more than welcome for the assistance
rj | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 6:11 pm | #

rj | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 6:11 pm | #
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Actually, I believe his point was that he's the ignorant dolt.

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YLA | 09.03.07 - 6:13 pm | #

Whole lotta good Clinton's convictions did considering they just camne back and finished the job 10 years later.
Martin Six | 09.03.07 - 5:39 pm | #
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LOL...

As stated earlier, they did a heckovajob from their max security prisons! Under Clinton, terrorists were captured and will never see the outside of a prison cell for the rest of their days.

Under President Chimpy McFlightsuit?

"Frankly, I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism," Richard Clarke told CBS' "60 Minutes" in an interview Sunday night. "He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know."

Clarke said he asked for a Cabinet-level meeting in January 2001, shortly after the president took office, to discuss the threat al Qaeda posed to the United States. "That urgent memo wasn't acted on," Clarke told CBS. Instead, he said, administration officials were focused on issues such as missile defense and Iraq.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...bush/ index.html

As for Bin Laden after 911 President Idiot STILL wasn't concerned about him!

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

LOL... you delusional conservative morons enjoy that bizarro-world idiotic alternate reality you live in were everything is "Clinton's fault" or "the liberal mainstream media's"(tm) fault.

No wonder Sun Myung Moon started a conservative newspaper, he saw you cult-like morons - reality deniers, from a million miles away.

How's the weather in conservative idiot bizarro-world?
Toyomi Karita | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 6:14 pm | #

Lipsucker if he were addressing the president of the whole country how come he had to sneak into some remote fortified military base to do it? Why couldn't they meet say in the Green Zone and then do a walking tour of Sadr City?
donquixotesrocket | 09.03.07 - 5:59 pm | #
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i signed up for the army about 3 months agp when they started their fast deployment - after i read the oxfam report about 8 million starving iraqi's -

being a buddhist it is against my religion to shoot a weapon - but they offered me to be a chaplains aid and said i wouldnt have to shoot

so i thought - wow - im really scared - but good on me for signing up for the right reasons -

instead from all my friends and family i got anger - i couldnt believe the fury people had that i would sign up - and so i hadda listen to stories of how my legs would be blown off, how i would have to shoot people, how i wouldnt come home alive etc -

people saying how i could do more from home - through my career (im a professional musician)

but i swore to stick with it -

i also got the people who said - jeez ana - your tiny (5 feet nothing) and there is no way you'll pass the physical -

in the end - i didnt pass the physical - but i have to say - i wasnt cut out to be a hero in a war - or a soldier - and even if i had passed it - ther eis no way i coulda been out in the shooting fray - and more than just my religion - i cant shoot people - and even tho i wanted to go to help - not everyone is cut out to be in the middle of the war zone

while personally i think of days when kings rode out to war at the head of the army - (im sure as many of those were just legends and the kings were just as scared and weak as i am) i dont find much fault for a country trying to protect its leader - especially in such a complicated time

i think we should be careful of taking issue of a mans courage beyond what we can actually knoww about it - i do wish we had a brave leader in front - but im not so sure most of us would go to the greenzone at this moment -

personally i think bush has been very brave - and while i dont think his braveness has been the smartest of things to let lead him - for instance - it took a very brave man to nominate the kind of cabinet bush has, i think he has stood by his convictions for the most part (ideologically unrealistic granted)

so im not so sure i would call him a coward just yet - without knowing if extra precautions are taken just because he is the president or if any of us if were president, we would do the same .

....ana
ana_coachella | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 6:14 pm | #

Of course, the important point is that Iraq is still such a mess, 4 years later, that he has no choice but to sneak in and then spend his time in the protective custody of the United States military. If there is a perfect symbol for our failure in Iraq (and the pie-in-the-sky things we were told by our leaders in the run-up to the war), it is that. The man whose Administration told us about being greeted as liberators would be dead if he walked onto a normal Iraqi street.
Craig | 09.03.07 - 6:28 pm | #

"They have to know that if they mess with the USA we're going to blow up their goddamned countries and kill their families. It's the only thing they understand.
Martin Six | 09.03.07 - 5:49 pm"

Yeah, right, Martin Seis,

Mind explaining just how much and how, Iraq and Iraqi's specifically, were 'messing with the USA'?
Before we had turned that particular part of the ME snakepit into a shining example of peace and democracy, oh....wait....
Relatively speaking of course, since other countries and people around that FU'ed up neighborhood have been screwing us over much worse, including that Zionist oasis, Israel and the bushie pals in Saudi.

J
Whiskey | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 6:29 pm | #

Bush is a Pussy. Always has been a Pussy. Always will be a Pussy.
Escape Goat | 09.03.07 - 6:30 pm | #

The only Man Bush appointed was Colin Powell, and they abused and bullied him until he left
Escape Goat | 09.03.07 - 6:38 pm | #

"so im not so sure i would call him a coward just yet...."
ana_coachella | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 6:14 pm

Go ahead ana, call him one, it's OK (some say even his daddy chickened out in WWII):

THE AWOL PROJECT INTRODUCTION:
http://www.glcq.com/

The Bush Files:
http://www.bushfiles.com/bush_toc.html

J
Whiskey | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 6:46 pm | #

How's the weather in conservative idiot bizarro-world?
Toyomi Karita | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 6:14 pm

Toyomi,
Slightly less than 100.73 degrees*, and seriously humid, IFR visiblity, windy as hell.

*Bovine body temperature, and that of BUllSHit, cowpatties.

J
Whiskey | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 6:53 pm | #

These people need to be handled militarily like the present administration has been doing.

Martin Six | 09.03.07 - 5:49 pm | #
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When it comes to the issue of terrorism, which is a tactic Martin, the Bush Admin's military policy has resulted in a significant increase in global terrorism, not a decrease. When George Bush was asked if the the war on terror can be won, do you recall his answer? It was as follows: 'I don't think you can win it.' Even with the situation in Iraq, General Petraeus acknowledged that there is no military solution.

Senior U.S. Military Officials have told Mr. Bush that as a direct result of the U.S. forces being overstretched, the U.S. Military is ill-prepared for another conflict. They say that it will take years for the Army and Marine Corps to recover from what they have called: 'a death spiral.' Not only is there a shortage of military personnel and training but critical Army overseas equipment stocks have been depleted.

There has also been the highest number of suicides in the Army in 26 years. A significant link has been made between suicide attempts and the number of days U.S. Soldiers are deployed.
rj | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 7:00 pm | #

There has also been the highest number of suicides in the Army in 26 years. A significant link has been made between suicide attempts and the number of days U.S. Soldiers are deployed.
rj | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 7:00 pm

Rush Limbaugh, in attempting to spin this, said that this is routine and the war is not for sissies - guess he knows about that.
claudo | 09.03.07 - 7:03 pm | #

Rush Limbaugh, in attempting to spin this, said that this is routine and the war is not for sissies - guess he knows about that.
claudo | 09.03.07 - 7:03 pm | #
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LOL... Nah, the fat pill-poppin' limp-dicked asshole didn't say that, did he? Some poor bastard takes himself off the board because his life is a cluster fuck after his fourth tour in Iraqnam, and according to this conservative chicken hawk idiot AM hate-jock "troop supportin'" asshole who dodged 'nam due to an anal cyst (...by the way, that was no anal cyst, that was this jackass's oversized pumpkin head, doc)...

... they're "sissies".

The degree of asshole-dom of these conservative idiot AM radio hate-jock never ceases to amaze.
Toyomi Karita | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 7:15 pm | #

Glad to see the hounds out in Force today....except for one of the more moronic ones, trolls are keeping their heads down
fsharp | 09.03.07 - 7:49 pm | #

I'm saying that when you all tout Clinton's "success" in convicting the '93 bombers that you're all just blowing smoke up your asses.It didn't make any difference. They still came back and finished what they started 10 years before. Clinton's "successes" were anything but. The only thing they did was make the case that terrorism is not a law enforcement issue. These people need to be handled militarily like the present administration has been doing. They have to know that if they mess with the USA we're going to blow up their goddamned countries and kill their families. It's the only thing they understand.
Martin Six | 09.03.07 - 5:49 pm | #
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AHHHhh IC so it is ok if WE fuck with THEM since 1920 or so.......but its not ok for them to finally fight back and say get the hell out of our lands with your military???

We have a bigger army so WE can fuck with whoever we wish. I am beginning to understand you all too well.
hoode | 09.03.07 - 8:01 pm | #

They have to know that if they mess with the USA we're going to blow up their goddamned countries and kill their families. It's the only thing they understand.
Martin Six |

Ahh....I see .....it's the old might makes right political theory. Kill any body that disagrees with you even if not connected with "messing with you ". What's the difference between you and that little funny guy named Hiter in the 30's and 40's ? I'm sure there must be some but from here you look a lot alike....
fsharp | 09.03.07 - 8:26 pm | #

They have to know that if they mess with the USA we're going to blow up their goddamned countries and kill their families. It's the only thing they understand.
Martin Six | 09.03.07 - 5:49 pm | #

I'd say that's the ONLY thing YOU understand sonny?

How many families have you kia in your life?
woke | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 8:27 pm | #

"one of the more moronic ones"
fsharp

Indeed. And it's the one that spends half his free time here. What's up with that?
Satan | 09.03.07 - 8:28 pm | #

For never does hatred cease by hatred in this world. Hatred ceases only by non-hatred. This is an eternal law. Verse No.5

the most holy passage Dhamma-padda
ana_coachella | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 8:34 pm | #

All people tremble at the prospect of punishment. All people fear death.Behave others as if you are behaving yourself, don`t kill and don`t cause others to kill. Verse No.129

Victory breeds hatred, for the conquered are unhappy. Those who have given up both victory and defeat are content and happy. Verse No.201

the most holy passage Dhamma-padda
ana_coachella | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 8:36 pm | #

It was George Bush's rationalization that the surge would result in political reconciliation in Iraq. He used that as his justification for sending even more U.S. troops to Iraq. Yet since this surge of his, the political situation in Iraq has dramatically worsened. The full Sunni bloc of the Iraq Government quit entirely. Despite the rosy claims and his photo opp surprise today, the death toll among Iraqi civilians has been on the increase and several months of his surge has been the deadliest for U.S. troops since the war in Iraq started.

I am astonished by those who continue to trust George Bush's absolutely deplorable judgment and his Administration's remarkably low level of competence. Bush and his Administration also have an established record of using bogus data, including statistics pertaining to deaths and violence in Iraq. Last August, they underestimated the death toll in Baghdad by 300 PERCENT

One has to be quite naive to believe that they are not using another round of bogus statistics right now, ahead of this upcoming report next week. I see that a majority of Americans don't trust this anticipated report and that most suspect the assessment will make it sound better than it actually is. Most also say the surge has been a failure and still want a timetable for withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, as do most Iraqis--including most members of the Iraqi Parliament
rj | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 8:39 pm | #

Summer Time and the KILLen's EASY,,,THANKYOU bushcrimefamily........
DavidRWoods | 09.03.07 - 8:44 pm | #

ana,take this in the best possible light.I think you are very interesting.
notveryhow | 09.03.07 - 8:58 pm | #

Yall are fuckin looney. It took nerves of steel to make that trip into bagdad. Nerves of steel! Yall think any democrat party president would have the sack to go over there? Shit no! God bless Bush and everything he's done to make us safer in the homeland. Its our only hope here in the reddest of red state virginny that somehow pray tell this decent, honorable God-fearin' man gets a THIRD term. God bless 'im.
West Virginia Bob | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 8:58 pm | #

Psssst....Hey west virginia....you got a wide stance, by any chance?
closeted republican | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 9:00 pm | #

notveryhow | 09.03.07 - 8:58 pm | #

lol ty
ana_coachella | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 9:16 pm | #

What a man, what a man, what a man, what a mighty good man...............
DirtyEffingHippie | 09.03.07 - 9:16 pm | #

Yall are fuckin looney. It took nerves of steel to make that trip into bagdad. Nerves of steel! Yall think any democrat party president would have the sack to go over there? Shit no!
West Virginia Bob | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 8:58 pm | #

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see there we go again speaking in absolutes - you don't know that - you just have no way of knowing that - and shouldn't be speaking in such absolutes it betrays your idea of intelligence
ana_coachella | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 9:17 pm | #

WV Bob,don't look down,the ground ain't near as red as you think it is.
notveryhow | 09.03.07 - 9:22 pm | #

Yall are fuckin looney. It took nerves of steel to make that trip into bagdad. Nerves of steel! Yall think any democrat party president would have the sack to go over there? Shit no!
West Virginia Bob | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 8:58 pm | #
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I seem to rememebr a few Democrats going there
hoode | 09.03.07 - 9:23 pm | #

West Virginia Bob | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 8:58 pm | #

Either dumbest post of the day, or brilliant satire
Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 9:23 pm | #

West Virginia Bob is just trolling. It reeks of childish sarcasm. Nobody is that fucking stupid, not even the 25% dead enders still supporting the chimp.

Or are they?
Satan | 09.03.07 - 9:24 pm | #

Satan | 09.03.07 - 9:24 pm

Yeah, if it's such a red state how come Sen. Byrd keeps getting re-elected time and time again?
john t | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 9:37 pm | #

i seem to remember that kennedy one his presidency in west virginia
:)

im certainly no fan of sen. byrd or kennedy really - but west virginia is quite honestly purplish
ana_coachella | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 9:39 pm | #

I'm saying that when you all tout Clinton's "success" in convicting the '93 bombers that you're all just blowing smoke up your asses.It didn't make any difference. They still came back and finished what they started 10 years before. Clinton's "successes" were anything but. The only thing they did was make the case that terrorism is not a law enforcement issue. These people need to be handled militarily like the present administration has been doing. They have to know that if they mess with the USA we're going to blow up their goddamned countries and kill their families. It's the only thing they understand.
Martin Six | 09.03.07 - 5:49 pm |

IOW, Clinton shouldn't have done a damned thing . . .

That's so friggin braindead retarded, that it deserves no response . . .

And please explain, you Bushlicking moron, how the fuck bombing women and children in a country THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11 is stopping terrorism???

If you pulled your head out of your ass for more than one second, you'd realize that YOU CAN'T FIGHT A WAR AGAINST A TACTIC. TERRORISM IS A TACTIC.

And the one OBVIOUS question is, why aren't YOU and the rest of the Bush asskissing, Faux sNooze gulping trolls over IN Iraq killing innocent families instead of spewing out RW bullshit on this blog??!!
mj | 09.03.07 - 9:49 pm | #

The only thing they did was make the case that terrorism is not a law enforcement issue.

Martin Six | 09.03.07 - 5:49 pm
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Seems Britain has done quite well with law enforcement handling terrorism.

Or maybe Martin doesn't keep up with current affairs.
john t | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 9:55 pm | #

as for clinton turning down osama - he had no right under us law to take him in - us law forbade it - sad but true - if you want to blame someone blame the freedoms you love to espouse blood spilling for

...ana
ana_coachella | 09.03.07 - 5:18 pm
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If Clinton had been doing his job, his Justice Department, FBI, etc. would all have been working to gather the evidence against al Qaeda and bin Laden from the many attacks they gleefully carried out on Clinton's watch. Then they could have done all the nice little things the Clinton claims needed to be done, treating terrorism as a criminal matter, gotten the indictments, etc.

Too bad Clinton didn't do his job. 3,000 Americans died due to his eight years of malfeasance.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 9:58 pm | #

Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 9:58 pm

Don't even bring up the USS Cole attack. It was a US Naval Ship sitting in a Muslim country.

If you want to bring it up then every IEDs that kills a US GI in Iraq is a terrorist attack. Therefore Bush has 1000's against him.
john t | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:04 pm | #

Seems Britain has done quite well with law enforcement handling terrorism.

Or maybe Martin doesn't keep up with current affairs.
john t | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 9:55 pm | #
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ive been very pleased to see Britain learn many lessons from Northern Ireland,

i grew up a huge critic of Britain's handling of their Belfast and Derry campaigns - but they have adapted - despite a few wobbles.

there are some problems in Britain tho - by leaving the Muslim communities alone - they allowed an undercurrent to develop - i think there is much to be learned on how to approach emigrant populations in a humane and non-intrusive manner.
its all about balance and common sense with a desire to approach it with the best possible motives.
ana_coachella | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:04 pm | #

Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 9:58 pm | #

You're still all replying to this mental midget? I'm sure you could be doing something more constructive, like maybe the Times crossword puzzle? But not to worry, by 11:00 P.M. his mommy will make him go to bed.
FrankC | 09.03.07 - 10:07 pm | #

If you want to bring it up then every IEDs that kills a US GI in Iraq is a terrorist attack. Therefore Bush has 1000's against him.
john t | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:04 pm
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Back in the 90's we didn't do anything about it. Clinton's weakness caused 9/11 and killed 3000 innocent Americans.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:10 pm | #

THAT is the dumbest post of the day.
Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:10 pm | #

wait five minutes, he'll top it.
FrankC | 09.03.07 - 10:15 pm | #

Back in the 90's we didn't do anything about it. Clinton's weakness caused 9/11 and killed 3000 innocent Americans.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:10 pm

The first WTC bombing happened 30 days after Clinton was in office. He caught the people responsible.

The 2nd WTC attack was 8months after Bush took office.

Where's BinLaden?
john t | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:22 pm | #

The first WTC bombing happened 30 days after Clinton was in office. He caught the people responsible.

john t | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:22 pm
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That must have really impressed the Islamofascists.

Khobar Towers
USS Cole
Tanzanian Embassy
Kenyan Embassy

All after Clinton's brave indictment and conviction of a few guys from Jersey.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:26 pm | #

Don't even bring up the USS Cole attack. It was a US Naval Ship sitting in a Muslim country.

If you want to bring it up then every IEDs that kills a US GI in Iraq is a terrorist attack. Therefore Bush has 1000's against him.
john t | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:27 pm | #

BTW lipsmacker,

I guess you didn't read it the first time.
john t | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:28 pm | #

john t | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:28 pm | #

Do you really think you're going to get through to this mental midget? Then why bother?
FrankC | 09.03.07 - 10:30 pm | #

Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:26 pm | #

And if Bus had been president he would have invaded a random country in retaliation
Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:33 pm | #

*Bush
Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:34 pm | #

Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 9:58 pm | #

"3,000 Americans died due to his eight years of malfeasance."

Sorry to WVB, but THAT is the dumbest post of the day.
Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:10 pm |

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Dumbest of all time. I can see - see but not understand - how somebody can be such a Bushlicking asskissing apologist . . . but is Lipsmacker THAT friggin deluded that he thinks CLINTON is responsible for 9/11?? Has this nutjob forgotten who was in the oval office that day??

What am saying, he IS that friggin deluded . . .
mj | 09.03.07 - 10:36 pm | #

mj | 09.03.07 - 10:36 pm | #

I was watching a show on NGC about North Korea. One of the hallmarks of the citizens there is that they're so indoctrinated that they believe the "Dear Leader" can do no wrong. In short, they've been brainwashed. Sounds an awful lot like the 25%ers...
Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:43 pm | #

Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:43 pm | #

That's what the Japanese use to think of Hiroito, and look what happened to them.
FrankC | 09.03.07 - 10:46 pm | #

Just out of curiosity Libsmaker.....Have you ever served a day in the military?
VanC | 09.03.07 - 11:00 pm | #

That must have really impressed the Islamofascists.

Khobar Towers
USS Cole
Tanzanian Embassy
Kenyan Embassy

All after Clinton's brave indictment and conviction of a few guys from Jersey.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:26 pm |

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If you're gonna spew out BS, Lipsucker, at least try to be SOMEWHAT accurate . . .

Ramzi Yousef was Kuwaiti
Shiekh Omar Abdel-Rahman and El-Sayyid Nosair were Egyptian
Ahmad Ajaj was from the West Bank
Khalid Sheik Mohammed {who financed the attack} was Kuwaiti

None were from that terrorist breeding ground known as Jersey. Lipsmacker, you should just take a rest; you're making youself look dumber with each post . . .
mj | 09.03.07 - 11:03 pm | #

If any American citizen that has the right to vote believes for one second anything that comes out of Bush's mouth then the rest of the world is doomed because you have nuclear weapon superiority.. You know WMDs..
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.03.07 - 11:04 pm | #

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/ 2...in3228795.shtml

this stuff gives us a bad name
ana_coachella | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 11:08 pm | #

some truth about whats happening in Baghdad

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/2054.../site/newsweek/
ana_coachella | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 11:09 pm | #

I was watching a show on NGC about North Korea. One of the hallmarks of the citizens there is that they're so indoctrinated that they believe the "Dear Leader" can do no wrong. In short, they've been brainwashed. Sounds an awful lot like the 25%ers...

Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 10:43 pm |

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I've been thinking about that. I've been trying to figure out just WHAT is it about Bush that inspires such blind and unrequited love from these 25 percenters.

I mean, forget about the fuckups he's committed since he was selected president {9/11 inaction, Iraq, Katrina, debt} . . . what is it about HIM?

Some presidents inspired confidence due to their facility with the English language {Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelt} . . . this clown mangles it nearly every time he opens his mouth.

Some were "created" by their times; they may have been ordinary men, but extraordinary circumstances forced them to do great acts {Lincoln, Roosevelt, Truman, Johnson} . . . so far, everything Bush touched has turned to LEAD.

And some just had something unidentifyable - that "charisma" - that drew others to them {Kennedy, Clinton} . . . what does Bush do in public? Says something stupid and smirks.

I just do not understand how the Bush Cult of Personality sprang up.
mj | 09.03.07 - 11:35 pm | #

I just do not understand how the Bush Cult of Personality sprang up.
mj | 09.03.07 - 11:35 pm | #
..............

Good questions mate.. WTF?
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.04.07 - 12:25 am | #

all are fuckin looney. It took nerves of steel to make that trip into bagdad. Nerves of steel! Yall think any democrat party president would have the sack to go over there? Shit no!
West Virginia Bob | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 8:58 pm | #
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I seem to rememebr a few Democrats going there
hoode | 09.03.07 - 9:23 pm | #

I seem to remember a few Democrats fighting there. Paul Hackett, Tammy Duckworth, Jon Stolz...
Marco | 09.04.07 - 2:44 am | #

LOL. Look at Libsmacker's wide stance in this thread. BS through and through. How many times does one have to be corrected regarding Clinton's big Bin Laden "deal." Was his head offered on a silver platter, Sean Hannity?

Jesus, you Fox viewers are just fucking incredibly stupid.
Marco | 09.04.07 - 2:46 am | #

Never said Clinton shouldn't have done anything ana. You're puytting words in my mnouth., What I did say (and I was very clear about it too) is that you're all blowing smoke up your asses when you tout Clinton's 93 convictions as a "success." Becausae if it had been a success they wouldn't have come back 9 years later and finished the job. They would have left us alone. But they didn't. And the reason they didn't is prison sentences mean nothing to these people. The only thing they do understand is cruise missiles killing their families and destroying their countries.
Martin Six | 09.04.07 - 6:18 am | #

Martin Six | 09.04.07 - 6:18 am | #

STFU you terrroist appeaser/creator, you and your ilk of knuckle-dragging neanderthal neo-convicts are creating more terrorists by supporting chimpy and his crusade.
abie_normal | 09.04.07 - 6:36 am | #

Martin,seriously,if someone killed your family and destroyed your country,would you then leave them alone,or would you swear undying vengance.

Either you are a utter coward or a very poor judge of human nature.
notveryhow | 09.04.07 - 6:57 am | #

a"l are fuckin looney. It took nerves of steel to make that trip into bagdad. Nerves of steel! Yall think any democrat party president would have the sack to go over there? Shit no!"
West Virginia Bob | Homepage | 09.03.07 - 8:58 pm
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That is funny on so many different levels that it will take many generations more of inbreeding for you to understand it...Thanks for the laugh though mate.

P.S. Tune all your banjos to the key of 'G'.
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.04.07 - 7:31 am | #

notveryhow | 09.04.07 - 6:57 am | #

Logic is not a neo-convicts strong suit, makes them sweat too much...
abie_normal | 09.04.07 - 7:39 am | #

Comader in Chief my arse..

How about 'Fuckin Wanker' for a title?

Give him his flight jacket and cod piece and stick him into combat the cowardly deserting prick. Then talk to me about the brave men and women serving in his trumped up piece of shit war that is funneling taxpayer's money in to this cesspool.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/ ...ings072205.html

Get a grip folks... Do something about it...

The rest of the world is counting on you..
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.04.07 - 7:50 am | #

Oh joy! Chimpy McFlightsuit --- our fuck-up president has decided to grace those ungrateful EYE-RAQI's with his precense eh? Gotta get those poll numbers up (after them being in the toilet for the last three years) ---
Neocon21 | 09.03.07 - 12:09 pm | #

Comader in Chief my arse..

How about 'Fuckin Wanker' for a title?

Give him his flight jacket and cod piece and stick him into combat the cowardly deserting prick. Then talk to me about the brave men and women serving in his trumped up piece of shit war that is funneling taxpayer's money in to this cesspool.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/ ...ings072205.html

Get a grip folks... Do something about it...

The rest of the world is counting on you..
Oklad B.C. ( I abhor trolls) | 09.04.07 - 7:50 am | #

LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER

Yes life was so much better when we had a president who was / is a sexual predator whipping out his willey for the ladies and using a young interns vaginal as a humidor for his skanky cigars.

A man who would never take bin Laden even though he was offered and a man who would occasionally order missiles to be dropped on Iraq from time to time to show his voters that he had the power.

Yes, those were the days my friend.
Mounted Trooper | 09.04.07 - 10:08 am | #

Mounted Trooper | 09.04.07 - 10:08 am

It's always the sex with you right wing types (and your moniker certainly does suggest some - ah - machismo fantasies)

Semen stains vs. over 3700 dead Americans and over 20,000 Americans whose lives will never be the same. Which is worse and why?

And BTW - Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.
claudo | 09.04.07 - 10:29 am | #

Yes, those were the days my friend.
Mounted Trooper | 09.04.07 - 10:08 am | #

Hey stupid, this is 2007, come on into the present.

Clinton's fault, how pathetic!!
abie_normal | 09.04.07 - 11:31 am | #

1SGZ | 09.04.07 - 11:31 am | #

Where the fuck do you see anyone here saying they hate the troops for bringing back 'good info'?

Show one example or just STFU.
abie_normal | 09.04.07 - 11:39 am | #

I've read it here where soldiers have said some positive things and the reply is always going back to the bad news.
1SGZ | 09.04.07 - 11:51 am | #

I love sharing some of the comments made here in reference to the war in Iraq with my friends, mostly the ones who just came back. I must admit they do get a good laugh at times. Depending in what area of Iraq an individual is posted is the views he or she will bring back.

The facility I work at is staffed by 95% veterans, as most civil service law enforcement/Corrections organizations have their ranks filled with them. And there does not seem to be all this whinning and crying about how Bush screwed them in the war, yes several have said some other remarks about it though, but the consenses is not all doom and gloom. These recent guys were with the 28th ID of the PA Guard.

As a matter of fact the opinion is that the war should be waged more agressive.
1SGZ | 09.04.07 - 11:58 am | #

Where the fuck do you see anyone here saying they hate the troops for bringing back 'good info'?

Show one example or just STFU.
abie_normal | 09.04.07 - 11:39 am | #

Actually, young man, if this is an "imperialistic" war of "colonial occupation," then what does that make the soldiers of our volunteer military force? Are they evil, or just pawns? Take your pick, simpleton.
Independent Thought | 09.04.07 - 12:02 pm | #

abie_normal

Why don't you go see for yourself what Iraq is like?

I did.
1SGZ | 09.04.07 - 12:07 pm | #

Why don't you go see for yourself what Iraq is like?

I did.
1SGZ | 09.04.07 - 12:07 pm | #

That will never happen! All they have are their pathetic talking points about body armor and roadside bombs.
Independent Thought | 09.04.07 - 12:12 pm | #

I did.
1SGZ | 09.04.07 - 12:07 pm

What year were you there?
john t | Homepage | 09.04.07 - 12:31 pm | #

Independent Thought | 09.04.07 - 12:02 pm

Pawns - chess is all about strategy on the battle field.
claudo | 09.04.07 - 1:09 pm | #

That will never happen! All they have are their pathetic talking points about body armor and roadside bombs.
Independent Thought | 09.04.07 - 12:12 pm

Why don't you say that to those whose loved ones are either dead (roadside bomb or suicide), missing limbs or who have PTSD which is not being adequately addressed by the overstrained VA system. Try reading Dana Priest's excellent series on returning wounded vets in the Washington Post. Yeah, roadside bombs - so silly and so pathetic - yeah!
claudo | 09.04.07 - 1:12 pm | #

Independent Thought

You should really change your name to NeoCon Thought.

You're not fooling anyone.
john t | Homepage | 09.04.07 - 1:15 pm | #

john t | Homepage | 09.04.07 - 1:15 pm

He's no "independent!!!"
claudo | 09.04.07 - 1:17 pm | #

That will never happen! All they have are their pathetic talking points about body armor and roadside bombs.
Independent Thought | 09.04.07 - 12:12 pm | #

so, to the deluded neocon supporters, having adequate armor BEFORE being sent to war zones is nothing but a talking point

it's easy to see how these folks think.....

and then ascribe it to others

eh?

ol first sarge got out just in the nick of time before he actually saw some action

yet he thinks it's all good in iraqnam....

by his own pathetic ridiculous "logic" he and his pro WAR ilk HATE our troops

especially those who return to speak truth to power

as opposed to continuing the indoctrination that replaced their ability to think for themselves

from the military to lock up 8-10 hours per day

how does that prepare one to think for themselves??

eh?
woke | Homepage | 09.04.07 - 2:45 pm | #

South of Baghdad, U.S. troops find fatigue, frustration
By Chris Collins | McClatchy Newspapers

Although the soldiers who since spring have walked and ridden through this volatile area mixed with Sunni and Shiite Muslims have seen some signs of progress, they still face the daily threat of roadside bombs, an unreliable Iraqi police force, the limitations of depending on Iraqis for tips and the ever-elusive enemy.

"Even though we've out-stayed our welcome, in the big picture of whether we've helped or not, I know we have," said Sgt. Christofer Kitto, a 23-year-old sniper from Altamont, N.Y. "But now it's just in a state of quagmire. The U.S. time here has come and gone."

"Us and the insurgents have grown together," Sowers said. "It's a deadly little dance we're doing, and they're improving."

It's not just the roadside bombs that kill.

Standing in FOB Hammer's conference room, Sowers pointed to a wall with framed photos of 19 soldiers from the 3rd Brigade who've been killed in action. He ticked off the way they died: "I was on this patrol. It was an EFP," Sowers said, pointing to one of the photos. "This one was small-arms fire. This one was a crush-wire IED (improvised explosive device). This one was a rocket. This one was a sniper."

A blog on the 3rd Infantry Division's 3rd Brigade Combat Team is at http:footprintsinthesandsofiraq.blogspot.com

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homep...tory/ 19377.html

interesting that the rwrs like 1stsarge ascribe their penchant to judge others by their politics to the left

when in fact it has been the rwrs who SMEAR war vets who don't share their fascist views

mccain, cleland, kerry....and any other vets not subscribing to neoconsim

eh?
woke | Homepage | 09.04.07 - 2:48 pm | #

apparently 1sgz and his ilk still believe democracy can be installed at the barrel of gun

but haven't ever seen that happen

in fact

NO foreign conventional occupier has EVER defeated a homegrown guerilla insurgency

and their can be NO MILITARY SOLUTION to a political problem

yet, 1sgz wants to keep our troops in harm's way as TARGETS for sunnis, shias, kurds, and the 7% foreign insurgents INDEFINITELY

that's how the neocons support our troops

put them in a no win senario indefinitely

and say anyone who disagrees HATES those troops

think on it
woke | Homepage | 09.04.07 - 2:53 pm | #

their other ridiculous and false assumption is that anyone who does not support a FAILED FOREIGN POLICY and FAILED LEADERSHIP (powell, rummy, ag, lil aWol, hallichainy, rice, wolfowitz, et all)

doesn't support the troops

they love to equate support of the troops

for support of the potus

eh?

nothing could be further from the truth

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."__-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

"You can support the troops but not the president"__-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"My job as majority leader is be supportive of our troops, try to have input as decisions are made and to look at those decisions after they're made ... not to march in lock step with everything the president decides to do."__-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

see how the neocons REVERSE their bs dependant upon POLITICS?????

"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity."_Dwight D. Eisenhower

Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. _Dwight D. Eisenhower
woke | Homepage | 09.04.07 - 2:58 pm | #

see? some republicans used to be for the US constitution and Americans

rather than merely shills, owned and operated by oil and war profiteering corporations

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.

Theodore Roosevelt (1858 - 1919)

The death-knell of the republic had rung as soon as the active power became lodged in the hands of those who sought, not to do justice to all citizens, rich and poor alike, but to stand for one special class and for its interests as opposed to the interests of others.

Theodore Roosevelt, Labor Day speech at Syracuse, NY, Sept 7, 1903 ("Theodore Rex" - Edmund Morris)
woke | Homepage | 09.04.07 - 3:00 pm | #

Woke, sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner. I had to work.

I'm sorry that I have to keep reminding you that I had more time standing in chow lines than you had in uniform, but then again that is another page.

I guess I'll keep the opinions that I have concerning the soldiers that returned from the Vietnam war and started groups such as VVAW to myself and just rely on those opinions of soldiers who served there and have nothing good at all to say about those groups. I always wondered why individuals such as yourselves never showed up at military bases to talk to soldiers about joining groups such as yours. I never saw your group of people at the CRC at Ft. Benning prior to going to the Balkans, or then again I never saw your people at Ft. Bragg prior movement to Pope to fly to Haiti, Kuwait, and Iraq.

I did see men from the American Legion and the VFW though.

Why is that Woke?

Why is their opinion so low of your group Woke?

I was just wondering!!!!
1SGZ | 09.04.07 - 11:46 pm | #

Bush's suprise visit has drawn a lot of controversy I see and especailly from the moonbat comments it worked. The real controversy is Brian De Palma's latest 'film' which is even worse than Murtha's slander of marine in Haditha (I hope they sue him for every last red cent he has). The film is so shocking than even those at Venice were shocked. Hollywood leftists are now unleashed-8 Iraq war films are due out in next few months-all with liberal slants to them. Tim Robbins showed his brilliance on Bill Maher's show a few weeks ago. I say let these leftists be whom they really are.
Kevin | 09.05.07 - 12:30 am | #

Actually, young man, if this is an "imperialistic" war of "colonial occupation," then what does that make the soldiers of our volunteer military force? Are they evil, or just pawns? Take your pick, simpleton.
Independent Thought | 09.04.07 - 12:02 pm | #
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Yes soldiers are ALWAYS pawns in the game. hey can and do things spontaneously. But the Game is assigned TO them and they play their role.

They do what they are assigned to do. Many times they dont know are are convinced by others that what they are doing is not evil. When, in fact, some do see it as evil.

War is not black and white. Solidiers dont know any more facts than the leaders want them to have. it is a very controlled environment. I am sure it is harder to conrtrol ideas now. But all in all it is a VERY controlled group and gameplan.

I was a soldier. I did some very nice things for people. and I brutally killed others. Some may or may not have deserved to die. Some I cried with as they showed me pictures as they were dying.

War is truly ugly. And most times it IS fought for ugly and less than good motives.

Profit is no reason for killing people.
hoode | 09.05.07 - 12:35 am | #

I did see men from the American Legion and the VFW though.

Why is that Woke?

Why is their opinion so low of your group Woke?

I was just wondering!!!!
1SGZ | 09.04.07 - 11:46 pm | #

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1St of tinking the Viet Nam war was a ridiculous travesty doens tmean he has a low opinion of his group. I was there two years myself. I realized withing 3 or 4 moths that it was total busshit and our leaders had no fucking clue who they were dealign with, They understood nothing of the culture. Nothing of the History.

We Americans are arrogant that way. We like to say it doenst matter what any of that points to Just shoot the fuckers.

Our leaders and our government lied to us about Nam just like they are lying to us about Iraq.

This war is about PNAC. Nothing more
Nothing less.

I dodnt belong to groups. Not Wokes. Not the VFW none of them
he war happened in another lifetime for me and I dont care to discuss it or glorify it. I am not ashamed of it. I did my job. But My Country's leaders were idiots and liars. Some dont wish to see that. Tahst fine. They can stick their head in the sand all they like. I t doesnt change the reality.

We are enacting PNAC. The domination of the ME. Of course they dont WANT to be dominated.

maybe you should have spent less time inthe chow line and more time reading and understanding cultures and movements.
hoode | 09.05.07 - 12:46 am | #

hoode
Most of movies coming out of hollywood are liberal by nature.
Kevin | 09.05.07 - 12:46 am | #

Why is their opinion so low of your group Woke?

I was just wondering!!!!
1SGZ | 09.04.07 - 11:46 pm | #
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because they dont want to beleive that the war they fought was based on lies. Few people want to think that.
I dont either. But the facts are the facts.
hoode | 09.05.07 - 12:47 am | #

Hollywood leftists unleashed is good. Hell their tv ratings are down and money made from movies is down. Why do you think they want to go after 13-yr old kids file swapping on the internet. They are liberal-with other people's money and not their own.
Kevin | 09.05.07 - 12:50 am | #

I always wondered way there is such hatred against some of the soldiers returning from Iraq when they have anything good to say. I've stated here before that there are some disagrements in how the war is being waged.
1SGZ | 09.04.07 - 11:31 am | #
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Well, hatred of the troops is silly. SOME eople hated the the returning VietNam Vets too. Thats ridiculous. Soldiers do their job and trust that thier leaders are telling them the truth. it isnt their fault when the leaders dont.
hoode | 09.05.07 - 12:52 am | #

hoode
Most of movies coming out of hollywood are liberal by nature.
Kevin | 09.05.07 - 12:46 am | #
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Maybe you should stop seeing politics in every single aspect of your life eh??

I dont see movies or ignore others because I THINK they are liberal or conservative.
I go to movies to be entertained. I dont give a FUCK what any of them think in their private lives. I care if they entertain me.

Grow up and stop playing melodrama games.
hoode | 09.05.07 - 12:56 am | #

Remember, it's wrong to measure progress in Iraq by measuring progress. Only when you measure progress by something other than progress can you see the real progress that's been made there
ProfessorDuh | 09.05.07 - 8:23 am | #

Most of movies coming out of hollywood are liberal by nature.
Kevin | 09.05.07 - 12:46 am
••••
And most conservatives are stupid, greedy and selfish by nature. So?
ProfessorDuh | 09.05.07 - 8:24 am | #

1SGZ

why don't you ask them

Originally, the vfw would not even recognize vietnam vets because it wasn't a declared war, but considered a police action son

did the vfw stand up for vietnam vets? NO

did they harrass and lobby the va and legislators until Agent Orange and PTSD were recognized as problems for returning vietvets? NO, the vvaw did.....as they NOW have to be the vets standing up for those who have DEPLETED URANIUM POISONING.....

what exactly do the vfw do for war vets sonnyboy?

vvaw has done nothing but stand up to the govt for war vets....as opposed to rubberstamping everything neocons and chickenhawks have done to war vets, including shortchanging them during reagan with the Montgomery GI Bill, which LOWERED benefits for vets, because according to reagan, they are now volunteers and don't deserve college tuition totally paid for...eh?

sound familiar? the rwrs now love to spew that when confronted with nearly 4000 unnecessary vet deaths.....

"they volunteered" eh? that how you feel son?

as for the American Legion, why don't you try studying the history of them? They were created by the US GOVT.....not vets....

get a clue sonnyboy

YOU and your bs orgs don't have a lock on war vets any more than you have a lock on the flag and patriotism

YOU don't stand up for war vets. If you did, you'd be trying to get their asses home, not shilling for a FAILED foreign policy that seeks more of them to die

as if, some way, that justifies those who have already died

for lies and war profits

btw

if you are gonna tell me how much CHARITY these groups drum up

first tell me WHY you think our war vets should have to rely on CHARITY, instead of our govt providing the assistance, medical care and education they need.....

did you note that many of the national guardsmen sent to iraqnam for 3-4 tours are LOSING THEIR JOBS as they return??

wtf are vfw and AL doing about that sonny?

GOP-only honors vets based on politics

eh?
woke | Homepage | 09.05.07 - 9:20 am | #

I'm sorry that I have to keep reminding you that I had more time standing in chow lines than you had in uniform, but then again that is another page.

no problem

i served for only 3 years 9 months and 11 days son

but 1 of those entire years was in an actual war zone

not grenada, haiti, panama or a 9 day gulf war with few casualties

the vietnam war produced 58,700 us troops kia and most (51k) died during the SURGE...from 1966-1971

but you can have your chow line award, yep, you ate more military food than i did

no problem for me

Honor the warriors, not the war

vvaw.org
ivaw.org
iava.org
mfso.org
gsfp.org

think on this buddy

these are all war vet groups and their families

denigrate us as you see fit

YOU WONDER WHY THESE OTHER, GOVT SANCTIONED GROUPS DON'T LIKE US??

it's fairly obvious SMEAR BOY

GOP=POLITICS OVER HONOR
woke | Homepage | 09.05.07 - 9:27 am | #

on topic

war presnit photo op is getting his money's worth on this visit

no plastic turkeys this time

the "liberal" msm is lapping it up like good lil lapdogs

eh?
woke | Homepage | 09.05.07 - 9:32 am | #

How many times does one have to be corrected regarding Clinton's big Bin Laden "deal."

Jesus, you Fox viewers are just fucking incredibly stupid.
Marco | 09.04.07 - 2:46 am
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Did you listen to the tape?

Didn't think so. Coward.

There are none so stupid as those who refuse to learn.

Marco: Libsmacked.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.05.07 - 5:28 pm | #

Thanks for the thoughts Woke.
1SGZ | 09.05.07 - 5:50 pm | #

I did some thinking about what you said in several previous postings.

You are doing the same thing to some veterans when you belittle the amount of time spent in a combat/ hostile fire zone. I will not go into my service as I have done that several times already, I guess that you have some memory issues as that is why you ask all the time.

When a country prepares to go to and wage war (with which I disagree in how this one is being waged) that is the time to discuss and debate on the principle of it. When the first round is shot then the debate is over because any thing you say or do that can be used in any way by the enemy to demoralize your forces is not helpful to the forces you claim to support. In the old days that was called treason, pure and simple. That is why people were hung or shot for doing that. If what you say causes any enemy to fight harder and an American soldier dies as a result, then you are as guilty as the bad guy holding the gun, and you hate and despise the fact that there are soldiers that don't and never will agree with what you think they should beleive.

Vietnam was unique in that for the first time we had US soldiers come home from a war and call their fellow soldiers war criminals and things such as that. The blame America first crowd was born around that time also. The soldiers that manned the military when I joined, the E-5/E-6 type, all had patches on the right sleeve, and there was little regard for soldiers such as the ones that made up the VVAW. I've have heard from veterans who are current state employees what they think about individuals like Mr. Kerry and the speach he gave in front of Congress.

I've seen first hand, because of my job, the break down of what America was built and founded upon. It is no secret or mystery that all the problems we now face, abortion, crime, out of wed lock births, break down of the inner city happened after the teaching of morals and religion was removed from school. The inner city and major urban areas of this country are broken, by the way they are run by democrats. I happen to be a democrat and a strict conservitive one at that, in the mold and belief of Ronald Reagan, they left me I didn't leave them kind of party.

The beliefs and ideals I hold have led me to rise to the rank of First Sergeant and Captain with a state agency. It is my belief that we are responsible for all of our actions and if something bad happens don't find someone else to blame, as most on the left do. The country you and me believe in Woke are two different ones, and maybe that in itself is a blessing. Maybe I do wish at times we were back in the 40's, America had better people then.
1SGZ | 09.05.07 - 9:18 pm | #

When the first round is shot then the debate is over because any thing you say or do that can be used in any way by the enemy to demoralize your forces is not helpful to the forces you claim to support. In the old days that was called treason, pure and simple. That is why people were hung or shot for doing that. If what you say causes any enemy to fight harder and an American soldier dies as a result, then you are as guilty as the bad guy holding the gun, and you hate and despise the fact that there are soldiers that don't and never will agree with what you think they should beleive.

1SGZ | 09.05.07 - 9:18 pm
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Absolutely perfect. Thanks for stating so clearly what many of us have been trying in our own less eloquent way.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.05.07 - 10:10 pm | #

why don't you ask them

Originally, the vfw would not even recognize vietnam vets because it wasn't a declared war, but considered a police action son

did the vfw stand up for vietnam vets? NO

did they harrass and lobby the va and legislators until Agent Orange and PTSD were recognized as problems for returning vietvets? NO, the vvaw did.....as they NOW have to be the vets standing up for those who have DEPLETED URANIUM POISONING.....

what exactly do the vfw do for war vets sonnyboy?
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Yes I remember the same thing happening to me. Went one time and they snickered. I never bothered with them after that. I just moved on with my life.

You are correct that they did nothing that I remember to bring to light the ugliness of the new wars and what it does to present soldiers.
hoode | 09.05.07 - 10:11 pm | #

When a country prepares to go to and wage war (with which I disagree in how this one is being waged) that is the time to discuss and debate on the principle of it. When the first round is shot then the debate is over because any thing you say or do that can be used in any way by the enemy to demoralize your forces is not helpful to the forces you claim to support. In the old days that was called treason, pure and simple. That is why people were hung or shot for doing that. If what you say causes any enemy to fight harder and an American soldier dies as a result, then you are as guilty as the bad guy holding the gun, and you hate and despise the fact that there are soldiers that don't and never will agree with what you think they should beleive.
++++++++++++++++++++++

But that is the fallacy. These bastards lie and sneak us into wars. And then say........well we are there we have to win it now. They sneak and lie and distort.

So we have to wait till the war is over??? That worked well didnt it?? We did that with Nam. Did it stop tehm from lying THIS time?? NO

Not ONE time have I heard the gameplan of PNAC cross Bush's lips when speaking to us.

If anyone had KNOWN PNAC was what was being anabled the country would have screamed bloody morder.

Every Goddamned phrase they are using now has been used by Nixon JBJ and a few I forget right now.

So we are just supposed to be good lil boys and just follow the Neocon agenda cuz, after all, it is in motion now.

BULLSHIT!!!!

If hte Neocons have their way we will be at war in that part of the world forever. if we had won in Nam we would have a doxzen PERMANENT bases there. Thats why we WERE there. Our leaders didnt give a crap about the Vietnamese. They dont give a crap about the Iraqis. They want the government back in session so they will pass the damned privitization bill. it is likely that is why the Sunis dropped out of sight in the government.

The days of the world being all simple and the U.S. doing good beyond reproach are exposed as fallacies. YES we HAVE done good in the world.
PNAC is NOT one of the good things.
hoode | 09.05.07 - 10:21 pm | #

Vietnam was unique in that for the first time we had US soldiers come home from a war and call their fellow soldiers war criminals and things such as that. The blame America first crowd was born around that time also. The soldiers that manned the military when I joined, the E-5/E-6 type, all had patches on the right sleeve, and there was little regard for soldiers such as the ones that made up the VVAW. I've have heard from veterans who are current state employees what they think about individuals like Mr. Kerry and the speach he gave in front of Congress.
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Stop using Neocon lingo. It wasnt the Balmer America first generation. It was the first highly educated group of people who wwre numerous enough to have a LOUD voice. They discovered that our country has NOT always been doing good deeds in the world. When the Neocons are in charge of our country we do many BAD things to the world.......disguised as good thing of course. But in reality bad things.

No longer being a tool of the government. Pointing out mistakes and lies as they are exposed does NOT make anyone a blame amreica first group. When it is dicovered that they ARE doing bad things in our name it should fire us up to STOP them......not support them.

These bastards are ruining our country and our reoutation in the world for PNAC. WHY THE HELL AREN'T YOU ANGRY ABOUT THAT???
hoode | 09.05.07 - 10:27 pm | #

These bastards are ruining our country and our reoutation in the world for PNAC. WHY THE HELL AREN'T YOU ANGRY ABOUT THAT???
hoode | 09.05.07 - 10:27 pm
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Why aren't you telling us what PNAC position(s) you disagree with? Go read any of their papers and tell us what you find so objectionable. I bet you're just throwing around "PNAC" because you heard some other libtards hyperventilating about it.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.05.07 - 10:34 pm | #

Man alive, those PNAC folks are nuts! Here's their "statement of principles". Scary stuff, eh libtards?

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 09.05.07 - 10:36 pm | #

I've seen first hand, because of my job, the break down of what America was built and founded upon. It is no secret or mystery that all the problems we now face, abortion, crime, out of wed lock births, break down of the inner city happened after the teaching of morals and religion was removed from school. The inner city and major urban areas of this country are broken, by the way they are run by democrats. I happen to be a democrat and a strict conservitive one at that, in the mold and belief of Ronald Reagan, they left me I didn't leave them kind of party.
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Only PARTIALLY true. The REAL breakdonw occurred when Mom and dad were BOTH working. In the beginning it was not a bad thing. Mom could work a few hours and add stuff to the household. Of course the prices expanded and then the luxury of Mom working a few hours a week became Mom working full time to meet the ecxpanding price increases.

Mom and dad arent home. They cant teach THEIR kids to be parents because they are too busy. So the NEXT generation knows NOTHING about raising kids. They are worried about being the kids friends. So anyone who picks on their kid is the enemy. Anyone who disciplines their kids is the enemy. So NOW we have a sitiuation where no matter what the kid does Mom and Dad wont let the schools discipline them either.

The lack of morals plays into it to a degree. But then many of the parents dont have them either and resent schools trying to teach what they wont teach at home.

This simplistic crap that its all about religion not being taught in school is bullshit. MOM AND DAD ARENT DOING THEIR JOB!!!! THATS the problem.

I wasnt taught religion in school either. But I was a devout Catholic. It isnt schools job to teach religion. it is the churches.

MOM and DAD need to stop working 12-14 hours a frikking day and RASIE THEIR KIDS.
And Corporationes need to be told we DEMAND family time.

MANY things cause the problems we are in now. lack of religion in school is a TEENSY TINY piece of the puzzle.
hoode | 09.05.07 - 10:38 pm | #

Please do not respond to the obvious troll
hoode | 09.05.07 - 10:42 pm | #

Stupid bitch Belinda believes in the plastic turkey myth.
IVAN | 09.06.07 - 5:34 am | #

http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/ ...c227479732.html
Still classy News Clowns readers.
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