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Bill Corcoran | 10.28.07 - 3:58 pm | #

The above comment is NOT from me.
BILL CORCORAN | 10.28.07 - 4:06 pm | #

Bill,

I deleted the "fake" comment and banned the troll.

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Marie Therese | 10.28.07 - 4:11 pm | #

Oooooooo........oooooooo

I can't wait for HELL on Earth - Dick Cheney
Can of Whoop Ass | 10.28.07 - 4:12 pm | #

Bob Douglas = Fake Bill Corcoran

Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 4:27 pm | #

OBL must be laughing his a$$ off, what other administration would attack countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 while not even considering the guy who did it high priority.
Muddog | 10.28.07 - 4:35 pm | #

Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 4:27 pm | #

Yes, and where is the US of A now? Up the creek, that's where.
Graham Chapman | 10.28.07 - 4:36 pm | #

Those comments from Iran remind me of when Sadaam Hussein promised us the mother of all wars.And where's Sadaam now ? Dead,that's where.
Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 4:27 pm

Saddam had no allies because, well, there were other sources of oil. Now that the US essentially controls 2 of those MidEast sources, I have serious doubts that Russia and China will allow the US to run roughshod over a third source that they have legal contracts with.
NChomsky | 10.28.07 - 4:37 pm | #

I fully support our magnetic car ribbons.
Escape Goat | 10.28.07 - 4:44 pm | #

Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 4:27 pm
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Is the ability to take it in the ass for six straight years, and going, from some people hiding in caves, plus the removal of an unarmed dictator of a defenseless country at the cost of everything we ever stood for, supposed to be some kind of an achievement you're actually proud of?

I must be an "anti-American" then because the same "achievements" that make you proud, make me ashamed to be an American.

As we "anti-Americans" always like to say, if you liked Iraq, you're gonna love Iran.
Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 4:46 pm | #

I pray that if Bush does order someone to attack Iran, for the sake of civilization, he tells Bush to go to Hell.
Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 4:51 pm | #

Excellent report, Bill. As always.

You don't seem to think Iran will welcome the US with candy and flowers.

I think it will lead to WWIII. Iran is not going to sit back and just take it. It will lash out and that attack may be on Israel. If that happens, you can kiss your ass goodbye.

I believe it was Albert Einstein who said that he didn't know what weapons WWIII would be fought with, but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones.

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 4:52 pm | #

I fully support our magnetic car ribbons.
Escape Goat | 10.28.07 - 4:44 pm | #
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I'm with you!!! They're so colourful.

With all my love
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 4:53 pm | #

Aunty Em Ericann is a GREAT American!
Escape Goat | 10.28.07 - 5:12 pm | #

Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:13 pm | #

Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:16 pm | #

If you love IslamoFascist Turkey so much why don't you move there?
Escape Goat | 10.28.07 - 5:18 pm | #

Escape Goat | 10.28.07 - 5:18 pm | #

Goat - this guy goes for maximum annoyance and nothing else. Ignore.
Graham Chapman | 10.28.07 - 5:20 pm | #

You'd think that sooner or later the eh hole would learn that nothing of value comes out its piehole. And that we've all learned not to expect anything to fall out its pustulate piehole.I'd like to think that not even the chimperor could be so insanely stupid as to commit yet one more crime against humanity, but I'm also afraid there might not be a limit to the boys stupidity and insanity and that fux noise and their whole flock of twittering parrots will acquiesce in whatever insanity the boy initiates.
donquixotesrocket | 10.28.07 - 5:22 pm | #

Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:22 pm | #

Deleted. Response to already deleted comment.

NChomsky | 10.28.07 - 5:23 pm | #

Nice job, Bill. Missed you this morning...you go so well with coffee...;o)

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Stars & Stripes has apparently confirmed the identity of Clarence Jackson in the Bahrain shooting.
According to S&S, there is quite a history, Jackson had been punished and ordered to stay away from Gresham.

And he was on duty...how do I know?

This snippet:

Jackson was on duty when the shooting occurred, which would explain why he had the gun. Sailors are prohibited from carrying their own personal firearms on base, and security forces members are not allowed to be armed when they are off the clock.

“They don’t carry when they are off duty,” Gay said. “They go through a required check-in and check-out process.

“Therefore, he was on duty,” he added.

http://www.stripes.com/article.a...91& archive=true

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Michelle | 10.28.07 - 5:27 pm | #

Have we EVER seen as much as an acknowledgement of the possible consequenses of US bombing of Iran from the jingoists? Or just any thought given to the day after?
Graham Chapman | 10.28.07 - 5:27 pm | #

Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:29 pm | #

I watched a little of Fox this morning. John Bolton was ginning up for a war with Iran saying, of course, no diplomacy can work. John Bolton - famous for his diplomacy. Also, fringe radical David Horowitz was on pushing his Islamofascist week douchefest at universities across the USA.

Republicans, faithfully crapping themselves over brown people since 9/11.
Marco | 10.28.07 - 5:30 pm | #

Only a troll would come to a blog about Iran and talk about Turkey, no wonder RWers cant find OBL.
Muddog | 10.28.07 - 5:30 pm | #

Have we EVER seen an acknowledgement of the possible consequences of Iran posessing nuclear weapons?

Eh?
Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:29 pm | #

Truth took a fiver to change his pants.
Marco | 10.28.07 - 5:33 pm | #

Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:34 pm | #

Deleted. Response to already deleted comment.

donquixotesrocket | 10.28.07 - 5:36 pm | #

Have we EVER seen an acknowledgement of the possible consequences of Iran posessing nuclear weapons?

Eh?
Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:29 pm | #

Oh yes. It has been pointed out that the President has NOT said that Israel should be wiped off the map, and that he will not even be in charge of the bomb and that he will most probably lose the next election.
And that we are not even sure that there IS a bomb - the IAEA says there is not.

And that the US can not prevent Iran from getting the bomb if they so desires in the long run, and that a bombing of Iran will mean a tremendous blowback in the entire Middle East, and virtually shatter any likelihood of getting out of Iraq in one piece. Besides the Army is overstretched as is.
Graham Chapman | 10.28.07 - 5:38 pm | #

Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:38 pm | #

The much wiser, more worldly Europeans negotiated with Iran over their nuclear weapons programs for four years and got nowhere.

Libtards: Defending Iran from the peace-loving free world.

Eh?
Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:34 pm | #

Oh, is there a nuclear holocaust coming to Europe soon? Gee, I don't know of any Europeans crapping themselves like you are.

Odd, Condie Rice has asked Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton this week about diplomatic issues dealing with issues regarding Middle East.

I wonder why? Maybe Bolton and war cheerleaders like yourself are wrong - again.
Marco | 10.28.07 - 5:39 pm | #

Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:40 pm | #

Poor ol'truthy, Fox keeps the world simple for you doesnt it?
Muddog | 10.28.07 - 5:40 pm | #

Have we EVER seen an acknowledgement of the possible consequences of Iran posessing nuclear weapons?

Eh?
Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:29 pm | #

Nuke weapons has nothing to do with Junior itching to kill more innocent people.

The big question in the Iraq war was, "what was the hurry?" it turns out that the hurry was Junior became impatient. He couldn't even wait two months for the IAEA to come back and tell him there were no WMD's. Junior had to kill 1 million innocent children to find that out.

Roll over Hitler we got a new psychopath called Bush.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 5:40 pm | #

Poor ol'truthy, Fox keeps the world simple for you doesnt it?
Muddog | 10.28.07 - 5:40 pm | #

No the guy simply wants us to reply so he can smear us some more.
Graham Chapman | 10.28.07 - 5:41 pm | #

and then turn the problem over to some future Republican administration. Just like Bill dumped Islamofascist terrorism on the next guy.

Eh?
Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:38 pm | #

LOL. Yes, because it's Bill Clinton's fault that John Asscroft took terrorism of his must-do list and Bush can't read a PDB and ignored FBI warnings and republican Richard Clarke.

Must be nice to live in a delusional world of wingnuttery. Luckily, you're in the 24% of people who have no influnece on American reality.
Marco | 10.28.07 - 5:42 pm | #

No the guy simply wants us to reply so he can smear us some more.
Graham Chapman | 10.28.07 - 5:41 pm | #
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Yeah tell Fox tell hire smarter trolls, these ones arent worth the $5 an hour they're getting paid.
Muddog | 10.28.07 - 5:42 pm | #

Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:43 pm | #

Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:45 pm | #

If Iran weren't pursuing nuclear weapons, we wouldn't be having this conversation, dumbass.

Eh?
Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:43 pm | #

Junior's idea of pursuing nuclear weapons is anyone who has an internet connection.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 5:45 pm | #

Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:46 pm | #

How about North Korea truthy? They're actually doing testing and they said would use them, do they get a pass or are you just following orders?
Muddog | 10.28.07 - 5:48 pm | #

Junior's idea of pursuing nuclear weapons is anyone who has an internet connection.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 5:45 pm
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"...prevent Iran from having the knowledge to..." - Doofus

Can you say, Jesus F****** Christ !!!
Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:49 pm | #

Muddog | 10.28.07 - 5:48 pm | #

Max annoyance and nothing more, muddog. You will never get a clear answer there.

besides it is of course Clintons fault.
Graham Chapman | 10.28.07 - 5:49 pm | #

Bush wasn't your President when OBL and al Qaeda planned and trained for 9/11. Clinton was asleep at the wheel, too busy managing the poll numbers.

Clinton: A do-nothing on terror.

Eh?
Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:45 pm | #

Too bad Bill wasn't still President. While Bush was crying over stem cells, he was ignoring PDBs (wonder why you didn't address that?) like Condie ignored Clinton's transition teams' warning.

You also ignored the repeated FBi warnings I mentioned and Richard Clarke and Asscroft taking terrorism of his watch list. You again ignored reality. Why can't you deal with the facts?
Marco | 10.28.07 - 5:49 pm | #

and equipment for enriching uranium to weapons-grade levels.

Eh?
Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:46 pm | #

Junior would know a drain pipe from a missle silo and he doesn't care he just wants to push the shiny red button. If the shiny red button said push anytime Junior wouldn't be interested.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 5:50 pm | #

The only people crapping their pants are all of you liberals. The mere thought of what Iran might do if we do the right thing and see to it that they don't acquire nuclear weaponry is putting all of you into crapping your pants overdrive.
Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 5:47 pm | #
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Fine then take them out now. What are you waiting for? You've only been blabbing about it for months now, do you think they're not paying attention?
Muddog | 10.28.07 - 5:50 pm | #

Marco | 10.28.07 - 5:49 pm | #

Because he does not care. This has been pointed out to him numerous times, and he persist in running the Clinton line. Max annoyance value, you see.
Graham Chapman | 10.28.07 - 5:53 pm | #

I really wish more Fox viewers would visit the Fox website.....

America Could Have Killed Usama bin Laden — But Didn't

By Col. David Hunt

The current “boneheads” in charge will tell you all day long that we are fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan to stop terrorists there so they do not come here. Nice talk, how about — just for a moment — acting like you mean what you say? You know walk the walk. These incidents, where we displayed a total lack of guts, like the one in August, are just too prevalent. The United States of America’s political and military leadership has, on at least three separate occasions, chosen not capture or kill bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahri. We have allowed Pakistan to become a safe haven for Al Qaeda. We have allowed Al Qaeda to reconstitute, partially because of money they (Al Qaeda in Iraq) have been sending to Al Qaeda in Pakistan.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/ 0,2...,304306,00.html

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Michelle | 10.28.07 - 5:56 pm | #

Graham Chapman | 10.28.07 - 5:53 pm | #

I know. It's futile to argue with a delusional fringe wingnut. It just baffles me that they love being lied to so much. Is there ever been a more gullible group of people? Everything Rush, Fox and the Bush administration says, they believe without question when there is a wealth of facts at their fingertips. Instead they come here to make themselves look idiotic.

Republicans - party before country every time.
Marco | 10.28.07 - 5:56 pm | #

It's best to ignore Truthless: The Anti-American, all his comments will be deleted shortly anyway.

He's like the little kid that scribbles on the walls with a crayon. It's soon gone.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:56 pm | #

He's like the little kid that scribbles on the walls with a crayon. It's soon gone.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:56 pm |
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Yeah when you actually stare them down and tell them to put their money where mouth is they run scared.
Muddog | 10.28.07 - 5:59 pm | #

and then turn the problem over to some future Republican administration. Just like Bill dumped Islamofascist terrorism on the next guy.

Eh?
Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:38 pm | #

Here's a partial - yet incredibly long - list of accomplishments against terrorism for which the Clinton Administration gets almost no credit or even recognition. President Clinton:

-- sent legislation to Congress to TIGHTEN AIRPORT SECURITY. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.
-- sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST FUNDING. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.
-- sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.
When Republicans couldn't prevent executive action, President Clinton:
-- Developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
--Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.
-- Tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).
-- Brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
-- Did not blame Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after they had left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.
-- Named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.
-- Tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.
-- Detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries
-- Created a national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.
-- Robert Oakley, Reagan Counterterrorism Czar says of Clinton's efforts "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama"
-- Paul Bremer, Bush's Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley saying he believed the Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden. "
-- Barton Gellman of the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort."

lil awol bites
bob h | 10.28.07 - 5:59 pm | #

Here, in stark contrast, is part of the Bush-Cheney anti-terrorism record before September 11, 2001:
-- Backed off Clinton administration's anti-terrorism efforts.
-- Shelved the Hart-Rudman report.
-- Appointed new anti-terrorism task force under Dick Cheney. Group did not even meet before 9/11.
-- Called for cuts in anti-terrorism efforts by the Department of Defense.
-- Gave no priority to anti-terrorism efforts by Justice Department.
-- Ignored warnings from Sandy Berger, Louis Freeh, George Tenet, Paul Bremer, and Richard Clarke about the urgency of terrorist threats.
-- Halted Predator drone tracking of Osama bin Laden.
-- Did nothing in wake of August 6 C.I.A. report to president saying Al Qaeda attack by hijack of an airliner almost certain.
-- Bush - knowing about the terrorists' plans to attack in America, warned that terrorists were in flight schools in the US - took a four week vacation.
-- By failing to order any coordination of intelligence data, missed opportunity to stop the 9/11 plot as Clinton-Gore had stopped the millennium plots.
-- Blamed President Clinton for 9/11.

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Yup, sure was a good thing lilw was on the watch.
bob h | 10.28.07 - 6:02 pm | #

Israel knows how to take care of terrorist.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/ tol...icle2461421.ece
According to Israeli sources, preparations for the attack had been going on since late spring, when Meir Dagan, the head of Mossad, presented Olmert with evidence that Syria was seeking to buy a nuclear device from North Korea.

The Israeli spy chief apparently feared such a device could eventually be installed on North-Korean-made Scud-C missiles.

“This was supposed to be a devastating Syrian surprise for Israel,” said an Israeli source. “We’ve known for a long time that Syria has deadly chemical warheads on its Scuds, but Israel can’t live with a nuclear warhead.”

An expert on the Middle East, who has spoken to Israeli participants in the raid, told yesterday’s Washington Post that the timing of the raid on September 6 appeared to be linked to the arrival three days earlier of a ship carrying North Korean material labelled as cement but suspected of concealing nuclear equipment.
Cal | 10.28.07 - 6:04 pm | #

Double Snap for bob h!!!!!

;o}
Michelle | 10.28.07 - 6:05 pm | #

David Michael Green — "Imagine if an incompetent and insufficiently masculine boob like Al 'Sore Loserman' Gore or, gulp, French-speaking John Kerry had been at the helm these last years. Or Hillary! Ack! Talk about your scary scenarios. Things might have really gone awry. To begin with, a wimpy Democrat president probably wouldn't have paid any attention at all to the terrorism question during his or her first months in office, even if the alarm bells were going off like crazy that a big attack was planned. Probably a Hillary type would have been all obsessed about Iraq, instead, her cabinet refusing to even meet on the terrorism question until a week before 9/11. And even had they been warned in a Presidential Daily Briefing that the attack was imminent, these slouches would have been likely to have spent the month before 9/11 on vacation, as part of a wider and quite successful effort to set the all-time presidential record for most days spent screwing off (and that's only the officially acknowledged ones). And just as Bush and Cheney had once slogged their way through the mud and the jungles of Vietnam while Gore and Kerry were home hiding out and partying, no doubt the latter two would have been equally hard to find on 9/11. You could just imagine them flying off to - oh, I don't know, Nebraska! - in the face of national danger. Or sitting in a grade school classroom reading children's books. Or both. "
ProfessorDuh | 10.28.07 - 6:08 pm | #

Double Snap for bob h!!!!!

;o}
Michelle | 10.28.07 - 6:05 pm | #

Thanks, I do hate replying to mindless parrots, but I just hate it when they lie so blantantly.
bob h | 10.28.07 - 6:08 pm | #

Fine then take them out now. What are you waiting for? You've only been blabbing about it for months now, do you think they're not paying attention?
Muddog | 10.28.07 - 5:50 pm
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It's not nice to keep people waiting.

We promised Iran we'd visit and they've been preparing a welcome for us for over 6 years now. The flowers in the garlands are drying up and the sweets are getting stale on the serving plates.

How many times, and in how many languages, do they have to tell us to "Bring It On" before the coward in the White House does what he claims he's itching to do? What's holding the coward back? Don't tell me his pro-life "values" making him reluctant to take another million Muslim lives which are not technically lives anyway.
Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 6:09 pm | #

.....they lie so blantantly.
bob h | 10.28.07 - 6:08 pm | #
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Being unfamilar with reality based living, it is all they know. Or want to hear.

Props where props are due.

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Michelle | 10.28.07 - 6:14 pm | #

Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 6:16 pm | #

I'm sorry - I had to laugh to keep from crying. Clinton didn't take care of Islofascism and passed it onto Bush?

He took quite good care of it with the sanctions and the no fly zone.

The reason 9/11 happened was that the first George Bush set foot on Saudi Arabia - so says Osama Bin Laden.

And this Bush was asleep at the wheel when 9/11 happened and turned that into a war based on lies against Iraq.

Wake up and smell the roses that, thank goodness, this Bush president won't be smelling much longer.
Scarlet, Pbd | 10.28.07 - 6:18 pm | #

Abby,

God hasn't told Bush to attack yet.

Gotta wait for God.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 6:18 pm | #

Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 6:09 pm |
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Fox gives the impression that "we would do it now if only the Liberals would let us" and of course when things f*ck up, its "Those damn liberals, it would have worked if they hadnt sabotaged us at home".
Muddog | 10.28.07 - 6:19 pm | #

Interesting Bob that you left out all of the terrorist attacks that this administration has thwarted since 9/11.
Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 6:16 pm | #
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I hear a lot about all the attacks that "they say" they stopped. The thing is, this group says everything they do is so top secret that we just have to take their word for it.
So, in conclusion - NAME SOME
bob h | 10.28.07 - 6:19 pm | #

Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 6:16 pm | #
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And which 'thwarted' attacks are those, Bob?

We are all pretty conversant in current affairs, and we know that had any terrorist activity been 'thwarted', Fox would have been screaming about it 24/7.

N'est pas?
Michelle | 10.28.07 - 6:20 pm | #

Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 6:16 pm | #

Junior hasn't thwarted anything. All he did was play into the hands of the terrorists giving them the rhetorical ammunition they need to recruit.

Bush blowing up a million innocent Iraqi children doesn't win hearts and mines in the Middle East, not that he cares.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 6:21 pm | #

THANKS MICHELLE. WE ARE UP AND RUNNING. BILL CORCORAN.

Nice job, Bill. Missed you this morning...you go so well with coffee...;o)

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Stars & Stripes has apparently confirmed the identity of Clarence Jackson in the Bahrain shooting.
According to S&S, there is quite a history, Jackson had been punished and ordered to stay away from Gresham.

And he was on duty...how do I know?

This snippet:

Jackson was on duty when the shooting occurred, which would explain why he had the gun. Sailors are prohibited from carrying their own personal firearms on base, and security forces members are not allowed to be armed when they are off the clock.

“They don’t carry when they are off duty,” Gay said. “They go through a required check-in and check-out process.

“Therefore, he was on duty,” he added.

http://www.stripes.com/article.a...91& archive=true

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Michelle | 10.28.07 - 5:27 pm | #
BILL CORCORAN | 10.28.07 - 6:22 pm | #

Mr. Bush, can you maybe elaborate on say a few of the terrorist plots you have thwarted?

Uh, I really can't be specific because it's classified material and would embolden the enemy if I told you. Next question.
Escape Goat | 10.28.07 - 6:23 pm | #

Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 6:25 pm | #

The true lessons of 9/11 and it's aftermath were never learned:

(1) Bad things cannot be stopped from happening if you put a Doofus in charge of stopping them.

(2) We Have Nothing To Fear But Fear Itself.
Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 6:26 pm | #

Well done, Bill C!

(and better late than never, but you WILL require a note from a parent should you happen to be late again!)
MLP | 10.28.07 - 6:28 pm | #

NEVER FORGET! George Bush Senior was entirely complicit and responsible for the first WTC attack!
Escape Goat | 10.28.07 - 6:29 pm | #

Those attacks were planned 2 years before Bush 2 took office.Where was Clinton all that time ?
Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 6:25 pm
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Oh God, you're so right. Clinton should have read their minds and stopped them in the planning stages two years before 9/11. If Clinton had just done that, the 52 warnings Bush received would not have had to be ignored and 9/11 would not have happened.

DAMN YOU, BILL CLINTON !!!!!
Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 6:31 pm | #

Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 6:25 pm

So who's responsible for the First WTC bombing?
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 6:34 pm | #

George Hiram Walker Bush!
Escape Goat | 10.28.07 - 6:36 pm | #

Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 6:25 pm | #

Terrorist organizations has been around as far back a the Reagan administration.

During the Clinton administration experts has stepped forward and warned the Republican controlled Congress that the terrorist organization have been getting more dangerous as the years went by because of the learning curve.

Do you know who the Republican controlled Congress listened to? Nutballs like Kristol and members of the PNAC that's who.

When Bush became President he put 11 of these PNAC nutballs on his staff and it's been screw up city ever since.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 6:37 pm | #

Why, oh why, do we feel that it is even remotely possible to win a debate against this dumbest of trolls?

It should just take it's very worn and tired talking points to a friendlier place...like Free Republic.
MLP | 10.28.07 - 6:41 pm | #

I think this hoopla may just be Bush's desire to get the 88 million for MOPs and to get people's minds off on Iraq. Not that they haven't shown they are crazy enough to actually make war with Iran and their Nuke lauded Russian buddies..
Russ | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 6:44 pm | #

If the trolls consider the USS Cole a terror attack, it was a US Naval Ship sitting in a Muslim country. Then every bomb or IED that kills an American troop in Iraq or Afghanistan is a terror attack.

So Bush has 1000's under his watch.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 6:47 pm | #

An attack on the man who pays me to spew the liberal talking points on all blogs, backfires: http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport...ives/ 13382.html

heh heh.
Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 6:49 pm | #

Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 6:49 pm | #

It’s really a shame to see Soros Derangement Syndrome in action, but it’s ironic when the right goes after him and ends up highlighting alleged fraud committed by major Bush backers.

Too funny.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 6:59 pm | #

Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 6:49 pm | #

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LOL! Great article Abby.

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YLA | 10.28.07 - 6:59 pm | #

Fox always has the pom poms out to deploy people not named Hannity, O'Reilly, Doocy, Kilmeade, Cavuto and Hume to war zones to "preserve western civilization"
jr | 10.28.07 - 7:00 pm | #

MLP | 10.28.07 - 6:41 pm | #

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Hey MLP! Wishing you a speedy recovery!

Take care of yourself.

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YLA | 10.28.07 - 7:01 pm | #

Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 5:47 pm | #

Well, besides the amount of people getting killed in air raids, the soldiers in Iraq are surrounded by Shia muslims sympathetic to Iran and Russia and China are not too fond of you bombing a partner either. That does not worry you.
Graham Chapman | 10.28.07 - 5:51 pm | #

It is not as if these RW nuts can not understand they do not want to understand. They just do see the signifcance of what would happen if the US attack Iran. They do not want to see the facts. Such, unlike Iraq, Iran does have the means and abbilty to defend themselves. Such as Russian and US made defensive weoponds.

They have there Halo III they thus they think they are experts
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 7:09 pm | #

Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 6:16 pm | #
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I hear a lot about all the attacks that "they say" they stopped. The thing is, this group says everything they do is so top secret that we just have to take their word for it.
So, in conclusion - NAME SOME
bob h | 10.28.07 - 6:19 pm | #

crickets

Bob Douglas | 10.28.07 - 6:25 pm

So who's responsible for the First WTC bombing?
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 6:34 pm | #

crickets
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 7:10 pm | #

Thanks, YLA!
I'll be spending my recovery here. Maybe I'll get into some of that there troll-whackin'....
MLP | 10.28.07 - 7:10 pm | #

Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 6:37 pm | #

The troll have their fingers in thier ears, their eyes taped shut and a blowhorn stuck in their mouth. They do not gave a s**t about the truth.
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 7:11 pm | #

The reason Bush and Cheney are using for going to war with Iran is because Iran has nukes. But wait until you read this:

http://www.news.com.au/ heraldsun...5005961,00.html

BILL CORCORAN, author of this guest blog.
BILL CORCORAN | 10.28.07 - 7:11 pm | #

BILL CORCORAN | 10.28.07 - 7:11 pm | #

Shhh! You will upset the troll with those kinds of facts. Too liberal for them to handle

Great post as always. Thank you.
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 7:18 pm | #

BILL CORCORAN | 10.28.07 - 7:11 pm | #

The White House rhetoric that they are committted to diplomacy is the same lie they gave when they conned the People into going along with the Iraq war.

Exhausting all diplomatic means is the same lie Bush made about Iraq as the Bush Anzar tape and the Downing St memo shows.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 7:23 pm | #

THE ROACHMAN AND FREE SPEECH. I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW. Fox News and the trolls who come out their caves to post on this site never let FACTS stand in the way of their twisted thinking. I appreciate you guys pointing this out with the following posts following my post which shows Iran DOES NOT have nukes.

BILL CORCORAN, author of this guest blog.

The reason Bush and Cheney are using for going to war with Iran is because Iran has nukes. But wait until you read this:

http://www.news.com.au/ heraldsun...5005961,00.html

BILL CORCORAN, author of this guest blog.
BILL CORCORAN | 10.28.07 - 7:11 pm | #

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BILL CORCORAN | 10.28.07 - 7:11 pm | #

Shhh! You will upset the troll with those kinds of facts. Too liberal for them to handle

Great post as always. Thank you.
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 7:18 pm | #

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BILL CORCORAN | 10.28.07 - 7:11 pm | #

The White House rhetoric that they are committted to diplomacy is the same lie they gave when they conned the People into going along with the Iraq war.

Exhausting all diplomatic means is the same lie Bush made about Iraq as the Bush Anzar tape and the Downing St memo shows.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 7:23 pm | #
BILL CORCORAN | 10.28.07 - 7:29 pm | #

A drunk will deliberately start a fight just to come up use the fight as an excuse to go get drunk. This behaviour is epidemic in the Bush administration. If Europe goes along with the arm twisting the United States will say see even Europe agrees with us. If Europe doesn't go along with the arm twisting then the United States will use that as an excuse to attack Iran. It's damn if you do and damn if you don't. Bush wants his war and his won't let anything get in his way including facts.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/def...-10- 2007_pg4_14

* The sanctions send a message to the Europeans that if they do not support the US stance, they heighten the risk of the United States taking military action...
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 7:42 pm | #

following my post which shows Iran DOES NOT have nukes.

And thanks to great leadership in America and Israel Iran never will have nukes.

Eh?
- | 10.28.07 - 7:45 pm | #

Hi all,

I've got a few questions for those of you who HATE Bush, the Iraq War, pressuring Iran on its Nuclear ambitions and Republicans in general.

Does Israel have a right to exist?

Do you think Iran be trusted to possess nuclear technology?

I'll answer any of yours...I'm both Conservative and Liberal. Depends on the issue.
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 7:50 pm | #

Are these Fox News trolls aware that they are far right wing fringe nutjobs?
mojo | 10.28.07 - 7:51 pm | #

BILL CORCORAN | 10.28.07 - 7:11 pm | #

At this stage Iran does not have the capacity nor the knowledge to make "Nukes".

But it is a MAJOR contributor and friend to Hamas whos charter is based on the extinction of Jews and Israel.
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 7:55 pm | #

The latest, mind-blowing, mother of all jerk offs, comes directly from Fox News (where else): Apparently, the latest unilateral sanctions imposed on Iran are a diplomatic move by the Bush administration in their effort to bypass Ahmadinejad and negotiate directly with Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

That is their idea of diplomacy - and they wonder why they hate us so much.
Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:00 pm | #

Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:00 pm | #

Is it okay with you that Iran funds and supports Hamas?
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:08 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 7:50 pm | #

As long as they comply with the IAEA, they have the right to pursue civilian nuclear power under the NPT.
Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:10 pm | #

Asylum =Uber Troll

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:12 pm | #

Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:12 pm | #

Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:13 pm | #

Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:17 pm | #

Is it okay with you that Iran funds and supports Hamas?
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:08 pm
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You look and sound new here so I can't tell exactly where you're coming from so I'll venture this: The questions you ask are better suited to a Sean Hannity kind of show.

These matters are complex with complex answers and there are no simple yes or no answers to your questions.
Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:18 pm | #

That the United States has a "nucular" bomb controlled by a crazed cowboy who "talks to God" is far more frightening to the rest of the world than Iran having one.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 8:18 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:20 pm | #

Does Israel have a right to exist?
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Sure
Muddog | 10.28.07 - 8:24 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:20 pm

So being "pro-American" is blindly following everything that big pimping war daddy says? Being pro-American is wanting to destroy other countries and in the process get a lot of Americans killed? Guess I'm in the majority who are "anti-American."
claudo | 10.28.07 - 8:25 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:20 pm

Is it okay with you that Bush&Co support the Saudis after most of the hijackers on 9/11 were Saudis?

And they've been known to sponsor terrorists.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:25 pm | #

Bill,
Another great post.
Thanks.
vermontdave | 10.28.07 - 8:26 pm | #

john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:25 pm

Ah, Saudi Arabia - a bastion of "freedom and democracy" and women's rights!!!!!
claudo | 10.28.07 - 8:26 pm | #

IF Israel wants regime change in Iran, let Israel go to war. They're a very powerful nation(with Nuclear weapons).
Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:28 pm | #

claudo | 10.28.07 - 8:18 pm | #

That sounds plain and simple, Anti-American.
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:20 pm | #
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I agree, but what can we do? The United States DOES HAVE a "nucular" bomb controlled by a crazed cowboy who "talks to God." [h/t: claudo]

That's so damned Anti-American!!!

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:30 pm | #

THANKS VERMONT DAVE. Each week I try to bring to the News Hounds site links and stories re the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that are not reported by FOX News. More recently, I have been searching for articles which present the Iranian point of view on the possibility of war with United States because every issue has two sides to it. Today's post was an example of the many articles indicating what the Iranians are saying about the U.S. attacking them.

I appreciate your support.
Bill Corcoran, author of this guest blog.

Bill,
Another great post.
Thanks.
vermontdave | 10.28.07 - 8:26 pm | #
BILL CORCORAN | 10.28.07 - 8:31 pm | #

Asylum = Uber Troll

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:32 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:33 pm | #

O/T..Go BC, Jesuit-educated here.

I have lots more to say but will keep quiet for now.
Henry195 | 10.28.07 - 8:36 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:32 pm

So now you want to bring Clinton into it.

Plus there are Sunnis and Shias both in Iraq. Who do you think Saudi supports there?

Tell me just what are you liberal about, as you claimed in your first post.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:38 pm | #

Does Israel have a right to exist?
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 7:50 pm | #

Your posts are right out of Hannity's playbook. You should go to school or something.

Israel is not even a Democratically created country in the first place. Israel is a state and you aren't even asking, "When is Palenstine?" meaning Israel's Constitution calls for a Jewish state. What this means is the Palenstinian People cannot become part of the political process otherwise you wouldn't have a Jewish state.

Try learning instead of being a Hannity jerk off.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 8:41 pm | #

Do you think the average Iranian has the same sentiment towards the US as the Clerics?
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:33 pm

After 9-11 we had a great deal of sympathy from the Iranians; but then Bush blew it with the "axis of evil" speech. The more moderate Khatami was replaced by Ahmadinejad who shares (de-facto) power with the hard line clerics. The people who live in the big cities are actually far more secular than those who live in many Sunni countries (see Moaveni's "Lipstick Jihad"); but they will be unified in the face of American agression. Iran has an ancient and well educated culture with the second largest Jewish community in the Muslim world. They also have a very powerful military which is right next door to Iranian influenced (Iran doing some major infrastructure work in Iraq) Iraq.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 8:42 pm | #

I'll play you're game asylum, sure Israel has a right to exist.
Muddog | 10.28.07 - 8:43 pm | #

Do you think the average Iranian has the same sentiment towards the US as the Clerics?
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:33 pm | #

Again you show ignorance of countries outside of our own.

During the rule of the Shah many Iranians became secular and are quite modern. The country is divided very much like our country thanks to Bush.

The seculars have been making progress could possibly change the course of Iran if given time.

Many grassroot Iranians are just like many Americans. They see their country being ruled by screwballs just as we see our country being ruled by a cowboy wannabe with a few screws loose.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 8:47 pm | #

john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:38 pm | #

Yes. Clinton didn't do enough and he openly admits it.

Saudis hands down favor Sunni, everywhere.

Decriminalize Marijuana. Seat Belt laws are a joke. There are too many fuckin cameras in my neighborhood. Debits at gas stations are fed to Satellites.
I'm sure there is a ton of information being collected about us that we dont know about.
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:48 pm | #

Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:48 pm | #

We have to go to war with Iran. That will be the best thing for not only America, but world peace. Bush should of already been bombing Iran.
Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:48 pm | #

Your post is like saying fuck to restore virginity.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 8:50 pm | #

Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:48 pm |

Yup, nothing like dead men, women, and children, at the hands of an invading nation, to spread world peace and win international friends. And it's very much in keeping with "the culture of life." Yup.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 8:50 pm | #

We have to go to war with Iran. That will be the best thing for not only America, but world peace.

Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:48 pm
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And you're a simple minded fool.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:50 pm | #

Yes. Clinton didn't do enough and he openly admits it.

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:48 pm
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Do you think Bush did enough?
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:52 pm | #

Asylum = Uber Troll

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:52 pm | #

john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:52 pm | #

No.
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:52 pm | #

Clinton: A do-nothing on terror.

Eh?
Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:12 pm | #

World Trade Center: Boom ***
In October 1995, the militant
Islamist and blind cleric Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, was sentenced to life imprisonment for masterminding the bombing. In 1998, Ramzi Yousef was convicted of "seditious conspiracy" to bomb the towers. In all, ten militant Islamist conspirators were convicted for their part in the bombing, each receiving prison sentences of at least 240 years.

Khobar Towers: Boom***

In Washington, officials launched investigations of the Khobar Towers incident specifically and military force protection policy in general. Within three days, Perry had chartered a retired Army officer, Gen. Wayne A. Downing, to do a fast, unvarnished review of the facts. In Congress, the House National Security Committee organized a fact-finding team and had it on the ground in Saudi Arabia within two weeks.

USS Cole: Boom*****
U.S. officials on Friday said they were looking at a number of militant groups in their probe of the attack on the Cole in the harbor at Aden, Yemen, and bin Laden's group, al-Qaeda, or "The Base," topped the list.

The United States accuses bin Laden of organizing a network with followers across the Middle East, including Yemen, and says he masterminded the embassy bombings.

Ali Mohamed, a former U.S. Army sergeant, pleaded guilty Friday to helping plot the embassy bombings, saying he joined bin Laden and others in a holy war to kill Americans anywhere they could be found. He was the first to plead guilty of the 17 key people indicted in the United States for the bombings.

Tanzanian embassy: Boom
Kenyan embassy: Boom****

The United States has indicted former Saudi millionaire Osama bin Laden for the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and he is on the FBI's list of the 10 most wanted suspected criminals.
All unresponded to (bombings of aspirin factories and empty campgrounds notwithstanding).

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Do nothing - maybe you are thinking of the vacation in chief who likes to read childrens books. Oh yea, I guess you can't really say he does nothing, he goes and attacks countries that have nothing to do with what happened to us.
bob h | 10.28.07 - 8:52 pm | #

We have to go to war with Iran. That will be the best thing for not only America, but world peace.
Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:48 pm | #
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George Orwell??? Izzat you?

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:54 pm | #

bob h | 10.28.07 - 8:52 pm

And speaking of the Cole, did you see where one of the perps was released from Yemeni prison? Guess we have to bomb Yemen.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 8:54 pm | #

Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:54 pm | #

Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:54 pm

He must love Big Brother.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 8:54 pm | #

Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:55 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:55 pm | #

He must love Big Brother.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 8:54 pm | #
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Don't we all???

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:55 pm | #

Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:54 pm

And what happens when the Iranians target every American emplacement in Iraq? What happens when Russia and China give them support? What happens to the cost of oil when the Iranians block the straights of Hormuz? And when our exhausted and overstretched army has been destroyed, who will fight?
claudo | 10.28.07 - 8:56 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:55 pm

Ain't gonna happen. Russia and China are trading partners with Iran.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 8:57 pm | #

Should we just sit back and do nothing? Is that the best you people have?
Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:55 pm | #
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Is attacking a country that didn't attack us the best you have?

It sure was the best President Chimpie had.

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:57 pm | #

Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:54 pm

And what are you going to do when Russia and China take Irans side?

Are you going to enlist or hide under your bed?
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 8:57 pm | #

Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:58 pm | #

Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:55 pm

Diplomacy is what Bush's daddy did - and was fairly successful. But Rice is no James Baker.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 8:58 pm | #

US Citizens still have the power in this country. Asylum | 10.28.07 - 8:52 pm | #

Wrong you are bucko. The Constitution was created to limit the powers of government which is why Bush hates it and trashes it and gives the People of the United States the middle finger.

The Republican Party lost control of Congress because the People by a vast majority want the troops home. That is a message from the People. What does Bush do? He sents more troops to Iraq which is his way of saying screw you to the People.

The People have no Power. This country is hijacked and it will take time to clean up Junior's mess. Bush trashed the unborn children of this nation by dumping a 4 trillion dollar I.O.U on them. Those unborn children have no power because Bush screwed them before they can even get to the table and say no to this Iraq fiasco.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 8:58 pm | #

America used to be the Home of the Brave.
I guess it was just talk.
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Patriot Actor | 10.28.07 - 8:59 pm | #

And speaking of the Cole, did you see where one of the perps was released from Yemeni prison? Guess we have to bomb Yemen.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 8:54 pm | #

Yeah, he "promised" to be loyal to the Yemeni leaders. (sure, can you say STUPID)
bob h | 10.28.07 - 8:59 pm | #

Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 8:58 pm

I read an interesting article from the NY Times about how many fundamentalist Christians no longer support the war. If that block is splitting off, that is significant.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:00 pm | #

America needs to just take Iran's oil. We should just kill all of the Iranians and make that country ours. That way we would get very cheap oil and we don't have to worry about Iran.

That is a win/win situation for America.
Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:58 pm | #
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I think Herbie, The Love Bug, just showed his true colours.

He wants death and destruction and doesn't think there will be any consequences. Or, to put it in geopolitical parlance: BLOWBACK.

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:00 pm | #

Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:58 pm | #

Oil has been going up numnuts. Before Junior is even out of office oil will go up to a $100 dollars a barrel and the value of our dollar is sinking like a rock.

You'll see a pig fly before you see cheap oil.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 9:01 pm | #

America needs to just take Iran's oil. We should just kill all of the Iranians and make that country ours. That way we would get very cheap oil and we don't have to worry about Iran.

That is a win/win situation for America.
Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:58 pm

Hahahaha....now THAT is just too damn stupid even for a troll...how old are you Herbie???
NChomsky | 10.28.07 - 9:01 pm | #

Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:00 pm

I think he's just here to get attention because nobody could be that stupid? Could they?
claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:01 pm | #

I think he's just here to get attention because nobody could be that stupid? Could they?
claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:01 pm

I was thinking the same thing. Must be a teenager in the basement of mom and dad's house.
NChomsky | 10.28.07 - 9:02 pm | #

I think he's just here to get attention because nobody could be that stupid? Could they?
claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:01 pm | #
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There's a man in the White House I'd like you to meet.

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:02 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:02 pm | #

Herbie | 10.28.07 - 8:58 pm
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The LoveBug just proved he's a troll to be ignored with his statement.

He's just on here to see if he can rile up people.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:03 pm | #

Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:02 pm

Oh, true that!!!
claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:03 pm | #

There's a man in the White House I'd like you to meet.

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:02 pm

He isn't stupid Aunty Em. But I'm thinking somehow 100 mill or so Americans voted for him......TWICE!!! Ugh!!
NChomsky | 10.28.07 - 9:03 pm | #

I read an interesting article from the NY Times about how many fundamentalist Christians no longer support the war. If that block is splitting off, that is significant.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:00 pm | #

I hope so. The Fundamentalists makes a big difference.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 9:03 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:02 pm

They're also holding the mortgage of the US - fact.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:04 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:05 pm | #

"America needs to just take Iran's oil. We should just kill all of the Iranians and make that country ours. That way we would get very cheap oil and we don't have to worry about Iran."
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Even as loaded on painkillers as I am, I can spot that post as one of the all-time dumbest and most foul ever around here.
This is obviously one of our 'family-values' proponents! This strategy has worked so well for us in Iraq, hasn't it?
MLP | 10.28.07 - 9:06 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:06 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:02 pm

Do you know who owns the biggest majority of the US's debts?
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:06 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:05 pm

How the hell can you extrapolate Christian hatred from my post which was factual. Do you guys have some kind of persecution complex? The article was very interesting because it shows the evangelical Christian block is no longer unified.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:07 pm | #

I'll play you're game asylum, sure Israel has a right to exist.
Muddog | 10.28.07 - 8:43 pm
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You know, "Israel has a right to exist" has been repeated so many times that it's become like a part of our very Constitution.

There is a reason behind that framing: It gives victim status to Israel. That helps turn a blind eye to Israeli terrorism and to the occupation of Palestinian lands. After all, if Israel is the victim, a victim must be given a right to defend itself, right?

That helps avoid asking the obvious corresponding question: Do the Palestinians have a right to their own State? Do the Palestinians have a right to try to defend their lands by trying to kill the invaders?

Now, suppose one day we do define what we mean by terrorism. If Israel qualifies as a state sponsor of terrorism, would you still say Israel still has a right to exist? And if they do don't other terror-sponsoring Muslim countries the right to exist?
Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:07 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:06 pm

Uh, national debt which is increasing exponentially with this war.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:08 pm | #

Off to look into the future:) Nostradamus on the History channel.
Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:09 pm | #

Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:07 pm

And the 500 pound elephant question in the room is "does Kurdistan have a right to exist?" Right now that area is getting very problematic.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:09 pm | #

Christian prayer bad? Muslim prayer okay?
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:05 pm
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Hey, listen, twit. Why don't you give your silly little pedant game and just come out of your RW closet and face us like a man?

Oh, and the answer to your question? All conversations to all make-believe play-persons are bad.
MLP | 10.28.07 - 9:09 pm | #

MLP | 10.28.07 - 9:09 pm

Very Bill O'Reilly type of debate tactic using the old good/bad, black/white categorizations which in this case weren't even part of the commentary.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:11 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:12 pm | #

I can see how Bush might get away with targeted air strikes; but an all out invasion would need congressional approval - one hopes!!!! Course if it were up to Fox News....
claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:12 pm | #

And the 500 pound elephant question in the room is "does Kurdistan have a right to exist?" Right now that area is getting very problematic.
claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:09 pm | #

A big major problem. Especially to a Texas oilman who was banking that the Iraq government will melt down.

If Turky invades the Kurdish region entirely this may change the oil picture in the region.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 9:13 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:14 pm | #

We need cheap labor, a win win deal no?
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:12 pm | #

So, you're all for Mexican immigrants coming into the country?

Am I right?
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:15 pm | #

claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:11 pm
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This clown has been around here before doing much the same thing.
It's just a ploy to get attention.
MLP | 10.28.07 - 9:16 pm | #

MLP | 10.28.07 - 9:16 pm

I like the way he started out that he was both liberal and conservative.

But like the rest of the usual RWers, he shows his true colors.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:18 pm | #

Wonder if Rush thinks that these are "phony soldiers?"

'I Don't Think This Place Is Worth Another Soldier's Life'
After 14 months in a Baghdad district torn by mounting sectarian violence, members of one U.S. unit are tired, bitter and skeptical.

By Joshua Partlow
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, October 27, 2007; Page A01

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...ml? hpid=artslot
claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:18 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:19 pm | #

Why does everyone hate Christians so much?
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:05 pm | #
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I don't hate Christians. I just hate Christianity.

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:19 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:20 pm | #

We need cheap labor, a win win deal no?
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:12 pm | #

So you are proud to wave the American Flag made in China.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 9:21 pm | #

Chinese currency is undervalued increasing the deficit. When it corrects you will see a much improved ratio.

China is in a major crisis. Its population is aging and they dont have the money to support or take care of them. Most of the water is polluted. We need cheap labor, a win win deal no?
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:12 pm | #

Yeah!!! How fun

instead of a dollar head down slowling we get one spiraling downward and out of control.

Fact is the Yen is proping up the dollar due to it being peg the the USD
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 9:21 pm | #

Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:19 pm | #

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Gandhi
Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:22 pm | #

Here's the link to that NY Times article about the splintering of the religious right.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/2...gin& oref=slogin
claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:22 pm | #

Its population is aging and they dont have the money to support or take care of them. Most of the water is polluted.

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:12 pm | #
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How come there spending a billon dollars to clean up a lake over there if they don't have any money?
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:23 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:25 pm | #

there spending > they're spending.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:27 pm | #

claudo | 10.28.07 - 9:22 pm | #

I don't know if you are aware of this but many of the religious right prior to the sixties stayed out of politics.

It was the short lived sexual revolution of the sixties that brought the religious right out of woodworks and created such movements such as the Moral Majority and so on.

Nixon fueled the fire to this movement when he did his war on pornography speech. Reagan capitalized on the right and of course Bush wearing God on his sleeve exploited the gullible as well.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 9:29 pm | #

Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:22 pm | #

It's a good thing I am Agnostic.

john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:23 pm | #

Exactly! Where and how do you think they are getting their money?

theroachman | 10.28.07 - 9:21 pm | #

Japan is another large debt holder. I am a FOREX trader btw so I am quite verse in Exchange rates and the markets. Politics and news play a HUGE role in prices.
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:29 pm | #

Ah once again BUSTED and SMACKED DOWN by Johnny Dollar!
I deleted the "fake" comment and banned the troll.
Commie Marie Theresa
What a good little COMMUNIST CHAVEZ PUPPET. Nothing like the love of FREE SPEECH by a skanky, flea infested MUTT. Screw IRAN, NUKE THE MUTTS!!
BILL | 10.28.07 - 9:30 pm | #

Why?
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:20 pm | #
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Christianity is organized religion, which I'll call The Church. The Church perverts The Good Book for its own nefarious reasons.

Christians --- true Christians, that is --- believe in love and peace. The Church has always believed in war.

Mind you, I don't have much respect for ANY organized religion. They are all pretty much the same, in my book (no pun intended). They ignore the teachings of the religion(s) in order to make people 'fall in line' with whatever meme-of-the-day supports their political/religious agenda.

Religious people: Good.
Religion: Bad.

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:31 pm | #

Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:29 pm

Am I suppose to be impressed?
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:33 pm | #

Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:22 pm | #
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I wish I had said that.

Good one, Mahatma!!!

SNAP

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:33 pm | #

Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:31 pm | #

Interesting. Religion does keep the masses in check. For some though it gives hope which means a lot.
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:33 pm | #

I am a FOREX trader
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:29 pm | #
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Isn't that a brand of condom?

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:34 pm | #

That would be Durex.
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:36 pm | #

Interesting. Religion does keep the masses in check. For some though it gives hope which means a lot.
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:33 pm | #

To bad it failed to keep Bush and the Republican Party in check.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 9:37 pm | #

john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:33 pm | #

Yes if my Durex was as large as my FOREX :p
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:37 pm | #

Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 9:37 pm | #

True but you lose the moral argument if you are against the Iraq debacle.
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:39 pm | #

Herbie = Uber Troll

Herbie | 10.28.07 - 9:39 pm | #

FOREX is 2 times better than a Durex and 4 times better than a ONE-EX.

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:39 pm | #

Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:39 pm | #

hah! And it only takes ONE-EX to nearly ruin your FOREX :p
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:40 pm | #

It amazes me that the very people (liberals), that scream about free speech are the very ones that delete comments they don't like or they ban those they don't like.
Herbie | 10.28.07 - 9:39 pm
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I suggest you go learn something about the concept of Free Speech.
Abby | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:43 pm | #

True but you lose the moral argument if you are against the Iraq debacle.
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:39 pm | #

Who cares about moral argument. This war is a flop and Chimpo is to much of an ego to just admit that he let the PNAC clown him.

Instead of making corrections Chimpo would rather continue to act like a clown and look stupid for the history books.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 9:44 pm | #

Yes if my Durex was as large as my FOREX :p
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:37 pm
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Why would I be impressed about that?
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:45 pm | #

Interesting. Religion does keep the masses in check. For some though it gives hope which means a lot.
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:33 pm | #

Religion keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:46 pm | #

Religion keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:46 pm | #

But it allows the rich to murder the poor.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 9:47 pm | #

FOREX :p
Asylum | 10.28.07 - 9:40 pm
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There was another troll on here that kept using :p after all it's comments.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 9:50 pm | #

Herbie | 10.28.07 - 9:54 pm | #

The other thing that is great about liberal blogs is this: When a liberal realizes that they can't debate a point with you, then they call you a TROLL.
Herbie | 10.28.07 - 9:54 pm |

We only use that label for people that smell like a troll, walks like one, talks like one, and spells like one.
Anonymous | 10.28.07 - 9:56 pm | #

If humanity makes it that far into the future it will be interesting to see if the other primates invent religion and what it will look like.
Patriot Actor | 10.28.07 - 9:58 pm | #

"omitted or downplayed any mention that would give rise to questions about why bombing Iran might NOT be in the best interest of this country."

Sort of like how a lot of liberal networks omit or downplay anything positive about the Bush Administration, the economy, the war, etc.

A taste of your own medicine is hard to swallow isn't it?
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 10:20 pm | #

Sort of like how a lot of liberal networks omit or downplay anything positive about the Bush Administration, the economy, the war, etc.

A taste of your own medicine is hard to swallow isn't it?
Proud American

I didn't know there was something positive about the Bush administration except maybe they'll be gone in a year.
progressive pat | 10.28.07 - 10:27 pm | #

"Sort of like how a lot of liberal networks omit or downplay anything positive about the Bush Administration, the economy, the war, etc."

Enlighten me.
Circle Takes The Square | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 10:41 pm | #

The head of the UN nuclear watchdog group is worried about the nuclear rhetoric Bush&Co is drumming up against Iran.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21516968/

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john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 10:44 pm | #

Sort of like how a lot of liberal networks omit or downplay anything positive about the Bush Administration, the economy, the war, etc. Proud American | 10.28.07 - 10:20 pm | #

How would you like to be born only to find out that a President before you were born trashed your future because he wanted to suck up to the top 1 percent of the wealthiest people in the nation.

How would you like to be born only to find out you have to work all your life paying off a $4 trillion dollar bill for a war the wasn't even neccessary.

How would you like to be born and find out in the history books that the America the Founding Fathers created was trashed in favor of creating a dictatorship.

How would you like to be born only to find out that the air you breath the food you eat the water you drink is all crap because the President before you were born major sucked up to Corporations.

The list goes and Junior is the worst President in United States history along with his worthless loyal Bushies.
Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 10:58 pm | #

Free Speech | 10.28.07 - 10:58 pm | #

Hell, I can answer those questions for you. He doesn't care because he doesn't have any children and that's somebody else's problem. In other words, your typical compassionate conservative.
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:07 pm | #

In Naomi Klein's book, "The Shock Doctrine", the goal in Iraq was to create a shock to the people and install 'free market capitalism' while the Iraqis were in a shocked state. The real purpose oftorturing people had nothing to do with getting information, it is a tactic designed to terrorize the people into submission. It's message was, "resist us and yoou could be a torture victim along with those people we made examples of. Torture is an ineffective way to get reliable info according to most intelligence people but is a way to terrify the population into allowing a foreign nation to rape all the resources.
progressive pat | 10.28.07 - 11:07 pm | #

I would love to be born and fortunatley for me my mother and father are conservatives and are pro-life so I was born.

I love the fact that I was born and am able to enjoy the freedoms I have in America.

I love the fact that I was born and am able to pursue all the dreams I have.

I love that fact that I was born and have been witness to the the freedoms of the American people.

I love the fact that I was born and have been given every opportunity I could possibly dream of.

I love the fact that I was born and have been raised by such great intelligent parents.

I love the fact that I am not a liberal and even more importantly that I am a CONSERVATIVE/REPUBLICAN.
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:13 pm | #

Herbie is an example of someone who should be drafted into the US Army on the spot.
TR | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 11:14 pm | #

Thanks Bill C. again for a timely and accurate story of the malignant FOX network.
progressive pat | 10.28.07 - 11:16 pm | #

I love the fact that I was born and am able to enjoy the freedoms I have in America.

like the freedom to be safe and secure against unreasonable searches, like warrantless wiretaps and computer data searches? How about the freedom to travel to nations like Cuba if you want. Or the freedom of peaceful assembly without fear and intimidation by people gathering data on you? I guess you mean the freedom to choose consumer products to buy. People have been thrown out of the malignant dictator's rallies for wearing the wrong message on a shirt. Is this the freedom our malignant dictator seeks for others?
progressive pat | 10.28.07 - 11:21 pm | #

Herbie should be the point man in the search and destroy IED missions.
progressive pat | 10.28.07 - 11:22 pm | #

I guess you don't live in America. I am speaking about America.

I am talking about the freedom you have in America to talk freely on sites like this. Or the freedom you have to pursue happiness. Or the freedom that you all must love to abort a baby or choose to have it which conservatives love. The freedom of religion and to worship freely. Well except Christians these days. The freedom you have to choose where your child attends school. Wait, scratch that the democrats are fighting that.
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:25 pm | #

Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:25 pm | #

Are Mexico and Canada part of America?
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 11:28 pm | #

Part of North America
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:30 pm | #

"The freedom of religion and to worship freely. Well except Christians these days."

Oh no! Did the bad people put chains on the door of your church this morning.
Escape Goat | 10.28.07 - 11:31 pm | #

I love the fact that I was born and have been raised by such great intelligent parents.

Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:13 pm | #

Well, two out of three ain't bad.
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:31 pm | #

Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:13 pm | #

And the sick fuck loves the fact that GW has taken any chance those rights could be enjoyed by the people of Iraq

YOu are an ugly American on the level of Ralph
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 11:32 pm | #

Or the freedom that you all must love to abort a baby or choose to have it which conservatives love.

Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:25 pm
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Are you saying conservatives never get abortions?

If you are you are showing your ignorance big time.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 11:32 pm | #

Part of North America
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:30 pm | #

And those Countries South of North America?
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 11:32 pm | #

FrackC,

Was that suppose to be funny? You libs really need to figure out how to obtain a better sense of humor
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:33 pm | #

Are you saying conservatives never get abortions?

If you are you are showing your ignorance big time.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 11:32 pm | #

Are you kidding me? This dolt thinks conservative don't have premarital text. After all, it's contrary to what the bible teaches.
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:33 pm | #

Was that suppose to be funny? You libs really need to figure out how to obtain a better sense of humor
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:33 pm | #

Unfortunately for you, that's the sad truth.
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:34 pm | #

FrackC,

Was that suppose to be funny? You libs really need to figure out how to obtain a better sense of humor
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:33 pm | #

Yeah Frank why don't you turn on Dennis Miller hes a hoot (sarcasm)
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 11:34 pm | #

text = sex...before the typo police gets me
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:35 pm | #

Where do you obtain a sense of humor, at your local Walmart?
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:35 pm | #

The freedom you have to choose where your child attends school. Wait, scratch that the democrats are fighting that.
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:25 pm | #
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How are the Democrats fighting that?
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 11:37 pm | #

You become a conservative first, by doing so you will become happy. By being happy you will be able to relax and not take things so literally. By being able to relax you will be able to obtain humor and learn how to have a laugh from time to time.
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:38 pm | #

Where do you obtain a sense of humor, at your local Walmart?
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:35 pm | #

McDs

It comes with the value meal. Ask to super size it and you also get a free talking GW Airman (potato sack sold seporatly)
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 11:38 pm | #

text = sex...before the typo police gets me
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:35 pm |

Actually, I was thinking it was apropos the way it was (though I knew what you meant). Generally, I have found that cons don't read; probably because it leads to thinking. So, cons not having premarital text, as well as post-marital text is apropos.
radmod | 10.28.07 - 11:38 pm | #

John T,

I know there are conservatives that go through with abortions so no I am not saying that conservatives never choose abortion. Just speaking based on the stereotypical political stances of each party. Not every conservative is pro-life and not every liberal is pro-choice. I know that, don't worry John
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:39 pm | #

Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:38 pm |

I assume that was sarcasm and here I thought cons didn't have a sense of humor.
radmod | 10.28.07 - 11:40 pm | #

radmod | 10.28.07 - 11:38 pm | #

OK, I'll go with your explanation.
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:40 pm | #

You become a conservative first, by doing so you will become happy.
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Hell I'm not about to become a con. but I laugh at Bush and your party every day.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 11:40 pm | #

text = sex...before the typo police gets me
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:35 pm |
radmod | 10.28.07 - 11:38 pm | #

LOL!

I was thinking the same thing with the added fact. Text messeging is the closes thing some of these trolls will ever come in contact with a real woman.
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 11:41 pm | #

Did he just admit that his political stance is stereotypical?
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:41 pm | #

Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:39 pm

Then why in the hell did you state what you did?
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 11:42 pm | #

I was thinking the same thing with the added fact. Text messeging is the closes thing some of these trolls will ever come in contact with a real woman.
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 11:41 pm | #

We have a new winner!!
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:42 pm | #

John T,

the laughter that comes from you though is more of a defensive laugh. You know you are inferior to the conservatives in this world so you laugh it off for comfort reasons not because you think it is funny. Its ok John T. Now you can respond by listing the bad seeds that are conservative. Have at it. Let me guess you will say they are all bad or list the ones involved in sexual incidents.

FrankC,

I see you can't comprehend still. Fantastic.
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:45 pm | #

I see you can't comprehend still. Fantastic.
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:45 pm | #

You're right, I have trouble comprehending your inane ramblings.
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:47 pm | #

Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:45 pm | #

Dude your so clueless it is almost frighning. Start your journy to enlightment here.

www.hayhouse.com

Clearly you need this site.
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 11:48 pm | #

Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:45 pm

Why in the hell would I feel inferior to the likes of you?

That makes me laugh even harder.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 11:49 pm | #

"Then why in the hell did you state what you did?"

I could ask you and your derelict friends the same thing. However I already know the answer to why you all say what you say. With the exception of a few people on here. Who aren't on at the moment this site is only good for ripping on those you disagree with. Rarely do I find in intelligent comment posted on here. When I do the site is worth while and enjoyable. But since those that do say intelligent things from time to time are not online right now I must deal with the pawns of this site which are on and are responding to my posts. It is ok though. I enjoy this as well from time to time.
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:49 pm | #

So lets see: Bunker busting bombs ordered for B-2's, atomic bombs mistakenly flown across country, an atomic sub captain relieved of duty...Oh, and I almost forgot, the first Osprey's on a ship off the coast, ready to fly into Iran for the attack.
Mikee | 10.28.07 - 11:49 pm | #

But since those that do say intelligent things from time to time are not online right now ...
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:49 pm | #

Well, at least he's including himself, that's progress. With this dolt you have to measure progress in millimeters.
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:51 pm | #

Dude your so clueless it is almost frighning.
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 11:48 pm |

I guess libs having no sense of humor explains why, what, every single major comedy show and comedian is non-conservative, eh? Quite frankly, I can't name a single conservative funny-man (and, yes, whats his name who keeps getting booted on every show he's on just is not funny).
radmod | 10.28.07 - 11:51 pm | #

Mikee | 10.28.07 - 11:49 pm | #

And I bet that type of incompetence is humor to PA

just like the skit GW did about the Weapons of mass destructs he did. Yeah all the families of dead soldiers loved that bit
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 11:52 pm | #

WEll radmod at least you are talking about something you can't really be proven wrong on since your stance is based on opinion only.
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:53 pm | #

Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:49 pm

If you come on here and always make intelligent comments, why are all your post always deleted and you keep getting banned?
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 11:53 pm | #

john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 11:53 pm | #

Is that a rhetorical question?
:)
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 11:54 pm | #

I keep getting banned?

They are deleted but if you are too blind to figure out why than that is your fault. If they based the deletion of comments on how intelligent they were then you and Frank and Radmod and progressive pat would be non-existant on this site. you would all have to carry this type of thing on at your local starbucks if you want to be heard.
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:55 pm | #

It is not a question of belief or blind following. It is that some people understand what it takes to protect U.S. vital interests. Do you people really think that Bush enjoys war? Please... The United States is the strongest country in the world and there are things that must be done for it to stay that way. Would you people prefer Russia or China to take our place? I know - dumb question... You people just want to drink beer and smoke pot.
Darwin | 10.28.07 - 11:56 pm | #

Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:55 pm | #

Being called unintelligent from this dolt is a badge of honor.
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:56 pm | #

Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:55 pm | #

Creative insult.

Allight enouph of making this thread all about the spiritualy dead.

time to ingnore the dolt
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 11:57 pm | #

Rarely do I find in intelligent comment posted on here. When I do the site is worth while and enjoyable. But since those that do say intelligent things from time to time are not online right now I must deal with the pawns of this site which are on and are responding to my posts. It is ok though. I enjoy this as well from time to time.
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 11:49 pm | #
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I feel priveleged that you show up to class. Are you ready for a pop quiz?
Patriot Actor | 10.28.07 - 11:59 pm | #

theroachman | 10.28.07 - 11:57 pm | #

Agreed, relegating the dolt to the irrelevant file.
FrankC | 10.28.07 - 11:59 pm | #

Darwin | 10.28.07 - 11:56 pm | #

Good God we have more then are fare share of self important RWers preaching here today.

BTW I dont drink beer and you should smoke some pot might actaully help you start thinking
theroachman | 10.28.07 - 11:59 pm | #

Sort of like how a lot of liberal networks omit or downplay anything positive about the Bush Administration, the economy, the war, etc.

A taste of your own medicine is hard to swallow isn't it?
Proud American | 10.28.07 - 10:20 pm
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PA, that was your first post on here. What did it have to do with the topic?

All it was, was a post to cut down the liberals.

So get off your self righteous high horse.
john t | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 11:59 pm | #

Darwin | 10.28.07 - 11:56 pm | #

you might want to consult "the rise and fall of the great powers" by paul kennedy. every nation that has sought to project power in pursuit of the goal of global power has gone bankrupt in the process.
english teacher | 10.29.07 - 12:00 am | #

The United States is the strongest country in the world and there are things that must be done for it to stay that way.
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So give one good reason God should or does...bless America more?

?
Patriot Actor | 10.29.07 - 12:00 am | #

How many times do you say you all will ignore me but don't and possibly can't? It is a bit sad really.

The really sad thing though is that you think this site is going to convert people or change their views if they differ from that of your own. However, any person with a shread of intelligence can tell that this site is nothing more than an echo chamber of hatred that will never make a difference. I enjoy it though because of how absurd it is and has become over time. There a very few of you who keep this site somewhat reasonalbe. Hopefully they return soon so I can actually be challenged and read reasonable points of views from those I generally disagree with.
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:00 am | #

Dennis Miller is a Conservative
Darwin | 10.29.07 - 12:01 am | #

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.”
Margaret Mead quote

Something for the trolls to chew on.
theroachman | 10.29.07 - 12:02 am | #

Dennis Miller is a Conservative
Darwin | 10.29.07 - 12:01 am | #

I did not know that thank you.

Did you know he is not funny?
theroachman | 10.29.07 - 12:02 am | #

Proud, you sound like a pretty darn smart guy. At least you talk a good game.
Two words that describe why Americans are hated around the world?
One word why they are loved?

How smart are you?
Patriot Actor | 10.29.07 - 12:03 am | #

John T,

You silly person you. Part of the story mentioned how Fox Omits or downplays things that don't benefit its position and I simply pointed out that the liberal networks do the same thing. In my opinion of course. Not going to try to prove it to you because it would be a waste of time and get us nowhere. If you don't agree with it than it ain't right.
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:03 am | #

Yes the high and mighty (in his own mind) PA wants to make the thread about him. As usual.
john t | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:04 am | #

Liberal networks meaning everything not Fox. You do realize thats how Cults are ran right?
Escape Goat | 10.29.07 - 12:05 am | #

John T,

There you go pushing blame away from yourself and onto your target. That is a classic liberal for you. I cannot make it about me without the help of you and the other derelict pawns you associate with making it happen. When I type something you all focus on the fact that it was me or any other conservative that typed it. you don't care what is said in its core. You care about finding a way to insult the person it comes from since they aren't one of you all. That is great though I enjoy playing that game as well.
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:09 am | #

Two words that describe why Americans are hated around the world?
One word why they are loved?

How smart are you?
Patriot Actor | 10.29.07 - 12:10 am | #

I guess if I don't answer that question correctly than I am not smart. Didn't know that is how you judge the intelligence of somebody.
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:13 am | #

If I had to guess though I would say the two words why we are hated would be: Angry liberals.

The won word why we are loved would be: conservatives.
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:14 am | #

“Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.”

Plato
theroachman | 10.29.07 - 12:14 am | #

Patriot actor how do you make a liberal angry?

How smart are you?
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:15 am | #

theroachman,

That is a good quote for you to live by. You fit the second part quite well.
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:15 am | #

I guess if I don't answer that question correctly than I am not smart. Didn't know that is how you judge the intelligence of somebody.
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:13 am | #
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Don't worry...there are no wrong answers.
Patriot Actor | 10.29.07 - 12:15 am | #

"The virtuous man in content to dream what the wicked man really does"

- Plato
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:16 am | #

Didn't know that is how you judge the intelligence of somebody.
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:13 am
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Don't worry about it. I think it was meant as a rhetorical question.

Your intelligence, or rather the lack there of, is displayed all over this thread for everybody to see.
Anonymous | 10.29.07 - 12:17 am | #

The problem is the lack of intelligence of many of the people on here will make it hard for them to understand my intelligence.
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:19 am | #

If I had to guess though I would say the two words why we are hated would be: Angry liberals.

The won word why we are loved would be: conservatives.
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:14 am | #
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Well I see you actually did have to guess. You see Proud...it is called Empathy. The ability to stand in anothers shoes and see a different perspective.

A perfectly acceptable answer would also have been "I don't know".
Because....you don't.
Patriot Actor | 10.29.07 - 12:19 am | #

Here is part of what the head of the UN nuclear watchdog had to say. From my link at 10:44pm:

"We have information that there has been maybe some studies about possible weaponization," said Mohamed ElBaradei, who leads the International Atomic Energy Agency. "That's why we have said that we cannot give Iran a pass right now, because there is still a lot of question marks.

"But have we seen Iran having the nuclear material that can readily be used into a weapon? No. Have we seen an active weaponization program? No."

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john t | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:24 am | #

"The ability to stand in anothers shoes and see a different perspective" Don't try to tell me that you actually try to do such a thing.

Practice what you preach there Patriot Actor.

I come into a room knowing I will disagree with almost everybody in here. Generally I do, but occasionally I will give somebody the respect they deserve for making a logical and rational point to express their point of view on a particular topic. However, as I just stated it is only occasionally that I find somebody that makes logical and rational points on here. Tell me how often do you all go to a place where numerous people will disagree with you and try to see things from their perspective?

Also, in case you forgot this is political chat. Mine as well argue about religion. It is pointless to do if you are only doing so in an attempt to change the person's views.
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:24 am | #

“One who is too insistent on his own views, finds few to agree with him.”
Lao Tzu quote

john t | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:24 am | #

That matters little to RWers they want war cause in the past they have made lots of money of the blood of others. This time they will not be so lucky. Gas hits 100 a barrel this week if Fox News keeps War Pig stuff going.
theroachman | 10.29.07 - 12:27 am | #

For instance, today I was debating with a co-worker that is a liberal and we were discussing rich, middle class and poor people for some time. We disagreed at the onset of the convo, but by the end after we allowed each other to make our points and express why we feel such a way then we had a clear understanding of where each of us came from and why we choose each side. Why did that happen? Because, unlike this site, we gave and received mutual respect on our positions and didn't just assume that we were each wrong because he took a position that I differed from and vice versa. Try it sometime.
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:28 am | #

Do you practice taoism john t?
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:28 am | #

Proud. Two main words that describe why Americans are hated is 'Arrogance...and Ignorance.'

You would know that if you pretended to not be an American for a day.

A word that describes what people around the world love about America is 'diversity'. Of course America is a symbol that represents 'freedom, tolerance, opportunity and youthfulness' (representing new beginnings)

Hmmm all those words sound...um rather liberal!

Stand in the foreigners shoes.
Patriot Actor | 10.29.07 - 12:30 am | #

The war pig crazies are now driving us into a super catastrophe with Iran using the claim of a nuclear Iran cannot be allowed. Why? Any use nukes by Iran would immedietely be countered by both our and Israel's vast nuke arsenal, resulting in immediate vaporization of Iran. Provoking Iran into another unecessary war would have far greater consequences for the US and might draw all the world's powers into conflict. Maybe the nutcase rapture fanatics feel they will see Jesus sooner, but any serious scholars would call this policy insane.
progressive pat | 10.29.07 - 12:32 am | #

Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:28 am

If you knew how to read maybe you would realize theroachman made that quote. Then he was responding to a comment I made.

But you were to busy telling everyone what you and your co-workers were talking about. Like anyone really gives a shit.
john t | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:35 am | #

Stand in a conservatives shoes. There are lots of liberal words out there like communism and socialism as well. At least they have become liberal words thanks to the liberals of today.

Well as much fun as this has been I must get going. You all have a wonderful night/day and we shall continue at a later time. So make sure you have your notes prepared. If you want some good material talk about Christians, or rich people, or about those stupid pro-life people.

That should get you started. I look forward to hearing what you all have ready for the next time.

Have a good night.
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:36 am | #

“One who is too insistent on his own views, finds few to agree with him.”
Lao Tzu quote

john t | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:24 am | #

When it appears like that one would logically assume that you were the one that posted it. :)
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:37 am | #

Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:36 am

Yeah, you'd better get to work at your telemarketing job.
john t | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:38 am | #

But you were to busy telling everyone what you and your co-workers were talking about. Like anyone really gives a shit.
john t | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:35 am
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Ever the polite liberal eh john t. Won't even call a blatant lie, a lie to his face.

Does it even look like the Sean Hannity American could have a rational discussion with a liberal about anything?
Anonymous | 10.29.07 - 12:39 am | #

Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:37 am

Anybody with any sense would have looked at my post at that time.
john t | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:40 am | #

If keeping you and others safe is considered telemarketing then I guess it is telemarketing. Call it what you want as long as I keep my benefits.
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:42 am | #

Off topic. What is that puts Hannity counting down?
Count Istvan | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:42 am | #

boy talk about nine months of stupid.....

Bush wasn't your President when OBL and al Qaeda planned and trained for 9/11. Clinton was asleep at the wheel, too busy managing the poll numbers.

Clinton: A do-nothing on terror.

Eh?
Truth: The Anti-Newshound | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 5:45 pm | #

so bush was not inaugurated in Jan 201.......

haahaaaghahahhaahahhahahahaahha
gnusman53 | 10.29.07 - 12:43 am | #

No he was not inaugurated in Jan of 201 it was 2001 and what does that have to do with what Truth said. He didn't say that Clinton was president when 9/11 happened which seems to be how you were intepreting it. hahahahahahahahaha
Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:45 am | #

BILL | 10.28.07 - 9:30 pm | #

Biilloooooo is off his meds again
gnusman53 | 10.29.07 - 12:45 am | #

Stand in a conservatives shoes. - Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:36 am | #

Why would anyone do that? That would be like asking someone to become a zombie.

It does raise a philosophical question though. Like in the movie Shaun of the Dead. Even though your mom is a zombie is she still your mom?

Some might think she isn't your mom if she turns into a conservative given that Zombies and Conservatives are interchangeable and hard to tell apart.
Free Speech | 10.29.07 - 12:48 am | #

If keeping you and others safe...

Proud American | 10.29.07 - 12:42 am
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What a bunch of horseshit. I think I can keep myself a lot safer than you're sorry ass can.
john t | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:48 am | #

Proud still is ESL

Bush = Do nothing....

Clinton = Sending Tomahawks is a helluva lot more than the LoneStar wannabe ever did...
gnusman53 | 10.29.07 - 12:49 am | #

Proud American is a jackass.
Escape Goat | 10.29.07 - 12:49 am | #

Only way PA gets $5 an hour is if he is sleeping with the boss...or Ann Coultergeist...
gnusman53 | 10.29.07 - 12:51 am | #

PA .... really keeping almost 4,000 safe.....
gnusman53 | 10.29.07 - 12:53 am | #

gnusman53 | 10.29.07 - 12:51 am

No way, not for five dollars, not for fifty, not for five hundred.... but everybody does have a price.
TheReader | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:54 am | #

servicemen and women that is....
gnusman53 | 10.29.07 - 12:55 am | #

Poor Proudy thinks the Cowardly Rhinestone Cowboy keeps the country safe....

that is sad
gnusman53 | 10.29.07 - 12:58 am | #

I caught the end of Hannity's America and he said today was day 98. What was today day 98 of?
Count Istvan | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:59 am | #

Not to mention the sidekick...Dickless Deadeye
gnusman53 | 10.29.07 - 1:00 am | #

gnusman53 | 10.29.07 - 12:58 am

I think PA is a night watchman somewhere. And he's keeping the coutry safe. RIGHT!
john t | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 1:01 am | #

Of course I shouldn't have said "on the job". Just at the White House.
john t | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 1:06 am | #

day 98....

since his last bowel movement????
gnusman53 | 10.29.07 - 1:07 am | #

You know he works from Crawford. He said so himself. He do work.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 1:07 am | #

day 98....

since his last told the truth about anything????
gnusman53 | 10.29.07 - 1:08 am | #

You know he works from Crawford. He said so himself. He do work.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 1:07 am | #

but can he find it on a map?
gnusman53 | 10.29.07 - 1:09 am | #

I didn't know clearing brush was a Presidential job. Hell we pay his salary, he can come mow my grass.
john t | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 1:11 am | #

What was today day 98 of?
Count Istvan | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:59 am | #
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Since he wet his bed?

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 2:24 am | #

Bob Douglas | 10.29.07 - 2:34 am | #

THANKS THE READER FOR THE FOLLOWING:

One thing is certain. Bill Corcoran's erudite contributions bring out the trolls.
Maybe we could rate the NH articles simply by counting the number of trolls, and the number of troll posts. The ones with the most are the ones the RWF's most wish to suppress.
TheReader | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:47 am | #

BILL CORCORAN, author of this guest post.
BILL CORCORAN | 10.29.07 - 3:05 am | #

Came late to the party {long day}, but great post again, Bill.

I just gotta know . . . if Shrub actually does attack Iran, will belongsinanAsylum, Herbie the dumb Bug, Boob Douglas, Truthiness the Anti-thinker, cattleProd AmericaKKKan, and the rest of the assorted sockpuppets actually join into this war they so desperately want?

Somehow, I don't think so . . .

One other thing - the chickenwingnuts keep saying Iran will not be allowed to have nuclear weapons . . . um, we have them, lots of 'em . . . so what gives us the authority to decide who else can or can't have them?

Reminds me of the lines of Robert Frost:

"Having invented a new Holocaust,
And been the first with it to win a war,
How they make haste to cry with fingers crossed,
King's X-no fairs to use it any more!"
mj | 10.29.07 - 3:31 am | #

THANKS MJ FOR THE ABOVE.

I'm with you when it comes to nukes.
Where is it written than ONLY the United States and Israel are allowed to be armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons? Are WE and ISRAEL to be trusted? I don't think so. Look what we did by invading occupying Iraq.
And look what ISRAEL did to Lebaonon.

If the criteria for owning nukes is that the country that has them are peace lovers, the United States and Israel have failed miserably.

BILL CORCORAN, author of this guest blog.
BILL CORCORAN | 10.29.07 - 5:53 am | #

BREAKING NEWS OUT OF IRAQ

BAGHDAD - A suicide bomber on a bicycle blew himself up Monday among recruits gathered outside a police camp in Baqouba, northeast of Baghdad, killing at least 27 people and wounding 20, police and hospital officials said.

Maybe FOX and FRIENDS Monday morning can tell us how wonderful thing are over in IRAQ.

BILL CORCORAN
BILL CORCORAN | 10.29.07 - 5:58 am | #

One thing is certain. Bill Corcoran's erudite contributions bring out the trolls.
Maybe we could rate the NH articles simply by counting the number of trolls, and the number of troll posts. The ones with the most are the ones the RWF's most wish to suppress.
TheReader | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:47 am | #

For some reason, war veterans who are not still indoctrinated, makes chickenshit chickenhawks go nutso?

Only reason i can figure is this....

The RW ONLY honors vets who swallow the same load of bs they do.....

ie

GOP=politics over honor and country
woke | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 8:07 am | #

Furthermore, the fact that these deluded people actually believe that the man who ALLOWED 911 to occur, after taking a vacation for an entire month...after being potus about 6 months, who invaded and occupied the WRONG country, thereby INCREASING terrorists......

shows how pathetic they truly are....

ONLY thing i can figure is they really don't believe the bs they post

but are PAID to do so......

GOP=money over truth, honesty and the American way
woke | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 8:09 am | #

On Tuesday in Iraq's Anbar Province, where jihadi fighters once enjoyed sanctuary, Sunni Arabs turned out en masse to commemorate Sheikh Abdul Sattar Abu Risha, a leader suspected of having been killed for helping the US rout Al Qaeda from the province. He was hailed as a "martyr."

In Lebanon last month, the efforts of Al Qaeda-inspired guerrillas to take over a Palestinian refugee camp were crushed. And in his latest audiotape, Osama bin Laden adopted a rare contrite tone, admitting "mistakes" by some Al Qaeda militants in Iraq.

Across the Arab world, where Al Qaeda had sought to build influence and bases of operation on the back of widespread anger against the US over its war in Iraq and the broader war on terrorism, the movement is now showing signs that it is stalled, if not in retreat.

Experts say Al Qaeda's failures have largely come down to its brutal methods, which have turned off large numbers of Arabs. They say that Muslims from Iraq to Egypt may want their countries to adhere to strict Islamic law, but not at the price of suicide bombings.

This is not to say that the group is vanishing or unable to carry out attacks.

But even the US, which not long ago was warning that a withdrawal from Iraq could leave Al Qaeda with control of the Sunni-dominated Anbar Province from which to threaten US and regional interests, is now declaring the local movement a spent force.

"In Fallujah, Ramadi, and other parts of Anbar ... Al Qaeda simply is gone," the American ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker, told reporters in Baghdad on Thursday. In Baghdad, he said Al Qaeda is on the ropes "but still present … Sunni militias are increasingly going out of the militia business and coming over to say we want to hook up with the coalition and indeed with the government of Iraq."

The Brookings Institution's Iraq index, which monitors security indicators in the country, appears to back up Mr. Crocker's assessment. In its latest report, the index found that the flow of foreign fighters to Iraq has dropped from about 85 to about 50 over several recent months. US officials say the number of suicide bombings in Iraq has fallen from more than 60 in January to about 30 a month since July

Get with the program Bill, things are going well in Iraq the Surge is working. Bad news for a first rate Anti-American defeatist like you I'm sure.
Juan | 10.29.07 - 8:18 am | #

Get with the program Bill, things are going well in Iraq the Surge is working.
Juan | 10.29.07 - 8:18 am | #
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Right, the surge.

From your own cut & paste:

[q] Experts say Al Qaeda's failures have largely come down to its brutal methods, which have turned off large numbers of Arabs. They say that Muslims from Iraq to Egypt may want their countries to adhere to strict Islamic law, but not at the price of suicide bombings. [/q]

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 8:30 am | #

The new counterinsurgency approach - namely, to take territory from al Qaeda, hold it, secure it and empower tribal sheiks to work together and rebuild their communities - finally provides an effective "counteroffensive" to the chief tactics of al Qaeda militants and Shiite death squads.

America's enemies in Iraq, radical insurgents living and fighting among the general public, understand that they can't continue their fight without capitulation from ordinary Iraqis. Finally, after almost four years, the U.S. military understands this as well.

Whereas we used to emphasize overwhelming firepower (even when I was there in 2006), we now emphasize firepower as a last resort. Whereas we used to rush to the scene after the violence occurs, we're now there to repel it or deter it altogether.

This commitment - up and down the chain of command - has made a major impact on the tit-for-tat death toll that was threatening to tear the country apart. Sectarian violence has been severely curtailed.

Since last December, sectarian deaths throughout Iraq have dropped over 50 percent; overall attacks against civilians are down 50 percent. In Baghdad - the focal point of Petraeus' strategy - sectarian deaths are down almost 80 percent in 10 months and large al Qaeda-style truck and suicide bombings have dropped over 50 percent.

Moreover, ordinary Iraqis are providing far more tips and other information. We now get some 23,000 tips a month, four to five times the level of a year before. This measure - which directly correlates to the trust and support of the population - is promising.

These are significant and consequential numbers and indicate real successes in stomping out the civil war. But it's not just numbers that make the case that the civil war is ending. Look, too, at what the new strategy lets commanders do in their now-daily discussions with ordinary Iraqis.

Petraeus reports that foreign (non-Iraqi) recruits conduct over 80 percent of al Qaeda's attacks; and therefore, by refocusing local tribal leaders on this fact, American commanders are making a convincing argument to the sheiks: Why launch an indiscriminate reprisal against another sect, ratcheting up the level of violence, when you can simply tell us and Iraqi security forces where the foreign insurgents are and we'll go get them? The numbers say that's exactly what's happening.

A people drowning in sectarian violence and warped by perpetual vengeance aren't going to immediately engage in political reconciliation. Security improvements must first dampen the violence, lower tensions and restore humanity. This is exactly what Petraeus has done, and we have finally begun providing the tangible security improvements necessary for lasting political solutions at the local and national levels.

Although many hope to convince America otherwise, the Iraq war has fundamentally changed in '07. It's not a civil war anymore. It's the people of Iraq vs. al Qaeda and Iranian proxies, with the U.S.-led Coalition helping the Iraqi people swing their sword of sovereignty.

The truth shall set you free Bill. Maybe if you had ever served in the military you would not have such hatred of them.
Juan | 10.29.07 - 8:39 am | #

Don't forget to credit the author, Juan.

NY Post -> http://tinyurl.com/26f2qu
Pete Hegseth, a first lieutenant in the Army National Guard, is executive director of Vets for Freedom. He served in Iraq with the 101st Airborne Division from September '05 to July '06.
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Canadian Paul | 10.29.07 - 8:52 am | #

Juan | 10.29.07 - 8:39 am | #

Juan more time, WTF??? are you smoking?

LOL, LOL, LOL, your 'surge' will end in april, what happens then?

The Surge is NOT working, will never work, was not intended to work.

Gen. Betrayed-us is a tool and is buyin time for Chimpy to get out of office and the Gen. Betrayed-us will collect his pension. Game over, you lose sucka...
abie_normal | 10.29.07 - 9:35 am | #

Oh yeah, Iran is NOT a threat, except to bedwetting pussys in the Repunicon party of theives and criminals...
abie_normal | 10.29.07 - 9:37 am | #

The IAEA has stated that Iran is not seeking to developing nuclear. But, what the hell do they know about nuclear development.

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Canadian Paul | 10.29.07 - 9:46 am | #

Excellent report Bill!

Sorry for taking troll bait.
Patriot Actor | 10.29.07 - 9:52 am | #

Juan | 10.29.07 - 8:39 am | #

Hey Juan--I have a question for you: can you cite JUST ONE TIME in human history in which a conventional army defeated a HOMEGROWN guerrilla insurgency? Warning: do NOT cite that National Review article written in January 2005 by that perennial PFC (Privileged Fascist Chickenhawk) Rich Lowry. Try someone with a Pulitzer Prize or some other key journalism award to his or her credit.

Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock, hmmmm, I'm waiting........
Ricsan | 10.29.07 - 10:34 am | #

Someone posted yesterday Iran is at least 12 months away for getting a reactor from Russia.
TR | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 10:39 am | #

AQ was never as big a player as they were made out to be. Iran is freinds with Maliki, our biggest ally in Iraq, why would Iran want to upset that? They have the bull by the horns already.
Russ | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 10:41 am | #

THANKS PATRIOT ACTOR FOR THIS:

Excellent report Bill!

Sorry for taking troll bait.
Patriot Actor | 10.29.07 - 9:52 am | #
BILL CORCORAN | 10.29.07 - 11:54 am | #

THIS IS HOW FOX NEWS HOPES TO GET US INTO WAR WITH IRAN:

U.S. Military: Iranian-Made Rockets Hit Base Near Baghdad

http://www.foxnews.com/story/ 0,2...,305686,00.html

Rockets fired at a U.S. base southeast of Baghdad were manufactured in Iran, showing again that country’s continued logistical support for insurgents inside Iraq, U.S. military officials said on Saturday.

Comment: Far be it from me to say the U.S.military is lying, but is there any independent reporting showing they were actually Iranian rockets?

Remember Abu Ghraib. The U.S. military tried a giant cover-up of that scandal.

FOX NEWS HAS TAKEN THIS STORY AND RUN WITH IT NIGHT AND DAY ON THEIR TV SHOWS. FOX NEWS DOES NOTHING WITHOUT THE TACIT APPROVAL OF THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE.

The Bush administration wants any excuse at all to go to war with IRAN without consulting Congress or the UN.

BILL CORCORAN, author of this guest blog.
BILL CORCORAN | 10.29.07 - 12:06 pm | #

Still so few comprehend that being against al-Q and pro-America is NOT the same thing.
Graham Chapman | 10.29.07 - 12:48 pm | #

Iran has just released documents which prove the United States is helping "terrorists." This just came out on MONDAY.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/ 20071...n_usa_turkey_dc
BILL CORCORAN | 10.29.07 - 4:31 pm | #

Iran has just released documents which prove the United States is helping "terrorists." This just came out on MONDAY.
BILL CORCORAN | 10.29.07 - 4:31 pm | #
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Sadly, this comes as no surprise to me.

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 4:59 pm | #

I normally don't bother answering trolls who cut and paste Republican "talking points," but JUAN needs to have his ears pinned back.

He claim the surge is working, but he failed to mention how the General was wounded yesterday while riding in a Humvee and the only protection he had came from a PRIVATE security firm, not the U.S. military.

JUAN also failed to mention 27 Iraqi recruits were killed Monday when a suicide bomber wheeled up on bicycle and blew himself up.

JUAN also failed to mention 20 decpatitaed bodies were found in Baghad Monday, the seat of where the "surge" is supposed to be working like a charm.

And finally JUAN posed this question to me:

"The truth shall set you free Bill. Maybe if you had ever served in the military you would not have such hatred of them."
Juan | 10.29.07 - 8:39 am | #

JUAN it may interst you to know I did serve in the military. I was a combat engineer in the U.S. Army during the Korean War. What about you? Have you been in the military and what branch?

Last week I scared off KRE, who claimed he was in the military, when I asked him some basic questions that anyone who ever served in the military should know. He "cut and ran" because he couldn't answer even one question that any recruit would be able to answer after just ONE WEEK in the military.

It is always fun to trip up someone who pretends they were in the military. It is like taking candy from a baby.

SO JUAN. WHAT BRANCH OF THE SERVICE WERE YOU IN? WHAT WAS YOUR RANK? WHAT WAS YOUR MOS?

AND FINALLY, JUAN, WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN THEY TIE A TOWEL TO THE END OF YOUR BUNK WHEN YOU ARE GOING THROUGH BASIC OR BOOT?

BILL CORCORAN, author of this guest blog.
BILL CORCORAN | 10.30.07 - 1:09 am | #

kre is still looking up the word LIBEL, BILL C......

and this new liar is hilarious.......

"petraeus reported".....
"it's al queda

"....tho only 7% of insurgents are foreign....

what a SHMOE

we are all waiting for your mos, dos, locations and units juan

here's mine....

3rd SPS, Bien Hoa, III Corps......69-70
USAF(68-72)
woke | Homepage | 10.30.07 - 9:05 am | #

THANKS WOKE FOR THIS:

kre is still looking up the word LIBEL, BILL C......

and this new liar is hilarious.......

"petraeus reported".....
"it's al queda

"....tho only 7% of insurgents are foreign....

what a SHMOE

we are all waiting for your mos, dos, locations and units juan

here's mine....

3rd SPS, Bien Hoa, III Corps......69-70
USAF(68-72)
woke | Homepage | 10.30.07 - 9:05 am | #

I got a feeling we will be waiting a long, long time for Juan or kre to respond.

As former military, you know what a joke that was when kre said he would bring me up on charges. What charges?

Thanks for your service, WOKE. As I mentioned, I was an E-4 in the Army Combat Engineers.
BILL CORCORAN | 10.30.07 - 2:44 pm | #

You are a credit to this blog BILL CORCORAN

the degree of pomposity and smear leveled against you is commensurate with the value and truth of your topics

hence the trolley chickenhawks necessity to attack you baselessly

if only they knew....anything about honor

but they don't and it is evident
woke | Homepage | 10.30.07 - 6:51 pm | #

THANKS WOKE. I'M SPEECHLESS.

Your friend and fellow veteran.

Bill

You are a credit to this blog BILL CORCORAN

the degree of pomposity and smear leveled against you is commensurate with the value and truth of your topics

hence the trolley chickenhawks necessity to attack you baselessly

if only they knew....anything about honor

but they don't and it is evident
woke | Homepage | 10.30.07 - 6:51 pm | #
BILL CORCORAN | 10.30.07 - 7:11 pm | #

The Is Out There.
http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/...1639/ index.html
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