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But they did good coverage of Mr.Whipple,comeplete with the squeezable soft roll.Comprehensive coverage of the issues of our times.
notveryhow | 11.20.07 - 8:29 am | #

The way Fox play with facts is much like the kid when asked how did you do on your report card leads off with I got a A in gym but forgets to say anything about the D in math. Then again the cast of characters on Fox and Friends are nothing more than bratty kids in suits.
Switchblade | 11.20.07 - 8:38 am | #

Obama is on the rise, people don't trust Hillary and the poll #'s are starting to show it.

Don't waste your time and money on Hillary. Lets all get behind Obama, he is the better candidate and the only candidate that can beat the GOP.
Go Obama Go | 11.20.07 - 8:54 am | #

What Florida poll?
The one from April? June?

Miami Herald has nothing on any poll, except the old ones.
goofticket | 11.20.07 - 9:07 am | #

But...

But...

But...

They had Alan Alda on for 2 segments. T^hat should count for something.

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 9:15 am | #

Once again, a clear and compelling reminder that, as Indecision 2008 approacheth, "eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."

(As in the likelihood of weird and/or unwholesome operatives with known or otherwise conscious connexions to the Pseudoreligiopolitical Right seeking to interfere, on "patriotic" grounds, with voter-registration drives targeting National Minorities and the Lower Classes generally.)

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the daily phosdex | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 9:16 am | #

Statistically, considering the 4.5 point margin of error, the IA race is a three way tie. While it may not fit in eith FOX's game plan to smear Clinton at every turn, that's the true story.
FinalFurlong | 11.20.07 - 9:28 am | #

Of course the only thing they really got excited about were the Democratic poll numbers. The repubic poll numbers are nothing to get excited about. The faux & fiends wouldn't want to expose that fact to their sheep, now would they?

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YLA | 11.20.07 - 9:32 am | #

If the "Republicans" and "Fox News" say Hillary is the one they can beat how is touting Obama's rise to #1 in Iowa good news for Fox and Republicans.

You people cant even be consistent in your own logic.
USA | 11.20.07 - 9:11 am |

The logic and rationale' is quite consistent..in both cases they don't want Hillary to win, so touting Obama, by default, is making sure Hillary doesn't win the primaries or the nomination
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 9:34 am | #

"Don't waste your time and money on Hillary. Lets all get behind Obama, he is the better candidate and the only candidate that can beat the GOP."
Go Obama Go | 11.20.07 - 8:54 am | #

OK, I see your point. Like millions of Americans, mainly because of her husband's pushing and signing of NAFTA, I'm no fan of Hillary Clinton. The question is: What are his poll numbers in Southern states? You DO realize Obama is going to have to win a few Southern states in order to win the White House, do you not?
Ricsan | 11.20.07 - 9:37 am | #

The logic and rationale' is quite consistent..in both cases they don't want Hillary to win, so touting Obama, by default, is making sure Hillary doesn't win the primaries or the nomination
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 9:34 am | #

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Exactly Ken. You said it much better than I did.

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YLA | 11.20.07 - 9:39 am | #

YLA thank you, but your response sufficed als0
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 9:39 am | #

Ricsan | 11.20.07 - 9:37 am

The democratic candidate will need to take every state that Kerry took in addition to Ohio. Virginia is starting to trend blue as well as some western states with large Hispanic populations who won't be voting republican. A Florida pick up would be nice. If the democrats can hold what they have and gain a couple more, the electoral clout of the Old Confederacy is old school.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 9:40 am | #

claudo that sounds about right...I totally agree
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 9:42 am | #

"Friends" also threw in a little "green" segment just to show they "care".
Budreaux | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 9:44 am | #

Gretchen was showing quite a bit of thigh today. Hope she quells after the show cuz those Fox bedbugs might have made that couch a little funky.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 9:46 am | #

Doesn't really matter who you Democrats run. All of them are going to be beatable in a general election.
General Horatio Fat Cat | 11.20.07 - 9:48 am | #

General Horatio Fat Cat | 11.20.07 - 9:48 am

You obviously aren't familiar with the polls. Even Fox's Opinion Dynamics show Hillary ahead of Giuliani - who might not be the candidate.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 9:50 am | #

"we need another Rudy puff piece"-John Moody memo
jr | 11.20.07 - 9:56 am | #

Nah, Allen was done in by his own stupidity, but that's typical for Republicans.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 9:57 am | #

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Stupidity is an equal opportunity trait among our politicians crossing the isle at will.
USA | 11.20.07 - 10:00 am | #

"If the democrats can hold what they have and gain a couple more, the electoral clout of the Old Confederacy is old school."
claudo | 11.20.07 - 9:40 am | #

Yes, you have a point claudo. Keep this in mind: no Republican candidate has won the White House without the Buckeye State (Ohio).
Ricsan | 11.20.07 - 10:00 am | #

C'mon Frank. It's not the fault of the racist caught on video, it's the fault of the people who aired it.
The Party of Personal (non)Responsibility strikes again.
Foggg | 11.20.07 - 10:00 am | #

What Fox doesn't seem to be addressing (while MSNBC and CNN are) is the rising candidacy of Mike Huckabee who is polling well in Iowa and who might throw this whole primary thing into a tailspin. What Fox doesn't seem to be addressing is the notion that the first two primaries are a "catapult" and if Rudy doesn't win these two contests (and he's not polling well) he won't have much momentum. Huckabee could very well take the southern delegates while the rest would be divided between Romney and Rudy. This could actually be decided at the convention. But Fox doesn't like to show a fractured GOP so you won't hear much about this. BTW, while Fox is doing missing white women and coked out Hollywood "starlets," MSNBC is doing politics all day. You'd think that Huckabee would be popular on Fox; but Fox's family values are subordinate to a Rudy presidency.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:00 am | #

Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 9:58 am | #

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Ahhh...I love the smell of civility in the morning.
USA | 11.20.07 - 10:01 am | #

Ahhh...I love the smell of civility in the morning.
USA | 11.20.07 - 10:01 am |

Savor it while you can....
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 10:02 am | #

Don't know if Meet the Press does repeats; but last Sunday's hour "round table" was an excellent analyses of all the different possibilities for the primaries. I even enjoyed NRO's Byran Yorke's take.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:02 am | #

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Fox covers Huckabee as much as they cover Dodd or Biden.
USA | 11.20.07 - 10:03 am | #

Yeah, and Huckabee has Chuck Norris behind him!!
Budreaux | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 10:03 am | #

claudo I know they have a transcript( I read it) and I think they have a video..MSNBC.com
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 10:04 am | #

Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 10:02 am | #

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Hmmmm....I was thinking the very same thing.
USA | 11.20.07 - 10:04 am | #

USA | 11.20.07 - 10:03 am

But Biden and Dodd do not present the same kind of dynamic that Huckabee does at present. He is polling a strong second in Iowa. It should be interesting as the Norquist types hate him; but the religious right are embracing him.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:07 am | #

Patriot Actor | 11.20.07 - 10:05 am | #

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As a conservative and "Fox Watcher" among all the other networks, I would actually consider voting for Biden and Hillary if Hillary wasn't prone to her socialist tendencies.
USA | 11.20.07 - 10:07 am | #

claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:07 am | #

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Good point but I don't think fox is taking that into consideration.
USA | 11.20.07 - 10:09 am | #

USA | 11.20.07 - 10:07 am

What you see as "socialist," many others see as progressive and necessary. Why is socialism considered such an evil menace - guess now that Communism is old school....And Biden shares many of Hillary's "socialistic" views. He will most likely be the Secretary of State in a Clinton administration and that's cool because he has lots of experience. He needs to keep his mouth shut while he's hitting the sauce, though.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:10 am | #

USA | 11.20.07 - 10:07 am | #
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Some socialist...tendencies....can actually improve the health of the nation. Believe it or not.
Patriot Actor | 11.20.07 - 10:11 am | #

I was actually shocked to see Steve Douchey interviewing Alan Alda this morning!
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:12 am | #

Er...that is if you are interested in improving the health of the nation.

An uneducated, unenlightened and unhealthy population is much easier to Govern. They bank on that .)
Patriot Actor | 11.20.07 - 10:13 am | #

George Will has an interesting view:

An Obama victory in Iowa might be initially injurious to Romney, but beneficial to him four days later in New Hampshire. If Romney, who leads in Iowa, wins there and Obama beats Clinton, the latter story will overshadow the former. But an Obama win in Iowa would radically raise the stakes of the Democrats' New Hampshire primary. Independents there can vote in either party's primary. In 2000, they flooded into the Republican contest, dooming Bill Bradley's challenge to Al Gore and propelling John McCain to victory over George W. Bush, who won the Republican portion of that primary. If this time independents are drawn to the Democratic primary, that will hurt not just McCain but also Giuliani, whose strength with independents supports his claim of superior electability.

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=c...clnk&cd=1& gl=us

Thus, an Obama win in Iowa could impact the republican New Hampshire primary due to the independents who might vote in the democratic primary.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:16 am | #

If these so-called conservative are really against socialism, why haven't they squaked about all the corporate welfare Bush has handed out in the last seven years?
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 10:17 am | #

I was actually shocked to see Steve Douchey interviewing Alan Alda this morning!
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:12 am |

Would have been neat to see "Trapper John" Wayne Rogers, who does the Weekend Fox Business, and Mike "BJ Hunnicut"Farrell , a staunch Liberal..and have them all duke it out
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 10:19 am | #

Fox certainly doesn't demonstrate any political savvy. There have been many cases where a black person will poll very well and on the day of an election loose. It's that change of mind in the last second.

I'm not saying that will be the case in this incident. We'll just have to wait and see.
Free Speech | 11.20.07 - 10:19 am | #

Douchey interviewing Alda??? Lesseee, did it go something like...
"Alan Alda, you are famous for vividly playing a antiwar character in MASH. Now, why did Hawkeye Pierce hate America?"
Foggg | 11.20.07 - 10:20 am | #

Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 10:19 am

Ohmagawd, Fox's Wayne Rogers was Trapper John!!!!
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:20 am | #

Stupidity is an equal opportunity trait among our politicians crossing the isle at will.
USA | 11.20.07 - 10:00 am | #

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I agree.

And good morning.

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YLA | 11.20.07 - 10:20 am | #

USA | 11.20.07 - 10:00 am

True that.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:21 am | #

If these so-called conservative are really against socialism, why haven't they squaked about all the corporate welfare Bush has handed out in the last seven years?
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 10:17 am | #

They don't squak because corporations are conservatives masters and conservatives don't bite the hand that feeds them. They will support Corporatism which is very close to fascism the two are almost interchangeable.
Free Speech | 11.20.07 - 10:22 am | #

FrankC | 11.20.07 - 10:17 am | #

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I abhor "corporate welfare".
USA | 11.20.07 - 10:23 am | #

I abhor "corporate welfare".
USA | 11.20.07 - 10:23 am | #

Well, that's a step in the right direction.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 10:24 am | #

Free Speech | 11.20.07 - 10:22 am | #

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Not true, I lived and operated my business in NY but the Clinton/Schumer socialist ways have made it almost imposable for many small business to operate in NY
USA | 11.20.07 - 10:25 am | #

"An uneducated, unenlightened and unhealthy population is much easier to Govern. They bank on that .)"
Patriot Actor | 11.20.07 - 10:13 am | #

That's the exact opposite of what Tony Fenn (a senior Parliament official) said in that Michael Moore masterpiece "Sicko", which came out on DVD on November 6: "An educated populace is much more difficult to control".
Ricsan | 11.20.07 - 10:26 am | #

Another interesting GOP candidate is Ron Paul who might do very well with independents in the primary. That could also alter the composition of delegates. Fox doesn't say much about him.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:26 am | #

USA | 11.20.07 - 10:25 am

How so?
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:27 am | #

claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:27 am | #

Taxes and Workers Compensation.

Plain and Simple.
USA | 11.20.07 - 10:28 am | #

Thats right claudo, maybe someone should tap F&F on the shoulder and tell them whats happening to GOP in NH.
Muddog | 11.20.07 - 10:28 am | #

Blaming politicians for a failed business is a cop out. I thought the Republicans were the party of personal responsibility.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 10:28 am | #

Blaming politicians for a failed business is a cop out. I thought the Republicans were the party of personal responsibility.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 10:28 am | #

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Who said anything about "failure"?
USA | 11.20.07 - 10:30 am | #

Muddog | 11.20.07 - 10:28 am

Sununu is very vulnerable. Virginia will be replaceing a republican Warner with a democratic Warner. Udall will be a very strong candidate in New Mexico. Franken could beat Coleman. Things don't really look good for the GOP in 2008; but you won't hear that on Fox.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:31 am | #

Ricsan | 11.20.07 - 10:26 am | #
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Exact opposite or exact same thing oppositely speaking Sir Ricsan?

Cheers! :)
Patriot Actor | 11.20.07 - 10:31 am | #

Thompson and Rudy are dropping in NH. I suspect the more Fox points and says "look over here" it means we should really look in the opposite direction.
Muddog | 11.20.07 - 10:32 am | #

Muddog | 11.20.07 - 10:32 am

Grandpa Fred is sinking like a stone.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:33 am | #

claudo yes..I heard something last night on TV regarding Coleman and Franken giving Coleman a run for his money. I don't follow Minnesota so I don't know either way
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 10:33 am | #

And blaming Shumer/Clinton for taxes and worker's compensation is disingenuous. Prior to this year New York had a Republican Governor, a Republican Senate and a Democratic Assembly for the last 12 years. And NYC has had a Republican Mayor for at least that long....But of course, it's always Shumer's and Clinton's fault to the partisan hacks.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 10:36 am | #

http://www.crooksandliars.com/20...n-of-democracy/
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I believe the quote you mentioned is in this clip Ricsan.
Patriot Actor | 11.20.07 - 10:37 am | #

FrankC | 11.20.07 - 10:36 am

When you can't blame Canada....!!!
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:37 am | #

Taxes And Worker Comp. Plain and Simple.
USA | 11.20.07 - 10:28am

NY state corporate taxes rank 23rd out of 50. So most of the US is apparently of Clinton/Schumer "socialist" persuasion.
Foggg | 11.20.07 - 10:38 am | #

That's 23rd lowest.
Foggg | 11.20.07 - 10:39 am | #

Fox and Friends is a weird show. When they're not being partisan, they can actually be amusing - in a sophmoric, chatty kind of way. But when they politicial, they get really nasty. ED Hill was better than Gretchen as she has a little more "edge". Gretchen is just too cutesy and under the cutesy, I suspect, is something rather nasty.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:40 am | #

Gretchen loved the creationist Ken Ham. I'll never forget that interview.
Foggg | 11.20.07 - 10:41 am | #

Things don't really look good for the GOP in 2008; but you won't hear that on Fox.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:31 am | #

Why do you think Bush wanted to rig the 2008 election by planting loyal bushies in the DOJ?

Bush is afraid that if the People elect for a change that would send the message they had enough of Bush and Bush goes into the dustbin.

Bush wants the changing of the guards to continue with his policies thus giving him some legitimacy.

The People want change and the Republicans know they cannot give the People the change they want.
Free Speech | 11.20.07 - 10:42 am | #

Foggg | 11.20.07 - 10:41 am

Jesus, the woman is a Stanford grad. I mean how stupid...
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:42 am | #

Gretchen was showing quite a bit of thigh today. Hope she quells after the show cuz those Fox bedbugs might have made that couch a little funky.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 9:46 am | #
888 888 888 888 888 888 888 888 888

How do you think she got the job, jouranlistic integrity?
Can of Whoop Ass | 11.20.07 - 10:43 am | #

Jesus, the woman is a Stanford grad. I mean how stupid...
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:42 am | #

What's your point? Bush is a Yale and Harvard grad.

(snark)
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 10:44 am | #

FrankC | 11.20.07 - 10:44 am

Yup, you're right. Just goes to show ya...
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:45 am | #

Can of Whoop Ass | 11.20.07 - 10:43 am

Is that Fox couch a "casting couch?"
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:46 am | #

Is that Fox couch a "casting couch?"
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:46 am | #

A graduate of that couch knows the meaning of whatever it takes.
Free Speech | 11.20.07 - 10:47 am | #

Robert Livingstone, you wouldn't be THAT Bob Livingstone, who was "planted" as Speaker of the House when your "youthful indescretion" was revealed, to try and get Clinton to resign like you were about to do...that wouldn't be you would it?
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 10:50 am | #

Fascism is all about loyalty to the state.
Robert Livingstone | 11.20.07 - 10:47 am | #
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Don't poke your finger putting on your lapel pin today!
Patriot Actor | 11.20.07 - 10:53 am | #

Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 10:50 am

Another "family values" republican.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 10:57 am | #

Yes Mr. Livingstone we know you hate liberals, the hate mail section is a thriving business.
Muddog | 11.20.07 - 10:58 am | #

I guess none of you have ever bothered to look up the definition of fascism before.
Robert Livingstone | 11.20.07 - 10:47 am | #

The following is a C&P from wiki. Look at the last word:

Benito Mussolini claimed to have founded fascism, and Italian fascism (in Italian, fascismo) was the authoritarian political movement that ruled Italy from 1922 to 1943 under Mussolini's leadership. Fascism in Italy combined elements of corporatism...
Free Speech | 11.20.07 - 10:58 am | #

Gretchen is just trying to save her job. She better show some leg!!
Budreaux | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 10:59 am | #

Oh what will you and the DemonNUTTS say now? Thank you NYT's for giving the '08 election's to the Republican's. You have shown the AMERICAN HATING PARTY for what they are, TRAITOR'S!
luvNYT's | 11.20.07 - 11:00 am | #

awwww...knock it off Hannity
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 11:02 am | #

luvNYT's | 11.20.07 - 11:00 am

Ah, the sweet smell of rabid troll playing the "American hater" card. Must be tough living in 29% lunatic fringe land where loving America and troops is wanting them to die or get their faces and limbs blown off and return to the good ole USA to live under an overpass.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 11:03 am | #

Dont hold back, luNYT's, tell us what you REALLY think.
Muddog | 11.20.07 - 11:03 am | #

What's it like to be a LOSER in your propaganda war against the TROOPS? luvNYT's | 11.20.07 - 11:00 am | #

The troops didn't start the illegal war Bush did. The troops are only following orders. The troops are not allowed to think.

Quit whoring out the troops to prop up the serial liar Bush.
Free Speech | 11.20.07 - 11:03 am | #

"Prior to this year New York had a Republican Governor, a Republican Senate and a Democratic Assembly for the last 12 years. And NYC has had a Republican Mayor for at least that long....But of course, it's always Shumer's and Clinton's fault to the partisan hacks."
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 10:36 am | #

Right on, FrankC. Keep in mind: while Giuliani was mayor of NYC, he ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY SATURATED Wall Strret firms with huge tax breaks. Guess who usually pays for those tax breaks in the end?
Ricsan | 11.20.07 - 11:04 am | #

luvNYT's | 11.20.07 - 11:00 am | #

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Yes, you love the NYTs. That is until they tell the truth about your hero chimpy again. Then you'll go back to hating them and calling them communists and TRAITORS!!!

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YLA | 11.20.07 - 11:05 am | #

Dont hold back, luNYT's, tell us what you REALLY think.
Muddog | 11.20.07 - 11:03 am | #

Better yet, HOW ABOUT GETTING OFF YOUR BIG FAT BUTT RIGHT THIS INSTANT AND ENLISTING??
Ricsan | 11.20.07 - 11:07 am | #

Ricsan | 11.20.07 - 11:04 am | #

oops, I meant to say "Wall Street".
Ricsan | 11.20.07 - 11:09 am | #

Whoops, Hillary has already lost Florida:

Florida 2008 Presidential Election
In Match-ups with Clinton, Florida Voters Now Tilt Toward GOP

Monday, November 19, 2007

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of the presidential race in Florida shows former Big Apple Mayor Rudy Giuliani with a modest lead over Senator Hillary Clinton of 46% to 41%. Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney leads the former First Lady 46% to 39%. Former Tennessee Senator Fred Thompson has a nine point edge 47% to 38% while Arizona Senator John McCain leads by ten, 48% to 38%

These numbers flip the scenario Rasmussen Reports witnessed in an August poll of the race in Florida. Then, Clinton enjoyed a five-point edge on Giuliani and double-digit leads over Thompson, McCain, and Romney. Another change: today a lot more voters prefer a third option and express support for Some Other Candidate.
Ace | 11.20.07 - 11:10 am | #

Patriot Actor | 11.20.07 - 10:37 am | #

As usual, you're absolutely spot on, Patriot Actor. I apologize for misspelling that former Parliament official's surname in my 10:26 AM post.
Ricsan | 11.20.07 - 11:12 am | #

Ace | 11.20.07 - 11:10 am

Don't need Florida as I explained earlier on the thread. Clinton is still polling ahead of Rudy in Ohio and that's a key state where people ain't too pleased about their economic situation. And this time, the voting booths will not be suspect as Ohio has a democratic governor.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 11:13 am | #

And a third party (which the American mullahs are mulling) would be great for the democrats.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 11:14 am | #

claudo,

IMO, the elephant(no pun intended)in the room is Ron Paul . He could really do some damage to the Repugs if he runs on a third party ticket .
jlstexas | 11.20.07 - 11:18 am | #

Yup, Florida's icing of the cake.
2008 will demonstrate GOP = POC, Party o'the Old Confederacy.
Foggg | 11.20.07 - 11:18 am | #

Thanks Ricsan. I had to double check on myself there. Senility can creep in at any age. Younger Fox viewers are a testament to that!
Patriot Actor | 11.20.07 - 11:20 am | #

IMO, the elephant(no pun intended)in the room is Ron Paul . He could really do some damage to the Repugs if he runs on a third party ticket .
jlstexas | 11.20.07 - 11:18 am | #

There might be another elephant in the room, although he's constantly been evasive, don't discount Michael Bloomberg running, but if he does, he'll siphon votes from the Democratic candidate too.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 11:31 am | #

FrankC | 11.20.07 - 11:31 am | #

Absolutely right. Considering the dearth of strong traditional candidates, by that I mean a standard issue white guy for the Dems and a front runner palatable to the social conservatives in the GOP, Bloomberg will soon realize he'll never have a better shot.
FinalFurlong | 11.20.07 - 12:00 pm | #

NY state corporate taxes rank 23rd out of 50. So most of the US is apparently of Clinton/Schumer "socialist" persuasion.
Foggg | 11.20.07 - 10:38 am | #

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Funny..you completely ignore the workers compensation issue and small s-corps are murdered by the current NY taxes. I'm not talking about the IBMs' and Wal-Marts'.
USA | 11.20.07 - 12:28 pm | #

Funny..you completely ignore the workers compensation issue and small s-corps are murdered by the current NY taxes.

USA | 11.20.07 - 12:28 pm | #

And yet you blame Clinton and Shumer and not Pataki and Bruno. We have a title for guys like you. Partisan hack.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 12:36 pm | #

I know its off topic, but what exactly did Clinton and Schumer do to NY workers comp?
Muddog | 11.20.07 - 12:45 pm | #

Obviously you don't know how far Clinton and Schumer have stuck their fingers into NYS Workers compensation.

I used Shumer and Clinton to point out the Democrat philosophy as well.
USA | 11.20.07 - 12:40 pm | #

Translation: I'm just a partisan hack and if I'm going to use guesswork to get a shot at Clinton and Shumer I will. Meanwhile Pataki and Bruno get a free pass.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 12:47 pm | #

I know its off topic, but what exactly did Clinton and Schumer do to NY workers comp?
Muddog | 11.20.07 - 12:45 pm | #

Good question, I'm sure we're going get another evasive answer.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 12:48 pm | #

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Clinton threated NY legislators that if they did not up the requirements for business who hire "labor" construction/farming that she would cut off the federal money for many of the small business loan programs for farmers and housing construction.

Even Michal Moore riped Hillary on this.
USA | 11.20.07 - 12:58 pm | #

GIULIANI BEATING CLINTON IN FLORIDA POLL MATCHUP
http://www.foxnews.com/story/ 0,2...,312270,00.html

Now Hillary is losing to Giuliani in Fla. I've been telling everyone that our only hope of getting the White House is Obama or Edwards so quit supporting Hillary and lets unite behind Obama or Edwards. If we had a Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama ticket then we can win the White House.
Go Obama Go | 11.20.07 - 12:58 pm | #

I blame Pataki as well.
USA | 11.20.07 - 12:59 pm | #

OK, GOG, done.

I won't be voting for Hillary.

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Canadian Paul | 11.20.07 - 1:00 pm | #

Go Obama Go | 11.20.07 - 12:58 pm

WOW!!! They polled 625 people.
john t | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 1:03 pm | #

Even Michal Moore riped Hillary on this.
USA | 11.20.07 - 12:58 pm | #

And the shot you took at Shumer was purely piling on, eh? Even if what you say about Hillary is true, and I'm not convinced, small business taxation and workman's comp are MAINLY the domain of the State which has been dominated by the Republicans for the last 12 years, yet you overlooked that and took a shot at Clinton and Shumer. That makes you a partisan hack, no matter what you say about Pataki after the fact.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 1:09 pm | #

Go Obama Go | 11.20.07 - 12:58 pm

Are you really that dumb that you think you're going to change people's mind with your fake Democratic impersonation?
john t | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 1:09 pm | #

There are two polls you should NEVER, NEVER trust. The first is the FOX OINION DYNAMICS POLL. It is run by Fox News and they ONLY call Republicans who are home during the day while Democrats are out earning a living.

The second is the RASMUSSEN POLL. This poll is run by a group of REPUBLICANS who are hired to do polling for the RNC and variuous Republican candidates.
BILL CORCORAN | 11.20.07 - 1:10 pm | #

The second is the RASMUSSEN POLL. This poll is run by a group of REPUBLICANS who are hired to do polling for the RNC and variuous Republican candidates.
BILL CORCORAN | 11.20.07 - 1:10 pm | #

You're absolutely right. Bush's approval rating always registers higher in the Rasmussen poll, I wonder why?
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 1:12 pm | #

Go Obama Go | 11.20.07 - 12:58 pm
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Are we having the election right now or do we have a few more steps to go thru yet?
Muddog | 11.20.07 - 1:14 pm | #

FRANK C. Have you ever seen any of the RASMUSSEN'S on Fox News. They bring them on to represent the Republican point of view.
BILL CORCORAN | 11.20.07 - 1:15 pm | #

BILL CORCORAN | 11.20.07 - 1:15 pm | #

Rasmussen was also the troll 2008's favorite poll, that speaks volumes.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 1:17 pm | #

Clinton threated NY legislators that if they did not up the requirements for business who hire "labor" construction/farming that she would cut off the federal money for many of the small business loan programs for farmers and housing construction.
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and the requirements were for improved workers comp? I dont see a problem so far.
Muddog | 11.20.07 - 1:26 pm | #

Rasmussen poll says 37% of people think NPR reports news without bias... followed closely by FOX news as the #2 unbiased news channel.

hahahahahahaha!!! Now I KNOW Rasmussen is full of **it.
Mondo | 11.20.07 - 1:27 pm | #

Construction and farming probably have the highest compensation claims so maybe the requirements needed to be "upped". If you're not in that business it doesnt affect you.
Muddog | 11.20.07 - 1:29 pm | #

Hillary SUCKS!!!!

OBAMA '08!!!!!!!!!!
youngliberal | 11.20.07 - 1:33 pm | #

small s-corps are murdered by the current NY taxes. I'm not talking about the IBMs' and Wal-Marts'.
USA | 11.20.07 - 12:28 pm

Sure. That's why s-corps in NY pay a lower rate than ordinary NY corporate - which is in turn 23rd lowest in the country according to the conservative Public Policy Institute of NY.
Wingnut truthiness found to be utter bullshit again.

I didn't mention NY workers comp but I expect it will likely be found comparable to many other states in this evil "Clinton/Schumer socialist country".
Wingnuts simply hate to meet their social responsibilities and dream of their libertarian paradise of serfs.
Bring back child labor, I say!
Foggg | 11.20.07 - 1:33 pm | #

Fox News "fair and balanced" my ass. They are so effing biased it seeps out of their noses. Every anchor person, except a select few, "tee hee ha ha" mock, patronize, ridicule and are sanctimonious toward practically every Democrat, starting with that stupid wiseass Threesome Fox and Friends...and carrys over through out the day.
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 1:35 pm | #

I have nothing bad to say about Obama. If Obama wins - whoever wins the Democratic nomination, I'm behind him/her all the way.

But seriously, between the Black guy with two years experience
and the only team to win back-to-back presidential campaigns since FDR,
(the team that beat war hero Bush and war hero Dole),

...who do you think the super-racist GOP wants to run against?
Bugs | 11.20.07 - 1:52 pm | #

FrankC,
Your name-calling is getting annoying, not to mention making you look like -- to use your term -- a partisan hack.
Personally, I also think linking Clinton and Schumer to state taxation problems is a tough argument to make.
However, your repetitive insults aren't real helpful to the discussion.
Steve | 11.20.07 - 1:55 pm | #

Namecalling? What is this? Grammer school? People get fired up and passionate about what they are discussing, and if they use "colorful" language, so be it. Both sides use it, some to instigate, others to retaliate. As long as George Carlin's"Seven Bad Words you can't say on TV" aren't over used, stop patronizing.
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 1:58 pm | #

Steve | 11.20.07 - 1:55 pm | #

Gee Steve, you seem a little too oversensitive there, please don't start crying on me. How is calling a partisan hack an insult if that's what he is?
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 1:59 pm | #

Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 1:58 pm | #

I honestly don't think labeling someone a partisan hack when he exhibits all the symptoms of one is an insult. I guess some people have a hard time handling the truth.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 2:01 pm | #

Wow, this site is infested with trolls. I think you guys should check out the movie Outfoxed. I think you can watch it for free on line. It will give you just a little insight as to how Fox is run. Also, a really good site to see how polling is going, is a sight called Polling Point.
Chrispy | 11.20.07 - 2:01 pm | #

FrankC I was going to recommend the Bill Gaither website..they may even have Sing a Long ..lol
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 2:03 pm | #

Well its too bad we couldnt continue the Clinton-NY workers comp discussion because it sounded like she wanted to improve the working environments which would reduce claims, and then reduce premiums, and save money all arounded. It was interesting while it lasted.
Muddog | 11.20.07 - 2:05 pm | #

FrankC,
Why is the term needed in order for you to make your argument? Granted, it's not the worst thing you can call someone.
You're right. I am sensitive to name-calling. I also think it's more effective as well as convincing to rebut someone's point with facts and let them speak for themselves.
Steve | 11.20.07 - 2:08 pm | #

Steve, we are certainly capable of responding like you "suggested" and most of us do. The point was made, however, of the passion of the discussion and some of us tend to get fired up and use such language or comments. The difference is: we don't have to do that but sometimes do, while the other side typically use it to rile up, instigate and patronize to garner a reaction...
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 2:11 pm | #

Steve | 11.20.07 - 2:08 pm | #

The term is not needed, but if it accurately describes the person then it's not an insult. Why is it so hard for you to understand? And why focus on me when actual insults have been used throughout this thread? Is it something personal?
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 2:12 pm | #

WOW!!! They polled 625 people.
john t | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 1:03 pm | #

You never took a stats class huh? Oh, I forget you didn't go to college.
Anonymous | 11.20.07 - 2:14 pm | #

I also don't mean to single you out. Your posts just happened to be among the most recent. Believe me, I realize the trolls that visit here are UNBELIEVEABLY worse.
Call me naive, but I would hope that we can win by engaging them in civil debate.
Steve | 11.20.07 - 2:15 pm | #

You never took a stats class huh? Oh, I forget you didn't go to college.
Anonymous | 11.20.07 - 2:14 pm | #
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I did. You usually need a sample size of around 1000. Its more representative.
Muddog | 11.20.07 - 2:15 pm | #

This made me curious. Has anybody seen a poll of New York? I'm betting Rudy is nowhere near the lead there. Unlike the rest of the country they actually know Rudy Giuliani. New Yorkers don't like him and upstate republicans don't like anybody from the city.
Jack | 11.20.07 - 2:14 pm | #

As a New Yorker I agree with you 100%. Giuliani is just another attention whore. And to think, I once voted for the guy.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 2:18 pm | #

Muddog is correct..I heard or read that somewhere too about at least 1000 polled for more accuracy
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 2:19 pm | #

Muddog | 11.20.07 - 2:15 pm

And it also depends upon the population sampled...

...peace rally vs country club or NASCAR event, etc....

hasta la victoria siempre!
Hayduke | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 2:20 pm | #

I thought wingnuts didn't care about public opinion polls - at least that's what Shooter Cheney said.

Oh, wait, I get it . . . they care when they can use them to smear a Democrat . . .
mj | 11.20.07 - 2:20 pm | #

FrankC and Ken,
Gotta go -- thanks for responding. For what it's worth, I have taken on a few wingnuts myself and hopefully carried the banner well.
Keep up the good work!
Steve | 11.20.07 - 2:20 pm | #

Go Obama Go | 11.20.07 - 12:58 pm
Are you really that dumb that you think you're going to change people's mind with your fake Democratic impersonation?
john t | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 1:09 pm

Are you that stupid to think that Hillary has a chance? She has scandal after scandal after scandal. Have you forgotten about the Rose Law Firm, Whitewater and Vince Foster? What kind of commercials do you think the Republikan Smear Machine is going to come out with on that? And then think what they can come out with against on Obama? Not much on Obama. Whose side are you on anyway?
Go Obama Go | 11.20.07 - 2:22 pm | #

True, Hayduke. I believe most polling firms ask some questions of their respondents to determine their appropriateness to the survey.
Muddog | 11.20.07 - 2:22 pm | #

Muddog | 11.20.07 - 2:22 pm

True. While others unethically will purposefully cherry pick their sample populations to provide the desired results...

...hence the wide disparity among polls....

hasta la victoria siempre!
Hayduke | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 2:28 pm | #

And then think what they can come out with against on Obama? Not much on Obama.
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Sounds like someone is on a little fishing expedition.
stcroix | 11.20.07 - 2:32 pm | #

Funny all those scandals after scandals after scandals blah blah blah blah blah blah didn't keep her from being elected senator.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 2:34 pm

Being elected Senator vs. President is totally different. Especially since she ran for Senator in NY.
Go Obama Go | 11.20.07 - 2:43 pm | #

It is interesting that Fox Rebublican Political Channel talks about the Democatic candidates at all...besides bashing them that is.

One wonders what percentage of their audience would vote Democratic?
Zero?
Patriot Actor | 11.20.07 - 10:05 am |

I think the goal is to keep their republican audiance from crossing over.
Switchblade | 11.20.07 - 2:44 pm | #

Faux Noise...

...keep your eyes on the shiney bauble...

...you are getting sleepy...

...s...l...e...e...p...y...

...you can no longer lift your eyelids nor think for yourself...

...now, when I snap my finger....

hasta la victoria siempre!
Hayduke | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 2:53 pm | #

FrankC

those 'scandals" that the repugs squandered their majority investigating and got ZERO indictments

hillary WILL be the next potus

it's time for a woman to be president.....OVER 50% of the population

obama brings up some good points....edwards too.....

this is true democracy,....discussing various points of view and including them in the platform....

unlike the yessuh repugs that all line up behind their failed neocon political ideology....and won't budge or open their umbrella or minds....

get ready for it.

clinton and clark

you heard it here first
woke | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 2:55 pm | #

Hayduke | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 2:53 pm
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Are you sure they really NEED to do that to their viewers?
stcroix | 11.20.07 - 2:56 pm | #

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children.
Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises the knife, and charges at you. You are carrying a Glock cal 40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What Do you Do?"

Throw the Glock away because it's foreign made and I'm for America first. Then run like hell
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 2:58 pm | #

ooops sorry wrong thread
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 2:59 pm | #

woke exactly my friend....the Jim Jones Republicans..

never admit they're wrong about any issue...

Think they're way is the only correct way of thinking..

and never discuss rationally or objectively without lashing out, namecalling, being obnoxious and patronizing.....that's them all right

off topic, but woke, FrankC, Muddog, claudo, all the NewsHound ladies..a very Happy Thanksgiving...

..ahh..what the hell...You too RightWing/ Republicans
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 2:59 pm | #

Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 2:59 pm | #

Same to you Ken, and to your family as well.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 3:00 pm | #

Much thanks Ken
Muddog | 11.20.07 - 3:01 pm | #

Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 2:59 pm

Thanks, Ken. Have a good one.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 3:04 pm | #

Would have been neat to see "Trapper John" Wayne Rogers, who does the Weekend Fox Business, and Mike "BJ Hunnicut"Farrell , a staunch Liberal..and have them all duke it out
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 10:19 am | #

Wayne would wipe the floor with Farrell. I saw Farrell a couple of weeks ago in an interview discussing capital punishment. He sounded and looked pathetic. Trapper was always tons funnier than BJ anyway.
The Real Jack Bauer | 11.20.07 - 3:05 pm | #

BOOOOOOOOO Hillary Clinton!

HOOORAAAAAYYY Obamba!!!
youngliberal | 11.20.07 - 3:15 pm | #

Real Jack, I certainly agree about Trapper John being funnier than BJ..Wayne Rogers and Alan Alda had a terrific combination( I know there's a better word for that) and Alan wasn't as loud or over the top like he was when Trapper/Wayne left.
Regarding the debate with Farrell and Wayne and Alda, I don't know how it would turn out

claudo, FrankC, Muddog..thank you too
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 3:18 pm | #

---I posted this on the other thread also. I have to do this now as there is no internet where I'm going---
Sorry for the Off-topic, but I am leaving shortly for our annual trek to the NORTHWOODS (imagine the irony) for the Thanksgiving Holiday. (no internet!)
I just wanted to wish ALL here a Great Thanksgiving. I, personally have much to be thankful for this year, and I am truly grateful to all the NH who all made my convalescence much more bearable.
Happy Thanksgiving!
MLP | 11.20.07 - 3:20 pm | #

MLP you too...have a terrific time and enjoy
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 3:21 pm | #

woke, most of the time I agree with you but tody, I must respectfully disagree. I think that Hillary is just too divisive for the country. I prefer Obama or Edwards or Richardson because of this. I agree with almost everything else you write here but this is my one time disagreement.
progressive pat | 11.20.07 - 3:49 pm | #

progressive pat | 11.20.07 - 3:49 pm |

same here , Sen. Clinton will not get my vote in the primary .
She sounds like "dubya" lite on certain issues.
jlstexas | 11.20.07 - 3:55 pm | #

jlstexas, I really think Bill Clinton did progressives a major disservice when he through himself into the DLC ring. I really don't trust Hillary's labor positions nor her NAFTA free trade positions . I don't think she has clarified her policies for Iraq and Iran to the point where I can trust her.
progressive pat | 11.20.07 - 4:10 pm | #

I'm watching MSNBC and they are talking about the poll #'s in Iowa and they are saying this is not good news for Hillary.

My boy Obama is picking up steam. Look out.
Go Obamo Go | 11.20.07 - 4:23 pm | #

Hillary has MY VOTE . .

I don't care what she has to say to get elected!!

With Hillary you get a TWOFER . . We get BILL BACK!!

And don't think he's gonna be hosting any W.H. tea parties. He's running her campaign and she relies on HIS wisdom and experience; and as even republicans admit, he's BRILLIANT!!
Liz PbD | 11.20.07 - 4:27 pm | #

With Hillary you get a TWOFER . . We get BILL BACK!!

That is exactly why Hillary will never get elected! Bill never carried a majority of the popular vote. Without Perot, he'd still be the governor of Arkansas. With Bill, Hillary carries a lot of baggage. Why any woman would consider to vote her just because he is a woman is beyond me. If she had left Bill, I could see it. Most of America sees Hillary for the political operative she really is.
The Real Jack Bauer | 11.20.07 - 4:53 pm | #

I have to admit that the U.S. could really use Bill Clinton's foreign policy wizardry. Getting the rest of the World to come back to the table would be a crucial first step in correcting Bush's foreign policy fuck ups.
Escape Goat: Hero | 11.20.07 - 4:55 pm | #

Escape Goat: Hero | 11.20.07 - 4:55 pm | #

Yes - we need to go back to the heady days of the Oil for Food program and when terrorists did not fear bombing embassies or our ships.
The Real Jack Bauer | 11.20.07 - 5:01 pm | #

Real Jack, the terrorists don't give a shit either way..that's why they're terrorists. If terrorism was such a big deal back during Clinton, why didn't the Republican Congress, since 1995, believe or make terrorism a huge issue? Clinton enacted an Anti Terrorism bill in 1996..the key word in there being "terrorism"
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 5:04 pm | #

The Real Jack Bauer | 11.20.07 - 4:53 pm

Reads like you're going to vote for Rudy. He left 2 wives. You're kind of person huh?
john t | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 5:05 pm | #

Real Jack that may be true about Perot and the popular vote. Being consistent, however, I'm certain you'll agree if the recount continued in Florida, Gore could very have been President and not Governor Lucky Last Name
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 5:06 pm | #

The Real Jack Bauer | 11.20.07 - 4:53 pm

and if it wasn't for Nader..Chimpy would still be a drunken little cokehead in Texas
dog | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 5:07 pm | #

Obama, ....Mr. Obama ....is, however, someone who keeps insisting that he can transcend the partisanship of our times — and in this case, that turned him into a sucker.

I think that summed it up nicely.
TJM | 11.20.07 - 5:11 pm | #

I'd like to point out that Foreign policy means everyone. Not just terists. When you have everyone at the same table, it's a lot easier to share intel about them terists.
Escape Goat: Hero | 11.20.07 - 5:19 pm | #

And don't think he's gonna be hosting any W.H. tea parties.
Liz PbD | 11.20.07 - 4:27 pm | #
More likely Bill will be hosting W.H. Rainbow parties.
charger | 11.20.07 - 5:23 pm | #

Are you that stupid to think that Hillary has a chance? She has scandal after scandal after scandal. Have you forgotten about the Rose Law Firm, Whitewater and Vince Foster?
Go Obama Go | 11.20.07 - 2:22 pm | #

Funny all those scandals after scandals after scandals blah blah blah blah blah blah didn't keep her from being elected senator.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 2:34 pm |
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Also funny that all those scandals after scandals after scandals blah blah blah all turned out to be absolutely nothing . . . except, of course, to Rush Limpballs and his loyal followers like GOG . . .
mj | 11.20.07 - 5:33 pm | #

You know the Repubs are scared shitless of Clinton when they pretend to be Obama supporters.
Escape Goat: Hero | 11.20.07 - 5:36 pm | #

That is exactly why Hillary will never get elected! Bill never carried a majority of the popular vote. Without Perot, he'd still be the governor of Arkansas..
The Fake Jack Bauer | 11.20.07 - 4:53 pm |
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Funny, I don't recall Perot running in '96 . . . And how'd Clinton/Gore fare against Dull/Unkempt?
mj | 11.20.07 - 5:38 pm | #

mj,
actually Perot did run in 96 and received around 10% of the vote I think .
jlstexas | 11.20.07 - 5:42 pm | #

Yes - we need to go back to the heady days of the Oil for Food program and when terrorists did not fear bombing embassies or our ships.
The Fake Jack Bauer | 11.20.07 - 5:01 pm |

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My sentiments exactly. We need to go back to the days when programs such as OfF kept Saddam in check and didn't result in an invasion with nearly 4000 American lives lost in the name of "regime change," and the days when terrorists were caught, convicted and jailed {WTC I} rather than continuing to look for them 6+ years after the fact . . .
mj | 11.20.07 - 5:43 pm | #

The Real Jack Bauer | 11.20.07 - 5:01 pm | #

Well, at least Clinton didn't unite the ENTIRE ARAB WORLD against us like G.W. Bush has done by attacking a weak, oil-rich nation (Iraq).
Ricsan | 11.20.07 - 5:46 pm | #

mj,
actually Perot did run in 96 and received around 10% of the vote I think .
jlstexas | 11.20.07 - 5:42 pm |

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Actually, he got 8.4 % . . .

My point was, Fake Jack seems to think Clinton never won the popular vote, that he has Pee-row to thank for winning both elections . . .

That may have been true to a degree in '92, but in '96

- Clinton won 379 electoral votes to Dole's 159
- Clinton won 47 million-plus votes to Dole's 39 million
- Clinton carried 31 states {plus DC} to Dole's 19

Pee-row had NO electoral votes and carried NO states . . . so if Fake Jack thinks Clinton owes Perot for his win in '96, I have some swampland in AZ for sale . . .
mj | 11.20.07 - 5:53 pm | #

Pee-row had NO electoral votes and carried NO states . . . so if Fake Jack thinks Clinton owes Perot for his win in '96, I have some swampland in AZ for sale . . .
mj | 11.20.07 - 5:53 pm |

Exactly correct my friend...well done
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 5:56 pm | #

Maybe, in a way, Gore could thank Harris indirectly..the horrific tragedy of Sept 11th, 2001, is forever on George Walker Bush's administration and conscience...
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 6:00 pm | #

the Fox and Friends anchors remind me of a stereotypical cast. The nerd who is not smart (Dussy sp?), the Idiot athlete (Brian) and the Ditsy Cheerleader (whatever her name is).

www.hyerstandard.com
Matthew Elias | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 6:03 pm | #

Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 6:00 pm | #

While it is true that 9-11 happend on Junior's watch the idiot boy attacked a nation that had zip to do with 9-11.

Bush will forever known by this:

If Bush had been President when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor he would have attacked Mexico in retaliation.
Free Speech | 11.20.07 - 6:03 pm | #

Doesn't really matter who you Democrats run. All of them are going to be beatable in a general election.
General Horatio Fat Cat | 11.20.07 - 9:48 am | #

Ah, hope spring eternal. But that's all they got, hope.

Wasn't George Allen supposed to be the next Republican Presidential candidate? Where is he now?
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 9:51 am |
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Not only that, whatever happened to Hollywood Fred? The wingnuts trumpeted him as the Next Great Hope too, when he first came out.

But I guess having only four people {who had to be paid} show up for your first fundraiser in Utah and skipping a televised GOP debate {that garnered high ratings} put sort o a damper on that . . .
mj | 11.20.07 - 6:05 pm | #

If Bush had been President when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor he would have attacked Mexico in retaliation.
Free Speech | 11.20.07 - 6:03 pm

Free completely agreed...I usually say Switzerland but why split hairs lol...
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 6:06 pm | #

Matthew Elias | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 6:03 pm | #

The Lewis Black clip on your blog is hilarious.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 6:07 pm | #

But I guess having only four people {who had to be paid} show up for your first fundraiser in Utah and skipping a televised GOP debate {that garnered high ratings} put sort o a damper on that . . .
mj | 11.20.07 - 6:05 pm

Speaking of Utah and Mormons like Romney, we don't want him because I think he might ask the Osmond brothers to be in his Cabinet.....
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 6:08 pm | #

get ready for it.

clinton and clark

you heard it here first
woke | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 2:55 pm

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Clinton is not my first choice, but I fully agree with you that she will be the next POTUS, and Clark is very obviously already on the short list for Veep. In the primaries I'm for Obama, but I won't be angry voting for Clinton, and I'm fully behind Clark.
Wonko the Sane | 11.20.07 - 6:10 pm | #

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Me...ry-Graphic.wmv/

More fair and balanced, honest and accutate reporting from FOXnews.
Rory Og O' Moore | 11.20.07 - 6:13 pm | #

Dubya did benefit by having the one state to be recounted, Florida, with his only other brother in politics, as Governor, and Katherine Harris, the only begotten bitch of the Bushes, to "conveniently" stop the recount, where it's been documented where Gore would have had several recounts in his favor, even though the margin would have been less than 534 Bush had
Ken | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 5:58 pm | #
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I recently read "Deadlock; The Inside Story of America's Closest Election" by the Political Staff of The Washington Post. It's an interesting look into the backroom machinations during the Florida recount, as well as what motivated those who appealed to the Florida Supreme Court and the SCOTUS. There was a lot that I didn't know and you might enjoy the read.

With all my love,
Aunty Em
Aunty Em Ericann | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 6:16 pm | #

I abhor "corporate welfare".
USSR | 11.20.07 - 10:23 am |

. . . yet you don't believe your business should have to pay taxes or workmen's comp . . .

As a conservative and "Fox Watcher" among all the other networks, I would actually consider voting for Biden and Hillary if Hillary wasn't prone to her socialist tendencies.
USA | 11.20.07 - 10:07 am |

The US Military.
Public Education.
Postal Service.

All three of the above entities are government-run - and have been since their inception. So if you're worried about "socialist tendencies," you're a day late and a dollar short . . .
mj | 11.20.07 - 6:18 pm | #

Mai cunt-tree 'tis of thee, sweet land 'o liberty.....clinton ain't gonna be the next president. Ya'll are nuts, 'cause she aint nuthin but a dirty whore.

Vote yer conscience.
Vote yer patriotisism.
Vote like Jesus did.

Vote REPUBLICAN
West Virginia Bob | 11.20.07 - 6:20 pm | #

get ready for it.

clinton and clark

you heard it here first
woke | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 2:55 pm

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Personally, I'm hoping for a Clinton/Obama ticket . . . for one reason only: the moment such an announcement is made, the Faux sNooze channel HQ will spontaneously self-detonate . . .
mj | 11.20.07 - 6:22 pm | #

but dont vote fer that ron paul nut. Guys fuckin' nuttier than a long-tailed cat inna room fulla rockin' chairs.
West Virginia Bob | 11.20.07 - 6:24 pm | #

The US Military.
Public Education.
Postal Service.

All three of the above entities are government-run - and have been since their inception. So if you're worried about "socialist tendencies," you're a day late and a dollar short . . .
mj | 11.20.07 - 6:18 pm | #

You forgot Fox News.
Wisdo | 11.20.07 - 6:25 pm | #

The US Military.
Public Education.
Postal Service.
...and fox news
Wisdo | 11.20.07 - 6:31 pm | #

It gonna be Obama vs. Guliani. And the white boy is gonna win.Merica ain't ready fo no black president.
Tyrone Washington Jefferson IV | 11.20.07 - 6:31 pm | #

"....clinton ain't gonna be the next president. Ya'll are nuts, 'cause she aint nuthin but a dirty whore."

"Vote like Jesus did."

-West Virginia Bob |11.20.07 - 6:20 pm
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It was my understanding that Jesus had a thing for whores.

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Gooch_X | 11.20.07 - 6:34 pm | #

West Virginia Bob | 11.20.07 - 6:24 pm | #
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In your opinion, does America have a higher number of stupid people than the average third world country?

Or are they just more visible?
Patriot Actor | 11.20.07 - 6:35 pm | #

It's been brought to my attention that West Virginia Bob is using sarcasm.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 6:37 pm | #

The Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 6:38 pm | #

Thank you for enlisting.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 6:40 pm | #

-Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 6:38 pm |
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It's great that less people are dying from the US occupation of Iraq. But I wouldn't declare "mission accomplished" just yet.

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Gooch_X | 11.20.07 - 6:45 pm | #

The Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 6:38 pm

Remind us of how the Iraqi (remember "purple fingers") politicial situation is going. Be sure to note the infrastructure problems especially with regards to oil legislation. Any insight into the Kurdish issue would be helpful. Think you can handle that. Oh, and while we're at it, how bout all those Iraq vets sleeping out in the cold?
claudo | 11.20.07 - 6:45 pm | #

The Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 6:47 pm

We are not amused.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 6:48 pm | #

"I retired as a Lt Col."
The Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 6:47 pm
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And now you're an "Uber-Troll". Life is funny.

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Gooch_X | 11.20.07 - 6:50 pm | #

Typical stupid liberal trying to salvage his poor judgment on the war that is now starting to turn around...
The Real Über-Troll | 11

Yeah sure it is idiot. How about you go there and let us know how wonderful it's going.
Anonymous | 11.20.07 - 6:59 pm | #

The Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 6:52 pm

Typical right wing ideologue who dismisses the domestic cost of the war. Hey, it's not your limbs and face that have been blown off - or your sanity. And typical right wing ideologue who denies the political problems with our puppet government. But hey, being in the lunatic fringe is a nice warm, wide stance position.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 6:59 pm | #

I SERVED WITH GENERAL JOHN "FIGHTIN' MAD" WAYNE FIGHTING PIRANHAS ON THE APACHE TRAIL!
Escape Goat: Hero | 11.20.07 - 7:02 pm | #

Typical stupid liberal trying to salvage his poor judgment on the war that is now starting to turn around...
The Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 6:52 pm

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Just under 4000 dead Americans...

Countless billions of dollars....

the legacy of the USA....

Stability in the ME and rest of the world

Security of the US....

all gone to hell for this war venture that never needed to occur, yet 4 1/2 years later, "the war is starting to turn around"....

gonna take much more than a bottle of carnuba and a soft cloth to put a shine on that turd.....
Wonko the Sane | 11.20.07 - 7:10 pm | #

If you give Uber Troll the time he will tell you how he fought the whole Vietnam War by himself at 32,000 feet.

When he first started coming on he said he was a pilot. Then that changed to navigator.

And he will tell every other Vietnam Vet on here that they are liars and fakes.

His real name is Mike Thayer.
john t | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 7:13 pm | #

john t | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 7:13 pm

Whoever he is, he brings nothing to the table but cheap and vulgar insults - but that's how "family values" trolls debate. If he's not paid to troll, he has some serious issues.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 7:17 pm | #

"You are without a doubt the stupidest cretin that ever slithered onto this site."

I rest my case.
claudo | 11.20.07 - 7:18 pm | #

Big mouth Rambo types like Uber-troll received many a blanket party when I was in because they ended up ruining everything for everybody.
Escape Goat: Hero | 11.20.07 - 7:21 pm | #

PPS I don't knock Vietnam vets unless they are drugged-up fools like "woke." People like him were a hazard to his fellow soldiers.
The Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 7:17 pm

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well we can agree on something....I don't think badly of vets, but I do think badly of blowhards who try to use their veteran status to gain some cred. when all they are really doing is supporting anti-American policies brought forth by criminals with no motivation other than greed.

You, regardless of you rank or job in the military or status as a vet are a threat to this country and I don't have a shred of respect for you or your service.
Wonko the Sane | 11.20.07 - 7:21 pm | #

I retired as a Lt Col.
Real Über-Stupid | 11.20.07 - 6:47 pm | #

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Blackwater would love an angry, hate-filled troll like you in one of their Iraq units. Call Blackwater right now!

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YLA | 11.20.07 - 7:24 pm | #

Even Blackwater wouldn't want people like that.
Escape Goat: Hero | 11.20.07 - 7:25 pm | #

You are without a doubt the stupidest cretin that ever slithered onto this site.

The Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 7:17 pm | #

This from the moron who insisted Mutual Funds are not investments.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 7:32 pm | #

The Real Über-Stupid | 11.20.07 - 7:35 pm | #

It's documented, Uber-Stupid.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 7:38 pm | #

For all the regulars on here you probably remember GGG Grandmother that used to post on here, who has since died.

Uber, when he was going under SickoSpin told her in the OffTopic that her Vietnam disabled vet grandson was lying about his disabilities.
john t | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 7:41 pm | #

You are using the liberal tactic of repeating a slogan over and over again because you know the brain-dead liberals here will believe you.
The Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 7:41 pm

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someone should inform Hannity and Limbaugh right away that repeating lies until they are believed is a liberal tactic...they'll want to stay clear of it in the future.
Wonko the Sane | 11.20.07 - 7:46 pm | #

Everyone will see that I was mocking someone else's statement that Mutual Funds are not investments.

You are using the liberal tactic of repeating a slogan over and over again because you know the brain-dead liberals here will believe you.
The Real Über-Stupid | 11.20.07 - 7:41 pm | #

They didn't buy it then and they won't buy it now, face it you're a moron.
FrankC | 11.20.07 - 7:46 pm | #

You are a delusional idiot. I am not "Mike Thayer."

That is a figment of your retarded mind.
The Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 7:43 pm

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You're pretty defensive toward someone you call delusional and retarded there Colonel. I'd think that one of Americas finest and highest ranking military officers would be able to just shrug it off.
Wonko the Sane | 11.20.07 - 7:47 pm | #

The Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 7:43 pm
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Yeah, 28yrs in the Air Force retired as a Lt Col.

There's all kinds of them posting on here.

Why don't you tell everyone where you flew out of? Guam.

You never stepped a foot in Vietnam.
john t | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 7:48 pm | #

FUCK YO' MAMA
The Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 7:48 pm

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America is very proud of you. Thank you for setting such a fine example.
Wonko the Sane | 11.20.07 - 7:49 pm | #

Fascism is all about loyalty to the state.Why you leftists seem to think it has anything to do with corporatism is beyond me.I guess none of you have ever bothered to look up the definition of fascism before.
Posted by: Robert Livingstone
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Following up on what was said in Free Speech's 10:58am comment, you are dead wrong with regards to fascism and corporatism.

Corporatism IS indeed a facet of fascism. From the 14 defining characteristics of fascism:

#9) Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

10) Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

"By definition, corporate rule of government is the key characteristic of fascism. Mussolini himself, one of the first fascist dictators, revealed this when he said, "Fascism should rightly be called corporatism as it is
a merger of state and corporate power."

http://www.omnicenter.org/ warpea...m.htm#14fascism
dd | 11.20.07 - 7:49 pm | #

When reason fails, I have to resort to the only kind of language you understand:

FUCK YO' MAMA
The Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 7:48 pm
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No, it's when you know you lost.
john t | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 7:51 pm | #

don't feel any obligation to show any respect toward the anti-American, anti-Military, anti-Defense traitors that inhabit this sick blog.
The Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 7:51 pm

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But you do feel the need to show your undying support and respect for a criminal undertaking in Iraq that only benefits war-profiteers...and you have the gall to call us Un-American.....LOL
Wonko the Sane | 11.20.07 - 7:53 pm | #

Not when you traitors are threatening the future of this country with your moveon.org, OutFoxed mentality.
The Real Über-Troll | 11.20.07 - 7:53 pm

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Sorry, but you have it so wrong.

You've been brainwashed by who knows what (I'm sure it started pre-FNC) into thinking that unnecessary wars are patritotic undertakings. YOu don't need to show anyone here any respect, but when all is said and done these buffoons you are supporting are going to be a huge stain on this country's history, and you will have supported it all the way. I'd feel sorry for you, bu