Emerson is not a lawyer, nor is he an expert on anything of relevance to society.

That is as nice as I can be regarding it.

If "1" juror can supposedly convince the rest of the jury that the prosecution's case sucks...guess what? The prosecution's case must suck. Either the evidence was not there, or they did not present it to the jury well. Either way, that is the prosecution's fault.

Beyond a reasonable doubt.
EJ-TX | 12.21.07 - 5:06 am | #

What you said about Emerson is complete nonsense. He has been investigaging and studying Islamic Jihad since the 1990s... at first at great personal cost to himself, as most people back then didn't see the threat that was developing.

Everything he was reporting about and the warnings he was trying to tell were all justified and in the end he was proved correct.

You guys have to throttle your ideology back just a bit.. it's really clouding your judgement.. are you not able to examine anything objectively?


Have you ever been on a jury? I was on one once and I can attest to the fact that bullying or otehr people caving into the demands of people with strong personality was very real and my case wasn't even that important.
Vince P | 12.21.07 - 5:52 am | #

When they're all convicted on retrial are you terrorist loving liberals all going to slit your wrists in sympathy ? I sure hope you do.
9/11 Survivor | 12.21.07 - 6:09 am | #

Boy this one attracted the bull goose loonies real quick didn't it? 9/11 surivivor- rudy is that you?Suppose vinnie is getting Emerson's credentials from those wonderfully sane and balanced websites he inhabits and touts?At least a couple wingnuts show up to exhibit their real dedication to this country and the things it used to stand for like equal justice under the law. Poor busheviks couldn't get those simpletons convicted in a real court so their going to try again in the court of fux noise idiots.Fortunately that court has no legal standing and very little legitimate standing even as "news".9/11 survivor my pretty pink arse there's nothing you wingers won't attempt to try to legitimize your wingnuttery is there?
donquijotesrocket | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 6:24 am | #

Emerson is a fraud, I'm reposting Ellen's for those who missed it. Read all about how this charlatan has been proven wrong countless times. These days, none of the other media outlets will give him the time of day, except FAUX, of course.


http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1443
FrankC | 12.21.07 - 6:25 am | #

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1443
FrankC | 12.21.07 - 6:25 am | #
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Thanks for posting the link to Ellen's 9 year old hit piece from the far left wing website. Emerson is certainly no fraud, he just pisses you left wing lunatics off because he tells the truth about fanatical muslims. You extreme leftists will keep apologizing for the muslin radicals until the day they thank you by chopping off that block of wood attached to your neck.
J.E. | 12.21.07 - 6:36 am | #

Thanks for posting the link to Ellen's 9 year old hit piece from the far left wing website.
J.E. | 12.21.07 - 6:36 am | #

The link is nine year old because Emerson hasn't been heard from in 10 years LOL!!! And if you bothered to read the article, it cites numerous reputable news sources, so your far left BS doesn't wash.
FrankC | 12.21.07 - 6:41 am | #

That document doesn't prove anything except that the author fundamentally disagrees with Emerson 100%.

The bulk of the article is finding people willing to characterize Emerson as an Islamophobe.

And also to take his statments about breaking news events which were only speculation as if he stated them as fact. Everyone knows that directly after a major news event that no one knows the truth until after a bit of time went by.

The article is laced in the language of identiy politics and political correctness. The author spends most of his time dismissing Emerson as a chicken little.

And the author of the article is a far-leftist journalist who is disinclined to view the radical Islam threat objectively.

The author defended the terrorist professor Al Arian.. so that alone should tell you that the man's judgement is suspect.

In any case, one or two mistatements by Emerson does not constitute fraud.

He was a pioneer in researching the emerging Islamic threat.. if he's a fraud, then it's an amazing bit of luck that he was onto something that no one else was and was absolutely correct in viewing the threat as major.

That he is dismissed with the usual nonsense such as "racist" just goes to prove once more that using words like that is the lazy man's way of shutting down speech without having to actually prove your side is correct.

And that alone should aquitt Emerson of the charge against him in that article from way back in 1999.
Vince P | 12.21.07 - 6:51 am | #

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J.E. | 12.21.07 - 7:02 am | #

The Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development

U.S. Designation Date: December 4, 2001 and re-designated on May 31, 2002

Background: The Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF) was designated under Executive Orders 13224 and 12947 as a charity that provided millions of dollars of material and logistical support to HAMAS. HLF, originally known as the Occupied Land Fund, was established in California in 1989 as a tax-exempt charity. In 1992, HLF relocated to Richardson, Texas. It had offices in California, New Jersey, and Illinois, and individual representatives scattered throughout the United States, the West Bank, and Gaza. In the year 2000 alone, HLF raised over $13 million. HLF supported HAMAS activities through direct fund transfers to its offices in the West Bank and Gaza that are affiliated with HAMAS and transfers of funds to Islamic charity committees ("zakat committees") and other charitable organizations that are part of HAMAS or controlled by HAMAS members. Mousa Mohamed Abu Marzook, a political leader of HAMAS, provided substantial funds to the Holy Land Foundation in the early 1990s. In 1994, Marzook (who was named a Specially Designated Terrorist by the Treasury Department in 1995) designated HLF as the primary fund-raising entity for HAMAS in the United States. HLF funds were used by HAMAS to support schools that served HAMAS ends by encouraging children to become suicide bombers and to recruit suicide bombers by offering support to their families. HLF and several of its directors were indicted on criminal charges in July 2004.

For Additional Information: http://www.treas.gov/press/relea...eases/ po837.htm
Mendell | 12.21.07 - 7:14 am | #

Emerson is certainly no fraud, he just pisses you left wing lunatics off because he tells the truth about fanatical muslims.
J.E. | 12.21.07 - 6:36 am | #

Try reading the article, it quite clearly highlights his penchant for distortion, plagiarising, and being plain wrong.
So yeah, amongst us reality based individuals, his credentials are shit.

Wingnuts like yourself are quite happy to overlook this, simply because you agree with him.
Office Ed | 12.21.07 - 7:16 am | #

Does anyone remember when Steve Emerson was OPPOSED to the war? I do.
But then FOX NEWS waved some cash in front of his kisser and he changed his tune when he became a FOX NEWS SECURITY ANALYST.

Everyone should know one thing about anyone appearing on any of these shows as "experts." They are all getting paid by FOX NEWS and FOX NEWS does not pay an "expert" because he is going to side with liberal views about the war.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.21.07 - 7:23 am | #

lap: your question is designed to remove the focus of the conversation away from the topic and instead to engage in a series of personal attacks. Stick to the topic.
Vince P | 12.21.07 - 6:56 am |

Vince look at it this way; if had not brought up the jury bit regarding yourself, then larp wouldn't have raised the question....

So why not answer it..
Ken | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 7:29 am | #

Here's some details on Emerson's failed lawsuit:

"Terror" Slut Steve Emerson Eats Crow (Just for Starters)
CounterPunch Wire

Self-styled "terrorism expert" Steven Emerson has filed for dismissal of a multi-million-dollar defamation suit against a Florida newspaper and its senior editor. The "notice of voluntary dismissal" (Case No. 00-03739) filed in the Circuit Court in and for Hillsborough County, Fla., states: "Plaintiff Steven Emersonherewith serves notice of his dismissal of this action, without prejudice, against defendants John Sugg and The Weekly Planet, Inc."

"This lawsuit did not have any merit, and I believe it was filed in bad faith to deter us and others from telling the truth about Emerson. I think that 'pseudo-journalist' is a perfect description for Steven Emerson," said Sugg, currently senior editor of Creative Loafing in Atlanta, Ga. Sugg added: "We reported the truth. In four years of litigation, Emerson has been unwilling or unable to come up with any evidence that what we reported was false. Now that we were close to forcing him to back up his claims, he has run away."

Emerson's lawsuit alleged that Sugg, then senior editor of Florida's Weekly Planet newspaper, "maliciously and repeatedly published false and defamatory utterances" in an "ongoing campaign to undermine Emerson's credibility and damage his professional and personal reputation." Emerson sought one million dollars in actual damages and ten million dollars in punitive damages on each of three causes of action.

The complaint centered on allegations reported by Sugg that two Associated Press reporters said Emerson gave them a document on terrorism supposedly from FBI files: "One reporter thought he'd seen the material before, and in checking found a paper Emerson had supplied earlier containing his own unsupported allegations. The two documents were almost identical, except that Emerson's authorship was deleted from the one purported to be from the FBI. 'It was really his work,' one reporter says. 'He sold it to us trying to make it look like a really interesting FBI document.'" (Weekly Planet, May 1998) In that same article, Sugg quoted AP reporter Richard Cole saying: "'We were not really clear on the origin of his [Emerson's] material.' Because of that, Cole recalls, much of Emerson's information was sliced from the series." (Cole was the lead writer of a 1997 AP series on terrorism.)

wow, another wingnut who made baseless claims about being in danger, why are rightwingers such PATHOLOGICAL LIARS?

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Office Ed | 12.21.07 - 7:29 am | #

Vince P | 12.21.07 - 6:56 am
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
A statement is an attack. A question is asking for clarity?
larp | 12.21.07 - 7:45 am | #

One juror was able to bully and sway 11 other jurors?Well,I guess the 11 are serious chicken-shits.Either that,or the government put up a poor case,through lack of evidence or incompetence.

One could infer,from Mr Emerson complaining about how one juror was able to "bully" 11 others,that the take-home message is that we just can't rely on juries to render the correct verdict.

If we are going to abandon the rule of law because of our fear,then we have already lost the war.
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 8:21 am | #

I was dealing with the contents. Or lack there of!!!
Truth Gets The Boot | 12.21.07 - 8:41 am | #


Really? Funny I didn't see you deal with any of this contents (and that's just part of it), would you like to try again?

As Emerson's fame mounted, so did criticism. Emerson's book, The Fall of Pan Am 103, was chastised by the Columbia Journalism Review, which noted in July 1990 that passages "bear a striking resemblance, in both substance and style" to reports in the Post-Standard of Syracuse, N.Y. Reporters from the Syracuse newspaper told this writer that they cornered Emerson at an Investigative Reporters and Editors conference and forced an apology.

A New York Times review (5/19/91) of his 1991 book Terrorist chided that it was "marred by factual errors…and by a pervasive anti-Arab and anti-Palestinian bias." His 1994 PBS video, Jihad in America (11/94), was faulted for bigotry and misrepresentations--veteran reporter Robert Friedman (The Nation, 5/15/95) accused Emerson of "creating mass hysteria against American Arabs."

Emerson was wrong when he initially pointed to Yugoslavians as suspects in the World Trade Center bombing (CNN, 3/2/93). He was wrong when he said on CNBC (8/23/96) that "it was a bomb that brought down TWA Flight 800."

Emerson's most notorious gaffe was his claim that the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing showed "a Middle Eastern trait" because it "was done with the intent to inflict as many casualties as possible." (CBS News, 4/19/95) Afterward, news organizations appeared less interested in Emerson's pronouncements. A CBS contract expired and wasn't renewed. Emerson had been a regular source and occasional writer for the Washington Post; his name doesn't turn up once in Post archives after Jan. 1, 1996. USA Today mentioned Emerson a dozen times before September 1996, none after.

"He's poison," says investigative author Seymour Hersh, when asked about how Emerson is perceived by fellow journalist

As a consultant on the series, Emerson presented AP reporters with what were "supposed to be FBI documents" describing mainstream American Muslim groups with alleged terrorist sympathies, according to the project's lead writer, Richard Cole. One of the reporters uncovered an earlier, almost identical document authored by Emerson. The purported FBI dossier "was really his," Cole says. "He had edited out all phrases, taken out anything that made it look like his."

Another AP reporter, Fred Bayles, recalls that Emerson "could never back up what he said. We couldn't believe that document was from the FBI files."
FrankC | 12.21.07 - 8:56 am | #

What you said about Emerson is complete nonsense. He has been investigaging and studying Islamic Jihad since the 1990s... at first at great personal cost to himself
Vince P | 12.21.07 - 5:52 am | #


great personal cost to himself?

I did'nt realise that FABRICATING a story about being the target of an islamic hit squad was so fraught with danger.
I'm so in awe of you rightwingers, so brave, so misunderstood.
Office Ed | 12.21.07 - 9:07 am | #

In paragraph order

1 - It's vague what they're alledging... are they saying he plagerized?

2 - Shock! The New York Times and the Nation thought he was an Islamophobe! They wold have used that word had it been invented then. They may be entitled to their opinion but just because they dont see the threat like he did, doesn't mean that he was not factually correct nor unreasonable in his analysis. If anything the NYT and the Nation were wrong to be so complacent.

3 - Is unclear. Are they saying he fabricated that the authorities suspected Yugoslavians.. or did he state correctly that Yugos were suspected even though later on it was proved that they were clear? Lots of people suspect foul play regarding TWA. The govt record sure does leave a lot of room for alternative theories.

4 - Many people still hold to the view of some sort of Iraq connection.

And the rest is all invective for people who have a personal thing against him.

All in all i'm sure you have a record that anyone involved in a controversial subject has. These things are so trivial yet for anyone looking for an excuse to remain in denial about Terrorism , it does give you the ablity to deceive yourself that you can dismiss what the man says as false.
Vince P | 12.21.07 - 9:09 am | #

Another case of overreaching on the part of the bush Administration?

Mistrial called for 6 of Liberty City 7.One acquited.

http://www.miamiherald.com/top_s...ory/ 344272.html
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 9:09 am | #

4 - Many people still hold to the view of some sort of Iraq connection.


Vince P | 12.21.07 - 9:09 am | #

Oh well, that clinches it, it must be true then (Heavy sarcasm)
FrankC | 12.21.07 - 9:11 am | #

If you want to think it's true, knock your socks off.
Vince P | 12.21.07 - 9:12 am | #

Emerson stands in front of the trolls on this board an holds a rubber snake. He says, 'This snake don't bite me."

The trolls will swear that Emerson is telling the truth because they seen it with their own eyeballs. The snake don't bite.

The rest of us newshounds points out that the snake is made of rubber.

The trolls respond back, "But that isn't the point."
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 9:16 am | #

These things are so trivial yet for anyone looking for an excuse to remain in denial about Terrorism , it does give you the ablity to deceive yourself that you can dismiss what the man says as false.
Vince P | 12.21.07 - 9:09 am

no one is in denial about terrorism,
and concrening Emerson you are basically saying:
'if you ignore his past history of lying, he's a credible source'

that is pathetic.
Office Ed | 12.21.07 - 9:21 am | #

CO2 | 12.21.07 - 9:17 am | #

The point of my post is to show how much of a fraud Emerson is and you clowns swallow it up as if he was for real.

Every religion around the world has its fanatics. In reality these fanatics are people of intolerance. It is the people of intolerance that we should focus on and not the religion they claim to represent.

Emerson is a fanatic and he appeals to fanatics. He is a joke.
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 9:22 am | #

Emerson is a fanatic and he appeals to fanatics. He is a joke.
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 9:22 am

Well stated and true
Ken | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 9:24 am | #

what's up with the rug?
english teacher | 12.21.07 - 9:24 am | #

Richard Clarke has been critical to both Dubya and Clinton regarding terrorism. If I recall back in an earlier post, Emerson was funded by one Richard Melon Sciafe, and we all know who he is...
Ken | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 9:28 am | #

I believe some on the Right were critical of Richard Clarke themselves too, so it appears to be "pick and choose" when it's convenient
Ken | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 9:30 am | #

CO2 | 12.21.07 - 9:25 am | #

The reason he is a clown is because it takes a human mole to infiltrate terrorists organizations, not some fuck head sitting on a sofa making generalizations that terrorists will strike sometime in the future. Any nut job can do that. Make wide generalizations such as it will rain sometime next year doesn't make the person a rainmaker.

Getting back to the mole. The odds of a human mole in these organizations is rare and extremely difficult and dangerous. Trust me. I know people from the middle east. Those people know each other like family. You can't just walk up to an Arabian and say hi I'm Emerson I would like to join and be a mole and then be an expert on your organization. What do you say about that?

Emerson is clown boy all the way through.
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 9:31 am | #

I believe some on the Right were critical of Richard Clarke themselves too, so it appears to be "pick and choose" when it's convenient
Ken | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 9:30 am

Cherry picking, the wingnut's favorite hobby.
FrankC | 12.21.07 - 9:33 am | #

Emerson would appear to have some serious paranoia issues:

After his film Jihad in America aired in South Africa, Emerson writes that the FBI informed him that a South African Muslim group had dispatched a team to the U.S. to assassinate him. Since that time, Emerson says, he uses a collapsible mirror to check there are no bombs underneath his car, stays away from windows, varies his routine, does occasional U-turns when driving to make sure no one is following him, wears inconspicuous clothing, and changes his routes and the times he leaves his home. He requires security when speaking at universities, and a police guard when addressing the Senate. According to Slate, people who visit his Washington, D.C. office are blindfolded en route, and employees call it "the bat cave." [1] He left the condominium he had just purchased when Jihad in America was first aired, and now lives undercover

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ste.../ Steven_Emerson

And to think that he spent 6 years getting a bachelor's and masters degree at Brown University which was and is a very liberal campus (set in the very colonial and very hip "East Side" of Providence, RI) Hopefully he wasn't as whacked then as he is now because he would have been very isolated!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 9:36 am | #

I'm waiting for an answer to my question. Ken, you are trying to lead. I'm making a point.
If Emerson is a Fraud, then Clarke is a fraud. Who was appointed by Clinton who is a fraud.
CO2 | 12.21.07 - 9:33 am |

We're all making points son. What's true of one is likely true of the other. Many disliked what Clarke testified about because it was highly critical of Bush, yet , when it's convenient like right now, you use him as a source to justify Emerson. Then you could concede he was correct in his criticism of Bush regarding terrorism too then I take it
Ken | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 9:38 am | #

FrankC | 12.21.07 - 9:37 am

Let me add one more blah. And slightly OT; but, we're having the traditional Italian Christmas Eve fish dinner at the home of friends.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 9:38 am | #

CO2 | 12.21.07 - 9:36 am | #

Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld didn't listen to Clarke what does that say to you. They even demoted him and called him a disgruntled employee.
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 9:39 am | #

Let me add one more blah. And slightly OT; but, we're having the traditional Italian Christmas Eve fish dinner at the home of friends.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 9:38 am | #

That's a staple at my house :-) Enjoy and have a Merry.
FrankC | 12.21.07 - 9:40 am | #

Let me add one more blah. And slightly OT; but, we're having the traditional Italian Christmas Eve fish dinner at the home of friends.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 9:38 am |

What type of wine should I bring and about what time should I arrive at your house? LOL...sounds great...a very MerryChristmas
Ken | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 9:41 am | #

Kudos to Colmes for bringing in some reality to the discussion. But once again, the right wing is unhappy with the legal system which, after the passage of the Patriot Act, was skewed in their direction. Let's just abolish constitutional due process because as the crusader king said, "it's just a piece of paper."
claudo | 12.21.07 - 9:41 am | #

CO2 | 12.21.07 - 9:40 am | #

Translation: If you expose me for the charlatan that I am, you're off topic.
FrankC | 12.21.07 - 9:41 am | #

claudo | 12.21.07 - 9:38 am |

I love fish.
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 9:42 am | #

Buon Natale to all who celebrate and happy holidays to those who don't!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 9:44 am | #

Vince P | 12.21.07 - 9:43 am

Anything promulgated by Emerson should be viewed with great skepticism.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 9:45 am | #

Speaking in generalities,why does the RW need to be afraid?Some bozos living in caves want to kill us.So what's new?
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 9:45 am | #

Emerson reminds me of the old John Birchers who saw "commies" lurking everywhere. He really a bit of a caricature and as such is perfect for the fabulous, fantastic, Fox Fear Factor!!! Hmmmm, how bout a reality show which puts Hannity, Emerson, Steyn and all the other Fox Islamophobes in a remote location with the premise that one is a secret Jihadist!!!!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 9:48 am | #

I'm sick of these "not with my daughter you don't" eugenicists being trotted out as "security experts"
jr | 12.21.07 - 9:48 am | #

jr | 12.21.07 - 9:48 am

RightO - Steyn is straight out of the third Reich with his "white people need to breed" premise. But Fox's John Gibson said the same thing (and the thought of Gibson doing what is required to breed fills me with revulsion!)
claudo | 12.21.07 - 9:49 am | #

you are spinning your wheels in mud. newshound lefties base their opinions on one thing: their unlimited hatred of George Bush. if George Bush says their is a threat from islamic extremism, the hounds must deny it and decry it for that fact alone.

makes for some good laughs though.
dogcatcher | 12.21.07 - 9:46 am |

Is that similar to hatred of Clinton the last 14 plus years? Dubya hatred has only been 7 plus years, so you guys have a ways to go to catch up. At least Clinton is well verse, concise, articulate, is thoughtful and intelligent and speaks eloquently, unlike the smarmy smirking wise ass Bush, who thinks everyone is a bunch of idiots so he thinks he's "Talking down" to everyone when he's at the podium, like yesterday.

Yep he is quite the cut up
Ken | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 9:50 am | #

Now Steve Emerson is being judged on the utopian ideal...
Vince P | 12.21.07 - 9:34 am

Classic.
Having an expectation of honesty in a contributor to a NEWS CHANNEL is now a 'utopian ideal'.
Office Ed | 12.21.07 - 9:52 am | #

The "Muslims are coming, the Muslims are coming" crowd get lots of play on Fox; but the reality based community just ignores them. Max Blumenthal and Josh Micah Marshall have great videos of David Horowitz ranting and raving at Columbia University. He's also into the "Muslims and left wing operatives" are out to kill me thang that seems to be quite au courante with this crew.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 9:53 am | #

Emerson is downright paranoid. In a way I actually feel sorry for him. He sees terrorists everywhere he looks. He clearly, clearly hates anyone of the Muslim faith.
Mike | 12.21.07 - 9:53 am | #

Mike | 12.21.07 - 9:53 am

And as such, is perfect for the totally bigoted Sean Hannity show.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 9:54 am | #

you are spinning your wheels in mud. newshound lefties base their opinions on one thing: their unlimited hatred of George Bush. if George Bush says their is a threat from islamic extremism, the hounds must deny it and decry it for that fact alone.

makes for some good laughs though.
dogcatcher | 12.21.07 - 9:46 am |

Hey- I'm an equal-opportunity hater. I can't stand anyone in the Bush administration, not just Bushy. We don't base our opinions on that hate, we lefties have these neat BS filters that let us see things clearly and allow us to think for ourselves and make our own decisions rather than have our opinions spoon-fed to us from hysterical fanatics like Steve Emerson.
Mike | 12.21.07 - 9:58 am | #

I would say Putin is more of an expert than Emerson. Here is what Putin had to say:

Incidentally, I would not add the adjective 'Islamic' to a definition of terrorism. In our opinion and according to my own personal conviction, terrorism does not have a national or religious component. Terrorism is international. And there are extremists in all fields, in all countries, and, if you want to talk about the religious component, in all denominations. From time to time something simmers and then occasionally erupts. But we are not fighting with any kind of religious manifestation, but rather with the ideology of intolerance, in whatever form that may take.
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 9:58 am | #

Mike beautifully stated....nicely done
Ken | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 9:59 am | #

Steve definitely needs "a checkup from the neck up"

Emerson stated that a federal lawman and other authorities in 1995 told him 'radical Islamic fundamentalists had been assigned to carry out an assassination of me. An actual hit team had been dispatched...' Emerson claimed the authorities said he could probably 'get permission to enter the Witness Security Program'

this on-the-record response was made by spokesman John Russell on May 5

Russell said. 'We've never given any thought to putting him in the witness protection program.' Is there any truth to the allegation of an assassination team? 'No, none at all,' Russell responded."

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=c...clnk&cd=6& gl=us

Ergo, Emerson has a real credibility problem.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:01 am | #

Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 9:58 am

The anti abortion violence in this country comes from "Christian" domestic terrorists - yet nothing is said on Hannity about these very dangerous people. In fact, Hannity interviewed anti abortion criminal, Randall Terry, during the Fox Shiavo media circus, without mentioning Terry's convictions.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:03 am | #

One can speculate that Vince,doggy et.al. are very young.It's hard to imagine such tender dispositions surviving the "Cold War".

There were people who wanted to do us harm.They had thousands of very heavy thermonuclear weapons.They had the means to deliver them.And there were millions of them.

And yet we went to work,had picnics,procreated,all the normal events in a normal life.
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 10:07 am | #

That's how Hannity operates. His stand on many issues is made clear by his point of not condemning certain remarks or actions. This from a man that regularly demands condemnation of remarks from Dems all the time.
Mike | 12.21.07 - 10:08 am | #

notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 10:07 am

The irony being that during this time, the United States government was aiding the Muslim Brotherhood and other right wing Muslim groups, througout the Middle East, in an effort to counter communism. As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for - cuz you might get bitten in the ass!!!!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:08 am | #

And as Hannity is a college drop out, Steyn is a high school drop out. Guess they're just "compensating" for their lack of real abilitities.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:10 am | #

Mike | 12.21.07 - 10:10 am


Islamophobia has been very, very good to him!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:11 am | #

"Incidentally, I would not add the adjective 'Islamic' to a definition of terrorism. In our opinion and according to my own personal conviction, terrorism does not have a national or religious component. Terrorism is international. And there are extremists in all fields, in all countries, and, if you want to talk about the religious component, in all denominations. From time to time something simmers and then occasionally erupts. But we are not fighting with any kind of religious manifestation, but rather with the ideology of intolerance, in whatever form that may take.
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 9:58 am | # "

And do you know why Putin is kissing Islamic ass?

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006...c/ 06122109.html


Among large countries of the world, Russia is disintegrating the fastest. Her total fertility rate is down to 1.3 children per woman in her lifetime according to the United Nations Population Division, far below the replacement rate of 2.1. This is lowest low fertility from which no human society has ever recovered. An astounding 70% of Russian pregnancies end in abortion, taking stereotypical Russian fatalism to new depths. Russian men have a life expectancy on par with Bangladeshis.

Young people are emigrating out of Russia fast. In fact, her population is plummeting by 700,000 people a year and is already 5 million below its peak of 15 years ago. Given the sky-high abortion rate, very low birthrate, and rapid emigration of young people, Russia is aging fast. In 20 years, one out of four Russians will be 60 or over. Men in particular are dropping like flies: There are only 86.6 men for every 100 women in Russia (in the United States, it’s 96.8).

..

In 2015, less than ten years from now, Muslims could make up a majority of the Russian military


Last year, Russia ’s top Muslim religious leader Ravil Gaynutdin, chairman of the Council of Muftis of Russia, asserted that 23 million indigenous Muslims live in Russia, which has a total population of 143 million. Russia also has about 4 million Muslim immigrants, making her total Muslim population around 27 million or almost 20%.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ ar...MNGJGMFUVG1.DTL

Russia's overall population is dropping at a rate of 700,000 people a year, largely due to the short life spans and low birth rates of ethnic Russians. The country's 2002 census shows that the national fertility rate is 1.5 children per woman, far below the 2.1 children per woman needed to maintain the country's population of about 143 million. The rate in Moscow is even lower, at 1.1 children per woman.

But Russia's Muslims are bucking that trend. The fertility rate for Tatars living in Moscow, for example,is six children per woman, Goble said, while the Chechen and Ingush communities are averaging 10 children per woman. And hundreds of thousands of Muslims from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have been flocking to Russia in search of work.

Since 1989, Russia's Muslim population has increased by 40 percent to about 25 million. By 2015, Muslims will make up a majority of Russia's conscript army, and by 2020 a fifth of the population.

"If nothing changes, in 30 years people of Muslim descent will definitely outnumber ethnic Russians," Goble said.
Vince P | 12.21.07 - 10:11 am | #

claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:03 am | #

Read the following link.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/ st...1174639,00.html

America's right-wing groups, though diminished in numbers since 1995, have become bent on acquiring weapons capable of mass slaughter.

'The radical right is going to seek ever more deadly and extreme forms of weapons,' said Daniel Levitas, author of The Terrorist Next Door. Levitas estimates that far-right groups have about 25,000 members, with 10 times as many sympathisers. The Southern Poverty Law Centre (SPLC), which monitors hate groups, has identified 708 of them. Since Oklahoma City, more than 30 plots by US terrorists have been uncovered, including attacks on oil refineries, politicians and army bases.
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 10:12 am | #

Vince P | 12.21.07 - 10:11 am

Aww, the old eugenics argument. Message to whities - get out there and breed, dammit!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:12 am | #

Claudo,

We ran with the enemy of my enemy is our friend.That's what brought us Ferdinand Marcos,Pinochet,Botha, and the Mujahdeen(sp?).
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 10:12 am | #

notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 10:12 am

Yeppers - We sure loved them, thar Mujahideen Freedom Fighters and in so doing helped create the Hekmatyr's Taliban.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:14 am | #

These crimes are not being committed by Muslims:

The FBI released its hate crime statistics for 2006 showing an increase of 7.8 percent. The Southern Poverty Law Center says the FBI report “severely flawed,” noting that Alabama reported only one hate crime in 2006, while Mississippi and Hawaii did not report any hate crimes at all. “In fact, the level of hate crimes in the United States is astoundingly high — more than 190,000 incidents per year.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11...vember-20-2007/
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:16 am | #

Aww, the old eugenics argument. Message to whities - get out there and breed, dammit!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:12 am | #
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Vince forgets....about China and India.
But I shouldn't compound his fears.
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 10:17 am | #

One wonders how many crimes against American Muslims are being committed by Hannity fans!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:17 am | #

Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 10:17 am

But the Iranians are considered "white" - is it OK for them to reproduce?
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:18 am | #

Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 10:14 am | #

You guys would be more interesting if you guys would at least try to rebuttal the posts you disagree with.
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 10:19 am | #

One wonders if the judge and the other jurors in this case are now getting death threats as do many folks whom Fox declares anathema!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:20 am | #

Listen to you folks... your politics have forced you into a corner supporting a group of people who are thretening to kill anyone who speaks against them.
Vince P | 12.21.07 - 10:00 am | #

This is why i despise people like you, because we are not willing to slavishly swallow any old bullshit that you happen to believe, we are automatically labelled as terrorist supporters.
My belief that Emerson is somewhat full of shit, and a fantasist, does not mean i support terrorists.
Office Ed | 12.21.07 - 10:20 am | #

Of course. It's alwasy the fault of the USA. It's just the loony left. Funny.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 10:19 am | #
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You do have to be able to recognize when the nation has not worked on the side of virtue don't you?

Can you think of one instance?
Just one.....
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 10:22 am | #

Steve Emerson is a card carrying Nazi Party member
Anonymous | 12.21.07 - 10:22 am | #

Office Ed | 12.21.07 - 10:20 am

Slow down! That is far too sensible for them to take in all at once.
vance | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 10:23 am | #

Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 10:19 am

So you're saying that the US did not have a hand in arming the militias in Afghanistan that fought the Russians - including those of Hekmatyr which became the Taliban. You might try reading some reality based history. BTW, OBL was connected to those "freedom fighters."

An excellent starting place would be "The Devils Game: How the US helped unleash fundamentalist Islam" by Robert Dreyfuss.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:23 am | #

Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 10:21 am

Aw yes, Pakistan - home of freedom and democracy Musharaff style.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:24 am | #

One wonders if the judge and the other jurors in this case are now getting death threats as do many folks whom Fox declares anathema!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:20 am | #

It wouldn't surprise me if there really were threats. Somehow these extreme righties feel like their brand of terrorism is justified. If you think about it, aren't radical islamist extremists just further to the right than the decidedly uncompassionate Christian Right?
Mike | 12.21.07 - 10:24 am | #

Office Ed | 12.21.07 - 10:20 am

Also a shameless self promoter - like Hannity and Steyn.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:24 am | #

There were people who wanted to do us harm.They had thousands of very heavy thermonuclear weapons.They had the means to deliver them.And there were millions of them.

And yet we went to work,had picnics,procreated,all the normal events in a normal life.
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 10:07 am |

Very good points notvery...totally agreed. These people had always existed...even Donald Rumsfeld shook hands with Saddam back in the 1980's
Ken | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 10:25 am | #

Mike | 12.21.07 - 10:24 am

Bingo. Steven Colbert really hammered Dineesh DeSouza on the similarities between American Christian conservatism and radical Islam. Video is on Crooks and Liars.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:26 am | #

claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:23 am

Don't you realize that when you meddle in a region's economic and social affairs for 50+ years, the people of that region can't possibly have any legitimate gripe against you?
vance | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 10:26 am | #

assist in the disinformation campaign so that the public at large is not informed about the truth

Neither Emerson nor Hannity speak anything remotely connected to the truth.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:26 am | #

Buon Natale to all who celebrate and happy holidays to those who don't!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 9:44 am

And a hearty Felíz Navidad n' Prospero Año Nuevo to you and your'n....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 10:28 am | #

And of course, Muslims are aware that American right wingers and their TV Network paint broadbrush Islam as being something nefarious. Doesn't do much for America's image in the world.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:28 am | #

If the citizens of the islamic world listen to,and believe, the rantings of Emerson,Steyn,Coulter and Vince are representitive of the West,it would be logical to assume that the West truly does want to destroy Islam.Hopefully they realize that these rantings are the few,and are no more representitive of us than Randall Terry is of Christianity.
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 10:29 am | #

You are an excellent preacher, but have never given an indication that you practice those virtues that you hold so dear.
The unenlightened always imagines the opposite to be true.
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 10:10 am |

Patriot very true..that's what I was thinking reading Vince's post there.

That's why those of us who are not on the Left react the way we do to the things you say... because it seems that if there's someone you disagree with, then you're not willing to grant anything to that person.. not even that his security concerns are valid. It's like you're in a total war against the other side.

Patriot like that statement right there , which is totally untrue of course. It's not what they say but the "Tone" and "Demeanor" in how they say it....Eh Truth calling some of us "libtards" is an excellent example of irrational, nasty, obnoxious, patronizing, billigerent out bursts from a person unable to discuss rationally
Ken | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 10:29 am | #

if these people like emerson, worked as hard trying to help the country as hard as they work finding "issues" that fit there agenda we'd be better off as a country.
Anonymous | 12.21.07 - 10:30 am | #

Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 10:28 am

The US used "terror weapons" when it unitlaterally invaded a sovereign nation. Not for nothing is the US viewed as more dangerous than Iran and North Korea. And the constant anti Islamic screed on Fox News doesn't help.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:30 am | #

Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 10:28 am |

Gracias, amigo!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:32 am | #

there = their
Anonymous | 12.21.07 - 10:33 am | #

claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:30 am | #

correct.

I can make a distinction between finding true sources of our problems with radical islam rather than just go with the reactionary "USA good islamafascist bad" default

but of course, that is because I'm part of the "looney left blame america first crowd"
sockpuppet chalmers | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 10:35 am | #

It's sad...

the way the trolls and their neoconartist masters...

mess themselves at the sight of their own shadow....

and they all have monsters living in their closets (with Larry Craig)
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 10:36 am | #

claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:30 am | #
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Terror has been a weapon used by the USA, there is no denying that.

Being able to recognize, acknowledge and make changes is paramount to becoming a better people, and a better nation.
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 10:37 am | #

Anyone that thinks America doesn't act in it's own self interest, be it with good or bad effect on the world is ignorant of history, imo
sockpuppet chalmers | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 10:37 am | #

Ken | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 10:29 am | #
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Good post....and thankyou!
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 10:38 am | #

So let's cut to the chase here. What is the greater "macrocosmic" message here beyond being "scared." How should that translate into political activism on the part of American voters? What next?
claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:38 am | #

unfortunately it seems it is generally with bad effect on the world

which as we are seeing, is really bad for America as well

but we will come out ahead because we spend an egregious amount of money on the military budget

the purest form of wealth distribution

.
sockpuppet chalmers | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 10:39 am | #

Profoundly sick and confused people like you give poltical cover to murderers.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 10:39 am

Like Dumbya and the Dick o' Darkness...

thank you for being honest in turn....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 10:40 am | #

Woody,

Why is everything either/or black/white to you?The Lord gave you frontal lobes for a reason.
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 10:41 am | #

notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 10:41 am

Sadly...

he's just a ventriloquist dummy who lives in an old steamer trunk....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 10:43 am | #

seeing issues in black and white is the source of america's problems

because we let our leaders get away with it

if it wasn't islamic terrorists right now

you can believe it would be something else and that else would be reduced to a one sentence identification for people like northy


.
sockpuppet chalmers | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 10:44 am | #

The true sources of our problems are islamic fanatics who cut people's heads off on televison. Profoundly sick and confused people like you give poltical cover to murderers.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 10:39 am | #

That video of the decapitation was made after Iraq was invaded. Iraq had nothing to do with 911. The war in Iraq is a 9 trillion dollar Bush photo opt to erase his AWOL record that haunts him.
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 10:45 am | #

after all, war is far more profitable


heck, you can just lose billions literally and nobody seems to care

but let's whine about health care for our lazy citizens, lazy babies for example


those lazy babies need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps

.
sockpuppet chalmers | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 10:50 am | #

Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 10:48 am | #

Karl Rove thinks the big bad Congress bullied little Junior into waging the war against Iraq.
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 10:50 am | #

The U.S. Embassy urged U.S. citizens living or traveling in Belgium to maintain a high level of vigilance, especially in crowded places. But it had "no information to indicate that U.S. citizens or facilities are an intended target."


You can travel there freely. This isn't real anyway, RIGHT?
Natas | 12.21.07 - 10:50 am | #

Shit Tom Ridge is back with his color coded alerts that led to nothing, I thought we had gotten rid of him.
FrankC | 12.21.07 - 10:57 am | #

Another Angle | 12.21.07 - 10:57 am | #

That article is almost four years old, I wonder why he didn't present that angle.
FrankC | 12.21.07 - 11:00 am | #

Another Angle | 12.21.07 - 10:57 am

Hitler wrote books, too...

and is cited in inumerable articles and books....

don 't mean shite
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 11:01 am | #

Another Angle | 12.21.07 - 11:03 am

Or...

perhaps YOU are just a typical Faux Noise viewer...

utterly incapable of critical thought....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 11:05 am | #

Angle,

Could it be that Emerson is not on"CBS,NBC...."because he has lost credibility?
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 11:05 am | #

How about the "now disgruntled" former CBS employee for nearly 30 years, the one and only Bernie Goldberg, who now squats and shits on CBS after being gainfully employed by them for a very long time, to whine NOW about them being Liberal
Ken | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 11:07 am | #

claudo | 12.21.07 - 10:30 am
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Go feed your kitties.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 10:35 am | #

Boy,we just can't get enough of that joke.I mean,that is your sense of humor,right? And like everything else you endlessly spew,you never tire of it.
Anonymous | 12.21.07 - 11:08 am | #

Angle, you spend sleepless nights agonizing over posts 24 hours a day to substantiate that claim do ye? Greta and Bill were never thought of in an negative light, which could be positive, as was the case for John Gibson.
Ken | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 11:09 am | #

Goldberg is not the topic of this discussion. Emerson is.
Another Angle | 12.21.07 - 11:08 am |

Ahhh yes...of course...the "damn it I have no response to that true fact, so I will have to deflect with the old standby "hey we ain't talkin' about him"
Ken | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 11:11 am | #

However his creds are only in question by the left wing, or all of the above mentioned news media that you mentioned. CBS, NBC.
Another Angle | 12.21.07 - 11:08 am | #

CBS is owned by VIACOM
NBC is owned by General Electric

Both big conglomerates,hardly a liberal trait, yet these wingnuts kool aide drinkers keep spewing the same BS.
FrankC | 12.21.07 - 11:13 am | #

OT wishes

Happy World Orgasm Day, everyone!
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 11:13 am | #

Angle,

If you bring up
fox still employing Emerson as a reason to not question his credibility,then anyone fox employs is open for question.Do you consider Mark Furhman credible?
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 11:15 am | #

and an OT tip to the troll-thingies...

don't forget to wipe the spunk off of yer chins before you leave your basements!
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 11:16 am | #

Hayduke,

World Orgasm Day?

Is there a parade?
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 11:16 am | #

notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 11:15 am |

Or Ollie North?
Or Curtise Sliwa?
How about Steve Doocy?

_
Crash Chloride | 12.21.07 - 11:17 am | #

notveryhow,

Dunno. I imagine there is...

somewhere....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 11:17 am | #

Mendel,

Sen Chuck Hagel(R) calls it"The most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam".And it's not on your mind.

And don't you have peas to count?
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 11:27 am | #

"lap: your question is designed to remove the focus of the conversation away from the topic and instead to engage in a series of personal attacks. Stick to the topic.
Vince P | 12.21.07 - 6:56 am | # "

Which is funny seeing how Vinnie P called Abby a, "slut" the day before yesterday and called Claudo a, "Bitch" yesterday.
General Escape Goat | 12.21.07 - 11:29 am | #

As a former reporter, I would love to sitdown with Steve Emerson and ask him how he gets so much information on terrorism when he never leaves the United States?
BILL CORCORAN | 12.21.07 - 11:52 am | #

Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 11:48 am

Lil Wood-for-brains...

Ok.

Just how do YOU define winning?
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 11:52 am | #

They have invested everything in quagmire and defeat -- so any good news will be rejected. It's a 60's thing.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 11:48 am | #
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I wonder when this idiot is going to come up with new talking points.

These are getting pretty stale.
john t | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 11:54 am | #

No matter what happens, the loony left will NEVER admit the war in Iraq can be won. They have invested everything in quagmire and defeat -- so any good news will be rejected. It's a 60's thing.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 11:48 am | #
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What is winning in Iraq?

Unconditional love for the USA?
Democracy domino theory?

Do tell....
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 11:54 am | #

And...

can it be considered winning...

in an illegal and immoral conflict?
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 11:54 am | #

Here's a question for the libs - why so friendly towards Islam and hostile towards Christianity? W.
Will | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 8:11 am

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The simple answer...radical RW Chrisitianity poses more of a threat to me than the threat of being killed by a radical Muslim.

to get more in depth...

Christians are in charge of things in this country and try to pass laws limiting what I'm allowed to do. Christians in charge lead this country into a war in Iraq that was wrong and has lead to the deaths of far more people than were killed on 9/11/2001. Those same radical Christians tell me that radical Muslims hate my freedoms while they pass laws taking away rights to privacy and due process and threaten to change the constitution to define marriage as their acceptable version of it.

I'm not against securing the homeland and recognize the threat posed by a group stating it wants to kill Americans...but as a whole the US is doing something about it. We can argue about the right response, but we pretty much agree we need to do something.

I'm confronted on a way more regular basis by Christians who totally miss Christ's point.....by people who say "Merry Christmas" like it's a dare. I see/hear of Christians carroling out in front of a store while wearing t-shirts with anti-gay slogans...of screaming Hitleresque rallies in stadiums where preachers in front of jumbo-trons wtih flashing crosses telling the crowd that everyone outside the stadium is the enemy.....I don't see radical Muslims doing that in the US.
Wonko the Sane | 12.21.07 - 12:00 pm | #

"No matter what happens, the loony left will NEVER admit the war in Iraq can be won. They have invested everything in quagmire and defeat -- so any good news will be rejected. It's a 60's thing."
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 11:48 am | #


THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK. Here's another question: can you cite JUST ONE TIME in history in which a conventional army defeated a HOMEGROWN guerrilla insurgency? And DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT EVEN THINK about citing that January 18, 2005 article from the National Review writtten by perennial neocon chickenhawk Rich Lowry. Why don't you try someone with a Pulitzer Prize or some other major journalism award to his or her credit?
Rich S | 12.21.07 - 12:01 pm | #

Your odds of being killed by terrorists are less than being killed by lightning. Where's the Emerson of lighning on Fox?
gail | 12.21.07 - 12:03 pm | #

How cavalierly you dismiss the deaths of so many!

Perhaps YOU would feel differently if YOU could feel empathy...

or YOUR family members were numbered among the dead....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:01 pm

Northwoods is a piece of shit, who has on many occasions told regulars here that he would like to see them die of cancer, so no, he has no empathy.
Office Ed | 12.21.07 - 12:04 pm | #

can you give an example of someone on here defending Islamic terrorists?

I know I never have.
General Escape Goat | 12.21.07 - 12:05 pm | #

Office Ed | 12.21.07 - 12:04 pm

Agreed, amigo!
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:05 pm | #

Here's a question for the libs - why so friendly towards Islam and hostile towards Christianity? W.
Will | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 8:11 am
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To me, religion has nothing to do with it. Religion is simply the easiest universal form of comunicating RW hate. They actually have less respect for their respective religions and use it only as a convenient vehicle for intolerance.
Muddog | 12.21.07 - 12:06 pm | #

"No matter what happens, the loony left will NEVER admit the war in Iraq can be won"
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 11:48 am |
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By 'war' surely you mean ilegal occupation of a sovereign nation?
Oklad B.C. Canada | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:11 pm | #

Will,

Most people of sound mind are able to do more than one thing at a time.If Hannity was at all concerned about domestic terrorism from the Right,he would address it,and not glorify a domestic terrorist like Randall Terry.

Most everyone recognizes the danger of foreign terrorism.The debate is about how to address it.To critisize the left for not wanting to demonize Islam is a counterproductive strategy.

And to ignore,or worse,to glorify domestic terrorism is to show distain for the safety of your fellow citizens.
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 12:11 pm | #

Will, IYO...why are there Islamic Terrorists?
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 12:08 pm

With worldwide communications becoming commonplace, they realize they do not dominate the world.
Mendell | 12.21.07 - 12:12 pm | #

Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 11:59 am

Perhaps YOU would feel differently if YOU could feel empathy...

Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:01 pm | #

You're kidding? Right?

A reminder of the asshole you're dealing with...

Fuck you. I hope you get a brain tumor -- and your head explodes.
Northwoods | 11.21.07 - 4:27 pm | #

Please Get Cancer and die screaming.
Northwoods | 11.21.07 - 4:42 pm | #

Your're a carpet-chewing lesbian, an America-hater and a bigot. I hope you get Cancer and die screaming.
Northwoods | 11.21.07 - 4:36 pm | #
You should catch cancer and die screaming too.
Northwoods | 11.21.07 - 4:51 pm | #

Obviously, you have never had a loved one die from cancer. It's not pretty to watch. I feel sorry for you!
Hater | 11.21.07 - 4:53 pm
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Oh yes I have. That's why I sincerely wish Zack gets a brain tumor as big as a watermelon.
Northwoods | 11.21.07 - 4:55 pm | #

Some believe the ills wished upon others compound upon the wisher by three. Perhaps you'll be the one to find out.
FinalFurlong | 11.21.07 - 4:55 pm
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Fuck you.
Northwoods | 11.21.07 - 4:56 pm | #

Why anyone gives northy: dumbass the time of day is a mystery to me.
Anonymous | 12.21.07 - 12:12 pm | #

With worldwide communications becoming commonplace, they realize they do not dominate the world.
Mendell | 12.21.07 - 12:12 pm | #
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What about the terrorism before worldwide communications?
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 12:14 pm | #

What about the terrorism before worldwide communications?
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 12:14 pm | #

Since the 7th century they have terrorized their known world.
Mendell | 12.21.07 - 12:16 pm | #

With worldwide communications becoming commonplace, they realize they do not dominate the world.
Mendell | 12.21.07 - 12:12 pm | #
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In case you have never had a business class I'm going to give you a preview of something you will hear over and over.

Location - Location - location.
(Give it some sinking in time.)
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 12:18 pm | #

Will | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:10 pm

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20+ thousand people in a stadium agreeing with a guy telling them that the enemey is everywhere is most certainly a threat. It most certainly is not a Christian message of peace and love...

If a group of Muslims rented a stadium in a US city and did the same thing I would consider that a threat as well.

How many men did you see engaged in sodomy on the streets of SF? Is this something that occurs on a regular basis? Are there not laws that regulate that behavior? Seriously, if it's such a problem that decency laws aren't being enforced then go make a stand and get it fixed. If they were engaged in sodomy and screaming that everyone else was an enemy, I would see it as more of a threat.
Wonko the Sane | 12.21.07 - 12:20 pm | #

THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK. Here's another question: can you cite JUST ONE TIME in history in which a conventional army defeated a HOMEGROWN guerrilla insurgency? Rich S | 12.21.07 - 12:01 pm
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Iraq.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 12:22 pm | #

OMG,Woody,

So the troops are coming home by summer?
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 12:25 pm | #

Iraq.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 12:22 pm
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SOOOO. The US has won? They've defeated the enemy (whomever that is)?

Why are the troops still there?
john t | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:25 pm | #

Iraq.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 12:22 pm

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Great, we won!!!


what exactly did we win? Is it safe for me to go rent a condo in Iraq? Is it safe for an Iraqi to rent a condo in Iraq? Is life in Iraq better, worse, or the same as it was in 2002?

We may have taken out a despot and defeated an insrugency (we'll see) but really, for what? I'm not safer. GWB himself told us a month or so ago that Al Queida was alive and well and planning attacks on US soil....so, what is it that we won?
Wonko the Sane | 12.21.07 - 12:25 pm | #

According to Nowoody the 'War on Terror' has been won.
john t | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:26 pm | #

what exactly did we win? Is it safe for me to go rent a condo in Iraq?
Wonko the Sane | 12.21.07 - 12:25 pm
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Probably safer than renting a condo in the projects in New Orleans or Chicago.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 12:28 pm | #

Probably safer than renting a condo in the projects in New Orleans or Chicago.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 12:28 pm

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Really? When was the last suicide bombing in NO or Chicago?
Wonko the Sane | 12.21.07 - 12:30 pm | #

what exactly did we win? Is it safe for me to go rent a condo in Iraq? Is it safe for an Iraqi to rent a condo in Iraq?

Wonko the Sane | 12.21.07 - 12:25 pm
By most peoples standard Iraq has not been safe since man started gathering crops some 6000 years ago.
Mendell | 12.21.07 - 12:30 pm | #

Well--based on the recent posts, it looks like I've cornered Northwoods like a trapped rat.
Rich S | 12.21.07 - 12:30 pm | #

the 'War on Terror' has been won.
john t | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:26 pm
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Not yet. Iraq is just one front.

Our guys still have to raid a number of mud huts and shithole slum apartments throughout the world and shoot the murdering terrorist bastards in their beds.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 12:31 pm | #

Damn!! Think of all the money and lives that will be saved now that we have won. That starts ......when again?
gail | 12.21.07 - 12:31 pm | #

Mendell | 12.21.07 - 12:30 pm | #

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and since it's no safer now, I ask again....what did we win by "winning" the war in Iraq?
Wonko the Sane | 12.21.07 - 12:32 pm | #

"SOOOO. The US has won? They've defeated the enemy (whomever that is)?

Why are the troops still there?"
john t | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:25 pm | #


The answer can be spelled this way: O-I-L.
Rich S | 12.21.07 - 12:32 pm | #

Hannity and Limbaugh never told them what it meant to win in Iraq, or what it was we won, so they really don't have an answer.
Wonko the Sane | 12.21.07 - 12:33 pm | #

The answer can be spelled this way: O-I-L.
Rich S | 12.21.07 - 12:32 pm

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and thank Gawd for that..I'm enjoying all the money I've been saving at the gas pump.
Wonko the Sane | 12.21.07 - 12:34 pm | #

and since it's no safer now, I ask again....what did we win by "winning" the war in Iraq?
Wonko the Sane | 12.21.07 - 12:32 pm

Stability.
Mendell | 12.21.07 - 12:34 pm | #

Rich S | 12.21.07 - 12:32 pm

And...

until they find a way to take the oil with them...

there can b e no exit strategy....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:34 pm | #

Woody,

What's next,Indonesia?Egypt?Nigeria?How about Belgium,I hear the food is better.

But wait,you haven't told us yet when we're leaving Iraq,I mean ,sonce we've won and all.
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 12:34 pm | #

OOPS. I see now. We have to send troops "throughout the world". Sounds like the British Empire which became NOT an Empire that way.
gail | 12.21.07 - 12:35 pm | #

Stability.
Mendell | 12.21.07 - 12:34

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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

That is really funny, thanks, I needed a good laugh.
Wonko the Sane | 12.21.07 - 12:35 pm | #

Fox News, employer of last result for the discredited.
larp | 12.21.07 - 12:35 pm | #

The answer can be spelled this way: O-I-L.
Rich S | 12.21.07 - 12:32 pm
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Operation Iraqi Liberation...

Until they realized...what it spelled.
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 12:37 pm | #

Fox News, employer of last result for the discredited.
larp | 12.21.07 - 12:35 pm

Is that why they are getting so many applications from MSNBC employees?
Mendell | 12.21.07 - 12:38 pm | #

Mandel,

STABILITY?Haven't you been paying attention.Basra is in the control of Shi'ite militias allied with Iran.We've armed Sunni sheiks to fight Al-Q,but they are not allied to the central govt.And the Turks just bombed and invaded Kurdistan to try to root out Kurdish terrorists.My god,man,pay attention.
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 12:38 pm | #

We will have permanent bases in Iraq for decades. Get used to it.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 12:35 pm
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Then we will have permanent deaths of young American service personnel for decades.
larp | 12.21.07 - 12:38 pm | #

larp | 12.21.07 - 12:38 pm

And...

inspire people to join the ranks of terrorists for generations to come....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:40 pm | #

inspire people to join the ranks of terrorists for generations to come....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:40 pm |
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Nope. We will build a muslim Disneyland in Baghad, and you guys can even have a gay pride parade there. Why is your vison so dark?
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 12:43 pm | #

Steyn is one body with the mass of twelve angry men.
Kolchak | 12.21.07 - 12:45 pm | #

Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 12:43 pm

So...

if the Chinese were to invade and occupy the US....

you would just roll over and embrace them?
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:45 pm | #

Nope. We will build a muslim Disneyland in Baghad, and you guys can even have a gay pride parade there. Why is your vison so dark?
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 12:43 pm | #

Why are you guys wasting your time answering this mental midget?
FrankC | 12.21.07 - 12:45 pm | #

You looking forward to gay day at Baghdad Disney are you Woodsy?
larp | 12.21.07 - 12:46 pm | #

and endless conflict....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:43 pm
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Gloom and doom forever.

The Horror! The Horror!
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 12:46 pm | #

they did not have Iran with a vested interest in making the occupation of Iraq expensive if not impossible.

Anonymous | 12.21.07 - 12:42 pm

It appears that ran has backed down in their support. Iran has its own problems with angry residents.
Mendell | 12.21.07 - 12:46 pm | #

You looking forward to gay day at Baghdad Disney are you Woodsy?
larp | 12.21.07 - 12:46 pm
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Not really. But I know you are.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 12:46 pm | #

ran = Iran
Mendell | 12.21.07 - 12:47 pm | #

FrankC | 12.21.07 - 12:45 pm

Guess I'm feeling a bit like Cheney today...

shootin' a penned animal in a canned hunt....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:47 pm | #

Deleted. Off topic and childish personal attack.

Yawn.


Edited By Siteowner
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 12:48 pm | #

Hayduke,
Please take your shooting party to the Off Topic forum or elsewhere. When you're on my threads, IGNORE THE TROLLS.
Ellen | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:49 pm | #

Ellen | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:49 pm

Yes...

MOTHER!

;o)
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:50 pm | #

Go feed your kitties.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 10:35 am |

Go spend some quality time with your gerbils...trollboy
dog | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:51 pm | #

Thank you.
Ellen | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:52 pm | #

Good Lord, can we get back on topic?
Kolchak | 12.21.07 - 12:52 pm | #

Kolchak | 12.21.07 - 12:52 pm

Trouble is...

we established that Emerson is nothing but a neoconartist shill boy, oh, by about 9:00am or so....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 12:56 pm | #

This statement, from an article about Steve Emerson, summed up Emerson, Hannity, and Fox news:

Emerson belongs to a network of anti-Muslim pundits who, driven by bigotry and exclusivist ideology, are bent on marginalizing Muslim Americans, and using unscrupulous tactics to distort the image of Muslims and instill fear of Islam and Muslims in the American public. Their strategy is to repeat their unfounded accusations against mainstream Muslim organizations so as to create a public record and then use it to incite federal officials and agencies against Muslim Americans. The idea is that if they can repeat a lie long enough, and use different media outlets to propagate their accusations, the lie in time becomes "believable" and takes the semblance of "truth."

http://www.counterpunch.org/ safi...fi07022007.html

Fox's main MO is to keep repeating the lie (propaganda) over and over and over and over...Like what Hannity continues to do about Barack Obama's church. Fox relies on that old George Costanza axiom, "it's not a lie if you believe it" and Emerson is case and point!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 1:00 pm | #

If Emerson and Co demonize Islam,and the Islamic world believes that their rantings represent America,they may create the very thing they warn us of,WWIII.And won't they be happy then.
notveryhow | 12.21.07 - 1:00 pm | #

"Fox's main MO is to keep repeating the lie (propaganda) over and over and over and over...Like what Hannity continues to do about Barack Obama's church. Fox relies on that old George Costanza axiom, "it's not a lie if you believe it" and Emerson is case and point!"
claudo | 12.21.07 - 1:00 pm | #


Which is exactly why I will call Rupert Murdoch "Josef Goebbels II"
Rich S | 12.21.07 - 1:04 pm | #

"In a recent article published in the National Review Online (June 28, 2007) under the title "Radical Outreach: Bush coddles American apologists for radical Islam," Emerson lashes out against President Bush for appointing a special envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC). Emerson made it clear that he resents Bush's initiative, which is aimed at mending fences with the Muslim world, and fauls OIC for being critical of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians under military occupation"

http://www.counterpunch.org/ safi...fi07022007.html

Why is Emerson so against peace in the Middle East - oh, I forgot, the neocons and Fox News want an ongoing war (1984) and an ongoing enemy (Islam replacing communism for the right wing). As the great Elvis Costello sings "what's so funny about peace, love, and understanding"?

And meanwhile, does Emerson have children who are getting shipped back, as freight, to Dover AFB?
claudo | 12.21.07 - 1:05 pm | #

Terrorism is the new communism in America....former home of the brave.
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 1:09 pm | #

Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 1:09 pm

Along with the ACLU, gays, democrats, immigrants, minorities....and Hannity will splain it all for you.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 1:11 pm | #

Everyone should know one thing about anyone appearing on any of these shows as "experts." They are all getting paid by FOX NEWS and FOX NEWS does not pay an "expert" because he is going to side with liberal views about the war.
BILL CORCORAN
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Sorry, Bill. I'm pretty sure that's not true. I believe the FNC contributors get paid but, as far as I know, Emerson is not one. The other guests appear for free. It's great publicity, of course, and it legitimizes Emerson's terrorism "credentials." But I'm pretty sure he's not paid by FOX.
Ellen | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 1:11 pm | #

Terrorism is the new communism in America....former home of the brave.
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 1:09 pm |
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And defeatism is the new Democratic party in America -- former home of JFK.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 1:12 pm | #

Christmas Eve fish dinner at the home of friends.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 9:38 am
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Bacala?
(FrankC...pls correct my spelling!)
MLP | 12.21.07 - 1:15 pm | #

Emerson is yet another tool for Fox to use in its demonization of Islam. And although I don't always agree with Tom Friedman or Bernard Lewis, their understanding of the Middle East is deeper and less ideologically driven than Emerson's; but you won't see them on Fox. It's so refreshing to listen to Fareed Zacheria on the reality based network because he's another academic you won't see on Fox.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 1:16 pm | #

And defeatism is the new Democratic party in America -- former home of JFK.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 1:12 pm | #

JFK had a showdown with Russia over the shipping of missles to Cuba. That took guts.

Bush turned chickenshit to Turkey. They wanted him to back off the Armenian bill he did. They wanted him to turn over the airspace to attack the Kurds he did. The reason Bush is chickenshit is because he is scared that Turkey will not let the United States use Turkey as a supply line to Iraq. Turkey has Bush by the balls.
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 1:18 pm | #

Off topic.
Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 1:18 pm | #

With goofs like Emerson around, Jesus would quickly run out of cheeks to turn.
ufoshadow | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 1:19 pm | #

From the LA Times link:

Former federal prosecutor Thomas Melsheimer of Dallas said he was surprised by the outcome and thought the Justice Department should drop the case since it already had closed down the foundation.

"Look, the fact that a jury in a law-and-order state like Texas failed to convict a group of defendants that the government labeled as supporting terrorism is a stunning result," he said....

And neither Hannity nor Emerson are attorneys!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 1:20 pm | #

MLP | 12.21.07 - 1:15 pm | #

You almost had it, it's two c's, baccala' accent on the last a.
FrankC | 12.21.07 - 1:20 pm | #

Yeah, the surge will be working everyday for the next 50 years.
General Escape Goat | 12.21.07 - 1:20 pm | #

From the NY Times article:

David D. Cole, a professor of constitutional law at Georgetown University, said the jury’s verdict called into question the government’s tactics in freezing the assets of charities using secret evidence that the charities cannot see, much less rebut. When, at trial, prosecutors “have to put their evidence on the table, they can’t convict anyone of anything,” he said. “It suggests the government is really pushing beyond where the law justifies them going.”

Those darned Muslim coddling Jesuits at Georgetown!!!!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 1:24 pm | #

General Escape Goat | 12.21.07 - 1:20 pm | #

Could be longer than that. We fought the surge in the Phillipians for 60 years before we finally left. The Iraqis are proud people the reason Bush is Napalming them Torturing them Imprisoning them without charge is that he is hoping he can break their will. Oh and all the Iraqis had nothing to do with 911.
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 1:24 pm | #

Northwoods,
I thought you said you were leaving.

It's time to go. NOW.
Ellen | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 1:24 pm | #

Folks,
The topic is Emerson and the Holy Land Foundation trial and, most importantly, its coverage on FOX News.

If you want to talk about Iraq, please go to the Off Topic Forum.
Ellen | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 1:25 pm | #

In neither the LA Times nor the NYTimes article did I find mention of a jurist who claimed that s/he was "bullied."
claudo | 12.21.07 - 1:26 pm | #

Claudo,
If I understood the Hannity & Colmes report correctly, the juror was just recently uncovered by an investigation by - you guess it, Steve Emerson's outfit.
Ellen | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 1:31 pm | #

But I did find the "bullying" story here at "Jihad Watch" which is a program of David Horowitz's Freedom Center. More whining and playing the victim from those who preach taking responsibility for one's actions. Ironic, don't ya think? I am concerned for the safety of the juror who is being accused of the bullying as some of these Islamophobes have their own jihads which aren't exactly peaceful.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 1:35 pm | #

EXCLUSIVE IPT INVESTIGATION UNCOVERS HLF JURY ROOM BULLYING
by Michael Fechter
IPT News Service
December 10, 2007


DALLAS – She felt the men were guilty and tried to explain why to the 11 other jurors. When she finished, one juror spoke up in an angry tone.

"If you're going by the evidence in this room," she recalls him snapping, "then you need to go home."

The terrorism-support trial of five Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF) officials, which began July 24, already had been stressful for 49-year-old Kristina Williams. She had lost her job two weeks into it. Now during deliberations, she felt bullied and intimidated virtually every time she voiced an opinion

http://www.investigativeproject....org/article/ 569

Ya want some cheese with that whine?
claudo | 12.21.07 - 1:36 pm | #

FrankC | 12.21.07 - 1:20 pm

OT

It's Baccalao in Spanish...

but I call it "huacalao"....

huaca = "disgusting"

yukky
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 1:37 pm | #

Methinks there's some hyperbole, if not outright delusions, here:

About The Investigative Project on Terrorism
The Investigative Project on Terrorism (IPT) is a non-profit research group founded by Steven Emerson in 1995. It is recognized as the world's most comprehensive data center on radical Islamic terrorist groups. For more than a decade, the IPT has investigated the operations, funding, activities and front groups of Islamic terrorist and extremist groups in the United States and around the world. It has become a principal source of critical evidence to a wide variety of government offices and law enforcement agencies, as well as the U.S. Congress and numerous public policy forums. Research carried out by the IPT team has formed the basis for thousands of articles and television specials on the subject of radical Islamic involvement in terrorism, and has even led to successful government action against terrorists and financiers based in the United States.

The IPT accepts no funding from outside the United States, nor from any governmental agency or political institution. It has 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status with the IRS

http://www.investigativeproject....t.org/ about.php
claudo | 12.21.07 - 1:38 pm | #

And of course, Fox and the righties will accuse the MSM of ignoring this scathing expose - well, d'uhhhhhh!!!!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 1:39 pm | #

Terrorism is the new communism in America....former home of the brave.
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 1:09 pm | #

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Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 1:09 pm

Along with the ACLU, gays, democrats, immigrants, minorities....and Hannity will splain it all for you.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 1:11 pm | #


That is one of the major characteristics of FASCISM (i.e. Nazism):

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities, liberals, communists, socialists, terrorists, etc. (Missing white women and black, Hispanic and Muslim villains are a Fox News staple.)
Rich S | 12.21.07 - 1:40 pm | #

Here we go:

HOMELAND INSECURITY
Hamas-sympathizing juror behind terror mistrial
May have misled prosecutors during jury selection

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Posted: December 13, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com



Juror William Neal

A Hamas-sympathizing juror may have misled U.S. prosecutors about his neutrality during jury selection in the nation's largest terror-financing trial, investigators familiar with the case say

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ new...RTICLE_ID=59187

There should be no question as to why these xenophobic "journalists" have no credibility. Guess they have a problem with the American legal system. There's not even a pretence towards objectivity with these schmucks.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 1:45 pm | #

And of course, WND sources from Emerson:

Terror expert Steven Emerson of the IPT features a video clip of one juror who said, "I was pressured into voting the way they wanted me to vote."

And it becomes just one right wing circle jerk.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 1:48 pm | #

Billy Bob in the Appalacian Mountain knows more about terrorism than Emerson. Billy Bob also knows how to make moonshine.
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 2:32 pm | #

Northwoods,
Thanks to your obnoxious and mean-spirited attack on our wonderful and beloved Claudo, you have been set to automatic delete.
Ellen | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 2:35 pm | #

I'm really beginning to wonder if the fact that Islam has the same god as Christianity and Judaism is really what is bothering people like Emerson and seannie poo. It reminds me of the hatred being spewed by different sects within Christianity. And it makes no sense. Same god.

Is it how Muslims worship that bother people like that? Or is it that they're "funny looking people" who "don't know how to worship god."

Fear sure does seem to drive folks like Emerson and seannie poo. And that is not a good thing.

Shine up that Festivus Pole!
ufoshadow | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 2:41 pm | #

Comparing conservatives to nazis and fascists makes you sound crazy.

Northwoods | 12.21.07 - 3:21 pm
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Conservatives no longer exist in any numbers to count for anything.

Only Republicans exist and Republicans ARE the new Nazis. The Muslim Holocaust is no less significant than the Holocaust of the Jews.

Acknowledgment of that fact is not crazy, the denial of something that's right in your face, now that's crazy.
Abby | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 3:38 pm | #

Vince | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 3:37 pm | #
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I learned on my local news that we have 60,000 Muslims that live in my city of a million people. Currently they are celebrating a period of giving to the poor but I can't remember what it is called. It rotates with the lunar calendar.
Do you you happen to know the name of the celebration Vince?
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 3:43 pm | #

Patriot it's Eid something. Lots of controversy becaue they want to slaughter sheep everywhere.
Vince | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 3:49 pm | #

dogcatcher | 12.21.07 - 3:45 pm
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Like I said:
Acknowledgment of that fact is not crazy, the denial of something that's right in your face, now that's crazy.
Abby | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 3:38 pm
Abby | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 3:50 pm | #

Abby | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 3:38 pm

Always with the "America hating" (notice the misogyny of the reference) - just like Hannity and the right wing. But why is one required to "love" America (right or wrong) and what does this "love" entail - blind obedience? But as Dean told Jon Stewart, in a discussion of his new book, today's "authoritarian" republican party is the beginning of the slippery slope to fascism. The late, great Senator John Chaffee was a republican and would be appalled at today's republicans and Fox News.
claudo | 12.21.07 - 3:52 pm | #

Patriot it's Eid something. Lots of controversy becaue they want to slaughter sheep everywhere.
Vince | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 3:49 pm | #
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OK thanks. Our news presented it as a desire to help the poor.
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 3:52 pm | #

Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 3:52 pm

The Islamophobia of Sean Hannity and those who believe as he does is offensive and divisive. But that's Fox News. Some religions are better than others and some Americans are better than others. Real attempt at "uniting" there!!!!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 3:54 pm | #

Some religions are better than others and some Americans are better than others. Real attempt at "uniting" there!!!!
claudo | 12.21.07 - 3:54 pm | #
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Yes, as if pointing out mistakes, flaws and hypocrisy is anti American, blame America first and unpatriotic.

To the contrary...it's as American as it gets.
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 4:00 pm | #

s a former reporter, I would love to sitdown with Steve Emerson and ask him how he gets so much information on terrorism when he never leaves the United States?
BILL CORCORAN | 12.21.07 - 11:52 am | #
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Bill- as a former reporter you'd probably be able to dig up the name of emerson's proctologist who'd likely be real familiar with Emerson's major source.
donquijotesrocket | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 4:09 pm | #

I'm confronted on a way more regular basis by Christians who totally miss Christ's point.....by people who say "Merry Christmas" like it's a dare. I see/hear of Christians carroling out in front of a store while wearing t-shirts with anti-gay slogans...of screaming Hitleresque rallies in stadiums where preachers in front of jumbo-trons with flashing crosses telling the crowd that everyone outside the stadium is the enemy.....I don't see radical Muslims doing that in the US.
Wonko the Sane | 12.21.07 - 12:00 pm | #
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There is that, and there is a class of extraterrestrial objects called potentially hazardous asteroids. I'm more concerned about either of these phenomena than I am of the terrifying specters that haunt the dreams of so many of our latex knicker wearing wingnut trolls.
donquijotesrocket | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 4:20 pm | #

Yes, as if pointing out mistakes, flaws and hypocrisy is anti American, blame America first and unpatriotic.

To the contrary...it's as American as it gets.
Patriot Actor | 12.21.07 - 4:00 pm
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That "blame America first" hammer is used to ensure that America is NEVER be blamed - even when it's America that's to blame.

I have a feeling that when Bin Laden talked about destroying America, he was not talking about filling up the Grand Canyon or leveling the Rocky mountains to the ground or anything along those lines.

When he saw Bush at work, Bin Laden mush have crawled into a cave somewhere and cried his eyes out because there was no America left for him to destroy.
Abby | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 4:21 pm | #

Abby | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 4:21 pm | #

No kidding Bush will get all the credit for destroying America. Remeber when we used to be able to make a phone call without being spied on? Remember when we felt good that habeus corpus meant something? Remember when we had a judicial system that ruled by law and not by politics? Remember when we used to believe the country was ours? Well Bush took all that and much more away.
Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 4:26 pm | #

Free Speech | 12.21.07 - 4:26 pm
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Yep. The good old days. Truth, Justice and all that anti-American crap.

Now we're a Nation of Laws - but only as far as illegal immigration is concerned. For everything else, from torture to holding Americans indefinitely without the benefit of trial to outing a CIA agent in war time to the invasion of an innocent country and the murder of millions of it's citizens, the "law" is very flexible and where it's not flexible, well, Bush has a signing statement for that.

Hate America? America is what America does. What America are we talking about?
Abby | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 4:52 pm | #

"For everything else, from torture to holding Americans indefinitely without the benefit of trial to outing a CIA agent in war time to the invasion of an innocent country and the murder of millions of it's citizens, the "law" is very flexible and where it's not flexible, well, Bush has a signing statement for that."
Abby | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 4:52 pm | #


Keep in mind these words from G.W. Bush (i.e. Der Fuehrer) after getting awarded the White House by his daddy's pals on the Supreme Court in December 2000: "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
Rich S | 12.21.07 - 5:16 pm | #

Rich S | 12.21.07 - 5:16 pm
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:) The sad part is that it IS a dictatorship right now (or as close as it can get in America) and he and the country he leads are still focked.

Democracies are not easy and are always a mess while dictatorships ARE always easier but what Bush does not realize (surprise, surprise) is that it's essential that the dictator-wannabe has at least one pair of working brain cells.
Abby | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 5:37 pm | #

"...but what Bush does not realize (surprise, surprise) is that it's essential that the dictator-wannabe has at least one pair of working brain cells."
Abby | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 5:37 pm | #

Hey Abby--I hope you haven't forgotten that Bush's "brain" is Karl Rove. :-)
Rich S | 12.21.07 - 6:24 pm | #

Rich S | 12.21.07 - 6:24 pm
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True that, but that's one and it takes two to make a pair. :)
Abby | Homepage | 12.21.07 - 6:38 pm | #

exactly donquijotes. as soon as I read it I knew Vince would be all over this thread.

Bullying jurors. for chrissakes. are they grownups or not??? I am supposed to feel sorry for the jurors???? Or are they maybe being paid to speak out. Or maybe they just want some TV time eh?

Now we cant even trust the jury system. Now we may have to retry all those cases on death row right now because jurists may have been intimidated.

Should we can the whole judicial system????

Every time a verdict doesnt come back pro necon we will have to retry the case.......rolls eyes
hoode | 12.21.07 - 9:12 pm | #

WTF?

This is proof positive that these Islamic terrorists should not be charged within the US court system.

Experts, like Emerson, should review the cases and decide upon the proper course of extreme punishment!

Whatever you think of Emerson, you have to admit that Allen Colmes is goof.

Come on.

He's a goof, and you know it.

;)
Jolly Old Saint NicK | Homepage | 12.22.07 - 5:29 am | #

Of course Alan Colmes is a goof. He is the Fox house liberal. He says whatever they want him to say.
JPark | 12.23.07 - 2:28 am | #

Sorry, but I have to disagree. I thought Colmes handled this discussion perfectly. He exposed Emerson's underlying agenda and turned him into a blubbering idiot. That was not FNC's agenda. Take a look at the way this discussion is presented on hannityandcolmes.com and you'll see that FNC very much intended to promote Emerson's message as credible and significant.
Ellen | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:21 pm | #

Ignore everything I say.

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Rocky Lore | 12.23.07 - 4:49 pm | #

NO Rocky yer wrong
as always. We are against fighting terrorism POORLY. We are against fighting terrorists as a GUISE for PNAC.

there are many ways to fight terrorism. with an army is about the worst way possible unless you have 20 times the forcer size we have and then insist you move out when you have actually DEFEATED the terrorists
hoode | 12.23.07 - 5:53 pm | #

Now we cant even trust the jury system. Now we may have to retry all those cases on death row right now because jurists may have been intimidated.

Should we can the whole judicial system????
hoode | 12.21.07 - 9:12 pm

It might be good to have paid professional jurors, who have degrees in adjudication, which would include law courses, especially constitutional law, in their curriculum. Following college, jurors could be certified by exams in a similar way that CPA's or engineers are certified by the state. As it stands now, the typical panel of jurors is selected for not being very bright and thus easily manipulated.
Bato | 12.24.07 - 10:40 pm | #

Its the same system we have used for a LONG time. PEERS doesnt mean only the educated. Only the rich. Only people with law degrees.

It certainly isnt perfect.

I have been on more than a few juries. I didnt find any of the people less than reasonably intelligent.
I didn't see many of them manipulated by lawyers either. Of course I am sure it DOES happen occasionally. I saw no one "bullied" by other jurors on any jury I was involved with.
hoode | 12.28.07 - 8:54 pm | #