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Good morning Bill.

Another fine post as usual.

Thought I would say thanks before the usual trolls start attacking you.

Hope you have a good Festive season.

Cheers.
Oklad B.C. Canada | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:40 am | #

Millions of Iraqi children need help now: UNICEF report
Last Updated: Friday, December 21, 2007 | 12:28 PM ET

"Children are also the victims of violence, frequently caught in the crossfire of fighting, said the report, called Little Respite for Iraq's Children in 2007.

About 1,350 children were detained by authorities in 2007, "many for alleged security violations" while only 28 per cent of 17-year-olds took their school-leaving exams this year, it said."

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/20...n- children.html

Merry Christmas kids. :(
Oklad B.C. Canada | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:55 am | #

BILL,

you forgot one of the most important stories!

yOU kNOUU///

About houu the reporting from earock is biased, and all!/?

Anyuuay, here's a link regarding the sectarian fauxtographer, BiLaL Hussein:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ 20071..._photographer_3

Plus, didn't Harry Reid just recently admit that surge was working.*

I believe he did.

No question mark cuz that's not a question.
Jolly Old Saint NicK | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:39 am | #

I don't think that one either will be reported by Fox News :
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/...tory/ 23552.html
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 6:52 am | #

Mr. Forward = Uber Troll

Mr. Forward | 12.23.07 - 6:55 am | #

Will Fox Report the following 20 times a day on Christmas?

http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.c...ion-part- i.html

When I say and repeat that you, Americans have destroyed everything in Iraq, I am met with scorn and anger.

Some of you are too simplistic and equate destruction with buildings in ruins.

Having a limited a vision, you can’t go beyond the material, the physical...

I reiterate, you Americans have destroyed everything in Iraq. And I mean EVERYTHING.

Since 1958 until 2003, Iraq, its government and its people strove relentlessly to build a modern nation state.

The biggest developmental boom took place under the Baath regime and in particular under Saddam Hussein. Like it or not.

In 1972, the oil was nationalized. By 1982, illiteracy and preventable diseases were eradicated.

Education including higher education was free of charge. The government would disburse 5000 grants yearly for postgraduate studies abroad to England, Germany, Russia, France...
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 8:41 am | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 8:46 am | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 8:48 am | #

No specious or plausible pleas about a "war for democracy" can becloud the issue. Democracy can not be shot into a nation. It must come spontaneously and purely from within.

The following link tells us how we have been conned.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2.../12/ 388390.html

The Iraq agenda was so important to the Bush administration that the White House had even formed “an interagency” ‘Iraq Public Diplomacy group’ comprised of NSC, CIA, Pentagon, State and USAID staffers.” The Iraq Public Diplomacy Group created the ‘Iraqi Voices for Freedom’ - voices which spoke of Saddam’s brutality and torture, while they made themselves available for interviews, especially to foreign press (non-American). In addition to this, a public relations firm, the Rendon Group, helped create the Iraqi National Congress (INC) in order to promote ‘the democratic voice of Iraq’. This firm helped President Bush sell the war to the public by linking Iraq to al-Qaeda and presenting Saddam Hossein as an imminent threat. They repeatedly linked Saddam and the shocking pictures of the Twin Towers with Saddam Hossein, where there was no link,; but this was accomplished by sheer repetition. False allegations of his capability to launch WMD in 45 minutes was imbedded in the minds of the masses by showing video clips of 1988 chemical attack on the Kurds of Halabja in an attempt to convince people that an attack against Saddam was to defeat evil.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 8:54 am | #

Bush conning us into this illegal war created the fate of this Iraqi teenager.

http://www.spiegel.de/ internatio...,524425,00.html

Many of the insurgents building bombs and carrying out attacks in Iraq are hate-filled teenagers. Diya Muhammad Hussein, 16, is one of them ...
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 9:02 am | #

Jesus, Vince,can you say monomania.

If you were around in 1960,you'd have pissed your pants every time they tested the Civil Defence sirens.
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 9:11 am | #

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:46 am |

So what you're saying is that Bill C left out things in Iraq that Faux should've covered but didn't, eh?
Perhaps you should write Faux and tell them to report what is going on in Iraq.

Wait, is that website the one that was found to be attributing certain attacks to Muslims that had nothing to do with them (including, IIRC, a killing by an American soldier)? Are there not enough attacks by Islamic Conservatives that they need to be inflated?

I think Free Speech would probably appreciate it if a jerk-off like you didn't speak for him/her.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:23 am | #

"Dear Santa: As you make your rounds dropping off presents, please don't forget the brave young men and women journalists in Iraq who risk their lives on a daily basis to keep Americans informed on what is really taking place in Iraq."
BILL CORCORAN

Your wish must be working. Many of the reporters are wondering the streets without body armor. Good Job.
Mendell | 12.23.07 - 9:26 am | #

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 9:26 am | #

The following scenario is the best way to understand Mendell and the trolls.

Mendell comes home to find his wife and Bush Jr, naked together in bed. Just as Mendell is about to open his mouth, Bush jumps out of bed and says, "Before you say anything, old pal, what are you going to believe, me or your eyes?"

Mendell quickly answers, "why I'll believe you."
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 9:29 am | #

I was thinking that the concept of paying off the insurgents for a time is actually a good one. We've done this before in history, successfully I believe; it's essentially what we should be doing in Afghanistan.
While this would be somewhat cruel, it is good strategy to allow status quo to occur in all parts of the country except one. Then after you've helped fix some of the problems in that area you expand your 'coverage' if you will to another.
So, yes, pay off some insurgents now. Then take out a small part of them while still paying off the others, and so on. Eventually, the others will get wise but, hopefully, it'll be too late.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:29 am | #

Dream on Marie, dream on. Like my pa used to tell me when I was a lad, "Want don't always get."
dinkface | 12.23.07 - 9:29 am | #

So what you're saying is that Bill C left out things in Iraq that Faux should've covered but didn't, eh?
Perhaps you should write Faux and tell them to report what is going on in Iraq.

That isn't what I said.

>Wait, is that website the one that was found to be attributing certain attacks to Muslims that had nothing to do with them (including, IIRC, a killing by an American soldier)? Are there not enough attacks by Islamic Conservatives that they need to be inflated?

No

>I think Free Speech would probably appreciate it if a jerk-off like you didn't speak for him/her.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:23 am | #

I think Free Speech would probably appreciate it if a jerk-off like you didn't speak for it.
Vince P | 12.23.07 - 9:29 am | #

Vince,

I,m not arguing,or trying to divert you.(God knows that would be pointless.)Just making an observation IMHO.
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 9:30 am | #

If the main fear in the world is Islamo-cons,it would seem rather counterproductive to smash a secular state,even if it is run by a strong armed dictator.I mean,it isn't like we haven't cozied up to thuggish dictators before.
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 9:33 am | #

I believe that the whole point of Bill Cocorans post is to remind the World that "the surge is working", can be roughly translated to "we are still in the shit, but not sinking as fast".
Danish Doctor | 12.23.07 - 9:36 am | #

Argument rejected: Ad Hominem
Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:31 am | #

Wrong you are Vince. The joke speaks to the very heart of British empiricist philosophy - the question of what sort of information about the world we can depend on.

You depend entirely on the propanganda. Didn't your read my post above? the one with this link:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2.../12/ 388390.html
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 9:36 am | #

Ignore them and they will go away.

Article published Sunday, December 23, 2007
Attacks in Algeria

TWO car bomb attacks in Algeria's capital, which killed at least 31, may be signaling an upsurge in Islamic extremist activity outside the usual venues.

Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, the terrorist organization that claimed credit for the suicide bombings in Algiers, has been around under different names since at least 1998, but what was new and disquieting about last week's attacks were the targets.

One was the building housing Algeria's Constitutional Council, which oversees elections. The other was the offices of various United Nations bodies, including the U.N. Development Program and the World Food Program, which clearly benefit the people of Algeria.

In claiming responsibility for the carnage, al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb referred to the agencies as "the Crusaders and their agents, the slaves of America and the sons of France," Algeria's former colonial master.
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...ION02/ 712230303
Mendell | 12.23.07 - 9:40 am | #

That isn't what I said.

I don't think Vinnie understands the irony of my post ("So what you're saying is ... you didn't speak for").

However, logically it follows that if
p) You think Bill "is giving incomplete data about the enemy attacks", and
q) Bill is reporting on what Faux did and didn't report about Iraq, then
r) You must think Faux "is giving incomplete data about the enemy attacks"
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:40 am | #

BTW, I don't get this. Vince P is shown to be a raving anti-Muslim yet I noticed he uses 'jihadis' more than once. Now unless there is something I don't know, there is no such word as 'jihadi' or 'jihadis', though there is 'jihadist'. Is this just another made up word by a bunch of illiterate red-necks, like 'nukular', 'furrin', and "islamo-fascist"?
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:34 am | #

Argument Rejected: Premise "Jihadi is not a word" is false.

Jihadi (n) is in the Oxford English Dictionary.

Edited By Siteowner
Vince P | 12.23.07 - 9:43 am | #

Jeebus, please let knuckle draggers like this Vince P. person realize they are on the losing end of a wave that started when a criminal administration lied to a once great nation and invaded another country on fictional data concerning weapons that didn't exist with an agenda for colonization and control of natural resources that are not our own. Please baby Jeebus, bless the mouth breathers with temperance and understanding to see they are the appendix of organs in the American body. Please baby Jeebus, let Vince P, DJK, Kevin, Enrico, 2008, and all the other little trolls find something constructive they can do that will benefit society and help them end their perpetual self embarassment. And please baby Jeebus, protect the people in Iraq from the crazies and the violent so that we can all have a brighter and more optimistic new year. And lastly for now baby Jeebus, please bring our US soldiers home as fast as possible.

Amon.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:43 am | #

notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 9:42 am | #

Vince P is one of those who would turn in their neighbors as possible "reds" and pray for the return of the "old ways".
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:45 am | #

12/21/2007 Iraq al-Salam 1 2 Jihadis manage to kill one child with a mortar attack on a residential neighborhood.
12/21/2007 Iraq Yusufiya 5 8 A suicidal Sunni takes out five Iraqis in a bombing.
12/20/2007 Iraq Baghdad 3 27 Fundamentalists bomb a liquor store, killing three passersby.
12/20/2007 Iraq Kanaan 12 28 A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills a dozen people at a Sunni council meeting.
12/18/2007 Iraq Mosul 10 2 Yazidi tribesman are the target of radical Sunnis, who manage to kill ten.
12/18/2007 Afghanistan Farah 15 9 Fifteen Afghans guarding a fuel tanker are murdered in cold blood by a Taliban ambush.
12/18/2007 Iraq Baquba 2 15 Children are among the casualites as a suicide bomber detonates along a city street.
12/18/2007 Iraq Abbara 16 28 Sixteen people sitting in a caf ï¿½ are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
12/18/2007 Iraq Baghdad 7 12 Jihadis take out seven Iraqis in multiple attacks, including a university professor.
12/17/2007 Afghanistan Uruzgan 5 0 A bicycle bomber murders a family of five, including three children.

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:46 am | #

So Vinnie Pee is telling us there's violence in Iraq and Afghanistan? Big freaking discovery there sport, isn't that what Bill has been telling us all along?
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 9:49 am | #

Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 6:52 am | #

This is a good story. I'm convinced there is a connection between our national security and the literacy rates of Iraqi chlidren. Who were far more literate prior to 2003.
Anonymous | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:50 am | #

FrankC | 12.23.07 - 9:49 am | #

Well, every nation is violent. Including the US. I'm not sure what point our point-headed little troll is trying to make today. He is certainly a Muslim hater, that much is true. Beyond that, all I can say is

Argument Rejected: Source is an Asshole
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:53 am | #

Watch what you say to Vinnie Pee folks, or else he'll sue you for slander (Heavy Sarcasm)
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 9:53 am | #

Argument Rejected: Source is an Asshole
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:53 am

Ah, the only correct rejection of an argument this morning!
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:54 am | #

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 9:54 am | #

FrankC | 12.23.07 - 9:49 am | #

But you are supposed to say all is well in Iraq. You are supposed to ignore anything that does not fit the script.

However, as you are aware, part of being an adult and an aware citizen is finding out BOTH the good and bad events and then deciding whether this is the right course of action to take. I have come to the conclusion this is and has been a disaster.

As for the video, Bush Jr flipping the bird is completely in character. He has done this for 7 years. Yet, we STILL have folks who bend over for him.
Anonymous | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:55 am | #

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 9:54 am | #

Oh stop, King of Ignorance. You could just as easily writh "Where there is Christianity, there is violence"

Religion in the hands of the bigoted and ignorant usually breeds violence.

Argument Rejected: Source is an Asshole
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:56 am | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 9:56 am | #

"Where there is Christianity, there is violence"
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:56 am

ya beat me to it.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:57 am | #

Shit what happened??
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:58 am | #

Argument Rejected: Premise "Jihadi is not a word" is false.

Jihadi (n) is in the Oxford English Dictionary.
Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:43 am |

Man, don't be dissin' me!

I suppose dis/diss is an actual word? It is certainly in many dictionaries. Words are often in dictionaries because they are popularly used, or in your case used by some, that does not make them words. Do you understand what a neologism is?
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:59 am | #

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 9:59 am | #

"All Iraqi Groups Blame U.S. Invasion for Discord, Study Shows"

Not surprising. I've been saying for years, if you want the violence to go down, stop doing it!

"Iraq rejects permanent U.S. bases"

Also not surprising, but I don't think the Bushies will take no for an answer.
Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:00 am | #

We have military troops in the Philippines. Why does Bill heartlessly omit them ? Are they any less valuable as Americans because theyâ€™re in East Asia?
Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:56 am | #

Iraq is under occupation, The Philippines are not, Argument Rejected: Source is an Asshole
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:00 am | #

TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:00 am | #

Thanks, it sounds truer in stereo.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:03 am | #

C'mon trolls, BRING IT ON. All we see from the other side is whining and rationalizations about Islam to justify OUR invasion of iraqnam. You guys KNOW our actions in the last 5 years have nothing to do with religion. Do tell how your certain everything is great in this area of the world. What is your end??

Don't you all realize the POTUS just flipped you the bird. Why support someone who did this to you??
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:08 am | #

13 figures for this war to make vietnam avoiders feel butch over 30 years later while saying SCHIP is too expensive
jr | 12.23.07 - 10:09 am | #

Vince,

I think you helped make Bill's point that fox is ignoring violence in Iraq?Perhaps you could address your point to Mendel,in his 9:26 am post he implies that the situation in Iraq is just honky dory.

Are you arguing that the Muslem insurgency in the Phillipines has the same goal as the "Brotherhood"in Egypt does,that there are no local or regional political issues that are driving actions?
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:10 am | #

notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:10 am | #

Mendel is Vinnie's sock puppet, he would need to talk to himself.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:12 am | #

FrankC 10:12 am

Wouldn't be the first time.
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:16 am | #

I think Free Speech is saying that it would be better if the Iraqis were living under Saddam Hussein , and being brutalized systematically by the government as well as living in squaler due to the UN Economic Sanctions.
Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:48 am

As opposed to how they are living now? Holy shit get off the koolaid.
NChomsky | 12.23.07 - 10:17 am | #

The topic is Iraq. Deleted. Of topic.

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:19 am | #

Denial is not an option.
Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:19 am

No DeNile is a river in Egypt. This post is about Iraq and as usual Bill C has done a great job. It isn't about the other "honour killings".
NChomsky | 12.23.07 - 10:21 am | #

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:19 am | #

And killings (honor or otherwise) don't happen in predominantly Christian countries? This guy is the epitome of irrelevance.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:22 am | #

The liberal media ignores the good news coming out of Iraq:

1) Two million Iraqi children face disease, poverty.

2) We have found our future Bin Laden/Saddam Hussein.

All I want for Christmas is a Bush-loving pro-war media that informs about the situation in Iraq to replace this liberal media that hides the truth about Iraq.
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:22 am | #

Mendel

Do you have a way to end honor killings,or are you just bringing it up to show how "evil"1.2 billion Muslims are?
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:22 am | #

"Iraq rejects permanent U.S. bases"

Oooh, now we starting to get to the REAL reasons.

Three others:
1. oil
2 currency of the dollar vice euros
3. iraqnam/iran oil deal.
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:26 am | #

notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:22 am | #

Nah it is simple. These folks just want to kill ALL muslims. Or more to the point, have SOMEONE else do it, like the US military.
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:28 am | #

Yes we do again have troops in the Philippines.

It sounds like we are going about things there like we did in Nam.

What does the region have that America is interested in???? OIL AND CHINA. GASP WHAT A SHOCK!!!

Try to dig a little deeper than the obvious headlines people throw at you. The headlines are dispensed many time to cover up why we are REALLY interested in a region. WE are attempting to get permanent bases back in the region on the island of Mindanao.

There is a small group of thugs pretending to be aligned with Islam.... in fact for years all they have been doing is harassing and demanding money to stop. In other words....extortion.

he U.S. has been very unhappy since we were thrown out of Clark AFB and have been seeking a way to get bases back in the region somewhere.

This band of rebels is the excuse they need.
As usual our intentions are never as clear as the headlines would like us to believe.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 10:30 am | #

Great post (as usual) Bill....

Remainder deleted. Off topic.
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:30 am | #

Off topic.

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:30 am | #

TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:28 am | #

Think of it as this way. If all Americans were to live the lifestyle of the Amish tomorrow there will be a gun to our head via US miltiary to get off our horses and back into the car. It called tough love from the oil companies.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 10:31 am | #

Mendel,

Do you have a point with your posts?
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:33 am | #

Mendel,

Do you have a point with your posts?
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:33 am | #

I'm assuming that's a rhetorical question.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:34 am | #

Do you have a point with your posts?
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:33 am

Violence is a way of life in all Muslim countries.

Note from MT: Violence is a way of life in America as well.

Edited By Siteowner
Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:35 am | #

No To Hijab: Honour Killing
Is Terrorism

By Taj Hashmi

18 December, 2007
Countercurrents.org

The latest ghastly murder of sixteen-year-old Aqsa in Toronto is another spine chiller; not only because the way her Muslim father killed her but also because she fell victim to a grossly misconstrued belief nourished, promoted and encouraged by millions of obscurantist custodians of Islam. It is shocking that what ignorant Muslims have been doing with impunity in the so-called Muslim World – killing and victimizing weak and innocent in the name of Islam – can also happen in Canada and other civilized countries. This is a wakeup call for everybody who wants to protect life, property and honor of all human beings, everywhere.
Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:08 am

USA - Domestic Violence Statistics

85-95% of all domestic violence victims are female.

Over 500,00 women are stalked by an intimate partner each year.

5.3 million women are abused each year.

1,232 women are killed each year by an intimate partner.

Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women.

Women are more likely to be attacked by someone they know rather than by a stranger.

Where's the outrage Mendell?
Scottish Mike | 12.23.07 - 10:36 am | #

notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:33 am

...to serve as an example of unbridled ignorance...

at which he excells....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:36 am | #

Violence is a way of life in all Muslim countries.
Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:35 am | #

===================

so of course we should kill them all.

YOU DO know of course that we have more people in jail for violent crimes than any nation on the planet right????? I guess we better go to war with ourselves.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 10:38 am | #

Cut & Paste.

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 10:39 am | #

I repeat my earlier statement: Mendell: The epitome of irrelevance.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:39 am | #

I'll let Dennis Prager speak for me because he's as much an idiot as I am.

FIXED

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:39 am | #
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:41 am | #

Violence is a way of life in all Muslim countries.
Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:35 am | #

Murder Rate Totals

#1 India: 37,170
#2 Russia: 28,904
#3 Colombia: 26,539
#4 South Africa: 21,995
#5 Mexico: 13,829
#6 United States: 12,658
#7 Venezuela: 8,022
#8 Thailand: 5,140
#9 Ukraine: 4,418
#10 Indonesia: 2,204
#11 Poland: 2,170
#12 France: 1,051
#13 Belarus: 1,013
#14 Germany: 960
#15 Korea, South: 955
#16 Zimbabwe: 912
#17 Jamaica: 887
#18 United Kingdom: 850
#19 Zambia: 797
#20 Italy: 746
#21 Yemen: 697
#22 Japan: 637
#23 Romania: 560
#24 Malaysia: 551
#25 Spain: 494

Is that right Mendell?
Scottish Mike | 12.23.07 - 10:41 am | #

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:39 am | #

Argument rejected: Biased source
Scottish Mike | 12.23.07 - 10:43 am | #

Is that right Mendell?
Scottish Mike | 12.23.07 - 10:41 am | #

WOW look at all the muslim countries that didn't crack the top 20, proving once again that Mendell, Vinnie Pee's sock puppet is irrelevant.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:46 am | #

And as usuall......PEE must let someone else do his thinking and writing for him.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 10:51 am | #

Vince, define "Leftist" for me please. Oh please. Make it Satan's little Christmas gift from big ole Santa Vince. Oh please. Pretty please.

Don't be a Grinch now.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:51 am | #

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:39 am | #

David Prager is doing harm to the history of Fascism. To borrow that word from the past and put it on a region with an entirely different culture and geopolitical makeup mocks the very meaning of fascism.

The reason whores like Prager use Fascism in conjuction with the Middle East is because we western use the word fascism as a derogatory term.

Islamo fascism is derogatory and doesn't educate us on the realities of the region.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 10:53 am | #

Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:44 am | #

Appealing to and using whackozoid talk show hosts is surprisingly common with loons like Vince P. They listen to that shit, eat it up day after day, and imagine in their world that the turd with the microphone has an audience of MILLIONS of listeners hanging on their every word. Driving down the street nodding to himself while listening to these radio-lunatics people like Vincy see other people nodding to the music and imagine they've just heard the same thing said (they have to be listening to the same talk radio show of course) and bingo, dozens of strangers suddenly agree with his mania of the moment.

Vince P, his sockepuppets, and the other trolls who site talk radio as a source or use it in an argument deserve pity and a small degree of caution. They are mentally ill.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:55 am | #

If I understand well, Fox News isn't expected to give all the news, and isn't obligated to do so, while Bill Corcoran is expected to give all the news, and is obrligated to do so.

Good !
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 10:55 am | #

I wonder why FOX NEWS didn't report this?

U.S. soldier killed, 11 wounded in Iraq bombings

http://news.xinhuanet.com/ englis...ent_7295139.htm

www.chinaview.cn 2007-12-22 17:40:26

Special report: Tension escalates in Iraq

BAGHDAD, Dec. 22 (Xinhua) -- An American soldier was killed and 11 others were wounded when two roadside bomb attacks hit their vehicles in northern Iraq, the U.S. military said on Saturday.

The attack took place when the soldier's unit was conducting combat operations in Kirkuk province on Friday, a military statement said.

The wounded soldiers were transported to a military medical facility for treatment, the statement added.

The latest death brings the number of U.S. soldier who have been killed in Iraq to more than 3,895 since the U.S.-led invasion broke out in 2003, according to media count based on Pentagon figures.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 10:57 am | #

Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 10:53 am

Islamo fundamentalists...

is a much more appropriate term....

fundamentalism is fundamentalism regardless of your particular stripe
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:58 am | #

Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:55 am | #

Good post. It is known as Manufactured Consent.

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Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 10:58 am | #

oh the sad irony that we can get unbiased Iraq war news from a CHINESE source ...

Baby Jeebus help us!
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:59 am | #

Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:58 am |

You are on target. I agree with you there.

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Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 10:59 am | #

Vince P, his sockepuppets, and the other trolls who site talk radio as a source or use it in an argument deserve pity and a small degree of caution. They are mentally ill.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:55 am | #

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Very well stated. These assclowns on talk radio are laughing all the way to the bank at the ridiculous loyalty these people give them

And yes I do state the same thing about the lib talkers too. They are all entertainers......paid to get you all excited and worried about whoever they point their fingers at.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 10:59 am | #

Just wanted to say another excellent article Bill.

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Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 11:01 am | #

That is precisely what brainwashed fools do....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:01 am | #

Exhibited by the fact that if you refute them, an easily attained task, they start to cite ratings.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 11:03 am | #

Why doesn't FOX NEWS ever tell about the plight of the IRAQI children since the U.S. invaded and occupied their country.

It is not a pretty picture as you will read here:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/ englis...ent_7291067.htm
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:03 am | #

FrankC | 12.23.07 - 11:03 am

Touché, amigo.

And without the slightest hint of comprehension or...

context.
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:04 am | #

If BAGHDAD is as safe as FOX NEWS says it is, I wonder why this happened.....

http://news.xinhuanet.com/ englis...ent_7295969.htm
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:04 am | #

Should I congratulate Vince and Mendell because they try to inform themselves, or not, because they only pick informations that strengthens their prejudices ? They seem to make a habit of considering all crimes committed by Muslims, or in a muslim country, as being a consequence of Islam.

Do they know that there are honor killings in non-muslims societies (hindu, notably) ?

Do they know that in Kazakhstan, an islamic country, they eat pork, don't veil women, don't practice polygamy, don't practice sharia ?

Do they know that in the muslim Targui tribe, wome, and men are equal, and women keep their properties, and can chose their husband, and divorce at will ?

Do they know that Ismaelians, Sufis, druzes, have never been a problem ?

Do they know that in fact, only a tiny minority of muslims (wahabis) is a real problem ? And that they are generally funded by the US's best friend in the Middle east, Saudi Arabia ?

Do they know they don't know much ?
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 11:05 am | #

There's no doubt the loony liberal talk show hosts do the same thing. The history of US domestic terrorism shows a definite lean to the right wing. There is something about the right-wingers that makes it more common for them to go off the nut and attack their fellow Americans. I'm thinking that their own twisted ideas of what they deserve in life opposed to what other people (are perceived to be) are taking away from them - or given to them by "liberal" causes like welfare and other gov services - fills them with anger and ultimately the desire for revenge. Some of them snap and act on those desires at some point. They never examine the fact that they've usually squandered their opportunities in life, or pursued THINGS that ultimately were of far less value than originally perceived.

Like I said. They are mentally ill. When you identify one make sure you know where they are at, so to speak, if they are a neighbor or associate.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:07 am | #

This is what happened SUNDAY in IRAQ, but FOX NEWS elected not to cover any of these events...

Reported Security Incidents

Baghdad

Roadside bomb kills two civilians, wounds two in Zaafaraniya district of southern Baghdad.

Police find two bodies dumped in different places.

Roadside bomb targets joint U.S.-Iraqi patrol. No casualties reported.

Iraqi security forces announce the arrest of 20 men in the ongoing security crackdown.

Mahmoudiya (I think)

Two officers and four soldiers of the Sahwa tribal forces were killed in a car bomb attack. This minor detail is buried in the above story about security forces making arrests in Baghdad, and describes the location as "the district of al-Mahmoudiya, Southern Baghdad." I assume this refers to the town of Mahmoudiya, which is not part of the municipality of Baghdad but is in the city's environs. -- C

Body found with gunshot wounds.

Ramadi

Police find two bodies dumped near a service station, riddled with bullets.

al-Hai, Wassit province

Bomb attack near the home of Abdul-Reda al-Badri, head of the provincial Human Rights Department, severely damages his house and injures six members of his family. Not clear whether Badri himself was injured.

Mosul

Abdul Attackers blow up the home of Maawjoud Jar Allah, head of the municipal council in the Sinjar district. Sinjar is part of the disputed territory between Kurdistan and Arab Iraq. VoI does not say whether Allah was Arab or Kurdish.

Car bomb targeting a police patrol kills one civilian and injures five police officers. McClatchy, reporting what appears to be the same incident, gives the exact location as Al Mashriq neighborhood, and says the car bomb was parked.

A Lt. Colonel in the Iraqi army is assassinated.

Kut

U.S. says its forces captured a militant leader and seven other suspects.

Latifya

Roadside bomb kills one civilian, injures two.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:09 am | #

"Do they know that in the muslim Targui tribe, wome, and men are equal, and women keep their properties, and can chose their husband, and divorce at will ?"

That is so unlike the American Trailer Park tribe of Budwieserlings.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:09 am | #

Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:09 am | #

.. except for that part about keeping the trailer after the divorce ...
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:11 am | #

The history of US domestic terrorism shows a definite lean to the right wing.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:07 am |

Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:58 am |

Absolutely, Hayduke. Islamic Fundamentalism is the correct term. However, since Conservatives, especially Christian Conservatives, want to use the term "islamo-fascist", which is inaccurate, then we should use the term "Islamo-Conservative" since it is far more correct.
International Terrorists are RWers; Domestic Terrorists are, generally, RWers. Christian Fundamentalist are Conservatives; Islamic Fundamentalists are Conservative. So, Islamic Conservative is indeed apropos.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 11:13 am | #

BTW, Bill, it seems at least one RWer (Vinnie) agrees with you that Faux doesn't cover Iraq properly.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 11:14 am | #

Time for a break, BILL great posts as usual, and if I don't speak to all of you soon:

Merry Christmas
Feliz Navitad
Buon Natale

And to all Bill O'Reilly fans:

Happy Holidays.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 11:18 am | #

Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 10:55 am | #

If Faux showed one of Bill's stories for one T&A segment, that would be fair
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:36 am | #

Before I go eat breakfast, I can't resist this question:

If we are so successful, how come there are still mulitple terrorist attacks in iraqnam anyway?
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:40 am | #

Here is another story about IRAQ that just happened to slip by the editors at FOX NEWS.

Hundreds in Ramadi protest policeman killing by U.S. soldier

http://tinyurl.com/28p66e

Saturday , 22 /12 /2007 Time 4:30:35

Anbar, Dec 21, (VOI) – Hundreds of people in al-Anbar staged a demonstration in front of a U.S. forces headquarters north of Ramadi on Thursday to protest the killing of an Iraqi policeman stabbed by a U.S. soldier in a quarrel on Wednesday.

"About 400 protesters in the area of al-Jazira, (4 km) northeastern Ramadi, demanded a trial of the U.S. soldier in accordance with the Iraqi law for stabbing an Iraqi policeman in a joint checkpoint to death on Wednesday evening," a police officer in Ramadi, who declined to have his name mentioned, told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq (VOI).
The protesters started their march from the house of the policeman during his funeral and then assembled in front of a U.S. headquarters, chanting slogans condemning the "criminal" killing of the policeman, the source said.
The demonstration lasted for about 20 minutes and then mourners marched towards the cemetery to bury the Iraqi policeman, he added.
"The victim's family has lodged a complaint with the local council in Ramadi and called for an immediate trial of the U.S. soldier commensurate with the Iraqi law," the source said.
No comment was made by the U.S. army on the incident nor reaction to the angry protests by the local residents in Ramadi.
Ramadi, the capital of the predominantly Sunni province of Anbar, is 110 km west of Baghdad.

BILL CORCORAN, author of this guest post bringing everyone up to speed on what FOX NEWS doesn't cover about IRAQ
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:45 am | #

Right back at 'ya FRANK C.

Time for a break, BILL great posts as usual, and if I don't speak to all of you soon:

Merry Christmas
Feliz Navitad
Buon Natale

And to all Bill O'Reilly fans:

Happy Holidays.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 11:18 am | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:46 am | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 11:47 am | #

RADMOD: If what you posted here is true, I think Vince P has been hitting the eggnog a little early....
Bill Corcoran

BTW, Bill, it seems at least one RWer (Vinnie) agrees with you that Faux doesn't cover Iraq properly.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 11:14 am | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:48 am | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 11:49 am | #

Another excellent piece of journalistic work Bill. Fox never will never touch all this because trying to mix journalism with that bunch of hacks is like trying to mix oil and water.
Godzilla104 | 12.23.07 - 11:49 am | #

To OKLAD B.C CANADA. Thanks so much. We keep punching the bag. Have a happy holiday.
Bill Corcoran

Good morning Bill.

Another fine post as usual.

Thought I would say thanks before the usual trolls start attacking you.

Hope you have a good Festive season.

Cheers.
Oklad B.C. Canada | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:40 am | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:50 am | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 11:50 am | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 11:52 am | #

Time for the pasties to be cleaned up..
Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:53 am | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 11:50 am

You do know the plagiarism is a "proven" loser. Republican senator Lindsay Graham might not be too happy with your stealing his commentary.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 11:53 am | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 11:53 am | #

BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:46 am | #

Allow me to add my wishes for a happy holidays to you, Bill!
Godzilla104 | 12.23.07 - 11:54 am | #

And your agenda here is what Bill ? Do you think if FOX reports "everything" that is going on in Iraq that it will somehow make the "withdrawal" that people like you so dearly desire come any faster ?
Dave | 12.23.07 - 11:55 am | #

HI GODZILLA104: Thanks for this comment and for visiting my post. You have a great one....Bill Corcoran

Another excellent piece of journalistic work Bill. Fox never will never touch all this because trying to mix journalism with that bunch of hacks is like trying to mix oil and water.
Godzilla104 | 12.23.07 - 11:49 am | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:55 am | #

I don't think the trolls will like this. Some people are giving credit to Iran for the decrease in violence in Iraq.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22376176/

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john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:55 am | #

Great post as usual, Bill and happy holidays to you and yours. I read the article about how life is so much worse for gays under the Shia than under the secular Saddam. Even worse is that some American soliders mock these men in front of other Iraqis - which could jeopardize their lives. But hey, hatred of gays seems to be part of the "freedoms" espoused by the American republican right wing.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 11:55 am | #

You mean the withdrawal that nearly everyone wants, Dave? I'm sorry to hurt the feelings of those war profiteers... not.
Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:56 am | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 11:56 am | #

I suspect APW doesn't read a word here. It might even be a scripted macro.
Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:57 am | #

More happy Iraq:

A roadside bomb targeting an Iraqi army patrol in Baghdad killed two civilians Sunday, as attacks claimed the lives of at least five people despite a marked decrease in violence across the country in recent months.

The roadside bomb in southeastern Baghdad's predominantly Shiite neighborhood of Zaafaraniyah also wounded four people, a Baghdad police officer said..

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Intern...tory? id=4044766
claudo | 12.23.07 - 11:58 am | #

"Did Iraq attack us first? Well, yes and no."

The answer is a categorical NO!
claudo | 12.23.07 - 11:59 am | #

"America" is a spammer (never engages in any discussion) who spams Bill's posts every week. I would be curious to see if the IP addy is linked to a US military or government installation.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:02 pm | #

Let me explain it to you DAVE. Here is what you posted and I will answer your question after your post:

And your agenda here is what Bill ? Do you think if FOX reports "everything" that is going on in Iraq that it will somehow make the "withdrawal" that people like you so dearly desire come any faster ?
Dave | 12.23.07 - 11:55 am | #

Dave: First of all the people like me who want a withdrawal make up 86% of those polled---so it isn't just me.

The reason I post what I post is because FOX NEWS reports only "good" news out of Iraq leaving the impression that everything is peachy keen in Iraq when I show with one story after another that Fox news is lying.

I also post what I do so people will realize there are TV outlets like Fox News who shade the truth. Brit Hume of Fox is notorious for telling only half the story as he did two weeks ago when he bragged about how the Iraqi refugees were returning to Iraq, but BRIT HUME failed to report they were returning because Syria was kicking them out and they had run out of money and couldn't get jobs in Syria.

I could go on and on how FOX NEWS has lied to the Amerian public and are still lying everyday to the American public about the Iraq war.

BILL CORCORAN, bringing the truth about the Iraq war to News Hounds readers.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 12:02 pm | #

LOL, I can't believe there are still idiots who think Iraq had ties to terrorism. "Doesn't matter." Yep, that sums up RW thinking; facts don't matter, they KNOW.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 12:07 pm | #

Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:10 pm | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 12:11 pm | #

Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:11 pm | #

There's trouble in River City:

Shiite leaders oppose expansion of U.S.-backed citizens groups
By Leila Fadel | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007

BAGHDAD — The leader of Iraq's most powerful Shiite Muslim political party warned Friday that the security organizations that American officials credit with helping to cut violence in Iraq must be brought under control

Abdulaziz al Hakim, the head of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq, became the latest Iraqi leader to raise concerns that the U.S.-financed groups, which are predominantly Sunni Muslim and known as awakening councils or "concerned local citizens," could become a potent army capable of challenging the U.S.-backed Shiite-dominated central government.

"We emphasize that it's important that these awakening councils become an aid and an arm to the Iraqi government in its pursuit of criminals and terrorists and not become a substitute for it," Hakim said in a speech that marked the Eid al Adha festival of sacrifice commemorating the end of the annual pilgrimage to Mecca..

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/...tory/ 23567.html

And if the majority Shia groups aren't happy - ain't nobody happy. Looks like 2008 could see an upsurge in sectarian violence.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:12 pm | #

Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:11 pm

The spam is all military propaganda.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:13 pm | #

Wonder if any of the Fox military pundits have contracts with "American Forces Press."
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:14 pm | #

Deleted. Threatening. Reported to his ISP.

Dave is using AOL out of Dulles VA.

172.194.107.107

Dave | 12.23.07 - 12:16 pm | #

The next four years would bring the 1998 US embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the foiled July 1997 plot to bomb the New York Subway system and December 1999 "millennium plot" to attack Seattle, and the USS Cole attack in 2000. Another 240 Americans were killed and more than 4,100 were injured in the combined attacks. More Americans died during all these attacks and the worst we did was launch a couple of cruise missiles into the Afghani desert. Nothing was done to counter the mounting threat against us.
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if the 97 and 99 plots were foiled, how praytell, was "nothing was done to counter the mounting threat against us"
cb | 12.23.07 - 12:17 pm | #

Watch as the dollars are spent on the IRAQ war on this second-by-second "ticker." Then click on your own state and community and you can find out how much of your tax dollars are going to the Iraq war....

http://nationalpriorities.org/cm...g/cms/ costofwar

Consider the costs...

$275 million per day
$4,100 per household
Almost 4,000 U.S. soldiers killed and more than 60,000 wounded
700,000 Iraqis killed and 4 million refugees

BILL CORCORAN, author of this post providing a public service announcement so that everyone knows what the war is costing them.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 12:18 pm | #

"The only thing people like you are interested in is dividing this country"

Yet

"And there isn't a fucking thing that you or any of your asshole liberal buddies can do about it.We're going to win this war regardless of what leftist cretins like you want"

Somebody hates 70% of the country and has some serious anger issues.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:19 pm | #

And Dave, if you do engage in something violent, your post is right here on this blog for the benefit of the prosecution. Just saying...
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:19 pm | #

kre500m | 12.23.07 - 12:19 pm | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 12:19 pm | #

You want my head, Dave? You can try.
Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:21 pm | #

kre500m | 12.23.07 - 12:19 pm

So what do you think of the political situation in Iraq? Are you happy that the new "freedom and democracy" in Iraq persecutes gays and secular women. Are you cool with the Shia death squads who have ties to Iran? How bout the treatment that wounded American soldiers are getting when they return? Any issues with PTSD, suicides, family poverty and dysfunction, and homless vets?
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:22 pm | #

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:08 am | #

Sorry to rehash but this sicko has his story backwards the father killed his daughter cause she wanted to be more of a consirvative Muslum not the other way around.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:22 pm | #

ACE | 12.23.07 - 12:22 pm | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 12:19 pm

Whom are you spamming for? Simple answer will suffice.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:22 pm | #

ACE | 12.23.07 - 12:22 pm

And your clinical diagnosis is based on which criteria? Your clinical credentials are? But here's the thing, ACE - you post the same drivel every week and it's getting really tiresome. Care to actually engage in discussion without the perfunctory right wing ad-hominems?
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:24 pm | #

ACE | 12.23.07 - 12:22 pm | #

So Ace posting things in the news and showing people things that are really happening are people who are crazy but people like you who reject reality are sane?
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:24 pm | #

theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:24 pm

The 30 percenters who still love their king are truly the "lunatic fringe."
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:25 pm | #

Yep, I've never seen ACE post anything but claims that someone is insane. False claims, at that.
Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:25 pm | #

Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:25 pm

Ace is part of the weekly attack Bill goon squad. Wonder who's paying them?
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:26 pm | #

Dave | 12.23.07 - 12:16 pm
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WOW!!! Dave is one mean tough ass sitting behind his keyboard isn't he?
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:26 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:25 pm | #

yep

And I do not even need a degree in medicine to agree with you.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:27 pm | #

America's Proven Liar is posting the "good news" from Iraq that the Bush-hating liberal Fox News will not report.

The fact that it's good news being reported by people with a vested interest in making the news look good is neither here nor there.
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:28 pm | #

NOW THE INSURGENTS ARE GOING AFTER PEOPLE WHO DRINK BOOZE IN BAGHDAD

BLOOD AND ALCOHOL IN BAGHDAD

http://www.goupstate.com/article...10335/1051/ news

BAGHDAD — Blood and ouzo mingled on the sidewalk outside a shattered Baghdad liquor store on Thursday after three people were killed in a car bombing directed at alcohol sellers in one of Baghdad’s most heavily protected areas.

The alcohol sellers, who have expanded their business as security in Baghdad has improved in recent months, were among the few merchants plying their trade during the Muslim holiday celebrating Id al-Adha, the end of the hajj, or annual pilgrimage to Mecca.

But the scattered shrapnel and body parts along Sadoun Street did not appear to have much of an impact on Id al-Adha revelers in the neighborhood, who continued as though it were a normal day, perhaps inured to the sounds and sights of violence for years.

“There are explosions everywhere,” said a man who gave his name only as Mr. Ahmed, gesturing to the heavens. “We believe in God.”

Even as the bomb sent a cloud of black smoke rising into the midafternoon sky, Iraqis kept partying at a social club in Paradise Square a few hundred yards away. Children ran around the lawn while their parents sat at tables listening to the sound system blaring the song “I Want to Know What Love Is.”

BILL CORCORAN, bringing still another story that Fox News won't report to News Hounds readers.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 12:29 pm | #

We tried it your way for 8 years and it ended in a disaster.
Dave | 12.23.07 - 12:16 pm | #

Disaster is right

Booming economy
The world loved the US
National debt getting smaller.
Crime at some of the lowest rates ever

Disaster if you are a privite prison builder
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:29 pm | #

And despite the surge:

But even more scary are the roughly 70,000 Sunni tribal militiamen trained and paid by the United States to fight al Qaeda. No one doubts that they are lying low. Sure, they are happy to shoot at foreign al Qaeda fighters - for now. But many of them, speaking to numerous newspaper and magazine reporters, have openly declared their larger aim: to retake Baghdad and restore Sunni control of Iraq once the Americans leave.

Shiite government leaders know that. As the Sunni troop strength increases, government alarm rises.

"We condemn and reject embracing those terrorist elements," Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's political party declared last month. The Americans had a plan for these Sunni tribesmen. In time, they were to be integrated into the Iraqi security forces. But the Shiite leadership is unwilling to accept them. The government won't even provide uniforms and weaponry or services to the Sunni militiamen. The Shiite leadership and Sunni tribal militia are, effectively, already at war.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar...3/ ED6BU1HE8.DTL

For the those who think the war is just a fun GI Joe doll thing, the ramifications of this mean nothing cuz it's all good in Bushworld.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:30 pm | #

theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:29 pm

And an America that was once respected is now a "pariah" nation loathed and feared by the rest of the world.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:30 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:30 pm | #

Halo III is out just in time for Christmas so the Trolls can keep that touph feeling all the way through the last 400 days of Bush
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:31 pm | #

"And if push comes to shove I'll cut your fucking head off to save it from the likes of you."

oh yes, the lunatic rightwing whackos have arrived.

Christmas wishes to you sir and lots of little kisses!
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:32 pm | #

Posting troll IP addresses would be helpful. Ellen posted one last week that was linked to an American AirForce base in Britain.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:32 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:32 pm | #

Interesting. Newshounds is banned on most military networks. One has to wonder how that troll was alowed to post here.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:33 pm | #

Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:32 pm

If a student in a local school made that kind of comment both police and social services would be alerted.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:33 pm | #

theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:33 pm

The military does allow "certain" blogs which are all pro-Bush and pro-war. I'm sure that an allowance is made for posting on blogs that disagree with the administration and the adminsitration's network - Fox News.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:34 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:33 pm | #

MT sends a copy of all death threats to the IP in question.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:34 pm | #

And an America that was once respected is now a "pariah" nation loathed and feared by the rest of the world.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:30 pm | #
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Fucking move then lib-tard loser. The nation will certainly be a better place without a washed up liberal Anti-American misfit like you in it anymore.

Eh?
. | 12.23.07 - 12:35 pm | #

theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:34 pm

And hopefully, if they're really violent, the FBI.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:35 pm | #

. | 12.23.07 - 12:35 pm | #

You must be a Christian

Happy Holidays to you.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:36 pm | #

Didn't anyone find this funny?
"Why is that polls of 1,000 people are valid ... FOX's viewership is in the millions you scoff at it and dismiss it?"

The idiot apparently knows nothing about even the most basic statistics. Polls are designed, via questions, to represent a cross section of America. 1000 is a statistically valid number of respondents (IIRC, ~900 is minimum needed).
For example, I was thrilled to get a pollster the other day because they never call me. Yet when he found out I was a white middle-aged man the call ended. Why? Because he already had enough white middle-aged men.

Now if you want to what the really old and brain-dead believe, then, yea, Faux is a valid resource.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 12:36 pm | #

. | 12.23.07 - 12:35 pm | #

Hi Enrico! Happy Holidays and lots of Merry Christmas kisses from the dark lord!
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:37 pm | #

. | 12.23.07 - 12:35 pm

At leasty WE care about the welfare of the USA...

which is a hell of a lot more than YOU can claim....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:37 pm | #

Eh?
. | 12.23.07 - 12:35 pm

Oh goodie - he's back and I'll do a pre-emptive strike:

And yet you feel you must respond. You should take the moderators' advice and just ignore me. If everyone did that, I WOULD go away.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 10.16.07 - 3:00 pm

N.B. - periodboy is above poster who has been trolling this blog for over two years. Sad.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:38 pm | #

Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:37 pm | #

Normally that "great minds think a like" expression comes to mind when posting the same thing at the same time but…

you are Satan and that would make me in league with Satan.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:39 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:38 pm |

Has it really been two years? Wow, I remember Enrico and I was trying to remember what he originally posted as but there have been so many names and so many idiotic posts I couldn't.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 12:40 pm | #

radmod | 12.23.07 - 12:40 pm

Goob.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:41 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:38 pm |
radmod | 12.23.07 - 12:40 pm | #

Goob has been from the beginning.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:41 pm | #

In the city of Mosul, a roadside bomb targeting a police convoy killed a civilian and injured five police officers, officials told the Kuwait News Agency, KUNA. Elsewhere in the city, an Iraqi army officer was killed by a sniper and insurgents blew up the house of a municipal official who wasn't home.

A gunfight in the city of Kirkuk between police and guerrillas resulted in the deaths of two insurgents, two injured police officers and one arrest, police said

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top...hern_iraq/1704/

Thought everything was hunky dory in the north.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:42 pm | #

lol theroachman.

The rightwing nuts posting today are just killing time before their Christmas issue of Soldier of Fortune magazine arrives and they get a gift in the mail from Rotten.com for all the visits they've made over the years with kleenex in hand.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:43 pm | #

Scientists: Brain injuries from war worse than thought

By Gregg Zoroya, USA TODAY
Scientists trying to understand traumatic brain injury from bomb blasts are finding the wound more insidious than they once thought.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/wor...- injuries_N.htm

but it's all good....
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:46 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:46 pm | #

They have the VA to help them. Just like the Homeless vet with the missing leg I gave a donation to yesterday.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:48 pm | #

We must be winning in Iraq. Proof? The British are leaving and now the Australians are leaving: http://www.crooksandliars.com/20...ps-by-mid-2008/

But we still have Poland. When Poland leaves, we can finally say "Mission Accomplished. Really.".

Eh? Hole.

Eh?
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:51 pm | #

Ah, yes, 'goob'. Always thought that was a stupid, but apropos name.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 12:53 pm | #

Since this is about Iraq and, ostensibly, about 'winning' I propose the following:

One of the reasons that our vets get no respect for Korea and 'Nam is that we never had a VK or VV day. However, supposedly we won in Iraq. I propose the following Congressionally mandated day:
Henceforth, May 1st shall be called "Victory in Iraq" Day, or VI Day. (May 1st being Dubya's oh-so-famous "Mission Accomplished" stunt)
radmod | 12.23.07 - 12:57 pm | #

Natering naybobs of negativism!!
Krusty the clown | 12.23.07 - 1:04 pm | #

Krusty the clown | 12.23.07 - 1:04 pm

No.

Realism vs. delusion....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:10 pm | #

Yes, the nabobs ... but when up against the Hairbrained Harpies of Happy Talk, I'll cast my lot with the Nabobs any day.

Moron.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:16 pm | #

Realism vs. delusion....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:10 pm | #
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Yes you are quite delusional.

It is a pity the leftists here listen to a third world taco eating wetback like you but it is certainly to be expected in this strange little spot on the internet. Funny how you third world lunatics think your opinion somehow matters.
Pedro | 12.23.07 - 1:19 pm | #

Pedro | 12.23.07 - 1:19 pm

It is YOU who is delusional, wallowing in a brainwashed fantasy spoonfed to you by your neoconartist masters...

YOU have nothing legitimate to counter with; merely able to resort to ad hominem personal attacks which, sadly, only serve to reveal YOU for the silly, brainwashed payaso that you are....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:28 pm | #

Pedro | 12.23.07 - 1:19 pm | #

Well we certainly are not going to treat a racist ahole of the likes of you with any respect.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:29 pm | #

U.S. General Says Iraq Violence at Lowest Levels Since 2004
Sunday, December 16, 2007

BAGHDAD — Violence in Iraq is at its lowest levels since the first year of the American invasion, finally opening a window for reconciliation among rival sects, the second-ranking U.S. general said Sunday as Iraqi forces formally took control of security across half the country.

Lt. Gen. Ray Odierno, the man responsible for the ground campaign in Iraq, said that the first six months of 2007 were probably the most violent period since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. The past six months, however, had seen some of the lowest levels of violence since the conflict began, Odierno said, attributing the change to an increase in both American troops and better-trained Iraqi forces.

"I feel we are back in '03 and early '04. Frankly I was here then, and the environment is about the same in terms of security in my opinion," he said. "What is different from then is that the Iraqi security forces are significantly more mature."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/ 0,2...,317025,00.html

Fill your Stocking BILL!!!!
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:32 pm | #

Funny how you third world lunatics think your opinion somehow matters.
Pedro | 12.23.07 - 1:19 pm
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LOL. You're the delusional one.

Opinions of "third world taco eating wetbacks" like us does NOT matter. We know that. If it did, we would not be ear-deep this shithole in Iraq.
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:33 pm | #

I've read before on here the RWer's say one reason the US is fighting in the ME is to help Israel exist and live in peace.

Well I don't think Israel wants peace. They rejected a cease fire with Hamas.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22376702/

--
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:34 pm | #

Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:33 pm | #

Come on now former Attorney General Gonzales was named attorney of the year after all.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:34 pm | #

U.S. Forces to Hand Control of Karbala Over to Iraqis on Monday
Saturday, October 27, 2007

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2...=fnc.world/ iraq
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:35 pm | #

Here You Go LIAR BILL, Pick A Story From FOX NEWS On Iraq:

NEWS ON IRAQTranscript: Gen. David Petraeus on 'FOX News Sunday'
Pentagon Boosting Efforts to Get Weapons to Iraqi Military
U.S., Turkish Military Officials Try for Better Communications Following Weekend Bombing in Iraq
UK Military Forces Transfer Security Control of Southern Iraq to Native Forces
Turkish Jets Strike Kurdish Rebel Targets in Northern Iraq
Triple Car Bombings Kill 26, Wound 100 in Shiite City in Iraq
Congress Moving Closer to Iraq War Funding Compromise
Report: Iraqi Security, Law Enforcement Officials Disappear in U.S.
Lawsuit Claims Blackwater Guards Abandoned Post on Day of Shootings, Used Steroids
Zarqawi Map Aided Successes Against Iraqi Insurgency
U.S. Grand Jury Investigates Blackwater Shooting Incident in Baghdad
Thousands Returning to a Safer Baghdad
'60 Minutes' Identifies 'Curve Ball' Source Who Led U.S. to Invade Iraq
U.S. Forces to Hand Control of Karbala Over to Iraqis on Monday
Iraqi Delegation Tries to Defuse Tensions With Turkey Over Rebels

http://www.foxnews.com/world/ira...iraq/ index.html
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:36 pm | #

Fox reports, News hounds Deny and lie.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:37 pm | #

Krusty the clown | 12.23.07 - 1:04 pm

Pedro | 12.23.07 - 1:19 pm | #

That's right you two just go tip toe through the tulips. Iraq is now a place that makes even the tele tubbies envious and we're all pretty sure you guys have your tickets to Iraq to go on that vagabonding trip around the country with your I love Bush t-shirt. Sent us a post card will you. Oh if you really want to have fun drive up to a check point really fast the guards will love your joke.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 1:38 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:37 pm | #

Actually the liars would be all of those other sources link to in the original post.

Maybe you should review them rather than post the same damn links you have been posting here for over a month now?
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:39 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:36 pm
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Hey dumbass, you're just proving Bill's point. It's all good in Iraq according to Fox.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:39 pm | #

Above you will see 15 stories on or about Iraq. Yet liar Bill denies that FOX reports on Iraq.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:39 pm | #

Well Bill, the news site you are looking for is here:

http://www.sott.com

news and opinion gathered from correspondents "on the ground" from all over the world. Makes for a much more accurate picture ("reality-based" ha, ha) than the fantasy spin of the Faux News syncophants.

Check it out.
Sariade | 12.23.07 - 1:39 pm | #

Hey dumbass, you're just proving Bill's point. It's all good in Iraq according to Fox.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:39 pm | #

Hrey numbnuts it is going good in Iraq! Ask CNN, MBNBC, CBS.
Admit that you left weing loonies bet on the wrong horse again.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:40 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:36 pm | #

FYI

that post there is really not "good news"

These are the kinds of problems that results from having a poorly functioning government. Such as the one headed by king george
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:41 pm | #

Fox reports, News hounds Deny and lie.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:37 pm |

People tire of all the lies from the loony left. Air America here in Eugene Oregon went off the air due to having 12 listeners. Eugene is a very liberal area.
Charles | 12.23.07 - 1:42 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:40 pm | #

And your plan ticket to Iraq is ready too. Will you be wearing your I love Dick t-shirt? But make sure you have his picture on the shirt they might not understand otherwise.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 1:42 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:39 pm | #

You want to show us where Fox TV news is reporting on Iraq?
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:43 pm | #

And your plan ticket to Iraq is ready too. Will you be wearing your I love Dick t-shirt? But make sure you have his picture on the shirt they might not understand otherwise.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 1:42 pm | #

No need to go there we have troops doing their excellent job there even with you troop haters on here everyday.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:44 pm | #

Mendell comes home to find his wife and Bill Clinton, naked together in bed. Just as Mendell is about to open his mouth, Slick Willy jumps out of bed and says, "Before you say anything, old pal, what are you going to believe, me or your eyes?"

Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 9:29 am | #

Fixed.
Jacko | 12.23.07 - 1:44 pm | #

Pedro | 12.23.07 - 1:19 pm

FYI...

I am directly descended from a Revolutionary War veteran who fought against the conservatives who held blind allegiance to the other King George...

and I willingly became an expat in the third world, in large measure, as a result of what assholes like you have wrought in the USA....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:44 pm | #

Charles | 12.23.07 - 1:42 pm | #

And we have another passenger on board to go to Iraq. Will you be traveling by ass when you get there or will you just be acting like one?
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 1:44 pm | #

Hey Charles if you are going to call people liars it is best that you not tell a lie

eh?

"Eugene may soon find itself without progressive talk radio station Air America if a deal to sell local affiliate KOPT to Oregon Public Broadcasting goes through."

http://www.blueoregon.com/2007/1...ne-to- lose.html
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:45 pm | #

theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:45 pm

They have no advertisers music is played where local commercials should be. The 12 members of the local communist party are the only Air America listeners.
Charles | 12.23.07 - 1:49 pm | #

Bill why do you and your news hound friends hate our troops, our government and Fox news?
To prove that you are fake, you even write a letter to a fake entity ( Santa ) in hopes to do what? If you are fake and Santa is fake then your topic is a flop.
The only point that many people wil ltake from your guest blahg is that you hate your country and those who reside in it.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:49 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:39 pm | #

You brain dead piece of anti-american shit. Show one comment made here to support this smear:

"troop haters"

Just one. That's all. Enrico, Vince, Kevin, or probably the amateurish "DJ", whoever hand is up your sockpuppet ass at the moment. Blithering moron. Support your statement or STFU already.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:49 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:44 pm | #

What does troops over there have to do with your trip to Iraq? It's a party over there according to your account. You should go over there and party. Tell all the families in Iraq killing them was tough love from the oil companies they'll understand.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 1:49 pm | #

Charles | 12.23.07 - 1:49 pm | #

You have been smacked down

back under your bridge little troll.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:50 pm | #

As stated before mates, even Murtha has said the surge is working:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/0.../837824- 100.stm
Jacko | 12.23.07 - 1:50 pm | #

All right, since you screwed up by last question, let's try another one.

How are the awful Muslims going to invade the US when they have no Air Force, no Navy and an ocean sits between the ME and the USA?
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:50 pm | #

What does troops over there have to do with your trip to Iraq? It's a party over there according to your account. You should go over there and party. Tell all the families in Iraq killing them was tough love from the oil companies they'll understand.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 1:49 pm | #

It is a party here also. I don't have to go to Iraq and the idea that I must is a deception on your part.

If you were to go where everything is great you would be going to the republican party. It's great there too...
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:51 pm | #

Charles | 12.23.07 - 1:42 pm
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I will grant you the fact liberal radio isn't as popular as conservative radio.

One reason is because liberals can think for themselves. They don't need a bunch of blowhards like O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage etc,etc telling them what to think and say like you trolls on here.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:53 pm | #

How are the awful Muslims going to invade the US when they have no Air Force, no Navy and an ocean sits between the ME and the USA?
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:50 pm | #

They will get a sexual predator in the white house and while he / she is seducing interns in the oval office. They will plan to use our own equipment to kill us. Since 9/11 they now have a new weapon, it's called Newshounds.
Nor Easter | 12.23.07 - 1:53 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:51 pm | #

Matadore seems to think that it is morally ok to send others to kill for him.

You love this war so much and think it is moral you could at least try and get a job with Blackwater.

They have free steroids available (as per your link)
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:53 pm | #

Matadore seems to think that it is morally ok to send others to kill for him.

You love this war so much and think it is moral you could at least try and get a job with Blackwater.

They have free steroids available (as per your link)
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:53 pm | #

You are off topic... ALERT ALERT!!!
Nor Easter | 12.23.07 - 1:54 pm | #

Nor Easter | 12.23.07 - 1:53 pm | #

Nope, wrong answer
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:54 pm | #

You are all getting off topic..
ALERT ALERT
Nor Easter | 12.23.07 - 1:54 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:51 pm | #

Answer my question you puke eating vermin.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:55 pm | #

Nor Easter | 12.23.07 - 1:54 pm | #

Sorry but it was not off topic

the topic is Iraq

try to keep up
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:55 pm | #

Poor, deluded, brainwashed troll-thingies...

it's all good...

an illegal and immoral war...

4000 dead US troops...

a million Iraqis...

violence, death and destruction with no end in sight....

but, it's all good.
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:55 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:51 pm | #

Oh come on now. You and the neobozos have been saying it's a party over there. Can't you just go and send us a post card. See if you can get a PKK t-shirt and a Sadr t-shirt too.

You want to be a hit over there? Go to a Sunni nightclub and open up your act with a starter like this: "What about those Shia's swell bunch of people what about that"

You'll be a big hit with the Sunnis when you open up your act with that one. Send us a video too.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 1:56 pm | #

Most of what I see here is sniveling news hounds who cannot handle the fact that Iraq is becoming a democratic nation right before youe very eyes...
Watch and you will see a new nation born...
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:56 pm | #

Oh come on now. You and the neobozos have been saying it's a party over there. Can't you just go and send us a post card. See if you can get a PKK t-shirt and a Sadr t-shirt too.

You want to be a hit over there? Go to a Sunni nightclub and open up your act with a starter like this: "What about those Shia's swell bunch of people what about that"

You'll be a big hit with the Sunnis when you open up your act with that one. Send us a video too.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 1:56 pm | #

In twenty years it will be the top vacation spot for has been newshounds.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:57 pm | #

One can only wish
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:57 pm | #

Watch and you will see a new nation born...
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:56 pm |

Now that will really piss them off.
Charles | 12.23.07 - 1:57 pm | #

Shiite Leaders Oppose Expansion of US-Backed Citizens Groups

http://www.truthout.org/docs_200...6/ 122207C.shtml
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:57 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:56 pm | #
Tell us Matadore

How does the US go about killing a huge amount of innocent people going to lead a country to a democracy?

How does killing someone’s child a way to get them to believe that the US has a better way for them to live?
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:58 pm | #

All of your conjecture about going there is Spin. No noe needs to buy a plane ticket to go there, it's all bullshit.
The fact is that Iraq is getting better. You cannot handle that FACT.
Every news outlet is reporting it not just FOX.
Facts folks, FACTS...
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:58 pm | #

That's what I thought matadore. Unable to support your posts. You post drivel which indicates your level of knowledge. Get back on the short bus and enlist instead of letting other people do your fighting for you.

Coward.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:59 pm | #

It appears Fox reported on some bad news in Iraq after all Bill.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2...=fnc.world/ iraq
Jacko | 12.23.07 - 2:00 pm | #

How does the US go about killing a huge amount of innocent people going to lead a country to a democracy?

How does killing someone’s child a way to get them to believe that the US has a better way for them to live?
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:58 pm |

The answer is in your wording. Innocent is your problem sir.

It is a war and to be quite honest you are off topic. This thread is not about innocent people it is about things getting better in Iraq. Let's stay on topic..
But you can't because ytou have nothing to stand on.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 2:00 pm | #

Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:59 pm | #

He/she/it has no intention of dealing with any questions or serious issues. Why waste time??
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:01 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:57 pm
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Is the Iraqi government still on vacation?

Could you please tell us what they've accomplished?
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:01 pm | #

In twenty years it will be the top vacation spot for has been newshounds.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:57 pm | #

Twenty years? Hey that sounds like bullshit. You said it was party time over there now. Are you changing your story? I knew it and just to think I thought you were going to send us picture of you standing in the Shia neighborhood wearing a Sunnis rules t-shirt.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 2:01 pm | #

Jacko | 12.23.07 - 2:00 pm | #

Um Jacko that is the website not Fox News TV you know that? right?
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:01 pm | #

It appears Fox reported on some bad news in Iraq after all Bill.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2...2...=fnc.world/ iraq
Jacko | 12.23.07 - 2:00 pm | #

FOX reports all of the news.. These NBC employees can't handle the lose in ratings.. That is the real casualty here. NBC is bleeding.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 2:01 pm | #

You said it was party time over there now. Are you changing your story? I knew it and just to think I thought you were going to send us picture of you standing in the Shia neighborhood wearing a Sunnis rules t-shirt.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 2:01 pm | #

No LIAR, you saide it was party time over there. I said that "Things are getting Better".. Big differo LIAR dude.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 2:02 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 2:00 pm | #

Bullshit heartless POS

You trying to say that a child has a choice as to where he lives?

Are you saying that child deserved to die because his parents lived in Iraq and had not embraced US made democracy?
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:03 pm | #

I note an interesting time span between sockpuppets. About long enough for someone with a dialup account to log off, then log back on with new IP and spit up more filth. I'm betting there's just one troll today.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:03 pm | #

It is a party here also. I don't have to go to Iraq and the idea that I must is a deception on your part.

If you were to go where everything is great you would be going to the republican party. It's great there too...
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:51 pm | #

Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 2:01 pm | #

No LIAR, you saide it was party time over there. I said that "Things are getting Better".. Big differo LIAR dude.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 2:02 pm | #

Are you saying that first "party" post was not you?
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:05 pm | #

This thread is not about innocent people it is about things getting better in Iraq. Let's stay on topic..
But you can't because ytou have nothing to stand on.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 2:00 pm | #
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You'd better read the topic again dumbass.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:06 pm | #

No LIAR ..
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 2:02 pm | #

Now THAT'S funny, a piece of shit like this calling anyone else a liar... lmfao
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:06 pm | #

You trying to say that a child has a choice as to where he lives?

Are you saying that child deserved to die because his parents lived in Iraq and had not embraced US made democracy?
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:03 pm | #

Now read this real slow roach..
I am saying that you want to discuss something that is OFF TOPIC...
This isn't the thread to discuss that.
This thread is about:

Dear Santa: All I Want for Christmas Is For FOX News to Report Everything That Is Happening in Iraq
Reported by Marie Therese - Sun 4:36 AMGUEST BLOGGED BY BILL CORCORAN

Understand now?
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 2:07 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 2:02 pm | #

Things are getting better because the United States is paying money to keep everyone quite. What happens when the money runs out? C-I-V-I--l-L W-A-R ouch.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 2:08 pm | #

Dear Santa,

I have my two front teeth so I don't need teeth, but I would appreciate it if you could put in a good word over at FOX News and tell them a lot of us would like to hear about EVERYTHING that is happening in Iraq, not just carefully edited snippets of half-truth and spin. Rudolph told me that FOX News says things are peachy keen in Anbar Province, but what about the rest of Iraq? He suggested I check out various news outlets and the Iraq Today web site if I want the whole unvarnished truth about Iraq.

Bill shows no proof of his side of the topic and yet he askes for proof. Then when proof is given it is edited or snipped or some bullshit. You would think that Bill works fro mediamatters or newshounds to use those dirty tactics.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 2:09 pm | #

MSNBC optimistic. Wow!

HAWIJA, Iraq - Nearly 6,000 Sunni Arab residents joined a security pact with American forces Wednesday in what U.S. officers described as a critical step in plugging the remaining escape routes for extremists flushed from former strongholds.

The new alliance — called the single largest volunteer mobilization since the war began — covers the “last gateway” for groups such as al-Qaida in Iraq seeking new havens in northern Iraq, U.S. military officials said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22020402/
Charles | 12.23.07 - 2:09 pm | #

As Dumbya once said...

he's not interested in nation building...

he's still not, and could give a rats ass about democracy in Iraq...

but it merely serves as a pretext for appropriating oil and war profiteering....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:09 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 2:07 pm | #

Read this real slow.

You. Are. A. Piece. Of. Shit.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:10 pm | #

Things are getting better because the United States is paying money to keep everyone quite. What happens when the money runs out? C-I-V-I--l-L W-A-R ouch.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 2:08 pm | #

Oh now you are a war expert like Bill CorLIARon.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 2:10 pm | #

Read this real slow.

You. Are. A. Piece. Of. Shit.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:10 pm | #
Just. Like? Me. Satan Is Shit. And. He. Likes> Moonbat. Shit.
Satan | 12.23.07 - 2:11 pm | #

Moon Bats - 0

Iraq Better -12
HeyZues | 12.23.07 - 2:12 pm | #

ha ha look at that i've been spoofed!

child.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:13 pm | #

Satan | 12.23.07 - 2:11 pm | #

Only a coward makes a post like that Matadore

your time is done here and we should all put you on ignore

bye-bye
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:14 pm | #

HeyZues | 12.23.07 - 2:12 pm | #

its Zeus!!!

The writters strick is hitting the RWing pretty hard.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:15 pm | #

strick = strike

me too it seems :)
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:16 pm | #

It's all over the web. We have been paying the Sunni tribal leaders money to chill out. We did it to the warlords in Afghanistan and if that was any lesson what will happen when the money runs out could be a nightmare.

http://www.motherjones.com/comme...ning- anbar.html

U.S. casualties are down in Iraq. But a retired Army Colonel argues that the surge and American payoffs to Sunni tribal leaders may eventually backfire—producing more instability and possibly a regional war.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 2:16 pm | #

Current "Most Read" stories on Faux

Black Man Found Guilty in Death of White Teen in Racially-Charged Case
Indiana Man Pays for $25,000 Pickup Truck in Coins
Miss France in Hot Water Over Crucifixion Pool Pictures
Cops: Woman Stabbed Hubby for Opening Christmas Gift Early
Italian Scientist Links Christmas to Ancient Pagan Celebration
Florida Cops: Parents Tried to Sell Baby in Store Parking Lot for $30
Pop Tarts: Super-Skinny Tara Reid Mistaken for Jenna Jameson
Man Nails Santa to 15-Foot Crucifix; Christmas Cards Read: 'Santa Died for Your MasterCard'
Spector Rips Tina at Ike Turner's Funeral
Snowstorms Kill 5, Cause Multicar Pileups in Midwest, Plains
2 More Young Men Freed in Teen Sex Case That Changed Georgia Laws
DNA Tests Fail to Confirm Identity of Mummy Claimed to be Pharaoh Queen
Olmert Calls Gaza Campaign 'True War'
Air Force Staff Sergeant Reunited With Children After Italy Custody Battle
Report: Former FBI Director Hoover Planned to Arrest 12,000 Americans Suspected of Disloyalty
FOXSexpert: Pregnant Women Have the Best Sex, Better Orgasms
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:18 pm | #

Instead of bitching about the liberal media not reporting the good news coming out of Iraq, why dosen't Fox News cover the good news themselves?

I'd love to see that new school or that newly painted wall.

After all, one Baby Noor can wipe off the memory of those hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children (we don't do body counts) "accidentally" killed by our indiscriminate bombing campaigns and one burnt-faced Yosuf can help hide the fact 2 million Iraqi children face disease and poverty because American Freedom & Democracy decided to bestow it's Blessings upon them.

I wonder why the Bush-hating, terrorist-loving, anti-American, anti-war liberal media - CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC etc. etc. has not covered those stories or the stories about the millions of Iraqi refugees kicked out of Syria and now stranded homeless in Iraq with no where to go, no shelter to hide under.......

The liberal media sure works in mysterious ways.
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:22 pm | #

ol kre is always good for a laugh isnt he HAHHAHAH

its amazing he figures out how to turn the computer on.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 2:22 pm | #

its amazing he figures out how to turn the computer on.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 2:22 pm | #

his kids are internet cops. So they help him I'm sure.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:23 pm | #

Don't you all realize the POTUS just flipped you the bird (in the post video). Why support someone who did this to you??
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:26 pm | #

"Most of what I see here is sniveling news hounds who cannot handle the fact that Iraq is becoming a democratic nation right before youe very eyes...
Watch and you will see a new nation born...
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:56 pm |"

What I see is the murdered corpse of the Iraqi nation, and we can't HAVE a new nation till our military and mercs get off the corpse.

Oh sure, it's getting better.. it's like saying "cheer up, you're getting stabbed with a smaller knife now.."
Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:31 pm | #

so much name calling

well - things are better in iraq atm - wether temporarily or for the long term is up to interpretation and remains to be seen - personally i would have liked a real surge with 500,000 troops to protect the iraqi's lives while they figured out exactly what to do with the country we destroyed for them

but of course bush isnt really committed to winning this war - if he was he would ask us all to sacrifice for this very serious cause and he would have instituted a draft if americans did not sign up to fight en masse

but then has bush's heart ever really been in this war? as billo loofa likes to say - the way he has faught it makes it seems he wants america to lose the war

lets hope beyond hope that the iraqi people may see peace in their homeland and we may see peace here

thats my christmas wish

but then im just a silly buddhist

hugs
..ana
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:32 pm | #

This thread is not about innocent people it is about things getting better in Iraq. Let's stay on topic..

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 2:00 pm | #
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Dear Santa: All I Want for Christmas Is For FOX News to Report Everything That Is Happening in Iraq
Reported by Marie Therese - Sun 4:36 AMGUEST BLOGGED BY BILL CORCORAN

Understand now?
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 2:07 pm
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How did he get that this thread is about things getting better in Iraq?

These trolls get dumber by the hour.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:35 pm | #

"Most of what I see here is sniveling news hounds who cannot handle the fact that Iraq is becoming a democratic nation right before youe very eyes...
Watch and you will see a new nation born...
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:56 pm |"
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ummm - is it that you dont like to be honest or that your just that blind?

democracy is very very doubtful in iraq at the moment - and for yoru information women had more rights under saddam than they do under maliki

but then this is unfortunate information for you isnt it

because rathrr than admit that our goal of bringing democracy and equality to iraw has ratehr failed - and that we now would settle for peace rather than the lofty goals of the former is inconvienent at best for your idealistic view of a world that is just slightly more complicated than your letting on

when women can walk to the shops without a male chaperone we may be back to where iraq was before we invaded - i will say well finally some equality - but thats unlikely to happen

lets not forget our willful ignorence of isreal's aparthied against palestinians and you see why democracy and equality really arent values that we hold in america - just ones we pretend to espouse
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:37 pm | #

I sure hope dave gets an unannounced visit from The Feds for that dire threat. I know I'm scared to comment now. I'll testify so in court. See there dave-o!

Where did this pendejo matador pop up from? daves' ass? Having read this entire thread it does seem only one troll at a time, don't it? Do they get their entire body of knowledge from fuchs, rush et al? Just like my friend, Bill. No matter what the topic of conversation he can always find a way to say, "The liberals want to..." or "It's the liberals fault."

Sadly they don't understand they have been cornholed by the neocons and their quest for military/corporate domination. Just as fucked as us fact-based thinkers, which would be funny if it were not so serious. Troll and rightists unite! Your boys in this administration don't care about you! They have ruined your country and taken your freedoms. Wake. The. Fuck. Up.
I be ya'll were also afraid of Communism, right? Typical. History shows us that there wasn't really anything to fear...they're system was damaged goods and was not be destined to survive. The neos, so dissapointed that their boogie-man was gone have now created another one in your pea brains...islamo-fascism. If that ain't the pot(neos) calling the kettle black...
So too, these radical religious nutjobs...both muslim and christian, will one day vanish because...it is destined.
Jesus was a liberal. Get over it.
Peace. Love. Do the right thing...over and over.
fishnuts | 12.23.07 - 2:41 pm | #

only one troll at a time, don't it?
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oh its all the same guy

he gets one profile so worked up and embarrassingly trollish and up pops another

until that one has been truly apologetic,

then well get introduced to a new troll

has been this way on news hounds for years

same racist bigotry

different sig

same anti muslim sentiment plus inability to truly argue with humility and honesty

oh well

tis why i stay here

someones gotta make the right look better than that
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:44 pm | #

Remember when Bush said we cannot win this war "militarily?"

So what is all the hoopla from the neocons about how we are winning the war.

Has the Iraqi government pulled themselves together. Hell, no.

The whole point of the "surge" was to get the Iraqi government to stand up on its own.

It had nothing to do with military succcess.

BILL CORCORAN, straightening out the neocons who forget what the REAL mission is all about in IRAQ
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 2:50 pm | #

Well, apparently right wingers hate reality, or at least a part of it. It's funny how Bill posting some news Fox doesn't say a word about is getting the trolls in a rage.
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 2:52 pm | #

so america proven winner supports ethnic cleansing and massive refugee migrations??????
gnusman53 | 12.23.07 - 2:57 pm | #

"Most of what I see here is sniveling news hounds who cannot handle the fact that Iraq is becoming a democratic nation right before youe very eyes...
Watch and you will see a new nation born...
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:56 pm |"
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Would that be like that story you've been telling for over 2 thousand years now? "The Second Coming of Jesus Christ"? "He's coming. Just you wait and see. All the signs are there. You'll be sorry when He comes. He's coming for sure. And soon."

That kind of story about Democracy coming to Iraq? Same kind of time frame? Between now and Two Thousand and NEVER?
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:59 pm | #

Jolly Old Saint NicK | 12.23.07 - 3:00 pm | #

Oopsy! What's an empire to do?
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Iraq will never allow the United States to have permanent military bases on its soil, the government's national security adviser said, calling the issue a "red line" that cannot be crossed.
"We need the United States in our war against terrorism, we need them to guard our border sometimes, we need them for economic support and we need them for diplomatic and political support," Mowaffaq al-Rubaie said.
"But I say one thing, permanent forces or bases in Iraq for any foreign forces is a red line that cannot be accepted by any nationalist Iraqi," he told Dubai-based al Arabiya television.
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Don't you hate it when puppets mouth off? I suspect Mr. Mowaffaq al-Rubaie is about to meet with one of those "Blackwater accidents."
ProfessorDuh | 12.23.07 - 3:01 pm | #

What's funny is the trolls don't know the difference between Fox 'News' Network and Fox.com.

They like to source articles from fox.com which are mostly AP articles that never get reported on Fox 'News' Network.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:01 pm | #

REUTERS HAS AN IRAQ FACTCHECK SITE you can go to on a daily basis to see what is happening in Iraq.

Here is the link:

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/...k/ ANW339081.htm
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 3:02 pm | #

Jolly Old Saint NicK | 12.23.07 - 3:02 pm | #

his kids are internet cops. So they help him I'm sure.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:23 pm | #
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slaps my forehead I forgot al about that LOLOLOL
hoode | 12.23.07 - 3:03 pm | #

Mr. Corcoran- you never fail to poke a stick in the hornet's nest, do you?
Your usual good job, and the usual troll uprising.The trolls should be glad this is not my site everyone would be required under penalty of deletion to accompany each assertion with a cite to the source of that assertion i.e. vinnie's sockpuppet mandull telling us India is a muslim nation.I wonder which wingnut site featured that tidbit. We know vinnie is as large a plagiarizer as has ever shown up here, his sockpuppet would appear to be the same.No denying the subconmtinent has a muslim segment, but when they came to outnumber the Hindus I'm not sure.I love how mandull appears to give absolute numbers for the murder rate in India at least it didn't specify if those were per unit of population or not.
The one thing I'll give the wingnuts is that the SCLM is doing no better at presenting a complete picture of either conflict than fux noise.
donquijotesrocket | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:04 pm | #

You're just a typical negative-nelly left wing liberal media type. Trust Bush, he has NEVER lied to us, whatever he says must be gospel. Everything is going swimmingly in Iraq, Fox says there are no problems and everything is just peachy, so it must be! Stop being negative, Iraq is fine! (Trust us).
Republicans are the Best | 12.23.07 - 3:05 pm | #

These trolls all sound remarkably like tim to me. they just arent claiming to be military.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 3:06 pm | #

...Iraq is becoming a democratic nation right before youe very eyes...
Watch and you will see a new nation born...
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:56 pm |"

Great theory.

Let's bankrupt our own country to see if it works.
Jeeez | 12.23.07 - 3:07 pm | #

Republicans are the Best | 12.23.07 - 3:05 pm | #
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I salute a master of satire.
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 3:10 pm | #

A democratic Iraq will be America's worst nightmare: An oil-rich Shiite-dominated, Iran-friendly Islamic Republic - the kind the US calls "the enemy". Was that the purpose of removing Saddam and destroying his secular state?

Be careful what you ask for - you just might get what you asked for and then you're really focked.
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:10 pm | #

hoode | 12.23.07 - 3:06 pm

Yeah, tim in OK said on another thread whenever Bill had a topic post he's be around.

Probably under another name because he's been banned many times.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:13 pm | #

he's > he'd
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:14 pm | #

The trouble is that part of the world has no idea what a democracy really is. They dont know how to make one.

Russia is in the same boat. democracy takes years and years of evolution to happen. The citizenry has to LEARN how to live in a true democracy. And the government needs to be open enough to allow it to happen. you have to have safe enough borders allow it to happen.
The right culture and traditions also need to be in place.

They also have to have people that are not attempting to rape it from the outside.

We are in Iraq for Pnac. Not democracy. They can PRETEND to have a democracy......but when we are forcing them to do our bidding then they are not involved in democracy. They are simply vassal states.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 3:17 pm | #

How many Muslims do you know personally vince?
Less than 5, I would guess, you bigot.
tony | 12.23.07 - 3:19 pm | #

Iraq is becoming a democratic nation right before youe very eyes...
Watch and you will see a new nation born...
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:56 pm

So you're OK with the harassment of gays and the treatment of women in the "democratic" Iraq where the Shia and Sunnis are still having problems as we have been noting. Or do you deny that there are any problems at all. Just wondering....
claudo | 12.23.07 - 3:25 pm | #

hoode | 12.23.07 - 3:17 pm

As you say it's all about American "empire building" from a president who claimed that he didn't believe in "nation building."
claudo | 12.23.07 - 3:29 pm | #

hoode | 12.23.07 - 3:06 pm | #

You could be correct. But it seemed like tim was simply try to stalk Bill and woke, in particular woke.
I have not seen woke yet today. However, time will tell.

Whoever it is, they STILL have not answered the issues addressed in this thread.
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:31 pm | #

In twenty years it will be the top vacation spot.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:57 pm
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Would that be like Vietnam? Many people are traveling there now.

But it doesn't have a democracy.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:34 pm | #

vinnie's sockpuppet mandull telling us India is a muslim nation.I wonder which wingnut site featured that tidbit
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lmao he didnt really say that did he?

please say it aint trueeee
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:36 pm | #

Vince from what I can see is a melodramatic, idealistic kid who has read alot but understands little.

Most of us were the same way when we were 20 or so.

WE will fix things that our apathetic parents wont. WE are smarter than THEY are.

Genesis even wrote a song about the syndrome.

What happens as we age is that we learn that very little of what our rulers tell us is fully true.
hey tell us the part of the truth they wish us to hear so we can be lead where they want us lead to.

As we see more and more fo the lies as we age, we begin to see patterns.

We begin to see our government using terminology of the same type every time they wish a war. They use other countries terminology. The lies are cross border words.

The terminolgy being used by Bush right now for things like enemy combatants came right out of the KB handbook. Extreme rendition. Enhanced interrogation.

All words right out of the KGB handbook.

Waterboarding..... right out of the KGB handbook. We DESPISED them for 50 years for using it. We put people in jail for it after the Germans were brought to justice.

But here we are using it. Not even bothering to change the terminology.

But you have to have lived long enough to experience much of this to actually recognize the patterns.

Many young people cant pull from that experience because they have had it.. And they cant accept it from someone else..... because it destroys their idealistic view of how THEY are going to fix what their parents were too dumb to fix.

EVERY new generation has had the same thoughts.

My parents are so lazy and apathetic. the wont fix any of the world injustices. Well BY GAWD we will.

And of course......every new generation has been wrong on that matter.

Some things cant be fixed simply because they feel right. Our alliances through the years have been horribly complicated and ll conceived.

We are living with the consequences of our constant meddling for riches and or power.

Idealism has NOTHING to do with how the world actually works. It certainly has nothing to do with how this country works.

ne day Vinni will look back on these days and laugh at himself like most of us have and realize the world has hardly any black and white in it and it is mostly gray.

Until then he will be full of righteous indignation and hate. he cant help it actually.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 3:38 pm | #

btw i said happy holidays and happy christmas and happy hanukah to everyone on the other thread but like always im too late and everyones already on some other thread

anyways

hippy holi whatevers

i love you all and have big warmy hugs for you

..ana
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:38 pm | #

As you say it's all about American "empire building" from a president who claimed that he didn't believe in "nation building."
claudo | 12.23.07 - 3:29 pm | #
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exactly. they just hate when we recognize it and SAY it.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 3:39 pm | #

Vince from what I can see is a melodramatic, idealistic kid who has read alot but understands little.

Most of us were the same way when we were 20 or so.

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thanx hoode

ill come back and post when im older and smarter and a lil more wrinkly

:D
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:40 pm | #

HUggssss ana thank you for the well wishes and many more back to you ;)
hoode | 12.23.07 - 3:42 pm | #

ll come back and post when im older and smarter and a lil more wrinkly

:D
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:40 pm | #

And what's wrong with older and smarter and a little.....oops, forget the wrinkly part.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 3:43 pm | #

Great post, Bill. I like the letter to Santa idea, it's cute. You are doing quite well ignoring the trolls today. ;o}

I have not been through the whole thread yet, but from what I have seen it is peppered with broad brush statements from narrow minded people.

I thought APW was Melanie Morgan.

I wonder which America is a proven winner. Does the name refer to all of North America or is South America included? Are we disregarding Central America? As to 'proven', by whom? And this proof is where? And then there's the 'winner' part. Won what? Who won? Was there a prize? The implication is that there was a 'loser', who would that be?

Not that the serial copy and paster ever answers questions, or even has an original thought.

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Michelle | 12.23.07 - 3:43 pm | #

ill come back and post when im older and smarter and a lil more wrinkly

:D
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:40 pm | #
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HAHAHAHAAHAHA
hoode | 12.23.07 - 3:43 pm | #

Michelle | 12.23.07 - 3:43 pm | #

Your correct. Usual garbage. By the way, APW is a fake Melaine Morgan. Broke my heart.
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:46 pm | #

And what's wrong with older and smarter and a little.....oops, forget the wrinkly part.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 3:43 pm | #

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beauty before brains right?

lol my ex fiance once told me that intelligence actually takes away from a womans beauty - im glad im already fulgy so i dont hafta worry about it

bring on the wrinkles - im kinda tired of being id'd all the time anyways

:D
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:46 pm | #

Well, you ex was a fool for making such a statement. there is nothing sexier than a good brain in a woman.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 3:48 pm | #

"It had nothing to do with military succcess."

Bill:
You have just dropped another bomb on these trolls. They CAN'T deal with the simple fact.
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:50 pm | #

Well, you ex was a fool for making such a statement. there is nothing sexier than a good brain in a woman.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 3:48 pm | #

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depends on where that brain comes from - now einstiens brain on me while wearing something cute could be quite hot - but if i was to put say alan greenspans brain on me - i dont know if you'd still find that as sexy

plus there is the risk of brain juice ruining my makeup

so i say showercap on head first then apply brain?

gettin hot over here!
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:50 pm | #

LOLOLOLOLOL

Point well taken ana ;))
hoode | 12.23.07 - 3:55 pm | #

Facts folks, FACTS...
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:58 pm | #
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US citizens are not being told the facts. Those who choose, must surf far and wide to get accurate news about the ME. Bill addressed that in his original post. Didn't you read it? It starts:

People in the US are willing to believe the establishment media telling them that refugees are returning to their homes in Baghdad in an environment of improved security and new hope.

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Michelle | 12.23.07 - 3:56 pm | #

TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 3:46 pm | #
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Thanks for the info. Bummer. I was hoping for a better class of troll. ;o}

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Michelle | 12.23.07 - 3:59 pm | #

dear santa
i know i have been a slightlyy good girl this year so here is my christmas list

1) can you give bill o'rielly a set of boobs and please please give him his period back - his constant menopausing on the air is scaring most of us decent people and if you cant restart his ovaries pumping out the pink estrogen stuff then at least the boobs - because on good boob deserves another (besides i think it would be fun for the bra to be on the other chest dont you think?)

2) can you please give president bush a rubix cube - this should keep him intent until next november just in time for him to start his pardons

3) for dick cheney i wish for new head of hair - i understand men must lose their hair sometimes and this is stately and sohpisticated - but that glare is surely why he couldnt see further than his nose and shot his friend and the reflection surely must be blinding him as to his true position in the world

4) for hoode i would like a chia "bush " pet or one of those aerogardens stocked with pot to aide his relaxation from trolls

5) for ann coulter, a binky - santa do you really need an explanation for this?

6) for hillary clinton - ann coulter's binky from last christmas - because this will be as close to lesbian spit swapping we will see from these two

7) for me santa all i ask is one year free from nail breakage
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 4:01 pm | #

Bill addressed that in his original post. Didn't you read it?

Michelle | 12.23.07 - 3:56 pm

No he didn't read it. He posted that this thread was about good news in Iraq.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 4:03 pm | #

These trolls all sound remarkably like tim to me. they just arent claiming to be military.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 3:06 pm | #

That's because they are all the same 2 or 3 people
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 4:04 pm | #

Hey ! It seems that things are getting better in Iraq, after an iranian urge, not surge, to stop the violence :
http://tinyurl.com/38thaq
(link to the WaPo)
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 4:22 pm | #

UNLIKE FOX NEWS, THIS SITE GIVES YOU

DAILY REPORTS ON THE VIOLENCE IN IRAQ AND NOT JUST THE "HAPPY NEWS" THAT FOX IS KNOWN FOR:

http://warnewstoday.blogspot.com/
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 4:22 pm | #

And one more thing, me likea do the cha-cha while playing with my very small penis me likea do the cha-cha ya.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 4:24 pm | #

Mods can we please put a stop to the name Hijacking?
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 4:27 pm | #

Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 4:27 pm
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LOL. Don't worry about it Count. We can tell who wrote it by the content.

Juvenile mentality, sheer stupidity and pure insanity is not as easy to disguise as Eh Hole seems to think it is.

:>))
Anonymous | 12.23.07 - 4:33 pm | #

I hope there will be a lot more of this in the coming days. Our wounded veterans need this....

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/...concert_071221/
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 4:35 pm | #

WILL FOX NEWS BE REPORTING THIS OR WILL THEY STICK TO THE SAME OLD CRAP THAT EVERYTHING IS SWELL IN IRAQ?

2 killed in violence in northern Iraq

www.chinaview.cn 2007-12-23 21:55:49 Print

Special report: Tension escalates in Iraq

Mosul, Iraq, Dec. 23 (Xinhua) -- A car bomb and gunfire killed two people in Iraq's northern province of Nineveh on Sunday, local police sources said.

A car bomb parked on the main road near the Hamam al-Alil town,40 km south of the provincial capital of Mosul City, detonated near a police patrol, killing a civilian and wounding five policemen, Brigadier Abdul Kareem al-Jubouri, head of the provincial police operations office, told Xinhua.

The attack damaged a police vehicle and several nearby shops and civilian cars, Jubouri said.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 4:38 pm | #

:>))
Anonymous | 12.23.07 - 4:33 pm
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That was me. This is me blaming Haloscan for my mistake.

Sometimes the liberal media wants to cover the real news but there are only so many hours in the day: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom...29414819& size=o

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Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 4:38 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 4:38 pm | #

VINCE P. MY POST IS ABOUT HOW FOX NEWS DOES NOT COVER ADEQUATELY THE WAR IN IRAQ. Not all the stuff your are posting.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 4:40 pm | #

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 4:38 pm | #

YAWN!!!!!!!!! Has there ever been a more boring troll than this dweeb???
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 4:44 pm | #

OK Bill, I will grant that the soldiers at Walter Reed need something to take their minds off their injuries, but I am still upset over Vets not getting the benefits that they have earned and are clearly entitled to.

I have found that many smaller,local newpapers report on Vets issues better than the MSM. Like this one I found yesterday:

But more than 18 months after he was first wounded in Iraq, Pennington said he is still waiting for the benefits he needs to get an education and move on with his life.

"I would rather be depending on myself," said Pennington, who said he was discouraged by Veterans Affairs personnel from applying to Colby College in Waterville, where he hoped to study political science, because it was too expensive.

He said he also qualifies for about $8,000 worth of adaptive furniture to help him get around his home -- but he has only received a handle with suction cups to help him balance in the shower.

http://morningsentinel.mainetoda...al/ 4587125.html

Those are the stories that break my heart.

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Michelle | 12.23.07 - 4:47 pm | #

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The number of U.S. military and Iraqi civilian deaths has dropped dramatically, according to recent reports, although American military officials said it is too soon to declare a turning point in the conflict.

Thirty-seven Americans have died in October, the lowest monthly figure since March 2006 when 31 perished, according to the U.S. military.

Three soldiers died Tuesday southeast of Baghdad when a roadside bomb struck a U.S. military patrol.

The number of Iraqi civilians killed in September was 844, down from 1,990 in January, according to Iraqi governmental figures provided to CNN.

Slain bodies found dumped in Baghdad dropped from 428 in August to 301 in September and 151 so far in October, the Iraqi Interior Ministry said.

The numbers mark a decline in fatalities since the war began in March 2003 and point to a decrease in violence after a year of pitched battles and sectarian strife.

Still, cautious U.S. and Iraqi military officials aren't ready to proclaim a decisive moment in the war, saying such an outlook would require the Iraqi government to do a better job of promoting political reconciliation and compromise.

"Well, I think we're almost there," said Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the No. 2 U.S. commander in Iraq, interviewed by CNN. "I tell everybody we have momentum. We've not yet created what I consider to be irreversible momentum, but our goal is to create that irreversible momentum."

Other examples of a decline in violence have emerged as well. Watch how a music store owner views the drop in violence »

An Iraqi commander, Lt. Gen. Abud Qanbar, said last week there have been steep decreases in attacks such as car bombings, terrorist operations against Iraqi security forces and civilians, and sectarian assassination attempts.

Iraqi and U.S. officials point to several factors contributing to this decline:

The "surge" offensive added nearly 30,000 U.S. troops this year in Baghdad and insurgent-filled regions near the capital such as Anbar and Diyala provinces.

The Mehdi Army, the militia of the anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, is holding to its cease-fire. Authorities believe the militia has been responsible for killing Sunnis and rival Shiites.

Strides are being made in combating the Sunni-dominated al Qaeda in Iraq.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/ me...html#cnnSTCText
OPPS! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 4:50 pm | #

US commander: Big drop in attacks
Story Highlights
Diyala province still sees some of Iraq's worst violence, U.S. commander says

He warns of "continued spectacular attacks"

Commander: U.S. military has seen "precipitous decline" in bomb attacks

U.S. military: Violence down by as much as 60 to 70 percent in some places

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- The top U.S. commander in northern Iraq warned Wednesday that al Qaeda in Iraq was still capable of staging spectacular attacks, despite a 50 percent drop in bombings and other violence in his region.

Army Maj. Gen. Mark P. Hertling said al Qaeda in Iraq was being pushed north by the increased numbers of U.S. troops that surged into Baghdad over the summer and fall. The insurgents are also being flushed out of Anbar province by "awakening councils" -- groups of Sunni Arab tribesmen the U.S. military has backed to help fight al Qaeda in Iraq and its allies.

"Many of them have transited our province" of Diyala, which has seen some of the worst violence in Iraq, he said. "There are still some very bad things happening in that province, but we are continuing to pursue al Qaeda, so they don't find a safe haven anywhere."

He said al Qaeda extremists could still carry out attacks against infrastructure projects such as bridges.

"You know, there are going to be continued spectacular attacks," he said when asked about the bombing of a bridge across Mosul dam on Monday.

The attack, carried out with a truck bomb, closed the bridge to vehicle traffic and may have been an attempt by insurgents to bring down the dam. It may also have been an effort by insurgents to create a temporary safe haven on one of its banks.

Built in the 1980s on the Tigris River near Mosul, the dam made headlines in June after a report by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said potential erosion of its foundation could cause it to buckle under the water pressure. Such an event could lead to flooding in Mosul and parts of Baghdad, 225 miles to the south.

"We have some intelligence that says it was part of a bigger plot. There is some intelligence that they may have wanted to cut off that side of the river to make safe havens," Hertling said. "There are some indications that they wanted to close that route because it is used by coalition forces."

Hertling added: "I personally think it is an additional indicator that these people who are trying to disrupt the people of Iraq will do anything to screw up the people of Iraq."

He said that during an ongoing operation against insurgents and al Qaeda in western Diyala province, military forces discovered weapons caches, a torture chamber with a bed that was wired to electrocute victims and knives and swords covered in blood.

Violence in Iraq has abated in recent months, and the U.S. military has said it has dropped by as much as 60 to 70 percent in some places.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/ me...html#cnnSTCText
OPPS! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 4:55 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 4:56 pm | #

vince p = lets not play this game again - you and i have been through this before - and youc an post all the muslim horro stories you want - and i can post equally horrifying stories about christianity, or any other faith of your choosing - so stop it - your not a child - act your wasit size please -

i mean come one - 44% of muslims in germany have a fundamental orientation - how does that measure up to 54% of americans believing the earth is only 7000 years old, and the 47% of americans who say the earth might just be flat

get a hold on yourself

i thought your little tantrum about libel and slander was enough to get a break from you for a few days - arent you embarrassed about looking so silly and un informed on the law? how are we supposed to believe you have a grasp pn the world when you cant even grasp basic civil law ?
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 4:57 pm | #

as a balance to vince p and his race baiting - i would like to say that most muslims like most christians and most jews and most hare krishna's are peaceful easy people

do not make the mistake in blaming a religion for a few radicals = i wouldnt expect it about tim mcviegh or pope sixtus any more than i would bin laden and his loony toons
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:00 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 5:01 pm | #

to vince because he didnt seem to get it the first time:

vince - you hold no sway on this board because you dont have the intelligence to hold an argument on your own and you make posts that point very strongly to a racist mind -

first of all - its not slander or libel - you dont understand the law in this area - your reputation isnt being impuned nor is it clear that you are who you say you are - let alone the fact that using just a first name means that there is no possible way your name can be impuned since you do not have the fame of say true one word namers like madonna or prince - and if you go back now and put your full name in - your lawsuit is effectivly dead in the water because you hyave been informed of the situation - in other words you would be changing your signature (Read thats what it is if you use vince p as opposed to your full name) to further litigation - which would be thrown out of court and you could be tried for fraud.

second of all - if your on a debate site and your debating and someone calls you a liar - then that is not libel - because on a debate site it is impossible to impune your reputation unless they actually lied about you, your sexuality, your sexual or personal behaiviour - none of which this applies to

so stop your crying and if you want to be respected as a conservative on this board like i am - then discuss issues and facts and stop the name calling and bomb throwing and argue with your mind not your sadly misguided heart

as for cavuto - he certainly certainly implies dissent is treason - he might not say it outright - nor does he need to - because sugestion is far more powerful than directly saying it

i think your intellectually dishonest because even a conservative knows that cavuto does this

so yes

i am calling you a liar

wanna sue me?

...ana
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 2:04 pm | #
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:02 pm | #

Ana: The Leftist canard of name-calling does not bother me

so go ahead and let the insults roll... Let everyone know how mature you are by making comment after comment of the same insults that you have used a billion times before

If you want to spread lies too.. go right ahead, show us what your character is made of.

This is the Leftist game.... absolutely ignorant on the facts, so demonization is the plan.
Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:01 pm | #
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oh good lord

call me a leftist again and maybe you just might believe it

your not a conservative - how dare you even think you are - your a psuedo nazi in sheeps clothing

barry goldwater is rolling over in his grave at the thought you might consider yourself a conservative

and please - please remember im ten times the conservative you'll ever be
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:04 pm | #

Ana: The Leftist canard of name-calling does not bother me

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lol btw i saw cal thomas use that exact sentance on fox news watch

verbatim

hows about that!~
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:06 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 5:06 pm | #

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:08 pm | #

why do i even bother

if you weren't such a sad person i'd actually find this funny

hey is that you woke pretending to be a conservative?

i mean no one can really be this absurd

(no offense to woke of course)

its so absurd it reminds me of the guy who used to counter me on my spelling all the while mispelling his criticism of my spelling

take me to the hospital and hook me up to that irony drip please!
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:09 pm | #

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:01 pm | #

This dweeb has constantly engaged in the name calling he's now complaining about. He's not only an asshole he's an hypocritical asshole.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 5:10 pm | #

LOL. Whiny baby, there's no Left and there's no Right. There's only Americans, some sane and some insane.
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:11 pm | #

Ana if you ever read my blog you will see that name calling is Vinny's specialty.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:13 pm | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:04 pm | #
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Ana, Vince is an independent. Like Bill O'Reilly.
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 5:13 pm | #

Ana, Vince is an independent. Like Bill O'Reilly.
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 5:13 pm | #

Actually Vince admitted he doesn't vote he isn't shit.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:14 pm | #

i mean he actually suggested that cavuto doesnt engage in demonizing desentors because cavuto learned the value of a question mark

lmao
and he wants us to take him seriously on islam

then again racism is usually the purvey of the obtruse unconversant
but then racism is usually the purvey
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:15 pm | #

Vince is very afraid of Muslims.

He considers it his job to be a FEARMONGER.

He is most likely PAID to do it?

Otherwise, if he truly believes what he spews here, why wouldn't he join up to kill them all, as he encourages others to do?
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:15 pm | #

Actually Vince admitted he doesn't vote he isn't shit.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:14 pm | #
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lol doesnt vote?

does he know that means he isnt free? only those who vote are free - democracy doesnt exist if you dont vote

well im glad i got to vote for him then
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:16 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 5:17 pm | #

woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:15 pm | #
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When the Muslims take over all the laundries, now THAT will be catastrophic. Just imagine all those fearmongers unable to wash their pants…
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 5:18 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 5:18 pm | #

ana: I knew you wouldnt speak against those tactics used against me.

You reveal yourself to be unprincpled.

You criticize me for attacking an abstraction, an ideology.. but then when I , an individual, am attacked you are silent.

I'm sure you have some way of rationalizing your cowardace.

The Leftist Groupthink is a very powerful force.

This is the Left in America today: Cross us and we crush you.

To bad I'm not a Muslim who wants to kill you.. you'd be throwing yourselves to catch the metaphoric bullets coming my way.
Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:17 pm | #
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hmmmm you need to check again - i did absolutly speak out against the name calling and the pedophile claims - absolutly did -

go back to the other threads and read again

i even said there is positive growth in iraq

ill take that apology now

thanx
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:19 pm | #

They don't vote and won';t serve to back up their fearmongering.

Too Funny

Apparently, they don't believe the bs they spew.
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:19 pm | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:20 pm | #

Z

so true, i'm sure mommy will do it for them tho
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:20 pm | #

Well Vinnie, one things for sure, no one can accuse you of being a renaissance man.

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Michelle | 12.23.07 - 5:21 pm | #

Well Vinnie, one things for sure, no one can accuse you of being a renaissance man.

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Michelle | 12.23.07 - 5:21 pm | #

Hell, first he'd have to learn to spell renaissance.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 5:23 pm | #

Since 9/11 they now have a new weapon, it's called Newshounds.
Nor Easter | 12.23.07 - 1:53 pm | #

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.

All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."_Hermann Goering
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:25 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 5:26 pm | #

Apparently, they don't believe the bs they spew.
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:19 pm | #
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heya woke
if they dont believe it - then why spread hate against so many hundreds of millions of people?
dont they have a soul?

who would jesus besmirch?

i kinda remember a story about the jews fearmongering the samaritans and jesus doing the exact opposite - making them into heroes - something that has lasted to this day

remember good samaritans

the buddha says:

The fear of death and infernal rebirths
due to my evil actions has led me to practice
in solitude in the snowcapped mountains.

On the uncertainty of life's duration
and the moment of death I have deeply meditated
Thus have I reached the deathless, unshakable citadel
of realization of the absolute essence.

My fear and doubts have vanished like mist
into the distance, never to disturb me again.

I will die content and free from regrets.
This is the fruit of Dharma practice
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:28 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 5:28 pm | #

FrankC,

I thought about using the term 'metrasexual', but I figured that would open a whole different can of worms. At least rennaissance is a more neutral term.

;o}
Michelle | 12.23.07 - 5:29 pm | #

Ana I like you a lot but trust me on this Vince likes little boys.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:30 pm | #

ana

WHY?

Because they are PAID to do it.

Political PROSTITUTES.

If they truly believed, they would have joined up.

The occupation of iraqnam is not about politics, or religion or race.........it's about $$$$$$$$, imho.

The bible says one cannot serve God and money
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:31 pm | #

"From what is dear, grief is born,
from what is dear, fear is born.
For someone freed from what is dear
there is no grief
-- so why fear?

From what is loved, grief is born,
from what is loved, fear is born.
For someone freed from what is loved,
there is no grief
-- so why fear?

From delight, grief is born,
from delight, fear is born.
For someone freed from delight
there is no grief
-- so why fear?

From sensuality, grief is born, from sensuality, fear is born.
For someone freed from sensuality
there is no grief
-- so why fear?

From craving, grief is born,
from craving, fear is born.
For someone freed from craving
there is no grief
-- so why fear?"
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:32 pm | #

hoode | 12.23.07 - 5:33 pm | #

Ana I like you a lot but trust me on this Vince likes little boys.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:30 pm | #
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i like you too count i just dont see why it matters if he does or doesnt he isnt on here expousing sexual repressiveness like o'rielly
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:33 pm | #

But Ana I would like to do the cha-cha with you while I wave my small penis around, I love to do da cha-cha with my willy waving ya.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:34 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 5:35 pm | #

he isnt on here expousing sexual repressiveness like o'rielly
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:33 pm | #

he posted a 5 page defense 0f Mark Foley.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:35 pm | #

If BabaBooey actually DID mean to accuse.....shame on him or her. But somehow I dont think that was the intent.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 5:33 pm | #
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ah you know i missed the subtle irony of that post by babbooey -
that went totally over my head until you pointed it out

and you know - i think that proves the point about cavuto more than anything doesnt it

inherent gotta love it
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:35 pm | #

BILL

Love the video of lil aWol. He claims to be a man of God.

Who says I am not under the special protection of God?
Adolf Hitler

. "I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." —to a group of Amish he met with privately, July 9, 2004

he claims war is peace

Strength lies not in defence but in attack.
Adolf Hitler

"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace." —Washington, D.C. June 18, 2002
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:36 pm | #

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:18 pm | #

what a child. that picture proves what exactly???
hoode | 12.23.07 - 5:36 pm | #

he posted a 5 page defense 0f Mark Foley.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:35 pm | #

i missed that - how can you defend mark foley? the guy is a creep
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:36 pm | #

Strength lies not in defence but in attack.
Adolf Hitler-

actually that was the nbeo con line for their pernicious defense of the war in iraq

go figure right?

be careful there vince your dangerously close to shooting yourself in the foot
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:38 pm | #

Vince is not afraid, he says he is worried.

But not worried enough to put his own ass on the line for what he claims to believe.

He wants someone else to put their ass on the line for him.
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:38 pm | #

Vince even though I am an asshole to you I would like to let you know I likea do the cha-cha while waving my small penis at young boys, ya likea do da cha-cha.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:38 pm | #

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:35 pm | #
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good so you are all for invading Saudi Arabia then right???? Are you packing up to go see your recruiter yet???
hoode | 12.23.07 - 5:40 pm | #

The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.
Adolf Hitler

Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.
George W. Bush
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:41 pm | #

vince honey = they make a point that is valid - if your so disturbed by islam why havent you signed up for combat? its a valid question
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:42 pm | #

ACE | 12.23.07 - 5:42 pm | #

Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:38 pm | #

He also steals identities.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:42 pm | #

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:35 pm | #
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You're worried. You're right to be worried. But don't be obsessed, and try to not look as if you're losing your head. Worry, but stay in the real world, where most muslims doesn't give a flying fuck what you do of your time, and mind peacefully their own business.
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 5:42 pm | #

Remember admitting you have a problem is the very first step on the road to recovery!
ACE | 12.23.07 - 5:42 pm | #
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doppleganger?
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:43 pm | #

"Vince is not afraid, he says he is worried.

But not worried enough to put his own ass on the line for what he claims to believe.

He wants someone else to put their ass on the line for him."
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:38 pm | #

That is the precise definition of a rich, privileged, silver-spoon fed, dyed-in-the-wool PFC (Privileged Fascist Chickenhawk).
Rich S | 12.23.07 - 5:43 pm | #

But not worried enough to put his own ass on the line for what he claims to believe.

He wants someone else to put their ass on the line for him."
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:38 pm | #

That's because he is a chickenshit.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:45 pm | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:43 pm |
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Ignorant Slut?

Edited By Siteowner
ACE | 12.23.07 - 5:45 pm | #

ana

that one is one of those bully o'lielly stalker people

every thread i post on....he post the exact same shit......SMEAR

cannot deal with the REALITY and FACTS being presented before him.....just smear the messenger....

either, their indoctrination causes them to become rapid at the sight of TRUTH

or

they are PAID POLITICAL PROSTITUTES

i say, the LATTER......
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:46 pm | #

ACE | 12.23.07 - 5:45 pm | #
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Isn't he chic and clever ? A real ace.
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 5:47 pm | #

The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.
Adolf Hitler

“We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories … And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." —Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:49 pm | #

The neocons have OUTED themselves with their dirty little warmongering for profit

Fascism=Neocons

1. Nationalism
2. Disdain for Civil Rights
3. Scapegoating political opponents as ENEMIES
4. Military Supremacy
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with national security
8. Religion and government combined
9. Corporate Power Protected
10. Labor Unions repressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections

http://www.libertyforum.org/show...tion& Number=642 109&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:52 pm | #

N.E. | 12.23.07 - 5:54 pm | #

N.E. | 12.23.07 - 5:59 pm | #

Anonymous | 12.23.07 - 5:59 pm | #

Music touches the soul in ways that words cannot.As we prepare to celebrate the birth of the Christian "Prince of Peace",here are some offerings of song to celebrate what all people everywhere wish.
The first is Joan Baez singing "Where have all the Flowers Gone"

http://youtube.com?
/watch?v=sKvdPsnkPCO

This is a song about the Christmas truce in the trenches in France in 1914.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8tFP1ySGYEU

And lastly,the incomparable John Lennon.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fvNRHrKyaX4

Merry Christmas to all.May the peace of the season be upon you.
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 5:59 pm | #

Anonymous | 12.23.07 - 6:00 pm | #

N.E. | 12.23.07 - 5:54 pm | #

copied directly off of The Washington Post.

I guess doing your own writing is too tiring eh??
hoode | 12.23.07 - 6:01 pm | #

a needle for the MUTTS in 2008 |

Maybe you should spend less time on the internet and more time in uniform.
Anonymous | 12.23.07 - 6:02 pm | #

Sockpuppet.

Will | 12.23.07 - 6:02 pm | #

We'll try the Joan Baez again.

http://youtube.com?/watch?v=sKvdPsnkPCO
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 6:02 pm | #

faux neocon network is the most overt and outrageous of the msm

but ALL the msm is controlled by their CORPORATE MASTERS

and compared to the other networks, faux may be more lying and misinforming, but they are small potatoes to CBS, NBC, ABC, etc....

This site is specifically dedicated to outing faux lies....after watching the misinformation runup to iraqnam and the attack on our election validity in 2000, allowing lil aWol's own cousin to reverse the call.....after midnight...the others then followed suit, tho, it was too close to call who might have won FLA. ........if his daddy's cronys had not stopped a legal recount...ignoring state's rights.....we do know who garnered the most American's votes tho....half a million more...

NE...The site you are looking for is mediamatters.org

founded by David Brock, former RW "journalist" hit man and now reformed and outing all rw media bias.....

also penned Blinded By the Right.
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:02 pm | #

btwNE
what's that called if you post something someone else wrote, with no link or reference to the author??
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:03 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 6:03 pm | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:43 pm |

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Ignorant Slut?
ACE | 12.23.07 - 5:45 pm | #

umm excuse me?
exactly where do you get off calling me a slut?

yuh your a moral person alright
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:04 pm | #

well NE

calling me "disturbed" is not refuting ANY of the FACTS or quotations i've posted.....

just juvenile namecalling

that the best you can do son?
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:05 pm | #

dont worry ana ace is about 12 years old and may not even know what the word means
hoode | 12.23.07 - 6:05 pm | #

Merry Christmas to all.May the peace of the season be upon you.
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 5:59 pm | #

same to you not
hugs and thanx for the songs
:D
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:06 pm | #

N.E. | 12.23.07 - 5:54 pm | #

copied directly off of The Washington Post.

I guess doing your own writing is too tiring eh??
hoode | 12.23.07 - 6:01 pm | #
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Sweetie I'm just attempting to show that poor woke poster a little truth. He/She doesn't seem to be a very happy person.

And those crazy delusions of his/hers, oh my!

Edited By Siteowner
N.E. | 12.23.07 - 6:07 pm | #

wow this is the worst i have seen news hounds

where did these people come from?

would jesus call me a slut?

would jesus puke over someone posting a nice holiday sentiment?

who would jesus torture?

who would jesus go to war with?>

they have a word for people who incite fear and lean towards war

its called evil
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:07 pm | #

Sweetie I'm just attempting to show that poor woke poster a little truth. He/She doesn't seem to be a very happy person.

And those crazy delusions of his/hers, oh my!
N.E. | 12.23.07 - 6:07 pm | #
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his btw - and what delusions?

woke and i disagree on a lot - especially the surge in iraq - but you did plaigerize that statement and woke was right on - can you not post something of your origin as opposed to someone elses>?
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:09 pm | #

well, this is for BILL

thanks BILL, for posting the TRUTH about this unnecessary occupation of a country that never asked for our intervention, now an insurgency and civil war, whose sects only have one thing in common....

THEY ALL HATE AMERICA and want our troops out NOW

and so do i....
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:09 pm | #

N.E. | 12.23.07 - 6:07 pm | #

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Hey Tim....Merry christmas
hoode | 12.23.07 - 6:09 pm | #

I think the holiday greeting is especially nice here in México...

Felices Fiestas!

guess they already lost the war on Christmas
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:10 pm | #

vince how come you wont answer my question about why you arent serving in combat?
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:11 pm | #

He wont serve in Combat. That is for professional troops to do. Thats isnt his careeer choice see.

Thats the new mantra for the slugs who champion war but refuse to put their life ion the line for things they insist they are terribly concerned about.

They are only concerned from their fat easy chair
hoode | 12.23.07 - 6:14 pm | #

Kinda like the chickenhawks that LEAD THEM AROUND BY THE SHORT HAIRS.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 6:15 pm | #

Sockpuppet.

Pedro | 12.23.07 - 6:15 pm | #

Study: More Veterans Are Uninsured
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By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: October 30, 2007
Filed at 5:46 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON (AP) -- About one of every eight veterans under the age of 65 is uninsured, a finding that contradicts the assumption many have that all vets qualify for free health care through the Veterans Affairs Department, says a new study.
Researchers at Harvard Medical School projected that about 1.8 million veterans overall lack health coverage. That's an increase of 290,000 since 2000.

The study notes that the VA in January 2003 ordered a halt to the enrollment of most veterans who are not poor. The move was designed to reduce the backlog of patients waiting for care.
But Peter Gaytan, who monitors veterans' issues for the American Legion, said veterans now make as little as about $24,000 a year in some regions and still do not qualify for health coverage from the VA.
''That decision created a large number of veterans who have served in the U.S. military who are denied access,'' Gaytan said.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/...gin& oref=slogin

January, 2003 this regime reduced coverage for vets, 2 months prior to creating an unnecessary war for their own profits
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:16 pm | #

Off topic.

frxs | 12.23.07 - 6:16 pm | #

1) Whenever a Muslim community starts to develop a sharia-based idenity of the Ummah vs the Kuffar and they begin to take dawa seriously, then it's only a matter of time before a jihadist enclave forms.

2) All the institutions that the Left dominate will put up all obstacles to addressing the issue..

3) We have Europe as the model... they're probably a good 10 years ahead of us in thier descent into Lebanonization.. we'll get to see what happens when tolerating the intolerable.
Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:03 pm | #
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Number 1 makes sense. That said, going to war in muslims countries isn't going to change that. Infiltrating the communities would be better. It's more a police work, or secret service job than anything else.

Number 2 is your partisanship taking control. It doesn't make much sense, but I don't know if you're able to admit it.

Number 3 is you losing it again, probably because you're more afraid than worried, finally, and you only listen to european right wingers, little fascists, racists, neo-nazis.
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 6:16 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 6:16 pm | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:11 pm | #

I think Vinnie P's attitude is something like this: "WAAAAAAAAAAH! I don't want to enlist or get drafted, that's only for working stiffs and poor people. People like me are supposed to MAKE LOTS OF $$$$ from wars, NOT FIGHT OR DIE IN THEM!"
Rich S | 12.23.07 - 6:16 pm | #

Vet suicides
2007-11-14 | The problem of suicide among veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has recently been in the news, with the Department of Veteran Affairs promising to beef up its mental health services in response. Veterans of previous conflicts continue to have problems as well, and the VA has estimated that a total of 5000 suicides among veterans can be expected this year.

However, CBS News has now completed a five-month study of death records for 2004-05 which shows that the actual figures are "much higher" than those reported by the VA.

Across the total US veteran population of 25 million, CBS found that suicide rates were more than twice as high as for non-veterans (according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, suicide accounted for 32,439 deaths in 2004).

MORE by David Edwards and Muriel Kane
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/ Re...e_100_1113.html
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:17 pm | #

Sockpuppet.

dan | 12.23.07 - 6:18 pm | #

Greetings to all from the third world by a 3rd rate libtard, who cares eh?
Pedro | 12.23.07 - 6:15 pm | #

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wow you sure have that christmas sentiment

you know there is a war on christmas - but not from the left - sadly its from my peers on the right who see christmas as a materialistic consumer holiday and a way to banter around christianity and never actually live up to the message of christ

thank you for proving that point more than i ever could say -

hayduke - to you sir i say merry christmas and happy new year and bug hugs from a buddhist

and pedro - nice to see you make a return eh?

baby jesus wants his christmas back - you stole it from him and he is mad at you
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:18 pm | #

The question of a true dolt.

Ace was right you are an ignorant slut.
dan | 12.23.07 - 6:18 pm | #
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hokey smokes

im only a slut on thursdays got it? and only if count istvan and woke are around so i can flash them

lets get it right people
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:20 pm | #

Pedro | 12.23.07 - 6:15 pm

You do, obviously!
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:20 pm | #

Ace was right you are an ignorant slut.
dan | 12.23.07 - 6:18 pm | #

Another civil conservative.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:20 pm | #

Speaking for myself,the military is the last place I want Vince.

Our soldiers are trying to create a nation out of the chaos that is Iraq by appealling to the "hearts and minds" of the people.The chance of success is minimal,but with hate-filled souls like Vince deployed,the chance would be zero.
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 6:21 pm | #

"The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than a small one"...Hitler.

What was true in 1942 is still true today. Joseph Goebbels (Nazi Minister of Propoganda) and Karl Rove both had the same mindset and practice...lie to the people at will, wrap yourself in the flag (even if it's a tight fit), and spread fear to the masses with the full power of the government behind you.
It is true, most of us who have never been multi-millionaires or high-rolling politicians have never felt true power. Most of us cannot fathom that President Bush would intentionally ignore 41 seperate direct warnings from the CIA in 2001 concerning an "imminent attack" by Al-Quada. We cannot fathom that our President would let 9.11 happen, on purpose, as an excuse to attack Iraq and let his highly connected oil buddies from Texaco,etc. wrest control of the world's 2nd largest oil reserve...and to let Dick Cheney's Haliburton corporation, among others, reap great profits from a fraudulent war. We just can't seem to wrap our minds around a lie of this magnitude. (most of us)
Nor can we, the average citizen, fathom that our President would actually tell both us and our Congress direct lies concerning Saddam having "mobile weapons labs and yellow cake Uranium", as another way pave the way to a non-sensical, yet highly profitable war. Goebbels and Rove...Cheney and Hitler...if you know your history the similarities are unsettling.
Fox state run television | 12.23.07 - 6:21 pm | #

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:16 pm | #

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Just like I said ana.

He is too scared to go fight for what he INSISTS he FERVENTLY believes in. Thats for others to do. For him it is just fine to sit and post OTHER peoples posts while being smugly self important.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 6:21 pm | #

vince how come you wont answer my question about why you arent serving in combat?
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:11 pm | #

Why would you expect anyone to answer such a personal and irrelevent question?

Are you saying then that only folks who are in the military can have an opinion about the war?

If so, then shut the fuck up because you didn't go.
Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:16 pm | #

ana, how dare we question Vince's lack of courage of his "convictions"

that's too personal to why, if he spends hours on here posting bigoted hatred and FEAR of an entire religion, based on the actions of a handful of well financed SAUDIS.....he won't join up

ol vince wants us to STFU now

he doesn't like the US CONSTITUTION, rights to free speech and dissent....

he prefers the PNAC

neocons=fascism
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:21 pm | #

"That's the new mantra for the slugs who champion war but refuse to put their life ion the line for things they insist they are terribly concerned about.

They are only concerned from their fat easy chair."
hoode | 12.23.07 - 6:14 pm | #

And their definition of a draft is when there's a slightly open window near that fat easy chair.
Rich S | 12.23.07 - 6:22 pm | #

Vince P, why don't you take a seat?
Chris Hansen | 12.23.07 - 6:23 pm | #

btw vinniepoo

your logic is missing

if ana does not believe in the war, she shouldn't join up

YOU are the one believing in it...or so you say...
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:24 pm | #

neocons=fascism
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:21 pm | #

And always remember: Fascism = Nazism
Rich S | 12.23.07 - 6:25 pm | #

Greetings to all from the third world by a 3rd rate libtard, who cares eh?
Pedro | 12.23.07 - 6:15 pm

And from somebody who calls himself Pedro - Ayyy, Dios Mios!!!! But if there is any doubt about the "ugly American," I rest my case!
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:25 pm | #

And Joe Conason is spot on IMO....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:26 pm | #

But to play your little game... many people have decided to go to Iraq because they wanted to. and yet I dont see you respecting their opinion by allowing them to do what they elected to do.

Your little game of "your opinion is illegitimate if you didn't serve" is poison btw.
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ok vince three things here

first of all i support the surge so your point im not letting them do what they do is insane

second i signed up for the military

everyone else here knows that - why dont you? i didnt pass the physical - but i absolutly put my life on the line for them

third -
i wont have you using bad language to talk to me if you cant speak in a good tone then i have no reason to talk to you

fourth - if you push a war you refuse to serve in then yes - you must answer for this

absolutly i believe in that - which is why i signed up

you dont have half the guts or sense of the world i do -

because i actually spent the time to do my best by the people who are huritng in a war i dont support but was willing to fight because pretend consvertives like you only care about demonizing a whole religion rather than understanding or finding a pragmatic way to live your life

so next time - i think you better learn what and who your talking to before making baseless accusations

im the person you wish you could be

im balanced, conservative, i stand up for my beliefs not just on a forum but in the real world

im caring, compassionate and thoughtful

im learned and take the time to do well by others

you dont even have that ability
and one day you will learn that your the worst advocate for conservatism

and the only reason people on here dont say more worse things about conservatism is because some of us like me come here to show we all arent like you

got it?

you dont deserve to be here

and after your little display i will lobby the girls to have you banned

because i will not allow you to speak to me in such a childish and immoral way

you dont deserve to talk to me on any other level than beg for my forgiveness
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:27 pm | #

Today, Ron Paul was on Meet the Press talking about the Bush administration being very close to fascism!!!!!
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:27 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:25 pm

I suppose it's a mispelling of...

PEDO...

or fart ;o)
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:28 pm | #

hiya claudoooooooooooo!!!!!
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:29 pm | #

"Very close" is a KIND term in my view Claudo LOL
hoode | 12.23.07 - 6:29 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 6:29 pm | #

You tell him girl ;)))
hoode | 12.23.07 - 6:29 pm | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:27 pm

Truly, one of the most powerful posts that I've seen. You are a sistah who speaks truth to power!!!!
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:30 pm | #

YSockpuppet.

wake | 12.23.07 - 6:30 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:27 pm

That was quite a cover from American Conservative of Rudy too!

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12...-authoritarian/
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:30 pm | #

"Today, Ron Paul was on Meet the Press talking about the Bush administration being very close to fascism!!!!!"
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:27 pm | #

This is the SAME Ron Paul who, in an earlier debate, cited the principal reason why our embassy in Tehran, Iran was seized in November 1979--and why there are STILL some Iranians that ABSOLUTELY HATE OUR GUTS. Here's the URL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l...h? v=ldgbOxDX6DE
Rich S | 12.23.07 - 6:31 pm | #

ya well - i will put up with his crap until the language comes out - and to top it off to accuse me of not doing my duty

cursing is the last refuge of a small mind

i have ten times the courage he has

he's a coward

only reason he wont answer the question

hear me vince? your a coward and your little doppleganger games arent fooling anyone but yourself
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:32 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 6:29 pm

Why don't you take your bizarre, Islamophobic rants and peddle them elsewhere. Your Monomania is really tedious. But please be advised, if you engage in any "hate crime" against Muslims, your hateful and bizarre comments are all here....
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:32 pm | #

Yo Vinny,

1-800-USA-ARMY
General Escape Goat | 12.23.07 - 6:33 pm | #

ty claudo and woke
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:33 pm | #

More C&P from wakeup.org
hoode | 12.23.07 - 6:33 pm | #

Rich S | 12.23.07 - 6:31 pm

There's a reason why Uncle Sam is hated in the Islamic world. BTW, the right wing is, as we speak, complaining about "Charlie Wilson's War."
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:33 pm | #

wake

i woke up in 1969 in vietnam...

time
you
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:35 pm | #

ACE | 12.23.07 - 6:35 pm | #

woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:35 pm

"Time has come today..."
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:36 pm | #

ACE | 12.23.07 - 6:35 pm

Yo, trollBoy, how many time have you posted this crap? And you never answered me when I asked what your "clinical" qualificiations were to make the diagnosis and which part of the DSM IV, or psych eval you were citing.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:37 pm | #

Since vinnie posted something about kosovo, perhaps we should stroll down memory lane and see what his heroes had to say about it.....

"President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be_away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy.-Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That's why I'm against it."-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/5/99

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."__-Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning...I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo."-Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years"-Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"__-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."__-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

"You can support the troops but not the president"__-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"My job as majority leader is be supportive of our troops, try to have input as decisions are made and to look at those decisions after they're made ... not to march in lock step with everything the president decides to do."__-Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"These international war criminals were led by Gen. Wesley Clark ...who clicked his shiny heels for the commander-in-grief, Bill Clinton."__-Michael Savage

"It is a remarkable spectacle to see the Clinton Administration and NATO taking over from the Soviet Union the role of sponsoring "wars of national liberation."__-Representative Helen Chenoweth (R-ID)

thanks to Dee for posting this Feb 12, 2006
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:37 pm | #

Remember admitting you have a problem is the very first step on the road to recovery!
ACE | 12.23.07 - 6:35 pm | #

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i have a problem alright

its called idioglossia sensitivity syndrome

thank gosh its not chronic

i seek treatment daily by reading the words of the buddha

it has some side effects however

like seeing through silly repostings like that one
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:38 pm | #

woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:37 pm

Haven't seen Dee in a while. Hope she's OK.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:38 pm | #

Claudo,

Is batshit crazy in the DSM IV?I think it's in the same catagory as "nutty as a fruitcake".
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 6:40 pm | #

lol not

right under section III - lost and delerious
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:41 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 6:29 pm | #
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You don't listen to the Muslims, you listen to some Muslims. You chose your sources, and, surprise, they always have the same slant.

OK, go on, shit your pants because some iranian spokesman has declared Europe will be muslim. Believe that any crime involving a muslim is a sure sign of triumphant jihadism.

You're sick, man.

Yes, we have a problem with the salafists. No, abandonning Afghanistan and Ben Laden to go to war in Iraq wasn't the solution, and will never be. No, war isn't the best strategy against terrorism. It's not even good.
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 6:41 pm | #

notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 6:40 pm

LOL - I once knew a "clinical" person who referred, non clinically of course, to certain crazed individuals as "f'd in the head." Works for me.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:42 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 6:42 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 6:42 pm

Here we go, again, with the America hating BS. Tell me, Vince, digame, what constitutes America loving and why are we obliged to worship America. Huh!
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:44 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 6:42 pm

And if you don't like it, you can go elsewhere. Capiche?
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:45 pm | #

Cut & Paste Off topic.

Thanks For Voting! | 12.23.07 - 6:45 pm | #

"only a fool would make so many assumptions"

You are right.

But you follow that up with:

"a blog full of lying America-hating truth-avoiding Leftists"

Which, by your own definition, paints YOU as a fool!
Stosh | 12.23.07 - 6:45 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 6:46 pm | #

claudo

me too

as for chickenhawk ACE

perhaps he has some knowledge of the number of war vets who return with PTSD

the reagan admin, along with DECREASING the GI Bill (see Montgomery GI Bill) because our military became volunteer...(gee, seems to me they should have increased it for volunteers) ALSO refused to acknowledge the plight of traumatized vets with PTSD or provide treatment for years....

same for Agent Orange

It was ONLY thru the continued lobbying and information sharing of vet groups like the VVAW that finally got some attention and action by( the VA.....(Am Legion/VFW and the like don't like to rock the boat)

Now, one of the problems is DEPLETED URANIUM POISONING from our own weapons systems....

many gulf war I vets suffering.....and being ignored.....

and again, it is the VVAW having to demand action....

Louisiana VVAW Members Get First DU-Testing Bill Passed into Law

By Ward Reilly

http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/ arti...epleted+uranium
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:46 pm | #

wake | 12.23.07 - 6:30 pm | #
Rich S | 12.23.07 - 6:31 pm

There's a reason why Uncle Sam is hated in the Islamic world. BTW, the right wing is, as we speak, complaining about "Charlie Wilson's War."
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:33 pm

Hey wake--claudo makes an excellent point. Has it ever occurred to you that MAYBE the reason the U.S. is so hated in the Islamic world is because of what we've done in the Middle East and NOT "because of our freedoms"? Have you also ever thought about the possibility that another reason we're so hated is because of our unconditional support of Israel? Mark my words: the Islamic world has known this irrefutable fact for the last 60 years: as long as there's a U.S., there will be an Israel. THINK ABOUT IT.
Rich S | 12.23.07 - 6:47 pm | #

woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:46 pm

The only experience trollBoyz have with war are their video games and GI Joe dolls. Their rants are composed whilst gazing at Ann Coulter or Jeff Gannon posters and typing with one hand.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:48 pm | #

Kosovo is going to result in a disaster... the only question is how much damage will there be.

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 6:46 pm | #
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Probably. But it's not because Kosovars are muslims, it's because they are albanians, and want a total independence from the Serbs.
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 6:48 pm | #

The only experience trollBoyz have with war are their video games and GI Joe dolls. Their rants are composed whilst gazing at Ann Coulter or Jeff Gannon posters and typing with one hand.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:48 pm | #

i'm guessing GI Joe dolls with the KUNG FU GRIP
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:50 pm | #

Merry Almost-Christmas, all!

Another fine effort by Bill. I'm a late poster as we were without power all day, but I dutifully read all the posts. Once again, it's evident that Bill knows how to motivate the trollies.
Once truth that doesn't seem to dent the skulls of the trolls is that those who advocate for war and killing owe it to themselves to be true to their beliefs and, by example, lead the rest of the country in combat. Or at least convince a child or two to join the noble effort.
But it never seems to work that way, does it? Instead some of our most fervent activists spend their time here threatening litigation.
Ah, well.
MLP | 12.23.07 - 6:50 pm | #

Jolly Old Saint NicK | 12.23.07 - 6:51 pm | #

Cut & paste. Off topic.

Thanks For Voting! | 12.23.07 - 6:51 pm | #

MLP | 12.23.07 - 6:50 pm

Bill does seem to bring them out from under the bridges!!!!
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:51 pm | #

Anyone else here think Vince, ACE,and his sockpuppet community are narcassists who just like to hear their own voices?
tony | 12.23.07 - 6:52 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 6:52 pm | #

"These international war criminals were led by Gen. Wesley Clark ...who clicked his shiny heels for the commander-in-grief, Bill Clinton."__-Michael Savage

Why am I not remembering any rw outrage over this as the moveon ad......which merely repeated a phrase used by Rush Addict in Jan to describe Sen. Chuck Hagel.....

"Senator Betrayus"

no outrage over that either

with rwrs, it's politics over country
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:53 pm | #

With that point in mind, all who oppose Israel's right to live without Islamic fuckheads blowing themselves to bits in the agora, also, oppose the the United States.

This means that Sheehag and the goons on the left are traitors and should be treated as such.

Again, Rich, well said.
Jolly Old Saint NicK | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:51 pm | #

The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.
Adolf Hitler

Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.
George W. Bush

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.

All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."_Hermann Goering
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:25 pm | #
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:56 pm | #

Anyone else here think Vince, ACE,and his sockpuppet community are narcassists who just like to hear their own voices?
tony | 12.23.07 - 6:52 pm
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Add to that very lonely and very, very desperate.
MLP | 12.23.07 - 6:56 pm | #

Jolly Old Saint NicK | 12.23.07 - 6:56 pm | #

Yo Vince, you wanna talk Kosovo and Czar Lazar take it over to the Forum. Otherwise you're way OT.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 6:58 pm | #

All Seasons Greetings to you MLP, as well as the other NH posters

Peace on Earth, Goodwill to men and women

God Bless Us All, EVERYONE

except, i hope the warmongering, chicknhawks get what they wish on others.....
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:58 pm | #

Jolly Old Saint NicK | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:51 pm | #
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I don't see many Americans, or Europeans, opposing to Israel's right to live in peace and security. We just don't agree on the means.
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 6:58 pm | #

Hell come to think of it I'm lonely and desperate myself. I need a hug.
MLP | 12.23.07 - 6:58 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 6:59 pm | #

((((((((((MLP)))))))))))

Have an ale too, MLP, it's good for what ails ye!
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:00 pm | #

as long as there's a U.S., there will be an Israel. THINK ABOUT IT.
Rich S | 12.23.07 - 6:47 pm | #
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ummm well isreal has a problem

they drew their borders too large and in so doing increased their population - the problem is that there will be more palestinians in isreal than isrealis by 2020 - which of course means isreal will cease to exist - democraticly - the irony is overwhelming

of course there is one way for isreal to stop this

that is deny the palestinians the vote
and institute s.a. style aparthied

so either isreal commits human rights abuses or ceases to exist

the moral thing is for isreal to cease to exist - and the only people to blame are the isreali's

vince i only make assumptions on what i read of you

and you sir - came at me with offensive language not the other way around

i was completley right in what i said

your a coward and im ten times the man you are

i have more class and more bravery than you could imagine wishing for

and it is my goal to see you banned - how dare you talk to me the way you did
and i misguidly stook up for you

way to alienate the only people on your side
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:00 pm | #

MLP | 12.23.07 - 6:58 pm

Ahh, here we go again. I guess I should feel flattered?
MLP | 12.23.07 - 7:00 pm | #

"it's contemptible to call an honorable military man of impeccible charatcher a Traitor o with no legitimate basis"

Impeccable? Scuse me?
claudo | 12.23.07 - 7:00 pm | #

MLP | 12.23.07 - 6:58 pm | #

Vinny has got to be the biggest cry baby toll since the invention of blogging

going to sue me for slander vinny?
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:01 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 7:02 pm | #

Jolly Old Saint NicK | 12.23.07 - 7:02 pm | #

Have an ale too, MLP, it's good for what ails ye!
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:00 pm
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Excellent idea, my friend.
Perhaps one day we'll have one together.
The best to you and your loved ones!
MLP | 12.23.07 - 7:02 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 6:52 pm | #
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Sure. And it was Islam also who made the Norwegians become independent from the Danes, the Finns from the Swedes, the Algerian from the French, the Greeks from the Turks, the Bulgars from the same Turks, Hungary from Austria…
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 7:03 pm | #

Jolly Old Saint NicK | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:02 pm

Ah, those ole Messianic, dualistic blues again!!!!! Forces of light vs. forces of darkness - and they have the balls to diss Huckabee about the "cross!"
claudo | 12.23.07 - 7:03 pm | #

If the trolls are going quote bushbaby I think I'll put more rum in my nog.
tony | 12.23.07 - 7:05 pm | #

it's contemptible to call an honorable military man of impeccible charatcher a Traitor o with no legitimate basis
Vince P | 12.23.07 - 6:59 pm | #

UH, how about a General who FAILED miserably for 2 years (04-05) at his task of TRAINING IRAQIS to stand up for themselves, a task that occurs with American troops in less than 6 months?

and also

GAVE 120,000 AK-47's, a sniper's weapon of choice, and 80.000 pistols away UNACCOUNTED FOR....

anyone notice a rise in sniper attacks in iraqnam?

and then has the audacity to come back and testify in front of congress that a surge of only 30k troops is successful

although in HIS OWN WRITING in the military handbook on counterinsurgency, he states that to quell an insurgency the size of iraqnam, it would take over 500k troops?

INCOMPETENCE and LYING is ok

but Hagel, a vietnam war vet is fair game for rushaddict in your mind...vinnie??

pathetic imho
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:05 pm | #

Claudo...I think if Ron Paul, M.D. wasn't so intent on dismantling the Department of Education, I.R.S., and Drug Enforcement Agency, etc, (kinda scary)...I might actually halfway think of possibly voting for him. This Republican doesn't walk like the other Republicans.
Fox state run television | 12.23.07 - 7:05 pm | #

theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:01 pm
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He's all over the internet at blogs doing the same thing.
For a hoot, use the google for 'Pacella Chicago' and peruse the results.
MLP | 12.23.07 - 7:05 pm | #

Jolly Old St. N - = Uber Troll

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Jolly Old Saint NicK | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:06 pm | #

The best strategy, and only strategy, to defend the homeland is to chase the killers down, one at a time, and bring them to justice. It's if they're in a cave, we head into a cave. If they're in some shadowy neighborhood, we'll finally put the spotlight on the shadowy neighborhood.
What killers? The killers of Sept. 11 are dead, Dubya. Are we defending the homeland from ghosts or from people who have yet to kill anyone? I love "shadowy neighborhood". Davenport, Iowa, Sep. 16, 2002
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:06 pm | #

Fox state run television | 12.23.07 - 7:05 pm

While some of his ideas appear to be a bit zany, there's a core of truth. If you didn't see MTP, the transcript is available on line.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 7:07 pm | #

"Our nation faces a threat to our freedoms, and the stakes could not be higher. We are the target of enemies who boast they want to kill -- kill all Americans, kill all Jews, and kill all Christians. We've seen that type of hate before -- and the only possible response is to confront it, and to defeat it."

"Across the world, governments have heard this message: You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists."

George W. Bush
President of The UNITED STATES of AMERICA
Jolly Old Saint NicK | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:02 pm | #

you are making this too easy jollytrolley

The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.
Adolf Hitler
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:07 pm | #

http://www.dubyaspeak.com/search...e&stype=all& em=

forgot the link on my last post
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:08 pm | #

"Tyranny and terror and lawless violence will not decide the world's future."
Jolly Old Saint NicK | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:06 pm

Your neoconartist masters are sure giving it their best though....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:08 pm | #

Jolly Old Saint NicK | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:06 pm

Oh, it's our ole pal, Konservo. Yo, K-man, are you familiar with the Mark Twain quotes on "patriotism" or are they not mentioned in konservo school. Man, if you're not punking us, you really are pathetic.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 7:09 pm | #

im going to do something that may surprise many of you on here

tonight , like i do many nights i will talk to god and ask her to give us peace on earth and bring pragmatism to the world -
only tonight i will speak to jesus also

i dont know if jesus is god or part of god or a messiah and i dont think it matters

some of the greatest people ever to live werent christians - ghandi, the buddha, mother theresa , i could go on

but jesus still means something he means peace and goodwill and something the trolls like vince clearly doesnt understand

how could a little buddhist girl take his teachings more to heart than those who claim to fight in his name is beyond me - but tonight i send my thoughts in his general direction

i only hope that we can find a way to peacefully come together - its not what makes us the same that should bring us together - what a boring world that would be - its what makes us different that makes us human

some of the people on here do humanity a disservice they cant overcome their animalistic violent behaiviour

i will pray for them also

to you who put up with this demoralizing insignificant dribble everyday on here - i applaud your strength and your service to our country and our world

claudo, and woke, and notvery, and abby, and chrish, and roach et all are true americans and deserve the full love and support of us all no matter what side of the aisle we are on

namaste my friends

and to the trolls - wake up before you regret who youve become
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:09 pm | #

Jolly Old Saint NicK | 12.23.07 - 7:09 pm | #

The "yer either fer me or agin me" was mentioned in Kevin Phillips "American Theocracy" which details the Messiancic delusions of George Bush - who got God's approval for invading Iraq.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 7:10 pm | #

Deleted. response to already deleted comment.

john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:11 pm | #

claudo, and woke, and notvery, and abby, and chrish, and roach et all are true americans and deserve the full love and support of us all no matter what side of the aisle we are on

Put in a good word for me too please.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:12 pm | #

john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:11 pm

Vince has some serious problems with women, in addition to other things.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 7:12 pm | #

oh yes the count too - sorry i was trying to get everyone - i really meant to include you there too
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:13 pm | #

Jolly Old Saint NicK | 12.23.07 - 7:13 pm | #

"contain Iraq and it's weapons of mass desruction"

What a concept.Sure wish we had done it,instead of invading,and...well,you know the rest.
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 7:14 pm | #

What a hypocritical POS.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:11 pm
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Watch it, john t! He's gonna get him one of them lawyer fellas!
MLP | 12.23.07 - 7:14 pm | #

Jolly Old Saint NicK | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:13 pm

What's your point?
claudo | 12.23.07 - 7:14 pm | #

Jolly Old Saint NicK | 12.23.07 - 7:15 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 7:14 pm | #
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That's exactly what I was wondering.
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 7:15 pm | #

MLP | 12.23.07 - 7:14 pm

Although his nephew didn't go to Law School...

'cause they said he was "too nice"...

right.
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:16 pm | #

Watch it, john t! He's gonna get him one of them lawyer fellas!
MLP | 12.23.07 - 7:14 pm | #
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lol no lawyer in the world would take that case

remember slander requires demeaning of character

but he demeaned his own - and all of yours character first

then went after mine

and well - sorta imploded his whole case

it was a temper tantrum - not based in any legal logic

and he wants you to think he is informed on islam yet he doesnt even understand american law

hmmmm
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:16 pm | #

MLP | 12.23.07 - 7:14 pm

Oh, he's probably got the best lawyer in Hooterville.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:17 pm | #

lol

hooterville~~

thats where the sluts like me live

only on thursdays however
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:17 pm | #

Jolly 7:13 pm

Again,what a concept.Attacking the people who attacked you.Now if we had stayed with that mission instead of invading Iraq,which was contained, and had nothing to do with 9/11,but....well,you know the rest.
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 7:19 pm | #

*uncle
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:21 pm | #

OK, bye. Merry Christmas to those concerned and season's greetings for the rest of you miscreants;-)
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 7:21 pm | #

ana 7:09 pm

ty

BTW,what are you doing thursday ;0)
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 7:22 pm | #

I think of you as being more of a Petticoat Junction kinda gal.
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oooh i love those clothes tho!! im totally into the look lmao

byeeeee Zzorglub same to you
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:23 pm | #

BTW,what are you doing thursday ;0)
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 7:22 pm | #

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living up to my reputation!!
lmao
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:24 pm | #

Thanks For Voting! | 12.23.07 - 6:51 pm | #

Your partisan posts are irrelevant.

The issue is whether "we", the U.S., is doing the right thing or not - NOT whether the Reps or the Dems are "successful" or not in their endeavors.

But thanks for exposing yourself as a blind partisan, more concerned with whether the Reps or Dems ae succesful than whether they are right or wrong.

Party above country, right Thanks?

No need to answer - your prejudice is out there for everyone to see!
Stosh | 12.23.07 - 7:24 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 7:25 pm | #

Stosh | 12.23.07 - 7:24 pm

Thanks for Voting is Truthless: Anti American
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:27 pm | #

lol john

hey john - do you think we could convince vince about what its actually like to live under terrorism?
i think you and i may have a bit more knowledge in that than he would

make that A LOT more knowledge

then - i never ever got mad at the irish for what i had to endure growing up there - i felt for them - it made me a stronger person - it made me realize this isnt so black and white

this christmas i would like to point out to the world what a shining jewel ireland both north and south has become

the richest country in the world, the safest country in the world, and the country with the most loved head of state in world history

that is a model for my life and i think it could be a model for all of us

the irish arent my enemy - they are my role models
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:27 pm | #

vince,

could be funny?Do you laugh at Larry Craig jokes?

Or are you like Homer Simpson,"It's funny because they're different than me".
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 7:29 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 7:29 pm | #

I've been to Israel, thank you. I don't need your special knoweldge.
Vince P | 12.23.07 - 7:29 pm | #
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lol - people used to say that to me when i moved to america when they tried to explain to me why the "troubles" was a religious battle - even tho i assured them it wasnt - they would say "ive been to ireland i know EVERYTHING about it"

good one
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:31 pm | #

Woke, Hagel is from my state, and let me tell you this man is beyond reproach. Hagel, although Republican, is likely the most honest and forthright politician in America. Typical below-the-belt pundit crap for Rush "Oxy-addict" Limbaugh to slander Chuck Hagel.
Fox state run television | 12.23.07 - 7:09 pm | #

I always wondered why the repugs seldom, if ever, denigrate Sen Hagel

the answer is

he and his family own one of the largest voting machine companies

http://www.commondreams.org/view...s03/0131- 01.htm
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:31 pm | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:31 pm | #

Trolls are experts on everything like their mentors on Fox.

Yet they're always wrong about everything.
CafeenMan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:32 pm | #

ana coachella,

It would be a waste of time to try and convince Vince of anything.

You know how those 20yr olds are. They know everything about everything.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:32 pm | #

I've been to Israel, thank you. I don't need your special knoweldge.
Vince P | 12.23.07 - 7:29 pm | #

hell, i figured you LIVED there.

You certainly do not represent most Americans, our constitution or our values handed down through generations....
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:33 pm | #

i would love to have hagel as a president

not likely but he would be a good one i think

so its mccain for me

mccain is also beyond reproach i think

sometimes he flounders a bit and he had to find his way when it comes to iraq but he's getting my vote at this point
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:33 pm | #

I hate to break up all these fun and games, but here is a YouTube Christmas video from Iraq that puts everything in perspecitive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C...h? v=CaUuEY9vfFs

BILL CORCORAN, the old warrior still fighting for our troops in Iraq.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 7:35 pm | #

"Thanks for Voting is Toothless: Anti American"

I've always said that people who use terms like "truth" or "right" in their names never say anything that matches their names.
Stosh | 12.23.07 - 7:36 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 7:36 pm | #

I mean.. really.. you think you know me from this? You think you could know someone from their writting on a blog full of lying America-hating truth-avoiding Leftists and the person is one of the outsiders... triggering their Group Behavior and Group Defenses.

No one here hates America. NO ONE.

We may hate what SOME people are trying to do to our country. This hate America shot has to stop. YOU do NOT get to decide if U Love this country or not. Unlike YOU I fought for it.

ou have NO ground to stand one with your statement. Some people are trying to change our country into a neocon machine. I DONT WANT MY COUNTRY TO BE THAT.

YOur not liking that isnt important. Calling me or anyone else here an America hates shows how shallow you truly are.

No one here is running from the turth either. Most of the shit you post here I have read long before you posted it here. I take it with a grain of salt just as I do things from MSNBC or any other media.

You have proven over and over again that you are an immature melodramatic idealistic puppy who has MUCH to learn about the world.

As Claudo said....if you dont like it here then LEAVE. No one here wants to hear your shit anymore!!! According to your own post even the freeper sites dont want it.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 7:37 pm | #

hey vinnie

tell us why we attacked a country that did not attack us

and didn't attack the country that did attack us

SAUDI ARABIA supplied the finances and hijackers

just killing any ol muslims good enough for you vinnie?

i guess you are stipulating that you are not a christian
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:39 pm | #

Troll Credentials:

"I have a 401K, therefore I'm an expert on national economic issues."

"My dad worked for Shell in Saudi when I was 2, therefore I'm an expert on Middle East Policy."

"I saw 9/11 on TV, therefore I'm an expert on terrorism."

"I saw other people demonstrating on my street, therefore I'm an expert on politics."

"I watch Fox, therefore I'm an expert on anything and everything."

"I almost got lucky once, therefore I'm an expert on women's sexual issues."

"I pretend to be Christian, therefore I'm an expert on all the world's religions."
CafeenMan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:39 pm | #

Am cleaning up troll dirt.

Please do not respond to them.

They are being systematically eliminated as usual.

One (Dave) has crossed the line and has now been reported to his ISP as a terrorist for threatening our readers.

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Marie Therese | 12.23.07 - 7:40 pm | #

MT

thank you for allowing BILL C to post these threads

Seasons Greetings to you and yours and to all NH mods & posters
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:41 pm | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:33 pm |

I tink McCain has the same baggage as Hillary and that is that they are part of the machine. Both candidates seem too willing to go along with the status quo to get ahead.

IMHO, we need a sea change in the way the country is run and I don't see either of McCain or Clinton doing that.

Having said that I believe both are fine public servants, I just think they're too entrenched.

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Crash Chloride | 12.23.07 - 7:42 pm | #

I would have voted for McCain in 2000 but I'd never do it now.

He is too much the victim and that's not what we need as a national leader.
CafeenMan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:43 pm | #

We may as well just start bombing Russia right now.
Vince P | 12.23.07 - 6:52 pm | #
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what a shock. Vince hates Russians too.

We should kill al them too vince eh??? is there anyone outside of our borders we shouldnt bomb to death????
hoode | 12.23.07 - 7:44 pm | #

Marie Therese | 12.23.07 - 7:40 pm |

Damn. I wanted to get one statement in about:
"I pretend to be Christian, therefore I'm an expert on all the world's religions."
CafeenMan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:39 pm |

Like Vince, who didn't even know that Christ wasn't born in December! At least that is certainly what he made it sound like.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 7:44 pm | #

So which is it... are you trying to teach me what it's like to live under terrorism? (being on here is close).. or are you going to teach me the root causes of why they hate Americans and Israelis ?
Vince P | 12.23.07 - 7:36 pm | #
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im trying to show the idiocy in a post that states "ive been to isreal" means anything more than knowing what the airport in tel aviv looks like
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:45 pm | #

CafeenMan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:43 pm |

I did vote for McCain in 2000, but would not now. The man has sold out his principles.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 7:45 pm | #

IMHO, we need a sea change in the way the country is run and I don't see either of McCain or Clinton doing that.

Having said that I believe both are fine public servants, I just think they're too entrenched.

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Crash Chloride | 12.23.07 - 7:42 pm | #

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i could see that and i agree they are players of the game - but i dont think hillary would be a bad president and i dont think mccain would either i think they both have our national interest in their hearts and they arent misguided to a fault like some

i have said that in this election - with mccain, giuliani, clinton, obama, and edwards we are going to get a good leader either way

leading is less about where you stand on ideolical issues and more about how well your able to lead and a willingness to be pragmatic and open
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:48 pm | #

marie therese

thank you for reporting dave - i thought his post about killing liberals was too much also

much thanx mi'lady
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:50 pm | #

BTW,what are you doing thursday ;0)
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 7:22 pm | #

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HAHAHAHHAHA
hoode | 12.23.07 - 7:51 pm | #

I think Vince meant Israel, West Virginia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Isr...,_West_Virginia

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john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:51 pm | #

OK, bye. Merry Christmas to those concerned and season's greetings for the rest of you miscreants;-)
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 7:21 pm | #
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Merry Christmas zzorglubb ;)
hoode | 12.23.07 - 7:51 pm | #

One (Dave) has crossed the line and has now been reported to his ISP as a terrorist for threatening our readers.

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Marie Therese | 12.23.07 - 7:40 pm | #
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excellent
hoode | 12.23.07 - 7:56 pm | #

hayduke - because i think the problem is leadership and i think he has at least that - bush had no leadership ability whatsoever

a leader doesnt tell his people not to sacrifice he inspires them to sacrifice for the better good

i could be wrong about giuliani - but i do believe he has leadership qualities

im quite willing to suspend my personal ideologies for someone who will inspire america to be a better country - we are really suffering at the moment - we have lost our way, our goodness, our goals, our principles and its time we were motivated to something better before we are left in the dust - guiliani has qualities i like - he is for equality for all people including gys and lesbians, thats something that would help america tremendously - they are 10% of our country - and if we even just managed to incorporate them into the american fold america would be so much better off for it - by giving people the ability to self actualization we actually grow up as a people

thats what america needs right now - somehow to grow up
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:56 pm | #

And I agree with radmod...

McCain sold his his principles, if not his soul...

for a few sheckles...

and to me, that makes him dangerous....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:56 pm | #

Crash Chloride | 12.23.07 - 7:42 pm |

Call me the pessimist but I don't see change occurring with any of the candidates we have, or are likely to have. I simply don't believe an actual reformist-minded candidate can get elected. Instead, it will have to be a Woodrow Wilson end-around: somebody who gets elected through our corrupt, ridiculous measures and then forces the change.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 7:57 pm | #

i dont understand how he sold his soul tho

he supports the surge but he didnt suppord the war - i think thats a good thing - i know you all disagree with me on this - but i dont think he went against his principles

remember he never gave up on torture he has been steadfast against torture and the most vocal opponent to it in government - thats worth something right?

if not then vote for me and my hugs initiative

something we can all agree on is we need more hugs

ana coachella 08 and the "hugs from the right coalition"
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:59 pm | #

Call me the pessimist but I don't see change occurring with any of the candidates we have, or are likely to have. I simply don't believe an actual reformist-minded candidate can get elected. Instead, it will have to be a Woodrow Wilson end-around: somebody who gets elected through our corrupt, ridiculous measures and then forces the change.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 7:57 pm | #
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Unfortunately, I think that is more correct than not ;((
hoode | 12.23.07 - 7:59 pm | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:56 pm

Ghouliani was a lousy mayor...

he may have some "leadership qualities" but he has a napoleonic complex to say the least...

and he has already made it clear that he would say ANYTHING to get elected potus....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:59 pm | #

McCain sold his his principles, if not his soul...

for a few sheckles...

and to me, that makes him dangerous....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:56 pm
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Name one politician running for president who hasn't.
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 8:01 pm | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:59 pm |

For me, it was when he embraced Bush in the last election as a bid to gain support for this election and then followed it up with a visit to that southern University who name escapes me at the moment.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 8:01 pm | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:48 pm |

I agree with everything but Rudy, he seems like he's the most likely to jump on the current NeoCon band wagon. I'd like to think the others would put up some resistence at least.

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Crash Chloride | 12.23.07 - 8:02 pm | #

and he has already made it clear that he would say ANYTHING to get elected potus....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 7:59 pm | #
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sometimes you have to do whats ness, to get it done

it might be ok saying - well i lost but at least i didnt say what was needed to win -

although you wont find me changing my principles to suit the people - im not a politician - i just think its better to hae someone good win even if they have to say whatever they need to to win and have that person become a great president

remember lincoln campaigned on a white supremecy platform - and became the greatest president in american history despite or because of it i dont know

either way the man campaigned on a racist platform and then freed the slaves

so history tells us that isnt the issue you shouldnt vote for someone on

maybe leadership means more than we think

just my thoughts tho - i completly respect your opinions on this
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:03 pm | #

For me, it was when he embraced Bush in the last election as a bid to gain support for this election and then followed it up with a visit to that southern University who name escapes me at the moment.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 8:01 pm | #
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liberty university

roast in hell falwell
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:03 pm | #

stcroix | 12.23.07 - 8:01 pm |

ah, there's the crux, stcroix (pardon the pseudo-pun).

I believe we (humans) have a tendency to dislike those who we believed had principles and then gave them up more than those who never had them in the first place (at least to our perspective).
Y'know, shame me once ...
radmod | 12.23.07 - 8:04 pm | #

stcroix | 12.23.07 - 8:01 pm

Sad but true...

however, some politicians retain some important core values in comparison with others...

but, it is certainly a case of the lesser of two evils....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:04 pm | #

I agree with everything but Rudy, he seems like he's the most likely to jump on the current NeoCon band wagon. I'd like to think the others would put up some resistence at least.

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Crash Chloride | 12.23.07 - 8:02 pm | #

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see this is good debate -now the trolls have gone to bed we can have meaningful discussions that draw us together because of our differences not set us apart

i dont know why they cant see this

they would do so much for their cause if they could learn to embrace rather than disgrace
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:05 pm | #

Insulting. Off topic.

Russ Mason UK | 12.23.07 - 8:05 pm | #

hey would do so much for their cause if they could learn to embrace rather than disgrace
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:05 pm | #

Because embracing is weakness. DEFEATING is what neocons want.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 8:06 pm | #

And that includes defeating US too.....anyone NOT a neocon needs to be "cleansed"
hoode | 12.23.07 - 8:08 pm | #

Kinda reminds you of the Caliphate eh?
hoode | 12.23.07 - 8:09 pm | #

Fuck the USA. Oh and have a very happy christmas and a prosperous new year.
Russ Mason UK | 12.23.07 - 8:05 pm | #

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now now - england hasnt exactly proven itself a mighty force in the world either (although has been better in recent years)
i personally suffered at the hands of their (not meaning your, maybe more miss thatcher and her ilks) follies

america has many great traits - like i said long ago about the michael vick thing - america should be proud of the outrage over that incident - something that wouldnt happen in most of the rest of the world

the point is to not close down america - but open it up bring it back into the fold to celebrate its good things and work on its faults - thats how england got better - no one isolated england after their abuses in ireland - and england benefitted tremendouslyt for that reason - she really came into herself - and i think its because people learned to celebrate the good things about the uk and work on the issues

you like your center right people here too dont you?
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:09 pm | #

Russ Mason UK | 12.23.07 - 8:05 pm | #

Russ is a great poster unless he's been drinking. then we get this.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:10 pm | #

According to the most recent NBC poll (tonights), Rudy is in 3rd place...Romney is in 1st and McCain is just one percentage point behind Romney. Just my gut instinct, but I really don't think most Americans outside of Manhattan like Guiliani very much.
Fox state run television | 12.23.07 - 8:10 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 8:11 pm | #

but, it is certainly a case of the lesser of two evils....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:04 pm
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If there is ever a statement that deserves the comment "sad but true", it is:
"it is certainly a case of the lesser of two evils...."

How can the American people give up so easily?
"A government for the people, by the people OVER the people."

That's ok?
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 8:11 pm | #

good ol russuk

season's greetings to ya'

uh, when you sober up, do what i do

study some history once in awhile

maybe you'll discover who created iraq and kuwait

and meddled in the M. E. before the usa....

those who live in glass houses....etc

no need for insults russ
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:12 pm | #

Russ, ease off the Bass ale. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The majority of Americans think Bush is the worst President ever, that's why his approval ratings perpetually hover just below 30%. And yes, we are aware of how our country looks through the world's eyes. We know.
Fox state run television | 12.23.07 - 8:13 pm | #

I guess that's why if I had to vote today I would vote for Clinton. At least with her, I know I'm getting what I expect and I figure she has the experience to steer a moderate course. Meanwhile the other guys are too un-moderate for me.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 8:10 pm | #

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well i dont think anyone can stop hillary from winning ive already accepted she will be the next president and we on the right deserve to lose for many years to come

the question is who will be the repug who willl lose to her

i think it will be mccain - but huckabee might have a chance if the right doesnt keep on eating its own
we'll see
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:13 pm | #

i love that movie!!! thats one of the great ones~!~~~~~

lawrence - what a movie
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:15 pm | #

That's ok?
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 8:11 pm |

Certainly not. The problem is that Americans want change but they don't want to sacrifice for the change AND they want it now with a minimum of hassle.
Real change is glacial.
For real change to occur, first the money itself has to be taken out of politics. But since the money is what creates the politics, it ain't gonna happen.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 8:15 pm | #

Certainly not. The problem is that Americans want change but they don't want to sacrifice for the change AND they want it now with a minimum of hassle.
Real change is glacial.
For real change to occur, first the money itself has to be taken out of politics. But since the money is what creates the politics, it ain't gonna happen.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 8:15 pm | #
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thats why its more important to have a president who inspires us to something better

rudy could do that
he did inspire a country in mourning wether or not you like him or wether or not he was corrupt

he inspired us in dark days

thats saying something i think
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:16 pm | #

Russ is a great poster unless he's been drinking. then we get this.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:10 pm
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Russ is bitter and very angry. He has been the Republicans in action and He's seen the Democrats in action. He has also seen Americans in inaction and lethargy while a million plus are killed in our name, their country destroyed and the future of millions of Iraqis turned into a hell you would not wish on your worst enemies.

He's reached a stage I'm about to enter.

If you have a fork, stick it into the USA USA USA. It's done and denial will not change anything.
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:16 pm | #

If you have a fork, stick it into the USA USA USA. It's done and denial will not change anything.
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:16 pm | #

And The UK has been right there by the US' side through out it all.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:19 pm | #

If you have a fork, stick it into the USA USA USA. It's done and denial will not change anything.
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:16 pm | #
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but you close off any chance of change if you do that

you solidify it

i dunno - i know its naive - but i wish for better by not isolating

abby dont you think you could get your point across better if you found a way to commiserate with the other side - it doesnt mean agreeing with them - or even justifying them - but trying to understand with compassion would go a long way to getting what you want
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:19 pm | #

Rudy is more secretive and coniving than Bush&Co. This is even from the New York Post, Murdoch's rag.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/ 1129...est__371178.htm

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john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:25 pm | #

Watch the trailer for Hillary: The Movie

http://www.hillarythemovie.com/t...om/ trailer.html
Vince P | 12.23.07 - 8:25 pm | #

radmod | 12.23.07 - 8:15 pm

Actually, the problem is that the American people don't give a damn.

They don't care enough to make a sacrifice, otherwise they would.

There are some screwed up things happening in this country but overall, things aren't that bad.

Why take a real chance at change if you can live with the status quo?
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 8:26 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 8:25 pm

Nobody wants your ignorant posts. Now go to bed.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:27 pm | #

i love that movie!!! thats one of the great ones~!~~~~~

lawrence - what a movie
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:15 pm
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Wrong!

It IS the greatest ever!
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 8:28 pm | #

This YOUTUBE spoof of FOX NEWS saluting the Twelve Days of Christmas is both hilarious and sad because it highlights what a low brow news organization Fox News really is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y...3lJec7_QbQ& NR=1
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 8:28 pm | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:13 pm |

hmm, difficult to see the future is.

You haven't been around lately so I will point out what you might have missed. In the last 40 years or so, no Dem front-runner has ever won the nomination unless they were the heir-apparent (e.g. Gore, Mondale). I could easily see the following:
Obama's support is softer than most might expect, especially since alot of it comes from youths who may not vote (as always happens in Prez campaigns). Hillary is viewed as hated by most of America and that may turn the heads of the Dems but her support in Iowa is, for the most part, stronger.
However, just like in 2004 I could easily see that the extra 10% or so undecided could go mostly for Edwards allowing him the victory (remember undecideds tend to go against incumbents/front-runners).

If that occurs, Obama is done for - just like Dean. Disillusioned supporters would rather go to Edwards than Clinton and next thing you know it could steamroll to Edwards (though not like it did to Kerry last time). Even then, Clinton would be tough to beat.

On the Rep side, I predicted Huckabee's rise months ago when I saw that Thompson was going nowhere. If you look at the polling graphs you'll see that Huckabee's rise almost exactly coincides with Thompson's fall. However, the establishment doesn't want Huckabee and I don't think he can win a national. That leaves Guiliani who many don't like, Romney who many don't trust because he's a Mormon, and McCain. While I don't think the party really cares about Iowa that might a really good showing by McCain may give him NH and then it'll be McCain as the pick vs. the guys with the money.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 8:28 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 8:30 pm | #

radmod | 12.23.07 - 8:28 pm
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Your post seems to point out that politics determines the outcome of elections.
Is that what you are trying to point out?
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 8:31 pm | #

stcroix | 12.23.07 - 8:28 pm

Orance! Orance! Definitely on the short list....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:31 pm | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:19 pm
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There's no point I want to put across, just saying I know how Russ from the UK feels.

I've waited through too many war funding bills, hoping that the next one is where the democrats will put their foot down, to have any kind of hope for the future. They were both always the same party and now they've even stopped pretending to be opposition parties. That only happens towards the end.

The US is not going anywhere but it's never going back to the country it used to be. God, I loved that country.

I'll watch from the sidelines and see what happens. If I was an outsider, I'd get me a couch and order some popcorn but I'm not in that kind of a mood.
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:32 pm | #

Ana, how did Rudy "inspire a country in mourning"? The way I see it, he was just there, POSING with the NYC firefighters, with his artificial little flag badge stuck to his lapelle for all the cameras to see. He was posing for the cameras in the days after 9.11, just like Bush was merely posing for the cameras. Acting, if you will. What inspiration? I'm sorry, but I don't get it.
Fox state run television | 12.23.07 - 8:32 pm | #

Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:31 pm
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Okay!
I'll say this once!
Orance belongs at the top of the list!

I realize you have the right to your opinion, but why would you want to be wrong? :)
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 8:33 pm | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:16 pm |

It's sad but I think you may be right. Of all the Reps he is the most likely to cause some kind of change. The problem I have is two-fold. I never liked Bush but I never thought he would turn out so horrible nor that the party would go so far right (despite the book I abandoned in the 90's that predicted exactly that). As such, I have a HUGE problem voting Republican.
Second, I cannot condone his personal adventures. Not necessarily what he has done (really a private matter), but how he has done it (e.g. the whole divorce thing). I just think the guy is a sleaze-ball b/c of that.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 8:33 pm | #

If you ONLY WATCH one video on my post, I suggest you watch this one. It will tear your heart out and explains why I won't let FOX NEWS get away with sugarcoating the IRAQ war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K...h? v=KniGn1824bs

BILL CORCORAN, author of this post and bringing my readers a video that will leave them in tears.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 8:37 pm | #

Rudy is having all his records from being mayor archived by a private company. The first time it's been done.

I guess there's some editing and cutting needed to be done.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:38 pm | #

stcroix | 12.23.07 - 8:33 pm
That movie is partly responsible for my becomming an archaeologist--just like Orance...

In the years before WWI, T.E. Lawrence was the asst. director of the excavations at UR, under Sir Leonard Wooley....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:39 pm | #

Hayduke,

Just becareful on motorcycles!
War is hell, but bikes kill.
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 8:40 pm | #

Yeah...

I did, mostly for that reason as well...

never developed a taste for boys nor caning either....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:43 pm | #

*becoming
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:46 pm | #

Hayduke,

No need to state the obvious.
We all know from previous posts that you aren't a right winger.
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 8:50 pm | #

MLP: I was in the same boat. No power until early this morning. Thanks for catching up.

Bill Corcoran

Merry Almost-Christmas, all!

Another fine effort by Bill. I'm a late poster as we were without power all day, but I dutifully read all the posts. Once again, it's evident that Bill knows how to motivate the trollies.
Once truth that doesn't seem to dent the skulls of the trolls is that those who advocate for war and killing owe it to themselves to be true to their beliefs and, by example, lead the rest of the country in combat. Or at least convince a child or two to join the noble effort.
But it never seems to work that way, does it? Instead some of our most fervent activists spend their time here threatening litigation.
Ah, well.
MLP | 12.23.07 - 6:50 pm | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 8:53 pm | #

Just dropping in to say hi and thanks to Bill Corcoran for another job well done.

Pegleg Peggy | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:58 pm | #

"those who advocate for war and killing owe it to themselves to be true to their beliefs and, by example, lead the rest of the country in combat"
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I think I understand your thought process here, but when was the last time that happened?
Who was the last leader of a country to lead his country in combat?
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 9:05 pm | #

MICHELLE, MICHELLE, MICHELLE: Sorry I missed you. I caught your earlier post and yes I have been staying away from the troll cave. I hate stepping in troll droppings. And I agree with you there should be more stories on the mistreatment of the vets, but there seems to be a lid on them ever since the Walter Reed scandal. Anyway, thanks for dropping in. Come back soon.

BILL CORCORAN, just catching up after a busy, busy day.

OK Bill, I will grant that the soldiers at Walter Reed need something to take their minds off their injuries, but I am still upset over Vets not getting the benefits that they have earned and are clearly entitled to.

I have found that many smaller,local newpapers report on Vets issues better than the MSM. Like this one I found yesterday:

But more than 18 months after he was first wounded in Iraq, Pennington said he is still waiting for the benefits he needs to get an education and move on with his life.

"I would rather be depending on myself," said Pennington, who said he was discouraged by Veterans Affairs personnel from applying to Colby College in Waterville, where he hoped to study political science, because it was too expensive.

He said he also qualifies for about $8,000 worth of adaptive furniture to help him get around his home -- but he has only received a handle with suction cups to help him balance in the shower.

http://morningsentinel.mainetoda...al/ 4587125.html

Those are the stories that break my heart.

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Michelle | 12.23.07 - 4:47 pm | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 9:05 pm | #

Who was the last leader of a country to lead his country in combat?
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 9:05 pm | #

"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity."_Dwight D. Eisenhower

Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. _Dwight D. Eisenhower
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:12 pm | #

Those are the stories that break my heart
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These stories should piss off Americans to the point of doing something about it.

But, then again, it would probably cost money, right?

Sorry. I'll mind my own business now.

I mean, this is the greatest country in the world, right?

So I guess the Vets are getting what they deserve.

After all, if they weren't stupid or careless enough to get wounded, they would still have a job with the military and how much medical care would they REALLY need?
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 9:14 pm | #

God Bless Ya, BILL

continue to

Honor the warriors, not the war
woke | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:15 pm | #

woke,

He was a leader who led his country into combat, but he didn't do it while he led the country.
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 9:16 pm | #

The key to understanding the troll mind

When you attempt to give an answer to one of their questions and they blow your answer off, the rest is a piece of cake. You know they are NOT serious about the topic at hand. They are NOT serious about a hearing and an evaluation of the facts on the ground.
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:17 pm | #

From Russ Mason UK.

Abby: Great comment, you summarised my feelings but took out the bad language. Excellent stuff.

Count Istvan. You're right - drink sometimes allows problems to pile up and you attack your friends. I believe the newshounds are my friends, I can do no more than than contribute to The Kennel Club from 5,000 miles away.

Woke: your postings are always spot on, I enjoy reading them and always learn something from the links you post.

To everyone else, you know what I'm saying...if you don't then please refer to Abby's remarks earlier.

IT'S BEEN SEVEN LONG YEARS SINCE YOU (THE USA) HAVE BEEN AN ALLY.

When you get a Democrat back in the white house I think you'll find there's only one comment left:

WELCOME BACK TO THE FAMILY OF CIVILISED NATIONS.

Cheers to The Newshounds and thanks for your continued great work.
Russ Mason UK | 12.23.07 - 9:20 pm | #

stcroix | 12.23.07 - 9:16 pm

I think you know what MLP meant in that comment. So why drag it out?
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:24 pm | #

Who was the last leader of a country to lead his country in combat?
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 9:05 pm |

Except for small-time-warlords, I hate to say this but technically I think it might be Saddam Hussein who took personal command of Iraqi forces in Desert Storm.

American-wise I don't think there ever has been a Prez to do so. Jackson and TR certainly would've I have no doubt. The closest would be Lincoln who actually did go to battlefields during war-time (as did Ike) and perhaps Madison who barely escaped the burning of the WH - those would probably be closest.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:29 pm | #

Russ,

Fuck it!
If friends can't tolerate the occasional break from character, they need to look at themselves.
However, I think your friends here already know that.

Just remember though, when you make comments here like you did, you are making them to people (for the most part) who care.
They still belong to the family of civilised nations. It's only their country who doesn't.

Cheers to you as well because you obviously care.

And, Happy Christmas.

(If that's the type of thing you choose to believe.)
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 9:30 pm | #

john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:24 pm

Thank you sir.
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 9:31 pm | #

Sockpuppet

Old Soldier | 12.23.07 - 9:32 pm | #

Old Soldier | 12.23.07 - 9:32 pm

I always new we could do good in this world if we set our minds to it!
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 9:33 pm | #

The US is not going anywhere but it's never going back to the country it used to be. God, I loved that country.

I'll watch from the sidelines and see what happens. If I was an outsider, I'd get me a couch and order some popcorn but I'm not in that kind of a mood.
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:32 pm | #
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Unfortunately Abby, I live here and feel kinda the same way. But the money has a stranglehold on the entire process. Untill we can circumvent that we are in terrible trouble.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 9:34 pm | #

radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:29 pm
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OMG! Saddam didn't actually lead the troops on the battlefield did he?

He doesn't impress me as being the bravest person on the planet.
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 9:35 pm | #

Old Soldier | 12.23.07 - 9:32 pm

But yet you just had to post that intellectual comment.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:36 pm | #

Old Soldier | 12.23.07 - 9:32 pm

does owning all 5 seasons of Gomer Pyle USMC really make one and old soldier?
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:41 pm | #

I actually wouldn't mind if Fox just learned what "reporting" means period.
Gary | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:42 pm | #

stcroix | 12.23.07 - 9:35 pm

Hell, Tommy Franks commanded the start of the Iraq war from the Central Command post in Tampa Florida.

He wasn't about to be in a war zone.

At least Schwartscrof (sp?) was in Saudi Arabia for Desert Storm.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:44 pm | #

Dave's Sockpuppet (the same Dave who has already been reported to his OTHER ISP as a terrorist. - MT

Alvin Chipmunk | 12.23.07 - 9:45 pm | #

Alvin Chipmunk | 12.23.07 - 9:45 pm | #

When you're alone with O'Reilly, do you spit or swallow?
CafeenMan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:47 pm | #

Off topic. Sorry, COunt.

Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:48 pm | #

Alvin Chipmunk | 12.23.07 - 9:45 pm

You probably didn't even read the post and probably don't even know what it's about.

You were in too big of a hurry to get your ignorant comment in.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:49 pm | #

You were in too big of a hurry to get your ignorant comment in.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:49 pm | #

The speed of ignorance is much higher than the speed of truth since finding truth takes time and Alvin can be ignorant immediately with no effort.
CafeenMan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:51 pm | #

Ever notice how liberals have this collective need to validate each other's beliefs ? Half the posts on this thread are just some liberal slobbering all over himself praising this nutcase Bill Corcoran for a "great post as always" or "a job well done." Talk about brown-nosing.You people win the grand prize.
Alvin Chipmunk | 12.23.07 - 9:45 pm | #

What is your point? Most blogs will have comments either praising or slamming the post. You are mister irrelevant.
Anonymous | 12.23.07 - 9:53 pm | #

Alvin can be ignorant immediately with no effort.
CafeenMan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:51 pm | #

Most trolls can.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:53 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 9:55 pm | #

Great post Bill as always.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:55 pm | #

john t,

Tommy Franks and Norman Schwarzkopf (google is your friend) were great presidents.
They did such great jobs leading this country.
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 9:57 pm | #

Old Soldier | 12.23.07 - 9:57 pm | #

Alvin Chipmunk | 12.23.07 - 9:45 pm

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 9:55 pm

Despite Alvin's initial observation...

it is rather cute how the troll-thingies bond...

fawning over each other till they can make a date for the restroom
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:58 pm | #

stcroix | 12.23.07 - 9:57 pm

That wasn't what I was refering too.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:59 pm | #

Old Senile Bastard| 12.23.07 - 9:57 pm | #

Make a point or STFU
Anonymous | 12.23.07 - 9:59 pm | #

fawning over each other till they can make a date for the restroom
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:58 pm |

I bet Vince does go to the theater to see the Chipmunks because that crowd is about the age he likes 'em
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:59 pm | #

Old Soldier | 12.23.07 - 9:57 pm

...meanwhile you are obviously microcephalic....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:00 pm | #

THANKS WOKE AND COUNT ISTAVAN for your kind comments about my post this weekend.

You guys make it come alive. I mean it.

BILL CORCORAN
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 10:02 pm | #

Also I agree with your comment re los vikingos....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:02 pm | #

Every time they get me excited to be a fan... they are kinda like the Democrats :)
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:06 pm | #

Snif.

I guess my positive comments made hours ago (too lazy to scroll up)were...

...just chopped liver.

;o)

I repeat, great post as usual sir
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:08 pm | #

MARIE THERESE, who edits my guest post, just added another YouTube video at the end of the thread. It is a gripping and heart-breaking video about Iraq at Christmas time.

Be sure to check it out here:

http://tinyurl.com/2tbsj4

BILL CORCORAN, keeping my readers up to speed.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 10:08 pm | #

That wasn't what I was refering too.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:59 pm
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I guess that would be my mistake then.
I appologize.
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 10:09 pm | #

Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:06 pm

I was in the 7th grade when the Chiefs played the Vikings in the Superbowl...

my teacher asked if there were any KC fans in the class...

I raised my hand and he said "may a big dog bite your leg off on your way home today"

I'm still a KC fan, so it could always be worse Count
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:14 pm | #

Uber-Troll telling the truth for once. - MT

MARIE THERESE, who edits my guest post, jut added another YouTube video at the end of the thread. It is a gripping and heart-breaking video about Iraq at Christmas time.

Be sure to check it out here:

http://tinyurl.com/2tbsj4

BILL CORCORAN, keeping my readers up to speed.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 10:08 pm

I don't mean to be shitty, and I usually agree with alot of the blog here, but WTF was the point of that link? To remind us that the world is fucked up and humans suck balls? I already knew that. Man, I'm trying to think of the good times right now not all the misery that is out there. I get plenty of that the rest of the year.

Edited By Siteowner
Uber-Troll | 12.23.07 - 10:14 pm | #

I'm still a KC fan, so it could always be worse Count
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:14 pm | #

So is the Contessa. And besides The Chiefs won that game 23-7 :)
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:17 pm | #

*8th
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:18 pm | #

Count Istvan,

Hence the anger in the teacher's epithet, he he....

Sadly, being a native Arizonan, I am compelled to invest some emotion in the Cardinals
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:21 pm | #

Sadly, being a native Arizonan, I am compelled to invest some emotion in the Cardinals
Hayduke--hasta la victoria

NO you don't. They didn't start out in Arizona so you don't have to feel compelled to love them.
Go Sierra Vista!
Anonymous | 12.23.07 - 10:24 pm | #

* no 7th
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:26 pm | #

I DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE ARIZONA CARDINALS AS A SOVEREIGN FOOTBALL TEAM!
General Escape Goat | 12.23.07 - 10:26 pm | #

Buena Colts?
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:27 pm | #

Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:14 pm

This is way OT but I'll post it anyway.

A 5th grade teacher in Pittsburg Pa was ranting about the Steelers playing the Cleveland Browns and how the Steelers were so great. He asked if anybody was a Browns fan. One little boy raised his hand.

The teacher asked him why he was a Browns fan. The little boy said his father was a Browns fan and his mother was a Browns fan. So he was too.

The teacher said, well what if your father was an idiot and your mother was a moron, what would that make you?

The little boy replied, a Steelers fan.

I thought I'd throw in some humor for the holidays.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:28 pm | #

we better get back on subject...er...Vince.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:29 pm | #

I remember when they left St. Louis...

a friend said they would never be good as long as they were owned by the Bidwells...

how true it would seem
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:29 pm | #

While it's nice to see people engage in banter over NFL teams, I remind you this post is about Iraq and how FOX NEWS is failing in their coverge of the Iraq war.

Do you really think FOX News will mention any one of these stories that happened TODAY in Iraq?

12/23/07 Reuters: Roadside bomb kills 2 civilians, wounds 2 others
A roadside bomb killed two civilians and wounded two others in southern Baghdad's Zaafaraniya district, police said.

12/23/07 Reuters: Car bomb kills 1 civilian, wounds 5 policemen
One civilian was killed and five policemen were wounded when a parked car bomb targeted a passing police patrol just south of Mosul, police said.

12/23/07 Reuters: Gunmen kill Iraqi army lieutenant-colonel in Mosul
Gunmen killed Nyyef al-Shimmari, an Iraqi army lieutenant-colonel, in a drive by-shooting in western Mosul, 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.

12/23/07 Reuters: 1 body found in Mahmudiya, 2 in Baghdad
One body was found with gunshot wounds in the town of Mahmudiya, 30 km (20 miles) south of Baghdad, police said...Two bodies were found in two separate areas in Baghdad on Saturday, police said.

12/23/07 Reuters: Roadside bomb kills 1 civilian, wounds 2 others in Latifiya
A roadside bomb killed one civilian and wounded two others in the small town of Latifiya, 40 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.

BILL CORCORAN, just trying to take us back to the point of this post.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 10:32 pm | #

BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 10:32 pm

Sounds like Philadelphia.
Old Soldier | 12.23.07 - 10:34 pm | #

Sorry there, Bill...
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:34 pm | #

With apologies to John t i'd like to amend that

The teacher said, well what if your father was an idiot and your mother was a moron, what would that make you?

The little boy replied, a Conservative.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:35 pm | #

MORE VIOLENCE IN IRAQ THAT FOX NEWS WILL SKIP.....

2 killed in violence in northern Iraq

www.chinaview.cn 2007-12-23 21:55:49 Print

Special report: Tension escalates in Iraq

Mosul, Iraq, Dec. 23 (Xinhua) -- A car bomb and gunfire killed two people in Iraq's northern province of Nineveh on Sunday, local police sources said.

A car bomb parked on the main road near the Hamam al-Alil town,40 km south of the provincial capital of Mosul City, detonated near a police patrol, killing a civilian and wounding five policemen, Brigadier Abdul Kareem al-Jubouri, head of the provincial police operations office, told Xinhua.

The attack damaged a police vehicle and several nearby shops and civilian cars, Jubouri said.

In separate incident, gunmen shot dead Iraqi Army Lieutenant Colonel Nayif al-Shimmari while he was driving his car in western Mosul City, a local police source said.

Meanwhile, gunmen also blew up the house of Abdul Mawjood Jar-Allah, head of the Qairawan town hall, 30 km east of Mosul, destroying his house without causing human casualty, Dekheel Qassim, mayor of the nearby Sinjar City, told Xinhua by telephone.

Mosul, some 400 km north of Baghdad, has been the hot bed of insurgency and sectarian violence since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 10:36 pm | #

Sounds like Philadelphia.
Old Soldier | 12.23.07 - 10:34 pm
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Well I see our troll Kevin has yet another name. He likes to bring up Philly all the time.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:36 pm | #

FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:35 pm

The joke can be interchangable.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:38 pm | #

Well I see our troll Kevin has yet another name. He likes to bring up Philly all the time.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:36 pm | #

I was just about to ask about that.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:40 pm | #

BILL,
I understand wanting to keep threads on topic, but when they exceed 660 posts, don't you think you can ease up a bit and let the good people who keep you going stray a bit?
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 10:40 pm | #

sorry guys was away making dinner but back now

bill i did want to say - what your doing - pointing out the stories that not just fox - but msnbc and cnn are missing in iraq is great - we are wont to be ignorant about the war - it makes us feel better about it - a comfortability we should never have

when do you think newshounds will bring in a conservative but fair blogger to write about fox news - i think it could go a long way to bring in criticism of the channell from the other side and help newshounds appeal to a greater audience too

there are some good conservative bloggers who are fair and not wingnuts

to abbey - i understand - i just hope we can come together and end this split thats tearing us apart

to russ - you dont have to explain yourself to me sweety = been through enough of these to know your sentiment - and equally understand - i have moments where im just fed up with the system too - people like vince who make many of us on the right feel ashamed of what we stand for are the cause usually

tomato soup rocks!~!!
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:40 pm | #

You know, some billions here some billions there (for the troops, for the troops) and pretty soon you're talking about some serious petty cash.

But, as long as it doesn't reach the level of some serious money, there's nothing that cannot be solved by more tax cuts, eh?

Four More Years! Four More Years!! Four More Years!!!

Why? Remember 2004? Only those who drove us into the ditch are qualified enough to drive us out of the ditch just as only those who ignored 52 warnings of impending attacks of 9/11 can be trusted with out National Security.

Things are improving now. Mistakes were made (by someone else) but the current plan is working. Now we're making progress. We're turning the corner. Al Qaeda is on the run. Iran saw what we did to Iraq and gave up it's nuclear weapons programs.

Tune to CNN right now and watch the story of Yusuf somebody. It's a good story. It will help you forget those millions of Iraqi children dying of disease and hunger and those millions more that are orphaned and displaced. It will also help you forget that maybe a couple of them may have been killed by us, accidentally of course.

It's all good.
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:41 pm | #

The teacher said, well what if your father was an idiot and your mother was a moron, what would that make you?

The little boy replied, a Conservative.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:35 pm | #

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lol thanx so much

does that make me the red headed step child?
lol
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:41 pm | #

That's why there's Clairol!

;o)
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:43 pm | #
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hey now - my hair has got me out of quite a pretty spot before

its excellant for getting out of speeding tickets for example

and i do the hair flip that would make ann coulter envious lol

took me a long while to be comfortable with my hair - but now that im a grown up i really am proud of my mane

even if my friends call me fox girl

:D
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:46 pm | #

Taking notes: How to get out of speeding tickets, grow hair and dye red.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:47 pm | #

GI'S SPEND CHRISTMAS IN IRAQ IN THE GREEN ZONE...A MUSICAL TRIBUTE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n...h? v=nAeUPuDEjVk
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 10:47 pm | #

FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:47 pm

You'll probably want some boobs...

and a low cut blouse too!
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:49 pm | #

Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:49 pm | #

Amending notes, take wife along as well.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:51 pm | #

FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:51 pm

Cheaper fix than what ocurred to me....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:54 pm | #

*occurred
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:55 pm | #

ana,

Be careful.
A very good friend of mine got pulled over by the RCMP for speeding. She also had two pounds of grass in her car.
But, she also is very well endowed. So she pulled down the tube top she was wearing only to find the officer was a female.
It turned out okay because the officer joked about being too obvious while she wrote up the ticket for speeding.
She didn't think to search the car.

My point is:
I've always wanted to tell that story.
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 11:01 pm | #

lol st croix

mmm female police officers - now thats something that really is hot

lol

That could be an insult.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:52 pm | #

john if you saw my hair you would know why they say that
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:03 pm | #

lol st croix

mmm female police officers - now thats something that really is hot

lol
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Yeah, well I still have to go to bed with my wife later and our handcuffs are rusted shut.
So tone it down a bit please!
stcroix | 12.23.07 - 11:10 pm | #

I am probably going to start a war here, but this needs to be said. Wonder what the Iraqis think of Christians now... People in this country are so isolated and out of touch and the dumber they are, the less vision they have to understand how and why the world rightfully hates us. With the military pushing Christianity, if I was undecided about religion, Christianity would not be a choice because it is and always has been violent. The reason some people in this country (esp the bible bangers) can overlook it is because they are so used to the violence, rapes, murders, etc condoned in the bible and blamed on God. The amazing part is that the Xtians (I say x because these people are nothing like Christ) can't see it.

I do not have sympathy for anyone in the military who joined after the war. I do feel for those who are in the Guard who had no idea their president would lead them to an unnecessary war of lies. But for the rest of them who could have and should have gotten themselves informed before joining, shame to death on you.

Fair Shar
Sharin Bowers | 12.23.07 - 11:41 pm | #

maybe your (im sure lovely) wife will be pleased we got you all fired up!!
:D
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:43 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 11:56 pm | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 11:56 pm

Why don't you take your Muslim hating racist redneck ass someplace else?
john t | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:01 am | #

stcroix | 12.23.07 - 9:35 pm |

Well, IIRC, Hussein's involvement is standard Hussein; that is he had personal control over the War, failed miserably, and when all was lost, hightailed it, praying to Allah the Allies wouldn't catch and kill him.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:03 am | #

Sharin,

Where to start?

The world does not hate you.
The world is upset with what you (as a country) have done, but they do not hate you.
The reason they don't hate you, is because they know you are out of touch and you don't understand what your country is really doing.
Also, the military is not pushing Christianity.
They don't know enough to do so. Even if they did push it, the Iraqi's con't really care what religion a person believes right now. Would you care what religion your neighbour was if you you didn't know where your next meal was going to come from?

You say you don't have any sympathy for the people who have voluntered to serve your country.
I really do not understand this.

If there was a full scale attack on the USA, would you still feel this way?
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 12:03 am | #

Well if that's the case.. then I really dont care for your opinion because you have something wrong with your morals.
Vince P | 12.23.07 - 11:56 pm
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Well then just fucking go away...

Am I wrong to suggest that?
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 12:05 am | #

I was hoping Vince had gone away for the Christmas break. I just put up the happy holidays post on my blog and I don't want to post again until Wednesday.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:07 am | #

radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:03 am
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Okay, Gotcha.
But what I was asking was if there ever was a leader of a country who actually went out on the battlefield and led his army.
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 12:08 am | #

Vince P | 12.24.07 - 12:09 am | #

Sharin Bowers | 12.23.07 - 11:41 pm |

The sad thing is there are people out there who have nothing else but to join the military.

My dad was career military. While he won't ever admit he told me this story, this is typical of my dad:
His family grew up literally dirt poor in the mountains of VA. They needed a new bull but couldn't afford it. He reasoned that if the Army would pay for his housing, food, etc. and still pay him, then he could save all his money to buy a bull so he joined. Even if he was shipped off to Korea (he was) and killed, then the death benefits would still by a bull.
It had really nothing to do with patriotism even though he believed in defending his country, it was a cold, hard calculation of how to support the family (he was the oldest).
radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:09 am | #

You feel ashamed becauase I speak up against the abuse of women and gays and minorities and all the other victims of Sharia law?
Vince P | 12.23.07 - 11:56 pm
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How about taking care of your own problems before pointing fingers at others?

Wide stances, pedophile Christian priests, Republican homophobic closeted gays and child molesters....(need more?) ring any bells or would you like some links?

Moron.

Eh?
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:10 am | #

stcroix | 12.24.07 - 12:08 am |

That's what I meant. From what I've read, he was actually out there screaming about the "mother of all battles." Right up until the Allies attacked when he high-tailed it.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:11 am | #

Vince P | 12.24.07 - 12:11 am | #

To St. Croix

Apparently you have not followed what is going on with religion in our military.

http://leftword.blogdig.net/ arch...st_Thought.html

This is just one article. There are many, even in major newspapers across the United States.
Sharin Bowers | 12.24.07 - 12:11 am | #

Vince P | 12.24.07 - 12:12 am | #

Isn't there a law against telling people how to beat someone?

I am VERY serious.
What Vince P just posted is very sick.
Is that legal?

MT, is there something that can be done other than banning this sick person?
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 12:14 am | #

Hit a nerve, Whiny baby? I'm SO sorry.

;>))
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:14 am | #

If there was a full scale attack on the USA, would you still feel this way?
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 12:03 am |

Well, personally, I don't think I've ever met a single person who disagrees with the invasion of Afghanistan (just the screwups there). I have no doubt there are some, even here, but I think most Americans still believe that was the right thing to do.
Iraq, OTH, ...
radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:17 am | #

he was actually out there screaming about the "mother of all battles."
radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:11 am

But Bush was pretty much doing that as well, but he didn't really lead the troops into battle.
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 12:17 am | #

Old Vinnie seems to care about women and gays being abused in Muslim countries. But he could give a shit what goes on in this country.
john t | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:18 am | #

To Radmod

Yes, I do understand that some people join the military because they like the money, esp what is being promised to them today. However, the part I have a problem with is that they claim they are Christian and yet join a war to kill -- illegally and immorally in a war that now everyone (even if they won't admit it) knows we were KNOWINGLY lied into.

However, I have seen kids here in my city who don't have a lot of alternatives. With the mess of the economy, bush gets his soldiers. The entire thing is broken.

Terrorism is worse than ever. I resent mothers of soldiers who yell at me and my bumper sticker and say their daughter or son is making me safe. NO THEY AREN'T...WE ARE LESS SAFE THAN BEFORE 9/11. Homeland INsecurity is grossly underfunded, bush was shamed into it in the first place by Max Cleland, and -- we are killing people and destroying their lives -- who had nothing to do with 9/11, terrorism or Bin Laden.

If only our kids had more opportunities rather than joining a war...but why do they lie? Why not just say -- they were duped? Some do, but most of them pretend they are doing something for the rest of us. That is what gets to me.

BTW, my Dad was just like yours. He was dirt poor in Ohio and joined during WWII in order to at least have a job. In fact, he and two brothers all joined. One of my uncles was killed at Normandy. I think because of past wars, people are confused about unnecessary wars of nation building and stealing other countries' assets.

Thanks for you reply because this is an important point you make about the poor not having many alternatives.

Fair Shar
Sharin Bowers | 12.24.07 - 12:18 am | #

stcroix | 12.24.07 - 12:17 am |

But Bush wasn't on the front lines, Hussein was. I'm still trying to find the reference here, but I believe there was one report that one of the maneuvers by the Iraqi army (possibly part of 'Easting')was a suicide mission designed to delay the Allied Armored thrust to allow Hussein and others to escape.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:21 am | #

or you can bore us with 20 lines of insults in a row...

Vince P | 12.24.07 - 12:11 am
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Who's "us" Vinnie, you and your many sockpuppets?
john t | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:24 am | #

http://leftword.blogdig.net/ arch...st_Thought.html

This is just one article. There are many, even in major newspapers across the United States.
Sharin Bowers | 12.24.07 - 12:11 am | #

The author of the article is a discredited Far-Left hack

His resignation came about a week before Dow Jones published the second of two extensive corrections of a March 18 article by Mr. Leopold and another reporter. The corrections there and in The Wall Street Journal, which also published the article, invalidated virtually all of the major points of the article, which accused Enron of compensating several executives excessively.

Maviglio, who now works for the California legislature, says that Leopold "just got it completely wrong" and that he never "confided" in Leopold. He says his lawyer sent the publisher a letter demanding that the material Maviglio deems defamatory be removed.

http://www.ericumansky.com/2006/ ...ant_the_tr.html

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unrelated to that:

The transcript URL for how to beat your muslim wife is here

http://www.memritv.org/clip_tran...ipt/en/ 1594.htm
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 12:24 am | #

someone said:

You say you don't have any sympathy for the people who have voluntered to serve your country.
I really do not understand this.
***
This is my point...they are not defending my country. Read anywhere, read the reports congress gets about terrorism numbers. It is UP, not down, and the Iraq Group (bi partisan) say it is because of our actions in Iraq.

So, my point is, the soldiers are making things worse...I do not want their lives on my hands or blamed for so called "defending me" because the opposite is happening. I know they are just pawns, but what I object to is that some are willingly used.
Sharin Bowers | 12.24.07 - 12:25 am | #

Y'know now that I think about it, all the (modern) 'leaders' that spring to mind as actually being on the battlefield were assholes: the "Generalissimos", Mao, Hitler, Il Duce, etc.
Does this mean there is some relation to being a whacko leader to being crazy enough to appear on the battlefield? Hmm.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:27 am | #

Who's "us" Vinnie, you and your many sockpuppets?
john t | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:24 am
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DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

Jackpot!!!
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:28 am | #

This is my favorite line from the transcript:

"He should beat her in some places where it will not cause any damage. He should not beat her like he would beat an animal or a child"

Does the guy even know what he's saying? These are sick people.
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 12:29 am | #

This is my favorite line from the transcript:
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This idiot is a sadistic pervert.
john t | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:31 am | #

To the person who criticized the link I brought about evangelism in the military. Go google news -- and then you will see many articles in many newspapers across the country. There are now investigations going on about this, btw. These are facts. Here's just one, in a Baltimore newspaper, but the first one I read was in the Boston Globe. You can pretend it is not happening, but that is not what the investigations are saying.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/ 20...07Leopold.shtml
Sharin Bowers | 12.24.07 - 12:31 am | #

Deleted. St croix remember - you're on probation, One more comment like this and I will ban you - liberal or not.. - MT

stcroix | 12.24.07 - 12:31 am | #

Vince P | 12.24.07 - 12:29 am

How ironic...

I was just zbout to say the same thing of you....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:31 am | #

Speaking of sick people....

"Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business."

Need more Whiny? Speaking of sick people.... the intenets is full up to here with Republicans.
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:32 am | #

Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.

Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:33 am | #

Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.

Sounds like Vinny's kinda guy.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:34 am | #

"Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl."

The Bible encourages that kind of thing..
General Escape Goat | 12.24.07 - 12:34 am | #

I take it, Shar, that you are not a 'brat' (raised in a military family).
What many people have problems understanding is the military mind. A lot of it is faith, namely that if they are sent to fight somewhere they have faith that it is the right thing to do, that perhaps the powers that be know something more than all the news reports and intelligence say. They HAVE to believe that or they couldn't do their job.
Quite frankly, I admire that though I have far more faith in reason.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:36 am | #

I don't know about our bandwidth but I doubt it could handle enough of our own sick people...

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

Clean up your aisle before you point to someone else's aisle. Eh?hole.
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:37 am | #

Yes, I do understand that some people join the military because they like the money, esp what is being promised to them today.
Sharin Bowers | 12.24.07 - 12:18 am

Okay, I have a confession to make.
When I said I went through basic training, what I meant was Canadian basic training.
That being said, I would be interested to know how much American recruits can earn in a year.
Again, I was in the Canadian military, so I am sure what I made wasn't quite the same.
But, I didn't have to face combat, so even if I made close to what your guys made, I think it would somehow be comparable.
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 12:41 am | #

I delete VInce's posts as soon as I am able.

.
Marie Therese | 12.24.07 - 12:45 am | #

And, as if that was not sick enough, Rick "man-on-dog" Santorum accused the Democrats of using Republican pedophilia against Republicans "for political purposes".

How sick is that, Whiny baby?
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:46 am | #

I delete VInce's posts as soon as I am able.

.
Marie Therese | 12.24.07 - 12:45 am
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Understood. Over & Out.
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:47 am | #

Let's not forget the Old Testament?
Death by stoning can occur:
For touching Mount Sinai
For taking "accursed things"
For cursing or blaspheming
For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough)
For animals (like an ox that gores a human)
For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night
For worshipping other gods
For preaching the wrong religion
For disobeying parents
For witches and wizards
For giving your children to Molech
For breaking the Sabbath
For cursing the king

Fortunately, and partly because of secularism, Christianity and Judaism have outgrown that, just as Islam will.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:47 am | #

How sick is that, Whiny baby?
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:46 am | #

The Santorum's took home a dead baby for the family to sleep with it.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:51 am | #

How about this for Christianity:
I told a XCon that my wife couldn't have kids and somewhere in the bible it said something like "if a woman not bear a man a son, he should cast her out." His reply was that I should.
I still regret not slugging him.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:52 am | #

MT, I know you don't need, nor probably want, my opinion but I didn't have to much of a problem with stcroix comment. Well, except for the last part.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:54 am | #

It's evidently getting late, my typing's getting slpopy.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:56 am | #

Deleted. St croix remember - you're on probation, One more comment like this and I will ban you - liberal or not.. - MT

stcroix | 12.24.07 - 12:31 am

I am very sorry.
Why Am I on probation?
Also, I did not know I was on probation, so I didn't think to copy the comment you thought was innapropriate.
Will you please you email me to let me know what is going on so i can stay out of trouble in the future?
I can email you if that will be easier.

I really have no idea what I did wrong.
I have no desire to disrupt the threads here.
Please, help me out.
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 12:56 am | #

You censor me for political speech yet you leave the defamation against me standing?

Good.. that just proves malice.
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 12:58 am | #

Count,
I don't suppose you happened to see what my deleted post was did you?
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 12:59 am | #

Count,
I don't suppose you happened to see what my deleted post was did you?
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 12:59 am | #

Nope. But nobody has been on topic tonight and I am pretty much just looking for Vince.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:00 am | #

stcroix | 12.24.07 - 12:59 am

Me neither...

was that the post where you were a little agressively brusque with Sharin?
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:02 am | #

"I don't suppose you happened to see what my deleted post was did you?"

pssst. Right click on window and keep going back until you find the post.
General Escape Goat | 12.24.07 - 1:04 am | #

General Escape Goat | 12.24.07 - 1:04 am |

Provided you haven't closed the window.

was that the post where you were a little agressively brusque with Sharin?
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! |

I presumed that was the one.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 1:07 am | #

I actually started a blog last night called God Hates Vince...but then i erased it. :)
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:08 am | #

Vinnie apparently doesn't know what the legal definition of 'risk' is.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 1:09 am | #

stc: it might have been this

Thread: 13543. Post by stcroix
12/23/2007 5:19 PM
She was identified as Fox's "Religion Correspondent." Last I knew, Green was a news reader. This is a surprise? I didn't think any Newshounds or regulars would be surprised by this. I look at it as a natural progression. First you read the news of the natural world. (as told to you by Saint Rupert) Then you move up to cover the news of the important world of the "here after" Give the woman a
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 1:10 am | #

Vince P | 12.24.07 - 1:10 am |

You mean the one on the other thread?
The one that is still there?
Man, you really don't think do you, eh?
radmod | 12.24.07 - 1:12 am | #

radmod | 12.24.07 - 1:12 am

Besides...

MT posted the time....

Don't think...no reading comprehension...time to get into your jammies Vince Pacella II
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:15 am | #

my bad
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 1:15 am | #

The Vince Pacella that I knew...

had a 67 Mustang with a Donovan alumninum block engine that almost reached 200 mph....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:19 am | #

MT,
Do you have my email?
Can you tell me what I did, or do you only want to let people think you are controling people who you have a hunch are trolls?
There is a regular who knows who I am.
Email me.
If you don't have my email address say so and I will give it to you.
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 1:20 am | #

He's gotta be a relative of yours...

Pacella's from the Philly area....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:20 am | #

stcroix | 12.24.07 - 1:20 am | #

Dude just get over. it happens to all of us. This is what gets you in trouble.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:21 am | #

Some more than others, right, Count? *snark*
radmod | 12.24.07 - 1:23 am | #

stcroix | 12.24.07 - 1:20 am | #

You can contact MT and the other NH ladies here

newshounds@gmail.com
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 1:25 am | #

Some more than others, right, Count? *snark*
radmod | 12.24.07 - 1:23 am | #

Your not kidding. I agree with him from the stand point that all of us have been off topic so I don't why you would single him out, but at the end of the day it's not that big of a deal.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:26 am | #

I'm with you Count, in the end the NH ladies are very forgiving.
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 1:27 am | #

I don't KNOW why it should say.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:27 am | #

Count,
Maybe it's time for people to know what it is that gets you in trouble here.
I don't even know what I said that got me in trouble.
All I want is for some one to tell me what I did wrong and I will stop.
MT said I was on probation.
No one told me I was on probation.
Or why.
You say get over it.
Do you mean don't post here again?
Cause maybe in this post, I broke the probation rules. I don't know.
I might be banned.

But thanks for the good advice.
"Get over it."
Okay.
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 1:27 am | #

Shit let me type that again

You're not kidding. I agree with him from the stand point that all of us have been off topic so I don't know why you would single him out, but at the end of the day it's not that big of a deal.

better
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:28 am | #

It's like Animal Farm.. some are more equal than others.

The womyn who run this place probably use AF and 1984 as training.
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 1:30 am | #

All I want is for some one to tell me what I did wrong and I will stop.
== stcroix

I usually see people get banned for two reasons:
1) Off-topic when there is an attempt to stay on topic - sometimes like now it just flies away and nothing can be done.
2) Extremely aggressive response when the moderator feels it was unnecessary.

I haven't read all your posts but I would imagine MT felt that your "FU" response was not in line with the tone presented by Shar.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 1:31 am | #

stcroix | 12.24.07 - 1:27 am

I imagine the "probation" bit is meant to make one think about what one posts...

and that the content of your post was a little too rudely agressive...

but hey, what do I know...
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:32 am | #

I'm with you Count, in the end the NH ladies are very forgiving.
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 1:27 am

I have always thought that the NH ladies were very forgiving and I would agree that the NH ladies are very forgiving if they told me what I did that was wrong.
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 1:32 am | #

There is more to this story than what happened tonight. I know more than most and I don't know what to believe. Honestly I don't even care at this point.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:33 am | #

Oh, and for troll-feeding/baiting. That was my one sin. (until now)
radmod | 12.24.07 - 1:33 am | #

I've been guilty of that quite often myself...

plus they don't always appreciate my sense of humor....

nevertheless, I surely admire and appreciate the excellent job they do day in and day out....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:35 am | #

stcroix | 12.24.07 - 1:32 am | #

I posted their email address above, contact them, they'll explain it to you.
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 1:36 am | #

I imagine the "probation" bit is meant to make one think about what one posts...

and that the content of your post was a little too rudely agressive...

but hey, what do I know...
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:32 am
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You know what?
I couldn't agree with you more.

I would love to think about what I posted.
Especially the one that got MT pissed at me.
The problem is, it was deleted, and I don't know what it said.
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 1:36 am | #

stcroix | 12.24.07 - 1:36 am | #

you know why MT is watching your posts. So lets not be dishonest. Whether she's right or not is another question. Please move on.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:38 am | #

stcroix | 12.24.07 - 1:36 am

I think radmod nailed it...

I haven't read all your posts but I would imagine MT felt that your "FU" response was not in line with the tone presented by Shar.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 1:31 am

but I would try and put it behind you now....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:39 am | #

The womyn who run this place probably use AF and 1984 as training.
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 1:30 am | #

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i take offense to that statement - womyn being an atonym used by lesbian women to define their social standing - to label news hound women as womyn is offensive and a slur

your quite able at typing women

as for st croix ive never actually seen anyone on probation - but if you are - just apologize and im sure it will go away - no reason to relive it - i cant imagine why your on probation and vince p isnt - considering he cursed me out for no reason and i have been called a slut how many times here by his doppleganging compadres?

as for the military - there are many reasons people join the military - wether after 911 or before it - some join to kill, some enjoy the power it gives them, some join because its a family legacy and tradition, others because of poverty = i believe without knowing each persons reasons its only fair to give them sympathy and support unless you know they joined for the more unseemly reasons

i think everyone on here supports our troops - its easy to go after nameless people - but to know them personally im sure all of you support them
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:40 am | #

stcroix | 12.24.07 - 1:36 am

Then again...

it could be for your obnoxious insistance regarding Orance!
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:43 am | #

ana: unless you're part of the coven that runs this place, then the statement didn't pertain to you.

If you are a right winger like you claim, then you'll know that taking offensive on behalf of other people goes against principle... please try to be less personally involved so that your emotions dont override your reason.
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 1:43 am | #

I am sick of this. I'll probably piss somebody off but I want to put a stop to this.

MT thinks Stcroix is Uber-troll. That's the problem. Stcroix says he is not.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:46 am | #

ana: unless you're part of the coven that runs this place, then the statement didn't pertain to you.

how do you know if i am or if im not?

that aside - apart from helping early when the site started with some research on cavuto for ellen im not - its still offensive to call a group of women that when being used a as a slur - which it was

your really piling them up tonight vince

you should apologize to the ladies - and to the lesbians who you just slurred by using it in the way that you did - especially since the ladies provide u a place to vent your hate

what would you do if newshounds wasnt here to give you a forum for your hate?

so do the right thing and apologize

its easy and people would actually respect you for it
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:47 am | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:47 am | #

I am not sure but I think Vince just said that if you are a conservative like you claim you shouldn't care about anybody but yourself.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:48 am | #

If you are a right winger like you claim, then you'll know that taking offensive on behalf of other people goes against principle... please try to be less personally involved so that your emotions dont override your reason.
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 1:43 am | #
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oh come on - there is no such mantra in the right wing - a real right wing mantra is stand up for those you respect

i happen to hold the ladies who run this site in very high regard - and have known them for years

so if you think by some misguided ideal that my ideology overrules my loyalty to my friends then your wrong

very very wrong

you have no idea about honor i presume
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:49 am | #

I wasn't calling them Lesbian, interloper... I was calling them Radical Leftists.

Besides even if I did call them that (which I didnt) , are you saying it's an insult to be a lesbian?
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 1:50 am | #

Vince P | 12.24.07 - 1:50 am

It surely is when issued from your lips!
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:51 am | #

Hey Vinnie...

I've noticed that you've become quite coy with me with respect to the Pacella family...

gettin' too close for comfort...?
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:52 am | #

Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:38 am

If you mean I know that she has a misunderstanding about who I am because she thinks my isp is in the same state as some one she doesn't like, than I guess you are right and I should stop posting on HER INTERNET.

If you mean because she knows the difference, Well, I guess the answer would be the same.
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 1:54 am | #

Besides even if I did call them that (which I didnt) , are you saying it's an insult to be a lesbian?
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 1:50 am | #

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thats a silly little cavuto-esque game your playing vince and no one buys it - you used it as a slur because it refers to strong independant usually lesbian women - and that has been a slur against strong minded intelligetn women for years on end

you knew exactly what you were doing - so this playing possum after you post a slur and trying to turn it around on other people is disgraceful

at least stand by your statements and apologize when needed

but thats a prime example of cowardice in my humble opinion

and yes im on edge tonight - i do not appreciate being cursed at or being called a slut -

so just watch yourself or i will make sure to make your life here unbearable
and i dont need to use a slur or bad words to do it

im quite capable of doing it calmly and intelligently

unlike yourself who cant get three posts out without saying something horrid about some one or some group

one day you will remember this when your older and be embarrassed about how you have conducted yourself
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:54 am | #

It happens. It's no big deal. You're better off than some for sure because I've been banned - twice - and both times without warnings or probation of any kind, but that's life and life goes on.

The moderators have a tough, thankless, and with our multi-puppet troll "infestation", difficult job and it's impossible for them to read and parse every off-topic comment in it's full context.

It's no big deal really. Trust me.
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:55 am | #

gettin' too close for comfort...?
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:52 am | #

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can we leave his personal info out of it please? i just want to be careful that we dont put people in danger because of their beliefs or their actions

vince p is enough info for me
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:56 am | #

Vinny P, has shown himself to have serious issues with Females.
General Escape Goat | 12.24.07 - 1:58 am | #

can we leave his personal info out of it please? i just want to be careful that we dont put people in danger because of their beliefs or their actions

vince p is enough info for me
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:56 am | #

yeah this Vince strikes me as being genuinely nuts.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:59 am | #

Count Istvan,

Yes I know she is watching my posts.
I have know idea what she is watching them for, and I have no idea what her reasoning is for deleting is.
Are you happy with the fact that anyone who posts on this site can be deleted with no explanation?

But, I guess if you have nothing to hide, or no reason for MT to get pissed off you, you don't have to worry.
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 1:59 am | #

stcroix | 12.24.07 - 1:59 am | #

Are you still posting here? If so move on. It's Christmas eve for goodness sake.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:00 am | #

stcroix, Take it down a notch. Your last few posts aren't helping your cause.
General Escape Goat | 12.24.07 - 2:01 am | #

Vinnie Pee has lost all semblance of respectability with me and many others here...

I figure he isn't the Vinnie Pachella I knew, anyway...

but he's gotta be family
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:02 am | #

Are you happy with the fact that anyone who posts on this site can be deleted with no explanation?

But, I guess if you have nothing to hide, or no reason for MT to get pissed off you, you don't have to worry.
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 1:59 am | #
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lol call it the hand of goddess if you will

lol hayduke - you would feel horrible if some crazy loon read his posts on here and turned up at the pacella household and did something horrid

i doubt he really is a vince in the first place - but if he is - at least he had the decency to use his own name - i dont see a reason to go all sherlock holmes on his b'hind
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:02 am | #

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:02 am | #

Bad news. I agree with you.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:04 am | #

im off to bed fellow doggies and puppettes

abby i love you have a good christmas

hugs and warmy wishes for the holidays to hayduke and el count and st croix

warmy hugs for my fav escaped goat - and

here is some egg nog to warm your heart vince
i hope this christmas will help you strive for a peaceful world and goodwill towards others - i have a hug for you but you;ll have to earn it back
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:06 am | #

Christ...

I'm not the one who googled his name....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:07 am | #

Bad news. I agree with you.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:04 am | #

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oh my gosh it really must be christmas!!!!!

this is a first isnt it?

lol - want a jameson whisky nogg with me before i go to bed?
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:07 am | #

Somebody who will remember this better than I needs to cache Vinnie's statement about "then you'll know that taking offensive on behalf of other people goes against principle."

Thus, when he or any other RWer complains about comments about BORe et al taking offense on behalf of other people we can remind them that it is not in the RW mantra.

I was raised a Southern Conservative and I dare you to verbally abuse anyone in a Southerner's family. Then I'll send some flowers to your grave.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 2:08 am | #

ana,
buenas noches...

felíz noche buena!
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:08 am | #

*hands hayduke a whisky nogg too
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:09 am | #

Merry Christmas Ana.

Even though we fight, I acknoweldge there's a thinking person over there... a rarity in this place
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 2:09 am | #

merci bien mon amie hayduke
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:10 am | #

lol - want a jameson whisky nogg with me before i go to bed?
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:07 am | #

Sure. And happy holidays.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:10 am | #

brb gonna put them in the microwave

since you guys are here in spirit ill hafta drink them myself

not to worry tho - i need a good knock out drink cuz this year im spending christmas by myself
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:12 am | #

radmod: I don â€™t subject myself and my individuality to any group... I donâ€™t participate in groupthink.

I claim no responsibility for what other people and frankly couldn't care less. I speak for me.

Leftists always fail to get it... conservatives dont think in terms of Group Identity like you do.

And Bill OR is not a conservative.. he's a populist. He specificly disclaims being conservative.
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 2:14 am | #

He says this after claiming a RW mantra, LOL!
And he says BORe isn't a Conservative. Why? B/c Billo says he isn't!
It just keeps getting funnier and funnier!
What a moron!
You ever hear of that little thing that goes like "Actions speak louder than words." In case you never figured it out, it means that one shouldn't listen to what people claim but what they do and what they really say.

You ever figure that's why people think you are a racist prick, eh?
radmod | 12.24.07 - 2:21 am | #

Alright, I can't stop laughing after that moronic bit of Vinnie's so I'll bid y'all a good night.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 2:24 am | #

Are you still posting here? If so move on. It's Christmas eve for goodness sake.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:00 am

Yeah, I'm still posting here.
But then, you know I'm an atheist.
Why would christmas eve mean anything to me?
Why are there so many other people posting here.
Are all the rest of the people posting atheists too?
Not that I want them to answer, cause it's kind of a personal decision isn't it?
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 2:24 am | #

stcroix | 12.24.07 - 2:24 am |
Working.
Though you don't have to be a Christian to celebrate the secular part of Christmas (e.g. Santa).

Any case, Happy Holidays to all and to all a good night.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 2:26 am | #

It's still a holiday that most people don't want to spend wondering why their post made anonymously on a message board got erased. Maybe that's how you like to go through life. And you've got it easier than most here. I don't see anybody hijacking your name.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:26 am | #

Bible doesn't mention Christmas so I don't observe it.
General Escape Goat | 12.24.07 - 2:27 am | #

Radmod I am checking out too. between Vince's moronic nonsense and Stcroix still posting about another post made 3 hours ago I'd say this thread has run it's course.

Happy Holidays to all.
Count Istvan | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:28 am | #

g'night, Count. I'll refrain from 'accidentally' mis-using the name that one of those mimic trolls use.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 2:31 am | #

goodnight to all and to all a merry christmas

yummy egg nog

if off to dream of being one of santas elves~!
:D
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:33 am | #

I claim no responsibility for what other people and frankly couldn't care less. I speak for me.

Leftists always fail to get it... conservatives dont think in terms of Group Identity like you do.

Vince P | 12.24.07 - 2:14 am | #

In a couple of sentences he claims to speak only for himself then he goes on to speak for all "leftists" as he calls them. Can this dweeb be any lamer? (don't answer, that that's a rhetorical question)
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 2:50 am | #

I posted their email address above, contact them, they'll explain it to you.
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 1:36 am
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I took your advice.

No response.
stcroix | 12.24.07 - 2:56 am | #

In a couple of sentences he claims to speak only for himself then he goes on to speak for all "leftists" as he calls them. Can this dweeb be any lamer? (don't answer, that that's a rhetorical question)
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 2:50 am | #
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Whats really hilarious.....is that eh does NOT speak for himself. he C&Ps other people thoughts about 95% of the time.. Unless, of course, he is insulting someone or whining.

He is so deep into group think that he thinks he is a lone warrior. pffffffffffffftttttttt
hoode | 12.24.07 - 6:10 am | #

It's like Animal Farm.. some are more equal than others.

The womyn who run this place probably use AF and 1984 as training.
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 1:30 am | #
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and yet you are too frikking stupid to leave.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 6:19 am | #

I would bet my last dollar FOX NEWS never reports this.....

http://news.xinhuanet.com/ englis...ent_7291067.htm

UNICEF: Iraq's violence takes heavy toll on children

www.chinaview.cn 2007-12-22 06:09:17

Special report: Tension escalates in Iraq

GENEVA, Dec. 21 (Xinhua) -- The United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) on Friday painted a bleak picture of the situation of children in Iraq, where an estimated 2 million boys and girls continue suffer from poor nutrition, disease and interrupted education.

Thousands of families have been obliged to leave their homes because of violence or threats, and hundreds of children have lost their lives in the violence, UNICEF said in a press release.

Conditions continue to deteriorate, with many mothers preventing their children from attending school for fear they would be attacked.

"Iraqi children are paying far too high a price," said Roger Wright, UNICEF's special representative for Iraq.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 6:28 am | #

I go along completely with SHARIN BOWERS comment made here:

I am probably going to start a war here, but this needs to be said. Wonder what the Iraqis think of Christians now... People in this country are so isolated and out of touch and the dumber they are, the less vision they have to understand how and why the world rightfully hates us. With the military pushing Christianity, if I was undecided about religion, Christianity would not be a choice because it is and always has been violent. The reason some people in this country (esp the bible bangers) can overlook it is because they are so used to the violence, rapes, murders, etc condoned in the bible and blamed on God. The amazing part is that the Xtians (I say x because these people are nothing like Christ) can't see it.

I do not have sympathy for anyone in the military who joined after the war. I do feel for those who are in the Guard who had no idea their president would lead them to an unnecessary war of lies. But for the rest of them who could have and should have gotten themselves informed before joining, shame to death on you.

Fair Shar
Sharin Bowers | 12.23.07 - 11:41 pm | #

The reason I feel SHARIN is right is because right now our military is totally beat. They can't continue the pace that they are on. Most of them joined to get that $40,000 tax free bonus, but they had no idea they were going to be deployed to Iraq three or four times.

And SHARIN is also right about the Guard. Those poor guys and girls joined to serve their country, but most of all to serve the state they live in not Iraq. If there is a tornado or hurricane again like Katrina, the state where it hits is going to be in deep trouble because most of their Guard are over in Iraq.

So SHARIN may have stirred up a spirited debate on this thread, but it was a debate worth having and for that I thank her.

BILL CORCORAN, author of this post just rising and checking out what has been going on the last eight hours while I was in ZZZZZZZZZZ land.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 6:31 am | #

Here is a brand new Christmas video featuring our troops in IRAQ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k...h? v=kRcUuq9Fc20

God Bless them all,
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 6:36 am | #

Whats really hilarious.....is that eh does NOT speak for himself. he C&Ps other people thoughts about 95% of the time.. Unless, of course, he is insulting someone or whining.

He is so deep into group think that he thinks he is a lone warrior. pffffffffffffftttttttt
hoode | 12.24.07 - 6:10 am | #

You are thick arent you?

The Left is all about the group, individuals define themselves in the framework of the heirarchy of groups they identify with. Once in the group , Group Behavior dynamics operate, you are conditioned to act in accordance and in conformity of the group. You are all on guard constantly to guard the group againt attack by the Others.

Yes, I can make generalizations about the Left because the Left clumps itelf into easily recongnizible and utterly predictle group behaviors.

Your group-think point of view is evident in everything, including what passes as a counter argument or what you think is a refutation.

Usually, the statement being challendged is never confronted on its face, instead there is usally an non sequiter or an ad hominem attack in a lot of cases to the GROUPS you think i belong to, bedcause you think by attacking the group you are attacking me.. except it doesn't work that when you adhere to an ideology that is based on freedom and individualality.

Then there's the narcassism too. Where everything is about you. So if I say something true about Islam , something about which you absolutely nothing, you will still feel the need to chime and engage in your political war against the truth.

And this narcisim is evidenced when you attack other individuals as a proxy for me. Like if I were to say "The muslims bombed a village in Thailand",,, one of yo would say something stupid like "If george bush didn't invade iraq it wouldn't happen. Bush made the problem so much worse what do you thikn about that"

I thikn nothing about that.. it had nothing to do with what I said, and why I would i care what someone thought of Bush.. that's between you two... but because your narcissism if someone attacked your president you would take it personaly and feel like it was an attack on you.. that's why you attack Bush when someone says something you dont like.

There's entire shelves of books that describe tired old Left tactics that you folks are emersed in... dont be deceived and think you are somehow unique

Now... defend the group... go!
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 7:01 am | #

it's hard to type on a laptop when laying down on a sofa, so don't mind the bad typing job.
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 7:05 am | #

Well, just I a suspected another post on the Sunday that bring out the troll element in full force. As you reflect about the holidays, be very thankful you all are not in iraqnam or afghanistan. Merry Christmas to our military personnel who deserve better.
Hopefully, 2008 and beyond can mark a turnaround, where we do things right as a nation and assist the world in peace and prosperity instead of being the biggest obstacle to peace and prosperity.

Say a prayer for the children of iraqnam. They definitely deserve better and are the true victims of the last 5 years.
TR | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 7:21 am | #

Republicans = Evil bastards

Democrats = Spinless wimps
abie_normal | 12.24.07 - 7:56 am | #

This video was made by our troops in IRAQ and FOX NEWS is always telling us how much the troops in Iraq think the world and all of President Bush. Not exactly so when you watch this video. They make fun of Bush.

http://warnewstoday.blogspot.com...as-in- iraq.html
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 8:06 am | #

This video was posted Christmas Eve on Iraq Today as a reminder that Iraq is anything but the sea of tranquility that FOX NEWS continues to sell to their braindead viewers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8...y.blogspot.com/
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 8:11 am | #

This is what should be done in Iran.

Once Iran is taken care of, that would fix Iraq by default.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U...h? v=UmDKrXonK8g
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 8:18 am | #

Vince P | 12.24.07 - 8:18 am | #

Iran is just as much a threat as Iraq was there mr. evil-doer and supporter of war and torture, may your holidays be splashed with the blood of your christ and maybe he might forgive you your sins of warmongering.

DUMBASS!!!
abie_normal | 12.24.07 - 8:21 am | #

Here is what is taking place in IRAQ on CHRISTMAS EVE. Does this sound the like is a tourist haven? Are people flocking to Iraq to vacation?

FOX NEWS continue to LIE,LIE, LIE, LIE to their viewers about conditions in IRAQ and the stupid idiots who watch FOX News sop every drop of the crap FOX NEWS keeps putting out about IRAQ.

Read this and determine if FOX NEWS is treating the American public fairly:

FACTBOX-Security developments in Iraq, Dec 24 24 Dec 2007 13:01:19 GMT
Source: Reuters

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/...k/ L24549653.htm

Dec 24 (Reuters) - Following are security developments in Iraq at 1300 GMT on Monday.

* SAMARRA - U.S. helicopter gunfire killed four gunmen planting a roadside bomb and wounded two civilians on Sunday in the city of Samarra, 100 km (62 miles) north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

BAGHDAD - Two roadside bombs wounded six people in the Saidiya district in southern Baghdad, police said.

BAQUBA - Gunmen kidnapped 14 members from one family when they stopped their minibus north of the city of Baquba, 65 km (40 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.

BAGHDAD - A car bomb killed one person and wounded five others on Sinak Bridge in central Baghdad, police said.

BAGHDAD - Three bodies were found in different districts in Baghdad on Sunday, police said.

KUT - U.S. forces killed two gunmen and detained two others during operations in the Kut area, 170 km (100 miles) southeast of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

BILL CORCORAN, reporting on the latest violence in IRAQ because FOX NEWS will not report it.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 8:28 am | #

Most recent human sacrifices made to the devil, Allah

http:// www.thereligionofpeace.co...ex.html#Attacks

http://thumbsnap.com/v/OcI0ehUZ.jpg

List of Islamic Terror Attacks

Date Country City Killed Injured Description
12/23/2007 Pakistan Kurrum 3 0 Sunni-Shia sectarian violence leaves three dead.
12/23/2007 Pakistan Mingora 9 30 Nine people are murdered by a suicide car bomber.
12/22/2007 Somalia Mogadishu 5 8 Islamic militias kill five Somalis with a rocket and small-arms fire attack.
12/22/2007 Iraq Baghdad 4 6 A Fedayeen suicide bomber ends the lives of four Iraqis.
12/22/2007 Somalia Baidoa 1 0 Two members of an Islamic militia assassinate a local judge.
12/21/2007 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 47-year-old man is shot dead outside a mosque by Muslim radicals.
12/21/2007 Iraq al-Salam 1 2 Jihadis manage to kill one child with a mortar attack on a residential neighborhood.
12/21/2007 Iraq Yusufiya 5 8 A suicidal Sunni takes out five Iraqis in a bombing.
12/21/2007 Pakistan Kanaan 56 100 A Fedayeen, carrying a bomb packed with nails and bomb bearings, detonates in a mosque, killing at least fifty.
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 8:36 am | #

Vince 8:18 am,

Don't you celebrate Christmas?Even if you are not a Christian,it is difficult to ignore "Peace on Earth"as the message of the season.If you cannot set aside violence and hatred,even for a day,perhaps you need to take a long look at your life.
notveryhow | 12.24.07 - 8:37 am | #

For chrissakes. ow moronic can you get. Posting something from Savage. Good lord. Lunatic.... follow lunatic.

I didn't think your lunacy could slip any lower But you constantly outdo yourself.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 8:40 am | #

Vince P | 12.24.07 - 8:36 am | #

You sure can put the christ in xmas, can't you there punky?

KILL KILL DIE DIE, isn't that a lovely song?

I do hope you get everything you deserve this xmas, and don't forget jan 21 2009 is when your dear leader comes up for trial.

George W. Bush = WPE and war criminal, bad combo platter there.
abie_normal | 12.24.07 - 8:45 am | #

hoode: the quality of your name-calling is getting quite dull. Cant you spice it up a little bit?

Here's something of value that you may or may not find interesting.. it's not about muslims.

it's about a year old but i just ran across it today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c...h? v=cKCRHhmHvjg

it's melancholy
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 8:48 am | #

FEAR FEAR
KILL KILL
DESTROY DESTROY

You ned serious help son. why the newshounds ladies let you continue here is beyond me. You woulda been history long ago If I ran the place.

The constant fear and hate you project is simply disgusting.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 8:55 am | #

oh in case you watch it, i realized it's possible it could be intrepted that I meant for the lyrics to directed at you... if you're thinking that.. that's not the case...

The song represents to me the suicide of the West.
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 8:55 am | #

Of course. we are committing suicide because we dont kill everything that is not us.

Like it or not every society evolves and changes. that is the only constant in the lifeline of humanity.
America isnt what it was 100 years ago or 200 years ago. it wont be what it is in another 100 years either. No country is what it was 100 years ago. et over it.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 8:59 am | #

You are seriously depressed and obsessed. Truly, you need to see a DR
hoode | 12.24.07 - 9:00 am | #

Wow. what a reaction.

It's interesting that you take a hostile stance about it.

On another message board where we're talking about, most people find the song beautiful and poignant.

I had hoped maybe i could have gotten your opinion on it, but i see your mind is so determined to fight with people that nothing gets through to you.

I'm not the sick one.. it's you .. after all you feel compelled to chant it over and over nad over again like you have to convince yourself.

You need help... you cant turn off the "he's an enemy and could never be talked to normally" swith huh?.. that's your sad problem to cope with i guess.
Vince P | 12.24.07 - 9:00 am | #

I dont care how other people saw the clip.

Life changes. societies change. Cultures change.
I dont worry myself much with regrets.

yes it was poigant. I was responding to your statement of us committing suicide. Not what in the clip said. The clip shows change happening.
Life happens.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 9:06 am | #

This represents a lot of comments people left for the song.. now compare that with hoode's hysterical breakdown

Beautiful, true pop music!

Wow! I was blown away with the lyrics & video. I think this can apply to any "liberal" country. What are we doing with our society? We're so selfish...

This was the big song on the radio and Musique Plus when i last visited Montreal. i thought it was really cool such a song and video were so big, and featured it on my podcast, but my French isn't great so I didn't know anything more than the basics of what it meant. Now with the translation, it's all the more amazing. Thank you so much!

I love this song, It's so universal. Our ancestors did so much more to keep everyday going and yet seemed to be more whole, I can't help but think it has to do with knowing you've done your part you deserve to sit. I am québecoise, my grand-mère had 19 children!! No throw away diapers either, 15 girls, No stayfree maxipads either! LOL Brave and oppressed, my grandmother was educated and herself an only child.

Beautiful, sad, impressive and deeply touching :-) Masterpiece made only with drums and singing. Great, mates :-)

They should all be inform them all our Leftist hoode finds the song DISTGUSTING.

I guess hanging on a website devoted to COMPLAINING about a news channel is evidence of your well balancedness.

I come here to challenge you people and in the process challenge myself... you folks come in here like it's 1984 and it's Hate Week.

You are the mental cases.
Vince P | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 9:07 am | #

More projection from someone who in is delusions thinks he is teaching us something.

ben used to think that too.....so did Proud American.

The trouble is I DONT WANT TO LEARN YOUR HATEFUL VIEW OF THE WORLD.

I have already read half the shit you post here and relegated it to the trash.

You dont challenge me you revolt me.

Now we are done talking.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 9:12 am | #

I would wish you a Merry Christmas....but you have no idea what the meaning of Christianity is.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 9:15 am | #

http://www.worldworld.com/xmas.html

Merry Christmas to all
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 9:18 am | #

Vince,

Yesterday I light-heartedly suggested that you would have pissed your pants during the cold war,and you rejected my argument without further substantiation.

And yet you accuse others of being "so determined to fight".

Vince,I have worked for 20 years,with NAMI as a volunteer,and in paid postitions,with people who have mental illness.It is not an insult to me to say that someone is exhibiting signs of a biologically based illness.

Reading these threads the past few weeks,I have seen you rage, for over 24 hours straight,about Muslims and Leftists,and how they threaten you.

I'm not going to bring out my DSM.I don't need to.But Vince,your behaivior is not normal,and it can't be making you happy.

As one human being to another,I suggest that you get some sleep,enjoy the holiday.Relax with family and friends.Then after the holidays,consider exploring why your fears have come to dominate so much of your life.
notveryhow | 12.24.07 - 9:24 am | #

Pay no attention to Vinnie Pee, his moronic rantings will soon be deleted (You'd think he'd get the message)
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 9:30 am | #

Snow: Situation In Iraq Was ‘Sour’ For Only ‘15 Months’
In a new interview with Reason magazine, former White House press secretary Tony Snow attempts to whitewash the failures of the Bush administration in Iraq, claiming that the only time the situation was “sour” was for 15 months, between Feb. 2006 and early 2007:

Iraq: the ‘greatest American military comeback’ since 1864?
In yesterday’s New York Times, Brookings Institution analyst Michael O’Hanlon published an op-ed on the war in Iraq, in which he applauded the historic efforts of his college friend, Gen. David Petraeus:

Are we witnessing the greatest American military comeback late in a war since Sherman’s march to the sea in 1864? […]

This is largely thanks to the surge-based strategy of Gen. David Petraeus and the heroic efforts — and sacrifice — of so many American and Iraqi troops and police officers.

O’Hanlon joins Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Joe Lieberman (I-CT), who are rushing to declare victory in the war, against the advice of military commanders. December 23, 2007 12:21 pm |

both from thinkprogress.org

THANKS to BILL C for posting TRUTH to the LIES and MISINFORMATION shown on msm and spewed by the likes of the rw chickenhawk trolleys who are merely political PROSTITUTES

ya know who ya are.....
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 9:33 am | #

not very

he would if he didn't have to WORK for his neocon masters during the holidays

and he probably gets time and a half (what? maybe $10 an hour?) and bonuses....(bully o'lielly autographed looofahs)

he can't pass that up...
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 9:36 am | #

General Petraeus, American Hero to the RW

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp...7080501299.html

O Estimates 30% of Arms Are Unaccounted For
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer_Monday, August 6, 2007; Page A01

The Pentagon has lost track of about 190,000 AK-47 assault rifles and pistols given to Iraqi security forces in 2004 and 2005, according to a new government report, raising fears that some of those weapons have fallen into the hands of insurgents fighting U.S. forces in Iraq.
The author of the report from the Government Accountability Office says U.S. military officials do not know what happened to 30 percent of the weapons the United States distributed to Iraqi forces from 2004 through early this year as part of an effort to train and equip the troops. The highest previous estimate of unaccounted-for weapons was 14,000, in a report issued last year by the inspector general for Iraq reconstruction.
The United States has spent $19.2 billion trying to develop Iraqi security forces since 2003, the GAO said, including at least $2.8 billion to buy and deliver equipment. But the GAO said weapons distribution was haphazard and rushed and failed to follow established procedures, particularly from 2004 to 2005, when security training was led by Gen. David H. Petraeus, who now commands all U.S. forces in Iraq.
The Pentagon did not dispute the GAO findings, saying it has launched its own investigation and indicating it is working to improve tracking. Although controls have been tightened since 2005, the inability of the United States to track weapons with tools such as serial numbers makes it nearly impossible for the U.S. military to know whether it is battling an enemy equipped by American taxpayers.
"They really have no idea where they are," said Rachel Stohl, a senior analyst at the Center for Defense Information who has studied small-arms trade and received Pentagon briefings on the issue. "It likely means that the United States is unintentionally providing weapons to bad actors."
One senior Pentagon official acknowledged that some of the weapons probably are being used against U.S. forces. He cited the Iraqi brigade created at Fallujah that quickly dissolved in September 2004 and turned its weapons against the Americans.
Stohl said insurgents frequently use small-arms fire to force military convoys to move in a particular direction -- often toward roadside bombs. She noted that the Bush administration frequently complains that Iran and Syria are supplying insurgents but has paid little attention to whether U.S. military errors inadvertently play a role. "We know there is seepage and very little is being done to address the problem," she said.
Stohl noted that U.S. forces, focused on a fruitless search for weapons of mass destruction after Baghdad fell, did not secure massive weapons caches. The failure to track small arms given to Iraqi forces repeats that pattern of neglect, she added.
The GAO is studying the financing and weapons sources of insurgent groups, but that report will not be made public. "All of that information is classified," said Joseph A. Christoff, the GAO's director of international affairs and trade.
In an unusual move, the train-and-equip program for Iraqi forces is being managed by the Pentagon. Normally, the traditional security assistance programs are operated by the State Department, the GAO reported. The Defense Department said this change permitted greater flexibility, but as of last month it was unable to tell the GAO what accountability procedures, if any, apply to arms distributed to Iraqi forces, the report said.
Iraqi security forces were virtually nonexistent in early 2004, and in June of that year Petraeus was brought in to build them up. No central record of distributed equipment was kept for a year and a half, until December 2005, and even now the records are on a spreadsheet that requires three computer screens lined up side by side to view a single row, Christoff said.
The GAO found that the military was consistently unable to collect supporting documents to "confirm when the equipment was received, the quantities of equipment delivered, and the Iraqi units receiving the equipment." The agency also said there were "numerous mistakes due to incorrect manual entries" in the records that were maintained.
The GAO reached the estimate of 190,000 missing arms -- 110,000 AK-47s and 80,000 pistols -- by comparing the property records of the Multi-National Security Transition Command for Iraq against records Petraeus maintained of the arms and equipment he had ordered. Petraeus's figures were compared with classified data and other records to ensure that they were accurate enough to compare against the property books.
In all cases, the gaps between the two records were enormous. Petraeus reported that about 185,000 AK-47 rifles, 170,000 pistols, 215,000 pieces of body armor and 140,000 helmets were issued to Iraqi security forces from June 2004 through September 2005. But the property books contained records for 75,000 AK-47 rifles, 90,000 pistols, 80,000 pieces of body armor and 25,000 helmets.
A military commander involved in the program at the time, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the report, acknowledged in an e-mail, "We did issue some items, including weapons, body armor, etc. to new Iraqi units that were literally going into battle."
But, the commander argued, "there was, frankly, not much of a choice early on: We had very little staff and could have held the weapons until every piece of the logistical and property accountability system was in place, or we could issue them, in bulk on some occasions, to the U.S. elements supporting Iraqi units who were needed in the battles of Najaf, Fallujah, Mosul, Samarra, etc."
The GAO plans to look for similar problems in the training of Afghan security forces.
During the Bosnian conflict, the United States provided about $100 million in defense equipment to the Bosnian Federation Army, and the GAO found no problems in accounting for those weapons.
Much of the equipment provided to Iraqi troops, including the AK-47s, originates from countries in the former Soviet bloc. In a report last year, Amnesty International said that in 2004 and 2005 more than 350,000 AK-47 rifles and similar weapons were taken out of Bosnia and Serbia, for use in Iraq, by private contractors working for the Pentagon and with the approval of NATO and European security forces in Bosnia.

iraqi training failure and insurgency manual

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/63179/
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 9:45 am | #

Before he claimed a 30k surge was successful in iraqnam, let's see what Gen-Pet believed

Petraeus: A Failure by His Own Standards
By Larry Beinhart, AlterNet. Posted September 21, 2007.

Fog Facts: How can we expect the man who failed at doing just part of the job -- training Iraqi soldiers -- to succeed now that he has the whole job?

Fog Facts are facts that are known. They've been published and are easily accessible. They are important enough that they ought to define the political dialogue. Yet somehow they are as unrecognized as if they were top secret. They're lost in the fog.
Gen. Petraeus, for example, arrives with an amazing fog. There are facts in the militaristic mist all around him, that if noticed, should have even Republicans scheduling flights out of Baghdad.
Let's start with his track record.
Our basic Iraq policy has been and continues to be: "We'll stand down when they stand up." That is, when Iraq has an army and a police force that functions and can maintain order on its own.
The American occupation, run by Paul Bremer III under the aegis of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) disbanded the Iraqi army and, through de-Baathification, took apart the police. As a result, there was no security at the same time that several hundred thousand armed men of military age, with no jobs, were unleashed on the country. Chaos ensued. The occupation, though legally and ethically required to maintain order, and the only people around able to do so, decided not to. It was then that the insurgents arose, forming militias and gangs, to step into the vacuum.
The occupation set out to rebuild the Iraqi Army and Police. So they could stand up and we could stand down.
The man who was given the job was that rising star, Gen. David Petraeus.
He failed.
The Iraqi Army cannot resist the insurgency. The Iraqi police cannot keep order. Indeed, it's far worse than that. Both forces are infiltrated. Some divisions are actually filled with militia members, insurgents and gangsters, dressed up in uniforms. With access to intelligence, arms and equipment. They have engaged in murder, torture and intimidation.
How can we expect the man who failed at doing just part of the job -- training those forces -- to succeed now that he has the whole job?
Nonetheless, Petraeus has a great reputation. US News & World Report said he is "one of the most fascinating people in the United States Army. With a Ph.D. from Princeton University, he is often referred to as the military's warrior-scholar." That's pretty much how everyone talks about him.
After he was sent back to the States from Iraq, he updated the U.S. Army's counterinsurgency manual. It's a public document.
It is well-written. Both the prose and the thinking are clear. It ranges widely through time and cites a variety of sources, including Mao and Clausewitz. It's thoughtful and fairly objective. It is the perfect yardstick to evaluate what is going on Iraq and -- by using Gen. Petraeus' own standards, the U.S. military's official standard -- figure how well we can expect what we're doing to work.
Fog Fact: The counterinsurgency manual recommends a force ratio of between 20 and 25 troops per 1,000 in the population.
The math is very simple. The current estimated population of Iraq is 27,500,000.
The proper size of a counterinsurgency force is therefore a minimum of 550,000, more comfortable at 687,500.
Right now, at the peak of the surge, there are about 169,000 coalition troops (92 percent U.S.) in Iraq. That's 381,000 short of the minimum. Or 506,000 short of the more ideal ratio.
Let us emphasize that this is from a public document. It is official army doctrine. It's available on the Net. Why haven't we seen these numbers on CNN or in the New York Times? Why has no one asked Petraeus about the discrepancy between his own theory and the reality?
Alright, so we're 400,000 or so troops short of a full deck. Does that mean the war can't be "won?"
Fog Fact: How a counterinsurgency war (COIN) is won. Patreaus writes in the manual:
COIN is fought among the populace. Counterinsurgents take upon themselves responsibility for the people's well-being in all its manifestations. These include the following:
. Security from insurgent intimidation and coercion, as well as from nonpolitical violence and crime.
. Provision for basic economic needs.
. Provision of essential services, such as water, electricity, sanitation, and medical care.
. Sustainment of key social and cultural institutions.
. Other aspects that contribute to a society's basic quality of life.
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Neither the Iraq government nor the occupation forces provides any of those things.
America lost those battles within weeks of winning "the war" against Saddam's troops. For a while we claimed we were fighting to win them. But the reconstruction under Paul Bremer was so botched that the quality of life in Iraq today, by these measures, is worse than when Iraq was enduring international sanctions and under the rule of Saddam.

We no longer claim to be fighting those battles, except perhaps to create security. We have abdicated, saying we've done enough for the Iraqis, now they must do it for themselves. Those goals are so obvious and so unarguably worthwhile that we have to figure that if the Iraq government could achieve them, even attempt them, it would. If it hasn't, it's because they are unable.
If they can't, and we wont, then, according to our official doctrine, we will lose the war. Or, to put it another way, the war that was lost four years ago, under Rumsfeld, Bremer and Tommy Franks, will stay lost.
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 9:48 am | #

Fog Fact: How a counterinsurgency war is fought. Again, from the Army's manual: The principles of COIN are well known and form the skeleton of this manual. In essence, the counterinsurgent should --
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. Understand the environment in which the war is being fought.
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. Isolate the insurgents from their cause and their base.
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. Secure the population under the rule of law.
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. Generate intelligence from the population to drive actions against the insurgents.
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. Apply all elements of national power in unison to support the legitimacy of the host nation's government.
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. Be prepared for a long commitment, measured in years, if not decades.
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. Let's start at the bottom, since that should ring some bells: "A long commitment, measured in years if not decades."
. Any discussion of "winning" sooner than 2012 should be off the table. A realistic conversation has to be about staying there until 2017, or 2027, or as Bush has suggested with his comparison to Korea, a half of a century and still counting.
. Back to the top.
. "Understand the environment," means we have to know who we're fighting, why they're fighting, why they have support and what might make them interested in stopping.
. For years we have spoken of "the insurgents" as if they're generic figures in a video game, they insurge because they're insurgents. It would do well to call them the Fakarthy Insurgents. As in "Who the fakarthy?"
. Sometimes we say they're Al Qaeda. By which we mean demons who fight us because they're evil and we're good! That doesn't get us anywhere. It doesn't tell us how to deal with them and besides, most of the insurgency isn't Al Qaeda. It's just a way to wave the bloody flag for the folks at home.
. Answering "Who are they?" is a necessary precursor to "isolating the insurgents" and "generating good intelligence." We haven't done the homework, so when we face the test, we must necessarily fail.
. I don't doubt that the general is as brilliant as he is billed to be. Right now, I'll bet he and his team are pulling all-nighters, even after long days of fighting, trying to learn Arabic and figure who the enemy is. In a few years, or decades, they'll probably get there, too.
. Counterinsurgency FM 3-24 should be required reading for every journalist covering the war, the debate over the war, and the politics of the war. It should also be required for the senators and their staffs who vote 81-0 to put Petraeus in charge of the Iraq operation, and more particularly, those senators who questioned him so ineptly when he delivered his September report.
. It's realistic. It pulls the facts from the fog.
. When the real facts are made visible, the whole picture changes.
. Here's the real picture.
. "Winning" the war in Iraq, according to the best minds our military can provide, requires decades. At least half a million pairs of boots on the ground for the next several years. When things settle down, maybe that can be cut to 200,000 or 300,000. That requires a draft. If we, and the Iraqi government, are to acquire the legitimacy that wins against insurgents, we have to live up to our promises to rebuild and to stabilize the country. Before we can do that, we have to replace our own government -- the one that gave us Paul Bremer III, Donald Rumsfeld and Michael "heck of a job, Brownie" Brown -- with one that employs competent people, who insist on getting the job done in return for the money spent.
. It's not that the war in Iraq can't be "won." It's that no one, on the right, left or middle, has pulled the facts from the fog -- or read the manual -- and said, "If we want to win, this is what it costs. If you're not willing to pay the price, then you're not really talking about winning."
. If we're not talking about winning, then we should be talking about how fast we can get out.

Larry Beinhart is the author of Fog Facts: Searching for Truth in the Land of Spin (2005) and many works of fiction.
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 9:48 am | #

using Gen. Petraeus' own standards, the U.S. military's official standard -- figure how well we can expect what we're doing to work.
Fog Fact: The counterinsurgency manual recommends a force ratio of between 20 and 25 troops per 1,000 in the population.
The math is very simple. The current estimated population of Iraq is 27,500,000.
The proper size of a counterinsurgency force is therefore a minimum of 550,000, more comfortable at 687,500.
Right now, at the peak of the surge, there are about 169,000 coalition troops (92 percent U.S.) in Iraq. That's 381,000 short of the minimum. Or 506,000 short of the more ideal ratio.
Let us emphasize that this is from a public document. It is official army doctrine. It's available on the Net. Why haven't we seen these numbers on CNN or in the New York Times? Why has no one asked Petraeus about the discrepancy between his own theory and the reality?
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 9:50 am | #

Perhaps the trolleyboys will tell us how we can possibly win in iraqnam, subdue all muslims in the world, and win the WOT...... without a DRAFT?
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 9:52 am | #

Let us emphasize that this is from a public document. It is official army doctrine. It's available on the Net. Why haven't we seen these numbers on CNN or in the New York Times? Why has no one asked Petraeus about the discrepancy between his own theory and the reality?
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 9:50 am | #

Because what you are spreading is propaganda leaning to the left. You ask stupid questions that have NO answers and by using this technique you seem to think that it makes sense. But it doesn't. Yet you do allude to the truth when you point out that the authors work is FICTION!!!
In essence you are taking the fictional "Yellow Brick Road" and placing it in Washington, DC. Amusing, maybe factual, NO!
Hound Guest Blogger | 12.24.07 - 10:26 am | #

Fog Fact: How a counterinsurgency war is fought. Again, from the Army's manual: The principles of COIN are well known and form the skeleton of this manual. In essence, the counterinsurgent should --
Larry Beinhart is the author of Fog Facts: Searching for Truth in the Land of Spin (2005) and many works of fiction.
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 9:48 am | #
Hound Guest Blogger | 12.24.07 - 10:27 am | #

About 500 people were murdered in New york City this year -- but the murder rate is dropping. LA too.

If one were to post of the names of all the NYC murder victoms, and the gory details of their demise, people would be afraid to visit.

A white guy follish enough to walk through many black neighborhoods in our large cities would be assaulted becasue of his race.

Bill C is a propagandist with a political agenda. The surrge is working. Get over it.
Anonymous | 12.24.07 - 10:49 am | #

Larry Beinhart is another decorated Left Wing Loon. Hack author with only one goal in mind. Hate Bush, Hate Country, Hate, Hate and Hate...
Mounted Trooper | 12.24.07 - 10:51 am | #

Bill C is a propagandist with a political agenda. The surrge is working. Get over it.
Anonymous | 12.24.07 - 10:49 am | #

I agree 100% with this statemnet above.
The murder rate for Washinton DC is 35.4% for 100,000 people. Yet no one is screaming for people to leave!

The highest is Compton, Cailif. with 67.1% for 100,000 people. According to these 2005 numbers it is safer in Iraq than the United States of America. But Don't tell Bill Corcoran, he lives in Munchkin land.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0...a/ A0934323.html
Mounted Trooper | 12.24.07 - 10:57 am | #

Gee I wonder how many people in the U.S. are being killed by IED's and car bombs. Comparing the murder rate in a country of 27 million to a country of 300 Million is idiotic.
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 11:01 am | #

FrankC | 12.24.07 - 11:01 am | #
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Well, it's always legitimate to compare rates. But who knows exactly the rate of Iraq ?
Zzorglubb | 12.24.07 - 11:05 am | #

If we screw our soldier multiple times over in Iraq, isn't that the same as having extra pairs of boots on the ground? That's a winning strategy.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/ ne...hi_tab01_layout

My wish for Christmas would be those few who sacrifice the most can be forced to double, nay quadrapole, their service time in Iraq. Victory will soon be ours.

USA! USA!! USA!!!

Support The Troops this Christmas.
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 11:05 am | #

Perhaps the trolleyboys will tell us how we can possibly win in iraqnam, subdue all muslims in the world, and win the WOT...... without a DRAFT?
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 9:52 am
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Huh?

We are not trying to "subdue all Muslims in the world." Last time I looked, thousands of Muslims are fighting alongside of Americans in Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries, killing radicals daily.

To say we want to subdue all Muslims is leftist nonsense.
Northwoods | 12.24.07 - 11:08 am | #

You know, the Nazis also looted the countries they invaded so I don't really see anything wrong with this: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/ tol...icle3085253.ece

Otherwise, what's war good for, right?

Merry Christmas, everybody.
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 11:09 am | #

To say we want to subdue all Muslims is leftist nonsense.
Northwoods | 12.24.07 - 11:08 am | #

As much nonsense as invading a country that was no threat to us?
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 11:10 am | #

Some of you are too simplistic and equate destruction with buildings in ruins.

Having a limited a vision, you can’t go beyond the material, the physical...

I reiterate, you Americans have destroyed everything in Iraq. And I mean EVERYTHING.

You say there are "good" Muslims around? I say what you call a "good" Muslim is either not a Muslim or is as stupid as a Republican.
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 11:15 am | #

You say there are "good" Muslims around? I say what you call a "good" Muslim is either not a Muslim or is as stupid as a Republican.
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 11:15 am | #
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Those "non-Muslims" are joining with the Americans daily to kill radicals. And more are joining every day. Get over it. Your pre-scripted narrative of quagmire and defeat in Iraq is a flop.
Northwoods | 12.24.07 - 11:20 am | #

Hound Guest Blogger | 12.24.07 - 10:26 am | #

well, son

go ahead

REFUTE any of the FACTS presented in these articles

especially, let's see you REFUTE the FACTS on insurgency that General Petraeus WROTE himself in the manual on insurgency, before he pretended 30k surge is successful

or that he FAILED to train enough iraqis in 2 YEARS

or that he FAILED to account for nearly 200K weapons HE was in charge of handing out

didn't think so
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 11:20 am | #

To say we want to subdue all Muslims is leftist nonsense.
Northwoods | 12.24.07 - 11:08 am | #

NW, meet Vince Pee

oh, that is probably your sockpuppet

never mind
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 11:21 am | #

Police State America - A Look Back and Ahead.

Random thought: If you're screwed, and you're too stupid to know it, are you really screwed?
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 11:25 am | #

Because what you are spreading is propaganda
Hound Guest Blogger | 12.24.07 - 10:26 am | #

more facts for tim, in ok/aka guest

propaganda
derogatory information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a particular pov, usually political

show us the lies in those articles

hey, vet imposter, why are you no longer using tim, in ok screename? cause you got OUTED as a liar and vet smearer on BILL"S last thread, huh!
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 11:28 am | #

Wonder why BILL"s threads are all going to 1000 posts?

Because it is incumbent for the chicknhawk pro war trolls to divert and smear any war vets speaking TRUTH to power and refute the rw lies in msm

that's why....

if these corporate war profiteer shills truly believed what they spew on NH, why wouldn't they all be in iraqnam, killing "radical" muslims/al queda......??

too funny
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 11:32 am | #

Northwoods | 12.24.07 - 11:20 am | #
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You should inform Vince. He believes all muslims are after us, and want to take the world over.
Zzorglubb | 12.24.07 - 11:36 am | #

If you embark on the project to rape of a country, it's treasures and it's people, are you less of a rapist if you finally succeed in the rape?

Moot question though. The Middle East is going to screw you so thoroughly, is already screwing you so thoroughly, that you'll be lucky if you have a shadow of your own country standing when the dust settles. Already, which ones of your famous "Freedoms" still remain standing? And this has not even begun yet.

Don't make the mistake of equating body counts with winning. If you do, you're fooling yourself. Hitler killed 6 million Jews but, if I remember correctly, Hitler did not win the War-On-Jews.
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 11:38 am | #

MARIE THERESE, who edits my guest post for NEWS HOUNDS, added a video to the main post late yesterday. It is a gripping story of Iraq with a Christmas theme. Don't miss it. It will tear your heart out.

You can watch it here without going back to the main topic of my post:

http://tinyurl.com/2tbsj4 or here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K...h? v=KniGn1824bs

BILL CORCORAN, bringing everyone up to speed.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 11:49 am | #

Bill,
900+ comments! (of which I have read every one)
You sure do have the knack of getting a response!
In case I haven't already, I wanted to wish you a Merry Christmas and a great holiday season!
Thanks for all your efforts.
MLP | 12.24.07 - 11:57 am | #

ANONYMOUS and MOUNTAIN TROOPER: If what you say here in your comment: Bill C is a propagandist with a political agenda. The surrge is working. Get over it.
Anonymous | 12.24.07 - 10:49 am | #

I agree 100% with this statemnet above.
The murder rate for Washinton DC is 35.4% for 100,000 people. Yet no one is screaming for people to leave!

The highest is Compton, Cailif. with 67.1% for 100,000 people. According to these 2005 numbers it is safer in Iraq than the United States of America. But Don't tell Bill Corcoran, he lives in Munchkin land.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0...a/ A0934323.html
Mounted Trooper | 12.24.07 - 10:57 am | #
then WHY IS ALL THIS HAPPENING IN IRAQ?

Factbox - Security developments in Iraq, 24 Dec 2007
Dec 24 (Reuters) - Following are security developments in Iraq at 1300 GMT on Monday.

* denotes new or updated item

* SAMARRA - U.S. helicopter gunfire killed four gunmen planting a roadside bomb and wounded two civilians on Sunday in the city of Samarra, 100 km (62 miles) north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

BAGHDAD - Two roadside bombs wounded six people in the Saidiya district in southern Baghdad, police said.

BAQUBA - Gunmen kidnapped 14 members from one family when they stopped their minibus north of the city of Baquba, 65 km (40 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.

BAGHDAD - A car bomb killed one person and wounded five others on Sinak Bridge in central Baghdad, police said.

BAGHDAD - Three bodies were found in different districts in Baghdad on Sunday, police said.

HELL, ACCORDING TO ANONYMOUS AND MOUNTAIN TROOPER THE WAR IS OVER IN IRAQ.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 12:01 pm | #

Wonder why BILL"s threads are all going to 1000 posts?

Because it is incumbent for the chicknhawk pro war trolls to divert and smear any war vets speaking TRUTH to power and refute the rw lies in msm

that's why....
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Wrong.....It is because Bill is such an obvious extreme far left propagandist who does not tell the truth. Bill's lies are the reason last weeks "report" had to be revised eh?

FOX News Becomes Almost Silent About "Surge Success" As Violence Escalates All Across Iraq
Reported by Marie Therese - December 16, 2007 - 1151 comments
GUEST BLOGGED BY BILL CORCORAN

Post updated and altered to correct the unintentional and erroneous impression that FOX News has not covered the Iraq War at all.
William Jefferson | 12.24.07 - 12:03 pm | #

900+ comments! (of which I have read every one)
MLP | 12.24.07 - 11:57 am
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You would learn much more by reading the telephone book. Most of the posts are just loony leftist propaganda, and means less than nothing in the overall scheme of things.
Northwoods | 12.24.07 - 12:04 pm | #

ANONYMOUS, MOUNTAIN TROOPER AND VINCE P. Do you approve of this way of announcing the deaths of U.S. troops in IRAQ?

U.S. Deaths Confirmed By The DoD: 3896

Reported U.S. Deaths Pending DoD Confirmation: 1

Total 3897
DoD Confirmation List
Latest Coalition Fatality: Dec 21, 2007

Post Iraq Deaths Not Confirmed By the DoD

Name Date
Richards, Jack D. 29-Jul-2007

Cassidy, Gerald J. 25-Sep-2007

Smith, John "Bill" 01-Oct-2005

Wasielewsk, Anthony Raymond 08-Oct-2007

Salerno III, Raymond A. 16-Jul-2006

Note: The soldiers listed above died from wounds received in Iraq, however, the DoD has not included their deaths in their official count.

So tell me "chickenhawks," do you approve of the DOD not announcing the deaths of these soldiers in Iraq because they were non-combat deaths?

Would they have died if they weren't in IRAQ?

Speak up "tough guys,

BILL CORCORAN, author of this post and a former GI who will NEVER stop sticking up for every man and woman in the military.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 12:08 pm | #

William Jefferson | 12.24.07 - 12:03 pm | #
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Define left, far left, extreme far left, and tell us what makes Bill extreme far left.
Zzorglubb | 12.24.07 - 12:10 pm | #

WOKE: Thanks so much for these comments. Merry Christmas, buddy.
Bill Corcoran

Because what you are spreading is propaganda
Hound Guest Blogger | 12.24.07 - 10:26 am | #

more facts for tim, in ok/aka guest

propaganda
derogatory information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a particular pov, usually political

show us the lies in those articles

hey, vet imposter, why are you no longer using tim, in ok screename? cause you got OUTED as a liar and vet smearer on BILL"S last thread, huh!
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 11:28 am | #

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Wonder why BILL"s threads are all going to 1000 posts?

Because it is incumbent for the chicknhawk pro war trolls to divert and smear any war vets speaking TRUTH to power and refute the rw lies in msm

that's why....

if these corporate war profiteer shills truly believed what they spew on NH, why wouldn't they all be in iraqnam, killing "radical" muslims/al queda......??

too funny
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 11:32 am | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 12:13 pm | #

BILL CORCORAN, author of this post and a former GI who will NEVER stop sticking up for every man and woman in the military.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 12:08 pm | #
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I for one would love to see you visit Iraq and spew your extreme left propaganda and lies directly to the very same troops you claim to support. Somehow I believe you just might go "MIA".
William Jefferson | 12.24.07 - 12:15 pm | #

Most of the posts are just loony leftist propaganda ...
Northwoods | 12.24.07 - 12:04 pm |

Yet you just can't counter it, or prove it wrong can you. Tell me what is it like to feel neutered, eh?
radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:16 pm | #

MLP: THANKS for the comment below and Merry Christmas and a happy holiday season to you and yours, too. Thanks for all your support, but there is more to do and you and I both know it.

BILL CORCORAN, waiting to dive into a baked ham dinner.

Bill,
900+ comments! (of which I have read every one)
You sure do have the knack of getting a response!
In case I haven't already, I wanted to wish you a Merry Christmas and a great holiday season!
Thanks for all your efforts.
MLP | 12.24.07 - 11:57 am | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 12:20 pm | #

hey, vet imposter, why are you no longer using tim, in ok screename? cause you got OUTED as a liar and vet smearer on BILL"S last thread, huh!
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 11:28 am
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Don't believe woke. He belongs to the VVAW, an organization proven in the past to have phoney soldiers and fake veterans as members.

This organization is full of old deranged radical hippy veterans. They are just old guys with small minds and large prostates.
Northwoods | 12.24.07 - 12:21 pm | #

You would learn much more by reading the telephone book.
Northwoods | 12.24.07 - 12:04 pm
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Au contraire, Northy!
If I hadn't known already, I could have learned what a total asshole you are!

But Merry Christmas up there in the northwoods! Be sure and have the locals shovel my driveway as I want it ready for New Year's eve.
MLP | 12.24.07 - 12:22 pm | #

ANONYMOUS, MOUNTAIN TROOPER and VINCE P. Could you possibly explain to me why ALL this is happening IRAQ if the "surge" is working so well?

BILL CORCORAN, looking out for our GIs in IRAQ

Monday, December 24, 2007
War News for Monday, December 24, 2007
Baghdad:
#1: At least two people were killed and four wounded when a car bomb exploded near the Iranian embassy in central Baghdad. The number of casualties of the car bomb attack in the city's Salihiya neighbourhood was expected to rise, Iraq's independent al- Sharkiya TV channel reported.

#2: Two roadside bombs wounded six people in the Saidiya district in southern Baghdad, police said.

Diyala Prv:
Khalis:
#1: In the Diyala province attack, gunmen suspected of belonging to the al-Qaeda terrorist network stopped a mini-bus carrying 14 people at a fake checkpoint in Khalis district, 15 kilometres north of Baquba, reports said. The militants took the passengers to an unknown location, the independent Voices of Iraq (VOI) news agency reported citing an official security source.

Kut:
#1: U.S. forces killed two gunmen and detained two others during operations in the Kut area, 170 km (100 miles) southeast of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

Samarra:
#1: U.S. helicopter gunfire killed four gunmen planting a roadside bomb and wounded two civilians on Sunday in the city of Samarra, 100 km (62 miles) north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

Karmak:
#1: To the north, police said an attack Sunday night on a police station on the Iraqi-Iranian border killed two policemen. The raid was in the region of Karmak, where violent attacks targeting police and the Iraqi military have been on the rise in recent weeks, the report said.

Hamdaniya:
#1: Two unidentified bodies were found in al-Hamdaniya district, 22 km east of Mosul city, on Monday morning, an official police source said."Both bodies showed signs of having been shot and were moved to a morgue in Arbil," the source, who preferred not to have his name mentioned, told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 12:24 pm | #

Yet you just can't counter it, or prove it wrong can you. Tell me what is it like to feel neutered, eh?
radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:16 pm
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What do you mean "you can't counter it or prove it wrong"? Of course he can.

Pick a fact, any fact, and he can call it Leftist propaganda thereby effectively countering it and rendering it useless in one brilliant move.

Next fact please.

;>))
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 12:29 pm | #

Kut:
#1: U.S. forces killed two gunmen and detained two others during operations in the Kut area, 170 km (100 miles) southeast of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

Samarra:
#1: U.S. helicopter gunfire killed four gunmen planting a roadside bomb and wounded two civilians on Sunday in the city of Samarra, 100 km (62 miles) north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.
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Thank you Bill for providing information on the outstanding job our military is doing. Give those Muslim extremists hell boys!
William Jefferson | 12.24.07 - 12:36 pm | #

BILL CORCORAN, looking out for our GIs in IRAQ
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...Like a fox looking out for chickens.

The only thing you are looking after is your leftist political agenda.

The surge is working. Live iwth it. If you are having trouble accepting that fact, you may need to help for your acute case of Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Northwoods | 12.24.07 - 12:37 pm | #

The only thing you are looking after is your leftist political agenda.

The surge is working. Live iwth it. If you are having trouble accepting that fact, you may need to help for your acute case of Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Northwoods | 12.24.07 - 12:37 pm | #
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Right on Mr. Northwoods! Funny how a man who claims he "will NEVER stop sticking up for every man and woman in the military" mocks and denies the gains of their hard work and sacrifice. Truth be told most of the real military troops currently serving in Iraq have as much use for extreme left propagandists like Bill as they do a AK-47 round fired at them by Muslim gunmen.
William Jefferson | 12.24.07 - 12:48 pm | #

There's entire shelves of books that describe tired old Left tactics that you folks are emersed in
--- Vince P
Yes, its called the Fantasy section.
radmod | 12.24.07 - 12:49 pm | #

The Northwoods is full of bear shit.
Anonymous | 12.24.07 - 12:55 pm | #

sorry, anon was me.
USAFSS | 12.24.07 - 12:57 pm | #

William Jefferson | 12.24.07 - 12:03 pm | #

900+ comments! (of which I have read every one)
MLP | 12.24.07 - 11:57 am
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You would learn much more by reading the telephone book. Most of the posts are just loony leftist propaganda, and means less than nothing in the overall scheme of things.
Northwoods | 12.24.07 - 12:04 pm | #

which is why you are here, doing what? refuting any of the FACTS presented? NOPE

just attempting to smear the messengers because you cannot refute the message

if you can, why don't you??
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:04 pm | #

William Jefferson | 12.24.07 - 12:48 pm | #
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Leftists and the Democrats have
invested EVERYTHING in their pre-scripted narrative of quagmire and defeat in Iraq. Then, in their wetest of nocturnal emissions, the narrative includes a grand orgasmic climax -- the impeachment of the President.

Most of the anti-war war types are crazy old radical fools quagmired in the 60's. They simply cannot, will not, ever abandon this script of defeatism.
Northwoods | 12.24.07 - 1:08 pm | #

I for one would love to see you visit Iraq and spew your extreme left propaganda and lies directly to the very same troops you claim to support. Somehow I believe you just might go "MIA".
William Jefferson | 12.24.07 - 12:15 pm | #

and WE would love to see you chickenhawk perpetual war neocon supporters join up and put YOUR asses on the line for what you CLAIM to believe....but that's not gonna happen, is it?

your brain is missing in action indoctrinated one

Truth be told most of the real military troops currently serving in Iraq have as much use for extreme left propagandists like Bill as they do a AK-47 round fired at them by Muslim gunmen.
William Jefferson | 12.24.07 - 12:48 pm | #

Are you aware that 120,000 of those AK's were provided by your hero, Gen-Pet, sonnyboy
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:08 pm | #

This organization is full of old deranged radical hippy veterans. They are just old guys with small minds and large prostates.
Northwoods | 12.24.07 - 12:21 pm | #

more war vet denigration, from those who have never served anyone but themselves, and want to keep our current veterans in a no win senario by lying and misinforming the citizens of the usa

pathetic rw political prostitute chickenshit

eh?
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:10 pm | #

William Jefferson | 12.24.07 - 12:48 pm | #
************************

That statement is crap. Many soldiers have spoken out about the mess in Iraq. For years.

The War as We Saw It

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/1...r=1& oref=slogin

Atrocities in Iraq: 'I killed innocent people for our government'

http://dwb.sacbee.com/content/op...- 10241546c.html

Breaking Ranks

http://www.motherjones.com/news/.../11/ 10_400.html

Iraq Soldiers Speak Out Supporting Murtha...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...- s_n_13819.html
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The last one is interesting because it details quotes from soldiers that Fox failed to include in their report of the event.

*
Michelle | 12.24.07 - 1:14 pm | #

VVAW

a group of WAR vets who watched as thousands of their comrades were sacrificed on the rw altar of war profits

watched as their comrades returned with PTSD and Agent Orange and were not treated or cared about for years by the govt who sent them

it was the VVAW....who got these things addressed, after years of lobbying and informing the public

and now we watch as the same cabal of rw/neocon war profiteers refuse to provide care for DEPLETED URANIUM POISONED vets from Gulf War I and this occupation

Louisiana VVAW Members Get First DU-Testing Bill Passed into Law

By Ward Reilly

http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/ arti...epleted+uranium

but these shills CLAIM to support the troops, right?

But they truly ONLY support war vets who agree with their POLITICS of perpetual war for profits
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:15 pm | #

According to a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll, 60% of families with at least one member in the military say going to war with Iraq was not worth it. 64% say the U.S. should withdraw troops from Iraq immediately or within the next year. Only 29% say the troops should stay in Iraq as long as it takes to win.

Damned defeatist crazy old radical fools, eh?
Stosh | 12.24.07 - 1:16 pm | #

Most of the anti-war war types are crazy old radical fools quagmired in the 60's. They simply cannot, will not, ever abandon this script of defeatism.
Northwoods | 12.24.07 - 1:08 pm | #
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I rarely ever come here because, well, the site is filled up with such strange people (read radical left). Your above comment certainly makes sense. From what I read here the supposed "military experts" are simply washed up 50's and 60's radicals. The thought than any of them would have a clear or consise picture of what is actually taking place in Iraq today is laughable.
William Jefferson | 12.24.07 - 1:17 pm | #

by the way NW

i noted which post you responded to....

did you post any pics of yourself "in the shit" yet?

there's an entire thread in the ot forum dedicated to your war vet denigration

keep denigrating war vets sonny

it shows EVERYONE who you really are....and who you really support at our vet's expense

lil aWol and hallichainy
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:18 pm | #

nothing but SMEARS.....

no facts

no refutals of facts posted

just namecalling

WHY is that trolley boys?

Facts have a liberal bias, eh?
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:19 pm | #

Stosh

Here is a group of military families who support their vets, without regard to politics

mfso.org
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:21 pm | #

Woke,

Here's a great website I recommend you check out:

http://www.wintersoldier.com/
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 1:24 pm | #

and another

gsfp.org
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:28 pm | #

and here are some vet organizations who support vets regardless of politics too

vvaw.org

ivaw.org

iava.org

veteransforpeace.org

veteransforcommonsense.org
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:29 pm | #

Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 1:24 pm
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You're kidding, right?
MLP | 12.24.07 - 1:31 pm | #

hey Jack

that is a SMEAR site, full of lies about the REAL winter soldiers

i suggest you take your site and put it where the sun don't shine buddy

here is the refutals of their LIES and MISINFORMATION AND SMEARS of war vets

http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/? ...intersoldierorg
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:32 pm | #

THE TESTIMONY AUTHENTICATED__At the time of the Winter Soldier Investigation (WSI), the press questioned the authenticity of the veterans' testimony. The veterans came to tell their story, not to debate whether it was true. In effect this forced the people from the media, particularly the newspapers, to spend their energy and time checking the stories out. By the second day of testimony, the newspapers were including corroboration in their reports. The front page of the Feb. 2nd Detroit Free Press carried this authentication, "The Free Press found additional witnesses, two ex-Marines, who had no connection with the Winter Soldier Investigation, who confirmed that several Marine companies participated in a search-and-destroy operation inside Laos in February and early March 1969. The Free Press informed its readers that the veterans upon whose testimony it reported had been authenticated by either the Pentagon or the Defense Department."__http://www.vvaw.org/press/? id=59...=winter+soldier___
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:36 pm | #

hey Jack

that is a SMEAR site, full of lies about the REAL winter soldiers

i suggest you take your site and put it where the sun don't shine buddy

I see you didnt even try to dispute it with some basic facts eh?
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 1:36 pm | #

"The veterans in the film, black and white and Native American, and Asian American and Hispanic American, had gone to be in a war to uphold what they held dear about their country. Not all of them went believing in the war, but many of them did. When they came home they had seen things about themselves, their country, their leaders, about class and race, about sexism in war; things that did not get printed in the newspapers and got no coverage on television even as the American public watched war footage every night on the 'news.' One common theme in what the veterans testified about, that stood out as extraordinary, is that the war in Vietnam was being waged largely against civilians. Each of the men in the film exercised courage in speaking the truth at a time when many of their fellow Americans and fellow veterans called them traitors for speaking what they experienced as truth about the war.__The fact that this process of truth-telling was not respected and honored as a part of the experience of these soldiers is one of the reasons that the subject of the war in Vietnam continues to be misunderstood and misrepresented.__http://www.vvaw.org/press/? id=59...=winter+soldier
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:37 pm | #

Jack, you don't' know shit apparently

the links i'm posting fully refute the bullshit at that site

You are just one more rw chickenhawk war vet denigrator

join up or stfu sonnyboy
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:38 pm | #

these trolleyboy chickenshit chickenhawks are denigrating REAL war vets for PURELY POLITICAL PURPOSES...to continue their WAR PROFITEERING ways with no dissent from anyone, including the actual vets who suffered under their previous FAILED UNNECESSARY WAR
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:34 pm |

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Hey dude, you on crack? You sure do sound like you're tripping son.

Shit that damn VWAW was started by and is still filled up with communists.

You commie pinko scum boy?
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T.J. | 12.24.07 - 1:38 pm | #

Here's more good news coming out of Iraq folks. We are winning the war despite what people like Woke and the other left wing loonies try to tell you.

http://www.townhall.com/ columnis...aq_is_a_success
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 1:39 pm | #

SUPPORT THE TROOPS: Send them far far away from their loved ones and their families to live and die, and to kill innocents, in a foreign country that had nothing to do with anything in an unnecessary forever war with no endgame.

Hell YEAH!!!

USA! USA!! USA!!!
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:40 pm | #

TJ

you worried about commies?

perhaps you might wanna question why your hero, lil aWol has borrowed billions from the COMMUNIST CHINESE during the last 7 years, to finance a tax break for the richest 1% and to finance his failed PNAC foreign policy pre emptive aggressions

the rw USE our veterans as pawns for their war profiteering

then HIDE behind them, as if they are patriots

when, in fact, they are smearing any war vets who speak truth to power, both back in the 70's and today

and that's a FACT JACK
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:41 pm | #

Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 1:39 pm
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That damn woke boy is a fucking commie!

Shit I bet he still has a poster of Hanoi Jane hanging on his bedroom wall.

Bet he got thrown out of the military for doing dope.
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T.J. | 12.24.07 - 1:43 pm | #

You commie pinko scum boy?
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T.J. | 12.24.07 - 1:38 pm | #

I'll put that in my vet denigration file sonnyboy

along with the other bs from chickenshits too ASKEERED to join up themselves and who believe all the lying bs told them by their hero chickenhawk masters

like lil aWol and hallichainy the war profiteers
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:43 pm | #

again BOYS

i'd like to thank you for showing everyone how rwrs support our war vets

ONLY if they SWALLOW the neocon LIES
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:44 pm | #

Did my time, spent 4 years in, including 1 year in a war zone BOYS

how bout chu?

are ya signing up to fight for what YOU CLAIM to believe in

or do you think you are supporting the cause here on NH

by denigrating REAL WAR VETERANS

who don't swallow the rw indoctrination?

don't worry, i don't expect a response, any refutals of FACTS presented

just more insults and namecalling

it's all you got
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:47 pm | #

Or dishonerably discharged perhaps....
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 1:44 pm |
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That could be true Jack.

The boy sounds like he's got some kind of mental condition going on.

Maybe when the commies took him into that VVAW they brainwashed the boys mind.
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T.J. | 12.24.07 - 1:47 pm | #

VVAW: Where We Came From, Who We Are

[Printer-Friendly Version]

Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Inc. (VVAW) is a national veterans' organization that was founded in New York City in 1967 after six Vietnam vets marched together in a peace demonstration. It was organized to voice the growing opposition among returning servicemen and women to the still-raging war in Indochina, and grew rapidly to a membership of over 30,000 throughout the United States as well as active duty GIs stationed in Vietnam. Through ongoing actions and grassroots organization, VVAW exposed the ugly truth about US involvement in Southeast Asia and our first-hand experiences helped many other Americans to see the unjust nature of that war.

VVAW quickly took up the struggle for the rights and needs of veterans. In 1970, we started the first rap groups to deal with traumatic after-effects of war, setting the example for readjustment counselling at Vet Centers now. We exposed the shameful neglect of many disabled vets in VA Hospitals and helped draft legislation to improve educational benefits and create job programs. VVAW fought for amnesty for war resisters, including vets with bad discharges. We helped make known the negative health effects of exposure to chemical defoliants and the VA's attempts to cover-up these conditions as well as their continued refusal to provide treatment and compensation for many Agent Orange Victims.

Today our government is still financing and arming undemocratic and repressive regimes around the world. Recently, American troops have been sent into combat in the Middle East and Central America, for many of the same misguided reasons that were used to send us to Southeast Asia. Meanwhile, many veterans are still denied justice -- facing unemployment, discrimination, homelessness, post-traumatic stress disorder and other health problems, while already inadequate services are being cut back or eliminated.

We believe that service to our country and communities did not end when we were discharged. We remain committed to the struggle for peace and for social and economic justice for all people. We will continue to oppose senseless military adventures and to teach the real lessons of the Vietnam War. We will do all we can to prevent another generation from being put through a similar tragedy and we will continue to demand dignity and respect for veterans of all eras. This is real patriotism and we remain true to our mission. JOIN US!

vvaw.org

David Cline RIP
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:49 pm | #

woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:43 pm
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It's just great to see how the holiday spirit has filled us all with the joy and understanding this fine Christmas Eve, isn't it? Kinda like the 'Peace on Earth, Goodwill to Men' type of thing.

In actuality, it's truly useless trying to argue with these fucking trolls, woke. They only know what they've been told, and will take any opportunity to denigrate those who have more knowledge than them.
Woke, have a great Christmas, and let the idiots remain the uninformed trolls they are. There is no way they will understand the things that we know.
MLP | 12.24.07 - 1:50 pm | #

Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 1:39 pm | #

That article proves to you that Iraq is a success???

Really????

Boy, just how gullible ARE you!

Is there even a limit to your gullibility??

But anyone who still worries about "commies", and links to a web site that thinks Hillary Clinton is a commie can't have too many working brain cells!

But I will say this - that was the FUNNIEST link posted here today! Really good for a laugh! Even more so than T.J.'s juvenile and childish rants!
No Nonsense | 12.24.07 - 1:54 pm | #

David Cline RIP
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:49 pm |
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Damn son, you don't even know about your own little group.

I think them commies messed with your mind boy.

o In his April 1971 speech to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, John Kerry claimed that war crimes committed by the American military against Vietnamese civilians were "not isolated incidents, but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis..." War crimes in Vietnam were actually quite rare.

o Kerry claimed that war crimes were being committed "with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." In fact, military personnel were warned that "if you disobey the rules of engagement, you can be tried and punished." War crimes were never a matter of policy, and were prosecuted when discovered.

o Kerry charged that the war in Vietnam was a racist war, that "blacks provided the highest percentage of casualties." Research published in B.G. Burkett's book "Stolen Valor" and other sources shows that casualty rates for black and white soldiers during Vietnam closely matched the proportion of America's overall population represented by each race.

o Kerry claimed that Vietnam was "ravaged equally by American bombs and search-and-destroy missions as well as by Viet Cong terrorism..." Later in his remarks, Kerry responded to a question about what might happen to the South Vietnamese after our withdrawal with "So what I am saying is that yes, there will be some recrimination but far, far less than the 200,000 a year who are murdered by the United States of America..." Yet according to historian Guenter Lewy in "America in Vietnam," "...the number of civilians killed deliberately by the VC is appallingly high. No counterpart to this death toll caused by communist terror tactics exists on the allied side."

o Asked for a recommendation about possible courses of action for Congress to pursue, Kerry stated that he had talked with representatives from Hanoi and from the PRG (Viet Cong) at the Paris peace talks, and mentioned his support for "Madam Binh's points." Madam Nguyen Thi Binh was at that time the Foreign Minister for the PRG. These meetings took place in the spring of 1970, before Kerry ever joined the VVAW.

o Kerry was a leader, fund-raiser, and spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), an organization that staged mock mass murders of civilians to dramatize American atrocities, and handed out flyers that read "if you had been Vietnamese" American infantrymen might have "burned your house" or "raped your wife and daughter" and "American soldiers do these things every day to the Vietnamese simply because they are 'Gooks.'"

o Kerry's used "testimony" from the VVAW's "Winter Soldier Investigation" as the basis for his war crimes charges, although none of the witnesses there were willing to sign depositions affirming their claims. Later investigators were unable to confirm any of the reported atrocities, and in fact discovered that a number of the witnesses had never been in Vietnam, had never been in combat, or were imposters who had assumed the identity of real veterans.

o The deception extended to the VVAW leadership. Executive secretary Al Hubbard claimed to have been an Air Force captain wounded piloting a transport over Da Nang in 1966. Hubbard was actually a staff sergeant who was never assigned to Vietnam.

o The Winter Soldier Investigation was financed by pro-Hanoi radicals such as Jane Fonda and Mark Lane, who hoped to undermine American support for the war by framing American soldiers as mass murderers. At the same time, the North Vietnamese military was torturing American prisoners of war to make them confess to identical crimes. At least one former POW has stated that Kerry's testimony was used by North Vietnam to demoralize American prisoners during interrogations.

o John Kerry has denied any association with Jane Fonda, but he attended the 1970 VVAW leadership meeting that chose Fonda and Executive Secretary Al Hubbard to do a national speaking tour to raise money for the VVAW and launch new chapters. Fonda was also the primary source of funds for the Winter Soldier Investigation, where Kerry was a moderator.

o The VVAW signed the People's Peace Treaty during Kerry's tenure -- the VVAW even sent a delegation to Hanoi. The document was a laundry list of North Vietnamese bargaining points, including the key concession that the United States must agree to withdraw all troops before any negotiations could take place for the return of American prisoners.

o The VVAW was at the heart of the propaganda effort that so effectively smeared American servicemen in Vietnam as murderous, drug-addled psychotics that returning veterans were cursed and spat upon in the streets. In fact, as shown in B.G. Burkett's book "Stolen Valor," Vietnam veterans are more psychologically stable and successful than their civilian counterparts.

o The VVAW was a radical and potentially violent organization that formally considered assassinating prominent supporters of the war. As reported in the New York Sun by Thomas Lipscomb, during a November 1971 meeting in Kansas City the VVAW leadership and chapter coordinators voted down a plan to murder several U.S. Senators, including John Tower, John Stennis, and Strom Thurmond. Two VVAW members who were present, Randy Barnes and Terry Du-Bose, place John Kerry at that meeting, as do the meeting minutes and FBI records. Kerry claims to have resigned from the VVAW at the meeting or shortly thereafter, but there is no evidence that he ever informed authorities about the conspiracy. Kerry continued to publicly represent the VVAW until at least April of 1972.
T.J. | 12.24.07 - 1:54 pm | #

Thank you MLP

Keep supporting BILL C posting the TRUTH

Merry Christmas/Season's Greetings to ya

Wish i could be totally consumed with the peace of the season, but knowing there are American troops dying and being maimed for the same war profiteer lies that occurred during my enlistment makes that impossible.

I thank God i survived to speak the truth about WAR, as I thank God for my family and especially my 6 grandchildren, that allow me to forget and enjoy the true spirit of Christmas=PEACE on earth, and GOOD WILL to ALL men/women

The SMEAR LIARS will all have to answer for themselves someday

until then

Honor the warriors, not the war
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:55 pm | #

Yay TJ

Keep on posting your LIES and MISINFORMATION that attempts to SMEAR REAL WAR VETERANS

based on your EXTREME RW POLITICAL IDEOLOGY

you show who you are...

what? no link

haaahahaahahahaahhahahaahahaqha

what a shillboy
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:56 pm | #

T.J. | 12.24.07 - 1:54 pm | #

OK, we have a new winner!

An idiot obsessed with John Kerry!

Boy, the laughs keep coming here today!

Good dog, T.J.! Now, roll over! Sit! Good boy!
No Nonsense | 12.24.07 - 1:59 pm | #

Kerry again????? YAWN!!!!! these trollboys are going to beat that dead horse till it dies again????? How utterly boring.
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 2:00 pm | #

"a plan to murder several U.S. Senators"

Bwaaa-haaahaaaa!

Oh, it hurts to laugh this much!

Got any more nutball conspiracy theories to sell here?

C'mon, keep it coming!
No Nonsense | 12.24.07 - 2:01 pm | #

I'd offer to sell T.J. a bridge, but I think Jack McLafferty bought them all!
No Nonsense | 12.24.07 - 2:02 pm | #

No Nonsense | 12.24.07 - 2:02 pm | #

You can't have the Brooklyn bridge, I've already sold it.
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 2:03 pm | #

I thank God i survived to speak the truth about WAR, as I thank God for my family and especially my 6 grandchildren, that allow me to forget and enjoy the true spirit of Christmas=PEACE on earth, and GOOD WILL to ALL men/women

The SMEAR LIARS will all have to answer for themselves someday

until then

Honor the warriors, not the war
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:55 pm | #

So you agree with JOhn Kerry and Jane Fonda?

You type a good line of bullshit, the problem is that many others have been in wars. Some of us were in the same war as you and we see life in a much different focus. Clear and unobstructed by drugs!!!
Mounted Trooper | 12.24.07 - 2:10 pm | #

Mounted Trooper | 12.24.07 - 2:10 pm | #

Is that all you have, projection? You're a disgrace to all the mounted troopers who have worn the uniform.
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 2:16 pm | #

Guys I would ask that for this joyous occasion which we call Christmas that you anti-military folks can come together for at least one day. What do you say?
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 2:16 pm | #

Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 2:16 pm | #

More projection, nobody here is anti-military, we're against the leadership that sends them to fight unnecessary wars. Learn to tell the difference.
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 2:18 pm | #

woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 1:55 pm | #

You enjoy posting your DOS, MOS, Location. Why not post your MPR Stats. for your military time?
Mounted Trooper | 12.24.07 - 2:18 pm | #

Ex-Military here. Bush and Cheney are turds and fuck-ups.
General Escape Goat | 12.24.07 - 2:20 pm | #

OK, grossest sockpuppet name ever...Mounted Trooper...anyway you look at it...eewww.

WTF is "we see life in a much different focus", and who is 'we'?

Does that mean you have scales on your eyes?

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Michelle | 12.24.07 - 2:16 pm | #

Ovbiously you are too ignorant to appreciate the srceen name!!!
It has a significant meaning that doesn't involve the little piss ant sized brain that operates within you.
Mounted Trooper | 12.24.07 - 2:20 pm | #

WTF is "we see life in a much different focus", and who is 'we'?

Does that mean you have scales on your eyes?

Michelle | 12.24.07 - 2:16 pm | #

It means that some of us who were in nam didn't get into drugs. Others did and many of the users ended up here in houndland.
They wave the veteran banner so proudly, but I would love to sit and get those personal stories that they won't even tell their loved ones.
Mounted Trooper | 12.24.07 - 2:23 pm | #

Thanks for proving my point.

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Michelle | 12.24.07 - 2:24 pm | #

Mounted Trooper | 12.24.07 - 2:23 pm | #

More projection from the make believe soldier.
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 2:24 pm | #

FOX NEWS AND THE RIGHT WING LOONS WHO POST ON MY POST BETTER ENJOY THEIR SUCCESS WHILE THEY CAN BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT TO BLOW UP IN THEIR FACES.

Here is a report out of IRAQ today that indicates time is running out for the U.S. forces in IRAQ.

Shiite leaders oppose expansion of U.S.-backed citizens groups
By Leila Fadel | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 email | print tool nameclose
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BAGHDAD — The leader of Iraq's most powerful Shiite Muslim political party warned Friday that the security organizations that American officials credit with helping to cut violence in Iraq must be brought under control.

Abdulaziz al Hakim, the head of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq, became the latest Iraqi leader to raise concerns that the U.S.-financed groups, which are predominantly Sunni Muslim and known as awakening councils or "concerned local citizens," could become a potent army capable of challenging the U.S.-backed Shiite-dominated central government.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 2:27 pm | #

TO JACK MCLAFFERTY: Two things. (1) Don't EVER post anything on here from TOWNHALL without identifying them as a right wing BS operation. Everyone of us in the news business knows all about TOWNHALL.

(2). What do you make of these things happening TODAY (Christmas Eve) in IRAQ and reported by Reuters, a real news organziation and not a right wing crapola site like TOWNHALL;

http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB....4H? OpenDocument
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 2:32 pm | #

"You type a good line of bullshit, the problem is that many others have been in wars. Some of us were in the same war as you and we see life in a much different focus. Clear and unobstructed by drugs!!!"
Mounted Trooper | 12.24.07 - 2:10 pm #

BUT YOU ARE PROBABLY OBSTRUCTED BY THE LURE OF BIG $$$$--especially if, back then, you or your relatives owned stock in these or other well-connected companies:

Lockheed Martin
Honeywell
General Electric
Boeing
General Dynamics
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 2:34 pm | #

Some of us were in the same war as you and we see life in a much different focus. Clear and unobstructed by drugs!!!
Mounted Trooper | 12.24.07 - 2:10 pm | #

what kind of war vets denigrates other war vets based on politics?

ONLY rw/neocons

3rd SPS, Bien Hoa, III Corps....flightline, perimeter and convoy security, 69-70

let's see your mos, dos, units, locations in a war zone, since you claim it buddy
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:34 pm | #

ALL IS CALM, ALL IS BRIGHT IN BAGHDAD IF YOU BELIEVE FOX NEWS, BUT THEN IF YOU DON'T.....

Explosion hits checkpoint in Baghdad

www.chinaview.cn 2007-12-24 15:00:57 Print

Special report: Tension escalates in Iraq

BAGHDAD, Dec. 24 (Xinhua) -- An explosion hit a checkpoint in Baghdad on Monday morning as a Xinhua reporter witnessed that a suspected suicide car bombing struck a checkpoint at about 9:50 a.m.(GMT 0650) in central Baghdad.The casualties were unclear at this moment.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 2:35 pm | #

HI MICHELLE: Thanks for setting the trolls straight on how GIs speakout abut the war.

William Jefferson | 12.24.07 - 12:48 pm | #
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That statement is crap. Many soldiers have spoken out about the mess in Iraq. For years.

The War as We Saw It

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/1...r=1& oref=slogin

Atrocities in Iraq: 'I killed innocent people for our government'

http://dwb.sacbee.com/content/op...- 10241546c.html

Breaking Ranks

http://www.motherjones.com/news/.../11/ 10_400.html

Iraq Soldiers Speak Out Supporting Murtha...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...- s_n_13819.html
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The last one is interesting because it details quotes from soldiers that Fox failed to include in their report of the event.

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Michelle | 12.24.07 - 1:14 pm | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 2:41 pm | #

Mr. Corcoran- Usual congratulations and I know you're aware that the doings in the mess-o-potamia are only part of the story, there's the PTSD rate and the heavy suicide rate and stories like this:http://tinyurl.com/36mn9u.
All our wingnut troop lovers seem to be their usual blissfully unaware that this latest imperialist military misadventure is destroying our military.Not only do they have trouble meeting their enlistment quotas but their retention rates for senior noncoms and young officers is in the toilet.
donquijotesrocket | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:46 pm | #

Guys I would ask that for this joyous occasion which we call Christmas that you anti-military folks can come together for at least one day. What do you say?
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 2:16 pm | #

as your name suggests, we are LAUGHING AT YOU
buddy

we aren't anti military

we are anti neocon

you know,

the cabal that creates unnecessary occupations that INCREASE terrorism against Americans, and USE our veterans as PAWNS in their political games to gain war PROFITS
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:46 pm | #

ol trooper/timmy

cannot post his war creds

he can only post DENIGRATIONS of REAL WAR VETERANS who are attempting to speak the TRUTH about this unnecessary loss of our veterans

what an ass
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:47 pm | #

Some of us were in the same war as you and we see life in a much different focus. Clear and unobstructed by drugs!!!
Mounted Trooper | 12.24.07 - 2:10 pm | #

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Ah.....so because YOU swallowed the neocon juice WE must be on drugs eh???? It isnt MY head that has been clouded with neocon bullshit.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 2:48 pm | #

IT'S A REAL MIRAGE OF IMPROVEMENTS IN IRAQ. Read the real truth about the "surge"

http://tinyurl.com/2rfplj
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 2:48 pm | #

"we see life in a much different focus"

Does that include supporting a war against an enemy that did not attack us, while taking focus away from the enemy that did attack us?

Is that the different focus you seem so proud of?
No Nonsense | 12.24.07 - 2:50 pm | #

hoode/BILL

methinks ol timmyboy took some new screenames so as to avoid having to ante up the pics of himself "in the shit" as he so claimed

hope you two have a great holiday season, despite the sadness of our vets being misused and abused by the rw war profiteer chickenhawks
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:51 pm | #

we aren't anti military

we are anti neocon

you know,

the cabal that creates unnecessary occupations that INCREASE terrorism against Americans, and USE our veterans as PAWNS in their political games to gain war PROFITS
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:46 pm | #

Maybe not everyone on this site, but you certainly are. Just look at your rants!
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 2:52 pm | #

It means that some of us who were in nam didn't get into drugs. Others did and many of the users ended up here in houndland.
They wave the veteran banner so proudly, but I would love to sit and get those personal stories that they won't even tell their loved ones.
Mounted Trooper | 12.24.07 - 2:23 pm | #
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Hounds land. uh huh
who's sock puppet are you are you today???

I never did a day of dugs in nam. And most people dont tell their family everything they did in Nam.........neither did most people from other wars.
Why would you tell your family the ugly shit???

Your rambling has no meaning.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 2:52 pm | #

Jack

So, in your mind, ranting against the cabal of WAR PROFITEERS, like hallichainy, who has increased his wealth by over $100 million thru his own no bid contracts to his own war profiteer company

is denigrating our troops?

how so indoctrinated one?
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:55 pm | #

TJ and Laffery sre some stupid kids blowing smoke out of their ass woke. dont even grace them with a response.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 2:56 pm | #

how the hell does anyone EQUATE our troops

with a drunken frat boy who could not complete his own TANG service

or

an asswipe who took 5 deferments, saying he had more important things to do

???

do tell
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:56 pm | #

Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 2:52 pm | #

Tim??? is that you Tim???

loser
hoode | 12.24.07 - 2:57 pm | #

hoode

more like

PAID POLITICAL PROSTITUTES

perhaps "MOUNTED" trooper does have a special meaning.....

i'm sure it would to Larry Craig, or Mark Foley, or Jeffy Gannon

?
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:58 pm | #

methinks ol timmyboy took some new screenames so as to avoid having to ante up the pics of himself "in the shit" as he so claimed
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my thoughts exactly
hoode | 12.24.07 - 2:58 pm | #

Even some Democrats are changing their mind on Iraq:

“I feel we’ve made progress, and the other part is I feel we can see an end game in sight,” Donnelly, D-Ind., told reporters on a conference call Tuesday from Washington. “It isn’t we just keep plugging away in the hopes something will turn out right. Gen. (David) Petraeus is working a plan and we seem to be heading toward a place where the Iraqis can be self-sustaining and we’ll have a smaller presence in the background.”

http://www.kxmc.com/ getArticle.a...rticleId=191424
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 2:58 pm | #

"Guys I would ask that for this joyous occasion which we call Christmas that you anti-military folks can come together for at least one day. What do you say?"
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 2:16 pm | #

SURE, PUNK--just as soon as your hero Dick Cheney chews out his pals at Halliburton for their excessive war profiteering! ;-)
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 2:59 pm | #

Gen. (David) Petraeus is working a plan
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 2:58 pm | #

uhhuh, it's called PNAC

but what about this?

was he writing bullshit when he wrote this into the military manual on counterinsurgency?

Petraeus has a great reputation. US News & World Report said he is "one of the most fascinating people in the United States Army. With a Ph.D. from Princeton University, he is often referred to as the military's warrior-scholar." That's pretty much how everyone talks about him.
After he was sent back to the States from Iraq, he updated the U.S. Army's counterinsurgency manual. It's a public document.
It is well-written. Both the prose and the thinking are clear. It ranges widely through time and cites a variety of sources, including Mao and Clausewitz. It's thoughtful and fairly objective. It is the perfect yardstick to evaluate what is going on Iraq and -- by using Gen. Petraeus' own standards, the U.S. military's official standard -- figure how well we can expect what we're doing to work.
Fog Fact: The counterinsurgency manual recommends a force ratio of between 20 and 25 troops per 1,000 in the population.
The math is very simple. The current estimated population of Iraq is 27,500,000.
The proper size of a counterinsurgency force is therefore a minimum of 550,000, more comfortable at 687,500.
Right now, at the peak of the surge, there are about 169,000 coalition troops (92 percent U.S.) in Iraq. That's 381,000 short of the minimum. Or 506,000 short of the more ideal ratio.
Let us emphasize that this is from a public document. It is official army doctrine. It's available on the Net. Why haven't we seen these numbers on CNN or in the New York Times? Why has no one asked Petraeus about the discrepancy between his own theory and the reality?

Petraeus: A Failure by His Own Standards
By Larry Beinhart, AlterNet. Posted September 21, 2007.
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:03 pm | #

That's right.
The surge will be working everyday for the next 50 years.
General Escape Goat | 12.24.07 - 3:04 pm | #

from the same article

Our basic Iraq policy has been and continues to be: "We'll stand down when they stand up." That is, when Iraq has an army and a police force that functions and can maintain order on its own.

The American occupation, run by Paul Bremer III under the aegis of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) disbanded the Iraqi army and, through de-Baathification, took apart the police.

As a result, there was no security at the same time that several hundred thousand armed men of military age, with no jobs, were unleashed on the country. Chaos ensued. The occupation, though legally and ethically required to maintain order, and the only people around able to do so, decided not to. It was then that the insurgents arose, forming militias and gangs, to step into the vacuum.

The occupation set out to rebuild the Iraqi Army and Police. So they could stand up and we could stand down.
The man who was given the job was that rising star, Gen. David Petraeus.

He failed.

The Iraqi Army cannot resist the insurgency. The Iraqi police cannot keep order. Indeed, it's far worse than that. Both forces are infiltrated. Some divisions are actually filled with militia members, insurgents and gangsters, dressed up in uniforms. With access to intelligence, arms and equipment. They have engaged in murder, torture and intimidation.
How can we expect the man who failed at doing just part of the job -- training those forces -- to succeed now that he has the whole job?
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:05 pm | #

WOW one whole Democrat!!!

Think again:

War uneasiness could loosen GOP's hold on military votes

Look anywhere in Killeen, home to the sprawling Fort Hood army base, and there are patriotic signs like the giant banner that greets shoppers entering the local Wal-Mart: "Fort Hood Texas, Home of America's Hammer!"

But beneath the bravado and bluster you find a more volatile mix of emotions – frustration, anxiety and anger – among military families after five years of war in Iraq.

As the presidential primaries get under way, disenchantment with the war here and elsewhere is having repercussions: A bloc of voters that has traditionally supported the Republican Party appears to be up for grabs.

http://www.dallasnews.com/ shared...te.291a971.html
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 3:07 pm | #

BILL C's threads go 1000 posts thanks to the lying, vet denigrating neocon chickenhawk trolleyboys who post insults and namecalling with NO FACTS on them....

it is very important for them to somehow divert and distract from FACTS about this failed neocon political ideology

they hope somehow, someway that keeping our troops in harm's way in a no win senario longer will justify those already kia/wia

it ain't never gonna happen
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:08 pm | #

"Even some Democrats are changing their mind on Iraq:"

What does Democrat or Republican have to do with it? Our invasion and occupation of Iraq was one of the worst foreign policy mistakes in our history.

And - it has NOTHING to do with political party.

Only dimwits support the war or oppose it based on party politics.
No Nonsense | 12.24.07 - 3:10 pm | #

Bill, thanks as usual for another great post.

I KNEW as soon as I saw the number of comments {980+, and counting} that the trolls were going to infect it . . . man, it seems like there's nothing like telling the truth you WON'T hear on Faux sNooze to get the trolls and their sockpuppets all stirred up.

And something I've noticed: whether its the usual idiots {Deepwoods, Truthiness, Vince Pee, etc.} or their newest made-up sockpuppets {America Proven Liar, etc.} their comments inevitably fall back on one of two themes - either the threat to injure/kill all liberals "for the good of the country", or the reiteration of Faux sNooze's ratings, and how that legitimizes them as a news source.

Odd how so many military heroes can be so brave behind a keyboard. And even odder how people who customarily reject proven facts are so impressed by numbers.

Anyway . . . Happy holiday season to you, Bill, and the rest of the Hounds.
mj | 12.24.07 - 3:13 pm | #

some more fact

1. "When they stand up, we'll stand down" equals VIETNAMIZATION

didn't work in 16 bloody years in Vietnam

2. We are fighting them there, so we don't have to fight them here" equals THE DOMINO THEORY during the VN war.....

are we speaking vietnamese? chinese? russian?

3. The SURGE was called ESCALATION during VN

From 1957 (first US death) thru 1965....there were less than 3000 US troops kia

After escalation, over 6000 died in 1966 ALONE
1967=11,000+KIA
1968=16,500+KIA
1969=11,600+KIA
1970=6,000+KIA_

and, after troops began being removed
1971=2350KIA
1972 thru 1975=less than 1000KIA
http://thewall-usa.com/summary.asp

ESCALATION ONLY made it worse in Vietnam.....where we won all the battles and lost the war...

A guerilla insurgency cannot be defeated by a conventional army/police action……

There are no military solutions, only political solutions and neocons do not believe in diplomacy…..they believe in perpetual WAR

51k of the 58k US troops kia in vietnam occurred during the SURGE/ESCALATION in only 6 years of the 16

got any more insults trolleyboys?

refute those FACTS
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:13 pm | #

FACT

MORE US troops were kia during the first 3 years of Iraqnam, than in the first 8 years of Vietnam

any refutals from those who support this occupation??
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:16 pm | #

That's right.
The surge will be working everyday for the next 50 years.
General Escape Goat | 12.24.07 - 3:04 pm | #
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Hey...the chickenhawks dont care. They will be sitting back home here all comfy cheering on the team just like they do their football teams.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 3:17 pm | #

THE LONG AWAITED FOX NEWS CHRISTMAS VIDEO IS OUT. DON'T MISS IT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y...3lJec7_QbQ& NR=1
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 3:23 pm | #

"Hey...the chickenhawks dont care. They will be sitting back home here all comfy cheering on the team just like they do their football teams."
hoode | 12.24.07 - 3:17 pm | #

And their concept of a draft is probably sitting their big butts in their easy chairs which are located near the slightly open windows in their houses.
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 3:26 pm | #

THANKS DON.....ROCKET for this"

Mr. Corcoran- Usual congratulations and I know you're aware that the doings in the mess-o-potamia are only part of the story, there's the PTSD rate and the heavy suicide rate and stories like this:http://tinyurl.com/36mn9u.
All our wingnut troop lovers seem to be their usual blissfully unaware that this latest imperialist military misadventure is destroying our military.Not only do they have trouble meeting their enlistment quotas but their retention rates for senior noncoms and young officers is in the toilet.
donquijotesrocket | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 2:46 pm | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 3:29 pm | #

"Hey...the chickenhawks dont care. They will be sitting back home here all comfy cheering on the team just like they do their football teams."

And whatever you do, don't ask them to actually PAY for the war. You know, make some sacrifices themselves?

You ask that, and they'll cry and stamp their feet!
No Nonsense | 12.24.07 - 3:30 pm | #

THANKS MJ AND MY 'OL BUDDY WOKE:

Bill, thanks as usual for another great post.

I KNEW as soon as I saw the number of comments {980+, and counting} that the trolls were going to infect it . . . man, it seems like there's nothing like telling the truth you WON'T hear on Faux sNooze to get the trolls and their sockpuppets all stirred up.

And something I've noticed: whether its the usual idiots {Deepwoods, Truthiness, Vince Pee, etc.} or their newest made-up sockpuppets {America Proven Liar, etc.} their comments inevitably fall back on one of two themes - either the threat to injure/kill all liberals "for the good of the country", or the reiteration of Faux sNooze's ratings, and how that legitimizes them as a news source.

Odd how so many military heroes can be so brave behind a keyboard. And even odder how people who customarily reject proven facts are so impressed by numbers.

Anyway . . . Happy holiday season to you, Bill, and the rest of the Hounds.
mj | 12.24.07 - 3:13 pm | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 3:30 pm | #

THANKS WOKE AND HOODE for making this happen:

BILL C's threads go 1000 posts thanks to the lying, vet denigrating neocon chickenhawk trolleyboys who post insults and namecalling with NO FACTS on them....

it is very important for them to somehow divert and distract from FACTS about this failed neocon political ideology

they hope somehow, someway that keeping our troops in harm's way in a no win senario longer will justify those already kia/wia

it ain't never gonna happen
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:08 pm | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 3:32 pm | #

Uh huh notvery.

"You willo NOT raise my taxes to pay for the TRILLIONS owed for that war. I have bigscreen TVs and boats to buy. NO TAXES FOR WAR.' Leave my profits and stock options alone!!

Too bad they dont bring back the draft. You would hear a totally different story from these gung ho fighters.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 3:33 pm | #

Hoode, I've been saying the samne thing for months. Even had a couple of editorials run in big city newspapers calling for a draft.

Too bad they dont bring back the draft. You would hear a totally different story from these gung ho fighters.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 3:33 pm | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 3:35 pm | #

Hey...the chickenhawks dont care. They will be sitting back home here all comfy cheering on the team just like they do their football teams.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 3:17 pm | #

Yes we support our troops if that's what you mean. At least we don't root against them like most of the far lefties on this site.
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 3:35 pm | #

FrankC | 12.24.07 - 3:07 pm | #

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good work FRankC
hoode | 12.24.07 - 3:36 pm | #

This is the problem with a single multi-sockpuppet troll infestation.

When one goes, they all go. When one comes back to post his crap, they all come back to post the exact same crap.

;>))
Anonymous | 12.24.07 - 3:37 pm | #

in JACKSHIT's mind

telling the TRUTH about his beloved lil aWol and the neocon war PROFITEERS

is not rooting for the troops

how is keeping them in a no win senario indefinitely rooting for them?

rooting for them to die or become maimed for life perhaps??

do tell
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:38 pm | #

JACK MCLAFFERTY: I suggest you enroll in a reading comprehension class. Nobody is rooting against the troops. It is FOX NEWS who roots against the troops by not telling the truth of what is happening in Iraq. That is whole point of my writing for News Hounds is to expose FOX NEWS as the most anti-military news organization in the history of America.

BILL CORCORAN, speaking TRUTH to power.

Yes we support our troops if that's what you mean. At least we don't root against them like most of the far lefties on this site.
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 3:35 pm | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 3:39 pm | #

Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 3:35 pm | #

Show me ONE PERSON here who is rooting against the troops!

Put up or shut up!

To you, supporting the troops means putting them in harms way by supporting an endless war against an enemy that did not attack us.

Face it, you don't have a clue what it means to support the troops.

Not a clue.
No Nonsense | 12.24.07 - 3:39 pm | #

;>))
Anonymous | 12.24.07 - 3:37 pm
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That was me but my messing up was all Clinton's fault. DUH.
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:41 pm | #

BILL

I support reinstating the DRAFT, with these codicils

1. NO DEFERMENTS except for physical/mental disability

2. Choice of domestic service (like habitat for humanity), foreign service (like peace corps) or military service.

It would be interesting to see how many repug kids join the military after listening to their rw parents claptrap....

I do believe this kind of draft would be a good thing for the kids, the country and the world
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:41 pm | #

Yes we support our troops if that's what you mean. At least we don't root against them like most of the far lefties on this site.
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 3:35 pm | #

Bringing them home to families that NEED them instead of fighting for Exxons profits and PNAC IS supporting them. They already won the war. Now we are just carpet-bagging and keeping troops there until the Iraqi government is forced into signing the oil privatization bill. They dont want to...but Bush will give them no other options. I am sure they will find someone to bribe sooner or later. they have in every other country with oil.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 3:42 pm | #

Yes we support our troops if that's what you mean. At least we don't root against them like most of the far lefties on this site.
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 3:35 pm | #

You're calling us "far lefties"? LISTEN UP, YOU BROWNSHIRT NAZI--at least we don't look down on them and view them as EXPENDABLE CANNON FODDER like you probably do. Remember this: WHEN THE RICH PEOPLE MAKE WAR, IT'S THE POOR PEOPLE THAT DIE!
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 3:43 pm | #

Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 3:35 pm | #

Show me ONE PERSON here who is rooting against the troops!

Put up or shut up!

No Nonsense | 12.24.07 - 3:39 pm | #

Nah, you misunderstood poor ole Jack, I'm here to set the record straight, he thinks we're rooting against the troops because that's what Rush told him to think.
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 3:44 pm | #

You're calling us "far lefties"? LISTEN UP, YOU BROWNSHIRT NAZI--at least we don't look down on them and view them as EXPENDABLE CANNON FODDER like you probably do. Remember this: WHEN THE RICH PEOPLE MAKE WAR, IT'S THE POOR PEOPLE THAT DIE!
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 3:43 pm | #

LOL. Now that's an educated response. It didnt take long before the N word came out did it?
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 3:47 pm | #

Remember this: WHEN THE RICH PEOPLE MAKE WAR, IT'S THE POOR PEOPLE THAT DIE!
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 3:43 pm | #
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there is no truer statement about war. No matter which countries are at war. Some rich die too of course. But the percentages arent terribly high.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 3:47 pm | #

I do believe this kind of draft would be a good thing for the kids, the country and the world
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:41 pm | #

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Bush will never do that. The neocons learned from Nam very well. keep the number of families involved in this very low. Dont tax them dont draft them. The less they are involved the longer we can string this out.

But the idea certainly has MY vote.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 3:49 pm | #

It didnt take long before the N word came out did it?
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 3:47 pm | #

If the foo (L) shits, you'll have to wear it JACK

Who says I am not under the special protection of God?
Adolf Hitler

. "I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." —to a group of Amish he met with privately, July 9, 2004
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:49 pm | #

Must wonder what the trooper is mounted on- Neal Horsley's girlfriend perhaps or maybe the trooper is Mr. Horsley's girlfriend, one end of it anyway.As is to be expected this thread turned into a trove of troll trash.
donquijotesrocket | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:49 pm | #

LOL. Now that's an educated response. It didnt take long before the N word came out did it?
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 3:47 pm | #

Well EXCUUUUUUUUSE ME, Jack--there is SIMPLY NO OTHER WAY TO PUT THIS--if you walk like a Nazi, talk like a Nazi, and act like a Nazi...
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 3:50 pm | #

Now that's an educated response. It didnt take long before the N word came out did it?
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 3:47 pm | #

As educated as calling everyone on this site far lefties. Hello Pot, meet the Kettle.
FrankC | 12.24.07 - 3:50 pm | #

Strength lies not in defence but in attack.
Adolf Hitler

"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace." —Washington, D.C. June 18, 2002

JACK

Ya been posting for a couple hours now, but not ONE REFUTAL of any facts we've presented...just bs and insults

got anything at all or are you just another RW

PAID POLITICAL PROSTITUTE??
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:51 pm | #

CUT AND RUN JACK

too funny boy, here's a lump of coal for your neocon stocking

The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.
Adolf Hitler

“We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories … And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." —Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:53 pm | #

WHEN THE RICH PEOPLE MAKE WAR, IT'S THE POOR PEOPLE THAT DIE!
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 3:43 pm | #
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rich people die in war - maybe not in the same numbers - but thyen there are less rich people than poor people in the world

i dont believe war is the purvey of just one caste in society - but i do think the bush administration has sadly not spread the cost of war more equally upon us all
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:54 pm | #

they're wrong, we found them." —Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:53 pm | #
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who said that woke?

it sounds like the banterings of the beltway boys lol
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:57 pm | #

Thanks for making my point :)

Merry Xmas and all a good night!
Jack McLafferty | 12.24.07 - 3:52 pm | #

So--you ACTUALLY ARE ADMITTING that you're a Nazi?
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 3:57 pm | #

"...but i do think the bush administration has sadly not spread the cost of war more equally upon us all"
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:54 pm | #

THAT IS THE UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR, Ana--and possibly this decade.
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 4:00 pm | #

hokey smokes - a good report on iran on fox - http://www.foxnews.com/story/ 0,2...318198,00.html#
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:00 pm | #

http://projects.washingtonpost.c...ost.com/fallen/

sorry ana, look at their faces

do you really believe ANY of them are RICH monetarily?

especially compared to the war profiteers who created this unnecessary war for their own giant PROFITS?

that being said

season's greetings to ya
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:01 pm | #

So--you ACTUALLY ARE ADMITTING that you're a Nazi?
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 3:57 pm | #

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HahhahAHAAHAHAHAH

Naw but he IS admitting he got his ass handed to him because he couldn't refute a anything said. All he had was cheerleading bullshit and no subtacne to back things up.
hoode | 12.24.07 - 4:01 pm | #

THAT IS THE UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR, Ana--and possibly this decade.
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 4:00 pm | #
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i think possibly your making more of an issue out of this than it really is - and i dont think you mean to be - but dismissing a soldier as not valid because they are from a rich family is hardly their fault -

i just think that rather than point out a caste system in the army - we could inspire the whole nation to a better world
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:02 pm | #

who said that woke?

it sounds like the banterings of the beltway boys lol
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 3:57 pm | #

same guy that said this "joke"

"Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!" —President George W. Bush, joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio & TV Correspondents' Association dinner, Washington, D.C., March 24, 2004

the slideshow depicted lil w looking under his desk and behind curtains in his office…
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:02 pm | #

That poor sap Pat Tillman had the potential to be rich.... Does that count?
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:03 pm | #

lol i remember the joke lol

aha so it was bush
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:03 pm | #

That poor sap Pat Tillman had the potential to be rich.... Does that count?
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:03 pm | #
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i really struggled with the pat tillman issue - i couldnt figure out if was fighting for the right reasons or because he had a chance to go to war - many little boys ultimate fantasy - i have decided to give him the benefit of the doubt tho since the man did die in combat - even tho not by enemy fire
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:05 pm | #

hokey smokes - a good report on iran on fox - http://www.foxnews.com/story/ 0,2...318198,00.html#
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:00 pm | #

Hey Ana--have you been watching "Rocky and Bullwinkle" cartoons again? :-)
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 4:06 pm | #

something else for you to read ana, from one of the few media outlets who have and continue to tell the truth about iraqnam

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/s...tory/ 23174.html
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:08 pm | #

Hey Ana--have you been watching "Rocky and Bullwinkle" cartoons again? :-)
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 4:06 pm | #

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just surprised to see fox actually report a positive iran story - they could have not reported it at all
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:10 pm | #

"i just think that rather than point out a caste system in the army - we could inspire the whole nation to a better world"
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:02 pm | #

Yes, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE with you on that point, ana. I believe we as a nation have forgotten the truth inherent in this statement from John F. Kennedy's inaugural address on January 20, 1961: "If a free society cannot help its poor, it cannot save the few who are very rich".
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 4:11 pm | #

another site that tells TRUTH about iraqnam

http://icasualties.org/oif/
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:11 pm | #

i have decided to give him the benefit of the doubt tho since the man did die in combat - even tho not by enemy fire
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:05 pm
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Give it anything you want to give it. I couldn't care less if I really really tried.

All I know is 3 in the forehead, all within a 2 inch circle, is an impossible accident. Ever wonder why exactly how Tillman died is a matter of National Security that Bush must withhold from Tillman's own family?
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:12 pm | #

im reading the national guard storyyou posted woke

i look at it this way - we started this war in iraq and destroyed that country isnt it inherent upon us to sacrifice ouselves to put it right?
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:14 pm | #

All I know is 3 in the forehead, all within a 2 inch circle, is an impossible accident. Ever wonder why exactly how Tillman died is a matter of National Security that Bush must withhold from Tillman's own family?
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:12 pm | #
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well id like to believe we didnt kill him on purpose - although the cover up of his death is deeply troubling
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:15 pm | #

ana

do you believe being OCCUPIED by a foreign army of people totally unlike yourself is going to "put it right"??

if so, you are deluded imho

how long would you resist OCCUPATION??
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:17 pm | #

how long would you resist OCCUPATION??
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:17 pm | #
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oh i think the iraqi's have a right to fight against occupation - which is why i would do this - - i would put bush on trial for the war - and issue a national apology to the iraqi people for the war which was inherently immoral to start - then i would offer to help keep the iraqi's safe and offer our militarya nd the full power and service of the united states to put it right again

i thnk thats the honorable thing to do

we wont do that of course we dont have honor that runs that deeply in this country - the surge is the best im going to get to help the iraqi people - ill take it
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:20 pm | #

As i stated earlier, during vietnam, the war profiteers continued to exclaim that if we left, we would be fighting "them" here....called the DOMINO THEORY

they also exclaimed that many VN would die and the country would decend into chaos if we withdrew

well, a million did die....but that ignores the FACT that 13 MILLION died during OCCUPATION

who says that million wouldn't have died had we stayed?

WHY do YOU think the people (neocons) who screwed the pooch by occupying a country that did not attack us, could possibly "put it right"?

Tell me ONE thing they have done or said that wasn't a LIE that you base your opinion on....???
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:21 pm | #

Tell me ONE thing they have done or said that wasn't a LIE that you base your opinion on....???
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:21 pm | #

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i believe the majority of the soldiers will do their best by the iraqi people - the administration is a different story
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:22 pm | #

i would put bush on trial for the war - and issue a national apology to the iraqi people for the war which was inherently immoral to start - then i would offer to help keep the iraqi's safe and offer our militarya nd the full power and service of the united states to put it right again

ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:20 pm | #

1. TOTALLY agree with you....lil aWol, hallichainy, rummy et al....on trial

2. However, the iraqis have spoken. Sunnis, Shias and Kurds alike want us OUT NOW.

3. All the king's horses, and all the king's men, can't put this right imho...only the iraqis can do that now
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:24 pm | #

2. However, the iraqis have spoken. Sunnis, Shias and Kurds alike want us OUT NOW.

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i fear for them
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:25 pm | #

i believe the majority of the soldiers will do their best by the iraqi people - the administration is a different story
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:22 pm | #

Again, we agree in part

what you don't seem to grasp is, our military cannot win the hearts and minds of the people they have occupied/killed/maimed by accident or intentionally

would you cooperate with your occupier?
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:26 pm | #

well id like to believe we didnt kill him on purpose - although the cover up of his death is deeply troubling
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:15 pm
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And I'd like to BELIEVE that there is a God and I'd like to BELIEVE that we can "win" (whatever that means) in Iraq and all over the world and the universe. What does THAT have to do with anything?

Pat Tillman was obviously murdered by his own countrymen in cold blood and the bullet grouping shows he was probably asleep at the time he was killed. That's what the the evidence suggests.

That fact that Bush is sitting on information about a soldiers death and keeping it from his own family is not "troubling". It shows Bush is hiding something and he would not be hiding something if there was nothing to hide.

If we did not have a rabidly anti-Bush liberal media, this story would not have been killed as soon as it saw the light of day, eh?
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:27 pm | #

what you don't seem to grasp is, our military cannot win the hearts and minds of the people they have occupied/killed/maimed by accident or intentionally

would you cooperate with your occupier?
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:26 pm | #
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that i feel is the failing of the american people and its government - the american people can go around their government and make it clear to the iraqi people we mean them no harm - we have as yet to do so
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:28 pm | #

If we did not have a rabidly anti-Bush liberal media, this story would not have been killed as soon as it saw the light of day, eh?
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:27 pm | #
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lets hope the truth comes out
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:30 pm | #

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!

This story about what the British troops left behind in Basra contains a video of what has happened to Iraqi women in Basra. It is gruesome and barbaric and should be viewed with extreme caution:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/ S...2228690,00.html

BILL CORCORAN, still bringing the truth of Iraq to people who know FOX NEWS is BSing them.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 4:31 pm | #

sorry ana

you just seem to have no concept of an occupation/insurgency

i do. i lived in one for a year.

our military, which has imprisoned, tortured and then released uncharged a huge number of iraqi men and boys are NOT going to win the hearts and minds in iraq...

history proves it.

keeping them there hoping for a good resolution is not based on reality imho...

who are the enemy?

al queda?

93% of the insurgents captured or kia are IRAQIS...not foreign terrorists

time
you
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:31 pm | #

time
you
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:31 pm | #
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well actually i spent 15 years living in an occupation -

or is it that northern ireland doesnt constitute and occupation in your mind?

im very very sensitive to the reasons to fight against an oppressor -

which is why im very scared for the iraqi people

call me naive if you will - but my heart is in it for the right reasons
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:35 pm | #

as far as Tillman goes, the TRUTH has mostly come out....

He was killed by friendly fire, most likely because his opinion of invading/occupying iraqnam no longer matched that of his more indoctrinated brethern....and perhaps his death was mandated from above...who knows?

his brother says his letters home stated disenchantment with the "misson" in iraqnam vs his afghanistan experience

the coverup, which certainly goes ALL the way up , perhaps points to the rest of the truth

?
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:37 pm | #

ANA:

YOU SHOULD VIEW THIS VIDEO TAPE IF YOU FEAR FOR THE IRAQI PEOPLE.

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!

This story about what the British troops left behind in Basra contains a video of what has happened to Iraqi women in Basra. It is gruesome and barbaric and should be viewed with extreme caution:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/ S...2228690,00.html

BILL CORCORAN, still bringing the truth of Iraq to people who know FOX NEWS is BSing them.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 4:31 pm | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 4:38 pm | #

let me ask you this woke

how long do you think iraq would stand knowing that if we pulled out turkey would occupy northern iraq - and shia southern iraq would defer to iran?
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:38 pm | #

i would co-operate with whome ever could garunteee the security of my people and could stop a genocide
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:36 pm | #

sorry ana, you are deluded

no one can guarantee that

and since you admit you would cooperate with your occupier, in this case a military extension of the neocon cabal, that has imprisoned, tortured and killed hundreds of thousands.....

nuff said
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:40 pm | #

BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 4:38 pm | #
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bill im very aware of the plight of women in iraq and is something i think america should be very ashamed of

do you mind if i dont view the video - im not one that handles graphic stuff very well
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:40 pm | #

ana

newsflash for ya

iraq is a country created by the British

it is actually a land with 3 major religious sects....

they have been fighting each other for many years

the only peace they've known for any length of time was under a brutal dictator who was a puppet of the neocons

they removed their puppet when he threatened to dump huge quantities of oil on the market, driving prices DOWN

they opened pandora's box

please...try to understand that the false logic you are repeating, is the same bs the war profiteers used to continue VN for 16 years....at a cost of 13 MILLION VN

why do you think the us hasn't counted iraqi casualties?

do you really believe more will die if we leave than if we stay?

WHY?

history does not support your pov, imho
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:43 pm | #

nuff said
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:40 pm | #

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i would - look in ireland peace came about because they co-operated with the british - not in spite of it

if the british had left northern ireland there would have been a civil war ten times worse than anything you could have imagined - every one in ireland knows it - and thats why they put their guns down - otherwise they would have faught until kingdom comes

but they knew that to protect the irish people from what would be a certain genocide the negotiated

how ever you want to spin that - the truth is - co-operating with the british has brought 7 years of peace to ireland - and thats amazing - considering what it was like for me to grow up there

i value peace beyond anything you can imagine because i know quite personally what war can bring to your doorstep
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:44 pm | #

ana

since you seem to think our occupation makes it better for iraqis, perhaps you should view it

??
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:45 pm | #

lets hope the truth comes out
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:30 pm
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The truth is already out and visible to those who want to see. For those who want to BELIEVE, and to FEEL, the truth will never be out - even when it is.

The truth, as someone once said, has a distinct lunatic Left-wing bias and must never be trusted. Only FAITH is real and the true Center.

We have good news, though. Bush plans a massive PR offensive next year and is going to go on multi-state visits. Winning hearts and minds of the people whose lives we have destroyed, whose children we have killed, is just a Bush speech away.
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:45 pm | #

woke please dont hate me because of this -
im only speaking because i had a very direct experience with war and insurgency and grew up dodging bombs and soldiers with machine guns on every corner

i dont want to be accused of being a war profiteer because i believe we can do better by the iraqi people - i only know what was inherent in my life and how it changed - and you must understand how powerful a lesson for me that was
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:46 pm | #

ok ana

whatever you say

you're saying you lived in an occupied insurgency where hundreds of thousands were imprisoned, tortured, maimed and killed and have your opinions

you are entitled to them

we disagree
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:47 pm | #

we disagree
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:47 pm | #
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yes we do

maybe you can be proud of me for at least signing up and trying to go and stand for what i believe - unlike most people who are for the surge
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:48 pm | #

We have good news, though. Bush plans a massive PR offensive next year and is going to go on multi-state visits. Winning hearts and minds of the people whose lives we have destroyed, whose children we have killed, is just a Bush speech away.
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:45 pm | #

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its a start right - would you rather he didnt do it?
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:49 pm | #

ana

not saying you are a war profiteer

however, i feel you are deluded by your desire to avoid the truth

the "insurgency" in ireland is very different than that in vietnam or iraqnam in scope, in occupier, and in intensity....

sorry for your losses....

what i saw in 1 year in vietnam, and the resultant history after we left makes me know i'm right

and i want our troops home now

Honor the warriors, not the war
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:50 pm | #

ive gotta go and bake a pumpkin spice bread for my neighbours who invited me for jager and prime rib christmas dinner tomorrow so i can get it done before the fox report

hugs and happy christmas eve to you and abby

ill be back later
:)
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:51 pm | #

Honor the warriors, not the war
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:50 pm | #

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i have nothing but respect for the warriors - here is something that can bring us together
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:52 pm | #

Too bad I missed Ana. I wanted her to take a look at this video inasmuch as the one out of Basra that I posted earlier is too rough for her:

http://tinyurl.com/2tbsj4 or here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K...h? v=KniGn1824bs
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 4:55 pm | #

Ok, someone else's turn here, THANKS AGAIN BILL C, keep the faith and keep on truckin' and speaking truth to power

God Bless Us EVERYONE,
except the masters of war
Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

Copyright © 1963; renewed 1991 Special Rider Music
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:56 pm | #

Christmas hugs all around ;))) I hope you all have a wonderful night ;)))
hoode | 12.24.07 - 5:08 pm | #

Show me ONE PERSON here who is rooting against the troops!

Put up or shut up!

To you, supporting the troops means putting them in harms way by supporting an endless war against an enemy that did not attack us.

Face it, you don't have a clue what it means to support the troops.

Not a clue.
No Nonsense | 12.24.07 - 3:39 pm |
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Actually, Jack Laughable does have a clue: it means the right to put a little yellow magnetic sticker on his car.
mj | 12.24.07 - 5:23 pm | #

its a start right - would you rather he didnt do it?
ana coachella | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:49 pm
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You bet your life I rather he didn't. Namme one thing Bush has touched and the thing has improved for his having touched upon it.

Bush has a reverse-Midas touch - anything he touches, he turns into a huge pile of crap. Hasn't he done enough damage already?
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 5:53 pm | #

"Actually, Jack Laughable does have a clue: it means the right to put a little yellow magnetic sticker on his car."
mj | 12.24.07 - 5:23 pm | #

Which was probably made in China.
Rich S | 12.24.07 - 5:58 pm | #

Good job Bill as usual. Always a pleasure to read your posts.
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You bet your life I rather he didn't. Namme one thing Bush has touched and the thing has improved for his having touched upon it.
Abby | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 5:53 pm
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Couldn't agree more. Keeping the fox out of the hen house (no pun intended)----even under the auspices of a truce, or covering his own rear end----can only be a good thing. The damage has been done and there is nothing Bush can "say" at this point that will make anything better for the Iraqis or the American people. He gambled and he lost. He has long since lost all credibility at home and abroad. Unfortunately, any attempt at reconciliation or reparation will be the job of the next in line, someone who, hopefully, can survive the fallout. (I can already hear the RW'ers screaming, 2 days post-election, that the new Democratic Prez hasn't "fixed" what took Bush 8 years to break). The voters have a short memory.
jaymayandjoseph | 12.24.07 - 7:13 pm | #

EVERYONE AT FOX NEWS SHOULD BE FORCED TO WATCH THIS VIDEO/

BUSH AND LAURA AND THEIR TWIN DAUGHTERS SHOULD BE FORCED TO WATCH THIS VIDEO.

"The Faces of the Childre of Iraq"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P...h? v=PmkG3zmhS54

Bush created all of this and then FOX News covers it up by not reporting what Bush did to the children of Iraq.

BILL CORCORAN, author of the post and telling the truth about Fox News and Bush.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.24.07 - 7:31 pm | #

Christmas hugs all around ;))) I hope you all have a wonderful night ;)))
hoode | 12.24.07 - 5:08 pm | #

Same to you....and to all posting here at NHs (and T5%)back in America for the first time in over fours years....freezing my ass off........how about those Cowboys!
expatUSA_Arizona | 12.24.07 - 8:25 pm | #

ame to you....and to all posting here at NHs (and T5%)back in America for the first time in over fours years....freezing my ass off........how about those Cowboys!
expatUSA_Arizona | 12.24.07 - 8:25 pm | #

Hey there freezy cat HAHAHAAHAHAH

Welcome "home"? LOLOLOL

The cowboys are kicking some ass for sure,
hoode | 12.25.07 - 1:49 am | #

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL:

Here is the latest from Iraq and guess who is reporting it on their web site. Yep, FOX NEWS. Seems as though we may be embarrasing FOX NEWS to start covering the war as it should be covered instead of the sugar-coated reports they are know for.

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD

Homicide Truck Bomber Kills 22 in Iraqi Housing Complex
Tuesday, December 25, 2007

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BAGHDAD — A homicide bomber in a pickup truck detonated his explosives outside a residential complex in northern Iraq on Tuesday, killing 22 people and wounding 30, police and hospital officials said. At least three children were among the dead.

The explosion occurred as Iraqi police and members of a volunteer force prevented the bomber from entering the gate of the compound belonging to the state-run North Oil Company in Beiji, about 155 miles north of Baghdad, a police officer said.

Most of those killed were civilians, and at least three were children, the police officer said. The dead also included guards of the oil company and members of the volunteer force, he said. He added that some of the residential buildings were damaged in the blast.

An official at the main hospital in Beiji gave the same casualty figures. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release information to the media.

Authorities imposed a curfew on the city until further notice.

BILL CORCORAN, reporting on early Christmas morning.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.25.07 - 5:32 am | #

Bush's "surge" takes a holiday. Here's an account without the moronic Fox News term "homicide bomber."
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A suicide bomber exploded a pickup truck outside a residential complex belonging to a state-run oil company north of Baghdad on Tuesday, killing 22 people and wounding at least 50, local officials said.
In a separate attack northeast of the capital, four people were killed in a suicide bombing targeting a funeral procession for two members of an anti-al-Qaida organization, officials said.
Authorities imposed a curfew on the city — home to the country's largest refinery — until further notice. Maj. Gen. Abdul-Karim Khalaf, a spokesman for the Interior Ministry, said that Beiji's police chief had been fired.
Iraq's oil industry and those who work in it have come under repeated attack since the U.S.-led 2003 invasion, usually through bombings of key pipelines. Revenue from the oil industry is seen as key to funding Iraq's reconstruction and sparking economic recovery.
The U.S. military gave different casualty figures, saying in a statement that 20 people were killed and 80 wounded. The reason for the discrepancy was not immediately clear.
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Where the warmonger Bush and his puppet Pentagon are concerned, we've got any number of "discrepancies for which the reasons are not clear."
ProfessorDuh | 12.25.07 - 6:33 am | #

Matthew Hubbard - As the cost of the wars now grows officially to half a trillion dollars, and more honest accounting practices put the price possibly three times that amount, it is as good a time as any to look at what this massive amount of money has bought us.
Violence in Iraq is down. The credit is given to “The Surge”, which must end eventually because of troop levels and legal requirements of the lengths of tours of duty, but another major contributing factor is a technique that has worked well to keep American service people alive in Afghanistan. Namely, we pay off militias that used to kill Americans to kill someone else instead. These payoffs are often in the form of weapons. With the remarkable danger involved in being a journalist in Iraq and Afghanistan, these less than valiant decisions can be made far from the glare of publicity.
With all the good news from Iraq, and anything which keeps Iraq off the front page must be considered good news, the political situation is business as usual, with regional, ethnic and religious differences standing in the way of anything that looks like reconciliation.
ProfessorDuh | 12.25.07 - 7:06 am | #

Matthew Hubbard - The disgusting spectacle of the rapists and murderers working for Blackwater claiming that neither the Iraqi government nor the U.S. Military nor even U.S. law applies to them, and these claims being backed up by the corrupt American administration who pays them, is the just the visible symptom of the disease which now transforms the United States.
Extralegal private armies are not the only sign of a transformation of America, of course. Euphemisms like extraordinary rendition, illegal combatants, enhanced interrogation, retroactive immunity and non-lethal crowd control are also signs that we are more likely the ones to change from free citizens to subjects under surveillance, and the Middle East will continue much as it has for centuries. No Republican candidate is more resolute in continuing the path towards an openly fascist state than Rudy Giuliani. With the possible exception of maverick Ron Paul, no Republican will stand in the way of forces who want to continue this transformation. Only time will tell if the Democratic standard bearer will make a concerted effort to turn us back into a representative democracy, with that most important of our rights restored, the right to know what our government does when it spends our money.
ProfessorDuh | 12.25.07 - 7:13 am | #

Extralegal private armies are not the only sign of a transformation of America, of course. Euphemisms like extraordinary rendition, illegal combatants, enhanced interrogation, retroactive immunity and non-lethal crowd control are also signs that we are more likely the ones to change from free citizens to subjects under surveillance, and the Middle East will continue much as it has for centuries. No Republican candidate is more resolute in continuing the path towards an openly fascist state than Rudy Giuliani. With the possible exception of maverick Ron Paul, no Republican will stand in the way of forces who want to continue this transformation. Only time will tell if the Democratic standard bearer will make a concerted effort to turn us back into a representative democracy, with that most important of our rights restored, the right to know what our government does when it spends our money.
ProfessorDuh | 12.25.07 - 7:13 am | #

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at least there are a few good minds that can see through the tripe that is going on around us.

The funny thing is all these things came out of Nazi and KGB handbooks. THEY DONT EVEN BOTHER TO CHANGE THE WORDING FROM THOSE HANDBOOKS. Who knew people in our own country were studying them to aim at us.
hoode | 12.25.07 - 9:15 am | #

All I can say at the plethora of comments is that j¢ must be pissing in his pants, wishing he could get even 1% of the number of comments on Bill C's posts.
radmod | 12.25.07 - 11:56 am | #

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Many of the reporters are wondering the streets without body armor.

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 9:26 am | #
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JOURNALISTS DEATHS HIT DECADE PEAK

December 18, 2007 — Journalists were killed in unusually high numbers in 2007, making it the deadliest year for the press in more than a decade.

64 journalists were killed in direct connection to their work in 2007—up from 56 last year—and it is investigating another 22 deaths to determine whether they were work-related.

For the 5th straight year, Iraq was the deadliest country in the world for the press.

Most of the victims were targeted and murdered. Unidentified gunmen, suicide bombers, and U.S. military activity all posed fatal risks for Iraqi journalists.

“Working as a journalist in Iraq remains one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet.”

Since the beginning of the war in March 2003, 124 journalists and 49 media workers have been killed, making it the deadliest conflict for the press in recent history.

http://www.cpj.org/Briefings/200.../ killed_07.html

REPORTERS SAY BAGHDAD TOO DANGEROUS DESPITE SURGE

- Most Journalists Say Violence and the Threat of Violence have Increased During Their Tenures

- Nearly 90% of U.S. journalists in Iraq say much of Baghdad is still too dangerous to visit.

Most of them -- VETERAN WAR CORRESPONDENTS -- describe conditions in Iraq as the most perilous they have ever encountered.

The War Correspondents Cite the Most
UNDER-REPORTED SUBJECTS:

- The Plight of Iraqi Civilians

- Shi'ite-on-Shi'ite Violence in Southern Iraq

- General Events Occurring Outside of Baghdad

At least 122 journalists and 41 media support staff have been killed in Iraq since the U.S.- led invasion in 2003.

http://www.reuters.com/article/l...s/ idUSN27496676

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Paige PbD | Homepage | 12.25.07 - 6:34 pm | #

what you don't seem to grasp is, our military cannot win the hearts and minds of the people they have occupied/killed/maimed by accident or intentionally
would you cooperate with your occupier?
woke | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 4:26 pm

You can't occupy until you conquer. Once Japan was conquered, for instance, Occupied Japan lasted for several years. It will be nice if we can occupy Iraq for a few years, and then have some permanent military bases there just like in Germany, Japan, S. Korea, etc.
Bato | 12.25.07 - 7:05 pm | #

It will be nice if we can occupy Iraq for a few years, and then have some permanent military bases there just like in Germany, Japan, S. Korea, etc.
Bato | 12.25.07 - 7:05 pm
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Psssst.....

I could explain the differences between those countries and Iraq but you know what they say about casting pearls before swine.......

Suffice it to say, that beauty you're jerking off to, it's a plastic blowup doll. She's not real. Will never be real. Not even if you pray to that pro-life god of yours.

Eh?

heh heh
Abby | Homepage | 12.25.07 - 9:01 pm | #

Bato

Oh, wise guy eh?

Conquer Iraqnam? That is what it is now? Do you know HOW MANY troops the military counterinsurgency manuel says it would take to subdue an insurgency in a country the population of iraqnam?

You should. That hero general petraeus wrote it...

500k troops.

You ready to sign up Bato?
woke | Homepage | 12.25.07 - 9:40 pm | #

permanent bases?

oh, you mean to REPLACE the ones closed in SAUDI ARABIA,

ie....OBL got what he wanted......didn't he?
woke | Homepage | 12.25.07 - 9:41 pm | #

You should. That hero general petraeus wrote it...

500k troops.

You ready to sign up Bato?
woke | Homepage | 12.25.07 - 9:40 pm |
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500,000 troops . . . that's the same number that Bremer suggested to Rumsfeld in 2004. Rumsfeld told him no and that was that.

And remember when Shinseki said before congress in '03 that "several hundred thousand" troops would be needed in Iraq - and both Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz said he was "off the mark"?

Forget about Batty, woke . . . its just another chickenshit chickenhawk who loves to cheerlead for war behind its keyboard provided someone else is doing the fighting and dying . . .

"Conquering Iraq" . . . that must be the latest reason. First it was Saddam was behind 9/11 . . . then it was WMDs . . . then it was to free the Iraqi people . . . now its "conquering"; these wingnuts can't keep their reasons/stories straight from one week to the next . . .
mj | 12.26.07 - 1:01 am | #

I am testing to see if my post goes thru. There seems to have been some trouble earlier.
Sharin Bowers | 12.26.07 - 4:31 am | #

for the rw neocons, it's all just POLITICS

Snow: Situation In Iraq Was ‘Sour’ For Only ‘15 Months’
In a new interview with Reason magazine, former White House press secretary Tony Snow attempts to whitewash the failures of the Bush administration in Iraq, claiming that the only time the situation was “sour” was for 15 months, between Feb. 2006 and early 2007:

Reason: There’s a strong sense, borne out by action or the lack thereof, that the president is impervious to his critics. So for a long time, people had been telling him that the Iraq war wasn’t going well, but he was not listening.

Furthermore, it’s premature to declare victory in Iraq. Military commanders and other Iraq experts have warned that the “positive” momentum is “not yet irreversible” and Iraq is “going nowhere” in “political terms.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12...iraq-15-months/

let's so how right SNOW JOB has been in the past under a different potus

"You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo."-Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99

What a lying ass mf'n shillboy!
woke | Homepage | 12.26.07 - 9:27 am | #

HE'S BAAAAAAAAAAACK!

DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL is my motto:

I see where FOX News is making a big deal of Turkish planes bombing the Kurds, but not a word about any of the events listed below that took place on Wednesday in Iraq.

Here is just a small sample of violence in Iraq that involves U.S. military personnel.

Wednesday, December 26, 2007
War News for Wednesday, December 26, 2007

http://warnewstoday.blogspot.com/

Baghdad:
#1: a roadside bomb detonated near a U.S. patrol in the Bab al-Mua'dham area in central the capital on Wednesday, causing damages to one of the patrol's Humvees, the source said. It was unclear whether the U.S. army sustained any human casualty as the troops immediately cordoned off the area, preventing the Iraqi security forces from approaching the scene, he added.

another Iraqi police source told VOI that an improvised explosive device went off on Wednesday morning in central Baghdad's area of Bab al-Muatham, destroying a U.S. Hummer vehicle. No casualties have been reported on the U.S. forces' side.

#2: A number of mortar rockets landed on al-Bueithiya area in Baghdad's southern neighborhood of al-Doura," an informed source from the Iraqi Ministry of Interior told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq (VOI). The source did not reveal whether the attack caused any casualties, but eyewitnesses said that plumes of smoke were seen in the sky after the explosion.

#3: The Iraqi Ministry of Higher Education and Scientific Research said on Wednesday that its Department of Missions and Cultural Relations was robbed during the holiday of the Muslim festival of Eid al-Adha, or the Greater Bairam, dismissing news about an armed raid on the building.

Diyala Prv:
Baquba:
#1: "MND-North Soldiers killed two suspected extremists and detained four more in an intelligence-driven raid in Baquba," KUNA, the Kuwait News Agency, reported Wednesday.

#2: The decomposed bodies of 17 men have been found in Iraq's restive Diyala province northeast of Baghdad, the Iraqi army said on Wednesday. The bodies were found in a town near the provincial capital of Baquba, 65 km (40 miles) north of Baghdad, in the past two days. All had gunshot wounds in the head.

Madain:
#1: "Fierce clashes erupted between fighters from an Awaking Council Sunni group, who fight the al-Qaida network in Iraq, and gunmen suspected to be al-Qaida militants in the al-Madain town, 30 km southeast of Baghdad, wounding five people," the source told Xinhua on condition of anonymity.

Basra:
#1: Iraqi police discovered a spy plane hidden among a depot of heavy arms in the southern city of Basra. Police said the plane was discovered Tuesday alongside a large amount of heavy weapons, explosives, documents and videos.

Shurqat:
#1: A gunman believed to belong to al-Qaeda organization was killed during clashes with a police force trying to arrest him in the left coast's district of al-Shurqat," a security source from Tikrit police, who requested anonymity

Tuz Khurmato:
#1: a police patrol opened fire at a group of armed men while they were planting a roadside explosive device in Tikrit's northeastern district of Touz Khormato, killing one of them and forcing the others to flee," the same source indicated.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.26.07 - 12:13 pm | #

Furthermore, it’s premature to declare victory in Iraq. Military commanders and other Iraq experts have warned that the “positive” momentum is “not yet irreversible” and Iraq is “going nowhere” in “political terms.

woke | Homepage | 12.26.07 - 9:27 am |
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Maybe it was premature to declare victory - but that sure as hell didn't stop Bubble Boy from doing it:

"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. Today, in the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."
mj | 12.26.07 - 2:59 pm | #

Juan Cole —
Myth: Iraq has been "calm" in fall of 2007 and the Iraqi public, despite some grumbling, is not eager for the US to depart.

Fact: in the past 6 weeks, there have been an average of 600 attacks a month, or 20 a day, which has held steady since the beginning of November. About 600 civilians are being killed in direct political violence per month, but that number excludes deaths of soldiers and police. Across the board, Iraqis believe that their conflicts are mainly caused by the US military presence and they are eager for it to end.

Myth: The reduction in violence in Iraq is mostly because of the escalation in the number of US troops, or "surge."

Fact: Although violence has been reduced in Iraq, much of the reduction did not take place because of US troop activity. Guerrilla attacks in al-Anbar Province were reduced from 400 a week to 100 a week between July, 2006 and July, 2007. But there was no significant US troop escalation in al-Anbar. Likewise, attacks on British troops in Basra have declined precipitously since they were moved out to the airport away from population centers. But this change had nothing to do with US troops.
ProfessorDuh | 12.26.07 - 3:54 pm | #

Hi all

Bill / Cork is still having problems following up here and he has no idea why. He has tried everything...so now it is up to the News Hounds people to follow thru. Meanwhile, if any of you would like to stay in touch with Bill, you can send him your email address.

He is Cork Col@aol. It would be great if some of his followers wrote directly to him.

This is very frustrating. Interesting is that he can reply on other newshounds blogs...just not his own.

Fair Shar
Sharin Bowers | 12.26.07 - 5:00 pm | #

Paul Krugman —
Back in 2003 all the Kewl Kids, as a lot of my friends call them, thought that to suggest that Bush was misleading us into war was, you know, shrill — it marked you as not being a Serious Person.

And here’s the thing: they still do. Even now, it’s better for your reputation not to have noticed until, say, 2005 that we had some dangerous people running the country. If you noticed earlier — or, worse yet, you caught on to the administration’s essential mendacity right from the beginning — it’s not a sign that maybe you had good judgment. It shows that you were an irrational Bush hater.
----
I guess we're what tehy used to call "premature anti-fascists."
ProfessorDuh | 12.26.07 - 10:21 pm | #

After a week of not being able to post on my own site, I'm able to squeeze in this beautiful YouTube video called "Lament of Iraq." A fitting climax to the war and everything else....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J...y.blogspot.com/

BILL CORCORAN, just adding one more coimment to my post.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.28.07 - 8:32 am | #

computer or network glitch?
woke | Homepage | 12.28.07 - 11:39 am | #

Test.
Marie Therese | 12.28.07 - 5:25 pm | #

woke,

Bill's posting problems have occurred since he ourchased a new computer.

It caused various issues for him vis a vis the blog. At one point, he could not hear the sound on videos. We got that fixed.

Earlier, he was not able to view some of the YouTube videos which everyone else could view. It took a while but we finally got that straightened out.

Now it seems that he can only upload comments sporadically to his post. This is another glitch somewhere.

His ISP is not on the banned list so he should be able to post at will.

It could be Bill's pop-up blocker or maybe some kind of firewall built into the Vista operating system that needs tweaking.

I had trouble earlier in the week and couldn't get a test comment to go through. That was just after several hours when I couldn't access Haloscan at all. I kept getting the "internal server error" message.

As you can see, I just tried another "test" and this time it worked.

So there could be issues with Haloscan.

.
Marie Therese | 12.28.07 - 5:46 pm | #

After TEN HOURS of getting the "banned by webmaster" message, I once again can put a brief message on my last post for News Houds. The war in Iraq has been overshawdowed by Bhutto's death, but here is what happened today in Iraq.

12/28/07 MCT: Four bodies found in Baghdad on Thursday
Police found four bodies in Baghdad, one in New Baghdad, in Qahira, in Zafaraniyah and in Amil.

12/28/07 Reuters: Body found in Mosul
The body of a man was found with gunshot wounds on Thursday in western Mosul 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.

12/28/07 Reuters: - U.S. forces kill five gunmen and detain 14 others
U.S. forces killed five gunmen and detained 14 others during operations targeting al Qaeda in central and northern Iraq, the U.S. military said.

12/28/07 AP: Car bomb in Baghdad kills 11; wounds 64
A car bomb detonated in the middle of a busy market in central Baghdad on Friday, killing at least 11 people and wounding 64, police and hospital officials said. At least one woman and a child were killed in the blast, a police officer said...

Iraq has become the forgotten war and that is exactly the way FOX NEWS wants it to be. Unfortuanately, there will not be anyone in the future telling News Hounds readers about what is going on in Iraq because News Hounds and this reporter/blogger have parted company.

BILL CORCORAN, posting what will probably be my last post EVER on News Hounds.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.28.07 - 7:26 pm | #

"It will be nice if we can occupy Iraq for a few years, and then have some permanent military bases there just like in Germany, Japan, S. Korea, etc."

Well, a lot of things would be "nice". But, the Iraqs will not let it happen.
TR | Homepage | 12.28.07 - 7:27 pm | #

Bill:

I'm back from vacation. Hope you had a Merry Christmas. As you can probably tell, I did not engage much this week. Basically, I figured out the trolls have no clue and no intention of learning. So I went to ignore. I'm gearing up for Sunday. Curious of the Bhutto assissination and the connection between Iraq and Al-Qaida. If we did not screw around in iraqnam, Bhutto would be alive today and Bin Laden would be killed or captured.
TR | Homepage | 12.28.07 - 7:33 pm | #

Nice to see 'ya TR. Hope you had a wonderful vacation. You can sleep in Sunday morning because there won't be any post from me because News Hounds and I have parted company. In fact this post we are commenting on will be my LAST post ever for News Hounds. It is a long, long story and I won't bother you with the details, but suffice to I kept getting banned and because I'm not in on the internal mechanism of News Hounds I was unable to find out why I was getting banned from my OWN post, but I could still post comments on other News Hounds threads. It made no sense to me at all and still doesn't for that matter.

So right now I'm able to post this message, but chances are it will be deleted (I will copy it before it is deleted and send it to my scores of news sources) and then move on to another blog somewhere. I have a number of offers, but I'm waiting until after the first of the year to decided where I go.

I can't thank you, TR, WOKE, Paige, and oh so many others for your words of praise every Sunday morning. It was fun while it lasted, but all good things come to an end and this is the end of my posting a guest blog for News Hounds.

God Bless and have a Happy New Year.

BILL CORCORAN, who tried to make a difference in the way Fox News presents the Iraq war, but was stifled by someone who didn't like my posts or how popular I had become.>

BILL CORCORAN | 12.28.07 - 8:05 pm | #

MT
Thanks for the explanation.

Hope you are well and your holidays are bright.

BILL C

NH will miss you.

It is tough being an anti war war vet. On the R they villify and dishonor you for using the freedoms fought for......... for having the courage to question authority, dissent and speak freely about the neocon failures and our troops being used like pawns by war profiteers pretending to be patriots

on the L, there are some who cannot imagine having been in a war zone or in the military....and also consider us pariahs...

It cuts both ways. It is like being a "stranger in a strange land" to return from war, changed, but not accepted by some of either side of the political spectrum.

But, it's enough to know we are doing it to save lives and that it is the right thing to do.

Peace to you

Honor the warriors, not the war
woke | Homepage | 12.28.07 - 9:13 pm | #

Here is what the News Hounds readers won't be able to read about anymore since I will no longer be posting about how Fox News does NOT cover the war in the way it should be covered:

Friday, December 28, 2007
War News for Friday, December 28, 2007
WWSB ABC7 news is reporting a new death not reported by CENTCOM. Sergeant Bryan Joseph Tutten died in Iraq on Tuesday, December 25th. No other details were reported.

KEGT news is reporting a new death not reported by CENTCOM. Sgt. Benjamin Portell was killed by small arms fire in Iraq on Wednesday, December 26th. No other details were reported.

Security incidents:

Baghdad:
#1: A car bomb detonated in the middle of a busy market in central Baghdad on Friday, killing at least 11 people and wounding 64, police and hospital officials said. At least one woman and a child were killed in the blast, a police officer said on condition of anonymity as he was not authorized to talk to the press. The popular market in Tayaran Square — a predominantly Shiite area that has been targeted by insurgents in the past — was full of shoppers heading home from Friday prayers

#2: U.S. forces killed five gunmen and detained 14 others during operations targeting al Qaeda in central and northern Iraq, the U.S. military said.

#3: Supreme judiciary council said its investigating committees set free scores of detainees held in Iraqi prisons. “The released detainees amounted to 11,621 detainees since imposing Baghdad’s security plan, dubbed as Fardh al-Qanoon, that started in mid February 2007,” a judiciary media source, who requested anonymity, told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq (VOI) on Thursday.

#4: One person was killed and another one was injured when a mortar shell hit a bus in eastern Baghdad, a source from the interior ministry said on Friday."A mortar shell hit a small bus at al-Mashtal intersection in eastern Baghdad, killing one person and injuring another one as well as causing severe material damage to the bus," the source, who requested anonymity, told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq

#5: Around 5.30 p.m., an American squad defused a car bomb at Jamaa neighborhood (west Baghdad) .No casualties or damages recorded.

#6: Police found ( 3 ) unidentified dead bodies in the following neighborhoods in Baghdad: ( 2 ) were found in east Baghdad ( Risafa bank ) in Kasra neighborhood . While ( 1 ) was found in Bayaa in west Baghdad ( Karkh bank).

Diyala Prv:
Baquba:
#1: Gunmen disguised with the Iraqi army uniform attacked a house of Sunni family at Sadaa village ( 5 km north of Baquba ) .They killed two men and pushed the women out of the house. When left, women found out IEDs planted in the house .Army came and defused the IEDs .

#2: A roadside bomb exploded at Zighaniya ( 3 km north of Baquba ) killing one child and injuring another.

#3: A sniper shot a policeman dead at al-Mafraq in Baquba without any further information, police said.

Muqdadiyah:
#1: The U.S. military said it had killed four heavily armed gunmen tied to al-Qaida in Iraq in an operation Friday near Muqdadiyah in Diyala. Another was killed in a predominantly Sunni area south of Baghdad.

Kirkuk:
#1: Unknown gunmen on Friday kidnapped two civilians south of Kirkuk and took them to unknown place, a security source said.

#2: Unknown armed men opened fire on a group of citizens in Bashier village, south west of Kirkuk, killing one civilian," the source, who preferred to remain anonymous, told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq

Mosul:
#1: The body of a man was found with gunshot wounds on Thursday in western Mosul 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.28.07 - 10:17 pm | #

Bill Corcoran wrote:

#1: So right now I'm able to post this message, but chances are it will be deleted (I will copy it before it is deleted and send it to my scores of news sources) and then move on to another blog somewhere.

#2: BILL CORCORAN, who tried to make a difference in the way Fox News presents the Iraq war, but was stifled by someone who didn't like my posts or how popular I had become.

-----------------

I cannot let these comments go unchallenged.

Bill seems to be accusing us of deliberately deleting his comments from his own post. This is not true. Never has been. His inability to post for hours on end is something intrinsic to Haloscan or to his own computer or to his AOL account with its revolving ISPs.

News Hounds has never banned him. Ever.

As for his contention that we have stifled him, that is not true. We asked him to post on Sundays to INCREASE our stats and we have all been delighted with the upward trend in his numbers.

Over the past months, several of us have spent hours editing his posts, uploading them and then monitoring the comments and cleaning up trolls. These are hardly the actions of people who want to "stifle" ideas because we're worried about his popularity.

News Hounds WANTED an increase. We WANTED a popular post. We were delighted with Bill's success.

Sadly, he has decided to move on and we are sorry that he has mistakenly decided that someone here is so jealous of him that they would deliberately sabotage him.

Nothing could be farther from the truth.

.
Marie Therese | 12.28.07 - 10:26 pm | #

That being said, here is what the News Hounds readers will not be reading about come Sunday morning:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Mid...t/ IL21Ak02.html

Imagine that. Only two jobs available for men in Iraq. Policemen or garbage collectors.

Will FOX NEWS report this?

Do cows fly?
BILL CORCORAN | 12.28.07 - 11:15 pm | #

"Why do we sit around and break each others hearts" when all this is going on in Iraq and now there is nobody to report it like I was doing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6...h?v=6x47TY4o- Ko
BILL CORCORAN | 12.28.07 - 11:20 pm | #

No longer will News Hounds readers be able to turn to my guest post and find out things like this that neither FOX NEWS or any other mainstream media source are reporting:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/ englis...ent_7323290.htm
BILL CORCORAN | 12.28.07 - 11:33 pm | #

As a former GI, I loved bringing stories like this one to the News Hounds readers. Judging by the number of "hits" to my guest post the News Hounds readers enjoyed getting information from me they were not getting from FOX News or any other mainstream source. But that is all history now and so I leave you today with this heartwarming story:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/20...reunite_071228/

Bill Corcoran, who tried to make a difference in how the Iraq War was being reported.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.28.07 - 11:38 pm | #

We can only wonder NOW if Fox News would have reported the following from the Iraq war theater:

12/28/07 DoD Identifies Army Casualties
Sgt. Benjamin B. Portell, 27, of Bakersfield, Calif...died Dec. 26 in Mosul, Iraq, of wounds suffered from small arms fire during dismounted combat operations.They were assigned to the 3rd Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment...

12/28/07 DoD Identifies Army Casualties
Capt. Rowdy J. Inman, 38, of Panorama Village, Texas...died Dec. 26 in Mosul, Iraq, of wounds suffered from small arms fire during dismounted combat operations.They were assigned to the 3rd Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment...

12/28/07 DoD Identifies Army Casualty
Sgt. Bryan J. Tutten, 33, of St. Augustine, Fla., died Dec. 25 in Balad, Iraq, of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive device detonated near his position during combat operations. He was assigned to the 1st Squadron, 73rd Cavalry Regiment..

Something tells me Fox News would have avoided at all costs reporting these casualties from the Iraq war, but we will never know.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.29.07 - 2:56 am | #

Marie Therese | 12.28.07 - 10:26 pm | #

It is too bad that this happened. At least we know there is one person who will cover the opposite side to Faux vis a vis iraqnam. Oh well, I'm sure there will be the standard Muslim haters, fake war vets, and political smart asses out there regardless.

I made the suggestion that comments should have been disallowed for Bill's threads because the topics were so hot the trolls were going to go nuts. Or a registration requirement should have been in place.
TR | Homepage | 12.29.07 - 5:03 am | #

Hi TR.

I can now get back on (at least for the moment until Haloscan discovers I'm here) and keep posting on this old thread. If you care to, you can let some of the others know I'm still here trying to bring all of you the latest from Iraq.

Here's something you won't find anywhere else.

Bush appears to be looking out for his fat cat contractors who are going to make a pile of money rebuilding Iraq.

Read this which I picked up from Middle East online.

Bush rejects another Iraq war spending law

US president says new bill would throw up legal obstacles to Iraq reconstruction money.

CRAWFORD, Texas - President George W. Bush clashed again with Congress over the Iraq war Friday, rejecting a US military spending bill on the grounds it would throw up legal obstacles to reconstruction money.

"The aggregate financial impact of these provisions on Iraq would be devastating," Bush said in a memo released by the White House, outlining his reasons for rejecting the 2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).

The bill "would imperil billions of dollars of Iraqi assets at a crucial juncture in that nation's reconstruction efforts and ... would undermine the foreign policy and commercial interests of the United States," he said.

Bush said he was withholding approval of the bill -- effectively vetoing it, since the law cannot pass if he does not sign it within 10 days of it being presented to him.

Wonder how FOX NEWS will spin this.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.29.07 - 5:42 am | #

TR. Here is a different take on the story coming from Reuters. I had no idea we were going to sue Iraq. I guess I've been a little busy. LOL.

Wake up WOKE and tell him what is going on....

Bush to veto defense bill after Iraq objects
Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:33pm EST
By Tabassum Zakaria

CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - President George W. Bush intends to veto defense legislation after Iraq objected to a provision that could freeze its assets in the United States if Americans sue the country, the White House said on Friday.

Iraqi officials raised their concerns with U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker about 10 days ago and when administration officials took a closer look at the provision they agreed that it could pose "grave financial risk" for Iraq, tying up assets needed for reconstruction, the White House said.

Iraq also discussed with the United States the possibility of pulling its assets, about $20 billion to $30 billion, out of U.S. institutions if the defense policy bill became law, a senior administration official said on condition of anonymity.

"The new democratic government of Iraq, during this crucial period of reconstruction, cannot afford to have its funds entangled in such lawsuits in the United States," White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said.

The Bush administration is concerned that the bill would re-open lawsuits
BILL CORCORAN | 12.29.07 - 5:48 am | #

TR, WOKE and whomever else shows up:

Here is a great site for news on Iraq.

It is run by my good friend Lori Price;

http://www.legitgov.org/

In her "breaking news" string today she claims the Iraqi people were better off under Saddam Hussein when it came to food than under the present government and the U.S. military.

There is also much more on Iraq.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.29.07 - 5:55 am | #

Bill:

I'll see what I can do. I'll post a O/T piece on a thread from today. And I'll change my homepage link to the link above.
TR | Homepage | 12.29.07 - 12:19 pm | #

Thanks, TR
BILL CORCORAN | 12.29.07 - 12:41 pm | #

The sad part about this whole episode, which I have now come to believe was something to do with Haloscan and not Newshounds, my computer or AOL, is that News Hounds readers are never going to know what happened to these two soldiers in Iraq....

http://tinyurl.com/23out5

Bill Corcoran....still bringing lost sheep up to speed on what is happening in Iraq that Fox News is not covering.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.29.07 - 12:46 pm | #

TR: Thanks for this, but don't get yourself in trouble sticking up for me. I'll be OK. Oh, and thank TheRoachmen, too, and any others I might have missed.

Why is anyone surprised? Kristol will get his share of readers. Plus, it is a EDITORIAL, not a baseline news story. As long as the editorials and news stories are SEPERATED, things will be ok.

Completely O/T
1. If your not aware, Bill Corcoran is leaving this site. His last post was on Dec 23. Bill provided the "other" side of the iraqnam situation. Drove trolls nuts. Faux is only covering what Americans want to hear with respect to iraqnam

2. The link to my homepage has been changed to a site which has many stories which will blow your mind.

http://www.legitgov.org

3. Good bye Bill and good luck.
TR | Homepage | 12.29.07 - 12:27 pm | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.29.07 - 1:24 pm | #

The McClatchy Newspaper chain posted this report yesterday. It is both calming and chilling for the citizens of IRAQ.

With calm in Baghdad, Iraqis hope for services, jobs
By Jamie Gumbrecht and Nancy A. Youssef | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 email | print tool nameclose
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BAGHDAD — With security improved throughout much of Iraq, the constant fear of death is gone, many Iraqis say. The struggle now is how to live.

Buying food is hard. Lighting, cooling or heating a house isn't easy. Fixing the car is a risk. Finding a doctor or a good teacher can be nearly impossible.

"We don't hear any clashes or car bombs. Nobody wakes up to find dead bodies on their stretch of pavement anymore," said Widad Hameed, a retired schoolteacher who lives in Yarmouk, a Sunni Muslim-majority neighborhood in western Baghdad.

But, Hameed said, she and her family have only one or two hours of electricity each day. Kerosene is rarely available in her neighborhood, even on the black market. Last week, she wore three sweaters, a house robe, two pairs of socks and a scarf to warm herself in the winter temperatures. Four of her 13 grandchildren left Iraq to attend college.

"We don't know what to do. We don't trust the government; we don't trust the armed forces. How can we trust their promises of reduced danger?" Hameed said. "Our aspirations have become so small. It's a happy day for me if we have water to cook and bathe and some electricity at 9 p.m. so I can watch Oprah" on satellite television.

Therein lies the challenge of 2008, diplomats, soldiers, politicians and academics said in a rare show of unanimity. The security gains of 2007 were the result not just of the increase in the number of U.S. troops patrolling the capital, but also in an ad hoc strategy that wasn't originally contemplated when President Bush announced the troop buildup last January: the creation of local security groups known as awakening councils in some of Baghdad's most troubled neighborhoods.

Now, those groups, and their U.S.-anointed leaders, must receive official status in Iraq's political system. What relationship they'll have to the central government must be resolved. Until then, the drop in violence won't be sustainable, many Iraqi and American officials fear.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.29.07 - 1:29 pm | #

I must be losing my touch. I forgot the link to the story above from McClatchy Newspapers. Here 'ya go

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homep...tory/ 23882.html
BILL CORCORAN | 12.29.07 - 1:32 pm | #

BILL CORCORAN | 12.29.07 - 1:50 pm | #

Your welcome Bill
TR | Homepage | 12.29.07 - 3:44 pm | #

BILL's information is incomplete.

If you want the latest in the death toll worldwide commited in the name of الله (Allah) go to

http:// www.thereligionofpeace.co...ex.html#Attacks

Heres the ones since Christmas

12/28/2007 Israel Hebron 2 1 Two young Israeli hikers are gunned down by Palestinian terrorists.
12/28/2007 Somalia Siinka Dheer 2 0 Two local soldiers are shot to death by Islamic gunmen.
12/28/2007 Pakistan Manglore 4 4 Four people are blown to bits by an Islamist bombing.
12/28/2007 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A local cop is gunned down by religious extremists.
12/27/2007 Somalia Bakara 1 4 Islamic militias kill one civilian in a grenade attack.
12/27/2007 Mauritania El Ghallawiya 3 0 Three local soldiers are killed by suspected Islamic militants in an ambush.
12/27/2007 Pakistan Rawalpindi 23 50 A suicide attack kills former prime minister Benazir Bhutto and at least twenty supporters along a city street.
12/27/2007 Iraq Baghdad 2 12 Jihadis blast a minibus with a roadside bomb, killing two civilians.
12/27/2007 Pakistan Kurram 27 42 Sectarian violence between Sunni and Shia leaves another two dozen dead.
12/26/2007 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 49-year-old man is shot to death in a drive-by shooting by Muslim militants.
12/26/2007 Pakistan Sadda 25 26 Another two dozen people are killed, as the Taliban sets fire to villagers in a sectarian dispute.
12/26/2007 Iraq Mosul 3 2 Jihadis plant a bomb in a garbage pile, killing three children.
12/26/2007 Iraq Diyala 17 0 Seventeen al-Qaeda victims are found shot in the back of the head.
12/26/2007 Thailand Pattani 3 0 Islamic terrorists use children in a school as human shields to ambush a group of local soldiers, killing three.
12/26/2007 Pakistan Kurrum 32 40 Thirty-two people are killed in clashes between Sunni and Shia rivals.

So that's 146 dead / 181 injuried in a few days.
Vince P | Homepage | 12.29.07 - 6:18 pm | #

Yep we got them under control alright. violence is down.

They are in their last throes. Mission Accomplished
hoode | 12.29.07 - 11:58 pm | #

hoode | 12.29.07 - 11:58 pm | #

The paradox is by posting all these incidents from an anti-muslim website, this only shows Faux news is NOT reporting the facts in iraqnam unless they fit what Americans want to hear.
TR | Homepage | 12.30.07 - 12:38 am | #

unless they fit what Americans want to hear.
TR | Homepage | 12.30.07 - 12:38 am | #

that should be corrected to mean what NEO cons want to hear.
hoode | 12.30.07 - 3:01 am | #

Anonymous | 01.01.08 - 1:44 am | #

Sockpuppet for Bill Corcoran.

TheRightSide | 01.01.08 - 4:33 am | #

Sockpuppet for Bill Corcoran.

TheRightSide | 01.01.08 - 4:53 am | #

Sockpuppet for Bill Corcoran.

TheRightSide | 01.01.08 - 7:23 am | #

Sharin Bowers | 01.02.08 - 4:02 am | #

Sockpuppet for Bill Corcoran.
TheRightSide | 01.01.08 - 7:23 am | #

MT

so, is BILL CORCORAN BANNED OR WHAT?
woke | Homepage | 01.02.08 - 9:05 am | #

News Hounds has never banned him. Ever.

Nothing could be farther from the truth.

.
Marie Therese | 12.28.07 - 10:26 pm | #

Sockpuppet for Bill Corcoran.

TheRightSide | 01.01.08 - 4:33 am | #

Sockpuppet for Bill Corcoran.

TheRightSide | 01.01.08 - 4:53 am | #

Sockpuppet for Bill Corcoran.

TheRightSide | 01.01.08 - 7:23 am | #

?????
woke | Homepage | 01.02.08 - 9:08 am | #

I know you, rider, gonna miss me when Im gone;
I know you, rider, gonna miss me when Im gone;
Gonna miss your baby, from rolling in your arms.

Laid down last night, lord, I could not take my rest;
Laid down last night, lord, I could not take my rest;
My mind was wandering like the wild geese in the west.

The sun will shine in my back door someday.
The sun will shine in my back door someday.
March winds will blow all my troubles away.

I wish I was a headlight, on a north bound train;
I wish I was a headlight, on a north bound train;
Id shine my light through cool colorado rain.

I know you, rider, gonna miss me when Im gone;
I know you, rider, gonna miss me when Im gone;
Gonna miss your baby, from rolling in your arms.

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