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Good morning Bill.

Another fine post as usual.

Thought I would say thanks before the usual trolls start attacking you.

Hope you have a good Festive season.

Cheers.
Oklad B.C. Canada | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:40 am | #

Millions of Iraqi children need help now: UNICEF report
Last Updated: Friday, December 21, 2007 | 12:28 PM ET

"Children are also the victims of violence, frequently caught in the crossfire of fighting, said the report, called Little Respite for Iraq's Children in 2007.

About 1,350 children were detained by authorities in 2007, "many for alleged security violations" while only 28 per cent of 17-year-olds took their school-leaving exams this year, it said."

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/20...n- children.html

Merry Christmas kids. :(
Oklad B.C. Canada | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:55 am | #

BILL,

you forgot one of the most important stories!

yOU kNOUU///

About houu the reporting from earock is biased, and all!/?

Anyuuay, here's a link regarding the sectarian fauxtographer, BiLaL Hussein:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ 20071..._photographer_3

Plus, didn't Harry Reid just recently admit that surge was working.*

I believe he did.

No question mark cuz that's not a question.
Jolly Old Saint NicK | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 6:39 am | #

I don't think that one either will be reported by Fox News :
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/...tory/ 23552.html
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 6:52 am | #

Mr. Forward = Uber Troll

Mr. Forward | 12.23.07 - 6:55 am | #

Will Fox Report the following 20 times a day on Christmas?

http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.c...ion-part- i.html

When I say and repeat that you, Americans have destroyed everything in Iraq, I am met with scorn and anger.

Some of you are too simplistic and equate destruction with buildings in ruins.

Having a limited a vision, you can’t go beyond the material, the physical...

I reiterate, you Americans have destroyed everything in Iraq. And I mean EVERYTHING.

Since 1958 until 2003, Iraq, its government and its people strove relentlessly to build a modern nation state.

The biggest developmental boom took place under the Baath regime and in particular under Saddam Hussein. Like it or not.

In 1972, the oil was nationalized. By 1982, illiteracy and preventable diseases were eradicated.

Education including higher education was free of charge. The government would disburse 5000 grants yearly for postgraduate studies abroad to England, Germany, Russia, France...
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 8:41 am | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 8:46 am | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 8:48 am | #

No specious or plausible pleas about a "war for democracy" can becloud the issue. Democracy can not be shot into a nation. It must come spontaneously and purely from within.

The following link tells us how we have been conned.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2.../12/ 388390.html

The Iraq agenda was so important to the Bush administration that the White House had even formed “an interagency” ‘Iraq Public Diplomacy group’ comprised of NSC, CIA, Pentagon, State and USAID staffers.” The Iraq Public Diplomacy Group created the ‘Iraqi Voices for Freedom’ - voices which spoke of Saddam’s brutality and torture, while they made themselves available for interviews, especially to foreign press (non-American). In addition to this, a public relations firm, the Rendon Group, helped create the Iraqi National Congress (INC) in order to promote ‘the democratic voice of Iraq’. This firm helped President Bush sell the war to the public by linking Iraq to al-Qaeda and presenting Saddam Hossein as an imminent threat. They repeatedly linked Saddam and the shocking pictures of the Twin Towers with Saddam Hossein, where there was no link,; but this was accomplished by sheer repetition. False allegations of his capability to launch WMD in 45 minutes was imbedded in the minds of the masses by showing video clips of 1988 chemical attack on the Kurds of Halabja in an attempt to convince people that an attack against Saddam was to defeat evil.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 8:54 am | #

Bush conning us into this illegal war created the fate of this Iraqi teenager.

http://www.spiegel.de/ internatio...,524425,00.html

Many of the insurgents building bombs and carrying out attacks in Iraq are hate-filled teenagers. Diya Muhammad Hussein, 16, is one of them ...
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 9:02 am | #

Jesus, Vince,can you say monomania.

If you were around in 1960,you'd have pissed your pants every time they tested the Civil Defence sirens.
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 9:11 am | #

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:46 am |

So what you're saying is that Bill C left out things in Iraq that Faux should've covered but didn't, eh?
Perhaps you should write Faux and tell them to report what is going on in Iraq.

Wait, is that website the one that was found to be attributing certain attacks to Muslims that had nothing to do with them (including, IIRC, a killing by an American soldier)? Are there not enough attacks by Islamic Conservatives that they need to be inflated?

I think Free Speech would probably appreciate it if a jerk-off like you didn't speak for him/her.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:23 am | #

"Dear Santa: As you make your rounds dropping off presents, please don't forget the brave young men and women journalists in Iraq who risk their lives on a daily basis to keep Americans informed on what is really taking place in Iraq."
BILL CORCORAN

Your wish must be working. Many of the reporters are wondering the streets without body armor. Good Job.
Mendell | 12.23.07 - 9:26 am | #

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 9:26 am | #

The following scenario is the best way to understand Mendell and the trolls.

Mendell comes home to find his wife and Bush Jr, naked together in bed. Just as Mendell is about to open his mouth, Bush jumps out of bed and says, "Before you say anything, old pal, what are you going to believe, me or your eyes?"

Mendell quickly answers, "why I'll believe you."
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 9:29 am | #

I was thinking that the concept of paying off the insurgents for a time is actually a good one. We've done this before in history, successfully I believe; it's essentially what we should be doing in Afghanistan.
While this would be somewhat cruel, it is good strategy to allow status quo to occur in all parts of the country except one. Then after you've helped fix some of the problems in that area you expand your 'coverage' if you will to another.
So, yes, pay off some insurgents now. Then take out a small part of them while still paying off the others, and so on. Eventually, the others will get wise but, hopefully, it'll be too late.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:29 am | #

Dream on Marie, dream on. Like my pa used to tell me when I was a lad, "Want don't always get."
dinkface | 12.23.07 - 9:29 am | #

So what you're saying is that Bill C left out things in Iraq that Faux should've covered but didn't, eh?
Perhaps you should write Faux and tell them to report what is going on in Iraq.

That isn't what I said.

>Wait, is that website the one that was found to be attributing certain attacks to Muslims that had nothing to do with them (including, IIRC, a killing by an American soldier)? Are there not enough attacks by Islamic Conservatives that they need to be inflated?

No

>I think Free Speech would probably appreciate it if a jerk-off like you didn't speak for him/her.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:23 am | #

I think Free Speech would probably appreciate it if a jerk-off like you didn't speak for it.
Vince P | 12.23.07 - 9:29 am | #

Vince,

I,m not arguing,or trying to divert you.(God knows that would be pointless.)Just making an observation IMHO.
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 9:30 am | #

If the main fear in the world is Islamo-cons,it would seem rather counterproductive to smash a secular state,even if it is run by a strong armed dictator.I mean,it isn't like we haven't cozied up to thuggish dictators before.
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 9:33 am | #

I believe that the whole point of Bill Cocorans post is to remind the World that "the surge is working", can be roughly translated to "we are still in the shit, but not sinking as fast".
Danish Doctor | 12.23.07 - 9:36 am | #

Argument rejected: Ad Hominem
Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:31 am | #

Wrong you are Vince. The joke speaks to the very heart of British empiricist philosophy - the question of what sort of information about the world we can depend on.

You depend entirely on the propanganda. Didn't your read my post above? the one with this link:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2.../12/ 388390.html
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 9:36 am | #

Ignore them and they will go away.

Article published Sunday, December 23, 2007
Attacks in Algeria

TWO car bomb attacks in Algeria's capital, which killed at least 31, may be signaling an upsurge in Islamic extremist activity outside the usual venues.

Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, the terrorist organization that claimed credit for the suicide bombings in Algiers, has been around under different names since at least 1998, but what was new and disquieting about last week's attacks were the targets.

One was the building housing Algeria's Constitutional Council, which oversees elections. The other was the offices of various United Nations bodies, including the U.N. Development Program and the World Food Program, which clearly benefit the people of Algeria.

In claiming responsibility for the carnage, al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb referred to the agencies as "the Crusaders and their agents, the slaves of America and the sons of France," Algeria's former colonial master.
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...ION02/ 712230303
Mendell | 12.23.07 - 9:40 am | #

That isn't what I said.

I don't think Vinnie understands the irony of my post ("So what you're saying is ... you didn't speak for").

However, logically it follows that if
p) You think Bill "is giving incomplete data about the enemy attacks", and
q) Bill is reporting on what Faux did and didn't report about Iraq, then
r) You must think Faux "is giving incomplete data about the enemy attacks"
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:40 am | #

BTW, I don't get this. Vince P is shown to be a raving anti-Muslim yet I noticed he uses 'jihadis' more than once. Now unless there is something I don't know, there is no such word as 'jihadi' or 'jihadis', though there is 'jihadist'. Is this just another made up word by a bunch of illiterate red-necks, like 'nukular', 'furrin', and "islamo-fascist"?
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:34 am | #

Argument Rejected: Premise "Jihadi is not a word" is false.

Jihadi (n) is in the Oxford English Dictionary.

Edited By Siteowner
Vince P | 12.23.07 - 9:43 am | #

Jeebus, please let knuckle draggers like this Vince P. person realize they are on the losing end of a wave that started when a criminal administration lied to a once great nation and invaded another country on fictional data concerning weapons that didn't exist with an agenda for colonization and control of natural resources that are not our own. Please baby Jeebus, bless the mouth breathers with temperance and understanding to see they are the appendix of organs in the American body. Please baby Jeebus, let Vince P, DJK, Kevin, Enrico, 2008, and all the other little trolls find something constructive they can do that will benefit society and help them end their perpetual self embarassment. And please baby Jeebus, protect the people in Iraq from the crazies and the violent so that we can all have a brighter and more optimistic new year. And lastly for now baby Jeebus, please bring our US soldiers home as fast as possible.

Amon.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:43 am | #

notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 9:42 am | #

Vince P is one of those who would turn in their neighbors as possible "reds" and pray for the return of the "old ways".
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:45 am | #

12/21/2007 Iraq al-Salam 1 2 Jihadis manage to kill one child with a mortar attack on a residential neighborhood.
12/21/2007 Iraq Yusufiya 5 8 A suicidal Sunni takes out five Iraqis in a bombing.
12/20/2007 Iraq Baghdad 3 27 Fundamentalists bomb a liquor store, killing three passersby.
12/20/2007 Iraq Kanaan 12 28 A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills a dozen people at a Sunni council meeting.
12/18/2007 Iraq Mosul 10 2 Yazidi tribesman are the target of radical Sunnis, who manage to kill ten.
12/18/2007 Afghanistan Farah 15 9 Fifteen Afghans guarding a fuel tanker are murdered in cold blood by a Taliban ambush.
12/18/2007 Iraq Baquba 2 15 Children are among the casualites as a suicide bomber detonates along a city street.
12/18/2007 Iraq Abbara 16 28 Sixteen people sitting in a caf ï¿½ are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
12/18/2007 Iraq Baghdad 7 12 Jihadis take out seven Iraqis in multiple attacks, including a university professor.
12/17/2007 Afghanistan Uruzgan 5 0 A bicycle bomber murders a family of five, including three children.

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:46 am | #

So Vinnie Pee is telling us there's violence in Iraq and Afghanistan? Big freaking discovery there sport, isn't that what Bill has been telling us all along?
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 9:49 am | #

Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 6:52 am | #

This is a good story. I'm convinced there is a connection between our national security and the literacy rates of Iraqi chlidren. Who were far more literate prior to 2003.
Anonymous | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:50 am | #

FrankC | 12.23.07 - 9:49 am | #

Well, every nation is violent. Including the US. I'm not sure what point our point-headed little troll is trying to make today. He is certainly a Muslim hater, that much is true. Beyond that, all I can say is

Argument Rejected: Source is an Asshole
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:53 am | #

Watch what you say to Vinnie Pee folks, or else he'll sue you for slander (Heavy Sarcasm)
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 9:53 am | #

Argument Rejected: Source is an Asshole
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:53 am

Ah, the only correct rejection of an argument this morning!
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:54 am | #

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 9:54 am | #

FrankC | 12.23.07 - 9:49 am | #

But you are supposed to say all is well in Iraq. You are supposed to ignore anything that does not fit the script.

However, as you are aware, part of being an adult and an aware citizen is finding out BOTH the good and bad events and then deciding whether this is the right course of action to take. I have come to the conclusion this is and has been a disaster.

As for the video, Bush Jr flipping the bird is completely in character. He has done this for 7 years. Yet, we STILL have folks who bend over for him.
Anonymous | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:55 am | #

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 9:54 am | #

Oh stop, King of Ignorance. You could just as easily writh "Where there is Christianity, there is violence"

Religion in the hands of the bigoted and ignorant usually breeds violence.

Argument Rejected: Source is an Asshole
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:56 am | #

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 9:56 am | #

"Where there is Christianity, there is violence"
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:56 am

ya beat me to it.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:57 am | #

Shit what happened??
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:58 am | #

Argument Rejected: Premise "Jihadi is not a word" is false.

Jihadi (n) is in the Oxford English Dictionary.
Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:43 am |

Man, don't be dissin' me!

I suppose dis/diss is an actual word? It is certainly in many dictionaries. Words are often in dictionaries because they are popularly used, or in your case used by some, that does not make them words. Do you understand what a neologism is?
radmod | 12.23.07 - 9:59 am | #

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 9:59 am | #

"All Iraqi Groups Blame U.S. Invasion for Discord, Study Shows"

Not surprising. I've been saying for years, if you want the violence to go down, stop doing it!

"Iraq rejects permanent U.S. bases"

Also not surprising, but I don't think the Bushies will take no for an answer.
Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:00 am | #

We have military troops in the Philippines. Why does Bill heartlessly omit them ? Are they any less valuable as Americans because theyâ€™re in East Asia?
Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 9:56 am | #

Iraq is under occupation, The Philippines are not, Argument Rejected: Source is an Asshole
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:00 am | #

TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:00 am | #

Thanks, it sounds truer in stereo.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:03 am | #

C'mon trolls, BRING IT ON. All we see from the other side is whining and rationalizations about Islam to justify OUR invasion of iraqnam. You guys KNOW our actions in the last 5 years have nothing to do with religion. Do tell how your certain everything is great in this area of the world. What is your end??

Don't you all realize the POTUS just flipped you the bird. Why support someone who did this to you??
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:08 am | #

13 figures for this war to make vietnam avoiders feel butch over 30 years later while saying SCHIP is too expensive
jr | 12.23.07 - 10:09 am | #

Vince,

I think you helped make Bill's point that fox is ignoring violence in Iraq?Perhaps you could address your point to Mendel,in his 9:26 am post he implies that the situation in Iraq is just honky dory.

Are you arguing that the Muslem insurgency in the Phillipines has the same goal as the "Brotherhood"in Egypt does,that there are no local or regional political issues that are driving actions?
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:10 am | #

notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:10 am | #

Mendel is Vinnie's sock puppet, he would need to talk to himself.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:12 am | #

FrankC 10:12 am

Wouldn't be the first time.
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:16 am | #

I think Free Speech is saying that it would be better if the Iraqis were living under Saddam Hussein , and being brutalized systematically by the government as well as living in squaler due to the UN Economic Sanctions.
Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 8:48 am

As opposed to how they are living now? Holy shit get off the koolaid.
NChomsky | 12.23.07 - 10:17 am | #

The topic is Iraq. Deleted. Of topic.

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:19 am | #

Denial is not an option.
Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:19 am

No DeNile is a river in Egypt. This post is about Iraq and as usual Bill C has done a great job. It isn't about the other "honour killings".
NChomsky | 12.23.07 - 10:21 am | #

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:19 am | #

And killings (honor or otherwise) don't happen in predominantly Christian countries? This guy is the epitome of irrelevance.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:22 am | #

The liberal media ignores the good news coming out of Iraq:

1) Two million Iraqi children face disease, poverty.

2) We have found our future Bin Laden/Saddam Hussein.

All I want for Christmas is a Bush-loving pro-war media that informs about the situation in Iraq to replace this liberal media that hides the truth about Iraq.
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:22 am | #

Mendel

Do you have a way to end honor killings,or are you just bringing it up to show how "evil"1.2 billion Muslims are?
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:22 am | #

"Iraq rejects permanent U.S. bases"

Oooh, now we starting to get to the REAL reasons.

Three others:
1. oil
2 currency of the dollar vice euros
3. iraqnam/iran oil deal.
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:26 am | #

notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:22 am | #

Nah it is simple. These folks just want to kill ALL muslims. Or more to the point, have SOMEONE else do it, like the US military.
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:28 am | #

Yes we do again have troops in the Philippines.

It sounds like we are going about things there like we did in Nam.

What does the region have that America is interested in???? OIL AND CHINA. GASP WHAT A SHOCK!!!

Try to dig a little deeper than the obvious headlines people throw at you. The headlines are dispensed many time to cover up why we are REALLY interested in a region. WE are attempting to get permanent bases back in the region on the island of Mindanao.

There is a small group of thugs pretending to be aligned with Islam.... in fact for years all they have been doing is harassing and demanding money to stop. In other words....extortion.

he U.S. has been very unhappy since we were thrown out of Clark AFB and have been seeking a way to get bases back in the region somewhere.

This band of rebels is the excuse they need.
As usual our intentions are never as clear as the headlines would like us to believe.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 10:30 am | #

Great post (as usual) Bill....

Remainder deleted. Off topic.
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:30 am | #

Off topic.

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:30 am | #

TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:28 am | #

Think of it as this way. If all Americans were to live the lifestyle of the Amish tomorrow there will be a gun to our head via US miltiary to get off our horses and back into the car. It called tough love from the oil companies.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 10:31 am | #

Mendel,

Do you have a point with your posts?
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:33 am | #

Mendel,

Do you have a point with your posts?
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:33 am | #

I'm assuming that's a rhetorical question.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:34 am | #

Do you have a point with your posts?
notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:33 am

Violence is a way of life in all Muslim countries.

Note from MT: Violence is a way of life in America as well.

Edited By Siteowner
Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:35 am | #

No To Hijab: Honour Killing
Is Terrorism

By Taj Hashmi

18 December, 2007
Countercurrents.org

The latest ghastly murder of sixteen-year-old Aqsa in Toronto is another spine chiller; not only because the way her Muslim father killed her but also because she fell victim to a grossly misconstrued belief nourished, promoted and encouraged by millions of obscurantist custodians of Islam. It is shocking that what ignorant Muslims have been doing with impunity in the so-called Muslim World – killing and victimizing weak and innocent in the name of Islam – can also happen in Canada and other civilized countries. This is a wakeup call for everybody who wants to protect life, property and honor of all human beings, everywhere.
Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:08 am

USA - Domestic Violence Statistics

85-95% of all domestic violence victims are female.

Over 500,00 women are stalked by an intimate partner each year.

5.3 million women are abused each year.

1,232 women are killed each year by an intimate partner.

Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women.

Women are more likely to be attacked by someone they know rather than by a stranger.

Where's the outrage Mendell?
Scottish Mike | 12.23.07 - 10:36 am | #

notveryhow | 12.23.07 - 10:33 am

...to serve as an example of unbridled ignorance...

at which he excells....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:36 am | #

Violence is a way of life in all Muslim countries.
Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:35 am | #

===================

so of course we should kill them all.

YOU DO know of course that we have more people in jail for violent crimes than any nation on the planet right????? I guess we better go to war with ourselves.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 10:38 am | #

Cut & Paste.

Vince P | 12.23.07 - 10:39 am | #

I repeat my earlier statement: Mendell: The epitome of irrelevance.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:39 am | #

I'll let Dennis Prager speak for me because he's as much an idiot as I am.

FIXED

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:39 am | #
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:41 am | #

Violence is a way of life in all Muslim countries.
Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:35 am | #

Murder Rate Totals

#1 India: 37,170
#2 Russia: 28,904
#3 Colombia: 26,539
#4 South Africa: 21,995
#5 Mexico: 13,829
#6 United States: 12,658
#7 Venezuela: 8,022
#8 Thailand: 5,140
#9 Ukraine: 4,418
#10 Indonesia: 2,204
#11 Poland: 2,170
#12 France: 1,051
#13 Belarus: 1,013
#14 Germany: 960
#15 Korea, South: 955
#16 Zimbabwe: 912
#17 Jamaica: 887
#18 United Kingdom: 850
#19 Zambia: 797
#20 Italy: 746
#21 Yemen: 697
#22 Japan: 637
#23 Romania: 560
#24 Malaysia: 551
#25 Spain: 494

Is that right Mendell?
Scottish Mike | 12.23.07 - 10:41 am | #

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:39 am | #

Argument rejected: Biased source
Scottish Mike | 12.23.07 - 10:43 am | #

Is that right Mendell?
Scottish Mike | 12.23.07 - 10:41 am | #

WOW look at all the muslim countries that didn't crack the top 20, proving once again that Mendell, Vinnie Pee's sock puppet is irrelevant.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 10:46 am | #

And as usuall......PEE must let someone else do his thinking and writing for him.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 10:51 am | #

Vince, define "Leftist" for me please. Oh please. Make it Satan's little Christmas gift from big ole Santa Vince. Oh please. Pretty please.

Don't be a Grinch now.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:51 am | #

Vince P | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:39 am | #

David Prager is doing harm to the history of Fascism. To borrow that word from the past and put it on a region with an entirely different culture and geopolitical makeup mocks the very meaning of fascism.

The reason whores like Prager use Fascism in conjuction with the Middle East is because we western use the word fascism as a derogatory term.

Islamo fascism is derogatory and doesn't educate us on the realities of the region.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 10:53 am | #

Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:44 am | #

Appealing to and using whackozoid talk show hosts is surprisingly common with loons like Vince P. They listen to that shit, eat it up day after day, and imagine in their world that the turd with the microphone has an audience of MILLIONS of listeners hanging on their every word. Driving down the street nodding to himself while listening to these radio-lunatics people like Vincy see other people nodding to the music and imagine they've just heard the same thing said (they have to be listening to the same talk radio show of course) and bingo, dozens of strangers suddenly agree with his mania of the moment.

Vince P, his sockepuppets, and the other trolls who site talk radio as a source or use it in an argument deserve pity and a small degree of caution. They are mentally ill.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:55 am | #

If I understand well, Fox News isn't expected to give all the news, and isn't obligated to do so, while Bill Corcoran is expected to give all the news, and is obrligated to do so.

Good !
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 10:55 am | #

I wonder why FOX NEWS didn't report this?

U.S. soldier killed, 11 wounded in Iraq bombings

http://news.xinhuanet.com/ englis...ent_7295139.htm

www.chinaview.cn 2007-12-22 17:40:26

Special report: Tension escalates in Iraq

BAGHDAD, Dec. 22 (Xinhua) -- An American soldier was killed and 11 others were wounded when two roadside bomb attacks hit their vehicles in northern Iraq, the U.S. military said on Saturday.

The attack took place when the soldier's unit was conducting combat operations in Kirkuk province on Friday, a military statement said.

The wounded soldiers were transported to a military medical facility for treatment, the statement added.

The latest death brings the number of U.S. soldier who have been killed in Iraq to more than 3,895 since the U.S.-led invasion broke out in 2003, according to media count based on Pentagon figures.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 10:57 am | #

Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 10:53 am

Islamo fundamentalists...

is a much more appropriate term....

fundamentalism is fundamentalism regardless of your particular stripe
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:58 am | #

Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:55 am | #

Good post. It is known as Manufactured Consent.

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Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 10:58 am | #

oh the sad irony that we can get unbiased Iraq war news from a CHINESE source ...

Baby Jeebus help us!
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:59 am | #

Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:58 am |

You are on target. I agree with you there.

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Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 10:59 am | #

Vince P, his sockepuppets, and the other trolls who site talk radio as a source or use it in an argument deserve pity and a small degree of caution. They are mentally ill.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:55 am | #

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Very well stated. These assclowns on talk radio are laughing all the way to the bank at the ridiculous loyalty these people give them

And yes I do state the same thing about the lib talkers too. They are all entertainers......paid to get you all excited and worried about whoever they point their fingers at.
hoode | 12.23.07 - 10:59 am | #

Just wanted to say another excellent article Bill.

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Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 11:01 am | #

That is precisely what brainwashed fools do....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:01 am | #

Exhibited by the fact that if you refute them, an easily attained task, they start to cite ratings.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 11:03 am | #

Why doesn't FOX NEWS ever tell about the plight of the IRAQI children since the U.S. invaded and occupied their country.

It is not a pretty picture as you will read here:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/ englis...ent_7291067.htm
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:03 am | #

FrankC | 12.23.07 - 11:03 am

Touché, amigo.

And without the slightest hint of comprehension or...

context.
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:04 am | #

If BAGHDAD is as safe as FOX NEWS says it is, I wonder why this happened.....

http://news.xinhuanet.com/ englis...ent_7295969.htm
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:04 am | #

Should I congratulate Vince and Mendell because they try to inform themselves, or not, because they only pick informations that strengthens their prejudices ? They seem to make a habit of considering all crimes committed by Muslims, or in a muslim country, as being a consequence of Islam.

Do they know that there are honor killings in non-muslims societies (hindu, notably) ?

Do they know that in Kazakhstan, an islamic country, they eat pork, don't veil women, don't practice polygamy, don't practice sharia ?

Do they know that in the muslim Targui tribe, wome, and men are equal, and women keep their properties, and can chose their husband, and divorce at will ?

Do they know that Ismaelians, Sufis, druzes, have never been a problem ?

Do they know that in fact, only a tiny minority of muslims (wahabis) is a real problem ? And that they are generally funded by the US's best friend in the Middle east, Saudi Arabia ?

Do they know they don't know much ?
Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 11:05 am | #

There's no doubt the loony liberal talk show hosts do the same thing. The history of US domestic terrorism shows a definite lean to the right wing. There is something about the right-wingers that makes it more common for them to go off the nut and attack their fellow Americans. I'm thinking that their own twisted ideas of what they deserve in life opposed to what other people (are perceived to be) are taking away from them - or given to them by "liberal" causes like welfare and other gov services - fills them with anger and ultimately the desire for revenge. Some of them snap and act on those desires at some point. They never examine the fact that they've usually squandered their opportunities in life, or pursued THINGS that ultimately were of far less value than originally perceived.

Like I said. They are mentally ill. When you identify one make sure you know where they are at, so to speak, if they are a neighbor or associate.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:07 am | #

This is what happened SUNDAY in IRAQ, but FOX NEWS elected not to cover any of these events...

Reported Security Incidents

Baghdad

Roadside bomb kills two civilians, wounds two in Zaafaraniya district of southern Baghdad.

Police find two bodies dumped in different places.

Roadside bomb targets joint U.S.-Iraqi patrol. No casualties reported.

Iraqi security forces announce the arrest of 20 men in the ongoing security crackdown.

Mahmoudiya (I think)

Two officers and four soldiers of the Sahwa tribal forces were killed in a car bomb attack. This minor detail is buried in the above story about security forces making arrests in Baghdad, and describes the location as "the district of al-Mahmoudiya, Southern Baghdad." I assume this refers to the town of Mahmoudiya, which is not part of the municipality of Baghdad but is in the city's environs. -- C

Body found with gunshot wounds.

Ramadi

Police find two bodies dumped near a service station, riddled with bullets.

al-Hai, Wassit province

Bomb attack near the home of Abdul-Reda al-Badri, head of the provincial Human Rights Department, severely damages his house and injures six members of his family. Not clear whether Badri himself was injured.

Mosul

Abdul Attackers blow up the home of Maawjoud Jar Allah, head of the municipal council in the Sinjar district. Sinjar is part of the disputed territory between Kurdistan and Arab Iraq. VoI does not say whether Allah was Arab or Kurdish.

Car bomb targeting a police patrol kills one civilian and injures five police officers. McClatchy, reporting what appears to be the same incident, gives the exact location as Al Mashriq neighborhood, and says the car bomb was parked.

A Lt. Colonel in the Iraqi army is assassinated.

Kut

U.S. says its forces captured a militant leader and seven other suspects.

Latifya

Roadside bomb kills one civilian, injures two.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:09 am | #

"Do they know that in the muslim Targui tribe, wome, and men are equal, and women keep their properties, and can chose their husband, and divorce at will ?"

That is so unlike the American Trailer Park tribe of Budwieserlings.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:09 am | #

Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:09 am | #

.. except for that part about keeping the trailer after the divorce ...
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:11 am | #

The history of US domestic terrorism shows a definite lean to the right wing.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:07 am |

Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 10:58 am |

Absolutely, Hayduke. Islamic Fundamentalism is the correct term. However, since Conservatives, especially Christian Conservatives, want to use the term "islamo-fascist", which is inaccurate, then we should use the term "Islamo-Conservative" since it is far more correct.
International Terrorists are RWers; Domestic Terrorists are, generally, RWers. Christian Fundamentalist are Conservatives; Islamic Fundamentalists are Conservative. So, Islamic Conservative is indeed apropos.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 11:13 am | #

BTW, Bill, it seems at least one RWer (Vinnie) agrees with you that Faux doesn't cover Iraq properly.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 11:14 am | #

Time for a break, BILL great posts as usual, and if I don't speak to all of you soon:

Merry Christmas
Feliz Navitad
Buon Natale

And to all Bill O'Reilly fans:

Happy Holidays.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 11:18 am | #

Zzorglubb | 12.23.07 - 10:55 am | #

If Faux showed one of Bill's stories for one T&A segment, that would be fair
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:36 am | #

Before I go eat breakfast, I can't resist this question:

If we are so successful, how come there are still mulitple terrorist attacks in iraqnam anyway?
TR | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:40 am | #

Here is another story about IRAQ that just happened to slip by the editors at FOX NEWS.

Hundreds in Ramadi protest policeman killing by U.S. soldier

http://tinyurl.com/28p66e

Saturday , 22 /12 /2007 Time 4:30:35

Anbar, Dec 21, (VOI) – Hundreds of people in al-Anbar staged a demonstration in front of a U.S. forces headquarters north of Ramadi on Thursday to protest the killing of an Iraqi policeman stabbed by a U.S. soldier in a quarrel on Wednesday.

"About 400 protesters in the area of al-Jazira, (4 km) northeastern Ramadi, demanded a trial of the U.S. soldier in accordance with the Iraqi law for stabbing an Iraqi policeman in a joint checkpoint to death on Wednesday evening," a police officer in Ramadi, who declined to have his name mentioned, told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq (VOI).
The protesters started their march from the house of the policeman during his funeral and then assembled in front of a U.S. headquarters, chanting slogans condemning the "criminal" killing of the policeman, the source said.
The demonstration lasted for about 20 minutes and then mourners marched towards the cemetery to bury the Iraqi policeman, he added.
"The victim's family has lodged a complaint with the local council in Ramadi and called for an immediate trial of the U.S. soldier commensurate with the Iraqi law," the source said.
No comment was made by the U.S. army on the incident nor reaction to the angry protests by the local residents in Ramadi.
Ramadi, the capital of the predominantly Sunni province of Anbar, is 110 km west of Baghdad.

BILL CORCORAN, author of this guest post bringing everyone up to speed on what FOX NEWS doesn't cover about IRAQ
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:45 am | #

Right back at 'ya FRANK C.

Time for a break, BILL great posts as usual, and if I don't speak to all of you soon:

Merry Christmas
Feliz Navitad
Buon Natale

And to all Bill O'Reilly fans:

Happy Holidays.
FrankC | 12.23.07 - 11:18 am | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:46 am | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 11:47 am | #

RADMOD: If what you posted here is true, I think Vince P has been hitting the eggnog a little early....
Bill Corcoran

BTW, Bill, it seems at least one RWer (Vinnie) agrees with you that Faux doesn't cover Iraq properly.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 11:14 am | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:48 am | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 11:49 am | #

Another excellent piece of journalistic work Bill. Fox never will never touch all this because trying to mix journalism with that bunch of hacks is like trying to mix oil and water.
Godzilla104 | 12.23.07 - 11:49 am | #

To OKLAD B.C CANADA. Thanks so much. We keep punching the bag. Have a happy holiday.
Bill Corcoran

Good morning Bill.

Another fine post as usual.

Thought I would say thanks before the usual trolls start attacking you.

Hope you have a good Festive season.

Cheers.
Oklad B.C. Canada | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 5:40 am | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:50 am | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 11:50 am | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 11:52 am | #

Time for the pasties to be cleaned up..
Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:53 am | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 11:50 am

You do know the plagiarism is a "proven" loser. Republican senator Lindsay Graham might not be too happy with your stealing his commentary.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 11:53 am | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 11:53 am | #

BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:46 am | #

Allow me to add my wishes for a happy holidays to you, Bill!
Godzilla104 | 12.23.07 - 11:54 am | #

And your agenda here is what Bill ? Do you think if FOX reports "everything" that is going on in Iraq that it will somehow make the "withdrawal" that people like you so dearly desire come any faster ?
Dave | 12.23.07 - 11:55 am | #

HI GODZILLA104: Thanks for this comment and for visiting my post. You have a great one....Bill Corcoran

Another excellent piece of journalistic work Bill. Fox never will never touch all this because trying to mix journalism with that bunch of hacks is like trying to mix oil and water.
Godzilla104 | 12.23.07 - 11:49 am | #
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 11:55 am | #

I don't think the trolls will like this. Some people are giving credit to Iran for the decrease in violence in Iraq.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22376176/

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john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:55 am | #

Great post as usual, Bill and happy holidays to you and yours. I read the article about how life is so much worse for gays under the Shia than under the secular Saddam. Even worse is that some American soliders mock these men in front of other Iraqis - which could jeopardize their lives. But hey, hatred of gays seems to be part of the "freedoms" espoused by the American republican right wing.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 11:55 am | #

You mean the withdrawal that nearly everyone wants, Dave? I'm sorry to hurt the feelings of those war profiteers... not.
Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:56 am | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 11:56 am | #

I suspect APW doesn't read a word here. It might even be a scripted macro.
Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 11:57 am | #

More happy Iraq:

A roadside bomb targeting an Iraqi army patrol in Baghdad killed two civilians Sunday, as attacks claimed the lives of at least five people despite a marked decrease in violence across the country in recent months.

The roadside bomb in southeastern Baghdad's predominantly Shiite neighborhood of Zaafaraniyah also wounded four people, a Baghdad police officer said..

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Intern...tory? id=4044766
claudo | 12.23.07 - 11:58 am | #

"Did Iraq attack us first? Well, yes and no."

The answer is a categorical NO!
claudo | 12.23.07 - 11:59 am | #

"America" is a spammer (never engages in any discussion) who spams Bill's posts every week. I would be curious to see if the IP addy is linked to a US military or government installation.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:02 pm | #

Let me explain it to you DAVE. Here is what you posted and I will answer your question after your post:

And your agenda here is what Bill ? Do you think if FOX reports "everything" that is going on in Iraq that it will somehow make the "withdrawal" that people like you so dearly desire come any faster ?
Dave | 12.23.07 - 11:55 am | #

Dave: First of all the people like me who want a withdrawal make up 86% of those polled---so it isn't just me.

The reason I post what I post is because FOX NEWS reports only "good" news out of Iraq leaving the impression that everything is peachy keen in Iraq when I show with one story after another that Fox news is lying.

I also post what I do so people will realize there are TV outlets like Fox News who shade the truth. Brit Hume of Fox is notorious for telling only half the story as he did two weeks ago when he bragged about how the Iraqi refugees were returning to Iraq, but BRIT HUME failed to report they were returning because Syria was kicking them out and they had run out of money and couldn't get jobs in Syria.

I could go on and on how FOX NEWS has lied to the Amerian public and are still lying everyday to the American public about the Iraq war.

BILL CORCORAN, bringing the truth about the Iraq war to News Hounds readers.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 12:02 pm | #

LOL, I can't believe there are still idiots who think Iraq had ties to terrorism. "Doesn't matter." Yep, that sums up RW thinking; facts don't matter, they KNOW.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 12:07 pm | #

Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:10 pm | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 12:11 pm | #

Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:11 pm | #

There's trouble in River City:

Shiite leaders oppose expansion of U.S.-backed citizens groups
By Leila Fadel | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007

BAGHDAD — The leader of Iraq's most powerful Shiite Muslim political party warned Friday that the security organizations that American officials credit with helping to cut violence in Iraq must be brought under control

Abdulaziz al Hakim, the head of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq, became the latest Iraqi leader to raise concerns that the U.S.-financed groups, which are predominantly Sunni Muslim and known as awakening councils or "concerned local citizens," could become a potent army capable of challenging the U.S.-backed Shiite-dominated central government.

"We emphasize that it's important that these awakening councils become an aid and an arm to the Iraqi government in its pursuit of criminals and terrorists and not become a substitute for it," Hakim said in a speech that marked the Eid al Adha festival of sacrifice commemorating the end of the annual pilgrimage to Mecca..

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/...tory/ 23567.html

And if the majority Shia groups aren't happy - ain't nobody happy. Looks like 2008 could see an upsurge in sectarian violence.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:12 pm | #

Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:11 pm

The spam is all military propaganda.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:13 pm | #

Wonder if any of the Fox military pundits have contracts with "American Forces Press."
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:14 pm | #

Deleted. Threatening. Reported to his ISP.

Dave is using AOL out of Dulles VA.

172.194.107.107

Dave | 12.23.07 - 12:16 pm | #

The next four years would bring the 1998 US embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the foiled July 1997 plot to bomb the New York Subway system and December 1999 "millennium plot" to attack Seattle, and the USS Cole attack in 2000. Another 240 Americans were killed and more than 4,100 were injured in the combined attacks. More Americans died during all these attacks and the worst we did was launch a couple of cruise missiles into the Afghani desert. Nothing was done to counter the mounting threat against us.
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if the 97 and 99 plots were foiled, how praytell, was "nothing was done to counter the mounting threat against us"
cb | 12.23.07 - 12:17 pm | #

Watch as the dollars are spent on the IRAQ war on this second-by-second "ticker." Then click on your own state and community and you can find out how much of your tax dollars are going to the Iraq war....

http://nationalpriorities.org/cm...g/cms/ costofwar

Consider the costs...

$275 million per day
$4,100 per household
Almost 4,000 U.S. soldiers killed and more than 60,000 wounded
700,000 Iraqis killed and 4 million refugees

BILL CORCORAN, author of this post providing a public service announcement so that everyone knows what the war is costing them.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 12:18 pm | #

"The only thing people like you are interested in is dividing this country"

Yet

"And there isn't a fucking thing that you or any of your asshole liberal buddies can do about it.We're going to win this war regardless of what leftist cretins like you want"

Somebody hates 70% of the country and has some serious anger issues.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:19 pm | #

And Dave, if you do engage in something violent, your post is right here on this blog for the benefit of the prosecution. Just saying...
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:19 pm | #

kre500m | 12.23.07 - 12:19 pm | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 12:19 pm | #

You want my head, Dave? You can try.
Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:21 pm | #

kre500m | 12.23.07 - 12:19 pm

So what do you think of the political situation in Iraq? Are you happy that the new "freedom and democracy" in Iraq persecutes gays and secular women. Are you cool with the Shia death squads who have ties to Iran? How bout the treatment that wounded American soldiers are getting when they return? Any issues with PTSD, suicides, family poverty and dysfunction, and homless vets?
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:22 pm | #

Mendell | 12.23.07 - 10:08 am | #

Sorry to rehash but this sicko has his story backwards the father killed his daughter cause she wanted to be more of a consirvative Muslum not the other way around.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:22 pm | #

ACE | 12.23.07 - 12:22 pm | #

America Proven Winner | 12.23.07 - 12:19 pm

Whom are you spamming for? Simple answer will suffice.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:22 pm | #

ACE | 12.23.07 - 12:22 pm

And your clinical diagnosis is based on which criteria? Your clinical credentials are? But here's the thing, ACE - you post the same drivel every week and it's getting really tiresome. Care to actually engage in discussion without the perfunctory right wing ad-hominems?
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:24 pm | #

ACE | 12.23.07 - 12:22 pm | #

So Ace posting things in the news and showing people things that are really happening are people who are crazy but people like you who reject reality are sane?
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:24 pm | #

theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:24 pm

The 30 percenters who still love their king are truly the "lunatic fringe."
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:25 pm | #

Yep, I've never seen ACE post anything but claims that someone is insane. False claims, at that.
Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:25 pm | #

Alex Thorpe | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:25 pm

Ace is part of the weekly attack Bill goon squad. Wonder who's paying them?
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:26 pm | #

Dave | 12.23.07 - 12:16 pm
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WOW!!! Dave is one mean tough ass sitting behind his keyboard isn't he?
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:26 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:25 pm | #

yep

And I do not even need a degree in medicine to agree with you.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:27 pm | #

America's Proven Liar is posting the "good news" from Iraq that the Bush-hating liberal Fox News will not report.

The fact that it's good news being reported by people with a vested interest in making the news look good is neither here nor there.
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:28 pm | #

NOW THE INSURGENTS ARE GOING AFTER PEOPLE WHO DRINK BOOZE IN BAGHDAD

BLOOD AND ALCOHOL IN BAGHDAD

http://www.goupstate.com/article...10335/1051/ news

BAGHDAD — Blood and ouzo mingled on the sidewalk outside a shattered Baghdad liquor store on Thursday after three people were killed in a car bombing directed at alcohol sellers in one of Baghdad’s most heavily protected areas.

The alcohol sellers, who have expanded their business as security in Baghdad has improved in recent months, were among the few merchants plying their trade during the Muslim holiday celebrating Id al-Adha, the end of the hajj, or annual pilgrimage to Mecca.

But the scattered shrapnel and body parts along Sadoun Street did not appear to have much of an impact on Id al-Adha revelers in the neighborhood, who continued as though it were a normal day, perhaps inured to the sounds and sights of violence for years.

“There are explosions everywhere,” said a man who gave his name only as Mr. Ahmed, gesturing to the heavens. “We believe in God.”

Even as the bomb sent a cloud of black smoke rising into the midafternoon sky, Iraqis kept partying at a social club in Paradise Square a few hundred yards away. Children ran around the lawn while their parents sat at tables listening to the sound system blaring the song “I Want to Know What Love Is.”

BILL CORCORAN, bringing still another story that Fox News won't report to News Hounds readers.
BILL CORCORAN | 12.23.07 - 12:29 pm | #

We tried it your way for 8 years and it ended in a disaster.
Dave | 12.23.07 - 12:16 pm | #

Disaster is right

Booming economy
The world loved the US
National debt getting smaller.
Crime at some of the lowest rates ever

Disaster if you are a privite prison builder
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:29 pm | #

And despite the surge:

But even more scary are the roughly 70,000 Sunni tribal militiamen trained and paid by the United States to fight al Qaeda. No one doubts that they are lying low. Sure, they are happy to shoot at foreign al Qaeda fighters - for now. But many of them, speaking to numerous newspaper and magazine reporters, have openly declared their larger aim: to retake Baghdad and restore Sunni control of Iraq once the Americans leave.

Shiite government leaders know that. As the Sunni troop strength increases, government alarm rises.

"We condemn and reject embracing those terrorist elements," Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's political party declared last month. The Americans had a plan for these Sunni tribesmen. In time, they were to be integrated into the Iraqi security forces. But the Shiite leadership is unwilling to accept them. The government won't even provide uniforms and weaponry or services to the Sunni militiamen. The Shiite leadership and Sunni tribal militia are, effectively, already at war.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar...3/ ED6BU1HE8.DTL

For the those who think the war is just a fun GI Joe doll thing, the ramifications of this mean nothing cuz it's all good in Bushworld.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:30 pm | #

theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:29 pm

And an America that was once respected is now a "pariah" nation loathed and feared by the rest of the world.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:30 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:30 pm | #

Halo III is out just in time for Christmas so the Trolls can keep that touph feeling all the way through the last 400 days of Bush
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:31 pm | #

"And if push comes to shove I'll cut your fucking head off to save it from the likes of you."

oh yes, the lunatic rightwing whackos have arrived.

Christmas wishes to you sir and lots of little kisses!
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:32 pm | #

Posting troll IP addresses would be helpful. Ellen posted one last week that was linked to an American AirForce base in Britain.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:32 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:32 pm | #

Interesting. Newshounds is banned on most military networks. One has to wonder how that troll was alowed to post here.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:33 pm | #

Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:32 pm

If a student in a local school made that kind of comment both police and social services would be alerted.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:33 pm | #

theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:33 pm

The military does allow "certain" blogs which are all pro-Bush and pro-war. I'm sure that an allowance is made for posting on blogs that disagree with the administration and the adminsitration's network - Fox News.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:34 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:33 pm | #

MT sends a copy of all death threats to the IP in question.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:34 pm | #

And an America that was once respected is now a "pariah" nation loathed and feared by the rest of the world.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:30 pm | #
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Fucking move then lib-tard loser. The nation will certainly be a better place without a washed up liberal Anti-American misfit like you in it anymore.

Eh?
. | 12.23.07 - 12:35 pm | #

theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:34 pm

And hopefully, if they're really violent, the FBI.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:35 pm | #

. | 12.23.07 - 12:35 pm | #

You must be a Christian

Happy Holidays to you.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:36 pm | #

Didn't anyone find this funny?
"Why is that polls of 1,000 people are valid ... FOX's viewership is in the millions you scoff at it and dismiss it?"

The idiot apparently knows nothing about even the most basic statistics. Polls are designed, via questions, to represent a cross section of America. 1000 is a statistically valid number of respondents (IIRC, ~900 is minimum needed).
For example, I was thrilled to get a pollster the other day because they never call me. Yet when he found out I was a white middle-aged man the call ended. Why? Because he already had enough white middle-aged men.

Now if you want to what the really old and brain-dead believe, then, yea, Faux is a valid resource.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 12:36 pm | #

. | 12.23.07 - 12:35 pm | #

Hi Enrico! Happy Holidays and lots of Merry Christmas kisses from the dark lord!
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:37 pm | #

. | 12.23.07 - 12:35 pm

At leasty WE care about the welfare of the USA...

which is a hell of a lot more than YOU can claim....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:37 pm | #

Eh?
. | 12.23.07 - 12:35 pm

Oh goodie - he's back and I'll do a pre-emptive strike:

And yet you feel you must respond. You should take the moderators' advice and just ignore me. If everyone did that, I WOULD go away.

Eh?
Libsmacker | Homepage | 10.16.07 - 3:00 pm

N.B. - periodboy is above poster who has been trolling this blog for over two years. Sad.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:38 pm | #

Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:37 pm | #

Normally that "great minds think a like" expression comes to mind when posting the same thing at the same time but…

you are Satan and that would make me in league with Satan.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:39 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:38 pm |

Has it really been two years? Wow, I remember Enrico and I was trying to remember what he originally posted as but there have been so many names and so many idiotic posts I couldn't.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 12:40 pm | #

radmod | 12.23.07 - 12:40 pm

Goob.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:41 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:38 pm |
radmod | 12.23.07 - 12:40 pm | #

Goob has been from the beginning.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:41 pm | #

In the city of Mosul, a roadside bomb targeting a police convoy killed a civilian and injured five police officers, officials told the Kuwait News Agency, KUNA. Elsewhere in the city, an Iraqi army officer was killed by a sniper and insurgents blew up the house of a municipal official who wasn't home.

A gunfight in the city of Kirkuk between police and guerrillas resulted in the deaths of two insurgents, two injured police officers and one arrest, police said

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top...hern_iraq/1704/

Thought everything was hunky dory in the north.
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:42 pm | #

lol theroachman.

The rightwing nuts posting today are just killing time before their Christmas issue of Soldier of Fortune magazine arrives and they get a gift in the mail from Rotten.com for all the visits they've made over the years with kleenex in hand.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:43 pm | #

Scientists: Brain injuries from war worse than thought

By Gregg Zoroya, USA TODAY
Scientists trying to understand traumatic brain injury from bomb blasts are finding the wound more insidious than they once thought.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/wor...- injuries_N.htm

but it's all good....
claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:46 pm | #

claudo | 12.23.07 - 12:46 pm | #

They have the VA to help them. Just like the Homeless vet with the missing leg I gave a donation to yesterday.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:48 pm | #

We must be winning in Iraq. Proof? The British are leaving and now the Australians are leaving: http://www.crooksandliars.com/20...ps-by-mid-2008/

But we still have Poland. When Poland leaves, we can finally say "Mission Accomplished. Really.".

Eh? Hole.

Eh?
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 12:51 pm | #

Ah, yes, 'goob'. Always thought that was a stupid, but apropos name.
radmod | 12.23.07 - 12:53 pm | #

Since this is about Iraq and, ostensibly, about 'winning' I propose the following:

One of the reasons that our vets get no respect for Korea and 'Nam is that we never had a VK or VV day. However, supposedly we won in Iraq. I propose the following Congressionally mandated day:
Henceforth, May 1st shall be called "Victory in Iraq" Day, or VI Day. (May 1st being Dubya's oh-so-famous "Mission Accomplished" stunt)
radmod | 12.23.07 - 12:57 pm | #

Natering naybobs of negativism!!
Krusty the clown | 12.23.07 - 1:04 pm | #

Krusty the clown | 12.23.07 - 1:04 pm

No.

Realism vs. delusion....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:10 pm | #

Yes, the nabobs ... but when up against the Hairbrained Harpies of Happy Talk, I'll cast my lot with the Nabobs any day.

Moron.
Satan | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:16 pm | #

Realism vs. delusion....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:10 pm | #
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Yes you are quite delusional.

It is a pity the leftists here listen to a third world taco eating wetback like you but it is certainly to be expected in this strange little spot on the internet. Funny how you third world lunatics think your opinion somehow matters.
Pedro | 12.23.07 - 1:19 pm | #

Pedro | 12.23.07 - 1:19 pm

It is YOU who is delusional, wallowing in a brainwashed fantasy spoonfed to you by your neoconartist masters...

YOU have nothing legitimate to counter with; merely able to resort to ad hominem personal attacks which, sadly, only serve to reveal YOU for the silly, brainwashed payaso that you are....
Hayduke--hasta la victoria! | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:28 pm | #

Pedro | 12.23.07 - 1:19 pm | #

Well we certainly are not going to treat a racist ahole of the likes of you with any respect.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:29 pm | #

U.S. General Says Iraq Violence at Lowest Levels Since 2004
Sunday, December 16, 2007

BAGHDAD — Violence in Iraq is at its lowest levels since the first year of the American invasion, finally opening a window for reconciliation among rival sects, the second-ranking U.S. general said Sunday as Iraqi forces formally took control of security across half the country.

Lt. Gen. Ray Odierno, the man responsible for the ground campaign in Iraq, said that the first six months of 2007 were probably the most violent period since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. The past six months, however, had seen some of the lowest levels of violence since the conflict began, Odierno said, attributing the change to an increase in both American troops and better-trained Iraqi forces.

"I feel we are back in '03 and early '04. Frankly I was here then, and the environment is about the same in terms of security in my opinion," he said. "What is different from then is that the Iraqi security forces are significantly more mature."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/ 0,2...,317025,00.html

Fill your Stocking BILL!!!!
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:32 pm | #

Funny how you third world lunatics think your opinion somehow matters.
Pedro | 12.23.07 - 1:19 pm
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LOL. You're the delusional one.

Opinions of "third world taco eating wetbacks" like us does NOT matter. We know that. If it did, we would not be ear-deep this shithole in Iraq.
Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:33 pm | #

I've read before on here the RWer's say one reason the US is fighting in the ME is to help Israel exist and live in peace.

Well I don't think Israel wants peace. They rejected a cease fire with Hamas.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22376702/

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john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:34 pm | #

Abby | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:33 pm | #

Come on now former Attorney General Gonzales was named attorney of the year after all.
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:34 pm | #

U.S. Forces to Hand Control of Karbala Over to Iraqis on Monday
Saturday, October 27, 2007

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2...=fnc.world/ iraq
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:35 pm | #

Here You Go LIAR BILL, Pick A Story From FOX NEWS On Iraq:

NEWS ON IRAQTranscript: Gen. David Petraeus on 'FOX News Sunday'
Pentagon Boosting Efforts to Get Weapons to Iraqi Military
U.S., Turkish Military Officials Try for Better Communications Following Weekend Bombing in Iraq
UK Military Forces Transfer Security Control of Southern Iraq to Native Forces
Turkish Jets Strike Kurdish Rebel Targets in Northern Iraq
Triple Car Bombings Kill 26, Wound 100 in Shiite City in Iraq
Congress Moving Closer to Iraq War Funding Compromise
Report: Iraqi Security, Law Enforcement Officials Disappear in U.S.
Lawsuit Claims Blackwater Guards Abandoned Post on Day of Shootings, Used Steroids
Zarqawi Map Aided Successes Against Iraqi Insurgency
U.S. Grand Jury Investigates Blackwater Shooting Incident in Baghdad
Thousands Returning to a Safer Baghdad
'60 Minutes' Identifies 'Curve Ball' Source Who Led U.S. to Invade Iraq
U.S. Forces to Hand Control of Karbala Over to Iraqis on Monday
Iraqi Delegation Tries to Defuse Tensions With Turkey Over Rebels

http://www.foxnews.com/world/ira...iraq/ index.html
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:36 pm | #

Fox reports, News hounds Deny and lie.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:37 pm | #

Krusty the clown | 12.23.07 - 1:04 pm

Pedro | 12.23.07 - 1:19 pm | #

That's right you two just go tip toe through the tulips. Iraq is now a place that makes even the tele tubbies envious and we're all pretty sure you guys have your tickets to Iraq to go on that vagabonding trip around the country with your I love Bush t-shirt. Sent us a post card will you. Oh if you really want to have fun drive up to a check point really fast the guards will love your joke.
Free Speech | 12.23.07 - 1:38 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:37 pm | #

Actually the liars would be all of those other sources link to in the original post.

Maybe you should review them rather than post the same damn links you have been posting here for over a month now?
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:39 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:36 pm
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Hey dumbass, you're just proving Bill's point. It's all good in Iraq according to Fox.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:39 pm | #

Above you will see 15 stories on or about Iraq. Yet liar Bill denies that FOX reports on Iraq.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:39 pm | #

Well Bill, the news site you are looking for is here:

http://www.sott.com

news and opinion gathered from correspondents "on the ground" from all over the world. Makes for a much more accurate picture ("reality-based" ha, ha) than the fantasy spin of the Faux News syncophants.

Check it out.
Sariade | 12.23.07 - 1:39 pm | #

Hey dumbass, you're just proving Bill's point. It's all good in Iraq according to Fox.
john t | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:39 pm | #

Hrey numbnuts it is going good in Iraq! Ask CNN, MBNBC, CBS.
Admit that you left weing loonies bet on the wrong horse again.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:40 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:36 pm | #

FYI

that post there is really not "good news"

These are the kinds of problems that results from having a poorly functioning government. Such as the one headed by king george
theroachman | Homepage | 12.23.07 - 1:41 pm | #

Fox reports, News hounds Deny and lie.
Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:37 pm |

People tire of all the lies from the loony left. Air America here in Eugene Oregon went off the air due to having 12 listeners. Eugene is a very liberal area.
Charles | 12.23.07 - 1:42 pm | #

Matadore | 12.23.07 - 1:40 pm | #

And your plan ticket to Iraq is ready too. Will you be wearing your I love Dick t-shirt? But make sure you have his