For those who missed it:
"All I know is that I am in opposition to all conservative governments, so I probably will have to oppose this one. Family Guy was great before it wen off the air in 2000 but now it is crap, the same could be said for Chavez.", Flanker 2009
hahahahahaahahahahahahaha
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/
20091...ezuela_chavez_1
""Some people sing in the shower, in the shower half an hour. No kids, three minutes is more than enough. I've counted, three minutes, and I don't stink," he said during a televised Cabinet meeting.
"If you are going to lie back, in the bath, with the soap and you turn on the what's it called, the Jacuzzi ... imagine that, what kind of communism is that? We're not in times of Jacuzzi," he said, to laughter from his ministers."
Whaaaaaa??? communism??? When did Chavez change from socialism to communism?
LOL @ time to take a shower....only Chavez!
"Some people sing in the shower, in the shower half an hour. No kids, three minutes is more than enough. I've counted, three minutes, and I don't stink," he said during a televised Cabinet meeting.
"If you are going to lie back, in the bath, with the soap and you turn on the what's it called, the Jacuzzi ... imagine that, what kind of communism is that? We're not in times of Jacuzzi," he said, to laughter from his ministers.""
The main thing this shows is that being in Miraflores for a long time is starting to make Chavez out of touch with how most Venezuelans live. A significant number have no plumbing at all and taking a shower is pouring water on yourself from a plastic container. So they don't use electricity. Moreover they certainly have no hot water heaters.
Even more formal houses mainly have blue tanks on the roofs that simply use gravity to have it drop through a shower and they too don't have water heaters (I don't think I've ever been in a home in Vnzla that had hot water). So their showers, no matter how long, have nothing to do with power consumption.
Any leader, when they spend all their time sleeping in a presidential palace or fancy hotels invariably lose touch with normal life.
"(I don't think I've ever been in a home in Vnzla that had hot water)."
As many times as I've been to Venezuela, either in a hotel or my wife's mothers aptmt, I've NEVER had a hot shower in Venezuela....maybe luke warm, but never hot.
Is it still legal to flush after each bowel movement or has he already passed a decree whereas the bowl needs to be overflowing with crap in order for you to legally flush? The guy is a clown.
Next he will be limiting you to 2 or 3 squares per crap....to conserve paper.
I'm watching Globo and a Lopez chick is the "Presidenta del Comite de Apagones". Only in Venezuela...hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
BTW, Tosh will be out of pocket since he will be teaching young men how to bathe in 3 minutes?
"BTW, Tosh will be out of pocket since he will be teaching young men how to bathe in 3 minutes?"
Tosh will probably tell them to follow his example and take only one bath per month whether they need it not!!! LOL
Perhaps one of the most important things we need to think about here is:
Hugo has a popularity that is around 50 to 60%, there is no one Venezuelans appreciate more.
This tells us a lot not only about that 50 to 60% of the population but about what the 50 to 40% of the rest has to offer.
Somos una nacion de parasitos que no sabe proponer, organizar y, mas aun, lleva a cabo algo completo que no sea juerga.
Kepler says that:
"Hugo has a popularity that is around 50 to 60%, there is no one Venezuelans appreciate more"
But this is not correct.His popularity is far less(all reliable polls give him under 50 % at this moment) and many of his "followers" do not appreciate him anymore for various reasons.The word 'appreciation ' is incorrectly used here.It is more that many think they USE Chave for their own benefit.
I personally find it strange that someone who thinks like this and publishes it, would then find it illogical that folks from EU and USA would be pro Chavez.
Firepigette, are the cookies burning? how are the flowers in your garden?
Perfect example of finding excuses..
I'm sure the reason there are 40 murders every weekend in Caracas is GTAIV or Resident Evil and NOT the lack of education and implementation of the law.
40?
"40?"
Kepler, He's trying to be optomistic...
Now watch some member of the asamblea become the sole importer of these supposedly violent games, and selling them like crack for 5 times the price.
Well, perhaps 40 is the number.
OW,
I'm very anti-abortion (Anglo-Catholic by religion) so Chavez absolutely _should_ forbid abortions for non medical reasons. That he has refused to cave in to pressures by "liberal feminists" (who are really just another form of American liberal-capitalist influence) is a very GOOD thing. That he tends to be socially conservative is also a good thing: socialism requires a moral society. As for video games, Chavez is right: real Socialism is about hard work, self-discipline, sacrifice, and devotion to the common good, not about video games, scotch, jacuzzis and br**st implants.
I am pro gay rights though, and support gay marriages in America, but Venezuela being a mostly Catholic society, it would probably be better to stick with civil unions.
Hector
you say:" Chavez is right: real Socialism is about hard work, self-discipline, sacrifice, and devotion to the common good"
Then why does he believe in throwing money to the poor instead of creating jobs ?
Why does he not clean their streets of crime so that they can have the peace of mind and the freedom to help themselves?
It takes a class snob to think that the poor are not capable of hard work and devotion to the common good.
Or do you think the job of permanent recipient is devotion to others?
Social conservatism is fine.I am one as well in some ways.But do we have the right to impose so much on others, like the little fascist Chavez is?
yeah with a $1.5B discretionary budget Chavez looks like such a good spirit.
Well, since the banning of these entertaining murder games is a freedom-of-speech no-no, let's have a game that let's us entertain ourselves by killing ... vicariously on video ... CIA agents and GOP members of congress.
Would that be alright, like the video killing of Venezuelans?
Most US citizens will love to play this CIA agents and GOP congress-members game, if they had a choice.
Surely, the US Patriot Act which bans the public endorsement of terrorism is not an obstacle to an anti-CIA and an anti-GOP video game, intended for FUN only.
After all, there of a number of studies that say that video games don't translate into real violence. So, what could be wrong with a game where we could simulate killing CIA agents and GOP members of congress?
There are also studies that show that commercial ads don't influence consumer behavior. Vendors are most distressed by these studies.
We all know that the converse is true ... that is, propaganda in favor of divine being (s) don't promote faith and ethics. Rather, such propaganda seems to extinguish faith and ethics. And. understandably so.
As for social and political targeting, all of these games target some group.
As for the contention that Venezuelans in general lack the greater personal worth of CIA agents and GOP congresspersons, that's a questionable proposition ... to say the least.
Media violence justifies, excuses, rationalizes, and trivializes real violence even if media violence doesn't immediately cause real violence. Otherwise ... free speechers ... don't object to Nazi Minister Joseph Goeppels who said "The rats are overpopulated."
Remember before you appaud, Goeppels believed we are rats.
These games make a game out of de-population.
The only reason why Goeppels didn't put out killer video games in the 30s and 40s is he didn't know how.
Goeppels? Was that the anti-Swabian version of Goebbels?
Belial,
You obviously don't know jack shit about what you are saying. There are PLENTY of games where you get to kill CIA, FBI and all kinds of "imperialist" agents.
Heck there are games where you can destroy and kill your way trough police stations that are almost exact to the real thing...
Tank, you may be right. But who knows, for this is difficult question.
I'm talking about a game that kills CIA agents and GOP members of congress ... "open season" like ... NOT as a mere incidents a crime. I'm talking about a game that specifically targets CIA agents and GOP congress-members merely because of or exclusively because of they are CIA and congressional on the GOP side.
Similar to the killing of Venezuelans largely because they're Venezuelans ... with some transparent pretexts, of course, to provide cover for homicidal gratification that the anti-Venezuelan games provides.
This difference between incidental killings in the furtherance of other criminal projects and targeted killings at a described group as the criminal project itself may be a bit technical or abstract, but ... still ... it's what I had in mind.
If you know of such games that fix as the goal the elimination of imperialist agents on the mere ground of their status as imperialist agents, not because they are obstacles to the realization of some criminal project that has little to do with their professional status of imperialist agents, then ... Yank ... share this info or these links, because an audience awaits to indulge in this kind of pastime.
Yank, this is a sure thing. We can all get rich.
Belial | 10.28.09 - 6:42 pm | #As Tank said earlier, those games have been around for a long time.
It's beside the point that violent video games do not beget more violence.
The problem with the "there ought to be a law..." crowd, otherwise called "etatists" or adorers of the state, is that they tend to go from knowing little about the world, to not knowing jack about the world and worse, being proud and righteous in their ignorance.
Their not taking REALITY into account, is what makes it possible for these people to believe that they can legislate goodness into society. They can't. They usually produce the opposite effect.
It's called the law of unintended consequences. It's the kind of thing that almost makes me believe there is a God. that He has a sense of humour, and that He cares enough about humans to make totalitarianism of any kind impossible, and attempts at it oddly comical.
This so-called ban will in effect be worse than useless. Simply put, IT WILL NEVER EVER TAKE A SINGLE COPY OF A VIOLENT VIDEOGAME OFF A SINGLE COMPUTER. It will effectively ban the legally purchased versions.
But most if not all Venezuelans download or buy pirated copies. Same for the toys. They will be sold by buhoneros just the same.
Belial,
There are those kind of games, and worse. Its also been proven that there is no statistical or psychological correlation between gaming and actual crimes.
Miss-informed people like you are what has given governments (not only the Venezuelan) excuses to blame their shortcomings in education and security on petty things such as games.
Want to blame something for the murder rate in Venezuela?
Maybe a lack of education? gun control? corruption? mismanagement? lack of a proper justice system? How about the aggressive behavior or the leaders?
Nah.. lets just blame video games and violent movies... its easier.
"Its also been proven that there is no statistical or psychological correlation between gaming and actual crimes," says ElTANK.
TANK, we can show plenty of correlations between the media and the street. The question is whether correlations constitute proof, that is, show a necessary connection between the things that correlate.
TANK, you sound as if you identify causality and correlation. So, if one can't show cause, he also can't show correlation. A determination of causality or necessity in the social and psycho spheres is quite rare, so we generally settle with some probabilisitc or correlational stuff.
Belial,
stop making an ass of yourself by grasping at rhetorical straws. Their is MAJOR CONSENSUS in psychology and sociology faculties around the world that Video Games or Heavy Metal Music have *no correlation* with violent behavior.
You want to doubt scientific findings? You propose substituting knowledge with public intuition? If you want to argue AGAINST the scientific community, don't stop there. Try'n be consistent and say you don't believe science has proved global warming to exist, say heissenberg's principle is purely speculative and that we clearly never walked on the moon.
You can't have the cake and eat it. If you deny scientific proof for this, you have to deny evolution too (and a bunch of other things). Heck, you could also say you weren't sure atoms exist or what form they have...
Belial,
Im just pointing out that you dont know anything about what you are saying in relationship to videogames. I have no interest in derailing the topic and discussing things you could go ahead and google.
Crime in Venezuela has little (if any) relationship to gaming and a lot to inpunity, lack of education and poor governance.
Oh come on, you guys. You're all a bunch of fascists that refuse to acknowledge that Caracas está cada vez más 'Segura' after the banning of evil and dangerous video games...
http://www.eluniversal.com/2009/
...1A2982091.shtml
I wonder if someone has an idea about how many PSFs stopped working for Venezuelanalysis, what their average age is and their social background.
Is this blog officially shut down? I guess that Tosh coming in and spewing his non-sense kept it going for a few months. Now, he can't even come up with excuses for the mess the country is in. Or could it be that he cannot connect since he is out of power? hahahahahahahaha!!!
Hey Tosh,
What's the party line for the latest antics by Chavez? What's the reasoning for telling everyone to prepare for war with Colombia?
I look forward to hearing your response, assuming you're still employed.
Well, maybe the Government stopped paying the PSFs just like PDVSA did to its suppliers. Ahora Venezuela es otra chamo.
Things must be boringly calm in Venezuela, as the main things to happen over the past three weeks regard video games and PSF's
The slimy pro-imperialist garbage are determined to absolve culture from its own deliberately-generated consequences.
Therefore, if a decadent and utterly rotten culture, say in NYC, glorifies wanton violence in every nook and corner of its media and the culture correspondingly is saturated with wanton violence, the stinking pro-imperialist garbage shouts "There is no correlation. There is no causality."
This decadence or scum of bourgeois society evidently don't want to lose their precious killer games. After all, in the ethics of decadent trash, the governing moral principle is "Genocide is fun"
in both the virtual and real world.
Belial,
I was going to mock your message and your style, but I don't want to exacerbate the pain you must be going through on the 20th anniversary of the Berlin wall coming down.
I hope you can get past it very soon.
The omniscient in several posts, above, referred to my lack of knowledge about their beloved video games that afford them the opportunity to display the a kind of fearlessness that never surfaces in their actual lives.
Evidently, their video games are now a matter that requires a special expertise and omniscience over the field, an expertise which only those who aspire to an exclusively virtual fearlessness possess.
The basic and spurious premise of these ranting omniscient personalities is that there is no connection between suggestion and behavior. Therefore, if the games suggest something and many game-players [although not all of them] behave as the game suggests, this resemblance between some game-players and the game proves nothing to the virtually omniscient and virtually fearless who rant in the name of free speech.
In other words, slime isn't slimy.
Erm, no:
It ain't about imperialism, jackass. Anybody willing to believe in science and study the last 50 years of research (like Bandura's "vicarious learning" and other theories you've never heard of) would know this correleation does not exist.
Your ridiculous, anti-scientific, intuitive approach demonstrates your total ignorance about scientific research: according to your theory, if 80% of violent criminals drank Coke before committing felonies, we should ban the drink.
Did Belial write those posts on crack?
According to Panorama newspaper Venezuelan rice production is down 7% this year.
I've seen other food production being reported as being down but now it definitely seems to be a pattern.
An overvalued currency and declining subsidies are starting to catch up with them.
"An overvalued currency and declining subsidies are starting to catch up with them.
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Oil prices have risen to the high 70's so I imagine that Chavez is again about to be drowning in cash that he will blow however he sees fit...
These oil prices are keeping them from collapsing but aren't enough to help them grow. Remember, due to a fixed exchange rate what is $70 oil today is only worth about as much as $40 oil was worth to them in 2005. And of course they have much broader expenses now than they had then. In other words it isn't just that the State workers cost much more in dollars terms than they used to because of the fixed exchange rate but there are many more State workers than their used to be.
That is why even though oil has recovered to a large extent (but it is pretty clear this is a mini bubble which will just crash again - google Roubini and see what he points out on this) they are going crazy issuing debt left and right.
$60 or even $70 oil just isn't enough for them anymore. That is the true measure of how bad their economic policies are.
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