The one good thing to say is that these attacks and the ones in London are finally getting people to see them for what they are and all people, including the silent majority of Muslims, are finally beginning to speak out against them.
I am so sorry to hear of this terrible murder.
The contrast could not be more clear. American soldiers were handing out sweets to joyful Iraqi children. Terrorists killed them all with a car bomb. As Tony Blair said, "It is through terrorism that the people that have committed this terrible act express their values..."
p.s. Here the 100+ page report on exactly how the USA rebuilding money is being spent in Iraq.
http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/r...7/jul2005/html/
Have you seen this web site:
http://werenotafraid.com/
I am so saddened by this news. The cowardice and evil of these morons continues to come into focus. They are however, digging their own graves with this outrageous, barbaric behavior. They will be further isolated and reviled by the good citizens of Iraq and the world.
some good news:
I too am sorry for these families. The terrorists have also killed a part deep within the surviving family members by taking away their babies. God help those parents and all Iraqis having to live through this nightmare.
The hand of justice has a very far reach.
ooops, lets try the link again.
Zarcowpee's main man in Baghdad Goes Dooooooown!
This attack was disgusting and appalling.
Our condolences to the people of Iraq on the loss of innocent children. We in America mourn their loss with you, and I am sure our military men and women will be doing their best to work with Iraqi authorities to find all the perpetrators, from the bomb-maker to the financers to the planners.
God bless the little children!
How utterly sad to have a belief that killing harmless babes is a way to heaven??????
Well, the good, sane discussion lasted a whole 7 posts. Omar and Mohammad. Are you listening? Do something about these creeps that are working against the cause you hold so dear.
Sadly, there will be the Islamonazi types that will condone this attack.
It's already happened in England:
London Islamist: No Civilians Under Islamic Law
The director of London’s Al-Maqreze Centre for Historical Studies, Hani Sibai, says there are no “civilians” in Islamic law, and that the London bombings were a great victory for Al Qaeda.
God that is terrible.
Now I dont want to inflame people but it angers me that we where not prepared for this kind of thing. I understand it is impossible for sane people to picture that someone might be more than happy to blow up 100 children in order to kill one American but we have seen before the terrorists willingness to do this. How about some more security at these events? I would not be surprised to see the Americans getting the blame for this. I am assuming that we had bad security at the event though, perhaps I am wrong and the bomber just got through it. *shrugs*
But, hopefully the voices of Mohammed
and Omar and Ali will rise above the din of idiocy, and even those who live in difficult situations like Iraqi Blogger Free Writer can rise above the madness:
The In T View: Live From Mosul, It's Free Writer
Excerpts: Mosul - War Zone:
MG: ~ Free Writer, you live in Mosul, a
City Under Siege: What is that like?
Free Writer: Always frightened, from explosions, kidnapping, random fire, terrorist actions and all other bad things in your
nightmares, and you have to go to sleep at 9 PM
on the roof because we have no electricity to
see TV. Or running computer or to sleep in cold environment.
MG: ~ Have you or any of your family members had any encounters with the Terrorists/Insurgents?
Free Writer: Thanks God.. Not yet, I want
to stay in one piece.
MG: ~ What Precautions do You or your Family Members take to keep away From Danger?
Free Writer: Keeping doors locked, looking around and suspecting any strange movements or when seeing strangers
MG: ~ Do you ever get use to the Sound of Explosions?
Free Writer: All Iraqi’s get use to the
ugly sound of explosion from 30 years ago and
till now.
MG: ~ Have you Lost Trust in your Neighbors, worried that they might be Insurgent Supporters or Sympathizers?
Free Writer: No
MG: ~ What was Mosul like before the War?
Free Writer: It was safe, clean, and people were keeping in touch together.
MG: ~ What is Mosul like Now?
Free Writer: Not safe, Dirty, curfew prevented us from seeing friends and relatives.
MG: Are you Happy the U.S. invaded Iraq and removed Saddam and the Baathists, or was life better back then?
Free Writer: Every one in Iraq was happy to remove that man, and the new government must do the best for improving Iraqi lives' conditions to prevent others (like you of course ) from asking such a silly question.
Omar and Mo,
I love the Infidel T Shirt ad
you have over on the side. Do you have to pay extra to have the Model wearing it sent to you?
As I read about the murder of Iraqi children today, I was reminded of another act by evil bastards. In Vietnam the VC stopped a bus, took a 12 year old girl and while two VC held her arms extended, a third chopped off her arms. It was no accident that a child was chosen in Vietnam and I doubt it was an accident in Iraq. The sick bastards want to terrorize parents by killing children.
We have a law against using cruel and unusual punishment. My interpretation would be that the guilty can not be punished in a manner that is more cruel or unusual then the act for which they are being punished.
When the terrorists are caught, I hope that their punishment fits their crime. Death by hanging is to honorable for scum that kill children. So damn insane set this up while he still had the power to do so. The money that he stole from the people is being used to finance some of these attacks. When he and his ilk are found guilty, I hope that their punishment is that they are beaten with a small rod by any parent who has lost a child or had a child injured by their evil acts. One parent for one hour in the morning and one parent for one hour in the afternoon. If a parent is not able to administer the beating, they may use a proxy. Only after the parents have stopped coming should the sick bastards be be executed. May Saddam Hussein and his kind live for many years and receive thousands of beatings.
I don't understand how murderers who kill their people and the future of a country can be called resistance. stupid western journalists.
I'm so sad for these news.
Harry,
I'd be willing to bet this op was performed by Al Queda foriegn terrorists, who don't care who they kill, as long as it advances their goal of a world wide extremist islamic caliphate, by whatever means necessary. That would be a world wide "state" like afghanistan under the taliban.
Omar,
They are all cowards and will not enter the kingdom of heaven and they will not be allowed the fruits they think they deserve! I am glad to see that you are calling them what they are! TERRORISTS!
Haloscan going nuts again folks!
Maybe this is why the "noble holy" warriors have to target children
Bob, I know they are al qaeda members and of course they are not iraqis. but just for this reason they can't be called resistance as many western journalists do. they are foreigners. and terrorists.
Harry
I agree with you!!
· Sweet 16 year old Atefeh Rajabi was publicly hanged in the city centre in Neka in Iran on 15 August 2004 for "acts incompatible with chastity".
· In April this year, Amina was publicly stoned to death in Argu district, Afghanistan after being accused of adultery by her husband.
· This month, physicians have been beaten for treating female patients and women have been brutally attacked for not being veiled in Basra, Iraq.
The list is endless.
These examples are only some of the most visible and heinous aspects of the situation of women and girls living in Islam-stricken societies and under Islamic laws - burqa-clad and veiled, bound and gagged, and without rights.
It is truly the outrage of the 21st century.
perfectly normal day for the leftissts, don't do anything to stop or prevent it, stare silently after it happens and then line up around the block to apologize for it like we did it.
becuase if they don't pay it that way the REAL war will be lost and BUSH will win!! Oh! Can't have that!!!
screbernica...Iraq..somalia..30 MILLION "abortions"..Darfur. Take your pick.
As long as you have the "class war" to rationalize your atrocity you can kill kids all day. La dee da!
Don't kid yourselves troll creeps, we know ALLLLL about it.
Allah,God, Whomever, please help us end this shit.
Increasingly we Westerners resemble the Eloi of H.G. Wells' The Time Machine, beautiful, gentle, highly civilized hedonists whose fate is to be devoured raw by the brutal Morlocks. We are the beneficiaries of a culture created by those before us who forged European civilization in the fires of resistance to Islamic jihad: in Spain, in Sicily, in Eastern Europe, in Greece -- the plunder, rape, slaughter, massacres, sacks, kidnapping, and enslavement perpetrated by the armies of Allah were for centuries fought by those whose names now most Westerners have forgotten or would be embarrassed to claim as their own. Don John, Charles Martel, Leo the Isaurian, Prince Eugene, Montecuccoli, Andrea Doria, El Cid, Sobieski, Charlemagne, Suvorov, Boucicaut, Hunyadi, Fernando II of Castile, Alfonso I of Aragon, Guiscard, Harold Hardrada -- who among us knows anything about the men who fought and killed so that Europe, and Europe's offspring America, today looks like Europe and America instead of looking like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or Syria?
Because of the brutal violence of those warriors against jihad, we in the West today enjoy the luxury of cynicism, cheap irony, effete tolerance, and hedonism. We moral dwarves stand on the shoulders of those giants and spit on their heads, thinking our ingratitude is really an intellectual sophistication superior to the primitive superstitions and naďve ideals that have made our lives of freedom and prosperity possible. Meanwhile jihad by other means -- demography, immigration, terrorism, the oil weapon -- continues apace, at least until the time when a nuclear, chemical, or biological weapon falls into the hands of a modern jihadist and we are returned to the sort of slaughter our ancestors suffered for centuries. Maybe then we'll wake up.
Will it take that? Must an entire American city lie in smoking ruins, or its population lay dying in the streets from some plague, before we get serious?
In the wake of the London atrocities, there is no time left to mince further words. Or actions. We must begin to place blame where it is due, and respond accordingly. It is time to hold the Muslim world to account for -- at the very least -- condoning the monsters in their midst. It is time for us to reiterate to them the words of moral clarity that President Bush uttered in the smoking aftermath of 9/11: "Either you are with us, or you are against us."
And to show them, in blunt action, that we really do mean business.
P2, will will have to kill ALL the terrorists before this is over. They are on a mission from Allah and will not be reasoned with, bought off, or persuaded. That is Why the battle will ultimatly be won by the Iraqi's. Omar, Mohammed, Ali and their children will be the decisive weapon in the WoT. Killing Terrorists is fun and easy, it's seperating them from the herda of Muslims that is difficult. Only other Muslims can do that. The down side is that it will take at least 1 generation to get All the Muslims that think there is something wrong with killing Children to act together against the terrs.
Killing Terrorists is fun and easy, it's seperating them from the herds of Muslims that is difficult.
Stehpinkeln | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:46 am | #
It is fundamental to good systems design that it is far preferable to make problems go away by good design rather than complicating the design by attacking those problems explicitly.
In this case, the correct approach is obvious: it is not necessary (or possible) to "separate" terrorists from the "herd". Just kill them all. Problem solved.
Once again I find myself extending sympathies in the wake of an Al Qaeda attack. This attack was particularly horrendous as it targeted innocent children.
There is no defense for this act and it is time the world stood together and exposed these criminals and take away their anonymity. We can only do this together. It is more then just a military solution that is needed.
On a side note:
Engineer is an obvious troll hoping to start a flame war. I'll help lift the rock and he can crawl back where he came from.
And, in today's Newspaper Follies competition, we have
422.html">What the Post's headline writer wishes he'd said. It sounds to me like Mr. Feith might have had some useful insights, too bad we got so much to the reporter's opinion instead of his insights.
Ok, once again. Sorry.
422.html">What the Post's headline writer wishes he'd said
ok, one more time, and if it doesn't work, I quit. It prints up properly on my screen.
What the Post wished he'd said
Vertical pisser & fiends,
The logical extension of the WoT is to 'bring it home' and eliminate liberals, muslims and whoever you don't like. The sick crusaders insects who Omar hosts at this site may certainly turn America and Europe into a bloody mess as it has happened before.
In 1209 Pope Innocent III ((1160?-1216), pope (1198-1216)) preached a great crusade against the French rebels. This has gone down in history as the Albigensian crusade, one of the bloodiest chapters in Christianity's past. Half of France was exterminated. When the papal legate was asked how heretics were to be distinguished from the faithful, he replied, "Kill them all; God will know his own."
Given your gruesome hate it seems like a real possiblity.
What I can't understand is why Omar allows hate to propagate on his blog!
For the children of Iraq I have no doubt, without fear you will defend your country to the death. My condolences to those families who suffer from their profound loss.
anon
yawn! please add more hysteria and some bold type
Sharp Hooters,
Put a sock-puppet in it.
It's just too sad to put into words. We can only hope tha this supply of totalitarian fascist pigs willing to blow themselves up in order to hit "strategic targets" will sometime come to an end. We will have caught two birds with one stone: the end of the mayhem and the end of the pigs.
Don't give up!
Dear Mohammed and Omar:
I too, am horrified that anybody would stoop so low as to knowingly and deliberately kill children.
One cannot separate means from ends. What kind of tyranny will the Iraqis suffer, if the terrorists win?
With highest regards for all you are trying to accomplish,
----Alex Kovnat
anon
great comeback, wow, what intellect
Egypt wants revenge for the death of its Diplomat in Iraq.
http://www.jordantimes.com/wed/n.../news/
news7.htm
And they said they will deliver.
Andrea,NY......
RG,is going to send a photo in
for us
to werenotafraid.com
What bastards. To me, this is the worst bombing ever. These people know that the U.S. is spreading good will when playing with kids....so they had to kill them, to demonstrate that it "isn't safe" to play with U.S. soldiers.
Pete
Cluadia Rosett, WSJ; Saddam and Al Qaeda
http://www.opinionjournal.com/co...t/?
id=110006953
So the Mighty Muhajadeen have been reduced to child killers. If you didn't know they were evil before, you surely must recognize it now.
They sully God's name with every breath!
"The blood that was spilled today shall not go in vain and terrorists will lose…"
Hold that thought!
(They took a school and murdered children specifically in Beslan too, but people tend to forget.)
I'm weeping at my desk. The photographs of the distraught mother and grandmothers...their grief beyond description.
so wrong, so wrong, so wong
Don't forget any of them.
Go here for a Flash presentation of a compilation of the major al Qaeda attacks since the creation of the International Islamic Front and their subsequent declaration of war in February of 1998.
you are one sick sumbitch playertwo.
"becuase if they don't pay it that way the REAL war will be lost and BUSH will win!!"
They're still killing children and you're still busy trying to twist that back to plug your domestic American politics.
Filthy scumbags. If it's any consolation to you, Mohammed, wanton acts of depravity like these only serve to further isolate the "heroic resistance" from the rest of the Iraqi population. And any insurgency that loses the support of the people can nevr win.
Hey, I thought I was the sick sumbitch 
What is the difference between human and animal life? A animal kill the poor and weak? A human save kids, womans and innocent or weak persons.
This murders go back to the life of animals. They are not humans in the eye of God/Allah. They are a shame for the human life! It´s time to bring they in a gate - like wild dangerous animals.
The British speak of their stiff upper lip in the face of terrorific atrocities.... Like skin tone, the Brits pale in comparison to what Iraqis have been upper lipping....
Condolences and kudos to the Iraqi people.....
Turn 'em in. Turn 'em out. Your society does not deserve this kind of depravity....
Have all you people forgotten that almost this exact scenario occurred a few months ago? As I recall, a sewage treatment plant was being opened for business and American soldiers were handing out candy to a crowd of children when they were hit by a suicide car bomber. Remember also the slaughter of children in Beslan.
My point is that incidents of this type are intentional and planned for maximum effect. In this case, the children had associated with the infidels and so the brave jihadist carried out Allah's judgement on them, collecting his 72 virgins in the process.
How's the Constitution coming??
Oh Mohammed, my heart is truly breaking for the parents of these children and the Iraqi people. I pray the world wakes up from its slumber and comes to the aid of the Iraqi people.
Let's face it, the pigs who feel they can offer their own lives for so-called "martyrdom", have no problem or conscience in killing whomever with them, even the most innocent - children!
Oh, what a world we live in.
sup niggas....
you can blame liberals for this... in a sense..
Their political hunger is greater than their concern for freedom or decency. Sorry, but that's the sad truth.
If there was a united war effort we'd have more people and resources on board at home and abroad.....and more resolve... but liberals don't like America anyway so this is how they do their part to try and knock us down a peg... no matter who dies for it.
I thought liberals work tirelessly for "the children"..??
Only the right kind I guess...
I've had it with tollerating traitors....
Liberals have no pride in their conutry... which is evidenced by the fact that victory is never an option..... only scorn and retreat.
Enemies at G'itmo get better treatment and more perks than our sodliers get for doing their job.
They eat better,... rest all day... live in a better climate... have religeous freedom to their wishes....
Why on earth would liberals complain about this unless their goal is to smear the United States?
S'ok.. we know....
I'd rather be a Quran at G'Itmo than a Bible in Saudi Arabia.
the Big Pharoh has a great comparision as to how this story is being covered in the Arab press.
http://www.bigpharaoh.blogspot.com/
And he suggests that we help get a change at Al Jazeera. Send an email to your Senators, Representatives, and the White House.
Hey Sodapants, ya hate traitors do ya? What do you propose we do to Karl Rove for his outing of an undercover CIA agent?
Lets look at London also.. Is anyone shocked that the terrorists were Muslims?
I beg for real Muslims to start making it unpopular to do that sort of thing. It's pretty romantic in that community at this point.
No offense... But the defenders of Islam need to start kicking ass and taking names and making a point for us infidels that this isn't a religous war. 'Cause it sure looks like one at the moment.
I read today about a bunch of British cracker-youths who beat a Pakistani to death......calling him Taliban and so on. I can't disregard the anger because 9/11 sure as hell pissed me off. But i'd never consider blaming a random person for it... Not everyone has restraint or sense though...
WTF? This is going to get out of hand unless some serious people start vocalizing the truth a bit more. That means that prominent muslims need to start condeming this kind of crap... which none so far have done that I know of....
Gimme a break.. i've been gone a while.. heh
Hey Sodapants, ya hate traitors do ya? What do you propose we do to Karl Rove for his outing of an undercover CIA agent?
Ash
First off i'd ask you for proof of a crime.. DO you have that?
No.. you don't.. What's really going on here is that the New Yor Times is covering ITS ass... because they don't want the source outed...
you dunce.. heh
Hint: It's not Karl Rove... otherwise that pinhead Judith Miller would have said so. The point here is to nail Rove and they can't
soda, I have noticed that there seems to be an awaking by the Muslim masses. Since the London bombings. . .er . . .terrorists attacks (sorry BBC), there has been much written and said by the Muslims about the need to speak up.
Hope they do so quickly, loudly, and for a long, long time.
.
She's in jail because she wont out the real source, which the NYT is obviously connected with...
It's a failed frame job.. obviously...
THE WHOLW POINT FOR LIBERALS IS THAT ROVE LEAKED!!! DUH!!
BUT NEITHER OF THE JAILBIRDS WILL ADMIT THE SOURCE!!
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU??? hahahah
THEY'RE LYING! OBVIOSLY!
You liberals need to do a better job of thinking this stuff through... really...
"First off i'd ask you for proof of a crime.. DO you have that?"
That'll come in due time. The grand jury will return an indictment. And the prosecution will likely be quashed, political considerations, but the special prosecutor will return an indictment this time. Karl Rove will be charged. Mark my words.
(Ken Starr went seven years on Clinton and couldn't even get an indictment against either of them by the way, not to plug Clinton, but just to point out what we got here.)
wiz - I really hope they do... but i'm not holding my breath
"That'll come in due time. The grand jury will return an indictment. And the prosecution will likely be quashed, political considerations, but the special prosecutor will return an indictment this time. Karl Rove will be charged. Mark my words"
Wishful thinking, lib-boy... The crime here is not Roves or they would have already said so... They're hiding something. That's proven by the silence... The point was to nail Rove... and no one is saying he did it... They're lying.. Imagine our surprise...
Mark my words.
considering that you're usually wrong.. i'll do that
They guy who made a deal so he wouldn't go to jail.... his wife works for Hillary.....
hmmmm...
It's an obvious lie and it's failing hard... heh..
Libs can run,... but they'll just die tired.
Could y'all knock it off? Arguing partisan American politics on this thread is like two Fat Men arguing about what to have for dessert - while visiting the home of a starving Ethiopian.
No need to send "He started it" posts either. Why don't y'all take it outside? Many of us are too mad and sad to put up with this crap.
shut up, ya pussy.. we're talking about policy makers, which, in case you didn't notice, dictate the direction of the war.
you pud...
"Many of us are too mad and sad to put up with this crap."
Good point; point taken.
we're also talking about a serious crime committed by liberals to try and frame someone.
Liberals have been pineing for another Watergate.... and they just might get it... but not in the way they expected.
that point is idiotic and silly... only a liberal would agree that policy decisions are irrelevant in the war on terror... geezus
talk about defeatist pansi types....
someone has their feelings hurt and we need to halt everything...
liberals only like wars when America loses.... That's why they're so busy trying to undermine Bush....
When people actively slander their contry, who bends over backwards to be nice to jihadists...(3 meals a day.. a menu, free Qurans and prayer rugs, a balmy tropical climate, not as hot as Iraq is.....etc) you know you're dealing with the left...
therfore, you know you're dealing with total idiots....
Dan Rather is a traitor by the way.....
We used to hang spineless turn-coats like him....
Actually, we used to lynch niggers for speaking vulgar to white women; things have changed. (Sorry Slartibartfast; that was just too easy to pass up.)
I can't wait for the real crimes to be revealed in this case actually....
Judith Miller might end up outing her insurgent masters in the democrat party.... It all depends on how she likes jail I guess. heh
Hey.. she works for the NYT... if Rove was the leak she'd have naild him immediately.... But she hasn't.... not a peep. Why???
It's the law that she says so... so... why the protection? It's certainly not for Karl Rove....
Who is she protecting?
Hillary maybe?? hmmmmmm
Actually, we used to lynch niggers for speaking vulgar to white women; things have changed. (Sorry Slartibartfast; that was just too easy to pass up.)
What's the point? Are you just looking for an excuse to say "nigger"..??? That's odd... I thouhgt liberals liked blacks... Guess not.
We ALSO used to execute traitors... which was the point. How did you find a way to say "nigger?"
Interesting...
Sodapants wrote "Dan Rather is a traitor by the way..... "
Soda, you are a true piece of work! Just a few post up, regarding Rove, you wrote:
"First off i'd ask you for proof of a crime.. DO you have that?"
I suggest you take a bit of time, maybe even read a book or two for a change, and review what constitutes a crime.
Yes, I do have proof by the way. Dan Rather, besides being the news anchor, is the managing editor of his news program. You're a moron so i'll tell you what that means. It means that he's responsible for vettging his sources. He was also told by several experts that his documents were fakes before he ran them. And he ran them anyway for obvious political purposes during a campaign.
I'm sorry.. did you have a point, or do you just enjoy looking stupid?
I'm betting on the 'stupid' choice... you're so good at it...
I guess what constitutes a crime depends on what country you are in. In Iraq, when saddam was in power, a crime was doing anything he didn't like. Likewise with the taliban in Afhghanistan.
If Dan Rather was right.. He would still be on the air...
The fact is.. he's an embarassment and they nudged him out to save face.
That's clear..... and it's hilarious that liberals like you are still clinging to the possibility that he's not a liar.. hahah....
Pretty pathetic really... carry on...
I guess what constitutes a crime depends on what country you are in. In Iraq, when saddam was in power, a crime was doing anything he didn't like. Likewise with the taliban in Afhghanistan.
Uhhhh... you're also talking about a dictatorship as opposed to a republic. There is no comparrison.
Liberals wish they had Saddam's rules... Just saying so would make Rove guilty!!
The problem is... uuuhh.. proof.
Hmmm, there we run into a problem.
Not really workin' out for the libs on this one it appears. And i'll bet a dollar to a donut that any indictment that comes down at the end of this is tacked to a democrat...
bet me...
soda
I am on your side, that was meant as sarcasm to the ridiculous comments/questions of certain individuals.
ummm sodapants if lying were a crime even your pal Bush would be in the slammer. Lying under oath is a crime however.
I again suggest that you should gain some learnin'...unless you like the taste of your own foot.
don't mind be bitch... ( I mean that with the utmost respect...haha)
I'm just sayin...
The "patriotic resistance" struck another strategic target in Iraq today.
They attacked Iraqi's hope and Iraq's reserves and future; they murdered Iraqi children again.
i doubt that this sarcasm is helpfull. the men who commited this were obviously no resistance fighters, but simply terrorists.
this does not contradict
the existance of resistance fighters in iraq. compared to them, the terrorists are a minority!
Hint: It's not Karl Rove... otherwise that pinhead Judith Miller would have said so. The point here is to nail Rove and they can't
the fact that mr rove is involved in this leak is bizarre enough. if he was a democrat, the right would be on the streets, calling for him to be hanged, trial or no trial.
anyway, this topic could dop with a little less sodaspam, methinks.
you're not too bright, Ash... What did he lie about again?
Let me first say that every allied intelligence servie in the world agreed with the CIA. The truth is that they're pretty good at hiding it.
Besides... Mustard Gas and Sarin, ARE!, chemical weapons...a;opng with illegal missiles that were also found.... so ...what's the mystery..? Both were found in Iraq.
I thought they didn't have any at all??? That's the liberal line anyway.
Boy... there's nothing like proof to slap a liberal with is there...
the fact that mr rove is involved in this leak is bizarre enough.
This is typical liberal pap...
So,.... in your mind... just saying so makes it real?
Get a clue, bub... I'm asking for proof.. not liberal subversion.
Rove is a political genius... It's no wonder that the left would love to discredit him and get him out the game. That's the real story here....
Liberals are framing Rove because they can't compete with him. Period.
Judith Miller.. a liberal is still in jail for not naming her source....
If it was Rove she would have sung by now.... She's protecting some democrat.. believe me.
this is such a loser for the left.. I don't know why you chuckle-heads regurgitate it still..
But please keep it up!
we'll make it more and more obvious as the liberal tension grows.... heh...
I could take a nap and win this one.... zzzzz
the point is... Rove was the target of a liberal frame job that is currently backfiring....
Why would he give a shit who Plame was??? Makes no sense....
Wiz, Soda,
Muslims are speaking up, citing chapter and verse of the Koran:
The moral failure of "yeah, but"
excerpt
Believers, stand out firmly for god, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety, and fear God. For God is well-acquainted with all that you do.
This is typical liberal pap...
So,.... in your mind... just saying so makes it real?
Get a clue, bub... I'm asking for proof.. not liberal subversion.
the involvement of mr rove in this affair is beyond denial. wether he leaked the name himself or ordered/allowed someone else to do it, will be shown by investigation.
again my question:
would you be here, waiting for a final proof as well, if we were talking about a democrat?
sorry, but i doubt it!
Besides... Mustard Gas and Sarin, ARE!, chemical weapons...a;opng with illegal missiles that were also found.... so ...what's the mystery..? Both were found in Iraq.
a pretty weak proof, provided by you, isn t it?
no stockpiles of WMDs have been found in iraq so far.
none will be found.
THE SEARCH IS OVER!
You know what realy gets my blood boiling? It's these terrorist sympathisers that think it is perfectly fine that these nutcases are blowing up women and children (Intentionaly!!!!) 
and to think we have some who regularly post on this blog!!!
I was doing some searching earlier (checking to see who was checking out my homepage when I found this blog that perported to be an Iraqi news service, If I can find it again I will share it with you , perhaps we can have a little fun with it!
http://www.truthonirag.blogspot.com
They've been speaking up for a while, now"
And here's some more"
Hat tip to Asif, and yes, it does make a difference.
it depends on what a liberal defines as a "stockpile" now doesn't it?
The answer is "yes", they were found.. where, according to liberals like you, none existed anyway. *slap*
Rove's involvement is still based on your silly claim... proof please?
We all know what's happening here... it's a liberal crime... and Miller is under orders to shut up.... because if it was Rove she'd have said so since her mission was to "get Bush and Rove"...
You can't be serious...
lets examinw this....
2 New York Times reporters write stories that claim Karl Rove is reponsible for leaking the name of a covert agent to them... but when the crime is investigated and they're requirted to legally name the source, they clam up and go to jail instead of re-stating what their "news" stories already alleged...
huh??
It's obvious that they're both liberal operatives and are liars.... otherwise they'd hand over the evidence they used to write their stories to begin with, right??!!
This is so easy...
According to Iraq's Prime Minister, the ISF is now ready to take over security of "several Iraqi cities."
Good... we're getting bad press anyway... the sooner they take over the better. Liberals wont like it...but we need to keep our kids from dying...
liberals enjoy high casualtiy numbers....
after all.. standing up to oppression just promotes violence...
sodapants, nice to see you back with fists a flyin'
it sucks being a liberal... because any display of common sense and logic means that you automatically lose.. heh
Hi Jo.. I wont be here long.. but thanks... I'll pop in when I can...
Lets also acknowledge the fact that Judith Miller was given a waiver from her the NYT to legally name her source...
why isn't she saying it was Rove???
Hahaha.. Because it wasn't!!! That's why!
My condolences to the families and to all Iraqis.
After 9/11 people were saying "Today, we are all Americans". After the London atrocities, I saw "Today, we are all Londoners".
I guess, most days we are all Iraqis.
I guess that post didn't go.. hmmm
anyway.. As it stands now... Judith Miller is at LEAST guilty of perjury, making false claims, slander, defamation and lying to investigators.....
ahhh.. more to come...
Sorry to hear about the kids. They are the nations hope. When I was in Somalia we used to do everything we could to chase them off, or at least keep them a good fifty feet away. When we had them around us the gangsters would shoot at us (usually hitting the young'uns) knowing that we would try to get the kids out of the way before shooting back. It was heartbreaking as many of them were orphans and very malnutritioned. In Iraq we considered continueing the initial order (no food , candy, or toys to children)during OIF I, but the command decided that we couldn't keep the servicemen from doing it so it was better to control it (no throwing stuff from vehicles because the kids then run up to convoys and get hit by them, try to get an adult to ride herd and keep the youngsters from fighting, cease handing out anything if kids or adults prey on the little ones ect.) If the terrorists are going to keep this up we will have to reconsider. Some will say at least it draws a line for the population between good and evil, but I wear a flack and helmet and don't care to endanger a child to give him or her food clothing and toys. We may have to find another way which is unfortunate since that is an awesome memory- giving a kid her first toy and looking at the confusion followed by amazement. I have lots of pictures if you want to see them. & soda-chill out.
Ok all I found the site! It calls itself "Iraq News Service" and this is the url. http://www.iraq-news.de/index.ph...=1898&
Itemid=88
It comes out of Germany! The stuff on there is so far left it makes Kennidy look like a right wing radical!
Probably where John , Scott, and some of the others are getting their material!
http://www.truthonirag.blogspot.com
oops,.. not to mention being a moron who was bested by Rove.. heh
This is so easy..."
That doesn't justify you doing it in public, in front of people.
Chill out nuthin', holmes... I'm prefectly chilled already because I'm on the right side.
I didn't bother to look at that.. but it's clear that Lee is playing 'cut and run' ... heh..
I don't blame you.. I wouldn't want to be a liberal in this fight either...
nice to see ya soda
someone gave me this new name so
i think i will stick with it
for a while
andrea/minnesota
don't ever give up!!
hey... glad you're well! The name is fitting.. keep it.
I'm on the way out though so.. behave.. we'll see ya later.. at some point.
ciao!
bye folks.. you liberals can come out now... i'm leaving.. heh
I'm glad to see here many didn't forget Beslan. There should be no sense of disbelief that this happened. They have no issue targeting women,kids,dogs, whatever. Just because it doesn't come as a suprise, doesn't mean it shouldn't inflame us all the more. Islam must cut the cancerous flesh from its body, or it will perish. Mohammed and Omar can't do it alone. Many more need to step forward. Bravest of souls.
I recall having words with a couple of Iraqi Americans after the first incident of this type i.e. the opening of the water (sewage?) plant....
It was their view that the Americans were at fault, since they collected the kids for a photo op....
Bizarre. Thats like saying it was the vendors in Phuket were responsible for the deaths by Tsunami, because they were selling sugared rice on the beach....
Perhaps accountability issues need to be addressed, eh soda?
"nice to see ya soda…"
Just to make sure that all understand that andrea/minnesota/ a/k/a "the cheerleader" is pleased to see the return of sparklepants
Prayers & Good thoughts going out to the victims.
This kind of pain can take a mother to the very depths of despair. They will need all the support you can give. Yet I know NOTHING can help with this sort pain.
God give all you strength.
it depends on what a liberal defines as a "stockpile" now doesn't it?
The answer is "yes", they were found.. where, according to liberals like you, none existed anyway. *slap*
may i ask you for a link, please? (or "proof" as you like to say?)
two 20 year old sarin shells, found on a rubbish dumb are NO STOCKPILE of WMDs.
by whatever definition!
2 New York Times reporters write stories that claim Karl Rove is reponsible for leaking the name of a covert agent to them... but when the crime is investigated and they're requirted to legally name the source, they clam up and go to jail instead of re-stating what their "news" stories already alleged...
and
anyway.. As it stands now... Judith Miller is at LEAST guilty of perjury, making false claims, slander, defamation and lying to investigators.....
you are a lousy investigator. this posts shows, that you know absolutly nothing about the case.
1. miller hasn t written an article on the subject.
2. none of them has written an article, claiming that Rove leaked the name.
3. "legally name their sources" you say. i (and a amjority of reasonable ppl) argue, that this threatens the freedom of press and endangers the safety of whistleblowers, who we need more than ever.
4. miller isn t accused of any of the things you name.
5. you obviously don t know, that she was a big cheerleader of the war in the past.
6. btw, Rove allowed Cooper to name him as his source.
now, i don t like Judith Miller. she s staging a scapegoat story, to make good for her horrible performance at the start of the war.
and i doubt that Rove was stupid enough to give the name away personnaly.
but i slightly wonder, why you re not enraged by his involvement in this affair
bye folks.. you liberals can come out now... i'm leaving.. heh
i was right here with you, all the time.
anyway, i surely will enjoy the end of your spamfest.
Killers of children - Beslan, now Badhdad... There are no words to express the hurt, anger, and outrage at the creatures that perpetrate such unthinkable carnage.
My condolences to the parents and families of those hurt and killed by the Islamist terrorist in Baghdad. I wish you well and as much peace as can be possible considering your loss.
Also, my condolences to those that will die later today, tomorrow, and ongoing. Until such time that civilized people everywhere finally, brutally, and completely put a stop to this insane cancer that plagues our world, what happened in New York, Beslan, London, Baghdad, and literally thousands of other places will certainly continue.
Not only with it continue it will escalate as far as the terrorists can manage. Be it conventional bombs, guns and knives, or WMD such as bilogical, chemical, and/or nuclear, it will escalate.
Bin Laden wants to kill 4 million Americans, 2 million of them children. I take him at his word that he and his supporters will do everything in their power to do just that.
I simply believe that we should everything in our power to stop him.
Don't kid yourself, Islamist generated death and mayhem is coming to a place near you no matter where you are - it is only a matter of time. Maybe not tomorrow, but certainly within your lifetime and that of your children - you can count on that.
There is no pretty or nice way to rid ourselves of this pestilence, and innocents will continue to die. The question is do we simply passively resist by reacting to each new heinous act, or do we proactively and with cold, dispassionate brutal fury pursue them and destroy them?
Negotiate? Has anyone ever negotiated successfully with a cancer? No. And we should never accept any call for negotiations with these non-human filth.
Nothing short of complete and utter eradication of the Islamist cancerous filth, their supporters and syncophants, will stop them from killing more children - including perhaps yours or mine.
"…two 20 year old sarin shells, found on a rubbish dumb are NO STOCKPILE of WMDs.…"
Screw you asshole; of course they are. That's all the proof we need. Rednecks rally ‘round here!
What is the difference between human and animal life? A animal kill the poor and weak? A human save kids, womans and innocent or weak persons.
This murders go back to the life of animals. They are not humans in the eye of God/Allah. They are a shame for the human life! It´s time to bring they in a gate - like wild dangerous animals.
Stefan / Germany
Hi Stefan, I agree with your thought but when I think of a hen being burned to death to protect her 'children' during a grass fire, I am not so sure that I would put terrorists on such a high level.
Any number of animals will die to protect the 'children' of their species. Since terrorists will kill human children, maybe they are of a different species.
F15C - eloquently and meaningfully written.
Just like some of God's angels chose evil, so have the terrorists. Terrorists are of Satan - the same evil!
"cold, dispassionate brutal fury"
Joanne likes that. "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition."
Jihadi philosophy at it's very best.
Opps, before Bruce Anderson catches me in in a major philosophical mistake.
That should have been "its very best…" (possessive pronoun not a contraction)
"cold, dispassionate brutal fury"
Ya know, I think we can cover the intentional murder of children with that "cold, dispassionate, brutal" thing? Whatcha wanna bet?
Lee C. wrote: ""The blood that was spilled today shall not go in vain and terrorists will lose…"
Hold that thought!
(They took a school and murdered children specifically in Beslan too, but people tend to forget.)"
In this, you and I agree completely. It is this weakness of memory that these filthy creatures count on. They are incredibly and effectively patient, and they are in this 'war' for the rest of eternity. They have no 'timeline for withdrawl' or anything like it. When they 'go on with life' they are plotting to kill ever more adults and children.
Too many of us on the other hand strive to 'heal' and end up as a society essentially behaving as though nothing had really happened. Behaving as though it were all just a scary movie we watched on TV or in a theater. This is the source of our ultimate weakness. And every Islamist alive today knows that.
Right now, we are a nation divided against itself and so lack the resolve to win this 'war'. I fear that it will take significant loss of life here in the homeland to change that.
Given our porous borders and restrictions on law enforcement agencies, only a fool would believe that significant forces of Islamist terror are not already present and active within the US. With more entering through out porous borders on a daily or weekly basis.
They are smart. They are planning the next attack or attacks in America. And they are planning beyond that. They know that after that post-attack America will be much less 'friendly' making it much more difficult for them to enter the country and move freely about. But the know that. That is why they want to have enough personnel in the US in the right places and positions to be able to act after the fact. That is how they will win.
They are biding their time. Waiting for our resolve to wane, for our defenses to drop through apathy and sympathetic political actions.
They are waiting for the right window of opportunity knowing the next attack in the US will have to be decisive because one way or another, the US, or at least those citizens of right mind, will retaliate in ways not seen in the history of this planet.
The Islamist terror creatures know that their next action in the US must have significant long term disaterous effects on America's government, economic structure, and people. It would be foolish for them to think othewise. And they are not fools.
Should the "Sins of the fathers, be borne by the sons"?
If the answer is yes, then the sons bear the guilt of their fathers, and as such, must be punished or make amends.
This is the philosophy that makes it honorable to kill children.
The philosophy that makes it honorable to wage barbaric war on the "sons of the cross worshippers" that fought holy wars 1,000 years ago.
It is also the philosophy of insanity, because the only way to end any conflict, is thru a war of complete annihilation.
Children come into this world as innocents. The sins of their fathers can only be borne by their fathers.
www.werenotafraid.com
I just heard a report on the radio (NPR) about this murder. It was very gripping--with audio from the location--but the strangest thing is that one of the women who was screaming in anguish cried out in Arabic, "By God it was the Americans who did this."
I have a hard time forgiving her for this stupidity even though she is suffering so greatly.
Lee C. responding to my phrase "cold, dispassionate brutal fury" as best he can given his obvious intellectual deficits:
"Jihadi philosophy at it's very best."
and...
"Ya know, I think we can cover the intentional murder of children with that "cold, dispassionate, brutal" thing? Whatcha wanna bet?"
Though weak and trite as responses go, they do provide a lot of information about him in very few words. For that he gets credit.
A very interesting article on the Terrorism Nightmare that is England...
Daniel Pipes via LGF:
: Weak Brits, Tough French. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)
Thanks to the war in Iraq, much of the world sees the British government as resolute and tough and the French one as appeasing and weak. But in another war, the one against terrorism and radical Islam, the reverse is true: France is the most stalwart nation in the West, even more so than America, while Britain is the most hapless.
British-based terrorists have carried out operations in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kenya, Tanzania, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Israel, Morocco, Russia, Spain, and America. Many governments - Jordanian, Egyptian, Moroccan, Spanish, French, and American - have protested London’s refusal to shut down its Islamist terrorist infrastructure or extradite wanted operatives. In frustration, Egypt’s president Hosni Mubarak publicly denounced Britain for “protecting killers.” One American security group has called for Britain to be listed as a terrorism-sponsoring state.
Counterterrorism specialists disdain the British. Roger Cressey calls London “easily the most important jihadist hub in Western Europe.” Steven Simon dismisses the British capital as “the Star Wars bar scene” of Islamic radicals. More brutally, an intelligence official said of last week’s attacks: “The terrorists have come home. It is payback time for ... an irresponsible policy.”
"Lee C.…given his obvious intellectual deficits"
Okay, kool‼! Your argument is that you're obviously so much smarter than I am. I'm willing to let it rest there. Be smart if you want. Better to be right though, even if by accident.
Good post Mr. Ghost. Ok, it rhymes. Sue me.
England and Continental Europe are in the beginning of a very difficult time in their histories. France is over 10% muslim with some not-insignificant portion of that group being of the radical to moderate-radical variety. They have been waking up to the threat in their midst over the past two years, and England began day-before-yesterday. They can win even though heavily infiltrated, but the question, just as in America, is will they allow themselves to do what is necessary to win.
Lee C., It does not take a rocket scientist to see 'obvious intellectual deficits' in your grasping, vain, one-liner failed attempts at being prescient and important. It is a simple observation.
Maybe if you tried putting forth an argument (look the word up), or responded to a post you don't like with logic and verified and verifiable facts. At least then you'd make it more difficult to ascertain your deficits - intellectual and otherwise. But as of now, it is no big thing.
Oh, and I agree that I'd rather be right than smart, but you are neither.
Where is your outrage about all the innocent Iraqis shot up at checkpoints etc? We never hear you about that. Why not?
"Oh, and I agree that I'd rather be right than smart, but you are neither"
Well, okay, I'll just be neither here for the time being, but the Muslim population of France is closer to 20% than 10%; helps to know what you're dealin’ with before you start drawing conclusions about how to deal with it.
Mohammed, This is just so sad. My sympathy to the families of those children and to the people of Iraq for the comntinuing crimes against them. May God comfort those families.
I wonder if these #$%&*% think they'll get a special place in heaven for killing children? More like a special place in hell!!
Steve. When Americans kill innocent non-combatants, they are subject to investigation, hearings, trial, and potential punishment. The deaths of innocents is always an outrage.
However, there is not an iota of moral equivalence between the above Americans (or soldiers of other nations for that matter) and Islamic terrorists.
If you believe otherwise, then be honest enought to just come out and state your case as to why you believe that to be so.
Lee C.: Ok, 20% of France is Muslim. I was wrong on that one, thanks for pointing it out.
"I was wrong on that one…"
Yeah, but you're still smarter than me, right?
However, the real goal isn't to prove yourself to be the smarter; it's to get it right. The point behind making war is to win.
Who are these people. THEY PURPOSELY KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN. My GOD. Why can't we find them? Where do they hide? What rats nest do they sleep in at night. Who aids these people? WHAT MADMAN WOULD AID and ABED THESE PEOPLE. This is caused by a deep sickness within Islamic tyrannical culture, a sickness so dark and profound, it can only be described as TRUE evil. Still leftists will blame America as the cause of such darkness, such extreme hate. They will call republicans ‘haters’ and ‘fascists’ for confronting such evil, and then , as if blind to the realities of the world, they will describe with kind regard the perpetrators of this true evil, as the ‘resistance,‘ or ‘insurgence,‘ some even glorify there killings and sabotage of basic resources as if it was some glorious exercise. GOD have liberals lost their way. If those were my children I would hunt the perpetrators down myself. I would stop at nothing until justice found it’s way, God willing.
“Someone who does not know the difference between good and evil is worth nothing." -- Miecyslaw Kasprzyk, Polish rescuer of Jews during the Holocaust, New York Times, Jan. 30, 2005
And today, the detractors in America, the MSM and the democrat party are focused on what ?
Karl Rove ????
What does he have to do with international terrorism ? That is a clue as to how serious the democrats are about terrorism, the borders, the American military, our allies and their new concerns about home grown terror, the price of fuel, and a host of real problems. I urge every American, once again, vote republican. Let's destroy this group of elitist democrats and replace them with an American party with an agenda for Americans.
Last week, the Supreme Court gave away our property rights, and not a peep from the democrats. Well, the right wing doesn't like it and we will make a stand. Just like we are making on terrorism.
I hesitate to harp on this issue on this blog, but terrorism and the failure to face terrorism is of utmost importance to Iraq. American democrats are a barrier between a free Iraq and continued fighting there.
WHO CARES , little boys argue about things like that.
Children died today be cause another little boy felt is was his right to kill them. Where are your hearts? As a Mother I can tell you children are the most important thing in this life and to have over 20 of them dead is sickening.
Grow-up and spend your time looking for solutions and assigning blame.
Dear Mihammed and Omar and Ali,
We have distance relatives who lost their children in these Bombs.
Our souls are wounded and we cry so deep as the pain is so hard.
Our hearts go out to the mothers, Sisters and fathers, relatives neighbours and young friends of the little ones who lost their innocent lives trying to receive sweets from the American Soldiers. Who I am sure some of them are just beginging to enjoy freedom and democracy and humand rights.
Our condolences to the relatives , friends and families to the American Soldiers who were giving the iraqi children sweets. they lost their lives to the Cowards who darenot fight them in the battle fields like men.
Their lives plucked out so early is nothing but vile and senseless act devoid of any compassion and love to Humanity as a whole.
We shall celebrate their lives along with their American's benefactors, saviours. Their mixed blood with those of the Unknown American Soldiers should be a matrix that will bond our two freedom loving peoples together for eternity.
No one and I mean no one will ever break that bond ever again. the sufferings is uniting us daily. we are very proud to know good people.
Goodness defeated is stronger than evil and wickedness triumphant. These ruthless killers can not and will not win their aims by terrorising children , or frightening their parents or planting seeds of fear into their villages and their hearts and minds.
Freedom will prevail no matter what these idiotic renegades and bankrupt exremists will do, today, tomorrow and in the future.
We are all so shocked and horrified at this murder of the innocent.
What was their crime I ask you ?
Kind regards
I'm sorry Cherrl, is assigning blame, what grow-up's do?
Cherryl, what are you talking about ? We men hate the killing of children. Most of us take pride in our desire to protect women and children from the dangers of the world. If we were on the ground there, where the bomb went off, then we would be in on the hunt for the terrorist bunker. But, from here, we can only express sympathy and/or debate resolutions and reactions.
Do you think we are not sympathetic ?
I have children and grandchildren. I don't want civilization to desend into chaos.
Condolences to the death of the 27 (?) Baghdadis and the one US soldier.
Hameed Abid, please accept my heartfelt condolences since, as you say, among the dead were children of distant relatives of you.
Boots on the ground, another disciplined American soldier, a man that understands the realities of military occupations and knows why enticing children to flock around his humvee affords himself some artificial sense of self preservation!
You may detest the bombers of Americans all you want but these so called heroic troops that lure children into their target zones may well be the most despicable creatures of all!!
Boots on the ground says: "I'm going to probably buy a lot of candy when I go to the PX in the camp. That way, I can hand it out to the kids. They'll be more likely to help us avoid things we wouldn't otherwise be able to avoid if not for them. If most of the adults liked us as much as the kids, hell, we wouldn't even have to wear body armor. Some group of kids tried to get us to play soccer with them!"
Yeah why not sacrifice the children, you fucking cowards. Invade their country, kill their population, and entice the children with candy, as a human shield. Fucking freedom fighters lacking the civility or humanity of any army, typical crusaders that Mohammed endorses and loves!!
Lee, I think that it's still closer to 10%. I would be highly surprised if there were already 20% Muslims in France. France has some 60 million inhabitants. 20% would mean 12 million. Last time I read it was about 6 million Muslims in all.
Nite all. You too wxjames, been some time.
Lee C. wrote: "Yeah, but you're still smarter than me, right?"
You are the only one to have made that claim in this entire discussion and have essentially done so more than once.
So, ok, I bow to your written onslaught - I agree with you: I am smarter than you.
Geez, now can you post anything of value to the larger issues?
don't be a doofus, Lee.. most democrats supported, and voted for the war in the first place... that didn't stop them from behaving like traitors later on now did it?
Judith Miller would not be in prison right now if she wasn't responsible for the printing of an agents name that's being investigated by the feds either, would she?
What the hell is she doing there then!? How silly... that other mook folded and, judging by the lack of noise about what he finally fessed up to.... Rove is cleared. We'll see... but I know liberals.. and things are way too quiet right now for them to have any kind of case at all... and it actually points to them covering for someone else while trying to frame Rove.
Scumbag John, you plucked that piece of garbage via Raeds site huh? What miserable creature are you anyway? You are worse than a Euroweenie!
"Yeah why not sacrifice the children, you fucking cowards."
I do believe that was exactly the thinking of the guy who drove that bomb into the crowd of children. Do you think you can explain him thinkin’ different?
Just like how the Clintons fired the White House travel staff and made up bogus charges against them ....
anyone remember that one?? heh
It's in their playbook.. and fatso's wife works for Hillary. I think we know where the smell is coming from.
wow John, the ARAB race hater, why don't you tell us your position on JEWS? Your people Killed 27 children. Your a nut, and no better they the man who plowed into those children.
And today, the detractors in America, the MSM and the democrat party are focused on what ?
Karl Rove ????
And you are focused on what they are focused on rather than the topic of this post.
Apparently so am I. Omar, please delete this post.
And no, we are not afraid. We also still like a good piece of candy though it may be bittersweet for a time. Much love to you and your family, we will not falter. Not you, not us, not ever.
Outlaw, fuck off, Americanns are afraid to patrol anywhere in Iraq, why would they entice children to be part of their dead man walking syndrome!
you piece of shit! You know Americans will be attacked, you know they are despised, why would they relish the sacrifice of even more Iraqi children. THeir acts are no less despicable than a bankrobber holding up an infant in the face of police fire. Are you either entirely apoleptic or epoleptic in your derrangement you sad fuck!!
For everybody, JOHN is an ARAB Islamic extremist, who pretends he is an AMERICAN liberal. He is a race hater and believes you are an infidel, I'm sure if he had the chance, he would kill you, so never divulge information to you where-abouts. I believe he is psychotic and dangerous.
John wrote: "You may detest the bombers of Americans all you want but these so called heroic troops that lure children into their target zones may well be the most despicable creatures of all!!" etc.
(Given the tone of his rant John is clearly projecting his way of living on others. Soldiers in this case.)
John, you should be proud of yourself. You've managed to post the most deranged and sick rant of the day. Congratualtions.
All in all John, your 'statement' is not down there with killing children, but not too far from it either...
G'night, Michael C.
John, the guy is stating how the kids like them and help by tipping them about possible trouble spots. He believes that if the adults would act the same way, then there would be fewer American deaths. What don't you get about that ? Most soldiers are no more than kids themselves. So, they identify with the kids and enjoy these friendships. It's being human, John, you reactionary byutthead.
huh?? no no no... you're talking like Americans are cowards. I'll gladly give john the shot at breaking in to kill me.. I own firearms.... and would love to dispatch a jihadist for the cause.
just as a side note...
why does anyone let Hellen Thomas do, well,...anything.. anymore?
a belief that killing harmless babes is a way to heaven??????
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It is beyond words the disgust and revulsion I have for these sicko scum.
Again, we stand with you Omar, Muhammed, and all Iraqis against these coward child killers. They cannot fight a real fight, neither with words and ideas nor even with their fists and guns - so they kill children. They are cowards. They are lost.
Sadly, there will be the Islamonazi types that will condone this attack.
It's already happened in England:
London Islamist: No Civilians Under Islamic Law
The director of London’s Al-Maqreze Centre for Historical Studies, Hani Sibai, says there are no “civilians” in Islamic law, and that the London bombings were a great victory for Al Qaeda.
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Throw that scum in prison for 'hate speech' or worse..
ya ya ya.. well all stand here together... we get it.. No offense to you or the point.. but it just illustrates how important it is when it comes to who you vote for.....
electing democrats makes winning wars and spreading freedom harder.....
don't do it....
or better yet.. start fighting on their terms...
hmmmm
what would happen if we decided that there were no innocent muslims?
well, in short... there wouldn't be any...
Bruce, they are indeed cowards, but they are not lost. They are supported, protected, and funded by Syria, Saudi Arabia, and perhaps a majority of the Iraqi Sunnis.
I think I know what to do about it, but I must wait for those who command to realize the right moves.
Men shouldn't wait while children die.
we get punished by the natural process of our own common sense and humanity.. and we accept it.
As we should...
But damn.. every time I hear some tire-head, wannab cleric tell the world we're all guilty and deserve to die... I lose faith in islam because the support it.. and don't reprimade folks like that..
href=http://www.moveamericaforward.org/index.php/
MAF/CurrentProject/
the_truth_tour_live_from_baghdad/>"Voices of Soldiers" Truth Tour, Live from Baghdad - News and Pics
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EXCLUSIVE: Saddam Trained 4,000 Terrorists
Also... 18 Coalition Bases Turned Over to Iraqis
Maybe this is why the "noble holy" warriors have to target children
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Thanks for the link Bob:
July 12, 2005: A leaked government document in Britain indicates that American military planners believe they can cut U.S. forces in Iraq by about 40 percent next year. Plans like this have been made before, only to be cancelled when it became clear that Iraqi security forces were not able to handle the Sunni Arab rebels and al Qaeda terrorists. But this time around, the Iraqi security forces are performing with noticeable effect. Terrorist attacks are down, and an increasing number of Sunni Arab towns are free of political and criminal gangs.
The Sunni Arab and al Qaeda gangs continue to attack, however. There are hundreds of these gangs, often containing fewer than a dozen men. The gang (or "cell" in milspeak) members are often related to each other, or are neighborhood friends. Many of these gangs easily switch between criminal and terrorist operations. The lawless attitude that supports this sort of thing is another result of decades of Saddam's rule, which was notable for its corruption, lawlessness and use of terrorism to control the population.
More blood! Allah is thirsty! More blood!
soda,u have not been around for
a while,john boy is not worth your
time at all,u know me:please trust
me on this one.....i give him the
worst troll/terrorist award of this blog....its a disgrace to Omar and
Mohammed's blog,and disrespect to
them!!!!!from many people who want
freedom
look up internet trolls!
this one will NOT take down this blog...
These were Christian and Shiite children, and American soldiers, therefore fair game in jihadist mentality, for they were all "infidels". Palestinian jihadists say its ok to kill children, because all Isrealis are subject to military services sometime in their lives. Therefore, according to them, children are fair game as long as their parents are not "true Muslims". There are no civilians. "True Muslims" are obligated to "Holy" war against every "infidel" on earth. They won't stop until they are all dead or we are all "true Muslims" or are diminished to dhimmihood, paying our taxes to the jihadis like good little subdued and submitted infidels. There is no other end to this struggle. The jihadis know this, the West is in denial and wants to "understand their pain and poverty". If the infidels in Iraq manage to defeat the jihadis in Iraq, the goal of establishing the Caliphate the world over will be set back so many years that many Wahabbi jihadists will be disillusioned with the possiblity of victory and may go home to rethink their position, knowing that the promise of "Allah's" inevitable victory was not real, and that they've been lied to by their Imams and leaders. That's why (self preservation) we have to complete the victory of Iraq.
Its almost as though this is in need of or requires a more simplistic analysis! There are people here that fail to comprehend the realities of a military occupation.
Lets suppose, for an instant close your eyes, your own city was under occupation by a foreign military prescence! There are troops parading up and down your streets on a regular basis. Raiding homes, shooting up suspicious vehicles. Generally speaking, manifesting a personification of death and destruction! There are people within your population who regard the occupier as evil. They dedicate themselves to the cause of ridding the occupier from their land. The occupier within the context of a heightened sense of paranoia, realises they are targets of hostile anti-occupation elements within the occupied population.
What does the occupier do??? They buy candy!!! They allow themselves to be surrounded by children! Why??? Because they love the children??? No!!! Because they feel this will win over the hearts and minds of Iraqi's! No!!! It becomes a military strategy of defense! They believe it will minimalize the potential for hostile attack!
america is entirely responsible for the quagmire they've created in iraq! They're fucking killing machines who have entirely compromised the population of a country they had no justification in attacking! Taking along innocent children is hardly as surprising as it is part of their syndrome of death in Iraq!
may insane man rot in hell!!!!!!!!
his rapist sons are right now!!!!!
"You are the only one to have made that claim [to superior intelligence] in this entire discussion and have essentially done so more than once."
Well, no, that's not true either. You're not good at handling it when people actually argue back are you? You opened the discussion of comparative intelligence with your observation of my "obvious intellectual deficits".
S'okay though, I don't mind so much; you can be clever; I'm more interested in being right.
(next subject)
You might want to check the numbers again Michael
(next subject)
Rave on sparklebutt; I may get around to you eventually, but then again, I may just ignore you instead. Shouldn't be a problem though, the cheerleader is glad to have you back so you can get enough ego stroking if you'll only bend your standards down some.
(Slartibartfest was right and I'm not doing a good job of listening either.)
“Someone who does not know the difference between good and evil is worth nothing." -- Miecyslaw Kasprzyk, Polish rescuer of Jews during the Holocaust, New York Times, Jan. 30, 2005
lets also assume that the people in your streets have removed the person responsible for your fear and suffering for decades...
They rebuild...
They employ you
They spend their own money in your shops...
They give their own supplies to freely to those who have nothing.
They use restraint in aggression, which lead to more of their own deaths to prevent civilian injuries.
They train and equip your police and military who believe you have a right to freedom.
They train and supply your newly rebuilt schools that were once used as weapons depots.
They give medical care to anyone who needs it... even the enemy who was trying to kill them a moment before.
Ya,. lets suppose we infidels were Iraqi's today. I'd be damn proud to be an infidel in such a case..
That case also happens to be the reality on the ground you sadistic goat washer.
John, you’re an Arab supremacist, who believes in a fictitious fair tail of ideal perfection, JOHN YOU ARE A TYRANT. You fight for tyrants, you argue for tyrants, you are a tyrant apologist, and a very sick man. You are no better than the madman who plowed his truck, packed with explosives, into a group of innocent children. MEN LIKE YOU, FILLED THE MASS GRAVES IN IRAQ, and if it was up to you, many more would be filled. Saddom would kill, Uday would kill, Qusay would kill. Tyrant after tyrant, corruption and poverty, death and mal-nourishment all done by the deeds of men like you. Men who will not confront EVIL.
This is because you John, are EVIL.
Soda, that some of the lamest shit I've ever read from you. Your hiatus seems to have led to an unfortunate attrition of functional brain cells!
your representation of American military invasions is as representative of reality as their pathetic attemts to include children as part of their ill equiped body armour! Theres an increasing lack of satisfaction here isn't there! Don't you get a sense that Omar and Mohammed find their embracing of the occupier is becoming increasingly difficult to rationalise or swallow??
Just wondering!!
In the wake of the London atrocities, there is no time left to mince further words. Or actions. We must begin to place blame where it is due, and respond accordingly. It is time to hold the Muslim world to account for -- at the very least -- condoning the monsters in their midst. It is time for us to reiterate to them the words of moral clarity that President Bush uttered in the smoking aftermath of 9/11: "Either you are with us, or you are against us."
And to show them, in blunt action, that we really do mean business.
TS | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:46 am | #
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Perhaps not to the degree of your liking, but I think the MNF have been doing just that - that is - showing them that we really do mean business.
Some of the evidence of that is that many on the liberal side 'hate the US' or 'hate Pres. Bush (who represents the majority in the US that are girded for this battle).
The battle will not take on military components exclusively, but economic, social and religious components that will be won in the public square and in the public market. In the long term, the battle for ideas and for hearts and minds will be more important than any military battle. And this battle will require all of our creativity and wits and all the patience we can possible muster, as the liberals rail and deride us from every side...being blind or blinded to what is actually happening and refusing thusly to do anything...
It will be brave steps and retreats (sometimes three steps forward, and two steps back) vs. the do nothings on the liberal side. They will constantsly chide and speculate about what would have happened if we'd just decided to do nothing with them and we'll constantly remind them that we tried that path for many decades until the outrages got to be too much. Blinded by partisanship, the do nothings (liberals) would only be proven completely wrong in a scenario like you painted TS, and that is a result I am unwilling to allow to happen as long as I am able to do something about it:
"at least until the time when a nuclear, chemical, or biological weapon falls into the hands of a modern jihadist and we are returned to the sort of slaughter our ancestors suffered for centuries. Maybe then we'll wake up."
John, that's it. That has to be the most vile reaction to a true tragedy that I've ever read. Normally, you're jsut a scroll-by idiot to me, but you've crossed the line.
Have you no decency, sir?
The sad thing is, you AREN'T a troll - you're not just trying to get inside our heads and get us riled up. You really believe that crap!
Jesus, forgive me for what I am about to say:
Rot in Hell, John.
John, what do you swallow that fucks up your mind so totally ?
Never mind, I don't really want to communicate with you.
Killing Terrorists is fun and easy, it's seperating them from the herds of Muslims that is difficult.
Stehpinkeln | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:46 am | #
It is fundamental to good systems design that it is far preferable to make problems go away by good design rather than complicating the design by attacking those problems explicitly.
In this case, the correct approach is obvious: it is not necessary (or possible) to "separate" terrorists from the "herd". Just kill them all. Problem solved.
Engineer | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 11:04 am | #
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Oh, but you're talking about machines, not people, huh? GET REAL.
"Once again I find myself extending sympathies in the wake of an Al Qaeda attack. This attack was particularly horrendous as it targeted innocent children."
TaSS New York, USA | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 12:04 pm | #
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AQ will go down as some of the sickest bastards in history of crime and deviancy...do you suppose that is what they are fighting for - do they really think anything else can result? They truly have taken leave of reality - that is, after all, the definition of psychotic (killers)..
The soldiers were giving candy to the children, and the cockroach drove up and blew himself up.
Human rights, amnesty bullshit, I don't care, I want to see the terrorists dead, them and if they drag their familes a long to fucking bad. Perhaps this will be the wake up call where those on the fence will wake up.
wahaabist and Baathist terrorism must stop and if that means hitting them hard then let's roll.
I actually thought it was quite funny in Fallujah how AL jazeera and the other terrorist news media reported how the dogs were eating the corpses of insurgnets, I thought to myself, how fitting, they died for their cause and their reward was being turned into a pile of dog shit.
ANd I alos thought how that was insulting to dog shit.
"The sick crusaders insects who Omar hosts at this site...Given your gruesome hate it seems like a real possiblity.
What I can't understand is why Omar allows hate to propagate on his blog!"
anonymous | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 12:18 pm | #
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I notice something in your post anon. While rightly condemning the overreaction of people to the brutal murders of children you COMPLETELY FORGOT to mention those murders and what to do about them...is there some reason for that?
btw: Talking about killing all ______(fill in the blank) is a bunch of BS.
What kind of tyranny will the Iraqis suffer, if the terrorists win?
Alex Kovnat | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 12:34 pm | #
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What kind of tyranny will the world suffer if the terrorists win?
Luke, 
i do believe,someone here, as not read
the last paragragh of Mohammed's
statement....shoot,i can't even
guess who it could be.......
i do not sense that in any post
they have made......like i asked
before....show me a post the brothers
want us out!!!!!!!
people!!!keep talking to it...they
love it...look up internet trolls u
are giving it the attention that it
feeds on...great to agrue to a point,
but this person is high on being
negative...and once again i will do
"Egypt wants revenge for the death of its Diplomat in Iraq.
http://www.jordantimes.com/wed/n.../wed/n.../news/
news7.htm
And they said they will deliver.
RG | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 12:48 pm | #
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Wow, check out this pull quote from that article you linked RG:
"On Egyptian television on Monday, Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit vowed to "take vengeance on the killers of the head of the Egyptian mission in Iraq." Though he did not specify how Egypt could take action, it was an unusually aggressive statement for a government that has refrained from vocal criticism of the insurgency in Iraq."
If Egypt and other predominantly Muslim nations can join in in the fight against the Death Cult they will have fewer and fewer places to run their coward hides to.
Egypt could always infiltrate the terrorist cells with Egyptian agents and bust 'em up from within.
Just a thought.
· Sweet 16 year old Atefeh Rajabi was publicly hanged in the city centre in Neka in Iran on 15 August 2004 for "acts incompatible with chastity".
· In April this year, Amina was publicly stoned to death in Argu district, Afghanistan after being accused of adultery by her husband.
· This month, physicians have been beaten for treating female patients and women have been brutally attacked for not being veiled in Basra, Iraq.
The list is endless.
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Teach your children well. And make sure the girls can handle a weapon as well as you!
Lee -
"The question is do we simply passively resist by reacting to each new heinous act, or do we proactively and with cold, dispassionate brutal fury pursue them and destroy them?" by F15C
The righteous who protect the innocent must close their hearts to do what they must do, - the Jihadi terrorists have no hearts! The suggestion is that we have to pursue and destroy the terrorists by moving from warm to cold, compassionate to dispassionate, kind to brutal, and peacefulness to fury in order to eradicate the world of the terrorists. I may stand corrected by F15C, but this is what I understood from the above quote - my favourite of his comment.
Cluadia Rosett, WSJ; Saddam and Al Qaeda
http://www.opinionjournal.com/co...t/? id=110006953
Sharp Shooter | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 1:47 pm | #
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Thanks Sharp Shooter.
Excerpt:
"Actually, there were many connections, as Stephen Hayes and Thomas Joscelyn, writing in the current issue of the Weekly Standard, spell out under the headline "The Mother of All Connections." Since the fall of Saddam, the U.S. has had extraordinary access to documents of the former
Baathist regime, and is still sifting through millions of them. Messrs. Hayes and Joscelyn take some of what is already available, combined with other reports, documentation and details, some from before the overthrow of Saddam, some after. For page after page, they list connections--with names, dates and details such as the longstanding relationship between Osama bin Laden's top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and Saddam's regime."
(They took a school and murdered children specifically in Beslan too, but people tend to forget.)
Lee C. ― U.S.A. | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 2:01 pm | #
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Exactly - they are the child killing Death Cult...they also killed 3 dozen Baghdadi children about a year ago..
BA,
I consider them as psychopathic un-Islamic 'jihadis' who feed on the hatred spewed out by these crusader trolls. It is interesting that the recent SUICIDE bombers in England were well acquainted with your democracy and freedom and still opted for terror-they seem to know your ideology very well. So imagine how it is for me trying to inject reason and fairness here having to contend with you lot who stir up anger and hatred and avoid conciliation. It is a double hell to be bombed on one end and subjected to made-up-stories and hatred on the other. But you trolls will lose, in the end because there will be an accomodation. It's the only way.
Like skin tone, the Brits pale in comparison to what Iraqis have been upper lipping....
Condolences and kudos to the Iraqi people.....
Turn 'em in. Turn 'em out. Your society does not deserve this kind of depravity....
Scott from Oregon | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 2:38 pm | #
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Hear, hear!
Iraqis are amazing people - I'm more convinced of it every day! We stand with you Iraq. Please know that..
May your mothers be comforted from this great day of tragedy..
Get this, the anonymous hall monitor has been silently working to resolve the world's problems, and all this time, we 'crusader trolls' have been throwing obstacles in his path.
How's the Constitution coming??
Andrea in NY | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 2:49 pm | #
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5.0 Promote the Rule of Law
• Iraqi judges, including Chief Justice Medhat, identified the judiciary's top priorities for
the constitution. The judges prioritized judicial independence and the protection of
individual judges. The group also discussed the role the Iraqi judiciary should play
in assessing the constitutionality of Iraqi laws. The statement from the judges will be
presented to the Iraqi Constitution Drafting Committee.
Constitution Update:
• On July 4, Transitional National Assembly (TNA) Deputy Speaker Husayn
Shahristani announced the expansion of the Constitutional Drafting Committee
to include 15 Sunni Arabs and one Sabean nominated from outside the TNA to
join the constitution- drafting process as core members. Thirteen other Sunni
Arabs were also appointed as expert advisors to the committee.
• The Iraqi women’s caucus recently met with USAID to discuss ways to ensure
Iraqi organizations and institutions are legally protected regardless of gender,
ethnicity and religion. An Islamic scholar was in attendance to explore
constitutional issues viewed in the context of Islamic law. USAID will also
provide access to constitutional experts. The women’s caucus has a draft
statement to take to their parties and will be using the tools gained during
advocacy training sessions to encourage their parties to agree to the concepts
they have been discussing.
Bruce Anderson | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 12:06 am | #
"I consider them as psychopathic un-Islamic 'jihadis' who feed on the hatred spewed out by these crusader trolls. It is interesting that the recent SUICIDE bombers in England were well acquainted with your democracy and freedom and still opted for terror-"
The un-wise ANON
And one had an eight month old child. So instead of rasing her, he killed innocent people. Why would he do that? Because America is evil right ANON?
You are a fool.
america is entirely responsible for the quagmire
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Right you are Johnny boy! We should have used nukes. What a dumb ass.
but liberals don't like America anyway so this is how they do their part to try and knock us down a peg... no matter who dies for it.
sodapants | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 2:57 pm | #
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Soda: I think you're confusing liberals with these child killers...the problem with liberals in this, imho, is that they have made it clear that they don't want to do anything pro-actively about it..a vast percentage of the liberals around the world want us to 'get the hell out of Iraq' or some such sentiment.
They want us to do nothing - despite all victories and other evidences supporting exactly why we should be doing something; and doing something IN IRAQ, right now.
Jesus, forgive me for what I am about to say: Rot in Hell, John.
Slartibartfast | Email | Homepage |
slartibartfast, I would gladly rot within the definition and parameters of your hell, if I wasn't an athiest I might even consider it a version of "heaven"!
Shit, how would anyone who preaches your version of normalacy versus atrocity be anything other than psychotic, you god loving clone!
I'd rather take my chances with the flesh eating zombies from a romero film, than rely on your view of world order!
Your fucking wars are really starting to piss me off! The apologists are sounding lamer after every stroke! The collaborators are increasingly disgusting in their bile! The americans version of converting people to democracy is as convincing as it is reavling in their acquiescence to the slaughter of innocents and their propogandist ideology of blaming it on everyone else other than themselves!
"they seem to know your ideology very well. So imagine how it is for me trying to inject reason and fairness here having to contend with you lot who stir up anger and hatred and avoid conciliation"
The un-wise ANON
What is our ideology?
Conciliation?, You nuts just killed 27 children.
This fool contends terrorism is an act of reason and fairness.
AA,
Children? So did those devout Christians in Waco Texas. I don't excuse religious fanatics on either side but I know the atmosphere which causes them to flourish is one where hate speech is acceptable and peace is condemned. I speak out against extreme speech where every I am, it is poison to society and this place is full of it.
ANON, IS JOHN THE RACIST ARAB. BE ADVISED.
the Big Pharoh has a great comparision as to how this story is being covered in the Arab press.
http://www.bigpharaoh.blogspot.com/
And he suggests that we help get a change at Al Jazeera. Send an email to your Senators, Representatives, and the White House.
thewiz | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 3:09 pm | #
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Thanks Wiz..
btw: He's suggesting the US insist Qatar to make changes in Al Jazeera..
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Excerpt:
Al Arabiya:
- Al Arabiya mentioned that kids were killed
- They mentioned the "candy story"
Al Jazeera:
- Al Jazeera website did not mention that kids were killed. They just said that "24 Iraqis and one US soldier was killed".
- They did not mention the "candy story".
JANET RENO and the Clinton adminisration killed those people in WACO. Devout Christians?, that's not for me to judge.
There once was a clown named soda
As inflated as an aged Carol Doda....
He sqeaked out a livin'
in a state of oblivon...
and squeaked out a few "why I oughta's ..."
There once was a clown named John.
Who, quite frankly, was crapped on.
But his deserving demean
And his thoughts, quite obscene
Shrieked louder than Celine P. Deion
There existed the heroic wxjames
who knew not the Nile from the Thames,
but he shuddered to think
(and then farted and stank)
before uttering more of his whims....
Let's see... Who is gonna be next?
"I speak out against extreme speech where every I am, it is poison to society and this place is full of it"
What is EXTREME, in your veiw, SIR ANAN???
These poor children have been used by the terrorist to drive a wedge between the Coalition forces and the Iraqis. They believe by killing children Iraqis will be to scared to associate with the soldiers.
I pray that this evil has the opposite effect. Then we can all see the child killers pay for what they are doing.
Big question : why are american soldiers absolutly unable to secure Irak ?
I mean, if the insurgents are "few crazy men" how the strongest army on earth cannot -doesnt't want ?- to beat them ?
Fishy.
"I speak out against extreme speech where every I am, it is poison to society and this place is full of it"
I think the Nazis had the same view.
Who said a "few crazy men".
Keebler, where ya been, boy ?
Stick to cookies, Keebler, your poetry is fleeting.
Ash | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 3:15 pm | #
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Hey Ash - your first post today has nothing to do with condolences to the Iraqis but instead is some venture of yours as a partisan wonk. You a$$.
we hold back for two simple reasons.
we have to kill with the government and we don't trust it, and we have to share our democracy with leech and quagmire john quagmire.
in thelong run it is what saves us.
but don't be fooled ni thinking the john and leech arent going to get theirs obviously their sentence is to live an empty and meaningless life of a coward critic that lives in the grey twilight of neither victory nor defeat.
we could every terrorist in the world in about a month, but the force would be so deadly that it would probably kill us too.
let the idiots sing, start a museum for them.
As for the kids,just remember that God has a special place for them and that we ahve to keep them in our hearts too. Things happen for a reason and hopefully this will open some hearts and helprebuild Iraq that much faster.
And whomever it was that talked about shootings at checkpoints, youre so absolutely stupid to think that the soldiers that see and do that stuff are not forever screwed up by that shit. Why do think there's so much outreach to thekids and orphans in Iraq that the medieval beasts LOOK FOR TIMES THE SOLDIERS ARE GREETING THE KIDS!!!!
Don't believe the hype, keep your musket clean as a whistle, and don't forget that we're going to win!!
Islam and Islamic world will look back atthese times as a great reawakening and rebirth of spirituality and understanding. We just have a hard time seeing it while we're in it.
au sponte
RLTW
Ok Gloves off I am going to call a spade a spade
What kind of culture, religion, breeds and feeds these maggots that blow themselves up and intentionally targets children. This society is beyond sick.
Until the culture breeding and feeding these maggots gets the balls to eliminate this slime whereever they are in Palistine,Iraq,Bali,US,Saudia,UK,Spainor elswhere then you reap what you sow. These cultures will never have a civilized society as long as they shrink from standing up against these maggots?
prominent muslims need to start condeming this kind of crap... which none so far have done that I know of....
sodapants | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 3:16 pm | #
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Soda: Yes. By the way, a prominent Muslim in Iraq somewhere did mention and condemn the London bombings before Friday prayers in his mosque...that's a good start and happened in Free Iraq!
Mohammed and Omar, I hope you enjoy this link from Tim Blair speaking of one of your Iraqi heroes who is now a hero of Australia also.
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php...st_and_bravest/
Colonel Muhammad must be brought to Australia so that he can be properly thanked. I'd definitely shout him a beer.
ANON, WHAT IS EXTREMISM?
If we are extreme, then what was the man who drove a car into a crowd of children, killing 27? Was he extreme by your judgment as well, ANON.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_ne...ews/
4679001.stm
"Bashir Ahmed, 65, could not believe Shehzad Tanweer, who studied religion in Pakistan, was responsible. "It must have been forces behind him," he said." quote from link
Why is it, relatives and friends are always shocked when a homicide/suicide bomber blows himself up or flies into a building, even though when they look back they see all the telltale signs.
I know a Muslim Pakistani man educated in London in Computer Sciences and in another degree. He is such a nice fellow, with a great sense of humour - what are the chances he could become a homicide/suicide bomber? It seems these men become very religious and secretive prior to becoming a homicide/suicide bomber - perhaps, the signs should be documented just the same as anyone wishing to commit suicide. Why does anyone so young want to leave life behind? Why don't old men become homicide/suicide bombers? Do they think they can't handle 72 virgins or what?
Saving the kids...
How nice but do you know USA are number 1 for child maltreatment deaths ?
Definition: Child maltreatment deaths per 100000 population under 15 (1990s).
1. United States 2.2 per 100,000 children
I'm quite sure that many surviving kids go to the army and maltreat people the way they were molested when they were young...
Scroll John - he is one sick dude!
Peter the Freedom Freeloader,
"Boots on the ground says: "I'm going to probably buy a lot of candy when I go to the PX in the camp. That way, I can hand it out to the kids. They'll be more likely to help us avoid things we wouldn't otherwise be able to avoid if not for them. If most of the adults liked us as much as the kids, hell, we wouldn't even have to wear body armor. Some group of kids tried to get us to play soccer with them!"
So it was for PR that the kids were getting candy!
I read another blog that sees it as 'US troops use kids as human shields'.
When I first saw that, I was angry, but then I saw what USMC said--
"Some will say at least it draws a line for the population between good and evil, but I wear a flack and helmet and don't care to endanger a child to give him or her food clothing and toys."--it was clear that the 'anger' was hyped. I hope the US Army stops playing Santa in a war zone which is taking too great a risk.
I blame such tragic incidents on 'the war'(Bush's war) first and leave bloody vengence to GOD.
Joanne, the thought of 72 women IS terrorism to any experienced man.
Antoine, your dumb.
ummm sodapants if lying were a crime even your pal Bush would be in the slammer. Lying under oath is a crime however.
Ash | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 4:09 pm | #
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Ash, you're suggesting President Bush lied?! Talk..
Antoine, your dumb++++
Yeah sure. Explain me why ?
Just tell why US Army doesn't make Iraq safer ?
ANON, drink some more KOOL AID. SERVICE IS AT NOON.
WELCOME TO THE UNITED SOCIALIST CHURCH OF THE DNC
THE REV. Al Gore will be speaking at noon, about the inevitable destruction of the earth, (The apocolypse global warming.)
THE REV, JOHN KERRY, will be speaking at 2:00 pm
Discussing appeasment and ass kissing.
If we didn‘t have nukes, other nations wouldn‘t want them.
I think human nature is good.
Socialism is the way.
The UN this, and the UN that.
Do you like ponys?
THE REV, HILLARY CLINTON.
Will be speaking of her dream of a new world order, ‘The Great Socialistic Village;’ and about the sanctity of a woman womb.
The REV, HOWARD DEAN will Welcome you to the grand she-ocracy.
ARE YOU A WHITE CHRISTIAN? IF SO, YOU WILL LEARN………………
+You oppress women.
+You kill American Indians
+You break treaties
+You enslaved black and brown people.
+You kill Muslims.
+You kill Mexicans.
+You kill South Americans.
+You kill the British, but that’s OK because they are white oppressors too.
+You try to control woman’s bodies.
+you hate homos.
+you cant dance.
+you get all the good jobs.
+You get paid more to do the same work as woman.
+You’re a racist. .
+You are a segregationist.
+You are a Fascist Nazi.
+If you don’t express racism verbally, your part of the ‘systematic racist system’.
+You are the cause of all problems in the world.
And because of your sins, YOU MUST BE SAVED.
JOIN THE CHURCH OF UNITED SOCIALIST LIBRALISM, because we love you..
Master criminals, with nothing but hatred and an ability to brainwash the weak. They have no value or values. They have no religion. No decency. No purpose.
What they should have is death. I wish they could all have death.
an american-- YOU ARE, YOU'RE...
'Your dumb' means that dumb belongs to you (w e l l...?)
Antoine-- Something you should think about. You'll find that the US leads in statistics in many abuse categories.... Before you begin to gloat up a storm, consider this-- the US actually spends a fortune investigating and tracking these things. Not sure where you are from, but I wonder what kind of statistics get ACURATELY compiled? Anyway, you might not wanna go whole hog on your line of thought before you actually start to think....
Because our majic-wand is broken.
pick me racist
omar only lets me blog here because
of the way i look....and u have no
idea what i look like....
what the hell happened to u after
your vacation from last year?????
u were a good person....before that...
too bad....soooooo very sad u are
so negative....and soooooo against
omar's blog and his happiness!!!!!
to be FREE!!!!!!
ONCE AGAIN
cicio, I love apologists who fail to recognize the atrocity of war! what kind of culture breeds maggots that invade other countries under whatever pretext or guile, blows up their cities and murders their civilians without cause!
If American society continues to perpetuate a culture, or elect presidents that feeds off their self perpetuating maggot like populous, that perceives all of their so called enemies as slime, they will never be considered as civilized in any sense of what would be a commonly understood sense of humanity!
cicio, you entirely bed wetting fool, you see how easy it is! better to re-engage in whatever masturbating fantasy you had in mind for tonight!
or give Scott a hand with his mentally impaired or delayed prose! Better he revert to smiley faces, the sad, sorry, half assed excuse for a carpenter!
Anon, oh how I have missed you. Yes I can see how soldiers being nice to children can so upset you. And yes if the parents thought as highly of the Americans as the children then they wouldn't need body armour. Hell they probably would be able to walk around peaceful streets were people are able to enjoy their lives and be happy.
Now we won't want that now would we.
Hameed - you are such a nice fellow, a real gem - always a voice of reason! I can't even put into words the coldness I feel for those terrorists and the great compassion I feel for the Iraqi children harmed and killed in the terrorist blast, and for their distraught parents and relatives.
AA,
You need the UN world government, you need them to take your guns away, you need to be enslaved by democrats, you need to be brainwashed. Because you're a crazy out-of-control proto-terrorist.
The only problem is that the rightist lunatic fringe in America is much bigger than it is in Iraq.
I'm glad you asked, John! *slap*
Lets examine the reality once again... but this time from a war footing.
Everyone agrees,... yes, even liberals and assorted useless democrats, because they've made a headline point when they babble...
...that we're having trouble with the insurgency because we cannot control the borders, right?
Well, a simple inventory of terms indicates that, since the rabble-rousers are coming from Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and so on.. and are streaming into the country to cause havok!!..... that we're losing the peace!!
Not so! What we have here by definition is not an insurgency at all... since insurgencies are home grown opposition... WHat we have here in reality is an invasion by froeigners that liberals want to pretend is Iraqi opposition to the effort.
It isn't that at all...
So if you want to get frank then i'm more than willing to explain to you, in simple terms, what you need to know while you're committing treason.
Antoine--There is no way to defend against a group of people who meld into the populace without just going in and wiping out the populace. Soldiers stand in the middle of the road, targets to all kinds of attacks, and attempt to sift through who is good and who is bad. Overwhelming firepower only kills people, it does not separate them. Think Antoine. How would YOU separate a civilian from a bomber if you were asked to do so?
SODAPANTS
Hey how the hell are ya!
the men who commited this were obviously no resistance fighters, but simply terrorists.
this does not contradict
the existance of resistance fighters in iraq. compared to them, the terrorists are a minority!
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Here we have sod's first post and no condolences - what are you lefties - heartless? All the 'right wing wackjob Bushie brigade' came on here and expressed sorrow and condolences...is that beneath (more like above) you?
"the existance of resistance fighters in iraq. compared to them, the terrorists are a minority!"
Bunk - the 'resistance fighters' you and johnny boy worship on the left are nothing but two bit criminals or terrorist wannabes..to wit an article that was linked earlier:
"The Sunni Arab and al Qaeda gangs continue to attack, however. There are hundreds of these gangs, often containing fewer than a dozen men. The gang (or "cell" in milspeak) members are often related to each other, or are neighborhood friends. Many of these gangs easily switch between criminal and terrorist operations. The lawless attitude that supports this sort of thing is another result of decades of Saddam's rule, which was notable for its corruption, lawlessness and use of terrorism to control the population.
Bruce Anderson | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 8:31 pm | #
isn't it wonderous how liberals will search for a reason to blame Americans for anything nuder the sun?
Yes, i'm questioning their patriotism...
Hi Dcat... i'm ok.. nice to see ya...
AA,
"You need the UN world government, you need them to take your guns away, you need to be enslaved by democrats, you need to be brainwashed. Because you're a crazy out-of-control proto-terrorist.
The only problem is that the rightist lunatic fringe in America is much bigger than it is in Iraq."
ANON= EXTREMIST
And this nut calls me extreme, sorry I can't stop laughing.
Heartless Freedom Freeloader,
You disappoint me--you approve of soldiers giving candy to kids in a war zone. Wasn't it lucky the suicide bomber came along to kill 24 poor kids so you could make good propaganda!!!
There were no "terrorism" when Saddam was President. Saddam kills roughly a thousand people per month and inspired fear. How many people killed since the invasion ?
The big problem you have is that a big slice of the populace does support actively or passively the insurgency...
no stockpiles of WMDs have been found in iraq so far.
none will be found.
THE SEARCH IS OVER!
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Sod, are you suggesting that SH sitting on billions of oil currency provided no WMD threat into the future? Are you that short sighted?
Saddam murdered his own folks all the time you putz...
I think, in my mind anyway.. i'd support the invasion of anyone if they put people into industrail shredders.. regardless of what else they did....
Ya know... fvck 'em.... They deserve far worse than Hague lawyers and a process to begin with.... yet liberals cry...
liberals are bad for humanity..
Not sure where you are from, but I wonder what kind of statistics get ACURATELY compiled?++++
Unicef. Did this particular stat surprise you ?
My condolences to the families and to all Iraqis.
After 9/11 people were saying "Today, we are all Americans". After the London atrocities, I saw "Today, we are all Londoners".
I guess, most days we are all Iraqis.
EuroBrit | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 4:46 pm | #
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Hear, hear - well said - may the mothers in Iraq be comforted...
if a government dictates it... liberals love it...
That's their God, ya know... They want to ban religeon because their aint enough room in the world town for the both of 'em..
"Heartless Freedom Freeloader,
You disappoint me--you approve of soldiers giving candy to kids in a war zone. Wasn't it lucky the suicide bomber came along to kill 24 poor kids so you could make good propaganda!!!"
Ya, it was a secret CIA conspiracy.
nonsense.. may the mothers in Iraq get revenge on the bastards who murdered their kids...
Let's see. North Korean wasn't making nukes, oh no, they were just busy starving to death. Iran isn't making nukes, oh no, it is just an alternative fuel supply - yah right, like they need it. Iraq was just too busy killing their own people to bother with nukes, yah, that's right. Who has time to build nukes, when you're busy terrorizing and torturing. Not! Let's get real. If Iran gets the nuke, Saudi Arabia will want the nuke. Look at India and Pakistan - they weren't going to let one have the upper-hand on the other. Wake up! Does anyone really think Saddam was going to let the countries surrounding Iraq in the Middle East have one up on him. I guess building palaces was his priority. Yup, that's it!
When I was in Somalia we used to do everything we could to chase them off, or at least keep them a good fifty feet away. When we had them around us the gangsters would shoot at us (usually hitting the young'uns) knowing that we would try to get the kids out of the way before shooting back.
USMC | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 4:49 pm | #
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Thanks USMC and for your service to the nation and world..isn't that just the difference between those with values and those without..
Hoo- ah to the US Military men and women - we stand behind you and support you...make us proud...
…the sad, sorry, half assed excuse for a carpenter!
Okay Scott. I wanna know how you rate your own special anti-American following here in John. I know Jesus was a carpenter, but that can't be it I'd not think. Gotta be more to it than that. (And I don't wanna read about "Scott the Organ" again; that was more than I wanted to know about the first time; so, aside from what Lisa likes, what is it got John down on your ass?)
Islam must cut the cancerous flesh from its body, or it will perish. Mohammed and Omar can't do it alone. Many more need to step forward. Bravest of souls.
Melissa in Norcal | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 4:57 pm | #
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Yes, well said..
Anon, you should go beat on your bongo drums, you stink of patchouli, and it is quite foul. You make a fine radical, here at the pinnacle of your indoctrination in the fine tradition of Rachel Crollie. Perhaps there is a bulldozer to sit in front of somewhere?
So if you want to get frank then i'm more than willing to explain to you, in simple terms, what you need to know while you're committing treason.
soda, a breath of fresh air, at least we have diametrical opposition here, there are apologistists with mystifying agendas here, or boring platitudes! So, considering that america is once again going down the same path as South East Asia! No definable goals, no exit strategies! clearly no collaborators to take over control of the country they've invaded, provide an upbeat analysis as to how your two thousand military deaths were worth it??
How about not mentioning the election or the puppet government or the elimination of Saddam, define it in intelligble terms! Or are you in a nuke Islam mood??
Someone please tell me, that the crazy people on this comment section will one day realize that they are just that---crazy.
I know you cannot negotiate with a terrorist criminal--but can you never make a crazy "commentor" sane?
Terrorists are the bad guys. This should be the focus.
Anon, so now I am heartless an I? Why do you not attack the evil bastards who committed this crime? It is only you who talk about handing out candy as a PR exercise. If you ask me it is caring about these children and making friends.
You do know what friends are don't you?
As for human shields, what a load of bullshit. These soldiers have endangered themselves, removing themselves from the protection of their vehicles, to share candy with children! They idea of having human shields is to gather extra protection not to endanger yourself.
By the way their is 150 fellow "freedom freeloaders" heading to Afghanistan, I bet they would love to have a "discussion"with you.
The NY Times had a column today on "werenotafraid.com". It summarized the site by saying it was really the "haves" telling the "have nots" that they weren't afraid. The notion of the "haves", shown sunning themselves on beaches, in nice cars, etc., was a stretch, I thought. Instead, I think these were photos of people enjoying themselves to emphasize their lack of fear. Typical NYT.
Nothing short of complete and utter eradication of the Islamist cancerous filth, their supporters and syncophants, will stop them from killing more children - including perhaps yours or mine.
F15C | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 5:29 pm | #
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Thanks F15 - wow, some very challenging thoughts you've elaborated.
"the Islamist cancerous filth" - this is what I refer to as the child killing Death Cult - as clearly distinguished from good, average Islamic people..
"…two 20 year old sarin shells, found on a rubbish dumb are NO STOCKPILE of WMDs.…"
Screw you asshole; of course they are. That's all the proof we need. Rednecks rally ‘round here!
Lee C. ― U.S.A. | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 5:37 pm | #
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Are you saying SH would not have been a future threat of WMD use?
There's one I'd not have guessed.
dcat openly welcomes the return of the famed sparklebutt after his long absence. (Not surprised she'd welcome his input; just surprised she'd do it publicly).
Bruce: Thanks for the constitution update. Just an "advisor" to watch out for Islam?
Peter - Australia - I guess this must mean American troops hand out candy so they can be killed and injured too - must be a new military mentality we've not heard of before. Yes, that's it - American troops have a death wish and want to take down as many Iraqi children with them as they can. Gee, I'm amazed nobody has come up with this spin yet.
No, not really, typical Andrea!
Since terrorists will kill human children, maybe they are of a different species.
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True, and they allow their own children to blow themselves up in a homicidal frenzy - AND THEN TAKE MONEY FOR IT...how sick is that?
MY NECK IS NOT RED.
Quotes from war-mongering Democrats
Via an email from a friend, I have a collection of fascinating and apparently true quotes which seem worth sharing. While I have not verified each quote, I have read some of them before, so I suspect the rest are true. (Anyone who can show otherwise, please let me know.....)
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry ( D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapon stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
Did Bush lie?
you're a delusional liberal, John.. Saddam is in prison and his army defeated and replaced. Soverignty has been turned over and elections were a huge success, despite the efforts of your terrorist pals. YOu've lost... and violence afterwards is expected to those who aren't total morons. Germany was the same way after WWII. It was 7 years and a hell of a lot more than 2000 deaths later before things became relatively normal. I just don't understand what you're saying here. Either you're an idiot.. or you're an enemy. That's all I can come up with....
Lee-- are you asking me why John don't like me? First of all, I confuse him. When looking for allies, he presupposed that if I was against right wing nuttiness and bipolar thinking, then I'd be FOR him. Or WITH him. John puts out a deranged product that NOBODY buys. All alone, he is slowly going insane like the gollum we all know and love....
His precious is his hate for America.
Opps, before Bruce Anderson catches me in in a major philosophical mistake.
That should have been "its very best…" (possessive pronoun not a contraction)
Lee C. ― U.S.A. | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 5:53 pm | #
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That's 'Oops' not Opps, but good job on the other correction.. Wow, now the typos and corrections have become 'philisophical.' lol..
"True, and they allow their own children to blow themselves up in a homicidal frenzy - AND THEN TAKE MONEY FOR IT...how sick is that?"
Bruce Anderson
Boggles the mind!
"the Islamist cancerous filth" - this is what I refer to as the child killing Death Cult - as clearly distinguished from good, average Islamic people..
typical Bruce, the scary reality is he might be living in an neighbourhood near you! when you have this manner of disorder he might one day consider you as cancerous islamist fiflth, then you're in the paper as another unfortunate victimn!
That is how they will win.
F15C | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 6:13 pm | #
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That is how they will seek to win.
please give me credit when you call john Gollum.. it's only proper....
if I were a terrorist asshole.. i'd be more worried about the Iraqi women than the US military...
War is war.. but when you fvck with someone's kids... yikes...
that is... assuming they love their kids... which, of course they do...
Counterterrorism specialists disdain the British. Roger Cressey calls London “easily the most important jihadist hub in Western Europe.” Steven Simon dismisses the British capital as “the Star Wars bar scene” of Islamic radicals. More brutally, an intelligence official said of last week’s attacks: “The terrorists have come home. It is payback time for ... an irresponsible policy.”
Mister Ghost | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 6:33 pm | #
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Wow, scary stuff...time for things to change...people can only be complacent so long...we truly live in a global village now...we cannot remain insular and isolated - we (the Civilized world) must engage..
the invasion of Iraq will fail... it jus takes time and other measures.
I'd bet that if we started bombing Iran, attacks in Iraq would decline...
eh....?
Yes Soda--the lioness and her cub.
""Not sure where you are from, but I wonder what kind of statistics get ACURATELY compiled?++++"
Unicef. Did this particular stat surprise you ?""
No Antoine, it did not surprise me. One of the things you realize if you travel much, is how much more introspective the US is as a whole. We over-analyze and over-study, trying to get it right. What happens then, is statistics get better kept, and numbers appear larger than other countries.... You think Mexico spends a big sum tracking parental abuse? Get real. And UNICEF does not have the manpower to do it either. They rely on reported stats....
In other words, even though the US has problems and horrendous scenarios within its borders, it is simply a country, full of people, some of whom are bad and dull and problematic. Right soda?
The first thing I thought of when the bombs went of in London was.. "Boy.. those people just bombed the wrong folks..."
Why? .. Well,.. we're talking about the Brits here... not the French.
These people know damn well what real bombings are, thanks to the Germans.
No silly train bomb is going to make a Brit cower... please..
I actually laughed at the stupidity of the terrorists here....
It'll just piss 'em off....
Where is your outrage about all the innocent Iraqis shot up at checkpoints etc? We never hear you about that. Why not?
Steve | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 6:52 pm | #
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Where's YOUR outrage and sympathy for TODAY'S victims and the mothers of these kids??! Often people here give expressions of sympathy for those who've died in the struggle for freedom and against tryanny...I guess you have been selectively reading..
thats what i have got to say to the
disrespect for omar's blog.....
negative people!!!!!
www.werenotafraid.com!!!!!!!
soda....PUT in a photo
"I was wrong on that one…"
Yeah, but you're still smarter than me, right?
Lee C. ― U.S.A. | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 7:19 pm | #
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Lee, give it up, you egomaniac..
I can't Andy.. I'm too handsome.. hehheh... Order would be lost!
Human rights should be the same for all people; minorities in race or religion should not recieve special rights or treatments created specifically for them, just for the sake of appeasement.
This moral equivalence which allows the monsters that commit such atrocities to be known as "patriotic resistance" or "freedom fighters" is appaling.
The people in the United States that push this garbage, including some in what they prefer to call the "mainstream media" undermine the Iraqi people's effort to overcome the sad history inflicted upon you now and during the hideous reign of Hussein.
These Orwellian revisionist liberals have the blood of innocent children on their hands. And more people, Iraqis, Americans and others will die as a result of this inability or unwillingness to call EVIL by it's name.
Hey, John what happened to your Bush Lied, alter ego. You should bring that back, it was much more humorous, than the usual ranting.
Who are these people. THEY PURPOSELY KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN. My GOD. Why can't we find them? Where do they hide? What rats nest do they sleep in at night. Who aids these people? WHAT MADMAN WOULD AID and ABED THESE PEOPLE. This is caused by a deep sickness within Islamic tyrannical culture, a sickness so dark and profound, it can only be described as TRUE evil. Still leftists will blame America...
an american | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 7:32 pm | #
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Thanks American - well said..
...the Cowards...
Hameed Abid | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 7:50 pm | #
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That is INDEED what they are Hameed..
Mike-- show one source where today's bombers were described by anyone other than John, perhaps, as "patriotic resistance"....
Orwellian revisionist liberals.... Wow, I haven't come across that one before. Cracker Jacks? Or Frosted Flakes?
it's like anything else... it just takes enough people to get tired of the bullshit...
Iranians....Syrians.. Saudi's... and so...
The welcome mat is getting smaller with every bomb. Don't fret, folks. Iraq is a new democracy.... it takes time to clean up the losers....
And hey,.... they haven't backed down have they?? No...
They'll be fine..and have a history and hero's to proud of as we do.....
bwaahahhahahhahahha......
just do it soda!!!!!
www.werenotafraid.com
Do you think you can explain...
Lee C. ― U.S.A. | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 8:03 pm | #
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Explain? We're talking about John moronic here...'explain' is not a part of his tool kit..
Isn't it funny...*ahem*.. that the press is more interested in framing Karl Rove than reporting a huge terrorism operation in London??
Can it get any more obvious??
And no, we are not afraid. We also still like a good piece of candy though it may be bittersweet for a time. Much love to you and your family, we will not falter. Not you, not us, not ever.
ModDem | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 8:05 pm | #
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I think you are the first liberal here that actually gave condolences to those that lost kids today...for that I thank you..
Ahhh, Mod gives the impression of having a bit of sense here and there.... for a liberal.. ya know.. heh
You know Americans will be attacked, you know they are despised..
John | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 8:08 pm | #
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Johnny moron - neither of these comments is generally true in Iraq - get your facts straight - oh that's right - forgot who I was talking to for a second...facts are not big concerns of yours..
Yes, some small percentage (and getting smaller) of child killers will attack US troops, under the cover of night or using kamakaze tactics. A healthy majority of Iraqis support the MNF and even a larger portion support liberation. 8.5 million voted and none of that matters to you...but it sure matters to the sane people on this board..
Quit defending the child killers you sicko.
Soda, have you transformed: you're a delusional liberal, John.. I've never, ever been a liberal, thats so entirely unfair! fucking liberals don't know shit!
Saddam is in prison and his army defeated and replaced. Soverignty(sic) has been turned over and elections were a huge success, despite the efforts of your terrorist pals.
Thats argumentative at best Soda, Saddam, might be in prison, his army has hardly been repLaced, one of his generals is leading the wolf brigade, YOu've lost... and violence afterwards is expected to those who aren't total morons. Germany was the same way after WWII. It was 7 years and a hell of a lot more than 2000 deaths later before things became relatively normal.
I just don't understand what you're saying here. Either you're an idiot.. or you're an enemy. That's all I can come up with....
well, I'm an enemy and you don't know shit! No success here, neither elections, nor security, most likely death and mayhem! by the way did you ooooozzzeee your way into state legislature, hence accounting for your stiiiifffffnessss!!
sodapants | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:55 pm | #
Lee-- are you asking me why John don't like me? First of all, I confuse him.
Way to much self acclamation here Scott, to confuse someone implies a degree of sophistication, you're a fucking carpenter, no one is EVER confused by carpenters, perhaps overcharged but never confused!
When looking for allies, he presupposed that if I was against right wing nuttiness and bipolar thinking, then I'd be FOR him. Or WITH him.
scott, I've never presupposed anything, bipolar affinities yes, you're right, but any supposition as to your agenda, would be like my believing my daughter when she tells me she fell asleep when she comes home at 5 AM!!!
John puts out a deranged product that NOBODY buys. All alone, he is slowly going insane like the gollum we all know and love....
scott, my deranged product sounds like something wet and sultry compared to your love of gollum, by the way how are your work interactions, should we plane it, sand it, stain it, or fuck it???
His precious is his hate for America.
Scott from Oregon | Email | Homepage
My precious Scott is generally a disgust over your frailties! An expression of you little boy, hang on, you poor, sad, sorry, little little boy sort of annoyance!
time to go ... we'll see ya later.. at some point... Hell, ...maybe in a few months! I'm a busy guy...
g'night...
John, that is to long... scroll.
Bruce, when you said:
True, and they allow their own children to blow themselves up in a homicidal frenzy - AND THEN TAKE MONEY FOR IT..?
You didn't mean:
as clearly distinguished from good, average Islamic people.. did you?
You denigrate the tragedy of the slaughter of these poor children with your high school cheerleading demeanor.
I watched BBC on the television today, and they referred to the animal/s that killed the Iraqi children today as insurgents, so I e-mailed BBC and told them to stop calling the terrorists insurgents. Maybe if a few people in the blogosphere contact BBC News and tell them to call these killers what they are, perhaps then BBC will get the message and change their choice of wording.
i'm glad folks like John are the enemy.... heh.. they have no idea what wars are like....
you're doomed, son.. and you're going to lose.. and lose huge.
Well, .. that all rests on the idea that a democrat isn't elected.
Democrats are bad for winning wars....
"Are you saying SH would not have been a future threat of WMD use?"
I think you're missing the point. If a "future threat of WMD use" was important then we'd be invading Pakistan (which actually has the Islamabomb in stock) or Iran, which is working real hard on one thanks in part to help from our friends in Pakistan. Or North Korea, which is actually making threats, and almost certainly has nuke or two, although its capacity to make deliveries is perhaps unknown.
No, what I's writing about there is the need to protect "the truth" (as distinguished from the facts). We must all rally ‘round Saint George the Younger, Savior of the West, and pretend that Operation Iraqi Freedom is justified on the basis of the protecting Saint George from the allegations of "the left" that he might make mistakes.
We can't have that now can we?
If there were mistakes then "the truth" could be questioned in the eyes of the illiterate masses (read: our guys could get voted out of office and not be able to fuck with the faggots' gay marriage thing in Massachusetts.)
The dogmatic truth must prevail over the real facts; facts are our enemy; the truth must prevail.
Saddam was, as you say, a "future threat of WMD use". Best to take him out now before anybody notices he's not such a threat yet and those who are a threat we're blithely ignoring, yes? Otherwise they'll notice that Saint George is just a politician and not really a saint in the mold of Saint Ronald the Elder.
Look, fool there are and were good reasons to start fighting back in Iraq, but pretending we're idiots and your guys gotta be covered against all criticism ain't one of the good reasons to fight it out in Iraq.
ummm sodapants if lying were a crime even your pal Bush would be in the slammer. Lying under oath is a crime however.
Ash | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 4:09 pm | #
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Ash, you're suggesting President Bush lied?! Talk..
Bruce Anderson | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:20 pm | #
Oh, ya, that's right, all of Mr. Bush's incorrect statements were simply a function of 'bad intelligence'.
i'm going to buy my buddy, who's going to Afghanistan next month, a camera..... hope I get some good stuff to post....
For everybody, JOHN is an ARAB Islamic extremist, who pretends he is an AMERICAN liberal. He is a race hater and believes you are an infidel, I'm sure if he had the chance, he would kill you, so never divulge information to you where-abouts. I believe he is psychotic and dangerous.
an american | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 8:10 pm | #
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If you are this John - then why don't you and your ilk come out and fight like men, you panty wastes - instead of killing kids...moron..causing kids pain is one of the sickest acts a human being can do...and John defends them and impugns the MNF troops - whatever you are Johnny moron, you've got a truly a sick mind...
John has shown no compassion for the suffering of these kids and their folks - do we need know more about the wasteland in his head?
what would happen if we decided that there were no innocent muslims?
well, in short... there wouldn't be any...
sodapants | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 8:26 pm | #
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Huh? Whazzat? OK soda, you lost me there..
Lee is an obvious enemy of America... He's not dumb at all... so we know automatically that he's a flip...
Anyway... Bill Clinton sold targeting tech to the Koreans and then acted surprised when their missiles could target our cities. Hmmmm.. Just like you, .. i'm pretty sure 'ol Bill was trying to damage the security of the United States on purpose. He knew what he was doing...and so do you. Traitors be you both.
Forget me not...
...soda.
Bruce, they are indeed cowards, but they are not lost. They are supported, protected, and funded by Syria, Saudi Arabia, and perhaps a majority of the Iraqi Sunnis.
I think I know what to do about it, but I must wait for those who command to realize the right moves.
Men shouldn't wait while children die.
wxjames | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 8:27 pm | #
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Yes, true - this is a very, very tough and protracted problem - that is - extremist Islam, the Death Cult, whatever you call it...and it will be a long fight on many, many fronts...only some of them military..
Don't get excited, Bruce.. I was simply asking what would happen if the rest of started acting like radical muslims....
But damn.. every time I hear some tire-head, wannab cleric tell the world we're all guilty and deserve to die... I lose faith in islam because the support it.. and don't reprimade folks like that..
sodapants | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 8:29 pm | #
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I agree, definitely, in major part - Islam as a viable Faith is on trial here and now. Will she decide to patrol and as you say 'reprimand' those who are of this persuasion or not? This is a hugely important question in the War on Terror/War for Freedom..
night soda
omar and mohammed!!!!
keep going!!!!!!
thank u soooooo much for the updates
i am strong becauce u are strong!!!!
THE trolls on your blog will not
let me fall into their negative
attitudes.......
Lee C. wrote: "Well, no, that's not true either. You're not good at handling it when people actually argue back are you? You opened the discussion of comparative intelligence with your observation of my "obvious intellectual deficits".
S'okay though, I don't mind so much; you can be clever; I'm more interested in being right."
Item number one: You must be hallucinating again, nowhere did I indicate I was smarter than you. It was you who indicated I was the smarter of the two of us. I simply reported what I observed. You write as though you are intellectually challenged, and that is what I stated. While there is a possibility that you may not be intellectually challenged, there is no way that one could tell that from your writings here.
Item number two: For someone so interested in being 'right' your writing strongly suggests that you are only interested in being snide.
You really do nothing but the blogging equivalent of sissy-fight people here, you haven't been 'right' about anything. You have no position, no argument, no substantiated claims. Just snide remarks and effete slaps at people.
Item number three: "You're not good at handling it when people actually argue back are you?"
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. HA. HA. Your denial and transference is textbook, I mean absolutely textbook, classic! That was too freakin' funny. Geez you crack me up. Thanks I needed a good laugh.
You haven't *argued* back at all! You've done nothing but sissy-slap at people from a distance ignoring what they say. You really seem afraid to write anything of substance. There is a strong indication that you have a fear of being shown wrong. That is the best explanation for why you continually refuse to actually reply to anyone with anything substantive. Which brings us to the last item:
"I'm more interested in being right."
In reality you are interested only in not being wrong. That is worlds different than being right. Being right takes work and a willingness to put forth an argument and be prepared to back it up with verifiable data. It is clear from your writing that you believe (probably subconciously) that as long don't actually say anything of substance, you can not be proven wrong and your ego remains intact.
"True Muslims" are obligated to "Holy" war against every "infidel" on earth. They won't stop until they are all dead or we are all "true Muslims" or are diminished to dhimmihood, paying our taxes to the jihadis like good little subdued and submitted infidels. There is no other end to this struggle. The jihadis know this, the West is in denial and wants to "understand their pain and poverty". If the infidels in Iraq manage to defeat the jihadis in Iraq, the goal of establishing the Caliphate the world over will be set back so many years that many Wahabbi jihadists will be disillusioned with the possiblity of victory and may go home to rethink their position, knowing that the promise of "Allah's" inevitable victory was not real, and that they've been lied to by their Imams and leaders. That's why (self preservation) we have to complete the victory of Iraq.
Christina, Montana, USA | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 8:35 pm | #
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This was a good post - thanks.
John | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 8:38 pm | #
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First Johnny moron sides with the child killers and then he wants us to read his posts - what an a$$hole.
Its important for
Iraqi civilians to avoid
if possible American and Iraqi
police/army patrols.
The clerics in the neighborhood
should be used to mediate
any communication that needs
to be done between the security services and the neighborhoods
for which they serve.
Everyone knows the US and Iraqi
security services are targets ...
So new policies must be taken.
The latest NYT story states that
A US military representative stated
that the soldiers WERE NOT giving
out toys/candy to children.
In any case though if The US Soldiers
wish to give treats to the neighborhood children they should
deliver the supplies to the local Mosque and the clerics can
make the distribution say on Saturdays.
Even one childs death is horrible
So they must always be protected.
Its going to be Some time before
all the terrorists can be captured or killed so adjustments to behavior
must be made until security improves
drastically.
Regarding John. He is in a class of his own. One poster, completely understandably, wished him to go to hell.
But John is in hell.
Just look at his writing. If a denizen of hell were to write something on the Baghdad child killing terrorists that is what it would look like.
I suggest John be shunned from this point forward. He exists by sucking souls out with his comments as indicated by the replies to his vile filth. Ignore him he will rot away.
"Item number one: You must be hallucinating again, nowhere did I indicate I was smarter than you."
Okay, it was that I had "obvious intellectual deficits" that you claimed. I just assumed you were pretending to be smarter than that. If you're not making that claim then no reason for me to be bothering with you, ‘cause I think I'm smarter than that, in spite of your assessment, and I see no reason to muck around with self-professed "intellectual deficits".
well, Bruce... the real question is the sirvival of Islam itself i'm afraid.
Lets ask this another way...
Do muslims have to worry about radical catholics? Radical episcopaliens? Radical mormons??
No.. the question itself is absurd.
Time and patience are running out though i'm afraid..... Islam needs to get it in gear...and in a hurry before an impression is cemented for good.
Bali... Spain.. London.. All done in the name of Allah... for jihad....
That isn't playing well with the non-jihadists.... which are most..
I consider them as psychopathic un-Islamic 'jihadis' who feed on the hatred spewed out by these crusader trolls. It is interesting that the recent SUICIDE bombers in England were well acquainted with your democracy and freedom and still opted for terror-they seem to know your ideology very well. So imagine how it is for me trying to inject reason and fairness here having to contend with you lot who stir up anger and hatred and avoid conciliation. It is a double hell to be bombed on one end and subjected to made-up-stories and hatred on the other. But you trolls will lose, in the end because there will be an accomodation. It's the only way.
anonymous | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 9:41 pm | #
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Not totally sure of all you're trying to say there Anon, but are you suggesting that I, in particular, harbor ill will toward common Muslims? It's just not true..and I don't encourage such..I encourage 'accomodation' as you put it - where such makes sense...I don't support accomodation with child killers, but harsher measures..
That's why (self preservation) we have to complete the victory of Iraq.
That pretty much sums it up, thanks for sharing your entirely racist position, and thanks Bruce for you affirmation. When you understand the depths of depravity that these people will reduce themselves to, all you can do is shake your head and hope they are short lived!
F15C.........
THANK U!!!!!
look up internet trolls....
well, apparently John doesn't consider forced rape and polical murder to be defamitory! heh
I speak out against extreme speech where every I am, it is poison to society and this place is full of it.
anonymous | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 9:55 pm | #
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To some extent you can understand that people are pretty pissed off with the child killers because they murdered dozens of kids today. And you, I didn't hear any condolences for the grieving in Iraq in your posts - why not?
These poor children have been used by the terrorist to drive a wedge between the Coalition forces and the Iraqis. They believe by killing children Iraqis will be to scared to associate with the soldiers.
I pray that this evil has the opposite effect. Then we can all see the child killers pay for what they are doing.
Peter - Australia | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:05 pm | #
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Hear, hear Peter..!
I speak out against extreme speech where every I am, it is poison to society and this place is full of it.
anonymous | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 9:55 pm | #
that's really dumb.. and you.. are ...really dumb!
i'm just waiting for the women's movements in Iraq... they remember everything...
Jihadists beware....
ok, bye for real..
nite
"...obviously their sentence is to live an empty and meaningless life of a coward critic..."
playertwo | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:08 pm | #
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That's funny P2..good post..
F15C - are you suggesting:
Emotional Vampire?
"ok, bye for real..
sparklebutt | *** | 07.14.05 - 12:06 am | #"
Bullshit.
I know a Muslim Pakistani man educated in London in Computer Sciences and in another degree. He is such a nice fellow, with a great sense of humour - what are the chances he could become a homicide/suicide bomber? It seems these men become very religious and secretive prior to becoming a homicide/suicide bomber - perhaps, the signs should be documented just the same as anyone wishing to commit suicide. Why does anyone so young want to leave life behind? Why don't old men become homicide/suicide bombers? Do they think they can't handle 72 virgins or what?
Joanne | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:15 pm | #
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Joanne,
It's all very weird and sad at the same time. But we're unavoidably going to learn more and more about the Middle East and her people as our cultures collide in an effort to reign in this bizarre Death Cult..
soda, seriously man, are you part of America's political infrastructure now, come clean???
you know, "forced rape and polical murder" are intrinsic to Americas agenda, don't you??
F15C, you're a sad little pussy aren't you, what do you really know about sucking souls, shit thats as interesting an alliteration as, "we're Not afraid!! Wait a second, Me Me me, wants to post a smiley face, we're not afraid statement, now wouldn't that suck anyones soul???
RG, god love him, caters to such whims!!
Antoine | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:17 pm | #
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Antoine - maybe if you even 'feigned' concern for the Iraqi parents who lost their kids today - the topic of this post for crying out loud - we MIGHT have some passing interest in your diatribes...til then you're just another a$$..
I blame such tragic incidents on 'the war'(Bush's war) first and leave bloody vengence to GOD.
anonymous | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:19 pm | #
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'tragic incidents'? This was intentional child murder - lay the blame where it is due!
"Bush's War" has liberated millions you a$$ - why don't you deal with facts:
http://www.massgraves.info/
Anyway, you might not wanna go whole hog on your line of thought before you actually start to think....
Scott from Oregon | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:25 pm | #
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That's great advice Scott - seriously..
BA,
Your opinions have zero influence on 'jihadis' but does have create an atmosphere of hate for ordinary Muslims. The opinion of ordinary Muslims does matter to 'jihadis'. So they thrive in your atmosphere of hate. This is why they do horrid things and how your hate helps them.
Of course I offer condolences to the parents of the 24 Iraqi children murdered by the terrorist as I do the US soldier killed and all other people injured. I am a humane person who detests violence.
You say you support concilation on your terms(unconditional surrender, of course)-that is always a non-starter.
Bruce: Like enough of this mass graves site...dude, you need new material...masking your hatred for "Hajis" by feigning compassion for these poor little souls is quite disgusting...
cicio, I love apologists who fail to recognize the atrocity of war!
John | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:26 pm | #
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I love asswipes like Johhny moron who apologize for child killers!
Mohammed,
I am so sorry for the loss of life today. This shows what kind of people these terrorists are. They hone in on the innocent children to slaughter. Do they honestly think that they will be rewarded in heaven for that?? What twisted ideology is that. Insane and evil I say!!
There were no "terrorism" when Saddam was President. Saddam kills roughly a thousand people per month and inspired fear. How many people killed since the invasion ?
The big problem you have is that a big slice of the populace does support actively or passively the insurgency...
Antoine | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:34 pm | #
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This is completely absurd - what do you call 'killing a thousand people a month' for 20 years if not TERRORISM. You a$$.
The other comment is also bogus - maybe a too large percentage of Sunnis do - how long before they tire of the Death Cult though? And the Sunnis are what - 35% of the total - so now you're down to 17% if we posit that 50% of Sunnis passively support fighting the government by killing children...how many of them are disgusted with today's tactics?
Not sure where you are from, but I wonder what kind of statistics get ACURATELY compiled?++++
Unicef. Did this particular stat surprise you ?
Antoine | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:40 pm | #
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That was NOT his point Atoine..re-read..
Brothers,
I am very sorry to hear about this bombing of children, it is the very same as the bombings in London. Innocent people just trying to live their lives, murdered.
The coalition and (more importantly) free Iraqis are fighting for freedom and liberty, and the terrorists (bombers - if your a NYT reader) are blowing up children on purpose to grab a headline in the hopes of keeping the cause of tyranny and terror alive.
It's a stark contrast indeed.. surely only those with blinders on can't see it..
The NY Times had a column today on "werenotafraid.com". It summarized the site by saying it was really the "haves" telling the "have nots" that they weren't afraid. The notion of the "haves", shown sunning themselves on beaches, in nice cars, etc., was a stretch, I thought. Instead, I think these were photos of people enjoying themselves to emphasize their lack of fear. Typical NYT.
Andrea in NY | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:51 pm | #
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Not only that but these were shots from all over the world - including the 3rd world. What a bunch of liberal drivel at the NYT - trying to incite class warfare when they're every bit the pampered prudes...boy the MSM is under siege by the truth...and 'they aint lookin' so good.'
Ahh, somewhere between a BA (bare ass, like a brown eye where I'm from) and anonymous without a number, probably lies some definitive and workable truth. Hate speech around here is rampant, counter-productive (and some could argue conducive to terror) and just plain ugly. Separating a religious devotee from a dogmatic psychopath is not easy in the best of times (right RG?) but it is the task in front of us. What I object to most about the 'righties' 'round here, is the inability to see the world as nonabsolutes....
For or against. Up or down. Left or right. Silly silly....
The miasma of reason and reality dictates a rational and flexible mind. Can you bend your thinking around a barber pole without getting caught up in the predictability of its stripes?
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07.14.05 - 12:21 am
Um yeah but you all are chicken shit
Bruce it ain't you
re: Johnny moron:
Either you're an idiot.. or you're an enemy. That's all I can come up with....
sodapants | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:55 pm | #
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Pret' much sums it up Soda..
re: Johnny moron:
he is slowly going insane like the gollum we all know and love....
His precious is his hate for America.
Scott from Oregon | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:55 pm | #
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Sometimes I downright like you Scottie..
Wrong again Bruce. Starts with an L and don't make me say it!
Um yeah but you all are chicken shit…
Yeah, and you welcomed the return of the famous sparklebutt.
OKAY, I HATE THE BBC!!
The al-qeada mouthpiece known as the BBC reports:
"Hundreds of Iraqis have died in attacks by militants opposed to the US presence and a Shia-led government that took charge in Baghdad earlier this year."
So when a suicide bomber plows into 30 children and slaughters them, they are call "militants opposed to US presence?"
THEY'RE FUCKING TERRORISTS! YOU SICK, DESPICABLE PUTRID! THE BBC IS NOW ON OSAMA'S PAYROLL...BASTARDS!
The people in the United States that push this garbage, including some in what they prefer to call the "mainstream media" undermine the Iraqi people's effort to overcome the sad history inflicted upon you now and during the hideous reign of Hussein.
These Orwellian revisionist liberals have the blood of innocent children on their hands. And more people, Iraqis, Americans and others will die as a result of this inability or unwillingness to call EVIL by it's name.
Mike | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 11:11 pm | #
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Just like when Michael Isikoff's phony crap hit the fan about Guantanemo - after a bunch of people had been killed around the world...the friggin' liberals think they live in their freakin' ivy league ivory towers that where they first suckled their liberal milk from...
WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD LIBERALS...Quit accomodating the child killing Death Cult and support the Free Iraq!
OK,I'll admit it...
scott made a great post.
hobbitses...
Mike-- show one source where today's bombers were described by anyone other than John, perhaps, as "patriotic resistance"....
Scott from Oregon | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 11:15 pm | #
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The press don't have to use those exact words - by continuing to call them the Iraqi insurgency instead of the terrorist child killers cowards that they are, they delegitimize the popularly elected Iraqi government and encourage liberals the world wide to continue to call 'US EVIL' (stupidly) and call for the exit of the 28 nations MNF supporting the nascient formation of the Free Iraq.
The other thing the friggin' MSM is doing is to almost blackout the good news from Iraq - the BASTARDS..
dcat - I seriously think Lee is jealous that you didn't welcome his sorry butt back. LOL Who knew!
Piss off Yankee - I am with you on that one.
Oops, I meant Pissed off Yankee!
Bruce, when you said:
True, and they allow their own children to blow themselves up in a homicidal frenzy - AND THEN TAKE MONEY FOR IT..?
You didn't mean:
as clearly distinguished from good, average Islamic people.. did you?
You denigrate the tragedy of the slaughter of these poor children with your high school cheerleading demeanor.
Salman Rushedme | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 11:30 pm | #
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That's exactly what I meant - those who allow their kids to go blow themselves up and take money for it are clearly distinguished from good, average Islamic people.
Your other "point" is a non sequitur - it doesn't follow, man.
ummm sodapants if lying were a crime even your pal Bush would be in the slammer. Lying under oath is a crime however.
Ash | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 4:09 pm | #
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Ash, you're suggesting President Bush lied?! Talk..
Bruce Anderson | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 10:20 pm | #
Oh, ya, that's right, all of Mr. Bush's incorrect statements were simply a function of 'bad intelligence'.
Ash | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 11:35 pm | #
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Well, let's get to it man - give us specifics...
"dcat - I seriously think Lee is jealous that you didn't welcome his sorry butt back…
Guess again. I'm thinking dcat will come to regret that, and just wanted to make sure it wasn't passed by. I'm sometimes amazed at how wrong you can be how often and it public too, and you never even notice.
"…and in public too, and you never even notice.
B: "Are you saying SH would not have been a future threat of WMD use?"
L: I think you're missing the point. If a "future threat of WMD use" was important then we'd be invading Pakistan (which actually has the Islamabomb in stock) or Iran, which is working real hard on one thanks in part to help from our friends in Pakistan. Or North Korea, which is actually making threats, and almost certainly has nuke or two, although its capacity to make deliveries is perhaps unknown.
B: Well the liberals in the US raised a hissy fit when Bush called those nations to task for these activities by including them in his 'axis of evil' comments...Look fool, are you suggesting that we now immediately war with all these countries based on future WMD, when it was IRAQ that was in violation of 16 UN resolutions in the past decade?
Then you go on to say: "Look, fool there are and were good reasons to start fighting back in Iraq.."
Oh, as distinct from say fighting with Iran or Pakistan then...OK then...but why not answer my question about whether Saddam was a future threat? Or ennumerate your 'good reasons to start fighting' and quit moaning like a baby about the 'Bushies' ad nauseum.
L: The dogmatic truth must prevail over the real facts; facts are our enemy; the truth must prevail.
B: This is bullshit and I've never advocated any such thing. Facts are the thing and they feed the truth or true perceptions. It's funny Lee because you seem to imagine you've got your own corner on "the truth." So I'd say you'd better start hammerin' yourself with that powerful self righteous, critiquing sickle of yours..
L: Saddam was, as you say, a "future threat of WMD use". Best to take him out now before anybody notices he's not such a threat yet and those who are a threat we're blithely ignoring, yes?
B: Are you saying the US is ignoring Iran and North Korea - and Pakistan? Furthermore, where is your critique of the pitiful job Europe is doing addressing ANY of these threats to the free world? Ah, I see, it only floats your boat to bash Bush and Bushies...you're a pathetic sumbitch most times, aren't you Lee? Oh yeah, but you really do support the war effort...Well, glad to have you on board..
Lee C. ― U.S.A. | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 11:35 pm | #
Perhaps the shade of sunglasses I wear keeps me from seeing the same thing ya'll see, but my news outlets have been using the word 'terrorist' quite frequently. The trouble with the news and nomenclature is that nomenclature affects the news. You report using value judgements, you are no longer a reporter, but an active participant of propaganda....
Take any reporter aside and ask him about today's insane bomber of children, and he will undoubtedly mutter "motherfucker" whilst trying to compose something more dignified.
There is enough that is problematic about dousing terror in the world, without over-hyping your own preconceptions about what you wish to see....
KLAWSON | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 11:51 pm | #
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Excellent post with solid suggestions of how to deal with this current crisis re: the kids...thanks..I'm with you - all Iraqi parents should strongly steer their kids away from the patrols at this time..
WOW! Omar, you have got a seriously BUSY blog going on here! I will be surprised if you even get around to reading my comment
These American troops were handing out SWEETS to these children - and this was a target too good to pass up by this coward?
Whenever I hear of something like this, I think of my own little boy. I have to wonder - "What would drive me to kill children?" I simply can't think of one thing.
It is obvious to me that we Americans have little understanding of the passions and hatreds of some of your countrymen and fellow Arabs. Having lived in the Middle East for a few years, I am better versed than most "Yanks," but despite my best efforts, I have never fully tapped into that anger.
Angry at whom? Israel, of course. America, okay - but why exactly? Our relationships with Israel and Saudi Arabia? The war in Iraq? We have millions of thriving Muslims in this country, and the number grows. We have spent a FORTUNE on this war, and only ask for friendship in return...not oil (as some would have us think).
Anyhow, thanks for what you do -- my thoughts and prayers are with you!
"Time and patience are running out though i'm afraid..... Islam needs to get it in gear...and in a hurry before an impression is cemented for good."
Bali... Spain.. London.. All done in the name of Allah... for jihad....
That isn't playing well with the non-jihadists.... which are most..
sodapants | Email | Homepage | 07.13.05 - 11:57 pm | #
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Absolutely - Islam is on trial here - that is a big part of the non-military battle for heart and minds - and how will she respond? Try going over to www.islamicity.com/forum sometime and the news isn't very good there...there's a LOT of blaming America there...America is no perfect country but let's all take CARE OF OUR BUSINESS....Islam needs to take care of its business NOW and America needs to take care of her business...let's get to it.
Special Forces Nabs 286th Key Zarqawi Aide
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=13688...hd=0&size=1&
l=x
"B: Are you saying the US is ignoring Iran and North Korea - and Pakistan?"
No, I'd say instead that the Bush Adminstration has been doin’ shit about the problem. Sees it and don't know what the hell to do ‘bout it.
Bush said that a nuclear North Korea would not be tolerated, but he's toleratin’ it right fine.
Says the Iranians can't have nukes, but nothing doin’ to back that up. Hope the hell the Europeans (whom by the way all good Bushies hate--HATE the EU and especially the French), hope like hell they fix it, ‘cause he got no clue what to do otherwise.
"Well the liberals in the US raised a hissy fit when Bush called those nations to task for these activities by including them in his 'axis of evil' comments…"
Oh shit, the liberals beat him back? We need a new Saint then. Gotta get one that don't fold in front of the "hissy fits" and will attack North Korea for having…
What is it they got that Saddam already had?
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said, “This is great news. Abu Ali could have exported his weapons of mass urticaria anywhere in the world. You might say this secret lab proves that Iraq had wepaons of ass destruction, which is what we meant to say all along.”
The brave "anon" speaks again:
Anon: "Your opinions have zero influence on 'jihadis' but does have create an atmosphere of hate for ordinary Muslims."
B: Come again? When I distinguish between common Muslims and extremist Muslims - I'm creating an atmostphere of hate? Please, get over that absurd idea...
Anon: ...they thrive in your atmosphere of hate. This is why they do horrid things and how your hate helps them.
B: Sorry "anon" (why won't you ID yourself oh, 'brave' one?), I am not 'helping' their hate. Their hate comes from deep within the cockles of a child killer's heart. I simply oppose them and YET you blame me for their hate. Cockide absurdity. This doesn't follow reason - it is a non sequitur.
Anon: Of course I offer condolences to the parents of the 24 Iraqi children murdered by the terrorist as I do the US soldier killed and all other people injured. I am a humane person who detests violence.
You say you support concilation on your terms(unconditional surrender, of course)-that is always a non-starter."
anonymous | Email | Homepage | 07.14.05 - 12:21 am | #
B: I'm glad you could bring yourself to offer condolences once prompted from this hate induced side (absurdity!)
Yes, unconditional surrender for all child killing Death Cultist - yes. You somehow support their position? You're worried about negotiating with them with such terms as 'non-starter?'
How ridiculous to be thinking of negotiating with such proven heinous monsters...or do you not think these child killers are monsters?
Bruce: Like enough of this mass graves site
The Paid Observer | Email | Homepage | 07.14.05 - 12:26 am | #
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Like it's the Valley Observer..
http://www.massgraves.info/
and he'd rather not face the heinous reality of Saddam Hussein any longer...so sorry if it's inconveniencing you PO.
Try going over to www.islamicity.com/forum sometime
oh....believe me... I will..
muuuaaahahahahaha
Ahh, somewhere between a BA (bare ass, like a brown eye where I'm from) and anonymous without a number, probably lies some definitive and workable truth. Hate speech around here is rampant, counter-productive (and some could argue conducive to terror) and just plain ugly. Separating a religious devotee from a dogmatic psychopath is not easy in the best of times (right RG?) but it is the task in front of us. What I object to most about the 'righties' 'round here, is the inability to see the world as nonabsolutes....
Scott from Oregon | Email | Homepage | 07.14.05 - 12:46 am | #
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Scottie, are you trying to marginalize me? Why do I get one side of that equation with all your comments about 'hate speech' and all? Huh? Aww, and after I'd been nice to you today..Oh well..
BTW: Since you're the "voice in the middle" of this fray, how would you suggest we go about 'Separating a religious devotee from a dogmatic psychopath?'
So when a suicide bomber plows into 30 children and slaughters them, they are call "militants opposed to US presence?"...
THE BBC IS NOW ON OSAMA'S PAYROLL...BASTARDS!
Pissed off Yankee | Email | Homepage | 07.14.05 - 1:00 am | #
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Yeah, what kind of sick spin is that?
Lee is an enemy.. and clearly celebrates those who murder Americans, Iraqi's... whatever..
as long as it's 'jihad' of some sort....
Ya see... Lee is what happens when old communists need somewhere to go when a big wall falls down and his people can no longer force slavery on others through violence....
liberals = slavery
it's a fact that democrats were strongly against the civil rights movement
Take any reporter aside and ask him about today's insane bomber of children, and he will undoubtedly mutter "motherfucker" whilst trying to compose something more dignified."
Scott from Oregon | Email | Homepage | 07.14.05 - 1:32 am | #
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Yeah, but when the headline gets morphed into 'militants opposed to the US' something is wrong..whoever is responsible for that headline isn't calling the child murderers 'motherfuckers' he/she's more apt to be calling the US that. What's up with that?
fact:
Robert Bird.. A senator and a Democrat from West Virginia was a former KKK member...
Liberals love him.... wonder why
I guess you could say that by percentages... blacks favor KKK members over slavery abolotionists by 90%!
I know! It makes no sense!!!
"B: Are you saying the US is ignoring Iran and North Korea - and Pakistan?"
L: No, I'd say instead that the Bush Adminstration has been doin’ shit about the problem.
B: Huh? Then why say "No..." - why not say "Yes, we've been ignoring them..."?
L: Sees it and don't know what the hell to do ‘bout it.
Bush said that a nuclear North Korea would not be tolerated, but he's toleratin’ it right fine.
B: Go ahead Lee, what was Clinton doing about it, what would Kerry have done about it, and, most importantly what would the all knowing eye, Lee be doing about it, if you had any power?
L: Says the Iranians can't have nukes, but nothing doin’ to back that up.
B: Yeah, the libs are screamin' like hell worried that Bushies are gunna satiate their 'endless bloodlust for war' (what patent liberal tripe) on Syria or Iran next...give me a break - Bush is going through the international channels like any responsible President would and about which channels libs have SCREAMED and MOANED that they were not followed properly with Iraq - only because they want to oppose Bush obsessively.
L: Hope the hell the Europeans (whom by the way all good Bushies hate--HATE the EU and especially the French), hope like hell they fix it, ‘cause he got no clue what to do otherwise.
B: Uh, hate to break your bubble but I agree with you and I don't hate the French - I think they're leaders are idiots a lot lately, but I don't hate them..
B: "Well the liberals in the US raised a hissy fit when Bush called those nations to task for these activities by including them in his 'axis of evil' comments…"
L: Oh shit, the liberals beat him back? We need a new Saint then. Gotta get one that don't fold in front of the "hissy fits" ...
B: You're as obsessed with smashing on Bushies Lee as you claim I am about Bush - lol - just play hail to the chief in your computer room there and pull up a picture of Bush and pledge your allegience, you big galoot!
Lee C. ― U.S.A. | Email | Homepage | 07.14.05 - 1:44 am | #
Brucie-- not really clear on why I marginalized you, so I can't comment on that.
It doesn't take a genie to go from 'militants opposed to the US' and your own appraisal of who those militants are. The supposed task of reporting is to report, not place value judgements on stories.... I disagree with your opinion about the BBC reporters writing that story. There are very few on the planet who will support the death of kids like that, and I don't see what you see....
You want value judgements, go to the editorials. You'll find every slant under heaven and earth there....
Truth is, I have no idea how to separate a jihadist (look at the London bombers for example) and a Muslim guy or gal just trying to have a life.... Hell, one of those guys' own father had no clue how to do that either, near as I can tell....
The mantra is clear, though, about the Muslim community stepping up....
If they don't, then it ain't ever gonna settle out. Tit for tat for a long time.
Bruce Anderson | Email | Homepage | 07.14.05 - 2:23 am | #
Correction: 'their leaders' vs. 'they're leaders'
Dear readers
I wish to thank all those who sent me condolences for the loss of distent relatives children at Baghdad Al Jadida to the terrorists.
What we should have is a clear moral purpose. That purpose in my view is this.
Either we accept fear or we aim to be free. All of us.
We should not as civilised human beings argue between us as to who is on the right and who is on the left, but we should concentrate on is what is right and what is wrong?
Entante- a french word meaning ( relaxation). When your guards are relaxed, your enemies will take advantage. Because they are unreasonable.
We live in democracies and they live in hatred.
The two shall never meet. If they do then it is like putting a wolf and a lamb in the same cage. Do you remember my story about the farting of sheep. where the wolf does not take notice when he gets it by the neck?
What do we do? We must defend our freedom and our way of life.
Passive submission will only embolden the enemies, and they are enemies. when we have rubbish in our houses we give it to the rubbish collectors and we are not sory we lost it forever. It goes to the rubbish heap.
Can we bring them to the negotaiting table?
After all all disputes have been resolved by wise men sitting round the table and making peace deals.
Can we trust them to make that deal and stick to it?
Well, I may be biased, I would say they have started this type of war, and we should do all our best to finish it.
Those appologists, please carry on and live free, for you are enjoying the fruits where the majority of us, with our expensive sarfices have defended your rights to dissent.
Kind regards
S: "Brucie-- not really clear on why I marginalized you, so I can't comment on that."
B: You set me on the other side of anon in your sentence - as if I was one 'extreme' and he was the other..
S: "It doesn't take a genie to go from 'militants opposed to the US' and your own appraisal of who those militants are. The supposed task of reporting is to report, not place value judgements on stories...."
B: What about terming them 'terrorists' occasionally (no, often they've made an editorial decision to exclude certain terms - in reality they are sanitizing the terrorists and I don't happen to think that is always done without an agenda - i.e. US is wrong or evil somehow lurking in the backgroud - vs. just trying to report the news). As we know, at the least we're talking about terrorists & militants (or Saddamist thugs or whathaveyou) - some percentage of each of these..the reporting should be consistent with that, imho.
The gangs continue to make attacks on police stations and army bases. These cause casualties, but with a security force of over 200,000 personnel, the attacks, while they make spectacular headlines, are not frequent enough to have much overall impact. The security personnel can do the math, and know their chances of getting hurt are low. For the gangsters and terrorists, the risk of death or injury is several times higher, but not suicidal (unless you are a suicide bomber, nearly all of whom are foreigners). The biggest danger to the terrorists and gangsters is the presence of police in their neighborhoods, or, literally, on the street where they live. Week by week, this is happening in more neighborhoods where gangsters and terrorists live. It's a slow motion battle that does not make headlines, but does determine when, and how, the "Battle for Iraq" is fought and won.
July 10, 2005: For the forth time in a month, a mixed battalion of American and Iraqi troops conducted raids on terrorist hideouts in western Iraq. These raids, and the ongoing (since May) operations in Baghdad, have cut the number of suicide bomb attacks in Baghdad in half. Over a thousand terrorist suspects have been arrested, and several hundred killed or wounded when they resisted with force. Increased cooperation from Sunni Arabs in western Iraq, and in Baghdad, is resulting in more suicide bombers getting caught, and bomb workshops, and cars rigged with explosives, getting seized. The American plan is to continue with these operations, using more and more Iraqi troops and police, until the terrorists are worn down to practically nothing. The number of police and troops increases each week. By the end of the Summer, the government expects to see a downward trend in terrorist violence.
Thanks Hameed - so many excellent thoughts in that post. Perhaps my favorite two are:
1)We live in democracies and they live in hatred.
The two shall never meet.
2) Well, I may be biased, I would say they have started this type of war, and we should do all our best to finish it.
Those appologists, please carry on and live free, for you are enjoying the fruits where the majority of us, with our expensive sarfices have defended your rights to dissent.
You think things were better off under Saddam?
Before the war, I like everyone else, we had to bribe someone to get any problem solved when it comes to the government-related problems. I mean you could *never* get anything working without that. Now it's much better although it's still bad compared to other democratic countries. I never had to bribe anyone in any checkpoint since the war, and that was also a problem before the war. Most of those checkpoints (before the war) were places where security guards, policemen or military intelligence use to rob people for very silly reasons. They didn't have a problem with finding an excuse and people had to pay or face a horrible fate.
Kathleen A asked:
When the history of this time is written - do you think historians will acknowledge that a horrible dictator was removed, freeing the Iraqi people? Or do you think this important point will always be lost on those hell-bent on ignoring the GOOD and only highlighting the bad?
Ali: I think no one would be able to deny or ignore that a horrible dictator was removed and I trust that history will judge those who opposedd Iraq freedom very harshly just as it will honor all those who worked to free Iraq.
I am very much a supporter of OIF but I am deeply saddened at all of the carnage in Iraq, and especially when children are the needless victims of such heinous acts of pure, undadulterated evil.
As for John and his lunatic rantings, I think that shunning as suggested by FISC is truly the best tactic:
"I suggest John be shunned from this point forward. He exists by sucking souls out with his comments as indicated by the replies to his vile filth. Ignore him he will rot away."
I haven't read all the comments, but in regards to the news media bias discussed above, the root of the problem is not as much in what the headlines read or in what terminology reporters choose (although that can be antagonistic). No, the real bias in main stream media in regards to Iraq is not in what is reported, it is what is omitted. I've been watching my local news most nights and have noticed that the Iraq segment is longer when there is more violence and shorter or non-existant when there is no major violence to report. They report almost exclusively bad news with almost no counter-information. When there is no major bad news, they don't consider anything else going on in Iraq to be newsworthy. Also, within news stories, important bits of positive news related to those stories are often left out. As an example, today's homicide attack against children came during a ceremony to celebrate the opening of a water treatment facility (I learned of that from editorial talk radio, not news reporting).
I don't buy the argument that this is just the facts of life in news media. The near complete failure to present a full picture of events in Iraq stems from a liberal bias among editorial staff in most major news outlets. I recently read a study that only 7% of Americans in the journalism field consider themselves to be conservative while something like 31% consider themselves to be liberal (most say they are moderate). Compared to American society at large, this is severely skewed and it shows in the media, not only in the word choices and headlines, but more blatently in what they choose not to report rather than what they do report on. Already, CBS and Newsweek, two major news outlets and formerly highly respected organizations, have been caught being overzealous to report "information" that would be damaging to the Bush Administration. Both fell flat on their asses because of their arrogance, sloppiness, and under-estimation of the intelligence of the American people.
The arrogance of the liberal news media is astounding as they seem to either ignor or disregard the obviously huge demand for more balanced reporting.
To Running Waters commentary above, I would add that I have been reading newspapers wherever I happen to be, and I can generally confirm the same kind of bias, particularly in two major outlets for news on Iraq, the Washington Post and the New York Times.
The Washington Post does check its facts, but there is considerable editorial content in the articles, often of a quality that I consider uninformed.
The New York Times prints venomous fantasy.
The regional newspapers print far less editorial comment in the news articles, but they pick up their editorial commentary from the same sources as the Post and the Times.
The effect of these newspapers, particularly the NYT, has been apparent in the responses by people I know. We have different positions on the war in Iraq because we are operating from different sets of facts.
As an example, see the references and links to the Molly Ivins article and retraction from yesterday. She didn't know what Saddam Hussein had been up to for the last few decades. She didn't know about the mass killings. Why? She lives in Texas, has a reasonably facile political mind, and access to the same news media as the rest of this country, and she is newspaper oriented. This begs the question, what else doesn't she know, and how would her opinion change if she had a better idea of what is going on?
I have encountered this phenomenon over and over in conversations with people that I agree with, and those I don't. I think the last US election was hugely influenced by the individual voters' source of news.
Our news organizations are playing into Al Qaeda's hands. I agree with the analysis in this article Al Queda's information War, and I think that winning the war against the terrorists will require a significant upgrade in our news reporting mechanisms.
Those appologists, please carry on and live free, for you are enjoying the fruits where the majority of us, with our expensive sarfices have defended your rights to dissent.
Kind regards
Hameed Abid | Email | Homepage | 07.14.05 - 3:02 am |
Hameed
Great Post!
I wrote a long rant, but it didn't post. Summary- we don't use human shields, and would never purposefully endanger kids in any situation. To say I would is to invite an ass whuppin. Boots on the ground is a turd. ANyone want to know why?
Speak on USMC I am listening!
Our news organizations are playing into Al Qaeda's hands. I agree with the analysis in this article Al Queda's information War, and I think that winning the war against the terrorists will require a significant upgrade in our news reporting mechanisms.
Valerie
I totally agree Valerie.
Here's a slightly OT note: The sci-fi author, David Weber, of Honor Harrington fame, wrote a book in 1991 that posits a long term Islamic terrorist campaign run by Black Mecca, lasting at least into the late 2030s. Baen Books makes it available as a free download in its online library, if anyone's interested. Here's a "money" quote:
"The last major attack by the Black Mecca splinter faction of the old Islamic Jihad had been over a year ago, but it had killed over three hundred people and inflicted a quarter-billion dollars' worth of damage on ConEurope's Werner von Braun Space Control.
The First World had grown unhappily accustomed to terrorism, both domestic and foreign. Most of the world-including the vast majority of Islam-might condemn them, but Dark Age mentalities could do terrible amounts of damage with modern technology. As Black Mecca had proven when it used a man-portable SAM to knock down a fully-loaded ConEuropean Valkyrie just short of the runway . . ."
Are we growning "accustomed" yet?
**growing** ;p
Guys,
I'm going to wait and see what the courts decide on this leaked CIA agent. I will not have the media deciding people guilt and or innocents. The reason this is backfiring is because the media and the left looks like a bunch of slobbering starved dogs.
I demand that Judith Miller reveal her source so we can put this to rest. She should do it for the good of the country. If it is Rove and he is found guilty of a crime then he deserves to burn regardless of the damage done to the Bush administration. However...if it is someone else who clearly broke the law and is now involved ni a smear campaign then they should all go to jail.
The longer this stay on the front burner in the media the bigger the blowback if Rove is proved innocent and if someone else revealed the source.
If you want more evidence of bias media check out SBS TV in Australia. Unfortunately this is what some of its viewers want. Check out some comments from viewers following London bombing.
http://www.sbs.com.au/hotline/in...dex.html?
id=520
One of the more stupid: "I don’t understand why you felt it necessary to provide ongoing coverage of the events in London. There are many more tragedies around the world that are more abhorrent, like that being pursued in Iran or Afghanistan by western ‘democracies’, which receive token reporting."
Terrible what western democracies are doing in Iran. Things like torture, murder and repression, oh sorry that is the Iranian government.
Anguisel, 2 things: First, I no longer read or view the MSM. Why should anybody ? All the real news is available elsewhere.
Second, no crime was committed in the Valorie Playme affair, except for Judith Miller's refusial to testify.
USMC;
If you have a problem like that again, and you haven't actually closed the comments box, right-click and click Back; it should restore your typing. Either re-post or select and copy the text so you can paste it into a new post.
1st PJ's I agree, whoever leaked needs to be held accountable. If the reporters insist on hiding behind the first amendment, then they should be held accountable-understanding that free speech does not include speech designed to incite violence, like giving out a covert operatives identity. Ok, my opinion on "boots on the ground". He states that he feels threatened physically and legaly by his command. Bull. I am a commander, you can't charge someone with having a dissenting opinion, only with lying, cheating, stealing, fraud, violation of oath, and causing rebelliousness within the unit. There are punitive articles that deal with those general things. You can't say "the president is an idiot" because he is the CO you took an oath to obey, you're subordinates are required by law and oath to obey you, so that would be insubordination- a violation of your oath. You CAN say, I don't agree with the president (I however do agree), I don't think this war is righteous ect. You are entitled to your own opinion, so for him to say that stuff automatically identifies him as an individual who is less than honest. In addition I knew a few people like him in my two tours of Iraq, the Marines used to ask me to talk to them. The "I joined to go to college, not for this shit" types. That's great. My take on it is I joined to struggle against the two-legged napoleons who have the audacity to walk on man's two. Then the Marine Corps made me go to college. Everybody has their trials, I think they should get a straw and suck it the hell up. Seriously we are fighting against a fanatical enemy who murders non-combatants and captives without regard to race, religion or border. We have eliminated a ruthless dictator who posed a threat to my people and his own (see unlike many I remember Spichter, and the others that were shot up, shot down, or shot at between 1990-2001), siezed his country, helped the people establish an individualistic democratic country, AND GIVEN THE COUNTRY BACK TO THEM. If you are unable to get behind this conflict as a serviceman it doesn't matter, you took an oath to follow your elected officials (I didn't really want to leave Somalia either). But if there ever was a conflict fought for reasons that history will see as "noble" this is it. I think that guy is a turd. He should put in for a good of service discharge so he can go do great things in life. Like nothing.
well said USMC
This has got to be the sickest thing I have ever heard of anyone ever doing in my life. What kind of lunitic would commit such an act of evil?
Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom, through the awful grace of God.
These are not the acts on "freedom fighters" nor "insurgents", nor even "bombers" or terrorists™. These are acts of the criminaly insane™.
more on 'wearenotafraid'
http://www.courant.com/news/nati...dlines-
breaking
in your face commie
The end approaches quickly for the Bushitler regime and the government of its lapdog, the odious Tony Blair.
The crude attempt by the British government to seize even more power by terrorizing its own citizens and to provoke the lower classes to blame the inofensive and innocent Muslims for the intolerable conditiond in England has collapsed in disarray.
The evil Karl Rove, the eminence grise of the Bushitler regime who is commonly referred to as "Bush's Brain" stands exposed as a traitor.
The criminal activities of the Amerikkan Crusader forces in Iraq have resulted in the death or maiming of dozens of innocent Iraqi children in one blow. The entire world recoils in horror at the ruthless actions of the Amerikkan occupiers of Iraq.
Governments that represent more than half of the world's population have demanded the immediate withdrawal of American troops from Central Asia.
Soon Bushitler, along with his henchmen and Zionist masters will stand in the dock at the International Criminal Court to answer for their crimes against humanity.
Impeach Bushitler!
Bring the Troops Home Now!
Power to the People!
Thanks Brian, how do I link to a video on another site?
Anybody know how to get Bush Lied's IP address? I'm wooking fow da tewwowists. I mebbe know were one is
If Bush Lied is a terrorist, they have started recruiting pre-schoolers. BL's IP will probably lead to fuzzy bunny pre-school's domain.
For my second alloted Post(hint hint)
Let me just say that the BBC sucks on terrorist™ asses and enjoyes it.
tobe perfectly honest, i had to work very hard to overcome the " I joined to go to college" trap. most of it came from the $40,000 dangled in front of my head and the idea that they wanted intelligent people that were there instead of working a t Ford.
If they wanted intelligent people that werent going to put up with mickey mouse jock bullhsit , why did they advertise like that?!!
because the people that come up with the Army ads are dipshits that's why.
Only after the war has been going on for years do they FINALLY do ads where the former soldiers exhibit and understand skills and values YOU CAN'T GET IN COLLEGE!!!
The campaign now about "i learned it at my last job" is frickin genius because it appeals to the right people and will lead to the right people joining.
I was jsut 17 1/2 when I went in so I really don't give a crap about what people think, but these 22 yr olds and some are even olderthan that have absolutely no excuse.
the pc crowd has immasculated the potential soldier so extensively that being direct and using candor could only happen after many deaths and that's a crime. that's why I think that all the shortfall hype in recruiting that the quagmire john quagmire types keep harping on is all bs.
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hat kind of person joins DURING a war ?!!!
A fucking hero, that's what kind.
In Gen. Schwarzkopf's book he talks about a professional Army (and beloved Corps, mud marine!) where they don't have their eyes on the clock. It saves lives and gets the job DONE,because they will actually learn their shit.
Micheal Moore contextualizing the argument. Its all bullshit.
We're winning and we kick ass.
I say they should cashier every " college wannabe" on the spot and save the rest of their squads the hassles.
And don't even fly them home, put
em on a bus or boat them to Paris and leave 'em.
lotsa hard feelings about that subject...
Triple Suicide Attack Thwarted by Iraqi Police
The attack "failed in every way because of discipline and courage under fire of the Iraqi security forces," Alston said
That should be worth a "hooah" and an "oohrah"!
playertwo, that is all fine and dandy, but how do you propose the fill all those boots that require to be filled? Just fight with a smaller army until it is so small ya gotta go home?
I give both a hooah (because Rangers lead the way) and OOrah (which coincidentally means to kill) And P2 I'd hug ya if I could, don't get all bent though, they're everywhere, and if it wasn't for them we wouldn't be able to see the difference between the heroes and the zeros. I love that marketplace of ideas concept ya know. I came in at 19. Fully knew what I was getting into as well, which was a Gulf war a coup attempt in the PI. Had no interest in going to college, but I paid into the GI bill anyhow. Which was handy when the Corps ordered me to go to UCLA. Yeah we all suffer through the hard times I know. Damn dirty military tricking me into service with promises of pain and suffering and then sending me to Hollywood. How do I contact my congressman.....
Those who engage in fishing, either commercial or recreational, will be familiar with the practice of chumming. This consists of dumping blood, fish guts, etc., into the water in order to attract the prey into the "kill zone".
In Iraq, it seems that the predators, the American soldiers, use candy and toys for the same purpose.
Place the blame where it belongs. The American occupiers, not the Resistance, lured those Iraqi children to their deaths.
Does anybody smell a rat in the press reports about the London bombing? It sounds like we are to believe that four perfectly normal, well-behaved, gentle young Brits knowingly and willingly blew themselves and everybody around them up.
Is somebody jumping to conclusions? Is some (so-far) successful misdirection involved here? Is anybody else uncomfortable with this scenario?
We are getting stories from Iraq that idealistic young men have been reporting for jihad as soldiers, only to be vastly surprised to find that what their handlers had in mind was suicide-murders. Bombers have been drugged, taped or chained to the wheels of cars, coerced by threats against their families and lied to about the purpose of their mission. Why must we assume that these neatly dead young men intended suicide, or intended to blow up anybody in the first place?
Whose interest does it serve for us to believe that ordinary, peaceable, charitable muslim young men can be transformed without warning into nightmare murderers?
Don't know yet Valerie. Will inform. And to answer Ash, yes. Then when the wolf is at the door you can decide whether to negotiate or engage them with hair pulling and face scratches And anonymous, I won't answer your question but flypaper hmmmmmmmm what a clever idea. But not to kill kids. Them I kinda like.
Sodapants,
Are you the same guy that used to post on the CloseCombat forum many years ago? Just curious.
More importantly, my sympathies to the brave US soldier and many innocent Iraqi children that lost their lives due to this sickening, heinous crime.
I wrote a long rant, but it didn't post. Summary- we don't use human shields, and would never purposefully endanger kids in any situation. To say I would is to invite an ass whuppin. Boots on the ground is a turd. ANyone want to know why?
USMC
I hope that you are not judging Boots on the ground by an out of context quote. I have no doubt that our men attract Iraqi children and have from day one. I also know that some great information has been provided by Iraqi children. I also know that none of our men use children as shields but that some have died protecting children. I do know that an Iraqi child placed herself so as to shield Marines from a land mine. I know that our guys do give out candy, toys, and other things to Iraqi children but not to attract them as shields. Many of you have children of your own and love kids. I don't need to be in Iraq to know that the interaction between GIs and children exists. I have seen it elsewhere. In one way or another, children have been adopted by soldiers. Maybe not a legal, formal adoption but one of caring at least. I know men who supported children from South Korea and South Vietnam and sent them through college.
It is a shame that cowards would take advantage of the attraction between soldiers and children to kill children but I can't see our men chasing away children even though it might be best for the children in the short term. When a car bomb was placed near a school, there were no soldiers involved until after the fact. Soldiers were not the target then. The sick bastards were after children. Neither children nor adults should gather in crowds but for them not to gather would be a win for the evil ones.
USMC, what is your opinion of the draft? Although I was a volunteer, I served with many men who had been drafted. Some of those draftees were top notch and served 30 years. Without the draft, they would never have served. Many who volunteered for other branches did so to avoid being drafted into the Army. I volunteered for the Army so that I would have a choice in what I did. Back then we could field a million men. Not all would have measured up to the present volunteers but many would. Even with all volunteers you still get some undesirables. Then and now, I believe that every male and female should serve in some manner. Not necessarily in the Armed Forces but serve their country somehow.
Valerie-- yeah, it is easy to imagine some creepy thing crawling into Iraq and blowing his sorry ass up, and difficult to fathom how four seemingly Westernized youth mutate into bomb sachels....
We had that guy out of Marin, Ca. who was fightin' with the Taliban, and I KNOW his candy ass grew up dipped in apples....
As far as 'interests' are concerned, I'll let you scenario-zise all you want. Perhaps you can figure out why they met, huddled up, 'brokr', then all got on separate trains and a bus. You think someone told them to go play mass transit hide and seek?
sorry for your loss. keep the faith.
Richard: I see that the draft was necessary, but it is also the use of force to obtain labor. Now if it was mandatory for every individual to serve two years of civil or military service at the age of 16-20 to be a citizen of the US I would agree with that. That is a voulantary exchange. To tell someone you will use force (prison) if he or she does not provide you a service at less thatn what it costs to provide is slavery. I believe as you do that everyone should serve their country for a period of time in whatever capacity they can. It is not rational to believe that if we as a Nation have cost free liberty it will become worthless and therefore traded for something else (like security). So you could say I am philisophically opposed to the draft, yet in favor of exchange of service for citizenship (right to run for office, own land, form corporations). I also would be in favor of mandatory military service for all of those office holders who effect military decisions -CInC, Senate, Congress
And I'm pretty sure it was boots on the ground (Reserve MP in the green zone) but I could have it mixed up with a different site. Not a quote out of context issue, just the whole whiny, self interested Bush bashing blog.
Didn't like it Felt it was less than genuine
I also would be in favor of mandatory military service for all of those office holders who effect military decisions -CInC, Senate, Congress
USMC
Amen to that. An honorable discharge should be the first criteria. I was given a security clearance and from all that I know, I could not have received that clearance if my background had shown support for an enemy. Maybe the second criteria should be passing a background investigation.
The work I do as a silly villain requires a background check and drug screening. If the background check revealed that I had smoked a joint but not inhaled, or any other unlawful act, I couldn't work at that job. If my job is so important that it requires these, is the President's or Congressman's job less important?
Gotta run. Stay sound.
OK, all you Bush supporters. Richard and USMC have clearly stated that they want the United States to be a fascist police state.
Any reaction?
I am a Bush detractor, anon, and I say you are gettin' a little carried away....
....like a woodchip in a gutter in the rain.....
Stay anonymous - no reaction
Anguisel, 2 things: First, I no longer read or view the MSM. Why should anybody ? All the real news is available elsewhere.
Second, no crime was committed in the Valorie Playme affair, except for Judith Miller's refusial to testify.
wxjames
Well we dont know for sure yet as the grand jury has not completed its investigation. Why is Miller stonewalling? Why wouldnt she just say who it is. We all know she hates Rove so what is stopping her if it is him?
From what I understand Plame stopped being an undercover agent when she got married. If that is true then there is no crime. Maybe this is why Democrats are now shooting for this revoking of Rove's security status hoping to at least get that in before the truth comes out? I dont know.
Actually who cares? her life was never put in danger and we just had terrorists bomb England. Well, at least we know the priorities of the democrats and the MSM.
like a barrel over Niagra falls ...
Just my opinion, but I think the soldiers in this war, while not leading a rush to enlist in wartime, will be the best PR the military needs later on. They are constantly praised for their professionalism by anyone in the know (ex., military leaders and pols who actually have something to do with them) and when they speak to the public, the message is almost always positive, borderline heroic.
Peter - Australia 9:06 am
Your link and the comments about people stating
"I don’t understand why you felt it necessary to provide ongoing coverage of the events in London. There are many more tragedies around the world that are more abhorrent,..."
made me think of this -
St. Matthew 24:12 -
"And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."
How true is that!
"dcat - I seriously think Lee is jealous that you didn't welcome his sorry butt back…" by me
Guess again. I'm thinking dcat will come to regret that, and just wanted to make sure it wasn't passed by. I'm sometimes amazed at how wrong you can be how often and it public too, and you never even notice. Lee C. ― U.S.A.
Lee C. - perhaps a sense of humour is in order; you do know what a sense of humour is, don't you....?
Today we know 3 things:
1.The radical Muslims will kill anyone anywhere to cause terror.
2.We concerned and informed free men will stand against the radicals and attempt to separate them from those who willfully or not hide them from us. Then do justice.
3.Many stand on the sidelines and oppose the second group in support of the first group. Among these are the MSM, the democrat party, a large portion of Iraqi sunnis, and all of the anti-war detractors here and on other blogs and media.
Conclusions: The first and third groups are mentally ill for various reasons. The second group must stay focused and accept the facts about the other two groups. Some we will win back, some we will kill, and some will just stay hidden. Stay the course. Stay the course. Stay the course.
F15C - 11:44 pm post - you have nailed it on the head, or should I say on the dumbass!
wxjames - very good!
Why is it people always have to backtrack and bring up what they have actually said when dealing with Lee C. - because Lee C. makes a non sequitur about his falsified interpretation of people's comments just to pick a fight - classic trollism.
"Lee C. - perhaps a sense of humour is in order; you do know what a sense of humour is, don't you....?"
So, you were just making fun of dcat? I don't know that'd be wise; I don't know she's got much of a sense of humor. (She seems to be happy to see the return of sparklebutt but I don't think that's an indication of a sense of humor.)
New post and pictures at bootsinbaghdad.blogspot Please show your support when you have the chance.
YANKS FOR NOTHING.
One thing you learn when disaster strikes is how right you were about the dodgy specimens in your midst. You knew shameless self-pitier who forever whinges about life's irrelevancies ("my boss just doesn't appreciate me - wah!") would still be whinging when corpses were being hauled from an underground system they use every day.
That Scientologists would flood the death scene offering survivors "spiritual healing" (otherwise know as unlimited access to your wallet). That a spineless French politician, such as Paris mayor Bertrand Delanoe would trample on the feelings of a grief stricken city, trying to save his career by calling London's Olympic bid corrupt. That the BNP (British National Party) would use the blown-apart bus on pamphlets that spewed hate against immigrants.
And that America would view the atrocity solely in the context of how it affects its own intrests. How typical was it that all of its 12,000 servicmen stationed in Britain should be banned from travelling within the M25 (main ring-road around London), for five days, as Londoners tried to show the terrorists and the wider world that life goes on as normal?
Once again we saw, as we have in the numerous deaths through "friendly fire", when the heat is on, the US military operates like a selfish shower of headless chickens. It was the same back home, where the Gibbon-in-Chief used the bombings to convince a sceptical electorate that soldiers may be dying in Iraq, but hey, they're doing so to stop your local subway being blown up.
The American press, largely a gutless shower of sycophants, have demonised the UK for its tolerance of Muslims. Commentators labelled "Londonstan" the single biggest threat to American security, and demanded all Britons get a visa before entering their airspace. Thanks buddies. It's good to know you're right behind the people who foolishly stuck their heads above the parapet with you in Iraq. Good to know you can't wait for our dead to be buried before you frighten off your already-paranoid citizens from coming to Londonstan.
But rather than asking if its still safe to move within the M25, why aren't Americans asking how the figurehead who inspires these atrocities is still at large? Why, 46 months after Osama bin Laden attacked New York, has America not captured its Public Enemy Number One, even though he is known to be sitting in caves in countries they're friendly with. You're the most technologically-advanced nation in history, capable as you showed last week of singling out a comet, 83 million miles away, hurtling at 23,000mph through space, and landing a bomb on it. So why is bin Laden free to organise or inspire attacks on the free world?
Might it have something to do with the fact that were he captured, your mythical War on Terror would begin to be over, as would the trillion dollar budgets handed to the men who really run your country and our world. The US military. The ones too frightened to step inside the M25 for nearly a week.
But heck, guys, maybe I'm just a cynical Brit. Maybe if the comet had a beard it would still be out there.
Yeehaa! Bushies just got attacked from the right; somebody actually is to the right it seems and not just a Bible-thumper, "get the socialists/commies/liberals/etc."
This could get interesting.
Hooah !
Welcome cynical Brit. The only reason I'd avoid a visit to London is to avoid you when you're mad.
Galloway supporter eh?
I'll let others address your fantasies about the WoT ending with Bin Ladens death and our country being run by the military.
Sorry you feel the way you do!
Cheers..
Hugs and kisses Sally, if I get a chance to come back there again (I'd like to do a tour there with the commando) I'll shout you a sixer at the Church. (the one with the sawdust floor) And you know the military doesn't run the country, if we did shit would be on time and beer and lovin would be free. Look it up, it's Tommy this and Tommy that 'till the chips are down. And even if you are angry at me I will help your countrymen when asked, as they have done for me.
Plus you brought a smile to my face as well as Lee C and James, and that is another fine example of humor crossing barriers (I especially liked the bearded comet) But I have a question: If we find out that Osama is in Iran with his eldest son will you complain if we stomp the crap out of Irans IRGC? They say the Mad Mullahs have WMD ya know. We have shot a few IRGC agents (with ID's on them) in Iraq ya know. We may not catch him either- you can destroy a whole house and not kill the cockroaches, they just go to the nieghbors house. The question is how dirty are you willing to get to get ahold of one prick. I think my friends who csll their CO boss will have a lot more leeway than me, but I will do all I can. And I am truly sorry that attack occured, but I can literally do no more.
Sally, so I take it, the friendly country you speak of, Pakistan, should hand over Osama - and what if they don't? How would you feel about the US and Britain taking Pakistan on in order to obtain Osama?
Do you actually think, after the bombings in London, the US has manufactured a mythical War on Terror just to hand trillion dollar budgets to the men who really run the US and the world - the US military? What about the bombings in Spain, Iraq, Afghanistan, London, etc., etc., - all a means to an end? I think you need a reality check; cynical wouldn't exactly be the word I'd use for your delusional rant.
I'm going to keep trying though. Jemaah Islahmiyah in 1969 formed for the purpose of forming an asian wide Islamic Caliphate. They blew up some Aussies, a couple of years ago, I'm sure you heard. Muslims are not bad people. Bad people are bad people. People who murder other people for purposes other than to defend themselves and their righteously aquired property are bad people. People who do nothing about it are just people.
And who is this anonymoose who claims I am looking for a fascist state? I think the term you are looking for is "meritocratic democratic republic". I would call you a retard but I fear the Al Queda would then recruit you to deliver bombs to polling stations in Iraq. (read the news)
I am not a spelling phenomena.
"How would you feel about the US and Britain taking Pakistan on in order to obtain Osama?"
So Osama bin Laden gets a walk after taking down the towers because it's politically convenient?
Sally (AKA)Cynical Brit! It is most unfortunate that you think so poorly of us that are across the pond! You can be restasured that many if not most of us are in compleat sympathy with you during this time of trial. Some of us may lack that "Old world sophistication" that so many of our European friends tend to place so much emphasis on, but we do have what could be called the New world sophistication, where we no longer look to Europe or the "old World" for guidence, and aproval is all that we do!
I would advise you to take a few studies at university about international relations, as you haven't the slightest notion what conciderations must be made concerning the area that Osama is in! There you not only deal with national soverenty, but with tribal customs as well. One can not just walse in and extract him where he has refuge under laws of hospitality!
Mythical War on Terror?????? You say this after having the tube bombed in at least three places, and a buss destroied? Child wake up and smell the tea! This is not (terrorism) going away simply because children such as you fail to see or acknowledge its' exastance! These people are not just targeting England, but all of free Europe!
Anon is a top student at Fuzzy Bear pre-school. I think they have nap time with their blankies right now. I am sure anon will check in after the class puts up their blankies an binkies and has some milk and cookies.
I goofed, and left the msn homepage on instead of putting the one you-all are used to!Eather one has good content but hay we're not here to toot our collective horns!
"How would you feel about the US and Britain taking Pakistan on in order to obtain Osama?"
Pakistan has a population of 162 Million. Defeating the Pakistani Army is doable, with the risk of a nuclear exchange. The bare minimum size of the occupying force would need to be 960,000 troops. Twice the size of the entire US Army. The only countries with sufficient ground forces are India, China and North Korea.
Maybe we could get Kim "do yoo peepow not unnestan how fukin kwazy I am" Il Yung to whup 'em for us He hates anything with an American name like "stan".
we happy to do bang bang
"The bare minimum size of the occupying force would be…"
This presupposes the need for an "occupying force". Whup ‘em and walk on is another choice.
Danes Support Iraq Mission despite terror Threat
I wondered why do all the arabic men have multiple names? For example: Khamis Farhan Khalaf Abd al-Fahdawi, known as Abu Seba. Isn't it enough to have a first and last name? Whats with all these names? Who picks the second name or nickname? Do you get to pick it yourself or is it random or raffled or by a committee of friends? I myself would like my second name to be: Book Devil of Utah. Why not?
-Ethan.
Al Queda Leaders captured
900 Iraqi Recruits Graduate
Sally,
I have a friend and colleague I've worked with for many years who has an office in London. I sent her an email on July 7, a supportive fax to her firm on the 8th, and a regular business item on the 11th.
I haven't heard back from anybody. This is unusual.
You may think you are alone, but really, we are a lot closer to you and yours than you think.
Ref: home grown bombers.
A tremendous burden of responsibility now rests on the Muslim community in Britain. Its leaders, educated and articulate, have repeatedly spoken out and condemned extremism. But it is at local level that action needs to be taken. Tolerance of extremism is utterly unacceptable.
It is not some harmless view of hot-headed youth; it is an insidious cult that feeds on fanaticism, intolerance and the mindlessly macho posing of would-be-rebels hoping to win glory. It leads directly to tragedy, as the bombs in London, Madrid, Bali, Istanbul and elsewhere have shown.
Too often such views have not only been tolerated but actually disseminated in mosques by ill-educated imans, brought over from villages in Pakistan, unable to speak English and ill-equiped to guide young Muslims in a Western society. Adrift in their job, they have resorted to preaching the crudest form of jihad.