Gravatar Is "euphemism" the right word. Euphemism implies a substitution of an inoffensive word for an offensive word, doesn't it?


Gravatar That's one usage of the word. The other is simply a 'substitution.'


Gravatar The first link needs to be fixed...(but thanks for the kind words :-)

If you have any questions you would like posed to them, please feel free to ask!


Gravatar I thought I read somewhere a while ago that the last Kohen had died out and they had to adjust, for instance, the Pascal sacrifice.
This chap appears to be a Kohen.


Gravatar mb: They have not run out of cohanim...(yet?)

The cohen I spoke to (Yefet) is the son of the previous cohen gadol, and I detected his hopes to eventually be a cohen gadol as well...

S: When Lurker and I reviewed the video of the Shma (in the evening of Chol HaMoed after coming home), I immediately asked about the ""Shema Yisrael Shema Elo[h]einu . . ." Lurker thought about it and gave the same answer you did.

Do you think a good word for "kinnui" would be "alias"?


Gravatar Jameel

Ask them why they have mezuzot, but don't put on tfillin ;)


Gravatar >Do you think a good word for "kinnui" would be "alias"?

Yes. I also think a good word would be ''euphemism.''

:)


Gravatar BTW, in case anyone is wondering why I wrote "Elo[h]einu," it's because in Samaritan Hebrew all the guttural letters are reduced to nothing, the way we Jews have reduced aleph to nothing, and ayin as well if we're not Mizrahi. So in Samaritan Hebrew, the heh is written but not really pronounced. Israelis too, normally don't pronounce the heh, so it seems to be an evolved feature of MIH (Modern Israeli Hebrew).


Gravatar BTW: Just as reminder of giving credit to hasten the geula; My good friend Lurker authored the "Decrypting Samaritan" post (he guest posts on my blog, and I was his tour guide to Har Greizim).

HH: They Lost the Mesora for Tefillin! I told you that already...


Gravatar I was wondering who Lurker was (I hadn't noticed that it wasn't your post - then when you pointed it out, I thought maybe it was your wife!).


Gravatar >HH: They Lost the Mesora for Tefillin! I told you that already...

I know, but putting it down to writting forces you to get more details on that and report back :)


Gravatar mb: I thought I read somewhere a while ago that the last Kohen had died out and they had to adjust, for instance, the Pascal sacrifice.
This chap appears to be a Kohen.


For most of their history, the Samaritan Kohen Gadol was a direct patrilineal descendant of Pinhas ben Itamar ben Aharon HaKohen (by their own genealogical tradition). According to their tradition, the high priesthood was supposed to remain in that line. However, this family died out in the 17th century, so they switched over to a different family -- but still a family of kohanim descended from Aharon.

I am not aware that this affected their manner of perfoming the korban Pesah in any way.

Btw, their kohanim possess sifrei yuhsin (geneological records) of their ancestry all the way back to Aharon. Yefet HaKohen, the curator of the Samaritan museum who hosted us, presented us with a chart showing each and every numbered generation, from Aharon down to their current Kohen Gadol (who is Yefet's uncle, if I recall correctly). There were someting like 167 generations, and each generation had the name listed. Furthermore, Yefet can tell you about the life and times of nearly all of them. This blew me away more than anything else. I am a kohen myself, but I have no idea who my ancestors were further back than 4 generations or so.


Gravatar Not to cast aspersions, but I can't help wondering exactly how old or authentic those sifrei yuhasin may be. I believe that the English monarchs claim ancestry back to David ha-Melekh, but I'm not at all sure that their "records" would stand up to critical scrutiny.

My own kohanic yihus has been traced back a breathtaking 6 generations or so, to the 1700's. We once had a house guest from Djerba, where most of the Jewish population claims to be descended from kohanim who came over after the first Hurban. When I remarked that I was a kohen, too, she gave me a withering look.


Gravatar I actually meant to say, essentially, what you said, Dan, to Lurker.

Frankly, there are no reliable geneology lists that are 3000 years old. Period.

Speaking of the British royal geneology, it's quite interesting. You've got your Hebrew names and then all of a sudden it turns Celtic. Gawaine ben Zedekiah. Well, not literally, but they do have a ma'aseh which explains how the blood of David ended up on the British Isles (google "Tea Tephi"). It's all very nice, but it takes just a little story to turn Zedekiahs in ancient Israel into Gawaines in ancient Briton, and finally into Victorias and Elizabeths today.

It is, of course, worth noting that today this geneology list is not actually used by the royal family. Rather, they claim descent from Aelfred who lived in the 8th and 9th century. Even a geneology like that is pretty remarkable. I never met anyone who could plausibly claim descent from Rav Sherira Ga'on.


Gravatar S, just to make sure you didn't misunderstand my post - I wasn't implying that you were using the term 'euphemism' incorrectly, just that I had never heard that usage before...


Gravatar The British Royal family geneology is pretty well established back to William the Conqueror (b. 1025), but as he was also known as William the Bastard, earlier antecedents are uncertain...


Gravatar "ayin as well if we're not Mizrahi"

You meant if your not Mizrachi or a Brisker. Right.


Gravatar Eh?


Gravatar Well, he appears to be quite a good Samaritan.



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