One of the Baldwin brothers?
I don't know but that looks like a pic from 100 years ago. But I must say you were very handsome in your youth.
Rav Hutner?
Boris Badenov?
damn i wish i could grow my hair like that
Was Boris Badenov in fact an Orthodox Jew? He was always wearing that hat. And the way he said "Oy, Natasha"--I mean, it seems pretty clera.
Not only clera, but also clear.
One of the Baldwin brothers?
I knew that face looked familiar!
Well, I won't keep everyone in suspense forever.
This is Ittamar Ben Avi; Eliezer Ben Yehuda's journalist son; the first "Hebrew speaking child."
Who cares?
I also wish Jewish guys could grow their hair this way. Or at least grow some hair.
Definitely a Hebrew face.
Why'd he change his last name? Just because his Dad did?
"Avi" is roshei tevot for "Eliezer Ben Yehuda," by the way.
aj heschel.
What with you and pictures of the Ben Yehuda men?
> Why'd he change his last name? Just because his Dad did?
Hey, he was after all, his father's son! :)
Oh I know! I know! It's the fourth Lubavitcher rebbe before he had his image makeover!
Garnel Ironheart, how disgusting of you.
Do you get your information from Deinard's rantings, or from Kopuster pashkevilin?
I should add, halevai you should author the tiniest fraction of Divrei Torah that were authored by the Maharash in his early twenties.
I guess ba'alei teshuva occupy a low rung on the totem pole for Chabad.
There are still lots of pictures floating out there from before Artscroll took over the publishing world that show many gedolei hador in their pre-modern outfits. I recall seeing a picture of a young Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, zt"l, with a goatee wearing a modern suit. Rav Simcha Bunim of Pshischah, while working as a pharmacist, dressed like one. Rebbe Shneerson, z"l, wore a straw hat the day he returned from France to New York. A person's greatness isn't determined by how "holy" they look in a photo and such photos do not diminish their greatness.
There is no such picture of Reb Shlomo Zalmen. Look at the pictures in his biography-he never wore a beard like that.
aw, Garnel, the epitome of temimus, mamash zich tzu derkviken.
Your first comment was nothing short of an ad hominem attack; not a biographical note on the Maharash's boots.
An image makeover is to metamorphose from a modern, clean shaven bachurl into Rav Shteineman while employing an entire international self-aggrandizing campaign staff. An image makeover is to reinvent a zionist Rav mamlachti into Rav Elyashiv while maintaining a staff of yes-men and hit-men.
Someone who spent 48 short years in this world, and who became a Rebbe at 32, and who authored a prodigious amount of kisvei kabbala va'chassidus, consistently from the age of 19 till his death, cannot be described as someone with an image makeover.
Apologize.
What a disgusting putdown of Rav Shteinman, you chabadsker sicko.
hey litvak, what about the unwarranted "putdown" of the Maharash of Lubavitch? I'll be grateful if you'd explain succinctly why that wasn't disgusting and sick.
Also, please explain the trei gedarim in "image makeover" so that it can only apply to Chabad Gedolim (where there is actually no shaichus), but not to non-Chabad ones (where there is).
btw, are you on the R. Shteinman team which is why du host nisht ungenumen for R. Elyashiv's "kavod"?
No one pretends that Litvishe gedolim did not dress like Litvishe bochurim when they were young; that is because there is a chilluk in how bochurim and rabbonim dress. It can't be a "makeover" for a man to dress like a 20 year old when he was 20, and a 60 (0r 90) year old when he reaches those ages.
This is not a comment about the Maharash; I have no knowledge or opinion about him. However, very obviously Chassidishe bochurim dress more like Chassidishe rebbes than do the Litvishe. Thus, a rebbe who did not dress like other Chassidishe bochurim in his youth is not to be compared with a "godol" who did dress like his peers.
did Litvak find the referance to R. Shteinman as a "modern, clean shaven bachurl" disgusting? methinks not.
As you may realize, an "image makeover" involves two images; the old one, and the new one. The term also suggests that the new one is just an engineered front, a cover-up, for the "real" person, whom we recognize from the old image.
No one denies that certain gedolim looked differently in their youth. But what Garnel Ironheart was evidently suggesting (by cynically injecting the issue into a totally unrelated discussion), was that the Maharash (who may actually have never changed from his modern mode of dress) only pretended to be a Rebbe. But really, by the life of Garnel, his old image indicates his true identity. This is the usual spiteful drivel advanced by chabad-haters (who exhibit the symptoms of Jew-haters).
To this I responded that the Mahrash lived only 48 years, and that from age 19 on, he consistently produced Rebbe-worthy material which is printed and readily available (even online). This conclusively proves that the Maharash was an Ish muram me'am from a young age. Thus, we know that there is no new engineered image at all.
Conversly, while not harping on the merits or minuses of R. Shteinman's or R. Elayshiv's old image, we know with certainty that their new image is the product of careful staging and engineering, as is easily evindent. There is no printed evidence which indicates that they are deserving of their status. It's well-known that they have reached their status politically, not "Talmudically" or "Halachically".
We know that R. Shteinman engages in promotional publicity trips abroad which are carefully arranged and executed by a dedicated campaign team.
We know that R. Elyashiv has reached his mighty position not through virtue, but through aggressive measures carried out through a cadre of loyalists who will stop at nothing to impose their leader's authority on one and all.
Now that's an image makeover.
And btw, the statement "No one pretends that Litvishe gedolim did not dress like Litvishe bochurim when they were young" is false.
>And btw, the statement "No one pretends that Litvishe gedolim did not dress like Litvishe bochurim when they were young" is false.
Is it really? There are so-called Litvaks think that the Litvishe gedolim wore beards in their youth, for example? Who are they, and are they older than 9 years old?
are you a "so-called litvak"? how do you know that the gedolim shaved? I for one could never have known till I accessed the internet.
most would find these very suprising.
>are you a "so-called litvak"? how do you know that the gedolim shaved? I for one could never have known till I accessed the internet.
I am; I don't know why you would be under the impression otherwise. No "so-called Litvak" thinks that the hanhaga of shaving among bochurim began in the 1950s.
alright, this inconsequential aspect has descended into a machlokes b'metzius.
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