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Real talk: the Clipse album ain't that much better than Game's album, if at all. I know being a Clipse fanboy is practically de rigeur for hip hop mp3 bloggers but Hell Hath No Fury is not the mythical masterpiece time and XXL mag have made it out to be. It's a solid album, no more no less. Game and his album are being way underrated because of his personal shortcomings. MC-wise I'd put him up against Malice and Pusha all day and bet money he'd hold his own without breaking much of a sweat.
Ian, seriously, c'mon dude. Game up against Pusha and Malice? Let's not play ourselves. That's a nice record, Game's. But it's not this.
Ian,
What Sean said. I thought The Game's new album was actually pretty good if not for all his over-emo-ing. But the Clipse album is simply leaner AND meaner (but still not an 5 star album, I agree with you there).
Bottomline: it's no "We Got It 4 Cheap."
Not that anybody expect them to be smart, but it should be "Nous ne sommes pas des rappeurs"...
SLurg : you're right.
Howerever this is pretty cool stuff for guys "qui ne sont pas des rappers".
Slug,
Ah b/c "des" is the plural form of "de" no?
This is what I get for using Babelfish.
(Obviously, je ne parle pas le français). In fact, I'm not even sure that's right. 
Exactly. You could even say "Nous ne sommes pas rappeurs".
Oliver,
I think your observation re: returning to the kitchen is very astute. One thing I wonder is whether fans would embrace raps in real-time devoid of ego or "the streets?"
We've gone from (and this is just some quick thoughts):
Nas - Illmatic (reporting in 2nd person on what is going on in the street)
Jay - Recounting what went on in the streets in 1st person (in past tense)
Clipse etc - Telling you what they do on the streets (like right now).
Do you think hip hop listeners are ready for other real-time narratives or would they even "get it" for that matter?
Guys, I'm not drinking the kool-aid with yall, sorry. The Clipse album is very good but I'm not playing it over The Game's personally but maybe that's just me. HHNF is too samey sounding all the way through for me and falls short of Lord Willin' as an album.
I def. would put Game up against Malice and Pusha on the MC tip still too. Diff of opinion I guess.
As for "over emo-ing"?? I'm not sure I even know what that really means but if I interpret your intention correctly, is Mr. "Perma Mean Mug" even capable of doing that?
I've often wondered if any emcee, even the best, could pull off an album without self-references or dissing sucker emcee's. Could you see Shakespeare slamming some local punk thespian in his latest sonnet?
"As for "over emo-ing"?? I'm not sure I even know what that really means but if I interpret your intention correctly, is Mr. "Perma Mean Mug" even capable of doing that?"
You've heard "Doctor's Advocate" right?
I just wish rappers could all get off the ego ish. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy even the most ignt bumps, and I know folks want to air rap catchy gngsta ish instead of Stop the Violence while winding up hoes, but seriously, as much as I dig the clipse, I wish they'd shut up about the coke game. It was cool, but played when Pot was the talk, but cmon we're marketing cocaine and X now! (whitegirl, thizzle). Really, even if you are into that, wouldn't you think your relationship with the drug is being sold out. With Hiphop being the most lyric based music (save spoken word) we sure say the least i think. And I know MC's CAN.
Oh yeah, peep Kirby Dominant's new album. A couple tracks are a little too much "on that other ish", but most is really "on that good other ish". Make sure you ff to the [annoying]hidden track (why do albums still do that). DONT EXPECT...mostly self produced. A-plus, Roy Hargrove do a lil something. Nice melodies.
The real question: Is Hell Hath No Fury better than Fishscale? My proposal: yes.
I'm sorry. All this stuff sucks. The lyrics are crap. The beats are ok, but will be forgoten. I love the original sample songs though. Thanks for bringing them to everyone.
All I have to say is cocaine is a hell of a drug. A lot of the young kids out here listening to Jeezy and the Clipse are really growing addictions to some nasty shit. I thought it was already determined that crack is wack. Just come see some of the folks on my block. I don't respect the dealers on my block in person, so should I respect the ones who do it on record? Or is it just all MARKETING A&R, record company people, let me know, so I can stop worrying about the youth in my community. When we gonna move beyond?
Is it a conspiracy? I do believe in freedom of speech and all, but honestly, one way to get out of the disenfranchised ghetto is save money and stop the ghetto fabulism. Seriously, cokes an expensive habit, as is Bape, 20's, ice grills. Trade all that in with the swap meet xxxl wears for a suit. As the country seems to get more oppressive, how does stripper cocaine music dominate urban airwaves. Even the young R&B singers don't seem to respect themselves much. It's worse than Vegas. Alright, sorry for the ranting...probably on another blog.
"Ride Around Shining" is outstanding.
Surely Reggae DJs boast about their own skills almost as much as rappers. There's a bunch of technique based singing styles that are arguably just as competitive and egotistical as rap; yodelling, skatting, deep bass singing. All those dudes big themselves up. You want to check some Tibetan monkbeef.
http://www.canibringmygat.com
They're niggers! They're niggers! They're niggers!
> You've heard "Doctor's Advocate" right?
Of course and what? Dude tries to add a more human element to his rhymes and still gets dissed. What is he supposed to do: be super-gangsta all the time? He already gets clowned for mean-mugging in every video and photo but goes the other way in his records and still can't win.
I don't normally get into debates online over the relative merits of artists but Game is getting so slept on by aficianados that's it's stupid. Listen to the Dre-produced "QB True G" featuring him going toe-to-toe with Nas and tell me with a straght face he ain't mad NICE! He's held his own against Nas twice in a month now. I'm telling you Malice and Pusha would not be a problem. Trust!
Game is being severely underrated because he's half-a-fcckward as far as personally with his stupid-ass beefs. But as far as making hot records, dude is ridiculous no question.
I like the Clipse as much as the next guy but the fact is, a large part of their fanbase happens to blog or write for magazines which has distorted the perception of how big their fanbase really is. Sad to say but they are not as hot in the hood as they should be and, for some reason they've become the "thinking man's" or hipster coke rap group. Fans who were too young to have copped Lord Willin' but could or should be into them now f-ck with Juelz, Jeezy and Weezy etc. instead.
As far as Game goes, the Doctor's Advocate album is crazy and smashing pretty much everything out right now including the Clipse. A couple years from now cats who are naysaying it are gonna come around and quietly admit it's a modern classic just like everyone had to on 50's GRODT joint (me being one of them admittedly) and Game's debut. But why wait til then when you can enjoy it now?
While HHNF may not be a 5 star album if you're really picky and think that there aren't more than 30 such albums made in Hip Hop history, it is still one of a measly two really exiting albums that have dropped this year, the other being A Piece Of Strange. I'm a die hard Ghost fan myself, but Fishscale isn't touching this. And HHID looks to be a clunker outside of one track.
What Dj.no.one says. The je-ne-sais-quoi charm of soul-sides, its raison d'être is displaying roots.
The new Clipse album is WAY better than the new Jay-Z. The best song on Kingdome Come is Beach Chair with Cris Martin and that says enough....
Ian's right. I like the Game album more.
O-Dub I'm surprised to see you get on this "Clipse invented crack rap" thing, the dudes were one hit wonders and weren't proto-anything.
Definitely agree with the above poster that A Piece of Strange by CunninLynguists was the best hip-hop album this year. Sadly, I get the feeling that a lot of people talking this and that about 'best album of the year' haven't even heard the disc.
A whole boatload of music review sites, including one well-known one that Mr. Fennessey writes for, didn't even review it! This despite the fact that practically anyone who has bothered to listen to the disc has given it a very positive review. I recognize as much as anybody the sorry state that the underground is in right now, but this is just inexcusable. They aren't even that underground -- Kno produced a track for Jay-Z on the black album.
These hipsters need to stop convincing themselves that corporate crack-rap is better than it is and at least try to broaden their knowledge of hip-hop.
all i can say is crack rap. crack rap.
if it's what selling do what cha gotta do.
we different holla.
we the best out of the south no bullshit real talk...New Orleans in here yall get @ us we about to blow up baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Born and raised in what now is known famously as the “UPT” Smoke and Doe’ja we’re born in the 17th ward in the neighborhood of Gertown. Having been exposed to the usual climate of violence and drugs the boy’s mother though it would be better for them to move downtown with there grandmother to a middle class neighborhood in the 9th ward. Press Park would only offer the same environment being so close to one of the city’s most notorious projects. The Desire was known for some of the city’s most violent crimes, and that’s where they would get their first taste of rap music. Doe’ja was introduced to the hip hop culture by his big brother E-Mac which helped him expose his self in Grambling, LA doing shows at various clubs with artist like UNLV, B.G. and U.G.K. Being heavily influenced by artist like Scarface, 2pac, LL Cool J, and I Cube, Doe’ja would have his first experience in hip hop in 1984 at the New Orleans World Fair. This would be the beginning of his journey for rap success. With several performances under his belt, he and his brother E-Mac started a group called the Unknown Mob, while younger brother Smoke in the wings waiting to prove himself he started his own group which would lead to him making beats on his own. The brothers would go on there own roads to achieve success.
Doe and E going to Grambling and Smoke going to Southern they all worked on different projects. Smoke collabing with the Baton Rouge hip hop scene would work with some of No Limit’s prominent artist such as, Kane & Able and Fiend. Then to move on to Atlanta to try to further his career. He worked with underground dj’s, and featured on HOT 107.9 as a freestyle artist and got a chance to freestyle with the industry’s best like Mr. Cheeks, Slum Village, Archie and producers on the come up like him. Trying to come up on the hip hop scene Doe’ja was offered many different offers from local rap label that didn’t fit the bill, but with his hustling skills decided to start his own record label Heavie Weight in 1998.
Unable to score a deal that was gravy enough for Smoke to sign a deal he decided to just create his on sound and buzz the underground music scene. Since then Smoke has dropped a solo project and both have dropped underground disc. They would join forces years later after the death of the big brother E-Mac which would bring Smoke back to New Orleans to work with his big brother Doe where they would collabe to introduce to the world who they are “ DA GUDDA BRUDAZ”. Having their first finished project at a hault due to hurricane Katrina which they experienced first hand by staying in their studio to finish mixing down the album to be released. Having to evacuate their studio in boats and spend a week at the New Orleans Convention Center. Smoke & Doe’ja had to live up to their names and kept it Gudda in the conditions they were placed in. Now after the storm there city is out of commission, but they are bouncing back on the music scene, with the gudda music for the streets, from the realest of the the real gudda streets of New Orleans, LA.
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Sorry to get up in this discussion late. But I just wanted to comment on Ian discrediting the Clipse' credibility due to the fact that hip-hop afficianados and bloggers slobber all over them thus they have no street cred (if this wasnt what you were trying to convey, then I apologize). You also mentioned something about the kids in the streets not listening to them. After being at several different high schools in South East San Diego and seeing more than my fair share of tall tees emblazoned with the phrase "I got it for cheap" and hearing students chant "wamp wamp" I'd have to say that kids in the streets are indeed listening to the Clipse. But this is only one market, I can't speak for the rest of America.
Let me start by again restating: I.am.a.Clipse.fan. I'm just not buying into the blogger/fanboy/critical hype that HHNF is the best thing ever since sliced bread. The album's cool but frankly, it ain't even f-ckin' with their last album IMHO.
If you re-read what I said above carefully, you will see I never "discredit[ed] the Clipse' credibility" and didn't say they have no street cred. I said they're not hot in the hood but also added that they should be.
And compared to Juelz, Weezy, T.I., Rick Ross & Jeezy etc., it's true: they're not hot in the hood. Clipse are running a distant second for fan love and supremacy in the coke-rap/trap hop commerical sales stakes (although word is they may touch 90-100K in first week sales which would be amazing given the utter lack of love the singles & videos from this album have gotten as compared to their peers).
If anyone wants to dispute this, all I gotta say is peep where these dudes do their shows in NYC and who shows up to see them as compared to these other acts.
All that being said, Clipse could easily be just one BET/urban radio hit away from being your little brother's favorite new artist so I would never count them out - they're too talented to do that. But this time out, Game's got them beat quality album-wise but the "tastemakers" out there don't want to acknowledge that and give him his due which is what I have taken issue with from the get.
After listening to it one more time, just to make sure that I am not missing something that others found, I am amazed how clipse can't stay on beat. Plus AB-Liva actually uses words with more than one syllable and his rhymes are not just long vowels.
Still thanking your for your continued work at bringing us source material.
David,
My first line in my review quite explicitly states that the Clipse did NOT invent crack rap. They did, however, reinvent it.
David,
Just to add...any one who'd claim they're "one hit wonders" has evidently not heard of "They Got It 4 Cheap." Just saying.
Ian: I can't comment of whether or not the Clipse are hot in the hood or not but it's not really fair to compare them to Jeezy, i.e. one of the biggest rap acts of 2005 who has another album out in less than a year PLUS a few mixtapes to fill in the time between. The Clipse, "We Got It 4 Cheap" aside, haven't had much in terms of a commercial presence in four years.
Moreover, I think it's very easy to make the argument that the Clipse helped create the conditions under which someone like Jeezy could blow up to begin with.
I agree though, HHNF is no Lord Willin.
As for the Game: my main issue with the next album is not that he's trying to be more human, it's that I don't need to hear him keep talking about how he "can sell it without Dre but I'm still down with Dre. Right? Dre? Dre? You still like me, right?" That's cool for one song but it feels like half the album (title included) keeps coming back to that theme and PERSONALLY, I think it weakens the album.
That said, I like The Game even though I think he still spends far too much time name-dropping but this new album shows some improvement in his flow and imagination (at points). But while it's one step forward, I think other parts of the album represent a step and a half back. This all said, I still gave the album a generally favorable review.
(And yeah, the Clipse CD is better than Doctor's Advocate in my personal opinion).
O-Dub,
All due respect but I don't think they really reinvented either. Guys have been spitting from that never-left-the-kitchen perspective for a minute, and lots of them sold more than the Clipse - see for example master p ("c-c-cook crack like this"). And the comment about them being one-hit-wonders is addressing their status before the I Got It 4 Cheap mixtapes dropped - not that those mixtapes were big hits either, but my point was just that I don't think they changed the game in any noticeable way. I like the new album all right but I think everyone is rushing to give it more significance than it deserves.
uh misquote on my part obv, "m-m-make crack like this"
David,
We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not discounting the prevalence of crack rappers pre-Clipse. But I think that there was something distinctly different about what the Clipse were able to do with Lord Willin (not the least of which was that Master P didn't have Neptunes production behind him) that was a nudge (if not outright shift).
But just to open this up to a more generation discussion: what explains the INCREASED popularity of crack rap in the last few years? You think the Clipse played NO role in that?
haha yeah dont worry I'm not gonna get all 'the last word' on you - I would say in response to your last question, I'd argue that the crack rap thing, the whole urban hustling on-the-corner street rap thing has been an undercurrent for most of the genre's history, and I don't really see the coke-rap thing as being very new; I mean this kind of shit existed on cash money and no limit records for years, and they were as popular, more popular even, than the Clipse. To me the issue of Clipse's popularity among bloggers isn't a sign of them being bad or something; just a signal that their influence isn't very wide-reaching. Their popularity was mostly based on "Grinding," which was popular more because of the beat than any particular cocaine fetish.
I donno thats just my take.
(v. interested to know what other people think tho)
Coke rap's been poppin' since at least the BDP/Criminal Minded era. I agree with David - what are the Clipse doing that's so different from "Love's Gonna Getcha"? It's good but it ain't new but whatever.
Seeing this line: "And the comment about them being one-hit-wonders is addressing their status before the I Got It 4 Cheap mixtapes dropped - not that those mixtapes were big hits either..." reminded me of the fact that about 6-7 months ago, my man Agallah, who's part of the Purple City/Dipset mixtape movement, asked me what was up with the Clipse and stated that, "they should be putting out mixtapes." I looked at him incredudlous and told him about We Got it 4 Cheap Vol. 1 and 2. He had NO IDEA those had even come out and he STAYS in the streets. Like I said: not hot in the hood....
And O, dudes, everyone from D-Block & Biggie to Juelz/Dipset, have been talking about moving bricks and having "Papi" as their connect forever so I'm not sure you can give Clipse that much sole credit. But if you wanna argue the point, I'd say T.I. deserves at least as much credit, if not more than the Clipse, anyway.
Thats a good pt, and T.I. has sold way, way more records
Sorry, I'm still trying to get my head around how anyone would seek to compare "Love's Gonna Getcha" with the Clipse. Apples and oranges. Apples and orangatans.
It's not talking about crack or coke that is unique to the Clipse. I mean, hello, "White Lines" anyone?
It's HOW they speak on it. And just so we're clear, I'm not suggesting that the Clipse are SOLELY responsible. But I think, if you look back to 2002 with "Lord Willin," there is a shift that happens, a shift that helps explain T.I., helps explain Jeezy, helps explain Juelz' last album.
But look, at the end of the day, if people aren't buying the Clipse's relevance, ok...that's fine by me. It's not like this point NEEDS to be accepted by all. It's a contention, it's obviously arguable.
Regardless, whether you think the group is all that influential or not, that popular or not...none of this is relevant to a discussion of their album. That's responding to the hype and as noted in my more recent post, it's besides the point.
Unrelated...this new Ghost is sick:
http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=6349
^^^ Oliver, I thought you knew better. Ghost = slobberd by bloggers. Thus, he aint hood.
(pullin Ian's chain)
Nope, Ghost is still hood and so is Dipset even though they get jocked by bloggers too It actually mystifies me why the Clipse lost the buzz they had in the hood on the last album cos it's not like the music they make doesn't or couldn't have hood appeal. Maybe the beats are too weird or something??
But I think we've just about reached an impasse on this Clipse debate though I've still yet to hear anyone explain what it is that the Clipse are doing that is so revolutionary as far as the coke rap thing goes. They're nice with the verbs, the beats are knockin' and they talk about coke... a lot. But that's it. They're just the latest dudes doing it, frankly. The mania this group engenders amongst hipsters, indie rock types and the like is another total mystery to me.
Finally, why is comparing them to BDP apples and oranges, O? If anything, BDP seemed to delve into the psyche and motivations of a crack dealer more deeply than anything on HHNF but what the f-ck do I (or anyone in this debate) really know about that? Everything I know about being a D-boy or hustling on the block I learned from rap records, movies and watching The Wire!
Clipse lost love b/c Jive/Zomba sat on their album over 1-2 years. Most artists wouldn't wait four years, intentionally, to drop their sophomore effort.
And Ian - I respect your diff in opinion but honestly, if you don't think the group is next level, then so be it. You're comments are really on some "fuck this hype" but that's got very little to do with the group. I don't know why you're so caught up in that, especially as a blogger. You know these things go. It's static though.
This all seems like an adverse reaction to forum, not product. As in, because it's gotten dap in OUTLET A, it can't possibly hold weight in OUTLET B. Now whether OUTLET A=the Internet / Pitchfork / Blogs and OUTLET B=The Streets, is irrelevant to what we're talking about. I don't really agree that Clipse redefined or reinvigorated or revolutionized music about drugs. They didn't. I tried (but apparently failed considering the reaction) to focus on the form of the music and the ideological construction in the piece I wrote about HHNF. The design of the beats, the spareness of the sequencing, the use of the language etc. Thought that might draw away from this "hipsters obsessed with coke rap" idea. As if there are kids in white shoes sitting around giggling over societal decay. That's absurd. To say nothing of the claim that "irony" is what drives this enjoyment. I work at a rap magazine, I don't need to parse this hipster controversy. But because certain praise appears in certain forums (i.e. Pitchfork) it's divested of credibility it might have otherwise.
If anyone here read my blog when I was still writing it, I'd written about Clipse more than a few times preceding We Got It 4 Cheap Vol. 1 and essentially kept asking "What happened to these guys? Lord Willin' is one the best albums of the decade." I felt connected to their music almost instantly when I first heard "The Funeral." There's a vitality, an East Coast sound, and yet an experimental and oddly self-loathing streak that really appealed to me from the beginning. If that's somehow lead to new people loving the music that might not otherwise, I can't say I'm mad. In hip-hop everybody wants these things for themselves, so they can keep it in their little clubhouse and the same 90 dudes can meet and agree that y'know Cool C was really underrated even before he caught a charge. But that's total nonsense. It's commerce and art and the spread of that can't be a bad thing, so long as there's an understanding of what's going on. If hipsters (and frankly, white people) were so keen to the idea of black self-immolation via cocaine, they'd also obsess over Only Built For Cuban Linx and Road to the Riches and 100 copies of New Jack City. But these invisible hipsters aren't doing that. Also, if all of this were true, I wouldn't be making jokes about "Brick" Ross. I'd buy his album.
Also, David I realize you're just not feeling this album. That's your prerogative, of course. I just hope it's not some nasty reactionary move against some of the things that have been said about it.
Well I for one never said Clispe is not hot or Clipse is not hot cos only hipsters like them. But I AM saying that, because mostly hipsters seem to like them nowadays, a lot of people who know f-ck all or close to f-ck all about hip hop seem to have jumped on the bandwagon and declared them "the greatest ever" or their new (only?) favorite rap group or something similar to a point where it's getting ridiculous.
Like seriously, I do posts on my site every once in while on rock and elctronica stuff I f-ck with but why have My Kentucky Blog, Said the Gramaphone, Moistworks and a bunch of other indie music mp3 blogs all been posting on The Clipse recently??
UR right, O - I'm not buying into that line of hype and just wanted to deflate it a little. There's far too much of it going around this blog world of ours and sometimes I feel like calling the emperor's new clothes on it.
did clipse do something revolutionary to kick the door down for coke-rap? not especially.. i think they're just one head on the coke-rap hydra, albeit a fuckin dangerous head....
there's somethin about their vocab, flow, beat selection and overall ballsy attitude that i enjoy... its not that malice or pusha get me excited.. its that the clipse get me excited... i didnt get my panties wet thinkin about the new joint like the rest of us nerds did, however... im too busy bumpin the new game to really dig deep into hell hath.....
i co-sign on the idea that clipse arent 'street' as people think.. i pretty much have one foot in the gutter and one foot in panera and i can tell ya that the clipse (as well as ghostface) just doesnt get the same excitement or hype as some of the other standout's in semi-mainstream hiphop.. its not that their skills arent noticed or even respected.. it just doesnt (as far as i can tell) get people to sit up and notice.. streets just kinda say, yea i respect what ghostface does or the clipse's skills, and the conversation doesnt really go anywhere else.....
"The best song on Kingdome Come is Beach Chair"
u serious?
Sean,
I appreciate yr posts on this a lot! I don't hate the album, I am feeling it - its just, like, there are 10 rap albums I like as much or more this year and to have people see this towering over the rest of rap is like, dude, do you like rap or do you just like rap that people have told you its cool to like? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with liking the clipse, it just seems like an odd choice for people to rally around.
But now we're just repeating ourselves...the clipse album is good. So is Fat Joe's. Just trying to keep things in perspective.
(obv the 'you' is a rhetorical you, not SF of PFM)
The Fat Joe album is definitely good!
I'm kinda tired of the relevancy of the streets. Sure, hiphop is from the streets. But honestly, WTF that really dwelves into music cares what the streets is listening to. Nowadays, if your badder at doing the same ish that the next guy is doing, you can start rocking some kinda angle immaterial to the music, and the "streets" will follow you in. BAPE? Now come'on!! Rainbow colored patterns that cost hundreds. Well, it was kinda like rocking black jordans on one foot and red ones on the other. When the streets is listening to jeezy, or rick ross, or whoevers...that's just the blind leading the blind.
However,the Games got beats. The Clipse has some "other" beats and they DO have delivery, and that I'll put over the Game, Jeezy, Dipset anyday. But again, why is the mainstream pushing cocaine?? If there is such control over the radio today, why then? Apparently cuz the music sells like coke to hipsters, thugsters, yougsters.
It is what it is, and if it is a good is, that is the music. Just if it could lay off the ego be it drugs, cars, MC skills. Elevate this shit. I think gangster can do it too.
Dudes no one is arguing that popularity in the streets is 'what matters.' We're not creating some heirarchy here, dudes who say 'clipse = best rap evah!' are. Bringing up the streets isnt some attempt to be like 'that shit sucks because its not DOWN' but to say 'the internet does not = all rap'
*laugh* Remember when the "internet does not = all rap" was about Mos Def and Kweli? Now it's about Clipse.
How things change.
Co sign the Fat Joe album is good comments. He's being severely overlooked too though I would never argue Fat Joe > or = Clipse... 
Ok, we've officially veered into crazy land
Fat Joe's album has good beats. But c'mon people. "Severely overlooked"?
Damn, O. Be easy! UR right though, he did 60+K first week so he wasn't really overlooked although he dropped the std. 66% to 20K second week. But that ain't so surprising w/o a hit record to drive sales.
well, i am in the streets. just cause i have a blog doesn't mean much more than i have a laptop and a love of music. btw i'm in college so i have plenty of free time to write. i can tell you that at least in virginia, people kept following the clipse and have been checking for hhnf. just because their last couple of knitting factory shows had a bunch of all over print hoody, $300+ nike dunks, aviator sunglasses, and new era caps wearing hipsters doesn't NECESSARILY mean that they don't have a fanbase in the streets. in virginia beach, the clipse have stayed on the people's minds. i just wanted to clear that up for the people that want to think that the only following the clipse have are suburban white kids and hipsters (or former dipset street teamers). so from somebody actually in the streets, the clipse ain't all about hipsters.
we got it 4 cheap vol. 2 was definitely in people's ears. i spent 1 month in florida, next month in dc.. and i couldn't help but hear kids talking about it as they just chilled or rode the metro.
Mike, since the Clipse are from VA, they better at least have the hood on lock in their home market!
yeah, i mean that's the only streets i can speak on right now. but i know in richmond, they are hot right now. in virginia beach, they are hot right now. everywhere else, i can't speak on.
I think yr question/observation about the self-referential in rap and not jazz etc. makes sense but you can probably look at the whole of be-bop as a constant ego-trip on big-band standards. Not that that's a bad thing. thanks for the clipse.
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