A Revolution is the Solution
reading the discussion on that forum makes me want to smash my head into a wall. all they are focusing on is: MP is a good program & the author needs a living.
the words "optional" and "sponsor" are now two words i dislike most. overused and misused.
what they seem to be missing is that MS admittedly made an error of judgement and rectified it, does anything else really matter?
it now comes down to intelligence and maturity. i don't usually insult those two, but looking at the two sides here - i can't help it.
it's turning into the same adware vs malware bullshit once again. when can i expect a half decent argument point from that side?
Never
Right PATCHOU Makes a little program which is an addon to Msnplus Ok if he's got the time and the skill good on him But then he thinks how can i make some cash out of this ?
Oops sorry bad move if you want to make money then attaching Addware to your Program is a bad move for a start Being then made an MVP was even Worse surely PATCHOU you Realised what has Happened could happen? A after all there are a lot of people out there that Hate Addware mostly those who at one time or other have been Affected by the Damn stuff PATCHOU im sure you had the best of Intentions when you started out But in words that have been used before If you lay down with Dogs you get up with fleas
Djeezus man, and you're an MVP yourself???
As I stated in the comments of your other blog article, you seriously need to learn how to investigate things and learning to not twist things around.
Again, it is not Patchou, nor Messenger Plus! which is a danger for 'the unknowledgable', it is people like you who twist things around, and even does NOT quote stuff correctly and pull everything out of context just to proof your point.
It is stuff like this which would almost make ME (and others) wanna turn in any reconition that MS would give... unfortunatly that's generalization too, something you're good at and I don't wanna lower myself to that...
And Sandi being the best source on the matter of Plus!??? Excuse me... did she programmed it? Does she even know how to investigate programs in a proper way? I guess not, why? Because I've seen her accusing Plus! of all sorts of stuff. And the stuff she did not know was written down on her pages in such a suggestive manner that it was very hard to even think she meant to say that she didn't know something.
In short, this blog of yours clearly proofs how you twist stuff around instead of properply investigating things and telling things like they really are.
I thought Sandi was sometimes bad. But I stand corrected, you're indeed nothing more than a whining little kid IMHO, at least Sandi doesn't quote as badly as you or doesn't twist around stuff as much has you.
" Djeezus man, and you're an MVP yourself???
As I stated in the comments of your other blog article, you seriously need to learn how to investigate things and learning to not twist things around."
LMAO - and you seriously need to learn how to read. Because in case you hadn't noticed, the person above is called Milligansghost and is, amazingly enough, not actually me.
But please continue to post, you're comedy gold.
You know what Oscer. LOL @ j0000
Enough said!
Send more of these msgplus guys over, because theyre COMPLETELY FRIGGING HILARIOUS. I DEMAND MORE!
Oscar, can I have some milk? Because you are one serious lol-cow!
Best post ever alert!
"At least get your facts straight!
It's called "Messenger Plus!" NOT "MessengerPlus"
lollercakes
All that needs to be said about these 'Anon' posters and several, but not all of the MessPlus group is, from little minds come little things.
All they wanna do is paraphrase this one and that one and avoid actual conversation.
It makes them look smart and feel better
....the space makes all the difference. All your logic are belong to us.
1. No MVPs ever confronted MS with threats to leave the program
2. The author of Mess Plus was denied MVP status previously because of the sponsor bundled with the program
3. The author not only did not drop the sponsor, he's an official of the sponsoring COMPANY
4. The author benefits *financially* from the install of the sponsor
5. The author could have *chosen* other methods to raise revenue for the program
6. The author chose to stay with the same revenue producing method
All credit to the MVP Program for making a mistake and then correcting it as soon as possible.
If the author of the program would like to be considered for MVP status, then the author has to change to a more savory means of raising revenue for the time spent developing it.
What is so hard to understand about that ?
For the Record no im not Paperghost
and from what i have seen from some of the small minded posts he has Received here in the last 2 days i would not want to be. Paperghost to my mind is Out to do 1 thing and thats to Protect the Net innocents from being Exploited by the Abusers of the Internet, Im not stating that about Patchou but if you are 15 and just downloaded Lop, then it would be hard to tell the differance.
to the Anon Brigade on here Again if you dont like the Response dont post in here ...
oh wow - they actually DELETED the nine page thread on their forum. not just locked mind you, but DELETED. then again, all I saw was a bunch of posts from various security people with reasoned posts and a bunch of kids posting stuff about cocks and sucking it, or something like that.
specially that whiney emo kid with the long hair, the one who wrote something like
5 million users > you
lol.
microsoft > your heroes MVP award
....fucking noob.
hmm..appears to be another thread about it
http://www.msghelp.net/showthrea...id=66984&
page=6
i particularly liked this part:
"I'm not accusing Paperghost nor Sandi for being the leader in this particular case. Although, I must say that those two have a very big influence. So willingly or not, they did had a very big share in this. As it are the things which they said over the years about Plus! which eventually lead to the unfortunatly event we are discussing now."
Guess what, this is the first time I've ever written about MsgPlus on my blog. "Over the years?" Gimme a break. And from an MVP, too. He also says "If you investigate even a little bit you'll see that there are no porn ads at all in the Plus! sponsor."
Well, great investigation. I guess I'm imagining the below screenshot of an Adultfriendfinder ad from....the Plus sponsor:
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/gra...rg/
graphics.htm
Mm, yeah, you know, adultfriendfinder - that site that shows you exactly how much of a Brazilian their customers have.
Can someone tell me what it is about these people that consistently state everyone is "generalising" and they "don't have all the facts", all the while making completely incorrect statements based on God knows what?
the MVP guy finished off with
"Generalizations again.... Why is it so hard to actually see the difference between things??"
You said it, pal.
you should start an abba tribute band, Pwnd Again
Many moons ago, well not that long ago really, MessengerPlus resided happily on my computer when suddenly - up pops a lot of random stuff oh noes!!! MessengerPlus is removed but it leaves behind a little present .... LOP which just really didn't want to move anywhere else, until I decided to seek the help of some geniuses. Several HJT logs later and lots of time, energy and swear words LOP packed its bags and left my system. Would I install MessengerPlus again? Now let me think on that one - how about NO not if i was paid a fortune.
If I wanted an infected computer system, I'd remove my Antivirus, open up my firewall so any numpty could get in to my computer or then again, I'd just let a 10year old lose on my system lollercakes
paperghost,
"LMAO - and you seriously need to learn how to read. Because in case you hadn't noticed, the person above is called Milligansghost and is, amazingly enough, not actually me."
So I'm the stupid one? ROFLOL! The joke is on you dude... Tell me, why is it that your alias is under that blog article, must be another ghost then...
Or is it that you're the one who doesn't know how to read posts/comments and how to interpret stuff???. Seeing your quoting-abilities in the blog post and your other comments here and in your other blog post I'm sure I know the answer to that...
MowGreen,
1) So now you're saying the opposite of what all other have claimed?
2) He was denied MVP, true. But how do you know it was because of the sponsor? Second, he wasn't denied now (until you people came along complaining with stuff which is entirly based upon what 'Gods' like that ghost thing and Sandi claim, together with even more twisting around and pulling things out of context)
3) Shows nicely how little you know about what you're talking about. Did you ever even researched one bit yourself? Or did you just copied stuff from google?
4) So what? re-read the terms of being an MVP. No-where it is stated that the award is or is not given to people who take some revenue of a program they've created. Stop being the smart-ass.
5) Same old song. Instead of copying that years-old one-liner, why don't you give something specific. If it is indeed an alternative Patchou would indeed take it.
6) so? what is your point?
Milligansghost,
For the record, I know you're not paperghost. My first comment on this blog post was not directed to you, obviously.
As for paperghost trying to "protect the net innocents from being exploited by the abusers of the internet", that is his good right and all hail to that. Only he should get his facts strait and not do as if he is the all knowing entity on this planet regarding Plus! and its sponsor, as he knows jack-shit about it (at least not enough to claim what he claims).
SubRath,
The thread was most likely deleted for other reasons than you think (and by other people than you think).
And it was very extremely predictable that someone would have had the reaction like you just did.
Paperghost,
Maybe because you do constanly generalize stuff? Even those innocent 10 year olds you're trying to protect can read that from your posts.
And those statements are based upon more facts than you ever will know.
Stick with what you know. And if you want to whine about Plus!, look things up yourself. You're so opposed to LOP in general that I bet you even don't know how their installers work or don't work. Or even at least knowing how their uninstaller work.
I'm not saying they ALL are good (as many times said, there are different ones), I'm saying you should AT LEAST do some research before making yourself rediculus and thinking you know all because you are MVP.
(and learn to read and quote properly without twisting around things or pulling things out of context)
"LMAO - and you seriously need to learn how to read. Because in case you hadn't noticed, the person above is called Milligansghost and is, amazingly enough, not actually me."
So I'm the stupid one? ROFLOL! The joke is on you dude... Tell me, why is it that your alias is under that blog article, must be another ghost then..."
Sorry, I can't actually reply this time because I don't actually understand what you've written.
Let me say it once more...slowly...so you understand. Milligansghost - a long time poster on this site - made a comment. You replied to him, and addressed your reply to me. This is because you saw "ghost" at the end of his username and presumed it was me. I pointed out that it was in fact, someone completely different. You won't get anywhere now by pretending anything different so don't bother.
In conclusion, please stop posting because you're not making any sense and your comedy gold has now officially dried up. Patchou no longer has his MVP and you no longer have anything worthwhile to cry about. If you want to tackle "generalisations", go tackle the generalisations from the mvp guy above (about no "porn ads" in messenger plus etc) that I just shot to pieces, or your own nonsensical attacks on "rogue antivirus applications" that LOP not only serves up adverts for, but installs an icon on the desktop for too. In case you can't find your posts, the savaging begins from here:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...5426221/
#208988
Enjoy!
Wow. What an "Oscar" performance of complete rubbish!
You have an opinion. One that doesn't makse sense. You're even worse than some of the kids calling people idiots and noobs.
This comments section is completely wasted with your "dribble".
Now go learn some security
msgplus losers owned again. im enjoying this
Lop it off :-P
LOL!
This has been almost as good as a NASCAR race! :D
Lop what off? The mind boggles 
Mind you, Oscar probably has LOP running his system. Good luck Oscar, because taking on this lot, you are going to need it.
PG FOR TEH WIN!!!!
Those idiots have blown this way out of proportion due to lack of understanding.
"He was denied MVP, true. But how do you know it was because of the sponsor? Second, he wasn't denied now (until you people came along complaining with stuff which is entirly based upon what 'Gods' like that ghost thing and Sandi claim, together with even more twisting around and pulling things out of context)"
How many times does this need to be explained; he received the award when it was not known by those who make the decisions that he is affiliated with (having an optional sponsor) this particular industry.
Once they got the full story on Patchou, they took action to revoke it because he wouldn't have received it in the first place if they knew.
It isn't about protesting, threats or complaining. A genuine mistake was made and put right.
If it is true he received it originally in 2004 and was removed, the reason it happened again is most likely because of change of staff. The current MVP lead (the person who has considerable input on who receives it) isn't the same one as back then.
Stop accusing other MVPs of causing this, they were merely stating their opinion. Their opinion hasn't influenced the decision to remove him.
PG = Win.
Fanbois = Fail.
Go eat turkey dinner and all hell breaks loose.
Oscar read PG's work on taking apart botnets and you will realize he makes things general for the yutz's like me whilst knowing his shit well and truely.
WOW i have learned more about addware in the last few minutes than
i ever wanted to know
To Mr Patchou's Friends
Tell him to go get a Real world job because i think if he had one in the first place he would not be in the crap right now
and to Teabag yes i mean you to :-P
Ok, since my previous attempt to post failed (page couldn't be opened) here i go again *sigh*.
You say you write about security risks then:
- How is an MVP status a security risk?
- How is this article about a security risk?
- Should i consider myself a security risk now too, since i (quotes from me) appeared on your website?
And last but not least: who are you to question Microsofts decision on awarding someone MVP status? To me this shows lack of respect.
I always thought MVPs were wise, friendly, helpful people...
[quote] ..but if you come around here with shovels, you better believe I'm going to chaingun your face to the floor and do a Riverdance on your impromptu grave. And steal your shoes[/quote]
Very friendly i must say, but since you leave me no other place to respond so be it. You could have just come over to our forums and discuss the issue with us instead of creating yet another media hype.
As for Sandi, if you read a bit more you would see that i already apologised for mistaken somebody else for her.
"You say you write about security risks then:
- How is an MVP status a security risk?
- How is this article about a security risk?
- Should i consider myself a security risk now too, since i (quotes from me) appeared on your website?"
Why do you keep going on about me saying I write about "security risks"? Where do I say this? And even if I *did*, how does that prevent me from choosing to write about security *news*? What a nonsensical argument.
If you actually bother to go back and read what I wrote, I said and I quote:
"I write about breaking security news and amazingly enough, this was considered breaking security news."
News. n-e-w-s. Not risks. R-i-s-k-s.
Guess what, this constitutes "news". Your strange obsession with making a point via the word "risk" is irrelevant. I write about anything and everything I feel like - if you don't like it, its not my problem.
As for "me knowing you'd apologised to Sandi", I haven't read her blog so I wouldn't know if you HAD apologised, or indeed if she's actually written anything about this yet. Sorry, I don't read every blog / forum post under the sun. At time of me writing the article, as far as I'm aware you hadn't apologised. If you had, like I said I wasn't aware of it. Either way, its pretty irrelevant - did you, or did you not, basically make something up out of thin air and state it at which point lots of other people likely jumped upon it as "fact"? If someone did that to me, frankly I couldn't care less if they apologised or not. At this point in time, all you are to me is some random name on a forum stating things that were completely, utterly inaccurate - its not my job to police your errors and spread the word post-event that, whoops, you made a mistake but hey its all better now. If you said something inaccurate, you have no-one to blame but yourself. I'm not going to chase random people across forums to ensure they "made it all better".
I'm a busy guy - so unless you yourself specifically emailed me with "I apologised to Sandi" because you (for some reason) thought I'd want to see it (much less know which random person from the inaccurate forum-fest you were), then my Neo-like brain wouldn't have just fished it out of the ether, sadly.
"And last but not least: who are you to question Microsofts decision on awarding someone MVP status? To me this shows lack of respect."
I'm an MVP, and as such, perfectly entitled to air my opinion on MVP related matters. This may shock you, but they don't impose some magical cone of censorship on you apart from NDA matters. As Patchou was listed on the MVP awards site and proclaimed it on his news section, this was not NDA information.
"I always thought MVPs were wise, friendly, helpful people..."
Don't come here lecturing me on being "friendly and helpful" when theres a bunch of immature clowns on that msgplus forum who replied to *reasoned*, measured statements and queries from people in the security community with comments about dangling their wang in peoples faces and lets not forget the guy who said "mvp stand for most valuable pieces of shit", amongst other pearls of wisdom. mm, charming.
They the best responses the msgplus community could come up with? Because I tell you what, they're the ones that linger in the mind. If anyone actually DID reply with anything beyond pathetic namecalling, I couldn't quote (or even remember) it.
Then the entire thread was mysteriously deleted. good job numerous people saved a copy, wasn't it?
Is the article this comments thread is linked to constructed *entirely* around the hopeless mis-statements and innacuracies emanating from the Msgplus forum, or not? Last time I checked, it was. So if people don't like it, they shouldn't have randomly come out with it, should they? There is absolutely nothing wrong with addressing complete fallacies, and the bonus about not doing it on your forum is I don't have to listen to some 18 year old kid who thinks he knows it all tell me about his wang-waving abilities. Bonus!
Oh, and lets not forget the COMPLETELY innacurate statements that become perpetuated by others from the msgplus community - such as your own "it was Sandi" (which was parroted by numerous others, without them bothering to check if she'd even written about this either) or that mvp guy (cookie something) who made a whole PILE of completely innacurate statements about the functionality of Lop - "doesn't serve porn ads"? wow, I'm informed by others in the security field that it was serving up pretty porny adultfriendfinder adverts yesterday - "Paperghost has written negative articles about msgplus for years"? wow, this is the first time i've EVER written about msgplus on this site - innacurate statements that become gospel fact simply because its said by a pro-patchou mvp who is unlikely to know much about the inner workings of Malware and Spyware on a day to day basis. At least, thats the impression I got from his mostly incorrect ramble regarding Lop.
I note as soon as that mvp guy said his piece, many impressionable kids from the msgplus forum - especially the guy who earlier on was talking about dangling his wang in someones face - jumped upon his "facts" as TEH ULTIMATE ASSKICKING OF STUPID NOOB MVPS, LOL.
With that in mind, why in gods name WOULD someone want to turn up on your forum and attempt to discuss *anything*?
after reading the above, im reminded of the bit in star wars where darth vader hurls luke skywalker in the hole (or whatever it is) and says "all too easy", before flushing him down some pipes.
pg may not be your father, but he IS the daddy.
"News. n-e-w-s. Not risks. R-i-s-k-s."
Very well then news...let me break some news to you: an MVP award has nothing to do with security whatsoever, nor does this article. You can't seriously believe just because someone has gotten that award that he is endangering or increasing your security.
"As for "me knowing you'd apologised to Sandi", I haven't read her blog.."
Since you are so freely quoting from the thread on our forums (why it was deleted i don't know either): you could have gotten it from there too..
"Don't come here lecturing me on being "friendly and helpful" when theres a bunch of immature clowns on that msgplus forum who replied to *reasoned*, measured statements and queries from people in the security community with comments about dangling their wang in peoples faces and lets not forget the guy who said "mvp stand for most valuable pieces of shit", amongst other pearls of wisdom. mm, charming."
Are all those people MVPs? No really they are not...but you are one so you should be the wisest. I'm also not sayin i approve of such language but hey what can i do about that?
"If anyone actually DID reply with anything beyond pathetic namecalling, I couldn't quote (or even remember) it."
Where did you see me call anyone names..you seem to only read what you want to.
"oh, and lets not forget the COMPLETELY innacurate statements that become perpetuated by others from the msgplus community - such as your own "it was Sandi""
Wasn't me :P
"or that mvp guy (cookie something) who made a whole PILE of completely innacurate statements about the functionality of Lop"
His statements are correct, he is not speaking about LOP in general but about the very much stripped down sponsor in Plus!
Final:
You say we aren't friendly, but tell me who threw all this into the public? Who got it onto other websites such as digg, slashdot etc.? Who was the first to cry about Patchou beeing awarded, the first to complain? I believe the one who started all that was you (Christopher Boyd aka Paperghost and TeMerc). How friendly is that? What we did was express our feelings on our own forums..and it would have stayed there had you not published it onhere.
wait, your last few sentences could be taken either way - are you saying I'm temerc? temerc, aka the guy who runs the below website and is nothing to do with me?
www.temerc.com ?
if i'm reading it wrong, fair enough - but if thats what you're claiming I'd love to know how you came to that conclusion!
"or that mvp guy (cookie something) who made a whole PILE of completely innacurate statements about the functionality of Lop"
His statements are correct, he is not speaking about LOP in general but about the very much stripped down sponsor in Plus! "
no - nonono, no. wrong. youre saying his statements are correct WHOLESALE, when in fact they are laced with errors in numerous places. as i already said, what about the other completely incorrect points he made regarding myself and the adverts served by msgplus, which you are completely overlooking and ignoring simply so you can focus on the stuff you claim he "got right"? "facts" which were seized upon by all the leet kids and used to insult and attack the security people who wasted their time posting anything on your forum? hey, lets....look at them again!
your mvp guy is NOT correct on a number of points - he said no porno ads. there were. he said i'd been writing about msgplus over the years. I hadn't. he also said some other stuff that was wrong, too. note that I said *mostly* inaccurate.
Think about this - the ONLY reason all those MVPs and other people from the security community ended up on your forum in the first place is precisely because of people like yourself jumping on Sandi and accusing her of all sorts. In other words, remove your initial forum boobery accusations (and those stated by others of a similar "boo, hiss to Sandi" nature) and they wouldn't have turned up. So play the "who did what" game first to justify (or not justify actions) all you want, because I can play that game too.
As for "who cried about it first", I don't end up on slashdot and digg and a whole bunch of other news sites every other week because I break news thats six months out of date. So big deal. This is a security NEWS site, not a security OLD HAT site. As for this:
"Are all those people MVPs? No really they are not...but you are one so you should be the wisest."
What does it matter if they're MVPs or not? They can say anything at all about people, even if its incorrect, on the basis that they're not MVPs and so its okay to do so? you might want to return that faulty logic from the shop you purchased it from because its not doing you any favours.
And whats all this "wisest" stuff? did i die overnight and turn into Yoda? You have a very strange notion of what an MVP is. they come from all walks of life and all dispositions - we dont all float round with zen togas on cultivating six foot long beards. I say what I want, how I want it. Don't like it, too bad.
"oh, and lets not forget the COMPLETELY innacurate statements that become perpetuated by others from the msgplus community - such as your own "it was Sandi""
Wasn't me :P"
Please, dispense with the semantics game already. Whether you said "it was sandi" word for word, or you said
"All this happend because, as far as my eyes can see, two MVPs (namely Sandi Hardmeier and Christopher Boyd) complained and threathened to withdraw themselves from re-evaluation if Patchou kept his MVP status"
or you said
"Those two did start it, ever heard of followers?"
or something else I haven't listed is irrelevant, because they all equate to the same thing - you made up some utter garbage about Sandi being "responsible" and put it online. Worse, others jumped upon it as "truth".
"What we did was express our feelings on our own forums..and it would have stayed there had you not published it onhere."
...so you can have a 3 or 4 page thread containing information that not only relates to myself and others that I know, but specifically addresses me in a number of places (including that emo-kids wonderful "w**ker* comment), and to top it off contains WOEFULLY INACCURATE INFORMATION that you yourself contributed to, and not expect me to offer a counterpoint?
Incorrect, you lose ten points.
"Very well then news...let me break some news to you: an MVP award has nothing to do with security whatsoever, nor does this article."
I beg to differ, because
a) an MVP award has everything to do with security when a program (Lop) that numerous members of the Security MVP community have issues with, directly contradicts the mission and outlook that someone working in the Security MVP field has and
b)this article DOES have something to do with security, because its on a security blog and its my security blog and I write on this security blog and it even has security in the title. I hope the lack of punctuation helped to drive this notion home.
"You can't seriously believe just because someone has gotten that award that he is endangering or increasing your security."
...why do you keep saying this? What are you talking about?
It has *nothing* to do with "endangering or increasing my security".
it has *everything* to do with Microsoft giving someone an award that actively profits from a product that has an amazingly chequered history and NOT in a good way.
You cannot have an MVP program that simultaneously has a Security program dedicated to removing and creating solutions for preventing sp/ad/malware, the key things that Microsoft has a vested interest in protecting their userbase from whether "optional" or not, and meanwhile hands out MVP awards in another category to someone that has actively profited from that very field over the past few years, and with a long, long history of heel dragging, not-particularly brilliant practices and of course the previously-without-repercussion actions of the people from the forums who would jump upon any slight whiff of criticism for their hero Patchou's product.
If you can't understand this fact, then I've nothing more to say because there's nothing more I can do about it. So I'll leave the final word to Microsoft, if you still have an issue with this you'd probably be better off taking it up with them instead:
"Cyril Paciullo was awarded with MVP status this year on the basis of his technical expertise and strong community contribution. However, his active MVP Award status was revoked as soon as the extent of the connection between his application and spyware was made apparent to the MVP programme," the company said in a statement.
Wow what a bunch of ****!
Anywho just a few points:
Oscar,
Quote: "And Sandi being the best source on the matter of Plus!??? Excuse me... did she programmed it? Does she even know how to investigate programs in a proper way? I guess not, why? Because I've seen her accusing Plus! of all sorts of stuff. And the stuff she did not know was written down on her pages in such a suggestive manner that it was very hard to even think she meant to say that she didn't know something." /quote
Well suppose we cant argue with your level of detail in that, I mean the way you accurately describe "stuff" it must be right? How can you accuse people of generalisation, when you use the word "stuff" so often?
Quote: "Or even at least knowing how their uninstaller work.
I'm not saying they ALL are good (as many times said, there are different ones), I'm saying you should AT LEAST do some research before making yourself rediculus and thinking you know all because you are MVP." /quote
Do you even know PG? have you even read the stuff he is involved in? Clearly not! If you had then you would know that he is more than capable of understanding the inner workings of LOP.
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Sunshine,
Quote: "And last but not least: who are you to question Microsofts decision on awarding someone MVP status? To me this shows lack of respect." /quote
And who are you to question their decision to remove the MVP? Touche!
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The long and short of it is MS giveth and MS taketh away, the rantings of a few security professionals would in no way influence a decision from MS, if it would I would have PG and Sandi demanding the MS release windows source code and make it free for everyone.
p.s. hello all, been a while 
Oscar wrote: "re-read the terms of being an MVP. No-where it is stated that the award is or is not given to people who take some revenue of a program they've created."
MVP status is awarded to the most active online community experts for their technical expertise and *voluntary* willingness to share their experience and commitment to helping others realize their potential within Microsoft technical communities.
Source: https://mvp.support.microsoft.com...m/
mvpawardintro
"...so you can have a 3 or 4 page thread containing information that not only relates to myself and others that I know, but specifically addresses me in a number of places (including that emo-kids wonderful "w**ker* comment), and to top it off contains WOEFULLY INACCURATE INFORMATION that you yourself contributed to, and not expect me to offer a counterpoint?"
Ever realise my responce in that thread could be a counterpoint to you publicly complaining about Patchou's MVP award? A counterpoint to the whole media circus you created.
How do you think i got to believe that Microsoft was forced to take away this status because of "friendly" MVPs like you? Hey lookie Microsoft even admits it:..was made apparent to the MVP programme...
Yep made apparent (complained about) by guys like you. I don't believe for one minute that Microsoft did not know about the optional sponsor when they granted the award..surely they investigate before granting right? It's the threaths and public schandalising you started that forced them to revoke it.
"the ONLY reason all those MVPs and other people from the security community ended up on your forum in the first place"
I don't have a problem with MVPs showing up on the forums discussing stuff that has been said. I do however have a problem with guys like you who seek public attention by publishing it outside where it originated.
"remove your initial forum boobery accusations"
I did, didn't i? I edited my post and i even apologised where i was wrong. I don't have the powers to undo what anyone else said so don't shuv that on me.
Oh hey saying she did it is still not the same as "All this happend because, as far as my eyes can see, two MVPs..."
Also note the "asfar as my eyes can see"
I apologised to Sandi as thats where i was wrong, i do however still stand behind everything else i said. And no i wasn't sayin you are TeMerc...i was sayin you and TeMerc are to blame for the whole media circus (you mostly).
Oscar wrote: "re-read the terms of being an MVP. No-where it is stated that the award is or is not given to people who take some revenue of a program they've created."
Perhaps you should re-read it: "MVP status is awarded to the most active online community experts for their technical expertise and *voluntary* willingness to share their experience and commitment to helping others realize their potential within Microsoft technical communities."
Source: https://mvp.support.microsoft.com...m/
mvpawardintro
WTF??!
Disneyland!
"Ever realise my responce in that thread could be a counterpoint to you publicly complaining about Patchou's MVP award? A counterpoint to the whole media circus you created."
All the same, an accurate response would be nice. One actually grounded in truth even better. Because they were neither, I really couldn't care less.
"How do you think i got to believe that Microsoft was forced to take away this status because of "friendly" MVPs like you? Hey lookie Microsoft even admits it:..was made apparent to the MVP programme..."
....made apparent to them by many, many security MVPs (and MVPs from other disciplines, too - I believe there's even an MVP from the Windows Messenger MVP category who's been stating HIS case against Patchous product here for the past few days too. ).
Sorry love, that's what we're HERE for - to keep the integrity and trustworthyness of the MVP program intact.
What, you still don't get it that all of those security people arriving on your forum with MVP status complained about this too? That many more besides who didn't post on your forum also complained? Bottom line is that MS would have removed his award the moment all those MVPs got wind of it and started to do something about it internally, whether I (and numerous others) wrote about it or not. However, as it was not NDA information being covered, myself and numerous others DID write about it, such is our right to do so.
As a security MVP I also have every right to complain about this issue - don't like it? Tough.
"I don't believe for one minute that Microsoft did not know about the optional sponsor when they granted the award..surely they investigate before granting right?"
This might come as a massive shock to you, but you likely don't know anything about how the MVP program operates - and in this case it appears that someone did NOT know about it when they granted the award. They aren't handed out by six guys in a room that know everything about every MS subject under the sun. There's a myriad of divisions and skillsets, and each one is responsible for its own little corner. With that being the case, I can well believe that someone versed in IM but not in security, or the security-related issues and ramifications of giving Patchou MVP status, could have done so without being aware of the Lop issue.
"I don't have a problem with MVPs showing up on the forums discussing stuff that has been said. I do however have a problem with guys like you who seek public attention by publishing it outside where it originated."
Hey, were you one of a group of people who wrote complete nonsense about myself and Sandi? Oh, you were? Whoops, too bad. You might want to think before you hit that post button next time. Don't mention my name in connection with stuff you pulled out of the sky and expect me not to say something about it.
As it turns out, me going to your forum to "debate it with you" would have been entirely fruitless, because of the fact that your trigger happy mods would have removed the thread altogether, thus wasting my valuable time. Speaking of which...
"remove your initial forum boobery accusations"
I did, didn't i? I edited my post..."
...I wouldn't have known at the time, because the thread was deleted. See above.
"All this happend because, as far as my eyes can see, two MVPs...
Also note the "asfar as my eyes can see"
They can't see very far, because you were completely incorrect. Trying to justify your incorrectness, and the spread of that incorrectness to others who jumped upon it with a lame disclaimer of "as far as my eyes can see" or words to that effect is a nonsense.
As far as you could see? Really? How far DID you see? Did you actually go out and read the original articles about this? Did you? You presumably claim you do, because that's what you must be referring to when you say "as far as my eyes can see" (unless you were simply going off second or third hand information, which would be even more laughable) but I wonder if you actually read them at all, because if you DID, you wouldn't have been accusing Sandi of something she didn't do, would you?
So i can only assume your "all seeing eyes" actually just did a fair bit of article skimming. Considering I've had to point out to you numerous times in this comments thread that I said (for example) "security news" and not "security risks" until you finally understood and aknowledged this(when this is actually stated in the text of the main article), I can hardly say I'm surprised.
"I do however have a problem with guys like you who seek public attention by publishing it outside where it originated."
Everytime I try to point out the idiocy of this sentence, it gets to me and I can't.
...I think I have PG in the lead by about six thousand points, anyone else keeping score?
What a bunch of fucking idiots.
I know people that have posted on the "wonderful" msgplus forums and even though they said they didn't agree with the Lop sponsor deal, they liked the program AND would happily pay for it in place of the sponsor program.
know what they did? DELETED HIS ACCOUNT!
aww, poor little kids having a big old cry because FINALLY they're being exposed for the non-truth bandwagon jumping losers they are, and they suddenly don't have access to a lock / delete thread button?
looks that way to me, considering the piss-poor amounts of supposed "logic" on display here.
"I don't have a problem with MVPs showing up on the forums discussing stuff that has been said. I do however have a problem with guys like you who seek public attention by publishing it outside where it originated."
wow, here was me thinking "public attention" had already been gained by the ORIGINAL ARTICLE, that by the way had NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR LAME ASS FORUM POSTS.
i can feel my capacity for stupid increasing every time I read some of these comments.
also
"A counterpoint to the whole media circus you created."
...exqueeze me? how does PG posting something on his personal blog about an issue that he sees fit to write about constitute him "creating a media circus"? Or are you saying nobody is allowed to post on subjects you happen to dislike on their own personal websites now?
What a wonderfully retarded piece of logic.
forgive me for being thick but if news sites picked up and ran the story from the various blog postings, that rather contributes to the idea that there was something worth reading about here in the first place, doesn't it?
HOLY SHIT!!!!!
I'm really PG??????
Why didn't anyone tell me??
God you guys just suck!!
Now I have to go an change all my goddam peronsal info at the bank, my social security card, credit cards...oh man!!!!
Oh.......AND I have to develope an English accent so I sound like John Lennon to boot. AND move from Phoenix AZ to PGland in UK. (I hate rainy weather)
Who's gonna pay for all this? Maybe Patchou will give me some of his ill gotten gains?
TeMerc:
http://temerc.com/
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com...C6-
D598A22CBF49
Paperghost:
http://www.vitalsecurity.org/
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com...e1-
25d0121c6c85
What a complete and total IDIOT you are SUNSHINE - wake up you moron.
So this Oscar has a reading comprehension issue. Let's see if we can make this as simple as possible so Oscar can comprehend
If the author of the program would like to be considered for MVP status, then the author has to change to a more savory means of raising revenue for the time spent developing it.
What is so hard to understand about that ?
Got it, or does someone have to explain that to you, word by word ?
Everthing in the points I posted are factual statements. Now go to your room ... NO SOUP FOR YOU !
Oh and don't forget the dodgy raincoat and the occasional lampost TeMerc, that's if you really wanna be PG
Btw, I forgot to say in my previous rant about LOP - I did NOT click on the bundle install and yet I still got it - any Patchou lover care to explain that to me?
Form what i have seen in the last few days This has turned from weather Patchou shuold have MVP
status to is Adware a bad thing to be honest i think any adware is 1 to many Patchou's Friends may say But you have to click the Box to allow it,
Sorry thats not the problem the problem is that its the Thin end of the Wedge if we as end users Say Ok fine let the guy have Adware on his product sooner or later someone Else is going to say Well they allowed Patchou to get away with it why not me :-(
Sorry people Patchou maybe a Saint in your eyes but in the end its about Profit and his profit could be my/our loss
I want to respond...I really do...
But my brain exploded at about the midway point.
So instead of anything thought out and insightful. Does anyone else have flashes of dancing banana's running through their heads while reading some of these posts?
[quote]I'm really PG??????
Why didn't anyone tell me??
............[/quote]
*LOLOL* Temerc
Didn't you know?
jahewi :-D
I think the problem here is paperghost is engaged in a debate with kids that don't have a job, therefore, they probably have never paid for anything without doing it with somebody else's money. Like dad, mom, or a grandparent.
So they think that they are contributing in some way, shape, form, or fashion. By downloading crapware onto a computer that they probably didn't pay for. So I don't see how you would ever convince them that what they are doing is just lining the pockets of a programmer. That really doesn't give a shit and about them. I notice when he was given the award. He could not wait to post in this forum. Since this controversy started, all I see is a bunch of lackeys sent out to do his bidding.
Paul
boom headshot!
[QUOTE]Very friendly i must say, but since you leave me no other place to respond so be it. You could have just come over to our forums and discuss the issue with us instead of creating yet another media hype.[/QUOTE]
Why? So the thread can be deleted again? No thanks.
[QUOTE]Final:
You say we aren't friendly, but tell me who threw all this into the public? Who got it onto other websites such as digg, slashdot etc.? Who was the first to cry about Patchou beeing awarded, the first to complain? I believe the one who started all that was you (Christopher Boyd aka Paperghost and TeMerc). How friendly is that? What we did was express our feelings on our own forums..and it would have stayed there had you not published it onhere.[/QUOTE]
Bullshit. Every single time Patchou has been critised Patchou's Posse has ridden out and posted their abusive responses to various forums or blogs they do not participate in therwise. It has been no different this time.
Three words here to those that don't agree with what we are saying .....
FREEDOM OF SPEECH
There was some good valid points in this comment section. It is a shame some had to destroy it.
As for the person in question. He was quick to blog about the MVP award. But where is he now? Just seems funny.
You can say he is on holiday as much as you like. It still doesn't justify no word from him when he can be quick to blog it.
A word from him would go down better then people from his forum trying to back him up.
"Ever realise my responce in that thread could be a counterpoint to you publicly complaining about Patchou's MVP award? A counterpoint to the whole media circus you created."
Media Circus??? WTF? There would be no so called media circus if you idiots actually read Sandi's and PG's blogs, read their posts and weren't a bunch of whiney emo babies who like to have their mommy and daddie's computers trashed by shitware. But then again you don't have to deal with the damage it does. Your parents do.
(Thank God for VMware or i'd still be playing whacka-mole with LOP.)
TeMerc = PG = Milligansghost = a show of how little intelligence you have.
God you are dumb.
kudos PG for handling this in a thoughtful well laid out manner.
me and my wife are both PG!
[QUOTE]You can say he is on holiday as much as you like. It still doesn't justify no word from him when he can be quick to blog it.[/QUOTE]
He may be on holidays but I have personally seen him marked as "online" on the msghelp forums since this entire storm broke.
Patchou has always stayed silent (except for very rare exceptions) when his supporters have run riot.
He also stayed silent a couple of years ago after his last "I'm an MVP" announcement was shown not to be true. Even today I get emails saying "but Patchou was an MVP in 2004". He was not.
No matter what Patchou does in life, it will always be overshadowed by his spyware peddling. I'm sure the $2000+ USD he makes from it each day are comforting him atm. In the famous words of Nelson Muntz: HAHA
Ok have you guys stopped throwing Insults yet!!!
time for a reasoned debate on the merits or otherwise of Adware/sponsorware
im not very net Savvy and would like to see at least some logic in here,
To the people who have supported Patchou on the Logic front and this is only my Opinion you understand Paperghost is ahead on points
So please can we have a little sanity ......
Hi Sandi,
"He may be on holidays but I have personally seen him marked as "online" on the msghelp forums since this entire storm broke."
You and me and I suspect many others saw that. I asked them that and from that I got the "holiday" excuse.
Thanks for letting me know anyway. Much appriciated.
The only reference I find to a holiday in the forums is Patchou's announcement that he was going away for a week, said announcement being made on 16 September...
http://www.msghelp.net/
showthrea...29951#pid729951
It's easier to claim ignorance and let the mob do work in your name. Than to step in and do the work yourself...or...to control the mob.
Ignorance is bliss they say, well i for one am waiting for Patchou to post in here somehow i doubt he will but i will wait ...
He won't post in here Milli, due to the fact that he knows what sort of reaction he would get, unless of course he brings along his adoring fan club with him for protection
Sunshine wrote: "You can't seriously believe just because someone has gotten that award that he is endangering or increasing your security."
Yes, I can. MVPs are given access to a lot of non-public areas within MS and the information available there has a tremendous potential to help the MVP do his job more effectively. If that job is helping people it is a good thing. If that job is making one's primary living from the distribution of adware it is not.
To be blunt, I would not want someone who did that to be lurking in the corner during a discussion of the most effective way to deal with, say, C2-LOP.
Incidentally, to all of those that (for some stupid reason) "blamed" temerc for the supposed "media circus", I went back and looked at everything said about this so far. The only place I could see Temerc say *anything* about potentially wthdrawing his status because of this was in the first few comments of my blog post.
Yeah, I can see MS listening to the wolves at the door because someone threatened to revoke their MVP status on the basis of a blog comment.
...lmao.
"Let me say it once more...slowly...so you understand. Milligansghost - a long time poster on this site - made a comment. You replied to him, and addressed your reply to me. This is because you saw "ghost" at the end of his username and presumed it was me. I pointed out that it was in fact, someone completely different. You won't get anywhere now by pretending anything different so don't bother."
Are you realy that stupid? Since when are comments on blog posts ALWAYS a reply to the existing comment right above???? Even the smallest child could see that my first comment on this page was clearly directed to you paperghost.
I didn't quoted Milligansghost what so ever either.
And before you make yourself even more rediculus with a reply like:
"Sorry, I can't actually reply this time because I don't actually understand what you've written."
you yourself quote people too if you want to comment on their comment. I and everyone else do the same. So don't play the "I don't understand you" crap and grow up.
Then stuff you repled to Sunshine:
"Don't come here lecturing me on being "friendly and helpful" when theres a bunch of immature clowns on that msgplus forum who replied to *reasoned*, measured statements and queries from people in the security community with comments about dangling their wang in peoples faces and lets not forget the guy who said "mvp stand for most valuable pieces of shit", amongst other pearls of wisdom. mm, charming."
Those people aren't MVPs (which doesn't makes it right of course and which Sunshine also said so don't pinpoint on that and do as if that was the point), you are an MVP. And from MVPs some profesionalism and maturity is expected. That is Sunshine's point, in case you missed it.
"If anyone actually DID reply with anything beyond pathetic namecalling, I couldn't quote (or even remember) it."
There were also people replying in a civilized manner. Have you got a selective memory? Or only conveniently doing as if you didn't saw those replies?
"Then the entire thread was mysteriously deleted. good job numerous people saved a copy, wasn't it?"
Only 1 guy saved it and made it public again. A member of those people you call pathetic. He making a backup of it and making it public again clearly shows there are mature people who do not want to avoid discussion. And you knowing that one made a backup goes against your "If anyone actually DID reply with anything beyond pathetic namecalling, I couldn't quote (or even remember) it."
"wow, this is the first time i've EVER written about msgplus on this site - innacurate statements that become gospel fact simply because its said by a pro-patchou mvp who is unlikely to know much about the inner workings of Malware and Spyware on a day to day basis. At least, thats the impression I got from his mostly incorrect ramble regarding Lop."
That might be so (that you've written for the first time about Plus!), but what you just said is exactly what others (pro-Plus!) have been saying for years: statements that become gospel fact simply because its said by a mvp. It is not because Sandi, or you, or whoever else says something that it is completely accurate. However you people do like it is. You might know a lot about security (I might hope), but on this specific subject of the Plus! sponsor your information is NOT accurate. And it starts by constantly comparing the sponsor package with the worse level of package that LOP has. Not only you make this serious fault, many people do. And the behaviour on certain security forums is just the same: even if generalizations are made, stuff misinterpreted or whatever, because an MVP has said it, it must be true.
"wait, your last few sentences could be taken either way - are you saying I'm temerc? temerc, aka the guy who runs the below website and is nothing to do with me?"
Djeezus Paperghost, is this the level of you inteligence? I make spelling and grammar mistakes in English all the time and even I can read stuff for what it says. And the reply from TeMerc on this is even more rediculus (or... shows even more how you people like to read what you want instead of reading what it states. All you constantly do is twisting things around so they suite you. Again, you show nothing to me which justifies your MVP status at all!
"...which you are completely overlooking and ignoring simply so you can focus on the stuff you claim he "got right"?"
Not saying Sunshine did or didn't, but you do exactly the same, constantly. And to make matters worse, you even seem to know it.
"...and with a long, long history of heel dragging, not-particularly brilliant practices and of course the previously-without-repercussion actions of the people from the forums who would jump upon any slight whiff of criticism for their hero Patchou's product."
Oh, so now you're an Patchou-expert too. Do you know him personally? I bet you don't.
@Drunken Sailer
"Oscar read PG's work on taking apart botnets and you will realize he makes things general for the yutz's like me whilst knowing his shit well and truely."
I'm not questioning (much) PaperGhost's other work, which I stated several times in other comments btw!. I'm questionning his 'knowledge' and maturity on this specific subject (his maturity which certainly does not belong to an MVP either).
@KiD
"Well suppose we cant argue with your level of detail in that, I mean the way you accurately describe "stuff" it must be right? How can you accuse people of generalisation, when you use the word "stuff" so often?"
stuff aka things. Look it up into a dictionnary. And also, you know Sandi's page too, read it, I'm not going to quote every piece of text I meant with "stuff" for sole purpose of keeping these replies short and to the point.
@Caz
"Btw, I forgot to say in my previous rant about LOP - I did NOT click on the bundle install and yet I still got it - any Patchou lover care to explain that to me?"
If you did not clicked on the "I give my support, install sponsor" option then the sponsor will NOT be installed, EVER. This was so in the past and this will be so in the future. Either you are talking about another program and not Messenger Plus!, or either you're simply making this up.
"Three words here to those that don't agree with what we are saying .....FREEDOM OF SPEECH"
ROFLOL, since when does 'freedom of speech' means the same as 'agreeing'?
'Freedom of speech' exists exactly because of the opposite of what you mean: the right to express DIFFERENT opinions.
@little eagle, Drunken Sailor
"I think the problem here is paperghost is engaged in a debate with kids that don't have a job, therefore, they probably have never paid for anything without doing it with somebody else's money. Like dad, mom, or a grandparent."
and
"if you idiots actually read Sandi's and PG's blogs, read their posts and weren't a bunch of whiney emo babies who like to have their mommy and daddie's computers trashed by shitware. But then again you don't have to deal with the damage it does. Your parents do."
I have a job since more than 10 years. I own several computers which are clean as a wistle If I may add. And I deal with 'damages' and need to clean stuff on other people's computer, caused by true spyware or virusses, on an almost daily basis too, thank you very much...
This idiot also read Sandi's and Paperghost's blogs and frequent certain security forums. All just as many others, probably including you.
@Drunken Sailor
"TeMerc = PG = Milligansghost = a show of how little intelligence you have."
= a show of how little you actualy read and can interpret.
Read the first two replies in this post, what I said to PaperGhost goes for you too apparently.
"kudos PG for handling this in a thoughtful well laid out manner."
So name calling is now a part of what MVPs do and is part of a well laid out manner? nice...
(note: I'm not saying I don't flame, I do too, but I'm not so ignorant/immature to to make a reply like that)
@spywaresucks
"I'm sure the $2000+ USD he makes from it each day are comforting him atm."
Again such a common, but in all aspects complete rubbish, reply from the anti-Plus! side.
@Sandi (the most mature one on the anti-Plus! side IMO)
"The only reference I find to a holiday in the forums is Patchou's announcement that he was going away for a week, said announcement being made on 16 September..."
He was away for much longer than a week though. Although he has came back before all this. However, that doesn't mean:
"It's easier to claim ignorance and let the mob do work in your name. Than to step in and do the work yourself...or...to control the mob."(dixit aquias)
as that is yet another common but totally rubbish reply on such matters. As you (Sandi) has said, he never said much in discussions like this because he knows they will always end in name calling and what not and both sides will always stay on their own side (of course). However, lately, and I mean starting from way before all this MVP shit, he isn't much online either. Calling the reason ignorance and what not (pointing towards aquias, milligansghost and Caz) is just plain stupid.
@Oldfrog
There is nothing in the private areas that Patchou could abuse to "make his primary living better", even if he wanted to.
This said, Patchou has access to even more 'private areas', if you wanna call it that, than MVPs. This because of his relationship with MS and people from MS.
I can't be bothered repeating myself like a parrot by going through the already done-to-death old ground above, so I'll leave it to someone else to wade through. However:
"There is nothing in the private areas that Patchou could abuse to "make his primary living better", even if he wanted to.
This said, Patchou has access to even more 'private areas', if you wanna call it that, than MVPs. This because of his relationship with MS and people from MS."
......what an absolute pile of nonsensical drivel.
how on earth do *you* know what MVPs are given access to behind the scenes? Someone with an active involvement with spy/ad/malware could easily take advantage of the numerous pieces of information and discussion in areas reserved for people on the MVP program.
Second, "Patchou has access to even more 'private areas', if you wanna call it that, than MVP" - again, how can you make that comparison when you don't know anything about the kinds of things we have access to?
......if anyone wants me, I'll be rolling my eyes from here to eternity. This is exactly the kind of fanboy-ish, completely inaccurate garbage that is going to make me completely ignore anything and everything else you posted above, because the fact that your seemingly most showstopping, important point is also your most incorrect isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
Ok let me get this Right Someone is claiming that anyone who will not support Patchou is ignorant or is it they are ignorant because they dont like Adware in any form, Or maybe they are ignorant because they have an Opinion other than his/hers,
Now as i have stated on here im not Net savvy, but when i see My Man cursing Some Adware/spyware/Malware i do wonder If adware is so good and allows people who would not Earn money from their ideas in any other way ? Why are so many net users Against it
Ok then Oscar,
What if the rolls were reversed.
You was a security expert and we are part of MSN Plus's fanclub. We was using the tool which contains adware.
You always report on new things. Adware and what about this? As a security expert what would you do when someone got the MVP for using adware on their software?
Oscar...here is why everyone is pissed about LOP being bundled.
Google is your friend
Now, you can claim (as I recall someone did) that you can't believe everything you read on Google. But a quick look at some of the names regarding LOP as a massive threat
Symantec, F-Secure, Prevx, Spywareinfo, Pest Patrol (e-trust), dslreports...
I don't use msgplus! And I could care less if Patchou makes enough to retire and purchase an island off of the coast of Bermuda.
But the fact remains that he is working with an application that has a very colored past. And one that has done more than it's fair share of damage to various systems. There ARE more reputable ways to make a living off of his program.
And given this whole debate, if Patchou hadn't bundled his application with LOP, I don't believe a single person would have batted their eyes at his MVP status.
and there aquias you have hit the nail Firmly on the head,
Its not that he did Add Lop to his bundle its should he have added it at all....
@Paperghost
"how on earth do *you* know what MVPs are given access to behind the scenes?
...
again, how can you make that comparison when you don't know anything about the kinds of things we have access to?"
How can you assume I don't know what MVPs has access too? Do you know me? I think not...
I perfectly know in detail what MVPs has access to.
@AndyAtHull
"Ok then Oscar, What if the rolls were reversed.
You was a security expert and we are part of MSN Plus's fanclub. We was using the tool which contains adware. You always report on new things. Adware and what about this? As a security expert what would you do when someone got the MVP for using adware on their software?"
If someone got the award, I would check the latest version of the software out. But I would stick to facts and not drag generalizations and what not into this to use them as arguments against it.
As expert I would know there are different kinds of adware. And not claim that every adware is bad or generalize every aspect of adware, spyware, virus, whatever on one big pile of malware.
And eventhough the sponsor comes from Lop, I would also know that Lop has improved a lot since many years back, since I keep myself updated on their latest changes.
As an expert I would keep a close eye on it, but if MS decided to give him the award for his programming knowledge and achievements and award him for the support he has given during the last year, the popularity of Messenger he has boosted, etc, I don't think I would object the current award.
Maybe I would object his nomination for the next year (with facts, not hear-say), but before he has given the award.. not shouting out loud after he has recieved it and certainly not with generalized arguments or with stuff which isn't even true. Threathing MS to refuse my award because he has been given an award would be low too.
@aquias
Yes Lop has a name of being bad. But the thing is that a Lop package can come in different forms (or levels of threat if you like). The fact is that the sponsor of Plus! is the lowest form and even that has been stripped down. And there lies the problem, not many people know this or want to accept this fact. Even on the Lop pages itself they clearly state the different levels of packages. And if you investigate a little further, you'll also see that Lop has removed/quit distributing their worsed level of adware/spyware.
"But the fact remains that he is working with an application that has a very colored past."
Exactly: _past_..... and even in that _past_ the package Patchou has choosen was not to be compared with the packages you all (and I also!) object to.
"How can you assume I don't know what MVPs has access too? Do you know me? I think not...
I perfectly know in detail what MVPs has access to."
Are you an MVP? If not, someone is breaking their NDA agreement. At which point, you'd better hand me back that shovel before you dig yourself into a deeper hole.
@Caz
"Btw, I forgot to say in my previous rant about LOP - I did NOT click on the bundle install and yet I still got it - any Patchou lover care to explain that to me?"
If you did not clicked on the "I give my support, install sponsor" option then the sponsor will NOT be installed, EVER. This was so in the past and this will be so in the future. Either you are talking about another program and not Messenger Plus!, or either you're simply making this up.
*This was so in the past* Oh I think not, ask Paperghost or Andy, they will tell you exactly how long ago i had LOP on my system.
*Either you are talking about another programme and not Messenger Plus!, or either you're simply making this up* I think I'm so not making it up Oscar, or may I call you The Grouch, due to the fact, that toolbars/search engines and also icons do not magically appear on my system or on my desktop.
For the record, I am extremely careful about what is installed on my system and refuse to click on anything I do not understand or like the look off.
When I did have Messenger Plus on my computer, I can assure you that I did not click on the button to install the Sponsor programme.
As previously stated, I wouldn't touch Messenger Plus with a bargepole unless it was to shove it deep in a hole or to the bottom of the ocean.
[QUOTE]Are you an MVP? If not, someone is breaking their NDA agreement. At which point, you'd better hand me back that shovel before you dig yourself into a deeper hole.[/QUOTE
There is only one name that comes to mind that 1) is an MVP 2) is a MsgPlus supporter 3) has corresponded with me and I replied.
The spelling and grammatical errors are also familiar.
Does your blog record IP addresses by any chance?
Clearly a biscuit.
Yep, this site records all IP addresses. Depending on the circumstances, I'm happy to compare notes when needed.
Very cool. I archive all emails sent and received and have a folder especially for emails about Messenger Plus going back years, one copy archived to a server on one site and a 2nd backup burned to CDs and locked in a safe on another (you know what they say - always have two backups stored on two different sites). Therefore, I'm not particularly concerned with being accused of making "offensive" replies to "extremely polite" emails when I have the originals still to hand
Good plan that Sandi i have no doubt that some of Those polite Emails were anything but, im guessing to the normal run of insults abuse and threats .....
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