I'd post this over at Sadly, No! in their latest Malkin thread. Unfortunately their spam bots won't let me post because I used too many links to try and out Annie and I haven't been able to get them to let me post yet.

Take a look at this google search.* Notice themole usually only links to Malkin's information (more on that later) and uses substantially the same post at every website. Killthebitch's post last night was from the same guy (homepage is themole.net). In other words, someone did a technorati search and spammed the same shit everywhere that was talking about it.

Compare it to a google search of Malkin's address. You'll get five blogs (three more than with technorati) which all link back to one blog, none of which are of any import in the left blogosphere; one random yahoo in a DU thread; a post by the above mole at a right wing blog; and a profile of Malkin at this site (does not directly link to Malkin's info).


I'd post this over at Sadly, No! in their latest Malkin thread. Unfortunately their spam bots won't let me post because I used too many links to try and out Annie and I haven't been able to get them to let me post yet.

Take a look at this google search.* Notice themole usually only links to Malkin's information (more on that later) and uses substantially the same post at every website. Killthebitch's post last night was from the same guy (homepage is themole.net). In other words, someone did a technorati search and spammed the same shit everywhere that was talking about it.

Compare it to a google search of Malkin's address. You'll get five blogs (three more than with technorati) which all link back to one blog, none of which are of any import in the left blogosphere; one random yahoo in a DU thread; a post by the above mole at a right wing blog; and a profile of Malkin at this site (does not directly link to Malkin's info).


And that last site is what themole went all over the internet pasting a link to (and I'd be willing to bet the DU poster and the blogs probably followed a link from the mole to get Malkin's address). Here's the funny thing about that site. Go take look around it's "Rogues Gallery," go to H, for instance, and click on infamous animal fucker Neal Horsley's name. Why gee! An address and phone number! Look around at more profiles and you'll notice that they post such information for just about everybody they have a profile on. Further, the site indicates that the profile has been up since 2004 and it looks like the addresses and phone numbers have been updated periodically.


And that last site is what themole went all over the internet pasting a link to (and I'd be willing to bet the DU poster and the blogs probably followed a link from the mole to get Malkin's address). Here's the funny thing about that site. Go take look around it's "Rogues Gallery," go to H, for instance, and click on infamous animal fucker Neal Horsley's name. Why gee! An address and phone number! Look around at more profiles and you'll notice that they post such information for just about everybody they have a profile on. Further, the site indicates that the profile has been up since 2004 and it looks like the addresses and phone numbers have been updated periodically.


So it looks like

The mob continued its nasty work. Private personal information about Malkin and her family started showing up on websites: her home address, Google pictures of her home, profiles of family, her private home phone number — it all started circulating on the Internet. Outrage at the supposed breach of privacy issued in . . . the deliberate and malicious breach of privacy.

was basically one person, who may have been a wingnut plant" (Though Auguste only states that there was a wingnut plant(s), not that the spammer was one) linking to a website that had her personal info up before this all happened, and five bloggers who bit.

Fever swamp my ass.

*In re the 9,710 results. It looks like one post on one website is responsible for 99.99999% of hits 71 - 628 (where google stops giving results).


So it looks like

The mob continued its nasty work. Private personal information about Malkin and her family started showing up on websites: her home address, Google pictures of her home, profiles of family, her private home phone number — it all started circulating on the Internet. Outrage at the supposed breach of privacy issued in . . . the deliberate and malicious breach of privacy.

was basically one person, who may have been a wingnut plant" (Though Auguste only states that there was a wingnut plant(s), not that the spammer was one) linking to a website that had her personal info up before this all happened, and five bloggers who bit.

Fever swamp my ass.

*In re the 9,710 results. It looks like one post on one website is responsible for 99.99999% of hits 71 - 628 (where google stops giving results).


Sorry about the multiple posts, but wouldn't let me post because of, well, to many links.


Sorry about the multiple posts, but wouldn't let me post because of, well, to many links.


I almost forgot Take a look at how many right wing blogs (incuding everybodies favorite deranged racists at Nicedoggie) reproduced those kids contact information on their fromt pages compared to what happened on the left, where some yahoo basically cut and pasted a link in comments.)


I almost forgot Take a look at how many right wing blogs (incuding everybodies favorite deranged racists at Nicedoggie) reproduced those kids contact information on their fromt pages compared to what happened on the left, where some yahoo basically cut and pasted a link in comments.)


Another blooger provides a link to that same Malkin profile and themole needlessly spams her comments

Not that it means anything, but there is a themole that posts at freerepublic


Another blooger provides a link to that same Malkin profile and themole needlessly spams her comments

Not that it means anything, but there is a themole that posts at freerepublic


Another blooger provides a link to that same Malkin profile and themole needlessly spams her comments

Not that it means anything, but there is a themole that posts at freerepublic


Another blooger provides a link to that same Malkin profile and themole needlessly spams her comments

Not that it means anything, but there is a themole that posts at freerepublic


Gravatar This is very interesting. And smells very fishy. Especially since Malkin was complaining about her addy being "plastered" across the internets at 9pm Wednesday (not sure the timezone, but that's the timestamp on her post). Very weird.

Gavin of Sadly, No! is looking into the ISP address of the commenter who posted Malkin's details over there ... I sent him the ISP of the 'killthebitch' who did it here. Will keep you updated if I hear anything more. I expect Sadly, No! will too.


Gravatar This is very interesting. And smells very fishy. Especially since Malkin was complaining about her addy being "plastered" across the internets at 9pm Wednesday (not sure the timezone, but that's the timestamp on her post). Very weird.

Gavin of Sadly, No! is looking into the ISP address of the commenter who posted Malkin's details over there ... I sent him the ISP of the 'killthebitch' who did it here. Will keep you updated if I hear anything more. I expect Sadly, No! will too.


Gravatar I did a whois on themole.net, thinking maybe a real person had let it lapse, but that appears not to be the case, it appears to just be a UK squatter company.

I know annie's the same person as cranky, is there more?


Gravatar I did a whois on themole.net, thinking maybe a real person had let it lapse, but that appears not to be the case, it appears to just be a UK squatter company.

I know annie's the same person as cranky, is there more?


Gravatar The site everone links to is here (Front page not the Malkin profile)
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Gravatar The site everone links to is here (Front page not the Malkin profile)
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Gravatar Hmm. On the Freeper thing - IIRC, it was 'buckhead' of Free Republic who was posting about the fakeness of the Dan Rather memos within minutes of their being available for public scrutiny. Turned out 'buckhead' was in tight with various GOP organizations suspected of ratfucking.


Gravatar Hmm. On the Freeper thing - IIRC, it was 'buckhead' of Free Republic who was posting about the fakeness of the Dan Rather memos within minutes of their being available for public scrutiny. Turned out 'buckhead' was in tight with various GOP organizations suspected of ratfucking.


Gravatar I know annie's the same person as cranky, is there more?
tigrismus | 04.21.06 - 7:34 pm | #


Yeah, go to her group blog. See that shoelimpy dude over there on the right. He's supposed to be the one Annie's fucking.

Well, on his blog he


Gravatar I know annie's the same person as cranky, is there more?
tigrismus | 04.21.06 - 7:34 pm | #


Yeah, go to her group blog. See that shoelimpy dude over there on the right. He's supposed to be the one Annie's fucking.

Well, on his blog he


Gravatar Bas - shoot me an email ... dpoeter-at-earthlink-dot-net ... would like to discuss all this further with S,N! as well.


Gravatar Bas - shoot me an email ... dpoeter-at-earthlink-dot-net ... would like to discuss all this further with S,N! as well.


Gravatar Who wrote The Death of Outrage Revisited in which he wrote:

What was supposed to be one of the most important and most highly looked upon duties of the Congress in regards to the President was turned into a political farce involving intimate discussions of oral sex. If anything the outrage should have been towards the Republicans who created such a mockery of our system of government. Sexual indiscretions, and even lying about them were not part of the thinking behind the “high crimes and misdemeanors” spoken of in Article II Section IV of the United States Constitution.

Given that shoelimpy's supposed to live with Annie, it's pretty safe to assume that she's in on the joke. That is if she isn't just another of that dude's sockpuppets.

I've also run intoSteer Pike Pie who once trolled a religious site claiming to be god.


Gravatar Who wrote The Death of Outrage Revisited in which he wrote:

What was supposed to be one of the most important and most highly looked upon duties of the Congress in regards to the President was turned into a political farce involving intimate discussions of oral sex. If anything the outrage should have been towards the Republicans who created such a mockery of our system of government. Sexual indiscretions, and even lying about them were not part of the thinking behind the “high crimes and misdemeanors” spoken of in Article II Section IV of the United States Constitution.

Given that shoelimpy's supposed to live with Annie, it's pretty safe to assume that she's in on the joke. That is if she isn't just another of that dude's sockpuppets.

I've also run intoSteer Pike Pie who once trolled a religious site claiming to be god.


Gravatar This should be at the top of that last post

links to an article written by this dude.


Gravatar This should be at the top of that last post

links to an article written by this dude.


Gravatar Steer Pike Pie

Crap. Now that I've fucked your comments all up.....


Gravatar Steer Pike Pie

Crap. Now that I've fucked your comments all up.....


Gravatar Fuck it. On the off chance anyone cares, goto steerpikepie.blogspot.com and ctrl+f "carpbasman"


Gravatar Fuck it. On the off chance anyone cares, goto steerpikepie.blogspot.com and ctrl+f "carpbasman"


Gravatar Yeah, I'd seen ShoeLimpy in action before at Pandagon. I don't get it, why troll lefty sites when you're a lefty yourself? Cranky posts as a straight up lefty at SN, and at Pop's Bucket. Why pull the annie routine?


Gravatar Yeah, I'd seen ShoeLimpy in action before at Pandagon. I don't get it, why troll lefty sites when you're a lefty yourself? Cranky posts as a straight up lefty at SN, and at Pop's Bucket. Why pull the annie routine?


Gravatar Holy crap, are people thinking that I made the claim that themole was, specifically, the wingnut plant? Whoops. No, I deleted the plant's comment altogether since it was so egregious - and obvious too.


Gravatar Holy crap, are people thinking that I made the claim that themole was, specifically, the wingnut plant? Whoops. No, I deleted the plant's comment altogether since it was so egregious - and obvious too.


Gravatar are people thinking that I made the claim that themole was, specifically, the wingnut plant?

No, it's just that several of us noticed themole or someone whose homepage was themole.net posted the info at several websites, having never been seen at those sites before, and thought it a mite odd.


Gravatar are people thinking that I made the claim that themole was, specifically, the wingnut plant?

No, it's just that several of us noticed themole or someone whose homepage was themole.net posted the info at several websites, having never been seen at those sites before, and thought it a mite odd.


Gravatar Okay, all this is getting more and more interesting. Am I right, though, in understanding that there is NO connection between annieangel/shoelimpy/Allen Butler and themole/killthebitch? Completely different set of trolls, right?


Gravatar Okay, all this is getting more and more interesting. Am I right, though, in understanding that there is NO connection between annieangel/shoelimpy/Allen Butler and themole/killthebitch? Completely different set of trolls, right?


Gravatar There isn't any evidence of any, I was just curious about the annie outing info Bas mentioned.

And Bas, in the more info department, cranky mentions a husband at Pop's Bucket.


Gravatar There isn't any evidence of any, I was just curious about the annie outing info Bas mentioned.

And Bas, in the more info department, cranky mentions a husband at Pop's Bucket.


Gravatar I don't get it, why troll lefty sites when you're a lefty yourself? Cranky posts as a straight up lefty at SN, and at Pop's Bucket. Why pull the annie routine

I hadn't seen the cranky thing. heh.

I don't understand it, but it happens pretty frequently. There's a guy that posts under the name DaveJ (I think) over at John Cole's blog who used to troll Kevin Drum's site. But he would also post as an over the top wingnut at conservative blogs to see what he would get away with saying, which was actually kind of funny.


Gravatar I don't get it, why troll lefty sites when you're a lefty yourself? Cranky posts as a straight up lefty at SN, and at Pop's Bucket. Why pull the annie routine

I hadn't seen the cranky thing. heh.

I don't understand it, but it happens pretty frequently. There's a guy that posts under the name DaveJ (I think) over at John Cole's blog who used to troll Kevin Drum's site. But he would also post as an over the top wingnut at conservative blogs to see what he would get away with saying, which was actually kind of funny.


Gravatar Completely different set of trolls, right?

As far as I know.


Gravatar Completely different set of trolls, right?

As far as I know.


Gravatar themole trolled the righty blogs too, btw.


Gravatar themole trolled the righty blogs too, btw.


Gravatar themole trolled the righty blogs too, btw.


Gravatar themole trolled the righty blogs too, btw.


Gravatar Oh, I did the GastroGuy269 thing over at the Poorman and a few other sites for a couple of days. It can be a fun little exercise to see if anybody buys it, then let anyone who hasn't gotten it yet in on the joke (or disappear into the ether like FAC).

But creating long-running, multi-blog backed identities is a little bizarre for the return on investment.


Gravatar Oh, I did the GastroGuy269 thing over at the Poorman and a few other sites for a couple of days. It can be a fun little exercise to see if anybody buys it, then let anyone who hasn't gotten it yet in on the joke (or disappear into the ether like FAC).

But creating long-running, multi-blog backed identities is a little bizarre for the return on investment.


Gravatar So, did I, apparently.


Gravatar So, did I, apparently.


Gravatar Now, GastroGuy was funny because it seemed amost believable until you read the little quote, which always provided a ridiculous, delicious double-take. I actually don't mind faux trolls too much when they're funny, but Annie's not only not funny, she attacked people, and that crossed the line.


Gravatar Now, GastroGuy was funny because it seemed amost believable until you read the little quote, which always provided a ridiculous, delicious double-take. I actually don't mind faux trolls too much when they're funny, but Annie's not only not funny, she attacked people, and that crossed the line.


Gravatar I don't get it, why troll lefty sites when you're a lefty yourself? Cranky posts as a straight up lefty at SN, and at Pop's Bucket. Why pull the annie routine?

It's a good way to create a setup to make people on the left side of the spectrum look ridiculous. Not if you're actually a lefty, mind you, but if you're not, and you want to make them look bad...it's a pretty sweet and easy deal.

They used to call it COINTELPRO back in the day.


Gravatar I don't get it, why troll lefty sites when you're a lefty yourself? Cranky posts as a straight up lefty at SN, and at Pop's Bucket. Why pull the annie routine?

It's a good way to create a setup to make people on the left side of the spectrum look ridiculous. Not if you're actually a lefty, mind you, but if you're not, and you want to make them look bad...it's a pretty sweet and easy deal.

They used to call it COINTELPRO back in the day.


Gravatar Bas-O-Matic,

I got caught in the same trap at S,N! It's very frustratign. When I was a regular at Beliefnet politics board, shoelimpy got outed as a sockpuppet for Steer Pike Pie (who is linked to on shoe's blog), and then I saw somewhere that annie and shoe are one in the same. Or, at least, assumed to be. Very, very odd. But the way that annie switches gears on S,N!...

Anyway, followed the linkage from the comments over there and thought I'd put my 2 cents in (since I can't get passed the guards over there).


Gravatar Bas-O-Matic,

I got caught in the same trap at S,N! It's very frustratign. When I was a regular at Beliefnet politics board, shoelimpy got outed as a sockpuppet for Steer Pike Pie (who is linked to on shoe's blog), and then I saw somewhere that annie and shoe are one in the same. Or, at least, assumed to be. Very, very odd. But the way that annie switches gears on S,N!...

Anyway, followed the linkage from the comments over there and thought I'd put my 2 cents in (since I can't get passed the guards over there).


Gravatar Gratis, link. A couple of those confirm our little angel and shoelimpy share an IP address, and adding in Bas's link, shoelimpy is Allen Butler of Georgetown Texas, and annie is either also Butler or the Mrs.
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Gravatar Gratis, link. A couple of those confirm our little angel and shoelimpy share an IP address, and adding in Bas's link, shoelimpy is Allen Butler of Georgetown Texas, and annie is either also Butler or the Mrs.
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Gravatar Damnit.


Gravatar Damnit.


Gravatar tigrimus,

I was thinking that they're all three the same. Curious. Anyway, followed Bas-o-matic's link and Steer Pike Pie says of annie on Dec.17


But she's not really a parody troll because you aren't supposed to be in on the joke. The joke is in getting responses. She is a classic troll. Post something over the top and watch people respond.

All of their writing seems very similar to me, though. Maybe I'm just a tad paranoid. As long as they don't do that insane comment bombing they did at JG's then they're at least good for entertainment.


Gravatar tigrimus,

I was thinking that they're all three the same. Curious. Anyway, followed Bas-o-matic's link and Steer Pike Pie says of annie on Dec.17


But she's not really a parody troll because you aren't supposed to be in on the joke. The joke is in getting responses. She is a classic troll. Post something over the top and watch people respond.

All of their writing seems very similar to me, though. Maybe I'm just a tad paranoid. As long as they don't do that insane comment bombing they did at JG's then they're at least good for entertainment.


Gravatar Operating under the assumption that people often use the same phrases time and time again, I did a google search of "payback's a bitch themole" and picked up this from finheaven.com:

04-15-2003, 05:10 PM
:rofl: Neal Cavuto, on fox news speaking on the decline in ratings of the anti war Hollywood types: Payback's a *****! This guy is something else.

Doesn't necessarily mean anything, I just thought it was interesting.


Gravatar Operating under the assumption that people often use the same phrases time and time again, I did a google search of "payback's a bitch themole" and picked up this from finheaven.com:

04-15-2003, 05:10 PM
:rofl: Neal Cavuto, on fox news speaking on the decline in ratings of the anti war Hollywood types: Payback's a *****! This guy is something else.

Doesn't necessarily mean anything, I just thought it was interesting.


Gravatar Oh, that was a post from themole (probably the freeper one), my cut and pasting didn't work right.

Anyhow, too bad the guy didn't use a more unusual phrase, something like "poutine-face"; that would have been helpful.


Gravatar Oh, that was a post from themole (probably the freeper one), my cut and pasting didn't work right.

Anyhow, too bad the guy didn't use a more unusual phrase, something like "poutine-face"; that would have been helpful.


Gravatar I was thinking that they're all three the same. Curious. Anyway, followed Bas-o-matic's link and Steer Pike Pie says of annie on Dec.17

But she's not really a parody troll because you aren't supposed to be in on the joke. The joke is in getting responses. She is a classic troll. Post something over the top and watch people respond.


I said that about Annie a few months ago over at Eschaton. Steerpikepie reposted it on his blog. In sockpuppet mythology I think Steer Pike's supposed by Annie's ex, hence the Shoelimpy/Steer Pike animosity.

When I was a regular at Beliefnet politics board, shoelimpy got outed as a sockpuppet for Steer Pike Pie

Yeah, that's where he trolled claiming to be god.

The only reason I know so much about these guys is SteerPike trolled Pandagon a couple of years ago and was an obvious fake. When Annie and Shoelimpy showed up at Eschaton and I saw steerpike linked by both of them, I knew something was up.


Gravatar I was thinking that they're all three the same. Curious. Anyway, followed Bas-o-matic's link and Steer Pike Pie says of annie on Dec.17

But she's not really a parody troll because you aren't supposed to be in on the joke. The joke is in getting responses. She is a classic troll. Post something over the top and watch people respond.


I said that about Annie a few months ago over at Eschaton. Steerpikepie reposted it on his blog. In sockpuppet mythology I think Steer Pike's supposed by Annie's ex, hence the Shoelimpy/Steer Pike animosity.

When I was a regular at Beliefnet politics board, shoelimpy got outed as a sockpuppet for Steer Pike Pie

Yeah, that's where he trolled claiming to be god.

The only reason I know so much about these guys is SteerPike trolled Pandagon a couple of years ago and was an obvious fake. When Annie and Shoelimpy showed up at Eschaton and I saw steerpike linked by both of them, I knew something was up.


Gravatar Ha ha ha ha ... I just commented on annieangel's top post:

"Allen, please call Mom. It's important."

S/he/it deleted it twice and has apparently banned me. Amazing how those who can dish it out can't take it, eh?


Gravatar Ha ha ha ha ... I just commented on annieangel's top post:

"Allen, please call Mom. It's important."

S/he/it deleted it twice and has apparently banned me. Amazing how those who can dish it out can't take it, eh?


Gravatar shingles, if he'd used 'poutine-face' I probably would have liked him a lot more.


Gravatar shingles, if he'd used 'poutine-face' I probably would have liked him a lot more.


Gravatar That's hilarious! But can you actually get banned from Blogger commenting?

When Annie and Shoelimpy showed up at Eschaton and I saw steerpike linked by both of them, I knew something was up.

Hmmm, perhaps a bit of dissociative personality disorder? Perhaps Steer/Shoe are the same body and Annie won't talk to him/them when Steer's personality comes out? Interesting.


Gravatar That's hilarious! But can you actually get banned from Blogger commenting?

When Annie and Shoelimpy showed up at Eschaton and I saw steerpike linked by both of them, I knew something was up.

Hmmm, perhaps a bit of dissociative personality disorder? Perhaps Steer/Shoe are the same body and Annie won't talk to him/them when Steer's personality comes out? Interesting.


Gravatar You know, I've go a MySpace account now. I feel so dirty.


S/he/it deleted it twice and has apparently banned me. Amazing how those who can dish it out can't take it, eh?
Assparrot | Homepage | 04.21.06 - 10:35 pm | #


I actually think that she's probably the dude's girlfriend/wife/whatever. There's too many half-naked pictures on her blog. That alter-ego cranky claims to have a husband kind of settles it for me.


Gravatar You know, I've go a MySpace account now. I feel so dirty.


S/he/it deleted it twice and has apparently banned me. Amazing how those who can dish it out can't take it, eh?
Assparrot | Homepage | 04.21.06 - 10:35 pm | #


I actually think that she's probably the dude's girlfriend/wife/whatever. There's too many half-naked pictures on her blog. That alter-ego cranky claims to have a husband kind of settles it for me.


Gravatar Assparrot, well you shouldn't have told her how much you and your wife enjoyed looking at her pictures and then going and having sex.

Seriously though, I think the only reason she included the above information was so that we all know that she's really really hot. Really really.

And also, by linking your banning to something more sordid she doesn't actually have to explain why she really banned you.


Gravatar Assparrot, well you shouldn't have told her how much you and your wife enjoyed looking at her pictures and then going and having sex.

Seriously though, I think the only reason she included the above information was so that we all know that she's really really hot. Really really.

And also, by linking your banning to something more sordid she doesn't actually have to explain why she really banned you.


Gravatar Oh, totally. Very clever of her ... now it looks like I did something perverted to get banned.

Don't know if she actually 'banned' me as in banned my IP, by the way. I don't really care to test it ... she basically said 'don't post here anymore' ... so I won't.


Gravatar Oh, totally. Very clever of her ... now it looks like I did something perverted to get banned.

Don't know if she actually 'banned' me as in banned my IP, by the way. I don't really care to test it ... she basically said 'don't post here anymore' ... so I won't.


Gravatar How did I miss all this- we had cranky nailed as anniea for the last couple of days, but why did she get careless? She really has been commenting a lot, and seems so careful. Not this week.


Gravatar How did I miss all this- we had cranky nailed as anniea for the last couple of days, but why did she get careless? She really has been commenting a lot, and seems so careful. Not this week.


Gravatar Oh, and it's pretty clear she's Allen or as Bas says, Allen's SO ... otherwise, why delete an on-the-face-of-it random non-sequiter message like the one I posted? And she deleted it literally a minute after I posted it. What variation of "I'd still be getting away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids!" was running through her head as she was unmasked by the comment?


Gravatar Oh, and it's pretty clear she's Allen or as Bas says, Allen's SO ... otherwise, why delete an on-the-face-of-it random non-sequiter message like the one I posted? And she deleted it literally a minute after I posted it. What variation of "I'd still be getting away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids!" was running through her head as she was unmasked by the comment?


Gravatar See, shit like this creeps me out.

There are just as many dangerous freaks online as there are off....possibly more.

This is the kind of behavior you'd expect from someone like that Kevin kid in oklahoma whose blog is now all over the place because he murdered and dismembered some poor little kid.


Gravatar See, shit like this creeps me out.

There are just as many dangerous freaks online as there are off....possibly more.

This is the kind of behavior you'd expect from someone like that Kevin kid in oklahoma whose blog is now all over the place because he murdered and dismembered some poor little kid.


Gravatar Let me get this straight. Malkin thing puts up her first post about seditious Santa Cruz on 11 April. They request she remove it because they're getting death threats, but instead she repeats it on the 12th. On the 17th, she complains about getting rude emails.

On the 19th, 8.53 pm, she posts "I'm not afraid". For the past half a day or so (judging by time-stamps on comments), "themole", "killthebitch", and "billthekitch" have been spamming links to Website that Shall Not Be Named (WSNBN).

But WSNBN has had that info up since 16th March. It seems to have only become an issue because it's being spammed around the place. They respond to Malkin thing on 19 April, by telephone and on their site, basically refusing to take the info down.

We then find that our mystery spammers themole, killthebitch, and billthekitch, are all the same person. For the most part, their spam is deleted. Noteworthy exceptions include Jesus General, who reproduced it on his site (I for one won't be visiting him again. Travis is funnier anyway.)

How's my driving?


Gravatar Let me get this straight. Malkin thing puts up her first post about seditious Santa Cruz on 11 April. They request she remove it because they're getting death threats, but instead she repeats it on the 12th. On the 17th, she complains about getting rude emails.

On the 19th, 8.53 pm, she posts "I'm not afraid". For the past half a day or so (judging by time-stamps on comments), "themole", "killthebitch", and "billthekitch" have been spamming links to Website that Shall Not Be Named (WSNBN).

But WSNBN has had that info up since 16th March. It seems to have only become an issue because it's being spammed around the place. They respond to Malkin thing on 19 April, by telephone and on their site, basically refusing to take the info down.

We then find that our mystery spammers themole, killthebitch, and billthekitch, are all the same person. For the most part, their spam is deleted. Noteworthy exceptions include Jesus General, who reproduced it on his site (I for one won't be visiting him again. Travis is funnier anyway.)

How's my driving?


Gravatar Well ... I don't know if I'd go that far with annieangel, Jillian. There's an element of performance art to annieangel/shoelimpy/whatever's thing. I have an aquaintance who was a 'situationist' and did things like take a dump in art galleries and such. Be disgusted by it (I am!) but also chalk it up to youthful exuberance.

Anyway, sure there's lots of dangerous freaks online - do I need to mention LGF? - but I'm not sure aa/shoething is one of 'em. Maybe just a self-styled artiste of some sort.


Gravatar Well ... I don't know if I'd go that far with annieangel, Jillian. There's an element of performance art to annieangel/shoelimpy/whatever's thing. I have an aquaintance who was a 'situationist' and did things like take a dump in art galleries and such. Be disgusted by it (I am!) but also chalk it up to youthful exuberance.

Anyway, sure there's lots of dangerous freaks online - do I need to mention LGF? - but I'm not sure aa/shoething is one of 'em. Maybe just a self-styled artiste of some sort.


Gravatar Think that's pretty much the timeline, elendil. Do note that JG posted a kind of parody of the map, not the actual arrows-pointing-to-the-Malkins-house creep directions map.


Gravatar Think that's pretty much the timeline, elendil. Do note that JG posted a kind of parody of the map, not the actual arrows-pointing-to-the-Malkins-house creep directions map.


Gravatar Holy fucking complicated personas batman!

I don't really know what to think of all this...

If she's a fake, I've been totally had. Even though I started my first comment to her with "I think you're a parody" or something like that, he/she/it can claim to have totally punk'd my ass.

Then again isn't that simply a testament to the craziness of the the present day "Annie" type person?


Gravatar Holy fucking complicated personas batman!

I don't really know what to think of all this...

If she's a fake, I've been totally had. Even though I started my first comment to her with "I think you're a parody" or something like that, he/she/it can claim to have totally punk'd my ass.

Then again isn't that simply a testament to the craziness of the the present day "Annie" type person?


Gravatar Holy shit, has anyone seend the apr 18 edition of how to [blank] a good christian [blank]?

http://bloggingpoints.blogspot.c...n- children.html

I am now convinced it's a joke. I feel like a fool.


Gravatar Holy shit, has anyone seend the apr 18 edition of how to [blank] a good christian [blank]?

http://bloggingpoints.blogspot.c...n- children.html

I am now convinced it's a joke. I feel like a fool.


Gravatar Timmah, there's worse on that blog.

Whoever is behind it is a deeply, deeply disturbed person.


Gravatar Timmah, there's worse on that blog.

Whoever is behind it is a deeply, deeply disturbed person.


Gravatar It is Timmah. I do think annie drops enough hints - the orange juice squeezing thing, for example - to make her suspicious after experiencing her for five or six exchanges.

Then again, Swank's stuff is just as ridiculous, and he's real (Jesus, or is he?!?) so it's only Bas showing the connection to Allen Butler that's pushed me completely over to the parody troll camp.


Gravatar It is Timmah. I do think annie drops enough hints - the orange juice squeezing thing, for example - to make her suspicious after experiencing her for five or six exchanges.

Then again, Swank's stuff is just as ridiculous, and he's real (Jesus, or is he?!?) so it's only Bas showing the connection to Allen Butler that's pushed me completely over to the parody troll camp.


Gravatar She's offered to voice chat with me and shoelimpy sometime on her blog.

In the words of Dale Gribble, I'm skeptical that you could, but curious that you may...


Gravatar She's offered to voice chat with me and shoelimpy sometime on her blog.

In the words of Dale Gribble, I'm skeptical that you could, but curious that you may...


Gravatar As a side note, sorry bout not coming by, works been clamping down on internet bigtime.

I havent even been posting on me blog, but that changed today, and I'll try harder.


Gravatar As a side note, sorry bout not coming by, works been clamping down on internet bigtime.

I havent even been posting on me blog, but that changed today, and I'll try harder.


Gravatar the how to be a christian wife has gone around for a long time, way before annie, annie tarted it up with the whores bit. I know Ihave seen it before, maybe a couple of years ago.


Gravatar the how to be a christian wife has gone around for a long time, way before annie, annie tarted it up with the whores bit. I know Ihave seen it before, maybe a couple of years ago.


Gravatar Bingo-roni!

http://iws.ccccd.edu/grooms/goodwife.htm


Gravatar Bingo-roni!

http://iws.ccccd.edu/grooms/goodwife.htm


Gravatar Let me get this straight. Malkin thing puts up her first post about seditious Santa Cruz on 11 April. They request she remove it because they're getting death threats, but instead she repeats it on the 12th. On the 17th, she complains about getting rude emails.

On the 19th, 8.53 pm, she posts "I'm not afraid". For the past half a day or so (judging by time-stamps on comments), "themole", "killthebitch", and "billthekitch" have been spamming links to Website that Shall Not Be Named (WSNBN).

But WSNBN has had that info up since 16th March. It seems to have only become an issue because it's being spammed around the place. They respond to Malkin thing on 19 April, by telephone and on their site, basically refusing to take the info down.


Yeah that's pretty much it, except that a) We don't know when WSNBN and affiliates did anything. b) It looks like WSNBN has had a profile up for Malkin since 2004 and considering that almost every profile at that site has some sort of address/phone number information in it, it is unknown precisely how long Malkin's profile on that site has had that information in it but it's fairly likely that it was up before Malkin posted the protesters' information. c) We don't know who was spamming a link to WSNBN. But it was almost certainly one person.

This is a story regardless of themole's political affiliation (though knowing who themole is would clarify a lot of things). Quite frankly, themole was pretty much the sole perpetrator in circulating Malkin's personal information. This allowed wankers like Jeff Goldstein to pretend like Malkin was being wronged by "the left" while giving Malkin a pass (seriously, read the Redstate post I linked upthread in light of what we now know)

One wanker posts shit she shouldn't on the main page of her well read website (and several wankers reproduce what she posted. See the above post on that as well)

Another wanker (who's timing is kind of suspect) posts a link he shouldn't on 100 or so blogs, many of which (including this one) killed the offending link.

(Also why'd I kill that blog!)

Holy shit, has anyone seend the apr 18 edition of how to [blank] a good christian [blank]?

Yeah, I would have linked that at SN!, but for some reason the spambots have banned me. Long posts, lotsa links. Can't figure out why.

Pinko Punko | Homepage | 04.22.06 - 1:23 am | #

Nice catch.


Gravatar Let me get this straight. Malkin thing puts up her first post about seditious Santa Cruz on 11 April. They request she remove it because they're getting death threats, but instead she repeats it on the 12th. On the 17th, she complains about getting rude emails.

On the 19th, 8.53 pm, she posts "I'm not afraid". For the past half a day or so (judging by time-stamps on comments), "themole", "killthebitch", and "billthekitch" have been spamming links to Website that Shall Not Be Named (WSNBN).

But WSNBN has had that info up since 16th March. It seems to have only become an issue because it's being spammed around the place. They respond to Malkin thing on 19 April, by telephone and on their site, basically refusing to take the info down.


Yeah that's pretty much it, except that a) We don't know when WSNBN and affiliates did anything. b) It looks like WSNBN has had a profile up for Malkin since 2004 and considering that almost every profile at that site has some sort of address/phone number information in it, it is unknown precisely how long Malkin's profile on that site has had that information in it but it's fairly likely that it was up before Malkin posted the protesters' information. c) We don't know who was spamming a link to WSNBN. But it was almost certainly one person.

This is a story regardless of themole's political affiliation (though knowing who themole is would clarify a lot of things). Quite frankly, themole was pretty much the sole perpetrator in circulating Malkin's personal information. This allowed wankers like Jeff Goldstein to pretend like Malkin was being wronged by "the left" while giving Malkin a pass (seriously, read the Redstate post I linked upthread in light of what we now know)

One wanker posts shit she shouldn't on the main page of her well read website (and several wankers reproduce what she posted. See the above post on that as well)

Another wanker (who's timing is kind of suspect) posts a link he shouldn't on 100 or so blogs, many of which (including this one) killed the offending link.

(Also why'd I kill that blog!)

Holy shit, has anyone seend the apr 18 edition of how to [blank] a good christian [blank]?

Yeah, I would have linked that at SN!, but for some reason the spambots have banned me. Long posts, lotsa links. Can't figure out why.

Pinko Punko | Homepage | 04.22.06 - 1:23 am | #

Nice catch.


Gravatar Wait, the spambots are blocking you? That's weird; I haven't gotten any of the usual notice-thingers...


Gravatar Wait, the spambots are blocking you? That's weird; I haven't gotten any of the usual notice-thingers...


Gravatar It is better to have these things in out of the way clubhouses anyway.

Less crazies.


Gravatar It is better to have these things in out of the way clubhouses anyway.

Less crazies.


Gravatar Out of the way clubhouses?!? More tact here, please.* At the very least, annieangel is watching.

*Just kidding!**

**Or am I?***

***Yes, I am!****

****How many of these asterisks can you do before the Barry Bonds-haters show up, smelling blood in the water?*****

*****Yes, Retardo, that means you!


Gravatar Out of the way clubhouses?!? More tact here, please.* At the very least, annieangel is watching.

*Just kidding!**

**Or am I?***

***Yes, I am!****

****How many of these asterisks can you do before the Barry Bonds-haters show up, smelling blood in the water?*****

*****Yes, Retardo, that means you!


Gravatar Wait, the spambots are blocking you? That's weird; I haven't gotten any of the usual notice-thingers...
Sadly, No! Research Labs | Homepage | 04.22.06 - 2:15 am | #


Yeah, I even emailed Gavin (who I gather is the technical dude, but I I dunno. I haven't been over there too much til lately) about it. He said to post to one of his threads. I did, and nothing happened.

But I could post over there until I tried to post a linkfest (see up there) outing Annie on that first Gary Ruppert thread.

I haven't gotten any of the usual notice-thingers...

You got me, I've posted several "I can't post" posts since the Gary Ruppert thread.


Gravatar Wait, the spambots are blocking you? That's weird; I haven't gotten any of the usual notice-thingers...
Sadly, No! Research Labs | Homepage | 04.22.06 - 2:15 am | #


Yeah, I even emailed Gavin (who I gather is the technical dude, but I I dunno. I haven't been over there too much til lately) about it. He said to post to one of his threads. I did, and nothing happened.

But I could post over there until I tried to post a linkfest (see up there) outing Annie on that first Gary Ruppert thread.

I haven't gotten any of the usual notice-thingers...

You got me, I've posted several "I can't post" posts since the Gary Ruppert thread.


Gravatar I've been linkfest denied on Digby (who uses Haloscan) and Poorman (who doesn't? I don't think). I don't see on my own Haloscan where you can set limits (or remove them) to number of links, but there's probably a default.


Gravatar I've been linkfest denied on Digby (who uses Haloscan) and Poorman (who doesn't? I don't think). I don't see on my own Haloscan where you can set limits (or remove them) to number of links, but there's probably a default.


Gravatar Also, I like how Sadly, No! business is conducted in my comment threads. Like, am I in the room here or what? You guys want me to make some coffee?


Gravatar Also, I like how Sadly, No! business is conducted in my comment threads. Like, am I in the room here or what? You guys want me to make some coffee?


Gravatar you leave the internets for two days and the whole world explodes into an orgy of troll hunting. it'll all be over by the time i get my club, so i;m gonna sit back and watch you guys do all the hard work.


Gravatar you leave the internets for two days and the whole world explodes into an orgy of troll hunting. it'll all be over by the time i get my club, so i;m gonna sit back and watch you guys do all the hard work.


Gravatar Bas-O-Matic: Bravo. And bravo again.

Ass Parrot: Charge rent on the use of your Haloscan conference room.


Gravatar Bas-O-Matic: Bravo. And bravo again.

Ass Parrot: Charge rent on the use of your Haloscan conference room.


Gravatar One of her links is RevolutionaryLeft.com, and if you site search the forums you find she claims to be a Christian anarchist. Don't know if I'd trust her on a stack of Anarchists Bibles, but she's certainly a rhetorical bomb-thrower.


Gravatar One of her links is RevolutionaryLeft.com, and if you site search the forums you find she claims to be a Christian anarchist. Don't know if I'd trust her on a stack of Anarchists Bibles, but she's certainly a rhetorical bomb-thrower.


Gravatar Christian anarchists are like Vegetarians for Veal.


Gravatar Christian anarchists are like Vegetarians for Veal.


Gravatar RevLeft makes no sense. It is weird. WEIRD. OF course there were too many words and I got tired.


Gravatar RevLeft makes no sense. It is weird. WEIRD. OF course there were too many words and I got tired.


Gravatar cranky is not annie I htink. I think that was just a wird comment that didn't come out right


Gravatar cranky is not annie I htink. I think that was just a wird comment that didn't come out right


Gravatar My current favorite AA line from Revolutionary Left:

"I know why Mexicans immigrate. I spend quite a bit of time with friends in Cancun. I know about Marcos. I know people who know Marcos."

That would be Subcommander Marcos, of the Zapatista Army of National Liberation.


Gravatar My current favorite AA line from Revolutionary Left:

"I know why Mexicans immigrate. I spend quite a bit of time with friends in Cancun. I know about Marcos. I know people who know Marcos."

That would be Subcommander Marcos, of the Zapatista Army of National Liberation.


Gravatar Marcos chills out in Cancun?
Hey, if he's "Subcommander" Marcos, who then is the "Commander"?

As a side note, I see the anarchist symbol alongside the hammer and sickle there at the top.

May I just point out that no good anarchist would would be affiliated w/the "boneheaded left" (that would be communists, maoists, or trotskypoops). First, and most obviously, statism and anti-statism don't mix. Second, whenever the boneheaded left has gained power anywhere, the first people they have gone after (ie, killed) have been the anarchists.

Mabye its just a marriage of convenience "until the revolution comes" (ha ha ha), but it certainly doesn't help the reputation of anarchism any.


Gravatar Marcos chills out in Cancun?
Hey, if he's "Subcommander" Marcos, who then is the "Commander"?

As a side note, I see the anarchist symbol alongside the hammer and sickle there at the top.

May I just point out that no good anarchist would would be affiliated w/the "boneheaded left" (that would be communists, maoists, or trotskypoops). First, and most obviously, statism and anti-statism don't mix. Second, whenever the boneheaded left has gained power anywhere, the first people they have gone after (ie, killed) have been the anarchists.

Mabye its just a marriage of convenience "until the revolution comes" (ha ha ha), but it certainly doesn't help the reputation of anarchism any.


Gravatar But seriously though, can we get back to discussing more Sadly, No! business.


Gravatar But seriously though, can we get back to discussing more Sadly, No! business.


Gravatar no but shingles needs to bone up on like 4 months of song of the day


Gravatar no but shingles needs to bone up on like 4 months of song of the day


Gravatar Oh. My. Anarchism. Sadly, the height of it all recently has been Street Puppets, Rage Against the Machine and Zmag hits. And of course, historically, the Spanish Civil War and Ukrainian worker co-ops. Or, if you're of the capitalist bent, Medeival Icleland.

In short, not much, despite your reams of Bakunin quotes. Reality continues to intrude.

On the bright side, Joe Hill and the Wobblies actually happened.


Gravatar Oh. My. Anarchism. Sadly, the height of it all recently has been Street Puppets, Rage Against the Machine and Zmag hits. And of course, historically, the Spanish Civil War and Ukrainian worker co-ops. Or, if you're of the capitalist bent, Medeival Icleland.

In short, not much, despite your reams of Bakunin quotes. Reality continues to intrude.

On the bright side, Joe Hill and the Wobblies actually happened.


Gravatar OH shit, it looks like it is ON!

http:// steerpikepie.blogspot.com...ickenshits.html

Also: ntohing coul dbe mroe genius than this:

"If he touched a Bible his fingers would burn.

He's too far gone down the liberal path to Hell. He's a sneak and a liar and he's a little brown nosed asskisser. He doesn't realize those aren't good qualities.

To quote Flava Flav, a dirty rat rats to help themselves blab blab blab boyeeeeeee!!!!!"

-anniea

I mean first you are not supposed to let your kids listen to rap, but then moms fives Timmah the kiss-off with Flava Flav?

I can't wait for the public service announcement!

Moms: "Where did you get this rap??"

Kidz: "I learned it from watching YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Wah wah.

Oh yeah. EAT IT!!@!


Gravatar OH shit, it looks like it is ON!

http:// steerpikepie.blogspot.com...ickenshits.html

Also: ntohing coul dbe mroe genius than this:

"If he touched a Bible his fingers would burn.

He's too far gone down the liberal path to Hell. He's a sneak and a liar and he's a little brown nosed asskisser. He doesn't realize those aren't good qualities.

To quote Flava Flav, a dirty rat rats to help themselves blab blab blab boyeeeeeee!!!!!"

-anniea

I mean first you are not supposed to let your kids listen to rap, but then moms fives Timmah the kiss-off with Flava Flav?

I can't wait for the public service announcement!

Moms: "Where did you get this rap??"

Kidz: "I learned it from watching YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Wah wah.

Oh yeah. EAT IT!!@!


Gravatar The Wobblies were perhaps the perfect blend of anarchy and socialism, and I love 'em for that.

If you read the things they wrote and the speeches they made, they sound a lot more anarchosyndicalist than they do socialist. But their general strikes and other actions always seemed to take a socialist path.

Can't we all just get along? And fight the common enemy?


Gravatar The Wobblies were perhaps the perfect blend of anarchy and socialism, and I love 'em for that.

If you read the things they wrote and the speeches they made, they sound a lot more anarchosyndicalist than they do socialist. But their general strikes and other actions always seemed to take a socialist path.

Can't we all just get along? And fight the common enemy?


Gravatar I'll drink to the Wobblies!

Cute little furry things with GREAT Mike Batt songs!

Righto Pinko - Damn, 4 months!? Will get right on it. So to speak.


Gravatar I'll drink to the Wobblies!

Cute little furry things with GREAT Mike Batt songs!

Righto Pinko - Damn, 4 months!? Will get right on it. So to speak.


Gravatar Wingnut rhetorical device that is beginning to drive me to the brink.

Variant One:

Sensible Person: Umm, hey, that whole Iraq thing doesn't seem to be going so well.

Wingnut: Yeah, well what do you propose we do in Iraq to make everything come out swimmingly.

Sensible Person: Well, I didn't really hold myself out as an expert in nation building, so I don't know what if anything could be done. Though, the longer we're over there the more hopeless everything seems

Wingnut: Typical Dhimmicrap, always tearing things down and never offering any solutions.

Variant 2:

Sensible Person: Hey that Rumsfeld appears to be completely incompetent. Bush should probably get rid of him.

Wingnut: All right, then who do you propose that will do such a better job?

Sensible Person: Well, I'm not really all that familiar with the defense establishment but it seems like the longer Rumsfeld is there the more harm he is doing.

Wingnut: Typical Dhimmicrap, always tearing things down and never offering any solutions.

Variant 3:

Sensible Person: Privatizing, er, Private Accounts, er Personal Accounts are a crazy idea. At some point the market will crash and we'll either end up with starving seniors or have to pay for social security twice.

Wingnut: Oh yeah, well what do you propose we do about SS long term problems?

Sensible person: Well, raise the retirement age maybe, lift the cap on FICA taxes perhaps. As for a comprehensive plan for SS overhaul I'm not really an expert on government finaces. But, private accounts are just crazy.

Wingnut: Typical Dhimmicrap, always tearing things down and never offering any solutions.


Gravatar Wingnut rhetorical device that is beginning to drive me to the brink.

Variant One:

Sensible Person: Umm, hey, that whole Iraq thing doesn't seem to be going so well.

Wingnut: Yeah, well what do you propose we do in Iraq to make everything come out swimmingly.

Sensible Person: Well, I didn't really hold myself out as an expert in nation building, so I don't know what if anything could be done. Though, the longer we're over there the more hopeless everything seems

Wingnut: Typical Dhimmicrap, always tearing things down and never offering any solutions.

Variant 2:

Sensible Person: Hey that Rumsfeld appears to be completely incompetent. Bush should probably get rid of him.

Wingnut: All right, then who do you propose that will do such a better job?

Sensible Person: Well, I'm not really all that familiar with the defense establishment but it seems like the longer Rumsfeld is there the more harm he is doing.

Wingnut: Typical Dhimmicrap, always tearing things down and never offering any solutions.

Variant 3:

Sensible Person: Privatizing, er, Private Accounts, er Personal Accounts are a crazy idea. At some point the market will crash and we'll either end up with starving seniors or have to pay for social security twice.

Wingnut: Oh yeah, well what do you propose we do about SS long term problems?

Sensible person: Well, raise the retirement age maybe, lift the cap on FICA taxes perhaps. As for a comprehensive plan for SS overhaul I'm not really an expert on government finaces. But, private accounts are just crazy.

Wingnut: Typical Dhimmicrap, always tearing things down and never offering any solutions.


Gravatar Or how about

"Dhimmicraps hate America! Love it or get out, losers!"

That's my personal favorite.


Gravatar Or how about

"Dhimmicraps hate America! Love it or get out, losers!"

That's my personal favorite.


Gravatar the correct term is subcomandante. and there is no comandante, because that's how the zapatistas roll.


Gravatar the correct term is subcomandante. and there is no comandante, because that's how the zapatistas roll.


Gravatar btw, are you trying to induce comment-thread madness here, AP?


Gravatar btw, are you trying to induce comment-thread madness here, AP?


Gravatar "Dhimmicraps hate America! Love it or get out, losers!"

Well, the real infuriating rhetorical device is the wingnut requirement that you have a five point plan for issue X in order to be able to criticize the president's or the Republicans' position on anything.


Gravatar "Dhimmicraps hate America! Love it or get out, losers!"

Well, the real infuriating rhetorical device is the wingnut requirement that you have a five point plan for issue X in order to be able to criticize the president's or the Republicans' position on anything.


Gravatar Whereas they need provide nothing because everything Bush wants to do is dandy-fine with them. Of course, during the Clinton era I don't recall them being quite so insistent on the need for a full-fledged plan before one could criticize administration actions. It's also frustrating that righties conveniently forget or ignore any ideas actually put forth; remember the Social Security foofaraw? The Dems suggested raising or removing the cap, means tested benefit adjustments, bringing new government employees into the system, etc, but ask a righty and they'll probably say the Democrats had no plan to "save" Social Security.


Gravatar Whereas they need provide nothing because everything Bush wants to do is dandy-fine with them. Of course, during the Clinton era I don't recall them being quite so insistent on the need for a full-fledged plan before one could criticize administration actions. It's also frustrating that righties conveniently forget or ignore any ideas actually put forth; remember the Social Security foofaraw? The Dems suggested raising or removing the cap, means tested benefit adjustments, bringing new government employees into the system, etc, but ask a righty and they'll probably say the Democrats had no plan to "save" Social Security.


Gravatar but the dude got a blowjob! in the white house!

why do you think jeff gannon got shitcanned?


Gravatar but the dude got a blowjob! in the white house!

why do you think jeff gannon got shitcanned?


Gravatar Light posting - off on a bender again, eh?


Gravatar Light posting - off on a bender again, eh?


Gravatar Nah, working on the ginormous post just entered above.


Gravatar Nah, working on the ginormous post just entered above.


Gravatar You ain't friggin' kidding!
Tip o'the hat to you!


Gravatar You ain't friggin' kidding!
Tip o'the hat to you!


Gravatar Good post up there! So what's this about people posing as fake trolls on lefty sites?


Gravatar Good post up there! So what's this about people posing as fake trolls on lefty sites?


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