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disillusioned_german:
I've seen that particular piece earlier today. I wonder when / if we'll see the (D)HYS results.
disillusioned_german:
Not sure if anyone has noticed but it seems the Beeb have positioned the "In depth - Muslims in Europe" section on the Europe page on a permanent basis:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ope/
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Stefan:
And in contrast:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/46.../uk/
4663280.stm
General disrespectful tone given to the section dealing with SAINT Thomas Becket, who is venerated by both the Anglican and Catholic churches. Note how they give no backstory whatsoever to the event (Henry II himself repented and paid a pilgrimage to the tomb later on) and treat a key figure in the Church of England in the same manner as Oswald Mosley!
But of course, who cares if they offend Christians (and possibly the Archbishop of Canterbury himself)?
Pounce:
I see the march of radical Islam marches on in Europe.
It’s philosophy of been able to say what they want under the aegis of their faith is juxtaposed somewhat by how they use character assassination, intimidation and finally fear in suppressing any valid criticism of their way of life.
Orgs such as the BBC have a duty in which to fight for the right of free speech.
Fighting for the side which is actively suppressing such a stance isn’t what I should expect in a free country and especially from a publicly funded one.
Socialism is Necrotizing:
Silence from the pathetic Damien Hirst who stuck kitchen knives in the severed heads of a dozen bulls and called it "The Stations of the Cross"
Silence from the "brave" and "controversial" "artist" Andreas Seranno who put a crucifix in a jar filled with urine and called it "Piss Christ".
Silence from the BBC who have used each and every opportunity to "challenge" Christian Belief.
Laugh in the faces of Socialists wherever you encounter them, they are Chicken Shit and always have been.
disillusioned_german:
Let's support Danish companies, people... Danish bacon (probably not eaten by muslims anyway), Carlsberg etc.
nic:
In the interests of balance, I thought it might be worth pointing this out on the site: http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/pr.../beyond_belief/
The latest programme was, in my opinion, particularly well balanced. One extremist set against two moderates (one moderate to the point of utter reasonableness). The extremist got out flanked.
amimissingsomething:
"Laugh in the faces of Socialists wherever you encounter them"
oh how i wish it were (just) a laughing matter!!
but the wretched two-(but multi-culturalist)-faced cowards are detroying our civilization - and some of us are forced to pay them to do it!
why can't these hideously white bbc apparatchiks see the to me hideously obvious? or rather, why don't they face it? deep down in their soul (or whatever trendy atheists have) they know the islam they turn a blind eye to is as deserving of challenge as any other religion ever was.
o, i forgot, they only want to challenge the assumptions of non-threatening, licence-paying "little england" while masquerading as if they were defending some great right to question perceived truth at fear-confonting, admirable personal risk
amimissingsomething:
sorry
did not intend a gratuitous swipe at atheists
it's the "trendy" part i really meant
i was thinking of andy roony's (sp?) phrase concerning the left's flirtation with atheism
Anonymous:
O/t
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums.../
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Rick:
So they are boycotting Danish bacon in The Gulf........
Won't the BBC be screening "Jerry Springer The Opera Part 2" ? So we could miss the bit about Mohammed joining Jerry Springer in Hell ?
Haven't they produced a Koran in Cockney or Patois ? I mean the BBC never quotes the Bible from the Latin Vulgate so why bother with Arabic ?
Maybe "Little Britain" could win a prize for a light-hearted look at Islam.
BTW. If the Koran reveres Jesus why do no Muslims ever complain about denigration of Jesus by the liberal media; or is Mohammed a god in himself ?
Rick:
Let's support Danish companies, people... Danish bacon (probably not eaten by muslims anyway), Carlsberg etc.
disillusioned_german | 31.01.06 - 1:43 am |
Hannen Alt
Tuborg
Holsten
pounce:
I don’t know to take this, I am actually gobsmacked.
I mean for the crap we hear about not offending the minority faiths.
(Hey the oxygen thieves are voting on it later on today)
And the BBC in the name of comedy plays with fire;
>>”In the aftermath of the July bombings in London, Mischief decided to find out what post-suicide-bombs Britain would be like for a chap with a beard on his chin and a rucksack on his back.”>>”The BBC agree to commision Travels with My Beard. As my beard gets longer (thankfully I am blessed with hairy genes and the whiskers sprout readily) the funny looks on the tube and buses start multiplying. I can feel the lingering gaze of suspicion on the faces of my fellow passengers. This beard business is serious.”
pounce:
So let me get this straight in the name of art, the BBC paid for a Asian guy to grow a beard and travel on the underground wearing a rucksack. Yup F-ing smart. (The fact that 53 died because of idiots who did just that last July ) I wonder how many people got really worried after that little stunt. But hey don’t worry. This governments going to vote today so we don’t upset the religion of peace anymore. Imagine the anger from the BBC never mind the BBC if we decided to start emulating the people who died at the Haij the other month. Now that really would be insensitive.
Eamonn:
The BBC's reporting of this has been disgraceful. On last night's PM the story was clearly presented as a sort of Islamophobic attack by a nation (Denmark) which the BBC tells us has some very worrying right wing influences. So there it is. Denmark is racist and offensive. Free speech was not really mentioned in this report.
Oh, and one BBC reporter described one of the photos as depicting Mohammed with a pig's face. We of course know this picture to be a fake, but I can imagine the BBC team wetting themselves to let us know about this one.
simon:
What proportion of BBC staff went to public school? They seem a posh lot to me and maybe that's why they don't really connect with the people and have the arrogance to suppose that they do.
Eamonn:
Today.
Stourton interviews the editor of a Hamas newspaper and a representative of the Government of Israel.
Who comes off worst from Stourton? Need I tell you? It is just so depressing. Just for ONCE, couldn't Stourton ask some hard questions of Hamas? Or are people like Stourton only too ready to believe the poison written by apologists for terror and would-be suicide bombers:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
commen...1697707,00.html
Cockney:
For anyone who wants to support our Scandinavian friends in a more extravagent way than suffering a pint of Carlsberg, I can strongly recommend a night at Nordic (just North of Oxford Street) or dinner at Lundum's on the Brompton Road.
http://www.lundums.com/script/si...ite/
default.asp
http://www.nordicbar.com
Eamonn:
Today (again)
Stourton, in the balanced approach that BBC presenters display only too well, tells us that "the plans of president Bush have virtually come to nothing". Is that Stourton's view? Or that of the BBC? Then we have Webb asking us whether, in his State of the Union address, can President Bush "rescue his second presidency?"
Says who?
Alan G:
I must admit to shouting at the television two days ago when I had the misfortune to watch BBC World reporting on the cartoon controversy.
The newsreader explained that muslims were angry because of a cartoon depicting Mohammed as a terrorist. Well, muslims may be upset at that one particular cartoon in the set but the real story is of course that offence was taken at all the cartoons.
No background was given as to why the Jyllands Posten had published the drawings. The story was presented as ignorant newspaper sets out to insult muslims. No reporting on the appearance of cartoons that have been touted as part of the set published but which are fakes. It was a disgraceful piece of reporting that left me seething.
It's the total lack of background information or the deliberate omission of facts that make me despair of BBC reporting. Spit.
Bryan:
OT
Anyone prepared to grind their teeth and clench their fists for an hour can go to the 'Have Your Say' main page and scroll down to 'Video: Watch Have Your Say' where they will be entertained by Lyse Doucet - she of the grating voice - and a Hamas supporter who welcomes the existence of Jews in the Middle East as long as they forego the State of Israel and accept dhimmitude.
This aforementioned gentleman had the temerity to claim that Jews had always been treated well by his fellow Neanderthals. (Yeah, right. Apart from the frequent pogroms, oppression and dispossession of Jews by Arabs in virtually every Arab country where Jews lived.)
It's extraordinary. He and his fellow travellers really do regard Jews as uppity niggers who've forgotten their place and had the cheek to turn a desolate wasteland into a blooming democracy and plant an Israeli flag on it.
If you can bear to watch the programme, it's quite instructive.
Rick:
Considering Denmark's reputation for sexual libertinism, its Minister for Religion, and its promotion of pork products through state marketing companies; I should have thought these Muslims who chose to live in Scandinavia might have adapted to the local mores..........................but more likely they were using some publicly-funded project to hide under black winding sheets and emerge periodically like banshees to wail at the indigenous population
Rick:
It's the total lack of background information or the deliberate omission of facts that make me despair of BBC reporting
A lie told often enough becomes the truth. ---Lenin (1870 - 1924)
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it..............The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." --- Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945
http://www.makethemaccountable.com/
Stoaty:
Reference Palestinian aid:
From this page: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
4664152.stm
Scroll down and look at the table and pie chart (linked directly from here):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
4664152.stm
Notice how the supposed EU total of aid (all in bold) is $200 million more than the US total. Look more closely -- in the EU total, they have included the World Bank and UN relief (UNRWA) totals, organisations which as far as I am aware are not part of the EU! Take those two out, and the difference is $38 million. You must then ask yourself the question, of the other figures listed, how much of that also has nothing to do with the EU?
Come on, BBC -- this is getting too easy!
Stoaty:
err, sorry -- here is the image: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/
i...aid2_pie416.gif
Further to last, even if I'm wrong and the relevant figures represent EU contributions via the World Bank and UNWRA, why are the equivalent US contributions not included in the US total?
archduke:
bbc wakes up to the cartoon rage story , maybe because of this?:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po...ics/
4664398.stm
if only we had a politician with the backbone of the Danish prime minister, Anders Rasmussen:
http://www.ambottawa.um.dk/en/
se...Address2006.htm
"That is why freedom of speech is so vital. And freedom of speech is absolute. IT IS NOT NEGOTIABLE"
Ian Barnes:
OT
Can someone start asking questions about the Russian Govt influence in the UK please?
For example, how much money is given directly or indirectly to organisations such as Stop the War, or others that seek to undermine the British Govt?
archduke:
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/new/in...s/
committee.htm
Ismael Patel
Friends of al- Aqsa
Dr Ghaysuddin Siddiqui
Muslim Parliament
http://www.aqsa.org.uk/
archduke:
Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, chairman of the Muslim Parliament agreed: 'We are part of [the British] community, and from our perspective Britain is the safest place on Earth. I don't buy the argument that there is any threat from our community.'
february 2005:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
terror...1426502,00.html
5 months before the London tube bombings.
Ian Barnes:
thanks archduke, most interesting reading...
i must say what ever happened to our North Korean friends now in residence in North London?
Have they been taking snaps of everything or money laundering as usual?
slightly OT
Was Simon Hughes the 3rd man in the Mark Oaten Love triangle?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po...ics/
4661602.stm
Rob:
The Left gets out the onions to weep about "breaking up families":
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/46.../uk/
4663056.stm
A bit late, isn't it? The left have used the state to break up families with gusto for the past 30 years! Have they realised their terrible error and repented, or is it just cynical politics? Hmmm.
Winston:
No (D)HYS yet on the cartoons/muslim boycot?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talki...int/
default.stm
Grimer:
From a statistics viewpoint, using a Pie Chart viewed from an angle is a bit 'iffy'.
It's distorts the chart and creates the illusion that segments in the foreground are larger than they actually are. Conversely, segments at the rear appear smaller than they actually are.
Oldest trick in the book.....
Rob Read:
I'll bet to my last quid that Anders Rasmussen is riding high in the popularity stakes at the moment (not that this will EVER get in the news).
Normally Danes seem very quiet on web-boards, I've seen loads recently and they're all saying one thing. Danes are != Dhimmis.
Ian Barnes:
OT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...rld/
4665020.stm
What i can;t work out is: the govt says only 230 wounded.
but they also say the average is 4 british soldiers wounded per day.
that means: 2.5 years of being in Iraq.
912.5 days in Iraq or so.
Multiplied by 4 = 3650 british wounded soldiers.
so where on earth did the figure of 230 come from?
archduke:
Rob -> Anders Rasmussen is fast becoming my politician of the year.
have a read of his new year speech to the Danish people.
http://www.ambottawa.um.dk/en/
se...Address2006.htm
in Denmark, we have a healthy tradition of putting critical questions to all authorities, be they of a political or religious nature. We use humour. We use satire. Our approach to authorities is actually rather relaxed.
And to put it bluntly: it is this unorthodox approach to authorities, it is this urge to question the established order, it is this inclination to subject everything to critical debate that has led to progress in our society.
For it is in this process that new horizons open, new discoveries are made, new ideas see the light of day. While old systems and outdated ideas and views fade and disappear.
That is why freedom of speech is so vital. And freedom of speech is absolute. It is not negotiable.
archduke:
"so where on earth did the figure of 230 come from?"
from that link:
"Some 230 British troops have been injured by ENEMY ACTION"
which means that the others were wounded in non-combat situations - accidents, sickness, stress in other words
Rick:
OT
Can someone start asking questions about the Russian Govt influence in the UK please?
For example, how much money is given directly or indirectly to organisations such as Stop the War, or others that seek to undermine the British Govt?
Ian Barnes | 31.01.06 - 9:49 am |
Do you remember CND ?
Do you recall Campaigns against Cruise Missiles ?
Both lubricated with Soviet money
Ritter:
It's up:
Will religious hatred law work?
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/
...=20060131104307
Check out the 'recommended' comments, the BBC won't be liking this.....
Where is that list of Danish products so I can add them to my shopping list?
archduke:
ritter-> http://www.danishfood.net/
Rob:
An unusual statement from a modern British judge:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/46.../uk/
4663056.stm
"But the judge, Mr Justice Bean, said it was for Parliament, not the courts, to decide if the policy was desirable."
Parliament deciding policy?! There's a novelty.
DFH:
Eammon: "Oh, and one BBC reporter described one of the photos as depicting Mohammed with a pig's face."
Nice one Eammon. I've updated my blog with a brief transcript of what Rob Broomby said on PM last night.
Steve Mac:
I am listening to the BBC WORLD SERVICE (Boston, MA, USA) on the Mohammed cartoon story. They are reporting that the Danish Government and newspaper have apologized for offending Muslims. They are also reporting that a major Danish dairy is letting 100 employees go because of the boycott. Still no background on why the cartoons were published in the first place or the fakes that blew the situation out of proportion.
Rob Read:
The BBC is your enemy.
No need to say anything more.
Grimer:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
4664408.stm
The BBC is asking for opinions on the Danish cartoons. For some reason they're keeping it away from the (D)HYS section......
Rob:
The BBC uses a family's grief to push their anti-war line and withdrawal from Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotl...and/
4665620.stm
Strange, you never hear of families who say the West's presence in Iraq is right, even when their son has been killed there. Are the BBC trying to imply that NONE of the 100 soldiers killed in Iraq believe this?
Rob:
That is, none of the families of the 100 soldiers believe this, not the deceased soldiers themselves.
TAoL:
I echo the views of those contributors above who have bemoaned the lack of background to this story.
When Pope John Paul II was dying, regulars such as Christina Odone were heard on BBC stations talking about how nice it would be if the Vatican authorities were to reassess their attitude to abortion, contraception and sexual health.
Likewise, this is a wonderful opportunity for Islamic scholars and leaders to have a debate about their own faith and its place in the modern world.
Take the cartoon business. Here, we are told that any depiction of the Prophet is forbidden. Why? It just is. That is Islamic law.
To an outsider like me, this seems silly and reprehensible. Why should Muslims (or anyone else for that matter) be barred from depicting Mohammed?
Surely there are Muslims out there who want an open debate about their faith, Sharia Law, the Qu'ran? Is it really the case that 1.3 billion Muslims blindly follow the laws of their faith without question? Where are the dissenting voices?
The BBC should be at the forefront of this debate and it should be asking why Islam is seemingly so intolerant of and sensitive outsiders' criticism.
The BBC has never stopped its reporters from making personal-observations-masquerading-as-news so why are they so pusillanimous on this issue?
The story barely warrants a mention on the website. Instead we are treated to this sh*t:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
4665426.stm
Brilliant. The sodding Arab world doesn't approve. Like, what a surprise.
This is a story that cuts to the heart of the BBC's reason for being - it is about the issue of free speech, a fundamental right in our society - yet it seems barely interested.
Rant over.
Ritter:
bottom of this page
Danes face growing Muslim storm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
4664408.stm
What do you think of the cartoons in Jyllands-Posten?
er, Dunno - cause the BBC have censored the pictures. Talk about China/Google - this is worse - I have to pay for this censorship!!!!
Cockney:
TAoL, really good post - I completely concur.
disillusioned_german:
Rick: As a beer drinker I can tell you that of the companies you mentioned only Tuborg is actually Danish (Carlsberg Company as far as I know). Hannen Alt is an Oettinger company (the brewery is in Moenchengladbach) and Holsten is located in Hamburg. Cheers anyway!
archduke:
Taol (at 4:24)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
4665426.stm
OH FOR F***KS SAKE!!!!!!
Where's the Danish viewpoint?
apologies for ranting, but this is really getting on my nerves.
the_camp_commandant:
TAoL
This is a story that cuts to the heart of the BBC's reason for being - it is about the issue of free speech, a fundamental right in our society - yet it seems barely interested.
The trouble is that al-BBC on;y believes in freedom of speech in favour of its own worldview.
Bryan:
Archduke, if the Muslims get their way, the Danes wont be able to express their viewpoint.
I share your frustration. There appears to be something more going on here than simple political correctness or dhimmitude. So I return to a question posed earlier on this site: what percentage of BBC staff is Muslim?
While the BBC's Frank Gardner was being gunned down in Saudi Arabia by the brave warriors of the Religion of Peace he told them he was a Muslim. They didn't hold their fire.
So one would think that the BBC has a stake in exposing Islam's blind intolerance.
Why do they insist on covering it up?
Ritter:
OT - and we've got bigger fish to fry today (Danish cartoons) but I couldn't help myself, sorry.
Don't pay your taxes? Are you a cheat? Depends.......
It would appear so in this case:
London 'worst for licence cheats'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...don/
4662278.stm
But in this case the pensioner is portrayed as a 'victim':
Pensioner refuses to pay tax bill
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...ies/
4647164.stm
"My family are not very happy about it, but someone has got to stand up for pensioners.
"I'll be OK inside if I can take my knitting with me.
"One of my granddaughters cried and said 'I don't want Granny to go to jail', but I will if I have to."
In this case not only is the victim a poor pensioner, but she is a fragile angina sufferer:
Woman, 79, led away in handcuffs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...ria/
4608450.stm
"An elderly woman who suffers from angina was handcuffed as she was led to a police car for a court appearance on charges of non payment of council tax."
The BBC are scum. Fight them
archduke:
"So one would think that the BBC has a stake in exposing Islam's blind intolerance. Why do they insist on covering it up?"
its utterly beyond me. although , i would like to complement Feargal Keane for doing that Ayaan Hirsi Ali interview on radio 4 a few weeks ago.
maybe the Beeb has orders from No.10 to be ultra-sensitive prior to the forthcoming war on Iran? perhaps?
not to stir things up , maybe? (just guessing here)
Gary:
OT
George W Bush tonight is going to make State of the Union speech. Knowing how anti American the BBC is I would reccmomend watch it starting at approx 01:55 on Sky News, Fox News or CNNi. I will stary away from there coverage.
Grumpy Troll:
Most BBC News journalists are probably left-wing liberals recruited among The Guardian's readers, which would explain the whitewashing of Islam.
Rick:
Hannen Alt is an Oettinger company (the brewery is in Moenchengladbach) and Holsten is located in Hamburg. Cheers anyway!
disillusioned_german | 31.01.06 - 5:17 pm | #
http://www.foodnavigator.com/new...is.asp?
id=10358
You are correct Hannen Alt acquired 1988 by Carlsberg was sold.
Carlsberg Germany is headquartered in Hamburg - they bought Holsten Brauereigruppe from Christian Eisenbeiss
Rick:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlsberg
disillusioned_german:
Rick:
Their website www.carlsberg.de still states that Hannen is a Carlsberg company. The Holsten website lists both Tuborg and Carlsberg among its brands (getting complicated here). But you're right with Holsten so let's call it a beer-draught (draw) 
Are you located in Germany, mate?
Anyway, people. Let's buy Danish goods. Here's the link again: http://www.danishfood.net/
By the way: after the Mohammed cartoons "scandal" (that term was used on Germany TV earlier) I can officially state that the Beeb is a joke. They need to be stopped!
disillusioned_german:
Correction: "German TV" - Heute (Today) News at 7 pm. They're just as useless. That's why I'm not paying my TV license (I'm not watching their programming anyway).
disillusioned_german:
Another Link for Danish goods: http://www.danishexporters.dk/
sc...ers_forside.asp
Thanks to Davids Medienkritik who are also running a buy Danish campaign.
name:
Thank goodness we can use internet sources to get closer to the truth (in a more 'nuanced' way, even) of various news stories, given the moronic level at which the same stories are pitched on the beeb, and other channels.
Apparently Rowan Atkinson is against the religious hatred bill because it 'would stop comedians making religious jokes'.
Yeah, that's a really good explanation of Atkinson's position.
paulc:
For your delectation, a little
Breaking News (second paragraph )
'The UN's atomic watchdog has confirmed that Iran has started preparations to resume producing enriched uranium, which can be used in nuclear weapons.
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) also said it has obtained an Iranian document which can only be used in the making of nuclear weapons parts.'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
4667970.stm
Can't find this on another website to get a second opinion, free of 'Auntie's' possible moderation, but still looking
Verity:
Steve Mac - The reasons for running the cartoons were published in the paper and all over the web four months ago, when they first ran. A Dane had written a book on Mohammad and had looked in vain for someone to illustrate it for him. He asked the cultural editor of the Jyylands-Posten for help. The editor, who had noted how self-censuring about Islam people had begun to be, ran a piece asking for some illustrations for this fellow's book. They published 12 of those they received.
It was the Muslim whiners and complainers themselves who included the three or four extra cartoons that they got god knows where, in their rage against Jyllands-Posten. They don't seem to understand that when you make a complaint,you should stick with the facts. Did they really think Jyllands-Posten couldn't simply pull up the relevant issue and demonstrate they had published 12, not 15, cartoons? Or can they not think that far ahead?
name:
Excellently unbiased 'debate' on BBC News24 at the moment where the interviewer is serving up nice easy "do you agree it's awful?" "how awful is it?" "in what ways is it all awful?" questions for anti-war mother Rose Gentle and some generic 'expert' who's taking various anti-war positions.
The idea of a balanced debate seems to be just an alien concept at the bbc.
paulc:
The full report was made available to Associated Press.
(it's a mite churlish of the Beeb not to mention AP, (unlike Fox and CBS))
archduke:
paulc -> debkafile have something on that.
i'm confused by this bbc report - the government lost the religious hatred bill vote, but Charles Clarke is "delighted" ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po...ics/
4664398.stm
paulc:
Perhaps Chasser's brainpan is cracked.
Might be thermal shock; those ears must have one hell of a cooling effect.
Rick:
But you're right with Holsten so let's call it a beer-draught (draw) Are you located in Germany, mate?
No longer - but I did once try to buy Holsten AG
Ich kenne Deutschland ausserordentlich gut und Brauereien insbesondere
Rick:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/
de...,398418,00.html
Very interesting
disillusioned_german:
The whole company or just a crate, Rick? Oettinger's been causing shock-waves on the beer market with their low price products. You can buy Oettinger Alt (which almost tastes like Hannen) for 5.99 Euros.
Okay, let's eat some pork and drink a beer or two while celebrating the sensibilities of our muslim brothers and sisters (or maybe not).
Just a thought: Can the Beeb be called a terrorist organisation or would that be o.t.t.?
disillusioned_german:
Rick: For usually very tasty discussions in German I can recommend the "Politically Incorrect" blog which is both pro-Israel and pro-US: http://www.myblog.de/
politically...icallyincorrect
Rob:
"License Cheats"? Sorry, surely "Licesnse insurgents"? Or "Activists against an unjust Poll Tax"?
Just a couple of phrases the BBC would use if the "naughty persons" were blowing up buses instead of not paying extortion money to a state enterprise.
Rob:
As for the "religious hatred" bill, it doesn't matter what the detail of the law is - the fact is that it will be used to intimidate anyone who dares to criticise Islam. The police will harass and arrest anyone who steps out of line, knowing full well that they don't actually have to prosecute someone in a court to get the message across.
amimissingsomething:
Parliament deciding policy?! There's a novelty.
Rob | 31.01.06 - 1:55 pm | #
well, the judge is "mr bean"
Rob:
Will they have to pay full whack for both ID cards?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po...ics/
4664142.stm
archduke:
"islam is an evil death cult"
there. can i get arrested now?
Mike Jericho:
TO THE STAFF WRITERS OF BIASED BBC
I'm curious.
Why is your letter's editor (Natalie Solent) not doing her job?
I have sent to you examples of really egregious BBC bias which you never reported on.
I also submitted an article I wrote on a particular instance of BBC Bias, which I offered for free publication.
I never received a response to either correspondence.
Not to sound annoyed, but I would have received a swifter response had I written to the BBC themselves.
FYI Biased BBC readers: Do not send in information to Biased BBC while Natalie Solent is still "letters editor". You'll be ignored. Send it to one of the mediawatch sites who possess the required motivation to actually read their mail.
Lizzie:
FYI Mike Jericho: This blog isn't anyone's "job", it's their hobby. They're providing a service for free whilst continuing with their real lives. You have no right to demand anything from them, and if you took that tone in your email, I'm not surprised you were ignored. Calm down.
If you take the time to read a number of the posts you will see that the hat-tips often go to "So-and-so in comments". You can always post your examples of bias here (preceded by an off-topic warning), and, if it really is an egregious example someone will pick it up and make a post on it, crediting you for drawing it to their attention.
Big Mouth:
Never mind cartoons! This one's a lot funnier. Give Seville back to the likes of Hamas. Take a look here:
http://www.spainherald.com/2414.html
Mike Jericho:
Lizzie, I always appreciate it when people who haven't read my emails comment derisively upon them. It reaffirms my belief that I'm superior to a lot of people.
My sincere thanks to Ed Thomas for addressing this.
Rick:
disillusioned_german |
I am a Warsteiner, Bitburger, Erdinger, Maisels, Jever, Paulaner man - I think Carlsberg tried/or did buy a Weissbier brewer........
Yes beer is dumped everywhere but Britain where it runs at 1,40 Euros a can in supermarkets.
No Danish Pork has a much bigger message to our fanatical friends - and it is about time the Will of The People as they used to say is heard on such matters across Europe in place of a political class which seeks to dupe its own populace and kow-tow to any leering mob of gangsters.
Rick:
http://
nataliesolent.blogspot.co...nt_archive.html
The normblog profile 10: Natalie Solent
Natalie Solent was born in 1964. She has worked as a commercial artist, author of textbooks (under a different name), waitress, teacher, civil servant, recruitment consultant and stay-at-home-mother. She blogs at Natalie Solent and Biased BBC
http://
www.normangeras.blogspot....as_archive.html
TAoL:
I did enjoy a little titter when I saw this on From Our Own Correspondent.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/progr...ent/
4632024.stm
No peeking just yet, please.
Spot the missing word in the headline. Which nasty thing is 'threatening' the 'reforms' in Kuwait?
"*********ism threatens Kuwait reforms"
Is it:
a) pluralism?
b) fundamentalism?
c) liberalism?
d) socialism?
e) conservatism?
f) fascism?
g) extremism?
Ritter:
TAoL - nice one. I'm surprised they restrained themselves from h:
h) toryism?
TAoL:
I do find it amusing, Ritter. I have never been a Conservative but I would consider my views on some issues to be conservative. In the world of the Toynbee, I suspect that makes me a crypto-fascist.
Likewise 'conservatism', in Beeb-speak, appears to be a malignant force that opposes all things progressive and reformist.
'Conservatism' is a scary word; a Bad Thing.
I wonder if they do use this word deliberately to confuse their listeners and viewers into thinking that conservatism equals The Conservative Party? 
RB:
Mike Jericho,
Having now read your turgid diatrabe I've concluded that Natalie was demonstrating an excellent standard of quality control.
archduke:
Taol - you left out the most important "ism" when it comes to the middle east:
"islamism"
TAoL:
But Islamism isn't a conservative philosophy, according to the BBC's terms of reference. In the land of the Beeb, Islamism tends to be prefaced by 'radical', no?
I think the BBC world-view is shaped by using the following guidelines.
If the incumbent government is 'Islamist' in nature (i.e. Iran, Syria), it is 'conservative' if it opposes pluralism, equal rights for women, and so on.*
If an opposition movement or party is Islamist, it is 'radical' or 'reformist' no matter what its policies are. In this situation, the incumbent government is conservative, irrespective of ITS policies.
*Iran is a funny one. It is a theocracy with strictly-controlled democratic elements. When abuses of human rights are under the microscope, Iran's government is 'conservative'. But when George Bush or Israel threaten to bomb it, Iran is 'progressive' and 'democratic'.
This word-play appears to be a variation on the sound-bite from the spoof election broadcast on Harry Enfield's Television Programme."L is for Labour; L is for Lice," the slogan said. In BBC-land, however, it appears to be a case of "C is for conservative; C is for C***s."
Venichka:
The Syrian Government are not really Islamist - they are much more secular Arab Nationalist - Baathist. (In fact, one might make a case that no other govt has crushed Islamists as brutally as did the Syrian regime of Assad père - Hamaa, 1982, etc).
Thom Boston:
I have just heard - on the BBC World Service, no less - that a French newspaper has reprinted these cartoons.
Can it be that the Biased-BBC bloggers will be advocating a show of support by buying the produce of the "cheese-eating surrender monkeys"?
archduke:
danish cheese with french wine. best of both worlds... yum.
i wonder if the ghettos will erupt in a French Intifada mark 2?
Grumpy Troll:
TAoL, BBC News never gets to refer to Iran's government as conservative, as it never reports on its abuses of human rights. I believe NewsWatch has ignored my comment regarding this issue, because whereas my first message was replied to in under two hours, the comment I sent on Sunday morning has yet to be replied to. Is it always so? I have probably been added to the NewsWatch blacklist.
Grumpy Troll:
Thom Boston and Archduke, with the riots we've had, France Soir will probably have to apoligise at the first complaint.
archduke:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europ...ope/
4669360.stm
"France enters Muslim cartoon row"
wow! the M word actually mentioned by the bbc!!!
Venichka:
The French paper involved, France Soir, has been teetering on the verge of bankrupcy for a few years, and almost closed down a few months ago, after the Italian company which formerly owned a majority share sold it off. Quite surprisingly that they should choose to put themselves in the limelight this way now.
Noel:
Would it be over optimistic of me to hope for a wave of newspaper solidarity across Europe, all publishing these cartoons.
I can't imagine a clearer message from the press - displaying the freedom of the press.
TAoL:
Venichka - thanks. You're right, of course. I was just looking for a word that has 'Islam' in its stem. Naturally, the Syrian government is conservative except, of course, when it is not. Or something.
I shall have a lie-down.
John Tomlinson:
If you stopped the average man in the street and asked what products Denmark are well known for, common answers would include lager, bacon and possibly pornography. Wow! This Muslim boycott is going to have a HUGE impact on the Danish economy....
TAoL:
Good for France Soir, though 'France' hasn't strictly entered the row yet. It remains to be seen if the Islamic world drags the French government into this mind-bendingly silly spat.
That is defiance for you. Don't just caricature Muslims - caricature all the major religions and shout about it.
They have style.
Venichka:
Ah, but... the facts...
Danish export trade (source: UN International Trade Statistical Yearbook): largest single element (2003) was machinery & transport equipment (around a quarter of the total), followed by food & live animals (although meat products are only a very small proportion of this, and drinks of any description such a tiny proportion as to be negligiable). Miscellaneous manufactured items, and chemical products (I don't think "Skol" falls into this category, but to judge by its taste the last time I had some, it might) also are significant. (If there IS a SITC code for pornography, I have no idea what it is, and the trade stats book doesn't list it!)
No Muslim country is a major recipient (over 1% of the total) of Danish exports (this was the case, at least in2001, 2002, 2003, the figs I have immediately to hand.) Its principal export destinations in 2003 were Germany, Sweden, the UK, then the USA and France.
My point being that any boycott is likely to be, in purely economic terms, a nuisance, and not much more, to Denmark. Only if major construction/engineering/machinery products were to be cancelled would there be a significant impact on the Danish economy. Obviously this is not the whole story (and I know we already have the case of that retail co in Saudi forced to cease operations) by any means.
Grumpy Troll:
I am unsure France Soir's circulation figures are high enough for the newspaper's publication of the cartoons to be considered of any importance on a national scale. As of 2004, France Soir's circulation was of only 62,097 copies per day, and newspapers in France are, as in the United Kingdom, affected by declining readership, so that figure is surely lower now.
Grimer:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europ...ope/
4669210.stm
Denmark's reputation as an easy-going, consensual nation has been severely tarnished in recent days. All the Danes can do now is hope the repeated apologies for the offence caused, by both the government and the newspaper, will end this unseemly row.
How on earth has Denmark's reputation as "an easy-going, consensual nation" been "severely tarnished"?
I'd say this has confirmed the reputation of Islamic countries for "hysterical overreaction and psychotic death threats". Or shown that Muslims are "incapable of living peacefully in an advanced democratic country, without wanting the entire nation altered to suit themselves".
Big Mouth:
What are all you chaps and chapesses waiting for? Don't ignore this like the PC crowd does as al-beeb.
http://www.spainherald.com/2414.html
They are refusing to face the fact that Hamas is not simply a "terrorist"(excuse me PC'ers,)insurgent organisation, but actually, and make no mistake about it, a RELIGIOUS ARMY.
Rick:
)insurgent organisation, but actually, and make no mistake about it, a RELIGIOUS ARMY.
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
forward into battle see his banners go!
Refrain:
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.
2. At the sign of triumph Satan's host doth flee;
on then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell's foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
brothers, lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.
(Refrain)
3. Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
one in hope and doctrine, one in charity.
(Refrain)
4. Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
but the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
we have Christ's own promise, and that cannot fail.
(Refrain)
5. Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud, and honor unto Christ the King,
this through countless ages men and angels sing.
(Refrain)
New BBC Theme to replace UK Theme at 5.30am
Rick:
No Muslim country is a major recipient (over 1% of the total) of Danish exports (this was the case, at least in2001, 2002, 2003, the figs I have immediately to hand.)
I think you will find that Arla Diary Group does not so much export as OWN assets
02/09/2005 - Arla’s switch of production from the EU to Saudi Arabia will save the firm money and help it to benefit from the Middle East’s significant potential for high value diary products.
Arla,, who's Lurpak brand already leads the Middle East's butter market, announced earlier this year that it would move production of processed cheese at its Bislev Dairy in Denmark to Saudi Arabia.
The grand plan is to double current sales of 60,000 tonnes per year by 2010. This will be done via a multi-million Danish Kroner investment in the Middle East region, including factory extensions and a pilot plant to test new products and packaging.
Louis Honoré, Arla spokesperson, said the group wanted to expand its reach in Lebanon, Oman and Kuwait, where it already has a strong foothold. Qatar and United Arab Emirates are also on the list, while Saudi itself is already the firm's biggest market.
And with many European dairy firms facing tough margin pressure, Arla's move and experience so far suggests the Middle East could provide a good avenue for dairy firms to increase earnings.
“Middle Eastern consumers are increasingly demanding fresh, locally produced products,” said Finn Hansen, executive director of Arla's overseas division. “The intention is for new products produced in the Middle East to account for 20 per cent of our turnover there.”
And Honoré said the firm could take also a cultural advantage by producing more locally. “We've been here so many years now we believe the authorities consider us a local dairy,” he said, adding that this could give Arla an advantage over other international brands.
Arla expects to make much-needed cost-savings out of its switch in production from Denmark to Saudi Arabia. An cost-benefit analysis revealed “substantial advantages”, it said.
But, Honoré denied the move was directly connected to the European Union's decision to cut export subsidies on a range of dairy ingredients.
“We would have done this anyway. The Middle East is a big market for us and we foresee that our brands are well able to sell more there. Of course, the cutting of the export subsidies just shows that this is the right move.”
Arla warned a few weeks ago that the EU's export subsidy cuts would harm earnings from butter exports this year.
The group, like many other European dairy processors, is grappling with intense cost pressures. The whole dairy sector has seen a rapid shift towards value-added products, such as branded milk, in an attempt to push up earnings.
Consolidation has also picked up with deals, such as the UK's Milk Link buying Glanbia Foods and Dutch dairy Campina merging its European consumer products divisions.
Arla wants to increase its annual Middle East turnover from DKK2.9bn (€388.9m) to DKK4.1bn (€549.9m) over next five years, a move which will require the doubling of its workforce in the region.
Rick:
http://www.arlafoods.com/appl/
HJ...1257068003E5FB9
Arla Foods is setting up a new Middle East subsidiary in the United Arab Emirates in conjunction with one of its long-standing, local partners, National Food Product Company. National Food has, for many years, handled imports and distribution of Arla Foods’ products in the Emirates, Arla Foods’ most important market in the Middle East after Saudi Arabia, where the group sells dairy products worth DKK 1 billion per year.
“After many years in Saudi Arabia we have now achieved a position where we’re ready to expand elsewhere in the region,” explains Executive Director, Finn Hansen,
Anonymous:
Rick - a-ha, thanks for that. Most interesting. Looks like Saudi is shooting itself in the foot, really. And surely not for the last time.
(it turns out, btw, that "France Soir" was recently acquired by a businessman of dual French-Egyptian citizenship, who is a Coptic Christian - who, needless to say, knows how minority groups such as his own are treated in the Egyptian Arab Republic)
amimissingsomething:
From grimer's link and quote
"Denmark's reputation as an easy-going, consensual nation has been severely tarnished in recent days."
well here's my version
"Denmark's steadfastness in recent days has demonstrated that, despite it's easy-going, concensual nature, even the most accommodating can be intimated, pushed and bullied too much and too far."
i personally think it is just as reasonable a concluding paragraph as the one in the bbc article.
archduke:
no sign of cartoon rage dying out - its spread to malaysia now
http://www.forbes.com/home/
feeds...afx2490632.html
and al jaazeera have reported on the french and german republication of the cartoons:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/...A67C-47C6-B340-
archduke:
bbc "have your say" on the cartoons
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/...1642&
#paginator
oh dear- its "fully moderated"...
Grimer:
Where was the outrage from Muslim nations when this little beauty was published?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmi...ives/
007489.php
archduke:
grimer - that sort of thing is published every day in middle eastern newspapers. the very same newspapers that were screaming for the Danish boycott.
archduke:
MPAC UK is calling for a boycott of everything Danish:
http://www.mpacuk.org/content/vi...t/view/1336/33/
see the double standards at work here? blame an ENTIRE people for one newspaper - but yet we're not supposed to blame every Muslim for the latest terrorist bombing?
Hypocrites of the highest order.
disillusioned_german:
Archduke: And they're muslims who live in the UK. How about a boycott of all muslim products (not sure what kind of products are actually out there but still) now?
archduke:
well, besides oil - "made in pakistan" t-shirts? there's not much else i can think of.
Thom Boston:
I may be a liberal moonbat, but may I just say I could not agree more with archduke's comment about double standards. It is always ridiculous to define people in such broad catagories; "the English are like this"; "the French are like this"; "Christians are like this"; "Muslims are like this." It's nonsense - we are all sentient beings, and should be defined on such terms - by what we do, not by what others superficially like us do.
archduke:
these are some of the cartoons that appear in Arab media:
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/
Ara...rabCartoons.htm
disillusioned_german:
Thom Boston: How come that more muslims self-explode than anyone else? I can see a common denominator there, can't you?
Would you invite a bearded guy with a coffee filter on his head and a rucksack on his back into your home? If so - you're a brave man.
archduke:
i'd give him a cup of tea, and try to introduce him to humanist and buddhist writings.
but he might have exploded by then, so, maybe not.
disillusioned_german:
Susan was right... it's not the British Broadcasting Corporation but the Islamic Broadcasting Corporation.
I think we should send loads of emails to Fox News in order to explain the situation. Fox News doesn't like the IBC and they'd jump at the chance to feature their censorship, I'd like to think.
JJSH:
I cannot believe people have missed the obvious double standard here ~ when reporting on this, the Beeb censors out, and doesn't show the 'offensive' cartoons, which are popular art.
During the 'Jerry Springer' play outrage, they not only broadcasted a play, or piece of popular art, regarded as offensive to Christians, but funded it as well.
During the 'Springer' story, much was made of the 'threatening' emails sent to the shows producers, and other BBC lovies. NO COVERAGE WHATSOEVER has been given to the Danes ACTUALLY assaulted in the Middle East.
100%, irrefutable BIAS. Time for the BBC to close.
archduke:
"I think we should send loads of emails to Fox News in order to explain the situation. Fox News doesn't like the IBC and they'd jump at the chance to feature their censorship"
sorry disillusioned_german, but a major shareholder in Fox news is a Saudi prince
have a read of this - its about how a Saudi prince made one phonecall, and fox news changed its headlines:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
france...1665621,00.html
Grimer:
these are some of the cartoons that appear in Arab media:
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ Ara...rabCartoons.htm
archduke | Homepage | 01.02.06 - 10:07 pm | #
I demand an apology from the entire Muslim world. No muslims had better come to London until I receive an apology. I will also be boycotting all Muslim products until I receive the apology. Death to Muslims.
Oh, hang on.... they're just cartoons.
archduke:
sorry if this was pointed out before, but here's a UK muslim site calling for a "boycott jihad" (ha!ha!)
read it - see how worked up they get over , err, some cartoons...
http://www.mpacuk.org/content/vi...t/view/1336/33/
the term "lost their marbles" comes to mind.
disillusioned_german:
Archduke: I'm aware of that saudi prince but the question is "how much clout does he actually hold?" I'll keep a close eye on what Fox News will report within the next few says.
the_camp_commandant:
@disillusioned_german
How about a boycott of all muslim products (not sure what kind of products are actually out there but still) now?
Er...oil?
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