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archduke:
thanks for highlighting that one Laban.
its a most bizarre state of affairs. if anyone can dig up some more on this story, i'm all ears.
Rob Read:
One of the other things I refuse to do is fill in the census...
John Tomlinson:
I followed the link and sent an e-mail to the Nat Stats office asking where the missing tick box was for English people. I'll post the response (if any).
I further note that the census asks for ethnic background and the BBC report, if truthful (Ha!), states that the census is used "to decide how to allocate local authority cash and where to site schools, old people's homes, shops and neighbourhood renewal programmes." Please will someone explain to a thick Englishman(!)how ethnic background matters in relation to these issues?
Archonix:
According to official EU maps there's no such country as England. We're one of the regions now, but not England.
archduke:
does that mean that we Irish have won the 800 year war so?
ooops - raw nerve. sorry!
Rob Read:
John Tomlinson,
It's to make sure the elders don't have to live with the kaffirs in places like Tower Hamlets.
will:
Please will someone explain to a thick Englishman(!)how ethnic background matters in relation to these issues?
e.g. Ethnic minority children, or born of parent(s) originating abroard will be deemed to require additional educational resources. The local authority's spending target will be raised, attracting additional central government grant (thereby equalising council tax between all authorities spending at the target).
will:
Anatole Kaletsky writing in The Times notes the Beeboids being sold on a statist & left elitist approach to tackling CO2 emissions.
On the Today programme, for example, I recently heard the interviewer claiming, to a beleaguered representative of the Government or some pro-business lobby, that air travel was set to become the biggest single contributor to global warming. So why was the Government not taking some action to stop people flying? When it was pointed out that, according to the best estimates, air travel would create only 5 per cent of global carbon emissions by 2050, the interviewer seamlessly and quite unrepentantly changed his story: “Yes, but flying is the fastest growing cause of climate change” — a statistic that could only be true because aircraft emissions are increasing from such a low, almost infinitesimal, starting point, at present accounting for just 2 per cent of global CO2.
Why do I raise this issue? Because the debate on air travel suggests that many people in Britain, including most of the media and large parts of the political elite, still see the world through a Marxist prism: they still distrust economic incentives and market forces, preferring a benign, omniscient government to solve all social problems. Worst of all, they still feel instinctively that society is in a permanent state of class war.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
art...2076727,00.html
archduke:
sigh - indeed will. i will stick my two fingers up to that as i jet off to a greek island this summer.
Toque:
Take the pledge
dumbcisco:
will Kaletsky is a an excellent economist.
As he says, media people like the BBC see everything through a Marxist prism. Air travel is bad essentially because the rich do it. So lets hammer it.
Bryan:
The World Service, quoting Chief Inspector of Prisons Anne Owers, was also guilty of a serious omission or three in its report last night on Belmarsh. [My emphasis in bold.]
"There's a tendency just to think of black and minority ethnic prisoners as a group. To monitor them as a group. What our own ....found when we did it last year was the experiences of Asian prisoners for example and Afro-Caribbean prisoners are very different. Asian prisoners are much more likely to be unsafe. And guards need to be alert to these things and they need to be alert to what is actually going on with all their prisoner groups including the Muslim prisoners and we found that they weren't."
The "all" here is especially interesting - evidently thrown in to provide an illusion of balance and fair play. Why are all these groups not named? What are their needs?
The BBC are trying to spin this story so hard that they are tripping over themselves and contradicting themselves and squeezing all meaning out of the spin:
On the World Service they quote Owers as saying that there is not enough understanding of the needs of Muslim prisoners and that there is evidence that bullying among Muslim prisoners is going unreported.
But in yesterday's BBC News report they simply state that there is evidence of bullying.
So Muslims are either bullying one another or they are being bullied by some vague, unspecified group.
In the same news report they quote Owers as saying that the prison's high security and special security units were at full stretch, holding among others those suspected of the failed suicide bomb attempts of July.
But in the World Service report they excise that last revealing bit of information. Here's what happened to Ower's statement after the World Service had chewed and swallowed and regurgitated it: The most secure units at the jail are said to be operating at full stretch.
It's always so revealing when the BBC takes refuge in the passive voice. But it's especially devious here because the WS goes straight on to quote Owers on an unrelated issue.
The BBC appears to be obsessed with Belmarsh. Searching Google with Belmarsh site: news.bbc.co.uk (thanks to Archduke for the tip) reveals nearly 10 000 entries.
Rick:
It is obvious that on the Census (which will probably not take place amidst the smouldering ruins of Londonistan) that you must enter your ethnicity as "Black-Irish" since only then will you get better policing, higher spending, better street-lighting; and fool the Political Elite that they have eradicated the White inhabitants of the islands
archduke:
rick-> black irish , and divorced. and feckless -so get impregnanting all those women in your locality and ensure your off license has a bumper trade. also, develop a crack habit.
and convert to Islam for good measure.
bingo - better street lighting and more cops.
Rob:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/busin...ess/
4070112.stm
"The widely accepted definition of poverty is having an income which is less than 60% of the national average (excluding the wealthiest members of society)."
Really? That is a "widely accepted definition"? How can we have a meritocratic society when to have an income of more that half the average means you are in "poverty"?
dumbcisco - air travel is hated by the metropolitan elite not because the rich use it but because the "unwashed masses" use it. Behind the thin veneer of fake concern for the working class, the Guardian, BBC et all really detest them and want them kept in their place, i.e. suitably grateful welfare recipients.
Sarge uncensored:
More from The Times Letters to the Editor
e Times March 09, 2006
BBC £180 licence fee
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
art...2076453,00.html
Sir, At the end of last week the House of Lords Select Committee on the BBC Charter Review published a report expressing concern at the rise in the licence fee.
We pointed out that each year since 1998 the licence fee has risen by more than the retail price index and that the BBC’s present proposals mean increases of RPI plus at least 2.3 per cent for the next seven years.
We said that this would result at the end of the period in a licence fee costing £180 in cash terms and the public contributing more than £4 billion a year to the BBC.
The committee supports the principle of the licence fee but is concerned that if it continues to rise in cost at twice the rate of inflation public support will be eroded.
Replying in radio interviews to our concern, Caroline Thompson, the BBC’s director of policy, said that she did not “recognise” the £180 figure.
I think it is important that there should be at least some agreement on what the likely effect will be of the BBC bid.
On January 28, 2006, I asked that question at one of our public evidence taking sessions.
I was told: “In real terms it would mean a licence fee of about £150 in today’s money. If you take a median view of RPI over the period, probably a headline number at the end of seven years of around £180.”
The man who gave that answer was Mark Thompson, the Director-General of the BBC.
NORMAN FOWLER
Chairman, House of Lords
Select Committee on the BBC Charter Review
Sarah W.:
This was the top story on BBC London news!
'The Menezes family to meets the Brazilain president '
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/47.../uk/
4787968.stm
archduke:
"air travel is hated by the metropolitan elite not because the rich use it but because the "unwashed masses" use it."
and it took a Greek and an Irish man to bring it to the masses.
says it all about the British class system, doesnt it?
Rob:
Regarding the BBC's hypocritical position on air travel, don't they send vast numbers of staff (reporters, cameramen, etc) to trouble spots around the world, far more than competitor companies like CNN send? I can remember reading opinion articles about this, but cannot find any.
The BBC themselves could make a massive contribution to reducing global warming from aircraft emissions by reducing their "junket allowance".
Sarah W.:
Regarding this thread, you only have to look at the BBC London's communities section, to see that the English are not represented. there's a section for Cockney's, but the Beeb go at great lengths to state that -
"Cockneys are defined by their specific place of birth. In the past, most of them might have been of Jewish origin. Now a "real" Cockney has a good chance to be a Muslim. Times change, Cockneys change...but they stay!"
Anyone would get the impression that the BBC hates the white English, and wants them ethnically cleansed from London and these Isles.
Eamonn:
The BBC asks "Should we have a shoot-to-kill policy?" Here is a balance of the comments we have received so far:-
"The so-called war on terror kills yet another innocent - perhaps this is more of Bush and Blair's collateral damage"
Dewi, Merthyr Tydfil Peace movement.
"Blair lied and still people are dying."
Kevin, Sittingbourne Stop the War.
"The Brazillian's human rights were tramped on by the police and Blair's increasingly repressive Government"
Bruce, Pax Christi.
"Clearly the Americans and their Zionist henchmen are behind this".
Mo, Tipton MAB.
OK, but you get the point.
Now reality:- Most recommended:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talki...int/
default.stm
"Should we abandon the shoot-to-kill policy? Only if the terroists abandon their bomb-to-kill policy!"
"What other choices do the police have? Damned if they do, damned if they don't. The blame lies ENTIRELY with the fascism of the suicide bombers that have dragged humanity down to this level."
archduke:
"the BBC hates the white English"
more specifically - the white working class English.
do read Animal Farm. it'll explain a lot.
back to the BBC - "Today"
0709: UN, Hilary Benn
("UN good, Africa is all our fault")
0712: Government has not met its target to reduce child poverty
("The government is the solution. The government is the solution")
0731: Burma - "looking at the impact of the regmine on the ENVIRONMENT"
("we're all going to die in a Burmese global warming disaster")
0748 South Dakota , abortion
("We hate America.")
0810 child poverty
("government is the solution")
0820 cold war. labour and the communists
(how did that one slip in?)
0830 EU energy policy
("unelected EU commission = doubleplusgood. we'll all die if they dont do something")
0833 badger culling
("we're all going to die in a mass badger culling global warming disaster")
0840 child murderers
("we're so depressed by the previous stories, we though we'd just go suicidal and seriously piss off the start of your day")
Sarge uncensored:
Eamonn
On another thread I explained how Police Officers have been unable to put down suspects who are high on drugs even after six shots to the "engine room" (the chest cavity, heart and lungs). By this time the Officer has to reload and that is not easy under duress. As a result the single head shot (usually through the eye) has been refined when dealing with "must kill" suspects. You cannot afford to give them a second chance.
Pete_London:
Unlike Rob Read I shall be doing my duty and will fill out the census form in 2011.
I'll take a red marker and write "NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS" across every page.
Sarge uncensored:
"Cockneys are defined by their specific place of birth. In the past, most of them might have been of Jewish origin."
Gawd elp us mate
This is typical of modern day BBC type thinking, a contradictory misleading statement masquerading as fact.
1. If they are Jewish, they would have been born in Israel
2. Cockneys are defined by having been born within the sound of Bow Bells Church.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockney
Cockneys are, in the loosest sense of the word, working-class inhabitants of Greater London. But according to tradition, the strict definition is limited to those born within earshot (generally taken to be three miles) of the Bow bells, in other words the bells of St Mary-Le-Bow, Cheapside.
I add: Regardless of race or creed.
archduke:
regarding earlier comments on the BBC-Brown lovefest
George Osborne gives a different take (i wonder if this will make it onto the BBC? ):
http://news.independent.co.uk/
uk...ticle350112.ece
Gordon Brown is an "unpleasant" person who is not liked by many of his fellow ministers, George Osborne, the Shadow Chancellor, claimed yesterday.
"It seems to me he has been nothing but unpleasant in his dealings with me"
At other times, he said, Mr Brown has deliberately ignored him, passing him in the corridor "without a flicker of recognition".
Sarge uncensored:
Air Travel/pollution/generally.
I asked the pilot of a four engine jet what the fuel consumption was. I expected " X miles an hour" In fact he said it is nearer "80 gallons a minute"
I asked the captain of a cruise liner what the fuel consumption was. He said " One tonne of heavy fuel oil a metre"
Having seen the size of an aviation fuel bowser and cruise ship fuel barge (about the size of a football field) I tend to believe them.
You work out the math.
Rob Read:
Pete_London,
I hope you are doing your "duty" with the TV-Tax.?.
Sarge uncensored:
Rob Read
Soon to be TV/PC tax
Grimer:
Does anybody have a full copy of Patrick Sookhdeo's article that was removed from the Telegraph?
Susan kindly posted the majority of the article, but the end seems to have been chopped off (maybe HaloScan has a maximum comment length?)
archduke:
grimer - its posted in full here:
http://exposingislam.blogspot.co...sh-
muslims.html
Pete_London:
Rob Read
I've been doing my duty regarding the TV Tax for 6 years and I feel better about it with each passing day.
Of course, I don't send back the ever fewer demands I get with abusive messages scrawled across them, they just go straight in the bin.
I say they go straight in the bin. What I mean is they used to go straight in the bin. It must be a good 18 months since I last had a notice of extortion.
Wotsgoingon:
I tend to refer to myself as indigenous English. It gets their heads in a spin because in their lexicon indigenous is good and English is bad.
Bryan:
Grimer,
Maybe this is the one you're looking for:
http://www.barnabasfund.org/77re.../
77response.htm
Peregrine:
OT but with reference to Today talking about badgers.
I am pretty ambivalent towards the culling of badgers and believe that livestock management has an equally significant part to play in reducing the spread of Bovine TB. So out of interest I thought I would see what the BBC’s position on culling is. Here are the last seven headlines for items on the culling of badgers and the originators of the items.
'Hedges not cull' for cattle TB - Wildlife Conservation Research Unit
Activists oppose badger cull move - South West Green Party
'No preparations' for badger cull - Cornwall Wildlife Trust
'Back off badgers', urges RSPCA - RSPCA
Badger culling plans criticised - Professor John Bourne – Government Adviser. Prof. Bourne is someone who knows what he is talking about but has come into conflict with the Government over some of the statements in their latest consultation on the subject.
Badger group plans cull response - West Country Badger Action Group
Badger culls among anti-TB plans
This last one, dated 15th December, is the latest that I can find that has not been generated by an anti-cull pressure group or someone who disagrees with culling as a sole strategy.
The NFU, who are generally supportive of culling, get the odd mention and Defra are quoted making bland comments about consultation, however, it is clear that the BBC have a line on culling and that is ready to give a platform to those that oppose it.
dumbcisco:
The BBC World Service homepage has a link about the Varanasi (Benares), temple bombing that hit a wedding party. The link says :
'Militants behind' India blasts
BBC having trouble with the T word again ?
The story itself includes :
Police say they suspect a militant group fighting Indian rule in Kashmir was behind the blasts.
The words Islamist and terror do not occur until the second part of the story. And even then, the BBC reporter quoted states 'But those groups.... have always said they never attack civilian targets.' OUTRIGHT LIE BY THE ISLAMISTS, MEEKLY ACCEPTED BY THE BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...sia/
4788350.stm
dumbcisco:
Another Have Your Say slot on Islam - and once again a lot of the recommended comments are hostile to the way the BBC treats issues and to multiculti preference being given to Muslims.
In the past week I got myself a login-name for all these pages, so it isa now easy to cruise down the comments pages adding recs to swell the tide of anti-BBC opinion. It is notable how much of this is indigenous Brits - while much of the other side is Muslims living abroad telling us how we should run our country.
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/...3520&
#paginator
Grimer:
Thanks Archduke. That's the one I was looking for.
Thanks Bryan. I'd already got that one.
archduke:
that bbc reporter must be clueless, an idiot, or a Muslim himself.
the Hindu/Islam conflict goes back several hundred years.
Does that idiot know anything about how the Sikhs came into existence?
(heres a hint: kashmir. islamic invaders. lots of massacres)
Sarge uncensored:
Peregrine
Only to be expected, it fits the anti fox hunting and anti animal testing jigsaw. How we are going to nail bird flu without testing birds is a mystery to me. On the whole animal luvvies and BBC types were opposed to the foot and mouth slaughter.
Up until the 1960's milk was still being sold to the public which was taken from tuberculosis infected cows. Admittedly it was segregated by cost to the farmer. The farmer was paid more for TB free milk. Nowadays practically all herds are TB free but it is on the increase.
Every time a dead badger is found it must be examined by a Home Office pathologist, every time TB is discovered.
Cows udders are prone to mastitis infection which is treated with penicillin. it is at the discretion of the farmer as to how soon after an infection has been diagnosed that he can put the milk back in the food chain.
Anonymous:
1210, Thursday.
'English' has appeared in the first paragraph!!!
Ian Barnes:
ID Cards are yet another move towards the Police Control state that this govt have been imposing on us all.
They control the Law Courts, They Control the media, and soon they'll know what each and everyone of us does, eats, moves, sleeps.
With CCTV Going up everywhere, ID Cards, phone tap monitoring of MPs and public officials...its is becoming very worrying indeed...maybe not now, but in 10 years time when the full consequences of the Control Freakery installed by No.10 are fully implemented, it will be a dark day in British Democracy.
Pete_London:
Anon
In my meek, humble way I take claim responsibility for getting English into the first paragragh.
The next sentence mentions Joy Dobbs of the ONS. I rang her to point out the absurdity of excluding 'English' from the census forms (which shall, of course, be disfigured by red ink).
Well Joy Dobbs tells me that during the press briefing from where the BBC got that quote she did mention 'English'! She finished by saying that she'll get onto the BBC and get the quote changed.
The BBC - always ready and willing to misrepresent.
dumbcisco:
Here is the link to the audio for the first prog of the trilogy on Angry Muslims In Europe series that started yesterday :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/progr...ive/
4785606.stm
Roger Hardy says he will be looking for the roots of Muslim anger - and terrorism like those nice Beeston lads you could have left your house keys with. I bet he doesn't say the Koranic teachings the kids are fed with from birth, plus lots of trips to angry madrassas in Pakistan. But its all our fault, of course.
The programme lets the Beeston folk look back fondly on the bombers. And a lot of the prog comes across largely as an apologia for terrorism.
The most ludicrous quote is where he says that young Muslims played a 'prominent' part in the Paris riots. Prominent ? They WERE the riots.
Namby-pamby bloody BBC nonsense so far, lots of false moral relativism, and tacit acceptance of the victim mentality that is used as an excuse for bad behaviour across the spectrum from riots to bombings.
Hardy presumably gets paid bundles as the BBC's so-called expert on Muslims. His work output will be miniscule, and certainly this first prog is just a serving of warmed-over platitudes and Muslim gripes.
dumbcisco:
Con Coughlin in the Telegraph tears away the glib cover used by Moazzim Begg in all his appearances on BBC such as Andrew Marr's Start the Week.
Will the BBC put out a correction ? The former chief political correspondent of the BBC, hosting a major weekly prog, allows total lies to be put out by a guy who is in essence part of the Al Q mix.
http://telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../09/
ixhome.html
dumbcisco:
Oh - and tonught we get the same glib lies from the tipton creeps on Channel 4 in The Road to Guantanamo
Grimer:
If anybody missed it last night, Tory! Tory! Tory! is available online.
I only saw one episode of Lefties, so I'm no sure how 'balanced' the two series are. There is a bit of sneering in the first episode.
http://www.mininova.org/tor/246940
dumbcisco:
Grimer
It was not a bad account of the Tories in the Heath years and how the move to "Thatcherism" started, IMHO
Socialism is Necrotizing:
Imagine the BBC in charge of immigration policy, how would I do?
Christian
White
Male
Straight
Capitalist
Conservative
conservative
Hunt Foxes
Drive Fast Cars
Fly Often
Eat Animals, especially cute ones
Support Bush
Support Nation States
Support UK Troops
Grimer:
On the BBC points system, you'd probably get:
Christian -2
White -2
Male -2
Straight -3
Capitalist -5
Conservative -5
conservative -5
Hunt Foxes -8
Drive Fast Cars -5
Fly Often -5
Eat Animals, especially cute ones -1
Support Bush -10
Support Nation States -5
Support UK Troops - 5
Total score -63
I can't see you being allowed in I'm afraid.
dumbcisco:
Channel 4 is showing the Tipton Traitors' sob-story tonight. It happens that BBC2 is just starting the old film Carve Her Name with Pride - about the heroism of Violette Szabo GC.
To think - she died so that traitorous lying scum like the Tipton Three and Moazzim Begg can have the freedom to be treated as honoured guests by the BBC and others.
dumbcisco:
The Michael Winterbottom film on the Tipton Traitors is getting the full treatment, trailers all over the shop.
Like this awful juxtaposition.
http://
entertainment.timesonline...2062659,00.html
Just happens to be in the same week as all the moazzim Begg adulation on the BBC.
Winterbottom is described as "award-winning". I immediately thought of George Clooney and his inflammatory and lying movie Syriana. So I typed in 'Michael Winterbottom liberal' to google.
Hey presto, the first link is to the pornography he produces.
http://www.indiewire.com/movies/
...050719nine.html
Great - a licenced UK TV channel lets a director of pornography give us the "official" briefing on the Tipton Traitors. Reuters describes him as the UK's answer to Michael Moore. That at least warns us to expect lots of lies and twisted anti-US propaganda.
http://today.reuters.com/news/ne...ANTANAMO-
DC.XML
archduke:
violette szabo bio:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vio.../
Violette_Szabo
thought of as the definitive World War II code-poem Yours.
"In 1940, Violette married Etienne Szabo, a French officer. Shortly after the birth of their only child, Tania, he was killed at the Battle of El Alamein. This was the event that caused Violette to offer her services to the SOE."
she has a child - her ONLY one - and yet she volunteers to fight for freedom and liberty, so that her child could grow up in a Nazi free Europe.
no wonder she got the George Cross posthumously.
Eamonn:
Want a UN love-in?
Well go along to Simon Mayo's programme on 5 Live and listen in.
It's all very supportive of UN structures, very negative about the USA and Iraq, and, of course, non-critical of Iran etc.
Mush, mush, mush. How do the BBC get away with this stuff? On my licence fee?
archduke:
Eamonn -> if it was balanced by a right-wing version of Simon Mayo's programme, i wouldnt have a problem.
the problem with bbc is that it sees itself as "impartial" - so therefore it chooses what it thinks is the centre-ground.
the trouble is, what it thinks is the "centre ground" is actually the left.
Socialism is Necrotizing:
Just got a free copy of The Guardian through the letterbox with an invitation to "try it for free".
With the likes of Monbiot and Toynbee as regular contributors its little wonder that they cant even give this shit away.
This is what would happen to Al Beeb if ever it were to go to voluntary subscription - people would say "No Thanks" in thier millions.
Perhaps Mozz Begg could move in with the Marrs and they could all claim housinng benefit.
Ian Morrison:
read inside the asylum by jed babin. Very funny anti-UN and old Europe book.
UN=Multilateralism=Appeasement
dumbcisco:
Here is a review of The Road to Gitmo. Sounds like a good old hate-the-US fest.
http://www.chronwatch.com/conten...y.asp?
aid=19729
Maybe we will have it all re-hashed on Newsnight Review, or on the Radio 4 arts review at 7.15.. Kirsty Wark would lap it up.
But hold on - if Newsnight does cover it as an arts event of the week, will they refer to the Telegraph article today pointing out that the Tipton Traitors and M Begg are known liars, simply following the Al Q Manchester instruction manual ? Will they even refer to the fact that there are many, many comparisons of Winterbottom's techniques of "propaganda presented as documentary" with Michael Moore's stuff. Will pigs fly ?
Ian Morrison:
Some nursery schools in Oxfordshire, England, have taken offense to classic nursery rhymes like, "Baa Baa Black Sheep" so they're teaching children to sing, "Baa Baa, Rainbow Sheep," instead. The Times of London reports teachers have also dropped the seven dwarfs from the title of "Snow White," and changed the ending of Humpty Dumpty — letting all the king's men put Humpty back together again after all. The manager of two area nursery schools says he's just promoting equal opportunity, saying, "No one should feel pointed out because of their race, gender, or anything else." -from fox news
More PC crap, what the hell does humpty have to with race and gender.
David H:
Excellent post over at Civitas: BBC should be stripped of its public service broadcasting status.
This concerns a programme put out on BBC about the 'Lttle Kinsey' Mass Observation survey of British sexual attitudes in 1949. The BBC programme claims that the report was kept secret and hidden away (not true) because of the way in which it illustrated the lax moral attitudes of the time. However, in a brilliantly structured essay, Civitas refutes the BBC's claims line by line. The BBC uses the figures in order to depict post-war Britain as a den of iniquity - I sense an agenda here - the only problem being that, as Civitas shows, on every substantive point they have fiddled the figures.
As Civitas Director Norman Dennis puts it: 'The way in which documentary evidence was used to give an impression that was almost the reverse, on every important point, of the actual findings of the Mass Observation 1949 survey must call into question the status of the BBC.'
Nice to see the BBC caught bang to rights.
dumbcisco:
A good fisking by Nick Cohen (himself a leftie) of all the leftie treatment of the Gitmo Traitors :
http://www.islamophobia-watch.co...ical-
islam.html
Metropolitan blindness. Even when the Islamists bomb us, their apologists in the media and on the left refuse to see the obvious - and are then given loads of airtime to browbeat the licence payers.
archduke:
the "baa baa rainbow sheep" is somewhat incorrect and out of context.
the nursery school in question has said that its just a wordplay - the kids start off with the nursery rhyme, and then play around with the words so as to increase the vocab.
like "baa baa black cow" or "one for the little girl who lives down the lane" and so on and so forth.
sometimes theres false p.c. stories - and sometimes there isnt.
i'm more worried about the PC Plod type of political correctness. thats vastly more dangerous than nursery rhymes.
D Burbage:
David H
Let's see if the Today Programme puts the programme producers under the spotlight for damaging the BBC's reputation as an unbiased and factually accurate broadcaster, also inviting Civitas to debate the matter.
25/1 against?
Grimer:
What on earth does Baa Baa Black Sheep have to do with race?
It's a rhyme about a sheep and some wool. That's all it ever was/is/will be. It's stories like this that make me despair for the future.
Has everybody lost their funking minds?
dumbcisco:
250/1 ?
Pete_London:
dumbcisco
Thanks for the link to Nick Cohen. As you say, he's undeniably a Leftist. And how does he begin?
By Nick Cohen
Evening Standard, 8 March 2006
When Radio 4 invited the exeditor of the Erotic Review to analyse The Road to Guantanamo, a vague notion that had been bubbling in my mind for months became a certainty. Liberal London has gone mad. It has cut its last mooring with rational debate and is floating away on a sea of self-delusion.
Welcome aboard, Nick old boy. And 'Liberal London' it most certainly is.
Stoaty:
We have had terrorist plumbers acquiring Uzis for their fundamentalist plumbing aims, now we have terrorist students http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/47.../uk/
4787368.stm
Rick:
Yes Stoaty but these students were exporting terrorism - this is the agreement they have with MI5 - the Beeston Boys fouled their own nest by riding the Tube to Paradise
archduke:
Grimer -> see my post above at 2:15
archduke:
"It has cut its last mooring with rational debate and is floating away on a sea of self-delusion."
what a fantastic piece of prose.
welcome aboard Mr Cohen.
dumbcisco:
Nick Cohen has been writing eloquently in this vein for some time. It is the left's refusal to recognise Islamofascism for what it is, and the degree of the threat, that has caused his change of heart. If sharia law ever took hold in Londonistan, the lefties and their causes - gay rights, women's rights - would be the first to be strung up.
But still most on the left are still blind - which explains the passion of people like Cohen, David Aaronovitch, Chrisopher Hitchens, Norman Geras.
Who knows - we might even get Germaine Greer and Kirsty Wark onside someday !
Eamonn:
"If sharia law ever took hold in Londonistan, the lefties ....would be the first to be strung up."
Hey, doesn't sound so bad. Where do I sign up?
Rob Read:
Mr Cohen sounds like he could make a full recovery from the mental illness that is leftism.
Rob Read:
I'd rather change sides than be on the same side as sexist Germaine Greer and Kirsty Wark.
Eamonn:
The UN, doing what it does best:-
http://www.jnewswire.com/library...?
articleid=1020
Almost completely disregarding Palestinian Arab aggression against Israel's Jews, a United Nations envoy has sought to lay the blame for regional conflict at the doorstep of the Jewish state by misrepresenting and exaggerating Israel's defensive measures and isolated acts of frustration.
archduke:
"Who knows - we might even get Germaine Greer and Kirsty Wark onside someday !"
i would say Miss Greer is getting closer and closer to coming over to our side. On Question Time a few weeks ago argued , quite forcefully, for staying in Iraq until it was sorted out.
Lord Tebbit (pbuh) argued for a pull out.
no - i'm not making this up.
dumbcisco:
You could make an interesting TV programme about the sharp contrast between lefties like Clare Short, Ken Livingstone and George Galloway who cleave to the Islamofascists, and guys like Aaranovitch and both Hitchens and Cohen.
Here's a working title - "The UK NeoCons"
Reckon the BBC would fund it ? reckon I'll be invited to the next BH Garden Party ?
dumbcisco:
The BBC can get away with its crap on Iraq and Gitmo etc because most of the Tories have gone weak-kneed and weaselly.
Susan:
The worst thing about "baa baa rainbow sheep" is that it doesn't scan with the meter of the poem, so it clearly doesn't fit. Its sound is awkward and stupid.
"Baa baa black" sheep fits the poem's meter perfectly, plus it's alliterative, and that's no doubt why it was used in the poem in the first place.
Stupid illiterate, poem-destroying lefties. They see race in everything, when it's really all about meter and alliteration and other poetic devices.
Rick:
ABC and washington Post have done a Poll and found that 46% Americans have a negative view of Islam !!!
The great Juan Cole has decided that people react this way because of politicians and media influences.
Extraordinary, noone can explain what the other 54% think. Have they been brainwashed by liberal newspapers like the Washington Post into having positive views of Islam ? Or has Hollywwod and ABC so befuddled them that they are mindless "Don't knows" ?
Rick:
i would say Miss Greer is getting closer and closer to coming over to our side.
Your side maybe........I don't want Greer anywhere out of sight
Susan:
British taxpayers to foot the bill for laptop computers to terror suspects at Belmarsh:
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/vie...08-012022-
9855r
I don't understand why British taxpayers aren't rioting in the streets, what with being forced to pay for every financial indulgence and whim for numerous thugs who want to kill them, and with being forced to fund a fifth columnist propaganda outlet masquerading as a "news" organization.
Susan:
And also being forced to fund a police force that evidently cares more about raiding politically incorrect toystores and protecting horses from being called gay, than it does about public safety and property rights.
Susan:
And a public school system that cares more about (badly) rewriting ancient nursery rhymes than ensuring that their children learn to read.
archduke:
susan -> $50,000 divided by 28 =
$1785 per laptop.
thats top of range.
archduke:
susan -> it was a nursery school.
lets not go over-the-top here.
archduke:
"And also being forced to fund a police force that evidently cares more about raiding politically incorrect toystores and protecting horses from being called gay, than it does about public safety and property rights."
on that , i cant disagree with you.
Pete_London:
Very much off topic, I'm just posting because it made me laugh. From Blogner Regis:
Labour donor 'distressed' by peerage snub
By Christopher Hope, Industry Editor
(Filed: 09/03/2006)
A businessman who gave £10,000 to Labour but was rejected for a peerage said last night that he wondered whether it was worth giving money to the party.
All together now .....
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/.../
ixnewstop.html
MacFindlay:
It’s often easy to fall into the trap of seeing conspiracies where there aren’t any. On the other hand there are times when we can fail to join the dots to build a picture of what’s really happening. In the case of the BBC the latter seems much more probable. The pro-Islam bias on the BBC is so pervasive and systemic that you could see this as the result of a covert and deliberate plan by some Islamist organisations to infiltrate the BBC and other MSM outlets. Are there groups that are specifically targeting the BBC in order to indoctrinate the public in Ministry of Truth fashion and filter out news and views that do not present Islam in the best light; groups which are using the BBC as one of the key planks of the expansionist strategy?
It is not clear whether BBC’s diversity monitoring collects information on the religion of employees (they do monitor ethnicity, but this is not the same) and whether this data can be extracted from them under the Freedom of Information Act. If so it would be interesting to see if the number of such employees in the BBC were proportionate to the UK population at large, ie around 3%. And it would be especially interesting to see the breakdown for the BBC’s News department.
Not that weight of numbers is sufficient in itself. It just needs a few single-minded and guileful individuals, tactically placed, who are able to manipulate the internal culture and other employees to ensure their belief system predominates. Has the BBC its own, more subtle version of the Muslim boys in its ranks?
Or am I just being paranoid?
dumbcisco:
Susan
You have missed the latest episode of Our Island Story. From the nation that stood alone against the Nazis for nearly two years, we now have :
http://telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../09/
ixhome.html
dumbcisco:
MacFindlay
What you say is hugely important. It seems obvious that so much of the news is being skewed, sanitised by the BBC. WHO AT WORKING LEVEL IS DOING THIS, AND HOW ?
Rick:
Susan these poor benighted souls have to prepare their cases.........why they can't use these wind-up laptops I don't know, then they would get exercise.
Just why it costs so much beats me - they should give them dumb terminals and have a central hard disk so they cannot store information and hide stuff.
But knowing ToyTown they will probably let them out on day release so they can choose their own.
dumbcisco:
It is appalling that they should be GIVEN laptops. Of any sort.
Sheesh, to hear this on a day when the news is that Blair is failing to meet the targets for raising kids out of poverty ! And old people are having to sell their homes to pay for health care.
Pete_London:
Just why it costs so much beats me - they should give them dumb terminals and have a central hard disk so they cannot store information and hide stuff.
Huh? They should be given a bowl of rice a day and a fuckin sledgehammer and told to break rocks.
dumbcisco:
Rumsfeld and army chiefs giving the real deal on Iraq LIVE on CSpan :
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspa...Cat=TV&
Code=CS3
archduke:
macfindlay -> its more like 10 per cent. greg dyke said so. the target is about 12 to 13%
dumbcisco:
Plus Condi.
But Rmmy is eye candy and intellectual stimulus enough for one day !
Susan:
Huh? They should be given a bowl of rice a day and a fuckin sledgehammer and told to break rocks.
You got it, Pete.
Susan:
You have missed the latest episode of Our Island Story. From the nation that stood alone against the Nazis for nearly two years, we now have
Good god. If I were the victim of a real crime in Britain I would be self-immolating with rage right now on the waste of manpower for this b.s.
archduke:
susan -> well , deduct the "police" bit from your council tax and refuse to pay that portion.
if enough people did it, they might pay attention.
amimissingsomething:
Hardy presumably gets paid bundles as the BBC's so-called expert on Muslims. His work output will be miniscule, and certainly this first prog is just a serving of warmed-over platitudes and Muslim gripes.
dumbcisco | 09.03.06 - 12:40 pm |
i heard the "trailer" for this series on world service...in it, the question is put, with reference to the french riots last november, "what has europe learned?"
i inferred it meant "about europe's mistakes and shortcomings"
nothing i've heard so far suggests it implied otherwise
may my country never have to endure such
dumbcisco:
The Indians formed the Sikhs as a warrior group to fight back.
We have Archbishop Carey, the new nutter Archbish in York, Charles Clarke as Home Secy and Sir Ian Blair.
Plus the BBC imposing a news blackout, riddled with fifth columnists.
Gawd Help Us
Susan:
i heard the "trailer" for this series on world service...in it, the question is put, with reference to the french riots last november, "what has europe learned?"
The onus of "learning" anything should be on the rioters, methinks. But I'm afraid the only thing they've learned is how easy it is to scam foolish white self-loathing liberals.
The thing that revolted me the most about the Beeb's (and other MSM's) coverage of the riots was that no attention was paid to the real victims -- the hardworking people, both Muslim and non-Muslim, who lost their small businesses, their cars, their schools, their nurseries and of course the three people who lost their lives. The car-be-ques weren't a joke -- people depend on cars for their livelihood and cars aren't cheap to come by in Europe. Imagine being a single mom depending on some old rattle-trap car for your livelihood and getting the kids to school and boom! it goes up in a car-be-que. And even if you have insurance you might not be able to find another cheap car for the value the insurance company put on your old one. It just makes me sick how these thugs are justified and petted and preened by the media while the real victims are ignored.
susan -> well , deduct the "police" bit from your council tax and refuse to pay that portion.
I'd love to, but I'm a Yank from California, your grace.
I just have a strange un-Yank-like fascination with goings-on in the Motherland.
dumbcisco:
Next time you hear someone on the BBC spouting about its all our fault, it all dates back to those wicked Crusades, Islamic domination in parts of europe was a breeze, lots of toleration etc etc, remember what Orianna Fallaci writes in the intro to hetr new book - what REALLY happened when Islam visited Europe.
I recall visiting Otranto, a town in the foot of Italy, in Puglia. In the cathedral there is a crypt with 1000 skulls, all dead from a single raid.
http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/20...ew-
fallaci.html
archduke:
"I just have a strange un-Yank-like fascination with goings-on in the Motherland."
sometimes, especially after listening to "Today", i half wish the 101st Airborne would come over and liberate us all over again.
and this time round - make us the 51st state and be done with it.
Mike:
Regarding the BBC's hypocritical position on air travel, don't they send vast numbers of staff (reporters, cameramen, etc) to trouble spots around the world, far more than competitor companies like CNN send? I can remember reading opinion articles about this, but cannot find any.
The BBC themselves could make a massive contribution to reducing global warming from aircraft emissions by reducing their "junket allowance".
Rob | 09.03.06 - 10:13 am | #
Good point. It's do as I say, not do as I do.
As to another point above, why on earth are prisoners being given anything at all above subsistence? Food and water should do the trick. Prayer meetings? WTF? I also think that any suicide bombers of any description should be buried in such a fashion that would make their fellow religionists cry foul. Whether that's face down or pointing away from Mecca or whatever it needs to be. We should make them believe that they will not get their 72 virgins or whatever. Make the bastards suffer.
archduke:
dumbcisco -> Charles Martel.
unsung hero of western civilisation.
funny how so few people know about him and the Battle Of Tours. its like a hidden history, that is unspoken.
John Tomlinson:
Reply received from Nat Stats Office:
Dear John,
Thank you for your interest in the 2011 Census, and in particular our
intention to collect information on national identity.
I can confirm that we are intending to collect information for each UK
national identity, including a tick-box allowing people to identify
themselves as English. The omission of this category in some press reports
was simply an error.
Yours sincerely,
Alexa Courtney
So, the Beeb got it plain wrong! I notice their report has now been changed and some posts above may refer to it but I've not had time to scan through them yet.
Research Officer
Questionnaire Design and Content
2011 Census
dumbcisco:
I recall The Song of Roland, can't recite it any more though. But I had noted your nom de plume.
Rob Read:
So people know Charles Martel
http://whatwouldcharlesmarteldot...m.blogspot.com/
Susan:
There's a whole list of 'em besides Charlie the Hammer, we never hear about 'em anymore. John III Sobieski, hero of the Siege of Vienna. Prince Eugene of Savoy, who liberated much of Eastern Europe from the Ottomans. Don Juan de Austria, hero of the Battle of Lepanto. Pelayo de Asturias, who began the Spanish Reconquista. Roger d'Hauteville, liberator of Sicily.
All people who are shortly to become extremely politically incorrect in Europe, if they are not already.
Susan:
And, on the American side, Stephen Decatur, who led the first American raid on the slave-taking Barbary Pirates.
We kicked their butts in 1805, look it up. The Tripolitan Wars. They were attacking American ships and taking American sailors and merchant marine men as slaves to the Sultan. They wanted jizya which at first we paid, but after their demands got to be too greedy and exorbitant, we fought. T. Jefferson fixed their wagon but good.
That's why the US Marine Hymn swears to defend American citizens "from the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli."
archduke:
Rob -> the lead article on that site is excellent stuff.i pretty much agree with everything he has to say on there.
http://whatwouldcharlesmarteldot...ew-
mindset.html
Mike:
Not a big fan of Evan Davis anyway, but this story here says a lot about Labour:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/busin...ess/
4790916.stm
Surely part of the question here is whether or not it's right to have such a target. What REALLY bugs me about these people is they'd be happier if everyone made £10,000 a year than if half made £50,000 and half made £200,000.
This guff being a government target should be pulled up. Given that all the negative comments come out as soon as someone mentions lower taxes, you'd think that in the interests of "balance" a policy like this should be flayed alive.
Susan:
What REALLY bugs me about these people is they'd be happier if everyone made £10,000 a year than if half made £50,000 and half made £200,000.
Indeed Mike. What socialists care about is everybody being "equal". Whether it's equal wealth or equal poverty is irrelevant - the operative word is "equal." And so far they have proven themselves to be much better at delivering equal poverty than equal wealth. . .
archduke:
and yet the income disparity between the top and bottom has actually GROWN under Labour.
if it wasnt for Thatcher's policy of council house ownership, it would probably be even greater.
paulc:
R5 just announced the UK sold Plutonium to the Israelis in the 1960s (Tony Benn, trade minister at the time said he knew nothing about the sale - that at least has the ring of truth about it).
Where did this piece of today's chip wrap come from?
Broadcasting it now on the eve of discussions about Iran seems an act of pure political vandalism.
archduke:
there was a nice story about a Scottish gaelscoil on the six o'clock news tonight - which made a nice refreshing change from the usual depressing shit that they always bang on about.
and i was shocked too - something about a picturesque part of Scotland (isle of skye) , rather than whether Abdul is all "angry" and "oppressed" in Bradford.
the bit were the pro-gaelic Scot was speaking "as gaelige" was lovely to hear. sadly that sort of coverage, revealing the interesting parts of the overall UK, is woefully missing on the bash-America Al BBC.
My jaw will drop if they cover the Cornish Nationalists next.
archduke:
paulc ->"R5 just announced the UK sold Plutonium to the Israelis in the 1960s"
if memory serves me right that story broke a few years ago. I think it was MI5 who were involved - something to do with CIA. cladestine work to help the Israelis build a deterrent before the Arabs wiped them out.
might have been that guy Shayler who revealed it... but i could be wrong with the details. rings a bell anyway.
Susan:
FYI -- Melanie Phillips is coming out with a new book about Islamofascism, Londonistan.
http://www.melaniephillips.com/d...ves/
001627.html
Hope it will be sold in the US too.
archduke:
i'd love to find out more about this case:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_ne...set/
4789958.stm
"The court was told Bath and North East Somerset Council installed listening equipment to record sound levels near her home after she continued to play loud music"
hang on a minute. wouldnt a knock on the door from the local bobby have sufficed?
this paragraph is distinctly creepy in its implications:
*****************************
After the case the council's senior environmental health officer, Alan Bratt, said: "We will use all the powers created by the government to make sure people's lives are not unreasonably disturbed.
*****************************
hang on a minute. isnt that a job for the police - keeping the peace and all that? or am i missing something here.
of course, the woman who was charged might be an obnoxious cow, and probably deserved it.but there is something distinctly odd in the report.
what is it?
there's no mention of the police.
archduke:
oh wait. i missed this bit:
"Mrs Webb's stereo has now been confiscated by police."
people older than my good self might be of assistance - how were disputes such as this handled in the past?
archduke:
susan -> "Melanie Phillips is coming out with a new book about Islamofascism, Londonistan."
i'll be buying that. and Douglas Murray's "Why we need neo-conservatism"
dumbcisco:
In better times, books like that would be stocked in the local library - at least in one of the branches in the London Borough in which I live. These days I find they seldom stock serious books. And a books by a US neocons is permanently missing. Apparently it was always being scrawled on by an Islamist.
dumbcisco:
The US is pulling out of Abu Ghraib soon. But I bet the BBC won't STFU about all the evil US warders.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...6030900942.html
GCooper:
MacFindlay writes:
" It’s often easy to fall into the trap of seeing conspiracies where there aren’t any"
Well, yes indeed it is - and I thought that was what you had done. Then I read on USS Neverdock that the BBC has persuaded Al-Jazeera's editor-in-chief, Ibrahim Helal, to leave the notorious Islamic propaganda organisation to, err, join the notorious Islamic propaganda organisation.
Maybe you're right, after all and I was being absurdly complacent!
archduke:
i disagree - i'm with macfindlay on one.
we can too easily see the behaviour of misguided fools to be some sort of "conspiracy". its not - it's just idiocy, cloudy thinking, and thinking out of ones arse rather than using your brain.
a real deal "conspiracy" is actually an act of thought - of clear thinking - of planning.
the most evil example i can think of is the Wanasee Conference. now THATS a bono fida, lock stock and barrel conspiracy.
archduke:
typo - "i'm with macfindlay on this one"
GCooper:
archduke writes:
"i'm with macfindlay on this one"
Perhaps I misunderstood him. I was under the impression that MacFindlay was arguing there was a conspiracy. I was expressing some scepticism, while gently wondering about the growing BBC-Al-Jazeera links.
archduke:
ah yes - i've re-read his post. sorry GCooper. indeed he was inferring a conspiracy, rather than you. my apologies for mis-reading your post.
quite frankly, with the likes of Today and John Simpson there is no need for a conspiracy - it's blatant and out in the open.
dumbcisco:
It is called GroupThink, as first discussed by George Orwell.
A good definition here :
http://
www.bullyinginstitute.org...groupthink.html
Ironic that in the war Orwell worked effectively to death at the BBC, helping in the fight AGAINST the enemy.
GCooper:
Good to see BBC's Newsnight trying to bolster Iran's "right" to nukes by their 'Britain gave Israel the bomb' non-story, being screened as I write.
Don't these Leftist imbeciles even begin to understand the implications of an Islamofascist state like Iran getting nuclear weapons?
Bryan:
I think they probably do understand the implications. But they are misguided enough to think that their efforts to undermine Western democracies will grant them special status in the event of Islamofascist world domination.
But the Islamofascst crocodile will no doubt eat them first.
dumbcisco:
Bored stiff by the Channel 4 "documentary" about a bunch of snivelling malevolant Tipton lads who chose to go into Afghanistan directly after 9/11 and when there were plain threats of miltary action - sanctioned by the UN - if the Taleban did not hand over bin Laden.
Surprise surprise, some bombs started falling. And when captured by opposing Afghan forces, there was not much love lost. US guards later on were a touch unfriendly to guys who were "British" and supposedly on the side of good, not evil.
No sign of a single broken bone, of any scars etc. So - what torture ? compared with what was meted out to Taliban prisoners. It is clear from their own accounts they were stroppy prisoners.
Lord knows why the film won awards. It was a boring piece about a bunch of boring Tipton hoodlums.
Things looked up distinctly with all the nice folk in the next Ch 4 programme - Shameless.
archduke:
i must admit - i used to like Newsnight. It was high brow, serious stuff. The affairs of the world today - that kind of thing. A lot of political junkies used to tune in religiously to it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/progr...ght/
4791182.stm
here is newsnight in 2006 , tonight
1. selling plutonium to the israelis in the 1960s
(a bit of an old story - but , ok, interesting... but in light of the Iranian stuff going on does it really deserve the number 1 slot?)
2. traffic lights on food packaging
(words fail me...)
3. shopping - office of fair trading, supermarkets and stuff
(who cares?)
4. speed cameras
(again - probably worthy of the 9 o'clock news. but newsnight? hello? )
i'm just pointing out that none of the 4 items above are about any of the world affairs of today and what is happening in the body politik right NOW. this is what newsnight used to do.
where is the dubai ports affair? where is the hamas/israel thing that is bubbling away? what about Darfur and that C Of E idiot ignoring it on his trip to Sudan? why is Charles going to Saudi later this month , and has the heir to the throne secretly converted to Islam?
What about Gordon Brown and his proposed "good behaviour" handout for youngsters? What about George Osborne letting rip on Brown , as reported in today's Independent?
i could go on and on with numerous current issues that of serious interest on a global and national scale.
but instead , we get traffic lights on food packaging.
indeed , this is so woeful , its beyond sad. its pathetic.
archduke:
may i add that the osborne/brown thing IS important to both left and right.
the left will take it as "well, that osborne is a nasty piece of work" - the right will go "oh dear, that brown really is a nasty piece of work"
thats cool -that politics. it deserves a slot. osbornes outburst is somewhat out of character to the "right honorable friend" attitude of the Commons. this is serious , sticking the knife in stuff.
where is it on newsnight lead items?
(please bear in mind that i am writing from a political junkie viewpoint, who rather likes parliamentary democracy - i know there are some of you on here who would rather we return to feudalism or a form of anarchy with no parliament... but i'm not that - and newsnight used to give me that junkie fix)
archduke:
here's Osborne in full attack mode - this is what i am referring to.
GCooper:
Less political bias from the BBC this time than its shameless endorsement of socialist nannying - Newsnight's utterly toothless feature on speed cameras.
Quentin Wilson was put up against the repellently smug Stephen Ladyman, who is about to frogmarch through a law resulting in the possibility of drivers being banned for a mere two speeding offences.
Wilson failed to make any of the points one might have expected from someone representing the opposing point of view, nor did the vile Kirsty Wark, leaving Ladyman a clear run.
No spokesman from the Association of Britiosh Drivers? Not a hope! But (of course) the Newsnight team did manage to give space to the public transport-funded single issue fascists at 'Transport 2000'.
What was so wonderfully ironic was that la Wark admitted how close she was to a ban, as was another member of the Newsnight cabal. How typical of the liberal Left that even when under personal threat from draconian laws they simply bend the knee to the concept that Nanny State knows best!
Susan:
and has the heir to the throne secretly converted to Islam?
And I bet if he has, al-Beeb would change their anti-monarchist tone in a heartbeat and start running features about how wonderful the institution of monarchy really is.
will:
GCooper "Islamofascist state like Iran"
Perhaps the BBC would say, "Oh no it isn't"
Dimpleby trotted out a line I've heard before from the BBC, that Iran has just held democratic elections.
He was challenged by panellist, Bishop Nazir-Ali of Rochester - hope for the CofE yet?
Sarah W.:
Funny how the BBCs (D)HYS rules of not posting any "racist" comments seems to have gone out the window with the debate about English football hooligans. Some of the comments the mods have allowed though have been outright racist and Anglophobic!
Don't make sweeping generalisations about Muslims or other ethnic minorites, oh no, but 100 English yobs get in a punch-up and the whole country has to be ashamed, apparently!
Susan:
that Iran has just held democratic elections.
Did Al-Beeb mention that thousands of liberal and non-Islamofascists candidates were disqualifed by the sharia council in these "democratic" elections?
I bet they didn't!
amimissingsomething:
"the bit were the pro-gaelic Scot was speaking "as gaelige" was lovely to hear. sadly that sort of coverage, revealing the interesting parts of the overall UK, is woefully missing on the bash-America Al BBC"
you know, i grew up listening to world service. i was quite keen on it, too, as a broadcaster that gave me a taste of britain, living as i was in my far-flung outpost. then, over the years, it changed. i couldn't quite put my finger on it until recently. it has since dawned on me that from a british broadcaster sending britain and "britishness" to the world, it now seems to be more concerned with bringing the world to britain, or at least with bringing one part of the distant world to another. granted, some of this may be justified in the "global village", and with the decline of outposts of empire and all that but even so, if i want features programming about india i'll tune to radio india, about russia, radio moscow, about spain...you get my drift
long and short is, i prefer the "old" BRITISHbc to the new, in that respect.
and i think we can most of us agree on the quality of the pure news aspect...
will:
Did Al-Beeb mention that thousands of liberal and non-Islamofascists candidates were disqualifed by the sharia council in these "democratic" elections?
I bet they didn't!
Susan
No, but that's what the blessed bishop told Dimpleby, whilst Dimpleby gave a little puzzled look - suggesting "what is this guy talking about?"
where is the dubai ports affair?
I have heard the BBC being quite happy talking about this, because ............
it's Bush's fault.
Even though Bush supports the deal, (i.e. US workers being employed by a Dubai company is little different to being employed by a UK company) the hysteria against the deal has been caused by Bush constantly raising the spectre of Islamo terrorism.
So Bush is a dolt, Bush lies & nobody supports his stance - yet they all have been made hysterical by Bush's utterances.
Total madness.
GCooper:
Will writes:
" GCooper "Islamofascist state like Iran"
Perhaps the BBC would say, "Oh no it isn't"
Dimpleby trotted out a line I've heard before from the BBC, that Iran has just held democratic elections."
Given the nature and record of Islam, I would contend that it is possible to hold an entirely democratic election in an Islamic country and still end up with an Islamofascist state.
Sadly, I don't detect the ability to comprehend that concept in any of the BBC's output.
Presumably, they would ( pace Godwin) have been quite content with Hitler's Germany.
dumbcisco:
Dimbleby came out in his true colours - basically siding with iran against THE WORLD - because he sees it as Iran versus the US.
archduke:
"that Iran has just held democratic elections."
hhuh?
i want a link to that.
Socialism is Necrotizing:
Rod Liddle (former editor Today Program) admits on Question Time "Labour (is) the party I voted for",
so thats Greg Dyke, Jim Naughtie and Rod Liddle we now know for certain are Labour supporters.
What chance is there for balance?
Susan:
i want a link to that.
There was a democratic election in Iran, if you consider the definiton of democracy as having a number of candidates run for office and one person getting the majority of the vote, which was "President" Ahmed-a-jerk.
The problem was, all the liberal/non-Islamofascist/reformer candidates were not allowed to run, and most people did not vote as a protest against that. I read somewhere that only about 12 percent of eligible Iranian voters voted. And those were the real fanatics, so of course they picked Ahmed-a-jerk.
And then there's the fact that Ahmed-a-jerk takes his orders from the non-elected Supreme Leader, Khamanei. . .
Rick:
What chance is there for balance?
Socialism is Necrotizing | 10.03.06 - 1:50 am | #
They can't all afford peerages.
Personally i think they should sell peerages on the Internet alongside A-Levels and NVQs so we can highlight the farce all these titles and qualifications have now become.
Rick:
Personally..... I doubt Rod Liddle voted....but we can check by matching his voter number against the ballot paper
archduke:
"long and short is, i prefer the "old" BRITISHbc to the new, in that respect."
indeed - which is why that scots gaelic report on yesterdays 6 o'clock news was eye-popping - it stood out.
if i hear Cornish or Manx next on an Al-Beeb, my jaw will drop.
which beggars the question - why is my jaw dropping? indeed, the british part of the BBC seems to have been utterly lost.
Grimer:
Mike,
You could always feed their remains to some pigs. Although that might be like pouring petrol on a fire.
john:
Rod Liddle (former editor Today Program) admits on Question Time "Labour (is) the party I voted for",
so thats Greg Dyke, Jim Naughtie and Rod Liddle we now know for certain are Labour supporters.
What chance is there for balance?
Socialism is Necrotizing | 10.03.06 - 1:50 am | #
And Sarah Montague let slip some time back on the Today prog. that she threw an egg in a demo whilist at university. I bet it wasn't at a visiting Labour MP.
Carly:
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