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TPO:
Muslim's 'grave error' over Irving
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...0/
nirving20.xml
“Asghar Bukhari, a former chief executive of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee (MPAC), which describes itself as a civil liberties group”
Just remind me again, how much does the British taxpayer fork out to subsidise this collection of pantomime horses.
On the bbc?
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/...e=all&x=89&
y=11
No I didn’t think so.
GCooper:
Setting the daily tone for social workers across the country You And Yours is perhaps the most derided programme on BBC Radio 4 - even among R4's Guardian-reading listeners. Today's edition provided a couple of fine examples of why this organ of statism is so dangerous that anyone mining for evidence of the BBC spewing a stream of control-freakery
into the airwaves needs look no further.
Item one for the prosecution was the "discussion" of a leaked (!) report suggesting the government is about to allow water companies to force consumers to have water meters - now to be installed at their own expense. Oh goodie! And who did Y&Y have on to comment on this proposal? Why, some ZaNuLabour android who pretends to be the consumer's advocate on the Labour quango that is stitching up the deal. And did she take the consumer's part? Of course she didn't! Airily stepping around the fact that even by the water company's own figures, water meters might result in a ten per cent reduction in consumption, she was word perfect, doing precisely what she was appointed to do: support whatever proposals some policy twonk has told Tony Bliar is A Good Thing.
There was no opposing voice.
Next on parade was road pricing. This time we were exposed to some deeply troubled soul from the Chambers of Commerce, who was heard stumbling around, suggesting (against all logic) that road pricing will reduce traffic. Well, we only drive for pleasure, don't we? So we'll all cut down. Err, won't we? Of course, we won't: and all road pricing will do is raise yet more money for the government to squander. And the opposing point of view from Y&Y? Again, not a whisper. Instead we had a teenager who claimed to be a 'road pricing consultant' telling us that road pricing is "inevitable".
It's only inevitable, sonny, because people like you have already decided it will happen, whether we want it or not.
Thus was another good morning's work accomplished by the Y&Y team, promoting the encroachment of the state, stifling debate, advancing whatever cause the government wishes to advance and, generally, helping make life worse for everyone.
Jack Hughes:
Y&Y always reminds me of the "committee to save the gay whales".
Every day they are earnestly tut-tutting about some newly discovered problem in society that can apparently only be fixed by some kind of new law and a new committee of well-meaning, well-intentioned volvo drivers like themselves.
Today's little gem also covered customer service from broadband companies. There were some weird views being floated - especially the idea that if a company provides a really good helpline this will only encourage its customers to call. Presumably the converse is that a really crap helpline can be very cheap because fewer people will even try to call. AAAAAAArrrrggghhhhh !
I really do think that the Y&Y crew could do with a "business for dummies" primer - a kind of "Real-World 101" lesson.
DifferentAnon:
"Presumably the converse is that a really crap helpline can be very cheap because fewer people will even try to call."
That actually makes sense. Why do they need a primer?
This is precisely what Carphone Warehouse has been accused of - cost cutting on its customer service, with the result of long waiting times and confusing results.
CW trade off customer satisfaction in the knowledge that customers are locked in. Giving them minimal forum for complaint or the chance to back out of the service means that their complaints may blow over. Some don't of course, but CW, one guesses, calculates that unless customers are truly hacked off, the hassle of switching for many is too burdensome to make them do something.
It's not great [long term] business, IMO, but it certainly is practiced and it may well make financial sense to do so in the short term.
Additionally, a number of companies such as Easyjet don't provide a free helpline, which would be many people's idea of a good helpline. And that certainly discourages callers and, through charging ones that are connected make it cheaper for the company. In this case, the cheap cost of flights means the vast majority of people probably don't care that they have to pay for a helpline.
john:
Following the BBCs Panorama last night “Booze - What Every Teenager Needs to Know: Panorama reports on the hidden lives of teenage binge drinkers and follows one girl's battle with the bottle” it was interesting to hear Andrew Marr and others on Radio 4s “Start the Week” chat show never ever using the Binge word when they were talking about writers and intellectuals, instead it’s so and so was “a huge heavy drinker” or they “all drank huge amounts” I wonder if this is because the BBC gaggle of liberal elitists only like to refer to “Binge drinking” when it’s the white working class? Once again proving Leo McKinstry’s point in his Telegraph article last week In defence of the white working class. The BBC journalist Anna Adams in last night’s Panorama had a permanent sneer on her face, such a haughty countenance! How awful for her mixing with such low life- young persons drinking alcohol! In fact, at times, it reminded me a bit of Bruce Parry in his "Tribe" series.
BTW Sir David Frost plugging Al Jazeera on BBC Radio 4 this morning, tells all “it’s on Channel 514” Andrew Marr comments: “Excellent!”
No hint of product placement here then!
Rueful Red:
The Milton Friedman (D)HYS didn't stay open very long, did it? I wonder if he'll get eulogised on Y&Y?
Guy Rintoul:
Do you not see the irony of the fact that your website is blatantly biased against the BBC? Surely if you're campaigning for unbiased headlines you should be unbiased about the news agencies themselves...
aunty leftism:
guyrin tool,
how does that work then?
... far as i can see, this website reveals a hidden (or maybe not so hidden) bbc politcal agenda.
i dont pay any license fee for this useful service, so they can be as biased as they please, so long as what they publish is anchored in truth.
max:
Shouldn't this website be called Biased Biased BBC then?
max:
or BBBBC in short.
marc:
"Do you not see the irony of the fact that your website is blatantly biased against the BBC?"
Documenting the BBC's far left wing agenda is not bias, it's fact.
Ralph:
The Lib Dems in Yorkshire want to go into an alliance with the BNP yet can you find a MSM or BBC story on it?
http://www.halifaxtoday.co.uk/
Vi...ticleID=1818212
Though when that Tory in Wiltshire sent that 'racist' Email the Lib Dims and the media jumped on it.
Robin:
Regarding the road pricing, I dont suppose the foreign trucks which have been using our roads for free for decades was mentioned ?
Ritter:
A BBC Editor writes about Five Live's hug a muslim day.
A day in the life
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/
theed...n_the_life.html
Richard Jackson 20 Nov 06, 02:40 PM
"There were several texts and e-mails along the lines of "Oh no, not Muslims again" . In fact, Khalid and Sara told Nicky they too are fed up of hearing about Muslims in the news. Some people who work here were sceptical too. Was it patronising? Would we get the tone right?
But there's been a lot of positive reaction too. Some other bits of BBC News told us they wish they'd had the idea. A couple of sceptics told us they were won over, not least by Sara's passionate arguments.
And we also had a lot of questions from people. Some were challenging what the Koran had to say about certain issues,"
Just 'certain issues'? What 'issues' would they be? Why so shy BBC?
"...others wanted to know practical details (why do you have to pray five times a day? Why not six - or four?) Others were just grateful to hear some calmer voices in a debate which so often gets taken over by the more strident opinions.
Predictably, others wanted to know when we might spend a day with a Christian or a Jew or a Hindu. It's something we would certainly consider. What do you reckon, Steve?
Donhca just hate those listeners who don't buy in to the whole multi-culti hug-a-muslim thing - it's all so 'predictable'....
john:
Moonbat arrested?
At the same time as the Nazi Graffiti was daubed on the war memorial (and elsewhere!), according to the Worthing Herald
the Royal British Legion's Poppy Appeal headquarters, also in Worthing, received an anonymous letter…
The writer refers to the war on Iraq and said: "I hope all British and Americans are kicked out or killed".
http://www.worthingtoday.co.uk/
V...ticleID=1881046
Well, now the BBC announces
Man arrested over Nazi graffiti
A 21-year-old man has been arrested by police hunting vandals who daubed a war memorial in West Sussex with Nazi swastikas and SS symbols.
The BBC interpretation of events never let on about the anonymous letter (even the police tried to play it down), I wonder if we will hear a sympathetic tone now for an anti-Iraq war protestor? Maybe one of the protestors from the original million man march?
Ritter:
Another (D)HYS shut down early for not towing the liberal multi-culti line. Check out the whole first page of recommended.
Is Dutch government right to back burqa ban?
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/...4511&
#paginator
"The Dutch cabinet said burqas disturb public order, citizens and safety.
Do you live in the Netherlands? Can an item of clothing really disturb public order? Are you a Muslim? Send us your views and experiences.
john:
I forgot to add, that although we are used to the Biased BBC not revealing the ethnicity of suspects when it doesn't suit them this has been well documented), it would be very inconvenient indeed if the 'Man arrested over Nazi graffiti' had anything to do with the religion of peace. Especially with the launch tonight:
"of a high-powered coalition, involving MPs, Muslim groups, trade unions and the campaign group Liberty, to confront Islamophobia."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
religi...1952627,00.html
Keith T:
Guy Rintoul:
Have you ever read Jihad V Mcworld?
CNN/Fox/BBC/CBS/ABC/C4 et al are only interested in one thing......MONEY.
Once Al-Beeb never advertised,now even the "news" becomes an "infotainment" with more on Mad-onna and gutter politics,than "journalism" (not forgetting the adverts for Doha et al on World),more interested in promoting the "ideaology" than factual reporting.
And of course any amount of discourse is only going to further "viewer/readership" so spin any yarn to get a "reaction" and watch the coffers go up and up and up.
In fact I would go as far as to say that in the LONG TERM the Al Beeb et al are more damaging to democracy than Al Quieda,after all these jokers are in control of the infomation that we recieve........
Once upon a time the "left" was against "big buisness"-now it is THE BUISNESS.
will:
O/T Tim Blair links to an hilarious mp3 file where author Bryce Courtenay joins the Juan Cole & Michael Moore club, where 9/11 was in retaliation for events which had not yet taken place.
Notice that after Bryce has been told that he has been talking boll***s he swings smoothly into another line that leaves the democratic world as being in the wrong.
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php..._sure_it_wasnt/
Chem Ed:
http://nhsblogdoc.blogspot.com/
2...tter.html#links
I think the goo doctor has something to add.
Jack Hughes:
Back to You and Yours
Different Anon is righ to say that running a crap helpline might make short-term commercial sense.
What was missing was any appreciation of how an individual calling a crap helpline would not know that other people also found it crap - he or she has only his own experience. And there was a total lack of even basic maths - the studio crowd all seemed to agree that say a huge corporation having 10 complaints was worse than a tiny company having only 9 complaints.
"10 complaints is worse than 9 complaints." Sadly this is the kind of crap we expect from the general public - this kind of mathematical illitercay - but I would hope that BBC journoes could do a little bit better.
Dr John Crippen:
Yes, I have just come across a BBC shocker - why is it that they LIKE to promulgate allergies, and persuade the middle class tree-hugging parents that their children are allergic to everything.
http://nhsblogdoc.blogspot.com/2...-in-
gutter.html
John
pounce:
In light of all the publicity the BBC gave towards that Panorama program about underage drinking last night.
I wonder why the BBC are keeping the lid on this story;
City's young Asians keep sex a secret
Nov 20 2006
YOUNG Asians in Birmingham appear to be relying on emergency contraception and abortions as a result of keeping their sexual relationships secret, according to new figures.
Analysis of the 4,400 young Bangladeshi, Indian, Pakistani and British Asians who visited the Brook advisory service in Birmingham from April 2005 to March 2006 also revealed they are more likely to have unprotected sex but less likely to be tested for sexually transmitted infections.
Instead of using the Pill or contraceptive implants, young Asian women are more likely to need the morning after pill or an abortion referral, according to a BBC Asian Network investigation - Sex, Lies and Culture - to be broadcast tonight.
Meera, a 19-year-old Birmingham student, who contracted herpes, said: "Having herpes has totally ruled out the possibility I could have an arranged marriage."
She admitted there was a need to keep her sexual relationships secret from her family.
http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co...-
name_page.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/
asiannetwor...ndculture.shtml
pounce:
The BBC and half a story;
This story broke yesterday;
Inquiry opens into fatal stabbing
A 25-year-old man has died in hospital following a disturbance involving more than a dozen men in Greater Manchester. The man suffered stab wounds in the fracas in Bradshawgate, Bolton, in the early hours of Sunday and later died. A 23-year-old man was also taken to the Royal Bolton Hospital with stab wounds but later discharged himself.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...ter/
6163178.stm
Today it was amended to say this;
Seven held after stabbing death
Seven people are being questioned by police in Greater Manchester after a 25-year-old man was stabbed to death during a disturbance. Rabid Amin was killed during a fracas in Bradshawgate, Bolton, in the early hours of Sunday. A post-mortem examination revealed he died from multiple stab wounds. Seven men, aged 20, 22, 23, 34 and three 19-year-olds were arrested on suspicion of murder and are being questioned by detectives.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...ter/
6163178.stm
and here’s how the Manchester Evening news reports on the story;
Plea for calm after brawl knife death
A POLICE chief has appealed for calm after a man was stabbed to death in a town centre.The 25-year-old victim, who has been named as Rabid Amin, suffered stab wounds during a disturbance in Bolton. Seven men are now in custody after being arrested on suspicion of murder. The incident, involving 15 youths, all Asian, happened outside Raja's Takeaway on Bradshawgate at about 4.30am yesterday.
http://
www.manchestereveningnews...nife_death.html
What is it about the BBC in which they always cover up the thuggery (usually with knives) which the faithful have a penchant for.
The BBC and half a story.
Ritter:
Oh dear, another (D)HYS not going al-beebs way. I expect it will be closed once the moonbat morning shift get in tomorrow....
Should there be a right to wear a cross at work?
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/...1409&
#paginator
"Added: Monday, 20 November, 2006, 14:52 GMT 14:52 UK
I suggest Miss Eweida wears a full Muslim outfit to work tomorrow and wear the cross under that, the BA bosses won't know it's there!
[photoboy], Cheltenham, United Kingdom
Recommended by 79 people"
Ritter:
Remind the BBC of this next time you hear them bleating on about 'alienation' as a cause of terrorism.....
Terror hotbed theory 'unproven'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/61.../uk/
6165194.stm
Ollie:
Pounce - "keeping the lid" on that story? It aired as part of the Six O'Clock News! Apparently before your comment, according to the timestamp.
Socialism is Necrotizing:
Ritter
Do you live in the Netherlands? Can an item of clothing really disturb public order? Are you a Muslim? Send us your views and experiences.
Ritter | 20.11.06 - 4:53 pm | #
Try wearing a nice crisp Nazi Uniform whilst out walking the dog and see an item of clothing disturb public order!
BBC- As thick as unpeeled King Edward Potatoes.
archduke:
"I really do think that the Y&Y crew could do with a "business for dummies" primer - a kind of "Real-World 101" lesson."
i really do refuse to listen to Y&Y - if i did i'd be down to the U.S. embassy applying for a visa to get the hell out of here...
it is really depressing stuff.
Jon:
On PM I heard another one sided report form Gaza - the reporter (can't remember his name) said something like (I wish I could remember the exact words) when the Israelis give notice to a Palestinian militant that he is going to be bombed - neighbours all go around and act as a "Human Shield" so that the Israelis don't attack. The reporter never once said that this was against the Geneva Convention. But what was also interesting was that the spokesman for the "Human Shield" said that it stops the Israelis attacking the house. I found this quite odd as according to most reports from the BBC the Israelis are "targeting civilians" - if this is the case surely Palestinian Human Shields should make no difference at all. One can only conclude that the Israelis do not in fact knowingly target civilians. I wonder how the BBC will square that circle.
archduke:
"Dr John Crippen | Homepage | 20.11.06 - 5:58 pm |"
part and parcel of the overall decline in science reporting on the BBC.
anything for a quick, tabloidish headline.
archduke:
"The reporter never once said that this was against the Geneva Convention."
Hamas gunman enters house : "you must go to human shield!!"
houseowner: "err. no i'd rather not"
Hamas gunmen: "if you do , i kill your children"
houseowner: "ooh ok. so. will i shout Allah Akbar as well so?"
archduke:
devils kitchen is on Doughty Street. he's been invited onto vox politics.
(he's promised to keep his language under control)
john:
Tony Blair at Camp Bastion, Helmand, to members of the task force, including 42 Commando Royal Marines.
"You may not know this but people back home are very proud of what you do regardless of what they think of the politicians."
This "they" does he mean the BBC and their biased reporting of events in Afghanistan & Iraq?
pounce:
Ollie wrote;
"Pounce - "keeping the lid" on that story? It aired as part of the Six O'Clock News! Apparently before your comment, according to the timestamp."
Good point. Unlike you i haven't had the chance to watch the telly tonight.
Maybe that explains why 99% of my posts attack the BBC news web outlet.
On another note I've just drained another Millers.
pounce:
I know I shouldn't say this.
But just for once I would love the IDF to just throe caution to the wind.;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pi...res/
6166998.stm
Oh the BBC wouldn't like it. But oh boy would I dance a jig for the jews that night.
P.S
Doesn't that make me a racist?
billyquiz:
Pounce
I was just wondering what the Guiness Book of Records has for the largest number of Palestinians to be taken out by a single IDF strike!
Maybe Hamas will blow up some of their own in the interests of the greater good! It wouldn't be the first time if certain rumours are true.
Abandon Ship!:
Jon
That piece on PM by the high-pitched BBC boy in Gaza was appallingly biased.
Wonder why there are no human shields in Israel? This sort of logic is beyond the Fisk groupies who crawl around the BBC newsroom.
Oh and how about this on PM from Eddie Mair (paraphrased) : "and we hear from the woman who wants to show off her Christianity". I wonder if he would (or would dare to) use such a phrase when describing the veiled maidens of Islam? I think not.
DennisTheMenace:
Re: Socialism is Necrotizing | 20.11.06 - 8:37 pm | #
"Try wearing a nice crisp Nazi Uniform whilst out walking the dog and see an item of clothing disturb public order!"
Well, I recollect that Prince Harry did the Swastika arm-band thing for a fancy dress party and got a right royal roasting from the media and all and sundry. Of course he had to apologise profusely etc. etc. and was grounded for several weeks by Chas.
Goose, sauce, gander springs to mind.
Anonymous:
Wonders will never cease...Sharmi Chakrabati seen on ITV News talking sense re: the British Airways ban on the wearing of a crucifix!
"Flying Pig Squadron - you are cleared for take-off on runway 27..."
archduke:
"Oh the BBC wouldn't like it. But oh boy would I dance a jig for the jews that night."
i would too. and half the time , i wonder why they dont just bomb the crap out of the place.
then i read stuff about treblinka, belzec, etc.. and then i understand why they dont.
never heard of belzec eh?
here you go. 9 months. 600,000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belzec
that is at the *core* of the israeli state - "never again". and for them to engage in random genocide is unthinkable to them. that is why they still have a "gaza problem", whereas the likes of say , the Yanks, or even ourselves, the Brits would have blown it to kingdom come years ago.
Nome de Guerre:
Here's an e-mail from BBC that's been circulated around Manchester universities:
"The BBC wants to hear from you! Interested in working in TV? The industry needs to attract the brightest, most creative and talented people it can find. We want to reflect the cultural diversity of the North West region so are especially keen to welcome people from diverse communities.
Can you help deliver the best programmes on television, radio or online? Come along to one of the Question and Answer sessions in your area and find out more about exciting opportunities at the BBC and ITV Granada and a host of other TV companies. Together with Cultural Diversity Network North and Media Training North West, we’ll be announcing details of placements, training schemes and work opportunities. We’ll also explain how you can get involved in developing a new BBC comedy drama series based on stories from Muslim communities.
Question and Answer sessions:
Mon 27 Nov OLDHAM Grange Arts Centre, Rochdale Road, Oldham
Tues 28 Nov BOLTON Reebok Stadium, Junction 6 M61, De Vere Whites Hotel, Bolton Weds 29 Nov MANCHESTER, BBC New Broadcasting House, Oxford Rd, Manchester
Thurs 30 Nov BLACKBURN King George’s Hall Northgate, Blackburn
Refreshments provided! Win tickets for BBC shows!
For bookings and more information contact Melanie Harris to reserve a place.
Phone: 07813 989933 or Email: Melanie.harris@bbc.co.uk"
You gotta love it.
archduke:
there is no such thing as a "muslim community" - they have as many subdivisions and sects as the "christian community".
its like lumping Ian Paisleys lot with the Roman Catholics... and calling the combined total the "christian community".
utter bollocks in other words.
john:
The MSM have excelled themselves in their current anti-Russian pogrom.The great cold war enemy is resurrected again, just in time for the re-launch of a 1960s James Bond film. It seems that too many people are getting use to the Islamic terrorists as the bad guys and it might be a good idea to return to the old maps and the once familiar territory. Jon Snow this evening on C4 news:
“Did Putin poison him?” as well as the BBC ramping up the volume, digging up all of the old Kremlinologists.
Don’t underestimate the forces at work in Londonistan that genuinely support the Islamists in Chechnya.
And what a bonus for Litvinenko’s crazy book “Blowing up Russia: Terror from Within”, one of Osama’s favourite books. The sales right now must be rocketing, the BBC even has a picture of him with his book
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/61.../uk/
6165836.stm
Is this all a gigantic book publishing PR scam organised by the Russian mafia, similar to Murdoch’s attempt to sell OJ Simpson’s book? Why this attempt by the MSM to sympathise with a crazy conspiracy theorist who says that it wasn’t Islamic terrorists that killed 300 people in Moscow but the Russian FSB?
There are a number of BBC journalists on Newsnight who trot out this nonsense regularly. This is all very similar to those people who believe that 9/11 was the result of the CIA who, they argue, blew it up themselves.
Because I believe that it was Islamic terrorists who blew up Moscow, that blew up the Moscow Theatre, etc., I am very sceptical of anything Litvinenko says, because he is in denial. I see him rather like some people look upon David Irving, and to be quite honest the images of him propped up in a hospital bed looked to me quite normal, ok his hair has been shaved off, unlike the one of him holding his book .And this all happened how many weeks ago? Well orchestrated isn’t it?
Has it crossed peoples minds that this may have been self-inflicted?
Jon:
"From militant leaders to schoolgirls, Palestinians can unite in confronting their enemy and the passive resistance of the human shields will be admired from around the world."
So says Alan Johnson from the BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
6166362.stm
I find the BBC absolutely repugnant.
Read the rest if you can stomach the gut churning propoganda.
Come on John Reith defend that.
seasian:
"Hundreds of protesters gathered in Bogor to complain about US foreign policy in Iraq and Afghanistan, though no violence was reported."
Are the BBC not aware that the jakarta-bogor area is home to about 20 million people yet only a few hundred could be roused to protest his visit. Bush could raise more than a few hundred protesters in Crawford Texas! A typical bbc hyped anti-bush non-story
novelPhenomena:
Oh come on now, Jon! Alan Johnson can't have spent more than about 400 words in a sort of ecstacy of celebration of the brave Palestinians facing down the Most Evil "Country" in the World. He balanced the piece marvellously I thought with his closing paragraph:
"But nobody should imagine that the likes of Hamas are suddenly being won over wholly to the strategies of pacifism.
If they possessed anti-aircraft guns [which, they don't, poor things and must be content with casting impotent stones at their vicious enemies], they would surely blaze away [but, alas, in futility because of the superior technology sold to the Zionist mass-murdering oppressors by the war-mongering Booosh] at the circling planes."
Anonymous:
Somehow, the Beeb's 'balancing' page - the Israelis facing Palestinian rockets - doesn't have quite the same tone:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
6152266.stm
Fabio P.Barbieri:
Dennisthemenace: that was an Afrika Korps uniform - in other words, regular army. No SS or other Nazi troops ever fought on the African fronts, and that, added to the upright instincts of most commanders, mean that it was the most clean and chivalrous campaign - along with the short-lived Ethiopian affair - in the entire Second World War. The closest I have ever come to hearing of any war crime in Africa was a photo of a British soldier in Tobruk wearing a dozen watches on his arm - which it was supposed he had not acquired by purchase. Therefore, when the papers went apeshit about poor Prince Harry wearing an Afrika Korps uniform, they only displayed their ignorance. And besides, shock horror: eighteen-year-old goes to party dressed as German trooper. If he had dressed as a Mafia murderer (with a nice imitation Thompson machine gun) or a bandit or an old-time executioner, would anyone have said anything? Of course not: even though, compared to any of these, an Afrika Korps trooper is a model of decency. Political Correctness and brute ignorance go side by side.
Abandon ship!:
Naughtie 1 (about 7.30am)
St James has a "lighthearted" piece on Today about the amount of official red tape. However, he soon becomes rather priggish and tetchy with the interviewee Ross Clark. But is it simply because Clark writes for a magazine that is definitely not the BBC in-house magazine:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/
or is it because Clark used as his main example Gordon Brown's 1000 page pension information? Criticism of Gordon Brtown is a definite no-no to St James.
Abandon ship!:
Naughtie 2 (about 8.15)
St James has a discussion about nuclear fusion. He asks the interviewee the trump question "But is fusion safe and clean?"
Interviwee answers with conviction, "Yes".
Naughtie, clearly caught out, goes "b-b-b-but....". St James is clearly fumbling for something to say, since now he has no political axe to grind.
Naughtie - no political axe to grind - no comment.
DifferentAnon:
"Come on John Reith defend that."
I'll defend it. By removing the line before and the line after, you give the impression this is the author's viewpoint, when it is patently clear he is talking about the role of the imagery as propaganda.
The writer is clearly explaining how the tactic will be viewed by a significant number of people. Do you dispute that point?
"The tactic is symbolically important and a propaganda coup.
From militant leaders to schoolgirls, Palestinians can unite in confronting their enemy and the passive resistance of the human shields will be admired from around the world.
The boys on the roofs, armed only with Palestinian flags and facing down war planes, are a David and Goliath image for the modern age."
Indeed, the author explicitly acknowledges that Hamas hasn't gone all peace corps: "But nobody should imagine that the likes of Hamas are suddenly being won over wholly to the strategies of pacifism"
Pete_London:
Fabio P.Barbier
Therefore, when the papers went apeshit about poor Prince Harry wearing an Afrika Korps uniform, they only displayed their ignorance.
The most depressing aspect of it all for me was that the reaction was so unBritish. We used to alugh at this kind og thing all the time, but we've now become such a prissy and uptight country that much of what we used to find funny is now verboten. The reaction of the press, of course, would have been vastly different if Prince Harry had turned up looking like mass murderer and leftie pin-up boy Che Guevara.
Cockney:
I completely agree with Pete for a change.
Pete_London:
Jon
Repugnant it is. I can't help noticing that all those who were unable to open their mouths for months without the words 'Geneva' and 'Conventions' (Iraq, renditionzzzzzz) spilling out, are now curiously silent on the subject.
Their is only one right course of action for the Israeli Air Force here - ignore the human shields and bomb the bastards. No more human shields and, hey presto, the Conventions are complied with.
john:
Abandon ship!
There was also a moment when Naughtie spoke rather pompously of "The Western world" and the interviwee reminded him that China & India were signed up to it as well!
Iv'e just listened to Taking a Stand
"Fergal Keane meets Angela Sinfield, the woman who took on the BNP in Bradford"
It turns out Angela was groomed by the Labour party and became a Labour councillor. No political bias here then?
archduke:
"The most depressing aspect of it all for me was that the reaction was so unBritish."
Anyone remember the "Hitler in London" monty python sketch?
Heron:
DifferentAnon
The "Propoganda Coup" is the gushing report of their "passive resistance" made by the famously "impartial" BBC. DifferentAnon, John Reith, why no mention of the fact that human shields are against the Geneva Convention - the BBC is hardly shy to accuse Israel of going against it. Why no mention of the obvious anomaly that, according to the BBC, Israel targets civilians
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/...ope=all&
start=5
yet here is Israel refusing to attack a legitimate terr.... militant target because of the civilians there?
In the words of Pounce, the BBC and half the story. Will be interesting to hear Reith's response - see if he can link that to my supposed membership of the BNP.
Heron:
That was in response to DifferentAnon's 9.29 post.
Pete_London:
archduke
Twenty years ago Freddie Starr appeard on prime time tv dressed as a Nazi. Thirty years ago Basil Fawlty couldn't see a German in the restaurant without tying himself up in knots. For decades Stan Boardman has joked about Germans bombing his family's chipshop, and rumour has it that someone even laughed at that joke once. Mel Brooks/The Producers, countless war films and as you mention, Mony Python. There will be countless other examples.
We spent 50 post-war years sending up Nazis, their accents, their walks, the stick-to-the-rules German stereotype, Hitler's moustache and all the rest of it. Yet when Prince Harry pitches up to a party dressed as a Germa trooper, we're supposed to believe our youth will come over all neo-Nazi. Or something.
Ritter:
Thought I would post the link for those who missed it:
The worlds biggest experiment in fusion energy is inaugurated today. We discuss the implications with plasma physicist Steven Cowley and Riger Higman from Friends of the Earth
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/
toda...on_20061121.ram
Also the 'and finally' email read out at 8:59am was hilarious - no link available but it went something like:
James of Smug "And we've had an email from William in Bedford who says "Typical, scientists are working hard to develop clean nuclear technology and what do the green lobby say? "Build a Windmill". Well I say, "Get a Life".
Best ending to the Today programme for quite a few months....
will:
Stop moaning. Rejoice!
British shows sweep world Emmys
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/enter...ent/
6168076.stm
"World Emmys" - that's a special, excluding USA, bash providing an excuse to jet over to New York.
News24 has lefty Susan Sarandon showing that she is no dummy. She notes the higher production values at the BBC. Could it be due to better funding, she muses.
Dead right, girl.
Ritter:
Berlusconi and Mills face trial
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po...ics/
6166076.stm
Any chance of Tessa being called as a witness? Now, that would be fun....
"I've just paid off our £800,000 mortgage we took out last week...sign here dear would you?"
"Here?, ok no problem..."
Rachel Miller:
Re. 'Taking a Stand' this morning - I couldn't help noticing over the last couple of days that Fergal Keane's trails for the programme focussed very tightly on the 'woman who took on the BNP' angle, but that in fact this was only a very small sideline to the actual story. In fact, the BNP angle took up about 3 minutes of the 30-minute programme. The achievement for which Ms. Sinfield really deserves recognition is that she lobbied for and got a change in the law which may help stop the 'grooming' of underage girls - but you wouldn't have thought so from the trails...
DifferentAnon:
"why no mention of the fact that human shields are against the Geneva Convention"
While that may be true, presumably the Geneva convention remains silent about human shields that are voluntary.
"Why no mention of the obvious anomaly that, according to the BBC, Israel targets civilians"
According to the BBC's reporting of claims that Israel targets civilians.
I've yet to see a statement among those links to the effect of "Israel targets civilians" that is a BBC statement of fact.
Alan Man:
Thanks to the poster who pointed out the location of legendary BBC documentary "Power of Nightmares".
It was a classic example of fitting the facts to suit a predefined narrative. Inconvenient facts were merely omitted if they did not support the predefined conclusions.
In this documentary, the Neocons fight "phantom enemies" like the Soviet Union or Al-Qaeda.
It was shocking to see how casually BBC dismisses the end of Cold War by saying that the Soviet Union "collapsed by itself".
If the evil Neocons would not be so eager to fight "phantom enemies" in their biblical battle between Good and Evil, maybe the islamists would turn out to be nice after all. That's what the documentary seems to suggest.
DifferentAnon:
P_L
Not to mention the daddy of them all, Allo Allo.
But the understanding that the royals are viewed differently from the rest of us isn't exactly new, is it.
If Harry does whatever anyone his age has done - roll out of a club drunk, have a one night stand - he'd be picked up on it.
The question is more do we expect a different standard of behaviour from royals or not? The press haven't got the answer on this yet, and neither have the royals themselves - do we want them to be like us or emphatically above us?
Anyway, this isn't some massive backlash of PC-ness - it was broken by the distinctly un-PC Sun, who recognise that creating a stir about a Prince in German clobber sells papers.
Pete_London:
DA
While that may be true, presumably the Geneva convention remains silent about human shields that are voluntary.
I doubt that all are genuinely voluntary. You may not see guns herding them towards a terrorist's home but when the terrorists know where you live, you don't want a midnight knock some days later. The Geneva Conventions do mention human shields, and actually state that their presence should not necessarily mean that the military target they are protecting is out of bounds. Let the bombing commence.
But the understanding that the royals are viewed differently from the rest of us isn't exactly new, is it.
Of course not, becasue the Royal Family is different to we subjects.
The question is more do we expect a different standard of behaviour from royals or not? The press haven't got the answer on this yet, and neither have the royals themselves - do we want them to be like us or emphatically above us?
Know this - you are scum and the Royal Family (Gawd bless'em) are most definitely above you. I'm closer to the Royal Family than you because I'm right wing and hunt foxes (whoops, I mean exercise hounds), but you lefties are genuinely at the bottom of the pile.
TPO:
The bbc on the murderous and corrupt antics of the thug Mugabe and his regime:
‘President Robert Mugabe launched Zimbabwe's controversial land-reform programme seven years ago, with the aim of readdressing economic imbalances left over from the country's years of British colonial rule.’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/busin...ess/
6153616.stm
Fertile land made arid. The breadbasket of Africa now an importer of food. Half the population close to starving. Nearly one million people made homeless though forced evictions. No inward investment. Hyper inflation just round the corner. Thugs torturing and murdering people at will, whilst ensuring that they can import the latest luxury cars and salt money away in offshore accounts
Which smug little shit from the bbc penned this utter trash; ‘readdressing economic imbalances left over from the country's years of British colonial rule.’
Now read the truth from one very, very brave woman in Zimbabwe, Peta Thornycroft (you won’t find the bbc employing people like Ms. Thornycroft, only third rate rubbish pretending to be brave)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/for...ft/
#post_196368
As Pounce would say; the bbc and half a story, except in this case, not even half a story, more a pathetic excuse.
Hang your head in shame jr
AntiCitizenOne:
‘readdressing economic imbalances left over from the country's years of British colonial rule.'
what it means is the BBC and their friends on the left would like to do the same thing here.
1/ Install a Powerful dictator.
2/ Steal land to give to their chums.
They want to be a new aristocracy.
DifferentAnon:
TPO
The BBC is banned from Zimbabwe. They've been banned because of their consistent reporting of Mugabe's regime in news and documentaries.
Don't even bother claiming they haven't exposed Mugabe regularly and clearly. Taking one story among the 24,500 that reference Mugabe on the BBC news site - as well as their TV and radio output - and claiming it doesn't tell the full story is, frankly, cretinous.
What's the half story here? The other 24,499 BBC stories you mysteriously haven't bothered to mention.
And no, none of this detracts one iota from the immensely brave work Thronycroft does.
TPO:
jr
got your stooge to respond then?
AntiCitizenOne:
"especially keen to welcome people from diverse communities."
It's self parodying isn't it? Diverse basically means anyone but British i.e. the BBC are being racist.
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
A fantastic speech that the BBC should listen to instead of play.
http://www.usconstitution.net/dream.html
The BBC has a dream that serfs will one day live in a region of europe where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by a commitee that decides thier inherant guilt based on the past power relationships of their parents.
TPO:
jr
Which smug little shit from the bbc penned this utter trash; ‘readdressing economic imbalances left over from the country's years of British colonial rule.’
Richy:
I enjoyed this "Super Nannies" article. Nowhere are there any dissenting voices raised that it might be a waste of money or that it's something that maybe the state has no real role to play.
Maybe this is my own ideological views tainting my assessment of the piece. However, some critical perspective may be desirable as it is towing the government line somewhat.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_ne...ics/
6167472.stm
AntiCitizenOne:
Ritter
RE: Berlusconi and Mills face trial
The unfailingly mention "Estranged" WRT their marriage, yet are they really?
Most people in the know are saying they are just "lying low".
Maybe a journalist (have you got any BBC?) could check?
DifferentAnon:
TPO - yes, I'm JR's stooge, naturally.
Since we are in a parallel universe in which AntiCitizenOne and you can't find 24,500 online documents on Mugabe and miss the countless news items and documentaries on Zimbabwe, I'll confess I'm a paid beeboid, whose sole job is to blind valiant truthseekers with obscure and irrelevant facts in the face of your indisputable evidence to the contrary. We're part of a secret BBC sub-department located in the bowels of White City coded "Project Er No, Actually".
We're next to the subdepartment full of poofs and Scots engineering a victory for Ming the Merciless to bring about the revolution in which Eurosceptics, fox hunters and anyone who doesn't drink lattes will be rounded up, trucked off in electric vehicles to concentration camps where they will be forcibly wed to someone of the same sex and made to watch Orla Guerin 24/7.
Ritter:
DifferentAnon | 21.11.06 - 11:06 am | #
Taking one story among the 24,500 that reference Mugabe on the BBC news site
24,200 to be exact or are you using a different, perhaps internal BBC archive search? Care to post a link to your source for the other 300 stories on the BBC news website?
Results 1 - 10 of about 24,200 from news.bbc.co.uk for Mugabe
http://www.google.co.uk/search?h...uk+Mugabe&
meta=
Ritter:
Maybe a journalist (have you got any BBC?) could check?
AntiCitizenOne | Homepage | 21.11.06 - 11:21 am | #
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Yeah, right. Jowell is the BBC's best hope of an inflation busting licence fee deal. No chance of any 'Newsnight Specials' on this soon....
TPO:
jr
The hysterical outburst by your stooge suggests to me that the youngster may benefit from this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po...ics/
6167472.stm
In the meantime:
Which smug little shit from the bbc penned this utter trash; ‘readdressing economic imbalances left over from the country's years of British colonial rule.’
Pete_London:
DA
We're next to the subdepartment full of poofs and Scots engineering a victory for Ming the Merciless ...
Wrong again. IIRC, it was Andrew Marr who recently said the BBC was full of poofs and muslims, or those who are sympathetic to islam. But yes, there are quite a few Jocks too.
The point made by others is not what the BBC has said or might in future say about Mugabe and his regime. The point is that this piece includes, as comment on his vast theft of legally-owned land, the line: readdressing economic imbalances left over from the country's years of British colonial rule.
Pure left wing drivel, propoganda and historically wrong. It's what they do.
DifferentAnon:
Nope, used Google.
It would be difficult to use a BBC archive as I don't work for them.
JR might be able to furnish us with a number for references on TV and Radio.
DifferentAnon:
"Which smug little shit from the bbc penned this utter trash"
I would suggest a dose of your own medicine as regards hysterical outbursts.
TPO:
Ritter:
DifferentAnon | 21.11.06 - 11:06 am | #
Taking one story among the 24,500 that reference Mugabe on the BBC news site
24,200 to be exact or are you using a different, perhaps internal BBC archive search? Care to post a link to your source for the other 300 stories on the BBC news website?
What lunatic would suggest looking at 24200 utterings from the bbc, only to find that 24198 sought to exculpate Mugabe in one way or another. Oh... I know.
DifferentAnon:
"The point is that this piece includes, as comment on his vast theft of legally-owned land, the line: readdressing economic imbalances left over from the country's years of British colonial rule."
Which refers to what Mugabe claimed his aim was. You read this as a BBC endorsement/opinion, which it isn't. I agree it could be made clearer, that the description of the aim is Mugabe's not the BBC's.
"President Robert Mugabe launched Zimbabwe's controversial land-reform programme seven years ago, with the aim of readdressing economic imbalances left over from the country's years of British colonial rule.
But critics say the often violent campaign has devastated Zimbabwe's agriculture-based economy, leading to massive food shortages."
See:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ica/
3233375.stm
"Mr Mugabe says he is addressing imbalances in land ownership due to racist colonial-era laws."
Jonathan Miller:
anyone hear Taking a Stand?
Trailed as one woman's stand against the racist BNP, it was 20 minutes or so before the BNP was even mentioned by Mr Keane.
My take on this was that the biggest stand the woman interviewee took was getting the law changed to allow evidence that would formerly have been hearsay, to be presented as evidence in child sex abuse cases.
The program did not make much of this, preferring to focus on the racist BNP - strange though that throughout the program it was repeatedly stated that it was asian male youths who were 'grooming' young girls for sex - there was only one clarification in the whole program that white male youths were also involved.
Given the content of the program I feel that the BBC were very wrong indeed to portray this as a stand against racism. It should have been presented as a stand against child abuse.
Jonathan Miller
John Reith:
I got fed up reading half way down , so heres my comment: I had a long lunch today, washed down with a few glasses of wine (hic),strolled back to work and spent the rest of the day watching TV for 'research' purposes. All on you guys the Licence Fee payers. Cheers guys.
Ps. I then wrote a hate-filled anti-Israeli,ant-West diatribe on my return. The life of a Beeboid eh?. Thanks guys.
Biodegradable:
Whether or not the "Palestinian" 'human' shields are volunteers or not is irrelevant. The IDF want to destroy the houses not the occupants because they have information which indicates they are being used to store weapons and explosives. The houses are therefore military targets.
Both Protocol I and Article 28 of the Geneva Convention (IV) make clear that "the deliberate intermingling of civilians and combatants, designed to create a situation in which any attack against combatants would necessarily entail an excessive number of casualties is a flagrant breach of the Law of International Armed Conflict,"
...
Article 51(7) of Protocol I states: "The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations." And the Geneva Convention (IV) holds that "The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points of areas immune from military operations." (Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, 1949, Laws of Armed Conflicts, 495, 511.) Moreover, the Rome Statute is clear that "utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations is recognized as a war crime by Article 8 (2) (b) (xxiii)".
...
The above considerations pertain to the norms deriving from treaty law (e.g., the Geneva Conventions). But there is another set of standards which are relevant to the question of proportionality which derive from another source of international law, known as customary international law. Together with treaties, customary law is one of the main sources of international humanitarian law (IHL), or the laws of war. Dinstein explains that "Customary international law is certainly more rigorous than the [Geneva] Protocol on this point. It has traditionally been perceived that, should civilian casualties ensue from an attempt to shield combatants or a military objective, the ultimate responsibility lies with the belligerent [party] placing innocent civilians at risk. A belligerent...is not vested by the laws of international armed conflict with the power to block an otherwise legitimate attack against combatants (or military objectives) by deliberately placing civilians in harm's way.
Note that according to the Geneva Conventions Israel would within it's rights and acting legally if it were to attack targets protected by human shields.
Source
Allan_D:
Interesting, but rather strange, item on "Newsnight" last night about "new" information concerning the assassination of Robert Kennedy in 1968. One wonders what relevance this had to a supposedly topical news programme (perhaps it should be renamed "Have I Got Old Newsnight?") except in the Beeb's obsession with conspiracy theories, especially those concerning US & UK politics, past or present.
However it turns out to be just as much a case of rather shameless product placement. An article appeared in yesterday's BBC House journal, "The Guardian" by the presenter of the Kennedy item, Shane O'Sullivan, shamelessly plugging his piece that evening:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/
sto...1952379,00.html
Didn't the BBC Governors rule out profiting from publicly funded research for BBC programmes by publishing articles in the Press after the Hutton Report and the Gilligan fiasco or am I missing something? Anyway the Grauniad piece saves you having to sit through a rerun of Newsnight as it's a fair precis of his piece.
The piece, which filled a good fifteen minutes of the programme, and involved filmed reports from various locations across America was incredibly slight. It turns out that Mr O'Sullivan had come across some photographs of the crowd inside the reception area of the Ambassadors Hotel in Los Angeles on the night Kennedy was shot which included three people who resembled CIA agents (although he didn't say if they were in the CIA at the time) although this identification was rather suspect as two people on camera said they were whereas two people off camera said they weren't.
However Mr O'Sullivan produced noone who was actually at The Ambassadors that night who could place them in the kitchen area where Kennedy was actually shot. O'Sullivan said that one man appeared to holding a large bundle (implying a gun) although it might just as well have been a bag of buffet food. He also produced photographs showing them 30 minutes after the shooting had taken place. Presumably, if they had had anything to do it they would have been long gone by then.
In fact the theory that the CIA was behind the murders of both JFK and his brother is nothing new and has been circulating from almost the date of the assassinations. O'Sullivan mars his "research" by facile errors. He dates the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles, the motive behind both assassinations, as 1963 rather than 1961 and states that air cover for the invasion was "withdrawn" when, in fact, it was never sent and would have been impractical to do so, as it was never part of the original plan.
Mr O'Sullivan is, it turns out, neither a BBC employee nor even a journalist but an independent filmmaker. Here's a review of one of his films:
http://www.timeout.com/film/74211.html
He let slip during the Newsnight piece that he had collected his evidence whilst working for three years "on a screenplay" about the RFK assassination. Presumably this exposure will do him no harm in his efforts to raise finance for the project.
The BBC might claim some topicality in that it is the 43rd anniversary of the JFK assassination tomorrow and there is to be an imminent release of a Hollywood feature "Bobby" about his brother's killing which, I also understand presupposes a conspiracy (although again one can argue whether that represents news value for an allegedly serious current affairs programme). However one must seriously question the use of licence payers' money to fund the research and publicity for a possible commercial film. This seems a blatant breach of the BBC charter.
Interesting how the Kennedy item was placed in front of the far more topical poisoning of the Russian dissident in London. Whilst "Newsnight" had no qualms about assigning guilt to the CIA for Robert Kennedy's death they were very careful in shrouding any similar claims for the FSB (the Russian secret police) in the London poisoning with "allegedly". The juxtaposition of the two items was clear, though, what Russia is doing now is no different to what the US did in the 1960s (and presumably still does today).
DifferentAnon:
Bio
The distinction would still rest on who was putting the shields there ("deliberate intermingling of civilians"): if they were "placed" there by Hamas, the law is clear. If civilians deliberately place themselves there, I'm not sure the GC covers it.
If they went there without direct organisation or coercion from Hamas, it would be difficult to see how Hamas, as the belligerent party, would be responsible.
The situation is complicated, not least for Israel, by the fact that Hamas doesn't have defined traditional military targets (which is what the GC was written for) - these are houses in ordinary neighbourhoods.
Biodegradable:
DifferentAnon:
The GC is quite clear - it talks about "the presence" of civilians thus eliminating any argument over who put them there, or conversely who put combatants in a civilian area.
Neither does it matter whether Hamas or any other terrorist organization instigated, instructed or in any other manner "placed" the civilians in harm's way - they are there waving flags and chanting "Allah Ackbar" FFS.
It doesn't matter where the targeted houses are. If they ae used for the manufacture or storage of arms and explosives they are legitimate targets.
Sorry to dissapoint you but Jews have every right to defend themselves from those who openly declare their intent to destroy them on mass.
RTFM
Anonymous:
.
Is Britain Lost?
By Joseph Puder
Melanie Phillips warns about the consequences of Londonistan
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Arti...le.asp?
ID=25569
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Biodegradable:
I repeat:
The above considerations pertain to the norms deriving from treaty law (e.g., the Geneva Conventions). But there is another set of standards which are relevant to the question of proportionality which derive from another source of international law, known as customary international law. Together with treaties, customary law is one of the main sources of international humanitarian law (IHL), or the laws of war. Dinstein explains that "Customary international law is certainly more rigorous than the [Geneva] Protocol on this point. It has traditionally been perceived that, should civilian casualties ensue from an attempt to shield combatants or a military objective, the ultimate responsibility lies with the belligerent [party] placing innocent civilians at risk. A belligerent...is not vested by the laws of international armed conflict with the power to block an otherwise legitimate attack against combatants (or military objectives) by deliberately placing civilians in harm's way.
The owners of the targeted houses and their organizations have requested civilians to come and "protect" the targets with the intent of "block(ing) an otherwise legitimate attack against combatants (or military objectives)".
TPO:
"The point is that this piece includes, as comment on his vast theft of legally-owned land, the line: readdressing economic imbalances left over from the country's years of British colonial rule."
Jr your stooge is, as they say in meedja circles, conflating.
Nowhere does the bbc article in question say ‘vast theft of legally-owned land’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/busin...ess/
6153616.stm
"President Robert Mugabe launched Zimbabwe's controversial land-reform programme seven years ago, with the aim of readdressing economic imbalances left over from the country's years of British colonial rule.
‘Which refers to what Mugabe claimed his aim was. You read this as a BBC endorsement/opinion, which it isn't. I agree it could be made clearer, that the description of the aim is Mugabe's not the BBC's.’
I read it exactly as the smug little bbc shit wrote it.
So to put it all in to context I have to go back to 1st November 2003 to see this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ica/
3233375.stm
The bbc and a pathetic excuse
Pete_London:
TPO
'vast theft of legally-owned land' was me. Certainly DA or Reith wouldn't be so judgemental when it comes to Mugabe.
TPO:
Pete
Certainly DA or Reith wouldn't be so judgemental when it comes to Mugabe.
Quite.
Fact is though, jr's stooge, in his wriggling, included it as if the article itself displayed such sentiment.
Do you think the stooge is a meedja studies stoodent.
Just what Britain needs to ensure our ever increasing slide into mediocrity.
novelPhenomena:
DifferentAnon
"you give the impression this is the author's viewpoint, when it is patently clear he is talking about the role of the imagery as propaganda"
No....talking about the imagery would say something like
"The Palestinians hope that this will be symbolically important and a propoganda coup. It will help their cause if passive resistance is widely seen to be successful at preventing Israeli attacks".
Can you not see how this differs in tone and content from
"The tactic is symbolically important and a propaganda coup. From militant leaders to schoolgirls, Palestinians can unite in confronting their enemy and the passive resistance of the human shields will be admired from around the world."
It's also difficult to argue how the hopeful use of the word 'are' in this sentence
"The boys on the roofs, armed only with Palestinian flags and facing down war planes, are a David and Goliath image for the modern age."
can be anything other than a point of view.
DifferentAnon. It's okay to be pro-Palestinian. It's okay to be anti-Israeli. I'm more pro-Israeli than pro-Palestinian. But the difference is that I KNOW this. So if I were reporting I would say to myself "Hold on there - need to make sure I'm being balanced here". But too many BBC reporters seem blind to this simple existential exercise.
One of the reasons why I think the BBC is biased are:
- within the reporting and editorial staff there do not exist a representative number of people who
- are social conservatives
- support George Bush's foreign policy
- instinctively support democracies over totalitarian states
- think the risk of terrorist use of WMDs is real
- are sceptical of big government
- are sceptical of environmentalism
- are sceptical of multi-culturalism
DifferentAnon, I can hear you chuckling to yourself "I can't think of anyone who supports GWB's foreign policy". And in many ways this makes my point. How many of your friends support GWB's foreign policy? Many of my friends do. We're not muslim-hatin', fundamentalist christian oil barons with Jewish cousins. We're sane, decent, kind, thoughtful people, as I imagine you yourself are.
We probably want very similar outcomes in terms of peace, prosperity and individual liberties. You may think that many of my views will produce entirely the opposite result, which is fine.
But what exercises me is that the BBC finds it so difficult to accept that
- they HAVE a worldview (just as I do)
- this is one of many possible world views that can be held by intelligent, well-informed people with no ulterior motives
- they should demonstrate a little more self-awareness when sending reports on issues about which they feel strongly
Don't you think?
gordon-bennett:
Pete_London | 21.11.06 - 9:41 am
Their is only one right course of action for the Israeli Air Force here - ignore the human shields and bomb the bastards. No more human shields and, hey presto, the Conventions are complied with.
This was one of my initial reactions.
However, I think a better for the Israelis would be to phone up mohammed1 and give him a warning. As soon as the human shields are in place phone him up again and say "we've changed our mind".
Then phone up mo2 nearby and warn him about an impending attack. Once the human shields have rushed over to mo2 phone him up and say "the attack's off".
Then phone up mo3 nearby and repeat.
The Israelis could do that all day (if they could stop laughing for long enough).
TPO:
Amazing how you have to go to foreign news broadcasts to find out what’s going on in the Middle East.
Arbour escapes injury in Palestinian rocket attack
Palestinian militants fired rockets into the Israeli town of Sderot, wounding one man on Tuesday, as United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour was touring the community.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/20...our-
attack.html
The bbc meanwhile bury that under:
Two Palestinians die in Gaza raid
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
6167814.stm
will:
DifferentAnon "While that may be true, presumably the Geneva convention remains silent about human shields that are voluntary."
"Voluntary" comes into play in the claim that Israel is in breach of GC in resettling Israelis in the occupied territories. However -
it is Article 49 that is commonly cited to accuse Israel of violating the Fourth Geneva Convention. But a close reading of Article 49 reveals that it prohibits "individual or mass forcible transfers" which are not happening in the territories under Israeli administration. Further, the Occupying Power is obliged not to "deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population" to territories under its control. The use of "deport" and "transfer" indicate that the Convention prohibits the Occupying Power from the active or forcible transfer of its own civilians. Article 49 does not oblige Israel to prevent voluntary settlement by its civilian population just because Arabs don't like it.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/
pf...1_4thgeneva.php
Anonymous:
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Prince of Wales new web site
Photos
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/
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archduke:
"The Israelis could do that all day (if they could stop laughing for long enough).
gordon-bennett | 21.11.06 - 1:02 pm"
theres a thought - and no casualties either! just keep phoning them up as the "march of penguins" waddles from one house to another.
would keep Hamas tied up in knots for months...
archduke:
" Anonymous | 21.11.06 - 1:25 pm |"
errr. gee thanks...
Rueful Red:
And they could do the same with Hizballah in Lebanon...
Anonymous:
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George Orwell once wrote of the
“deep, deep sleep of England, from which I sometimes fear that we shall never wake till we are jerked out of it by the roar of bombs.”
On 7/7, we heard the roar of bombs in London. I sometimes worry that the deep, deep sleep that Orwell described in the 1930s is still here in relation to Islamism in sections of the Government, parts of the political and media establishment, the House and the country. This is one of the most urgent problems facing us, and if we are in that deep, deep sleep, it is time for all of us to wake up.
More http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1672
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john:
I can’t help thinking back to how the BBC treated another infamous denier not so long ago.
But hold on, Alexander Litvinenko, who claims that the Russian FSB were behind September 11th now claims they are poisoning him ! Of course they are! If that is what you believe Alexander! And his mate Oleg Gordievsky writes in today’s Telegraph:
“Mr Putin is eliminating his opponents with the same determination displayed by Adolf Hitler in the 1930s”
Yes, clearly Oleg, the same determination! And these are somehow credible voices to be interviewed. I've lost count how many times thay have made room for Gordievsky on BBC News 24, C4, etc. etc.
As for accusing Putin directly of authorising something as primitive as rat poison in something as yuppie as sushi, well, it does look like a contraction of fifties "spy-versus-spy" comic strip dramatics and slick twenty-first century spin, shot through with soap operatic angst. With a load of very fashionable conspiracy theory hysteria thrown in.
BBC dumber & dumber
Ritter:
Anonymous:
.
George Orwell once wrote of the
From one (very quotable) great man to another....
Reagan made some profound statements that really strike a cord today:
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We don't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
and
"History teaches that wars begin when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap. To keep the peace, we and our allies must be strong enough to convince any potential aggressor that war could bring no benefit, only disaster.
john:
Excellent item on today's BBC News at 1pm-from Daniel Stanford? a practical demonstration of the power of the explosives that Abu Hamza used when he lost both his hands! It was like watching an interesting physics lesson. The way in which both the BBC journalist and scientist look at the hole in the metal and speculate what it would do to human flesh is astonishing for lunch-time TV.
I wonder if the BBC ministry of truth will now go back and change all those former reports where they say he lost them due to clearing mines? I never believed it for one moment! In fact I always suspected he was a petty thief and had both his hands amputated as punishment.
Socialism is Necrotizing:
Ritter
Ronald Reagen (pbuh) woke America from the decadant sleep of decades with the phrase its Morning in America and thus began the transformation of a society withered by the leftwing wrongheadedness from which we still suffer in England.
DifferentAnon:
"Certainly DA or Reith wouldn't be so judgemental when it comes to Mugabe"
Sure. Because individuals designated lefties by B-BBC have no moral compass, obviously.
Amazing perception: P_L knows I support Mugabe, some other clown knows what makes me laugh and yet another believes I want the wholesale massacre of jews.
Which sums up the empirical standards of the B-BBC commentariat nicely: heavy on strawmen, light on evidence.
TPO:
jr
You need to tutor your youthful stooge. Its taken him/her over three hours to come up with this feeble response, "heavy on strawmen, light on evidence", but then again I suppose meedja studies ain't rocket science is it.
In the meanwhile;
The Palestinian propaganda service in action:
‘It is widely accepted that under international law, the Jewish settlements in the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel are illegal.’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_de...nts/
1682640.stm
Filed under the bbc ‘in depth’ label. A misnomer by any stretch of the imagination.
TPO:
Over three hours.....of course, the long lunches.
Ritter:
FFS, they're broadcasting in Arabic now. Have they completely lost their minds?
Ana Asif (I'm sorry)
Peter Rippon 21 Nov 06, 01:29 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/
theed...a_im_sorry.html
"We've upset the listeners again.
On Broadcasting House this week we wanted to pay homage to al-Jazeera's new English-language network.
As imitation is the sincerest form of flattery we thought it would be nice to test an Arabic version of Radio Four. So we got Charlotte Green to present one of Radio Four's more iconic fixtures in Arabic (you can listen here). http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/
homepage...storyid=6169098
I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to the listener who found it 'frightening'. I also apologise to the listener who found it too politically correct. That really was not the intention. Finally, I would like to apologise to the listener who thought they had gone mad when listening to it. You have not.
I have.
Peter Rippon is editor of PM and Broadcasting House"
Going by this, the BBC can't be far off launching licence fee funded Al-BBC tv & radio channels in Arabic for UK muslims. Alluah Akbar!
archduke:
ritter -> i really dont see the joke. is that supposed to be some sort of BBC "humour"???
ho ho ho... i'm laughing. not.
T:
What did they do to pay homage to the launch of Fox News. I doubt they flattered it.
AntiCitizenOne:
Fox News is only Diverse as regards to the fact it caters to the 50% of Americans the rest of the MSM miss.
Al-Jazeera caters to a religious group that is 2% of the population and 100% of recent terrorism. NOW that's diverse.
Oscar:
While al beeb splits its sides over its arabic shipping forecast 'joke', Caroline Glick, writing in the Jerusalem Post, gives a sobering assessment of the real cost of kow towing to al-jazeera.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Sat...icle%
2FShowFull
TPO:
'On Broadcasting House this week we wanted to pay homage to al-Jazeera's new English-language network.'
Call it what you like, brown nosing, arse licking, whatever. This smacks of good old common sense when you've got one eye on your future job prospects.
The trouble is that impartial objectivity flies straight out of the window when mammon beckons. Are you there Rageh?
Biodegradable:
... and yet another believes I want the wholesale massacre of jews.
Which sums up the empirical standards of the B-BBC commentariat nicely: heavy on strawmen, light on evidence.
DifferentAnon | 21.11.06 - 2:57 pm |
I assume you're referring to my comment here
In your previous comment you say:
"why no mention of the fact that human shields are against the Geneva Convention"
While that may be true, presumably the Geneva convention remains silent about human shields that are voluntary.
a) You doubted that it was in fact true (ie: contrary to the GC)
b) You presume what the GC may or may not say without having taken the trouble to read the pertinent parts of the GC.
Having had the hard evidence of the facts handed to you on a plate you still refuse to accept the basic argument that the "Palestinians" are in fact in breach of the most salient parts of the GC and the Laws & Customs of War.
Please let's hear no more from you about straw men and arguments here being "light on evidence".
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Anonymous:
Ritter: Reagan made some profound statements that really strike a cord today
Ritter
Margaret Thatcher and the Revival of the West
A great stateswoman.
By Ronald Reagan
http://www.nationalreview.com/
fl...00510060737.asp
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DifferentAnon:
"Having had the hard evidence of the facts handed to you on a plate you still refuse to accept the basic argument that the "Palestinians" are in fact in breach of the most salient parts of the GC and the Laws & Customs of War."
Let's deal with these points in turn.
It's not hard fact. Legal matters of this type rarely are. More below.
You've jumped from a technical disagreement on the GC to "Sorry to dissapoint you but Jews have every right to defend themselves."
So there's your strawman: a different reading of the GC apparently means I don't believe Jews should be able to defend themselves.
I don't care what your motives are for defending Israel's right to target. They are, frankly, unimportant and irrelevant.
As it is, I concur on the technical point of the GC having read a related document from the Red Cross.
Funnily enough, given that I searched only on the use of human shields, it deals with the use of voluntary, and some not-so-voluntary uses of human shields by the IDF, in which it concludes that even voluntary ones are illegal under the GC. Note, Israel has argued that the voluntary nature of these shields is permitted. It has also been cited for several abuses of the GC with respect to human shields, which makes holier than thou rhetoric on Israel's position moot.
PDF: http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/
site...rc_856_Otto.pdf
Note also the point about validity of targeting sites with human shields is still disputed - http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/
awcg...schoenekase.pdf
"Please let's hear no more from you about straw men and arguments here being "light on evidence"."
What, so you actually present some evidence and suddenly everyone gets carte blanche for strawmen?
TPO:
Found a few threads back and something I have to share:
DifferentAnon:
Egocentric??
Egocentric??
The very idea that,I,of all people am egocentric!!!!
All I do is give you all the benefit of a different view point, a few counter arguments, and general common sense. Since non of you take it on board is an indication of your entrenched biases.
DifferentAnon | 21.11.06 - 11:38 am | #
The benefit of wisdom from Morris minor of the lower fifth and his 'yah boo sucks with knobs on' style of debate.
jr this isn't an alter ego is it?
TPO:
'As it is, I concur on the technical point of the GC having read a related document from the Red Cross.'
So you were wrong then! What a pompous young ass you are.
Anonymous:
A sock puppet, I'm afraid, TPO.
DifferentAnon:
Anon was me - ref TPO's post of 5.53pm.
The comment you cite is a sock puppet. Interestingly, a comment JimBob made in another thread was spoofed as Reith later on.
Ritter:
Parents wake up....
Parents halt school mosque trip
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...don/
6170028.stm
"Parents have forced a school trip to a mosque to be abandoned because they did not want their children exposed to a religion that was not their own".
Well, that's one way of putting it. Hmm now, let me guess what religion that would be.....
"A class of 10-year-olds at Atwood Primary, Croydon, south London, were due to tour Croydon Mosque as part of their religious education lessons.
But a number of parents withdrew their support saying their children were too young to learn about other faiths.
Mr Clark said: "The withdrawal of a significant minority of pupils unfortunately made continuation of the visit unviable. This was done wholly on financial grounds."
Of course, God forbit it should be done on any other grounds, like oh, i dunno, maybe parents not wanting their kids exposed to a fanatical death cult? As usual the BBC avoid the I or M word until the last para. Wouldn't want to upset our masters would we?
and Holland seems to be wakening up too....
Dutch Muslims seek a fresh start
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ope/
6169398.stm
The Dutch are about to ban the Burqua. BBC manages to use the word 'Alienation' as a sub-heading. You can guess who that is in reference to.
As usual Al-BbC state as fact that Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali are 'hard liners' who were 'controversial' How so? One was murdered for making a film, the other had to flee the country with death threats ringing round her.
Both legally criticised the beliefs of a death cult. In what way does that make either of them 'hard line' or 'controversial'?
When was the last time Al-beeb ever described Islam as 'hard line' or 'controversial' for example with respect to treatment of women, homosexuals, or non-believers?
Let me think..... oh yes, never.
"Tensions over integration came to a head with the case of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Somali-born Muslim-turned-atheist MP, who advocated a hard line to bring Muslim communities into line with Dutch norms.
Theo van Gogh (left) and Ayaan Hirsi Ali provoked controversy"
Looks like some people might be wakening up to the dangers posed by ever increasing Islamic radicalism though....
Biodegradable:
I don't care what your motives are for defending Israel's right to target. They are, frankly, unimportant and irrelevant.
Indeed my motives are unimportant and irrelevant. What have my motives to do with any of this? Where have I talked about my motives, if indeed I have any? You are making false assumptions again.
As it is, I concur on the technical point of the GC having read a related document from the Red Cross.
i'm so very glad to hear that. Now please continue to debate based on reality and not how you think things should be.
Don't assume the Geneva Conventions say this, that, or the other without some minimal knowledge of them.
BTW, is that the same neutral International Red Cross which won't allow the Israelis to use the Red Mogan David as their symbol and have insisted they use a Red Diamond instead?
TPO:
The cap fits, so does the sock.
Unfortunately I have to do other things now. Bye bye lamb chop.
Biodegradable:
Ritter.
The best part of that article is right at the beginning:
Mohammed Farjani says that since his arrival in the Netherlands 38 years ago he has wanted nothing more than to be integrated.
Living among many other Moroccan immigrants in Slotervaart, Amsterdam, he became concerned that the groups of dark-skinned youths sometimes congregating on street corners would intimidate native Dutch.
So, wanting nothing more than to integrate in Holland Mr Farjani lives in a Moroccan ghetto...
"Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in
one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them".
- George Orwell
Anonymous:
"Where have I talked about my motives, if indeed I have any?"
That's my point: you've been perfectly happy to discuss mine on precisely no information. I don't care about yours.
"i'm so very glad to hear that. Now please continue to debate based on reality and not how you think things should be."
Reality? A curious view of jurisprudence: the point's still under debate by a considerable number of scholars, because, funnily enough, conventions written in 1949 weren't prescient enough to cope with events 50 years later.
"BTW, is that the same neutral International Red Cross which won't allow the Israelis to use the Red Mogan David as their symbol"
Yes. Since you are somewhat of a scholar of the Geneva Conventions, you'll know that under the 1949 Geneva Conventions, member national societies of the ICRC are required to accept the "Ten Conditions for Recognition" including that they, "Use the name and emblem of the Red Cross or Red Crescent in conformity with the Geneva Conventions."
TPO:
I had to come back just for this.
CBBC on channel 617 "here come the rubba dubbas"
And
If you press the red button you can hear them in Arabic.
archduke:
the onward encroachment of the state into peoples lives
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po...ics/
6167472.stm
now they want to look after your children.
archduke:
tpo-> you can have your side order of Fireman Sam along with your main course of "the Jews are pigs and apes" Jihad
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/enter...dio/
4400448.stm
Biodegradable:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
6168752.stm
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is at its core a conflict over land and in the West Bank property rights, BBC Jerusalem correspondent Crispin Thorold says.
Crispin Thorold is wrong.
Tell the truth about peace
...
It has been obvious at least since 2000, when Ehud Barak offered Yasser Arafat a state on a silver platter, that the Palestinians could have a state over almost all of the West Bank and all of Gaza whenever they wanted. The fight is not over the remaining narrow strips of land but over something much more fundamental, whether the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world are willing to give up their desire to destroy Israel itself.
...
----------------------
... under the 1949 Geneva Conventions, member national societies of the ICRC are required to accept the "Ten Conditions for Recognition" including that they, "Use the name and emblem of the Red Cross or Red Crescent in conformity with the Geneva Conventions."
Anonymous | 21.11.06 - 6:21 pm
Could that be because the modern state of Israel didn't exist until 1948?
As You yourself, or one of your clones says, "conventions written in 1949 weren't prescient enough to cope with events 50 years later."
;-Þ
DumbJon:
Armed robbery in broad daylight, with CCTV and several witnesses, but there's something missing...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...ter/
6167466.stm
I think I've identified a suspect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
The...e_Invisible_Man
TPO:
"archduke:
tpo-> you can have your side order of Fireman Sam along with your main course of "the Jews are pigs and apes" Jihad"
I take it a Yiddish version is out of the question then.
I may be an old git but I have a very young daughter (23 months) and there is no way on this earth that I am buying her a junior burka kit for Christmas. Possibly the divorced Barbie at £250. Why so expensive, because she comes with Ken's house, Ken's car and 50% of his pension.
JimBob:
DifferentAnon
The comment in another thread was spoofed as me I'm afraid as I pointed out in the following post.
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...8391709/
#318606
You really are a sanctimonious oink.
You deliver things as fact, yet when you're proven wrong you debase your own arguments by saying things like 'It's not hard fact. Legal matters of this type rarely are' or 'that's just your opinion' as if your opinion is gospel.
People, I implore you to ignore this cretin.
pounce:
The BBC and half the story.
Lebanese Christian leader killed
“Pierre Gemayel, a leading anti-Syrian Lebanese minister and Maronite Christian leader, has been killed in the capital, Beirut. Mr Gemayel, 34, was shot in his car in a Christian suburb and rushed to hospital, where he died. His death comes amid a political crisis in Lebanon, following the resignation of six pro-Syrian cabinet members.
And again near the end of the story we have this;
“Six pro-Syrian ministers quit their jobs last week in an attempt to bring down the government after their calls for a greater role were rejected.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
6169606.stm
So is the BBC saying that the resignation of those 6 pro-Syrian cabinet members has something to do with the story?
Here’s how last Fridays Economist (sorry I can’t link into it without giving my access codes away)
“Hizbullah emerged bruised but politically strong from what it portrays as an American-orchestrated war. As a result, its demands for a bigger share of power have grown more strident. For a start it is threatening to foment street demonstrations unless March 14th grants the party and its allies a veto over cabinet decisions. The ruling coalition, made up of Sunni Muslim, Druze and some Christian parties, offered to give Hizbullah supporters more cabinet seats. But they balked at ceding the power to push through key projects, rejecting what the prime minister, Fouad Siniora, calls the tyranny of a minority…. Even as it denied these charges, Hizbullah and its allies pulled six ministers out of the cabinet, a move that handicaps Mr Siniora's government by stripping it of Shia representation, and so opening it to charges of failing the constitutional duty to represent all 18 of Lebanon's recognised sects.”
Funny how the BBC omits the story that those 6 MPs who resigned were not only Shia. But Hezbollah stool pigeons at that. But then the BBC has no problem remaining silent on the tyranny of a minority.
The BBC and half a story…
pounce:
The BBC and half a story.
Worker jailed for a knife attack
A Lincolnshire farm worker who stabbed a man in the stomach with a vegetable knife has been jailed for 11 years. Nizar Mohammad Ali, 26, of Argyle Street, Boston, denied the attempted murder of Talib Karim, 22, a fellow Iraqi Kurd, in June.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...ire/
6167000.stm
Nothing about asylum seeker in the title. But at least he wasn’t a plumber…
And here’s how the local rag reports it;
Migrant worker stabbed in the stomach
Updated: Tuesday, November 14, 5pm: A MIGRANT worker needed life-saving surgery after he was stabbed in the stomach in an unprovoked attack, a court was told today (Tue)
http://www.bostontoday.co.uk/
Vie...ticleID=1876743
The BBC and half a story
pounce:
The BBC and HYS topics;
Pc murder accused 'wants reward'
A man accused of the murder of Pc Sharon Beshenivsky has told a court he believes he is entitled to a reward for helping police catch her killers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...ord/
6170502.stm
I wonder if the BBC will start off a thread with;
Is it a crime that this man doesn’t get his reward?
archduke:
bbc arabic , translated
http://translate.google.com/tran...6lr%3D%26sa%
3DG
thanks google.
now we have a way of keeping track of what the Beeboids are up to with the Jihadists.
pounce:
The BBC and the reporting of a racist hate crime;
Murdered cabbie 'payback victim'
A white teenage gang used racist language as they beat an Asian taxi driver to death, a jury has heard. Mohammad Parvaiz, 42, was lured down a cul-de-sac on the pretext of a fare and "ambushed", Leeds Crown Court was told. He was hit with stones, dragged from his vehicle and beaten and kicked to death by six teenagers, it was said.
Michael Hand, 19, Graeme Slavin and Christopher Murphy, both 18, deny murder, as do three teenagers aged 16 and 17, who cannot be named. Mr Parvaiz, a father-of-three, suffered a fractured skull and jaw, broken ribs and brain damage during the assault on July 22 this year, the jury was told. Adrian Waterman QC, prosecuting He was pronounced dead in hospital.The Crown's case is this was an attack motivated principally by revenge and payback prosecutingProsecuting, Adrian Waterman QC said: "During and after the attack the defendants displayed a racist attitude. "Mr Parvaiz is an Asian male. He was from Pakistan. Racist language was used, some very ugly racist language at that.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...ire/
6170460.stm
I don’t remember the BBC using the racist word once prior to the verdict on the Kriss Donald case, yet here the BBC uses the word three times?
And the trial as the BBC states at the end is still continuing
Biased reporting or what from the BBC.
pounce:
The BBC and half a story;
Husband stabbed his wife 20 times
A Coventry man has pleaded guilty to the attempted murder of his wife who was stabbed 20 times in an alleyway near the city centre. Mohammed Islam, 30, from Lower Ford Street, admitted attacking his wife Nasima, 23, in a passage way near the city's Pool Meadow bus station in June. Birmingham Crown Court heard Islam carried out the attack due to a dispute with his wife's father over money.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...ire/
6169722.stm
So according to the BBC it was all about money?
Here is how the local rag reports the story;
Husband's stab attack frenzy
. AN enraged husband stabbed his wife 20 times in a frenzied attack in Coventry city centre.People on their way to work watched in horror as the man went berserk near to Pool Meadow bus station. Details of the terrifying incident, which happened in the early morning rush hour on June 6, were revealed to a court yesterday when Mohammed Islam admitted attempted murder.The court heard that Islam had fallen out with his wife's family. That morning he lay in wait for 23-year-old Nasima near to the bus station. As she walked along listening to her portable music player Nasima was unaware that Islam was approaching her with a kitchen knife.He plunged the knife at her saying she was going to die. She managed to defend herself from the first blow with her handbag, but couldn't save herself as Islam repeatedly stabbed her.
One blow was so powerful that the blade of the knife broke under the force, the court was told. Islam then knelt on her back and reached around to cut her throat, causing a 5cm deep wound.Simon Phillips, prosecuting, said it had been a "frenzied" attack in which the victim sustained wounds to her back, arms, legs and throat.Some brave people nearby rushed to try to help the badly injured woman and Islam fled. He was captured by police, covered in blood, a short distance away.
At Coventry Crown Court yesterday 30-year-old Islam, of Lower Ford Street, Hillfields, admitted attempted murder.The court was told that he had rowed with his father-in-law over money and felt "dishonoured".Philip Parker, in mitigation, said the couple were wed in an arranged marriage in Bangladesh five years before but their relationship deteriorated over time. Islam lived with his wife in her parents' home but didn't get on well with anyone in the house.He said Islam lived a "lonely, isolated miserable life".
http://
iccoventry.icnetwork.co.u...#story_continue
Did you read that folks it was in the middle of Coventry town centre in front of lots of people who rushed to help her. (The BBC says in an alleyway) he knelt on her back after he had stabbed her and tried unsuccessfully to cut her throat. (the BBC makes no mention of how savage the attack was) and it makes no attempt to say just where the murderous thug came from.
Err BBC why don’t you run a story about how Muslims love to express their dishonour with knives?
Abandon Ship!:
Anyone hear Jeremy "context" Bowen on PM? I think he tried a little too hard to convince us that Syria had no reason to murder Gemayel. "What is in it for them?" he opined. Well, at least he didn't blame it on the Mossad.
pounce:
The BBC and half the story..
Anybody here read the story about the replacement of the British Trident nuclear deterrent?
Trident decision 'not yet taken'
A decision has not yet been taken on whether to replace the Trident nuclear weapons system, Lord Drayson has said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po...ics/
6168090.stm
Anybody notice how quick the BBC are in getting CND and Greenpeace to voice their objections;
“CND and Greenpeace claim increased activity at the Aldermaston research site show a new nuclear weapons programme is already underway.
And
“But CND chair Kate Hudson told the Commons defence committee activity at Aldermaston "suggests the decision to go ahead with a new generation of nuclear weapons has already been taken".
“I wonder if the above CND Kate Hudson bitching about nukes is the same as this one”
“Iran has signed up to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) as a non-nuclear weapons state, pledging to maintain that status. Under the NPT, Iran is also entitled to develop ‘the applications of atomic energy for peaceful purposes’. In other words, it is entirely legitimate for Iran to develop nuclear power for civil purposes. Iran does have a nuclear power programme, as do many countries across the world, and is adamant that the programme is strictly peaceful.”
http://www.poptel.org.uk/scgn/ar...les/0412/
p6.htm
No wonder the BBC love to here the above berating the Brits and the Yanks. It appears that she also seems to think that the religion of peace can do no wrong.
Before any clone wish to try and trip me up read the following.
http://www.nickcohen.net/?p=53
The BBC and half a story.
Anonymous:
Evan Davis, BBC economics editor. Surely deserves the prize for most biased BBC reporter. On BBC24 just now; 'Well of course nobody calculates how much the Olympics will cost until they win the bid. So its not that they got the sums wrong...'
Almost as fawning to Neue Arbeit as his 'Well Browns £5bn/yr tax on pensions is a good thing because it will encourage people to save more for their old age'.
My how Blair and Co must chortle.
archduke:
not bbc bias, but i thought i'd point it out ,regards the current lebanon situation.
newsnight are interviewing the lebanese social affairs minister right now.
Paxman says that she was too afraid to leave her house , so they go to her to interview her.
this is a minister we're talking about.
god help them.
archduke:
"Well of course nobody calculates how much the Olympics will cost until they win the bid. So its not that they got the sums wrong..."
so in other words, they lied to the Olympic committe.
archduke:
"Err BBC why don’t you run a story about how Muslims love to express their dishonour with knives?
pounce | 21.11.06 - 8:19 pm |"
i had to re-read your local rag story twice , rubbed my eyes, and read it again, just to make sure i was a story from Coventry rather than Islamabad.
what hell is going on in our country?
archduke:
lebanese minister interviewed by newsnight tonight
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nay...ki/
Nayla_Moawad
She's a maronite christian.
pounce:
The BBC and how it promotes the British are intolerant line..
Viewing the religious
Religious freedom in this country is under threat - that's the view of a coalition of organisations - including Muslims and Christians as well as trade unions and other groups all backed by the Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone. They are planning a rally in central London tonight calling for "an end to Islamaphobia" and "to defend freedoms of religion, thought and conscience".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/
theed..._religious.html
So the BBC sells the line that religious freedoms in this country are under threat.
“Really?”
Ok lets look into the above BBC promotion;
“Can a Muslim women in the Uk freely wear the burka?
They can’t in Turkey.
“Can Muslims practice their faith in the UK with no restrictions?”
Shia Muslims can’t in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia or most Sunni countries.
“ Do Muslims have the same rights as Christians in the UK?”
Christians in Muslim countries don’t.
“Do Muslims in the UK (as do jews) have the right to kill their food in a totally barbaric way”
Christians don’t
“Does the British media shout out “Islamophobia” in the UK”
Does the British media ever shout Islamic intolerance towards non muslims in Islamic countries?
“Can a Muslim man have more than 1 wife in the Uk?”
Can a non-Muslim do the same ?
“ Can a Muslim get away with issuing Death threats towards British people in the UK?”
Would a Non-Muslim be able to get away with doing the same towards Muslims in the UK?
But the statement that takes the biscut here is this one;
“So far on The World Tonight this has been generally been reflected obliquely in discussions we have had on such things as integration and multiculturalism”
Hello?
Integration? The Brits have bent over backwards to accommodate those who wish to seek a new life in this country. You want a mosque, build a mosque. You want to prevent your wife from speaking English, you prevent her. You wish to force your kids to marry somebody you want from another country, you do so. People can come to the Uk and do as they please. In fact we’ll even pay them to do so. (Hell we’ll even pay them to bring over the rest of their clan)
Multiculturalism? Why in the Uk that doesn’t exist. We do have monoculturalism where the minority are allowed to dictate their ways onto the majority. And Allah help the person who objects.
Murder 56 people in the Uk and witness the government have the media speak out about Islamic fears of reprisals.
Murder a child in Scotland and witness the media speak out about Islamic fears of reprisals.
Get caught fighting against this country and witness the media speak about what a victim you were in Cuba.
Get caught planning a terrorist attack in the Uk and witness the media speak out about how you got tortured in Pakistan.
Ban pigs from school books and witness the media state that little Islamic children may get offended.
Ban free fruit (paid for by lottery money) for children and get the media sell the tale that Muslims may get offended by the use of gambling money.(doesn’t stop them buying the damn things)
The BBC and how only the non Islamic population of the Uk can be intolerant.
billyquiz:
Evan Davis, BBC economics editor. Surely deserves the prize for most biased BBC reporter
Perhaps B-BBC should have an annual awards ceremony for prime examples of bias, contributors could vote for their favourites!
billyquiz:
Evan Davis, BBC economics editor. Surely deserves the prize for most biased BBC reporter
Perhaps B-BBC should have an annual awards ceremony for prime examples of bias, contributors could vote for their favourites!
pounce:
Two links that I should have posted above;
Free fruit;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...ire/
3056150.stm
Three little pigs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...and/
2818809.stm
archduke:
thanks pounce for that "free fruit" link.
i am living in wonderland. down the rabbit hole.
please wake us up when its over...
(trying my best right now not to go into a full rant swearing rant a la Devils Kitchen... but i know thats against the house rules on here)
Jon:
"In the past nine days alone around 80 Palestinians have been killed. And altogether, close to 400 have died - many of them civilians - since the Israeli army intensified operations in late June.
Over the same period, on the Israeli side, there have been three deaths. They were all soldiers, and one of them was killed accidentally in friendly fire. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
6135912.stm
Oh really!!!
So this poor woman doesn't count.
"A woman has been killed and one man injured in a Palestinian rocket attack on the southern Israeli town of Sderot."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
6149418.stm
archduke:
just a late night thought. is it conceivable that the early 21st century could see a 2nd mass (and i really do mean HUGE) migration from Europe to America.
strategically and politically this would benefit the U.S. - it would dampen the current "hispanic" influx scare over there. And secondly, it would add to the U.S economy enormously in term sof the imported brain power that is needed to go head to head with a future Chinese superpower.
I wouldnt be surprised if Dubya announces immigraton rules that are relaxed for Europeans in the coming years. Anyone else have thoughts etc on where this is all heading?
Socialism is Necrotizing:
The Chris Evans Show
BBC Radio 2.
Background: Rupert Murdoch has purchased a significant amount of shares in ITV.
Business Reporter Rebecca Pike aka "The Fox" interviews Richard Branson about this transaction (Branson was basically outbid by Murdoch).
Branson is given uninterrupted airtime in order to beg for the Monopolies Commission or some such to intervene and stop Murdoch getting the shares because "he already has the power to influence elections in the UK and is a threat to our very Democracy" (I paraphrase). Also, they fear that the Murdoch Empire is becoming a Behemoth.
Neither Branson, nor Pike, nor Evans take the time or trouble to reveal that they are in fact reporting from Behemoth Central aka The BBC whose Bias and Labour Party friendly output is far more of a threat to Democracy than Murdoch could ever hope to be.
Note to the BBC: Murdoch does not fund his ambitions by sending the poor to prision as you continue to do.
BBC- As thick as a hessian sack full of blanched Marais Piper Potatoes.
Biodegradable:
BBC Ties Self in Knots to Avoid Noticing Hizballah Crimes
"Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them".
- George Orwell
archduke:
bbc news 24 - staggering reportage on the current lebanese crisis.
the conflict is CHRISTIAN VERUS MUSLIM for fcuks sake.
that is why they are getting angry about a CHRISTIAN minister getting assasinated.
and yet , somehow, jeremy bowen spins it into some sort of Israel v Hezbollah conflict and that America and Israel are to blame.
unreal.
let me say it clearly for Bowen - the reason why the Christians in Beirut are getting angry is because the Muslims want to wipe them out and to create an Islamic state of Lebanon.
THAT is whats going on.
archduke:
" Socialism is Necrotizing |22.11.06 - 1:03 am |"
i heard that.
but branson himself runs a global corporate. and yet he's crying "wah wah wah, its all unfair" the minute some deal doesnt work out. "wah wah wah - i want the uk government to sort this out"
what a wanker.
end of.
amimissingsomething:
and they were white?
hmmm...must have been mentioned in the court papers
Anonymous:
http://iaindale.blogspot.com/
200...rong.html#links
Lawrence Barnes:
From a puzzled Yank: what is a "D-Notice", and have the British news media told you about those Iranians living in the Moscow airport? Google "kamalfar moscow airport" for details. Just how much news are you allowed to have??
Lee Moore:
Jeremy Bowen on top form :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
6171024.stm
The assumption in the anti-Syrian camp is that Damascus was behind the killing. There is no proof of that and Syria has been showing signs that it wants to engage with the West. If so, it is hard to see where its interest would be in killing Mr Gemayel.
Let’s think now. We have an anti-Syrian politician in a government that Syria opposes, and which Syria resents as having replaced its own pro-Syrian puppet government. This government has just decided, against Syrian wishes, to set up a tribunal to enquire into the assassination of a former Lebanese Prime Minister, which Syria is widely suspected of being responsible for. Syria’s terrorist clients Hezbollah have just vowed to depose the government and to that end its six Ministers in the government have just resigned. A couple more resignations (or assassinations) will under Lebanese rules cause the government to fall.
And the BBC’s Middle East editor finds it “hard to see where its interest would be in killing Mr Gemayel.”
It is just possible that Mr Gemayel was not killed on the orders of the Syrian government (no doubt he has other enemies) but to claim that you can’t see what the Syrian government’s interest in killing him might be indicates that you are deliberately looking the other way.
Anonymous:
.
Is that racism and Fascism you say? Muslims themselves in poll after poll state that their loyalty lies with the Islamic Umma, not with the country they live in. “I’m a Muslim living in Britain, I’m not British” is the sentiment. Well, if Muslims themselves state that their citizenship is not worth the paper it is printed upon, why not take their word for it?
"Why the Future May Not Belong to Islam"
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1674
.
EPi-Me:
A question:
Excepting the world service, is EVERYTHING that the bbc does paid for by the license fee?
Thats been my presumption for as long as I can remeber being aware such matters, but why should UK residents pay for BBC Iran or BBC Arabic services?
It seems preposterous for a small country to be paying for television services which do not serve them in any way.
Surely as more people outside the UK will be watching and accessing the BBC's services these services should be financed in ways other than the license fee?
And Im not arguing for the scraping of th elicense fee (as i can see an argument for it), but if the UK population is funding entertainment for free for the rest of the worlld , I am somewhat perplexed...
Can anyone clarify please?
Gordon:
If the BBC actually knew anything about the Lebanon/Syria situation they might mention the possibility that the assassination was the work of a group centred around the Syrian "Queen Mother" rather than Boy Assad.
Abandon ship!:
Lee Moore
I noted that about Bowen also. Honestly the BBC stinks.
Clearly the Beeboids have been programmed to see Syria "in a new light" and no longer part of "dumbass" Bush's axis of evil. So much so that they now find it hard to believe that Syria could do any wrong. What idiots - the dead hand of Syrian Baathism is all over this assassination.
I'll tell you how bad it has got at the BBC. This morning on Today we had Edward Stourton smearing Gemayel and his party with the "Falange - Spanish fascist" angle. Oh that they would do the same about the "militants" of Hezbollah.
TPO:
Good morning all (including the silly young meedja studies student who is using this site to compile his dissertation)
Pounce
On your usual excellent form again last night. Unlikely that jr will be able to raise a cogent argument against any of it. (Fingers burnt again)
JimBob
‘You really are a sanctimonious oink.’ & ‘People, I implore you to ignore this cretin.’
After yesterday’s foolish twaddle, especially the wriggling and writhing over the Geneva Convention, I agree, my fault should have done it sooner.
Today on the bbc’s website:
Mistrial in US of Colombia rebel.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ameri...cas/
6171404.stm
A highly misleading headline if ever there was one.
What we have here is a jury unable to agree a verdict. In this country such an event is declared exactly as that, not as a mistrial.
If that terminology is used in the United States (and I’d appreciate input from any US contributors to this site), then it is incumbent on the bbc to ensure that the casual headline scanner is fully aware of the true meaning.
Mistrial has a connotation in this country, which, to the casual observer suggests something improper has occurred when, in fact, the opposite has taken place.
It matters not that the article itself makes mention of the jury being unable to agree, the seed is already sown. Bad USA yet again.
Crap bbc staffed by crap people recruited from a crap education system peddling their prejudices for all to see (except, of course, themselves).
Oscar:
"This morning on Today we had Edward Stourton smearing Gemayel and his party with the "Falange - Spanish fascist" angle. Oh that they would do the same about the "militants" of Hezbollah."
I heard that too and heartily agree with you. Also that whole 'Falange - Spanish fascist' angle is a complete and total piece of tosh that's been washing around leftist circles since their efforts to demonise Lebanese Christians and whitewash the PLO in the civil war. Gillian Becker (in a really brilliant book on the PLO) explains clearly how there is no link AT ALL between Spanish falangists and what the West badly translates as the Lebanese 'phalange', who have in fact always been social democrats. Unlike the Nazis of Hizbollah.
john:
Seinfeld star 'sorry' over racism
Ex-Seinfeld star Michael Richards has apologised for directing a racist insult at a heckler during a stand-up comedy performance in Los Angeles.
An absolutely piss poor piece of news from the BBC. What angers me so much is how the BBC, rather than telling you what happened, or give you the facts, decide in advance how much of what has happened you will be told. This isn't news it's like a nanny watching over you. Of course we are not allowed to hear the "racist slur" or given the slightest indication what was said. It seems to me that the word nigger is an absolute unmentionable on BBC news, censored at any cost! Instead we are told what was said by a group who feel they had been offended and are clearly threatening Kramer. That they were not even present in the audience but rent-a-mob activists, escapes the BBCs objective reporting.
The BBC have the gall to say "watch the incident". No we don't!
The Daily Mirror's piece(I'm sure there might be others, havent looked yet) by contrast tells you what was said:
SEINFELD KRAMER RACE HATE SHAME
So often its necessary to discover the truth of a story by going elsewhere, then you have to pinch yourself and remind yourself that WE ARE PAYING FOR THIS inadequate crap news reporting/censorship!Doesn't the BBC grasp this?
An MSNBC video clip explains more fully the context and the incident.
Umbongo:
Oscar
Re Stourton's report - you beat me to it! But, quite unconciously, Ed also acknowledged something else. Apparently the Israelis did target their bombs/missiles on Hizballah areas. Ed tells us that in the Sunni and Christian areas of Beirut people were out in coffee bars etc enjoying themselves in an unscarred environment while the South of Beirut (the Hizballah/Shia area overseen oh so politely by the "boys" of Hizballah) is still in ruins as a result of the Israeli/Hizballah punch-up. So much for the BBC meme of indiscriminate Israeli bombing we were treated to a few months ago.
Ritter:
As other commentators have noted - got a story on Nulab/Bliar? Send it too the Beeb, they'll pay £100 for each one they publish...
BBC bonus bid to 'smear' PM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/
...6540327,00.html
Biodegradable:
Oscar:
"This morning on Today we had Edward Stourton smearing Gemayel and his party with the "Falange - Spanish fascist" angle. Oh that they would do the same about the "militants" of Hezbollah."
One important aspect that is missing from coverage of Gemayel and his party is their role in the Sabra and Shatila massacre.
Maybe it's because the BBC and their masters are quite happy to maintain the commonly held view that Ariel Sharon was responsible rather than remind us that it was in fact the Lebanese Maronite Christian militias who did the actual killing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Sab...hatila_massacre
Ritter:
And the Herald takes a look:
Outcry after BBC offers £100 for stories on honours probe
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/...ews/
75046.shtml
"Gary Smith, the head of the BBC's political news operation based at Westminster, was blamed for issuing the memo to BBC political staff and producers,
Do the Beeb have other bonus schemes in place like a Hizbolla bonus or a 'Bush-bonus' for anti-US stories? I think we should be told. Matt Frei should be in for a good Christmas....
Biodegradable:
JimBob
‘You really are a sanctimonious oink.’ & ‘People, I implore you to ignore this cretin.’
After yesterday’s foolish twaddle, especially the wriggling and writhing over the Geneva Convention, I agree, my fault should have done it sooner.
TPO | 22.11.06 - 9:28 am
Mea culpa too.
Biodegradable:
Jeremy Bowen's piece seems to have been written by Syrian UN envoy Bashar Al-Jaafari:
http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/prin...=en&
DSNO=924950
.
TPO:
Another bit on the beeb dosh story:
“BBC row over cash for honours bonus”
“Yesterday, the BBC described as "wholly inappropriate" an e-mail sent to Millbank staff by the manager, named by Labour as Gary Smith. A spokesman said the manager had been guilty of an "error of judgement" and insisted that its journalists would continue to cover the "cash for peerages" affair in a fair and balanced way”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...1/22/
nbbc22.xml
"wholly inappropriate" - Now if it was the Conservatives.
Mr Gary Smith needs immediate promotion to Head of News Gathering to replace Bimbo Boaden who, in turn, needs to be fired without delay.
TPO:
A different perspective on Afghanistan.
“Taliban drown our values in sea of blood, say political leaders from the Pashtun tribes”
Hundreds of political leaders and chiefs from the Pashtun tribes inhabiting Pakistan's border with Afghanistan have for the first time held a peace jirga, or tribal council, demanding an end to Taliban violence.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...2/
wafghan22.xml
Golly. If I had to rely on the bbc then I’d never have known about this. Ho hum.
TPO:
Letter in the Telegraph today:
Sir – So now we have Parent Tsars, all qualifications, but no life skills.
A continuation of a New Labour trend:send 50 per cent of children to university to gain an "ology" in order to preach to the other 50 per cent. "Do as I say, not as I do."
Peter Boxall, Buckhurst Hill, Essex
At first I thought a fair proportion of the first 50% gravitated into meedja stuff like the bbc, then I realised Mr. Boxall was right. The bbc epitomises "Do as I say, not as I do."
DifferentAnon:
"Golly. If I had to rely on the bbc then I’d never have known about this. Ho hum."
Apart from these of course:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/world/so...sia/
5412734.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5412458.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...sia/
1615824.stm
Ritter:
Interesting QT Line up
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/progr...ime/
6166570.stm
Denis Macshane (Lab)
Sayeeda Warsi (Con)
Sarah Teather MP (LibDim)
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp...ther/
brent_east
Esther Rantzen (?)
Muriel Gray (?)
http://www.sundayherald.com/np/M...riel-
Gray.shtml
When fundamentalism is an accepted part of life, what hope is there?
Muriel Gray on giving extremism room to breed
http://www.sundayherald.com/58149
Ritter:
Golly. If I had to rely on the bbc then I’d never have known about this. Ho hum."
Apart from these of course:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/world/so...sia/ 5412734.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5412458.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...sia/ 1615824.stm
DifferentAnon | 22.11.06 - 12:12 pm | #
Nice try BBC. The jirga in question took place on Monday 20th November. The last article published by the BBC on this matter was on 6th October - Five weeks ago! One of the articles you link to above was was written in 2001! Is that the best you can do?
As TPO correctly said, it appears that the BBC has not covered the jirga that took place on 20th November. Unlike the Telegraph who did cover it.
Not covered by the BBC.
Source: Pakistan Daily Times
Pakhtun rally ahead of loya jirga today
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/def...-11-
2006_pg12_7
Pakhtuns pledge unity despite differences
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/def...-11-
2006_pg7_25
Last article on jirga written by the BBC on 6th October
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/...e=all&
edition=d
DifferentAnon - Are you on a 'bonus scheme' for blogging lies to B-BBC?
Rueful Red:
She's a hard-bitten wumman, sharp tongue, not very bright. Struggling with the problem of Islam being so much nastier than Christianity, ill-informed criticism of which used to be her shtick.
Did a ghastly series about walking in the hills.
Scottish.
TPO:
Lee Moore:
Jeremy Bowen on top form :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/ 6171024.stm
"The assumption in the anti-Syrian camp is that Damascus was behind the killing. There is no proof of that and Syria has been showing signs that it wants to engage with the West. If so, it is hard to see where its interest would be in killing Mr Gemayel."
This crap passes for analysis.
Syria has been gagging for rapproachment with the West and failed, so its easy to see where its interest would be in killing Mr Gemayel.
How much does Bowen get paid?
Crap bbc employing crap staff.
Steve E.:
Bowen was on the box last night, and was prepared to give credence to the Syrian's usual ploy of blaming the Americans/Zionists for their (or Hezbollah's) latest atrocity. I actually used to quite like Bowen (his book on the The Six Day War is very informative) but last night's report was a disgrace.
TPO:
Ritter, Forgive me but could I refer you to this:
Biodegradable:
JimBob
‘You really are a sanctimonious oink.’ & ‘People, I implore you to ignore this cretin.’
After yesterday’s foolish twaddle, especially the wriggling and writhing over the Geneva Convention, I agree, my fault should have done it sooner.
TPO | 22.11.06 - 9:28 am
Mea culpa too.
Biodegradable | 22.11.06 - 11:19 am | #
It really is a waste of time, the child has no coherent arguments.
Biodegradable:
Contrast and compare:
"The assumption in the anti-Syrian camp is that Damascus was behind the killing. There is no proof of that and Syria has been showing signs that it wants to engage with the West. If so, it is hard to see where its interest would be in killing Mr Gemayel."
- Jeremy Bowen
http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/prin...=en&
DSNO=924950
"Syria has nothing to do with this. It is affected directly or indirectly by such horrible crimes committed in Lebanon. It is not in our interest to see escalation in Lebanon. We want stability and national unity in Lebanon. We want it to preserve its identity and establish a national unity government to lead the country to a better future,"
- Syrian UN envoy Bashar Al-Jaafari
TPO:
Close contest as Dutch cast votes
The CDA-led governing coalition collapsed in June after a row over its handling of the disputed citizenship of a Somali-born Dutch politician.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europ...ope/
6170444.stm
“Somali-born Dutch politician” She has a name!
So soon. The bbc trying to expunge the memory of Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Crap bbc employing crap people.
will:
Spreading misinformation by stealth.
The Daily Politics must receive hundreds of e-mails from viewers, but surprise, surprise the producer/presenter choses one to read out that is factually incorrect, but furthers the BBC's agenda.
Today we had the "UK/US doing nothing about Sudan beacause it has no oil" line.
Whereas -
Sudan does have oil.
China has the major interest in Sudan's oil.
China has blocked progress on Sudan in the UN Security Council.
Plus, the snivelling, illinformed wretch who sent in the e-mail would be strongly against any action by the UK/US without UNSC approval.
It is disgraceful for the BBC to promote this misinformed view.
DifferentAnon:
Ritter:
TPO actually wrote: "if I had to rely on the bbc then I’d never have known about this."
This is wrong. He would have known about the jirga, and would have known about the agenda as described In October by the BBC and latterly in the Telegraph's reporting of the result.
It was instigated at Karzai's asking, the agenda set by him. The BBC interviewed the guy, on the 11th of October about it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south...sia/
6032631.stm
The 2001 link, though dated, is the only available list of the powerbrokers. Yes, it's old, but without it there is no context as to who goes to these things.
Additionally, a brief search of the Beeb's site reveals that Lyse Doucet is presenting a two parter documentary on Afghanistan, featuring interviews with its leaders, the first part of which went out on Monday.
I've not got access to an internal database of Beeb radio and tv programmes, but given a web search reveals it was covered on BBC pashto, there is a strong likelihood it has cropped up in a report.
Steve E.:
Interesting survey on public opinion in Baghdad…
http://www.worldpublicopinion.or...nt=275&
lb=hmpg1
Some pretty gloomy reading there for the Yanks and Brits but the one line that gives a lie to the whole ‘Iraq is a disaster’ meme
“Iraqis (whether Sunnis or Shiites) want the U.S. out of Iraq, because after the regime's removal (which they applaud) it has only brought chaos,” said Joost Hiltermann, the Middle East Project Director for the International Crisis Group, a non-profit that studies global conflict. “But they also know that the U.S., for all its blunders, is still keeping the army together and is serving as a buffer between Shiite militias (Badr and Mahdi), so a precipitous departure could spell disaster for the country.”
will no doubt be rigorously edited by the Beeb's thought police once they get hold of it.
Steve_Mac:
OFF TOPIC, but interesting
The Press at War
http://www.city-journal.org/
html...ess_at_war.html
We are told by careful pollsters that half of the American people believe that American troops should be brought home from Iraq immediately. This news discourages supporters of our efforts there. Not me, though: I am relieved. Given press coverage of our efforts in Iraq, I am surprised that 90 percent of the public do not want us out
TPO:
Steve E.:
“Interesting survey on public opinion in Baghdad…”
http://www.worldpublicopinion.or...nt=275&
lb=hmpg1
“will no doubt be rigorously edited by the Beeb's thought police once they get hold of it.”
Same as the Telegraph's story on:
“Taliban drown our values in sea of blood, say political leaders from the Pashtun tribes”
"Hundreds of political leaders and chiefs from the Pashtun tribes inhabiting Pakistan's border with Afghanistan have for the first time held a peace jirga, or tribal council, demanding an end to Taliban violence."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...2/ wafghan22.xml
You're not going to get that from the bbc.
TPO:
Sorry, that link is
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...2/
wafghan22.xml
GCooper:
DA writes:
"Additionally, a brief search of the Beeb's site reveals that Lyse Doucet is presenting a two parter documentary on Afghanistan, featuring interviews with its leaders, the first part of which went out on Monday."
Yes. But it is by Lyse Doucet. The woman who, even if her opinions and analysis weren't the purest BBC tripe, has an accent you could use to sand doors. What a typically fine choice for a radio broadcaster!
No doubt she represents some special interest group the BBC thought needed representing. French-Canadian at a guess.
Ritter:
Today's BBC media student is actually referring us to BBC Pashto in defending his claim that the BBC has covered the recent jirga:
BBC Pashto
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pashto/index.shtml
Desperate?
will:
Further to Branson's hysterical outburst
Sir Richard’s words did not find favour at ITV, which, significantly, is staying silent on whether it feels that Sky’s stakebuying raises competition problems — and even the BBC is willing to acquiesce in Sky’s move for now.
BBC insiders indicated that they would be concerned “in the long term” if Sky’s stake in ITV meant that the Coronation Street broadcaster became less committed to Freeview, or if a Sky-ITV combination led to reduction of choice in news provision.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
new...2465289,00.html
So the BBC, with its £3bn a year tax funded income & unwarranted channel creep, prevents the entry of other players into the market but it feels that it is entitled to interfere in the operation of its competitors.
Ritter:
BBC meja student says:
I've not got access to an internal database of Beeb radio and tv programmes, but given a web search reveals it was covered on BBC pashto, there is a strong likelihood it has cropped up in a report.
DifferentAnon | 22.11.06 - 1:56 pm | #
"strong likelihood"?? With journalistic skills like that you'll be lined up for promotion through the BBC hack ranks in no time!
I like your rationale though. Talking of strong likelihoods, if I agree with you that there is a strong likelihood it has cropped up in a report, will you agree with me that there is a strong likelihood the BBC is institutionally biased?
Ritter:
ok. I stop feeding now.
TPO:
The guy who writes The Coppers Blog
http://coppersblog.blogspot.com/
Has recently been interviewed by the delightful Rachel Amatt from Sky TV.
Wonder why it wasn’t the bbc? He had been approached by them:
http://coppersblog.blogspot.com/...e-on-
telly.html
But so many people posted to say what stitch-up merchants the bbc were that he obviously went for Sky.
Well, given the choice who would you pick, Rachel Amatt or Orla Guerring?
Crap bbc, crap employees.
TPO:
Here’s a picture of Rachel
http://www.gogomag.com/ra2/
And here’s one of Guerring
Oh I couldn’t be bothered with Guerrin, and I doubt if the bbc could be bothered to stick a picture of her up either.
will:
Old BBC hand Tim Luckhurst takes a swipe at the BBC's favorite instant expert, Shami Chakrabarti.
Liberty belle becomes a pin-up for extremism
Almost single-handedly she has shifted the civil liberties lobby so far beyond the parameters of mainstream opinion that ministers pray she will oppose them. Their logic is simple: if Liberty objects, Middle Britain will automatically conclude that a policy is pure common sense.
Liberty’s guiding principle should be John Stuart Mill’s advice that “The liberty of the individual must be thus far limited; he must not make himself a nuisance to other people.” By championing the errant individual to the detriment of the majority she ignores it completely.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
new...2464936,00.html
The BBC will keep plugging away with her, I suppose.
DifferentAnon:
GC: "But it is by Lyse Doucet"
Fair cop. Her accent is awful on the ear. Not fit for sanding doors, IMHO, but good enough for bringing on a bout of tinnitus.
Ritter:
"With journalistic skills like that you'll be lined up for promotion through the BBC hack ranks in no time"
Am I a media student or working for the BBC? It's not clear which fantasy lifestyle I'm being given here.
Anyway, not working for the BBC, I'd bet the house I'm not being lined up for promotion there at any time. Still, if I'm being lined up for promotion at places I don't work, I'll take promotion at a hedge fund, thanks.
In terms of rationale: TPO's rationale that because he can't find a report on the web the BBC can't possibly have covered it vs my rationale that the fact that the BBC had a correspondent there and their longstanding coverage of other jirgas and Afghanistan in general means it is likely they have covered it somewhere in their English-speaking output.
Ritter:
Check it out:
Business - BBC Governors' Review of Impartiality
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice.../
business.shtml
"The Board of Governors has today published the terms of reference and announced the Chairman and members of the independent panel it has appointed to review the impartiality of the BBC's coverage of business."
Sir Alan Budd (Chair), Provost of The Queen's College, Oxford
Was previously a member of the Independent Review Panel on the Future Funding of the BBC (1999), Chaired by Gavyn Davies
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english...ew/
reviewco.pdf
Stephen Jukes, head of Bournemouth University's Media School
Chris Bones, currently Principal of Henley Management College
John Naughton, Professor of the Public Understanding of Technology at the Open University;
Barbara Stocking, Director of Oxfam
Dame Tanni Grey-Thompson, Britain's best-known Paralympic athlete
Remember this is a review of the 'impartiality' of the BBC's coverage of business.
What do they mean by that? Even the language used is left-wing PC nonsense. It's not that the BBC is 'impartial' or not when it comes to business, (in the sense of promoting one business over another business) it's that they don't understand business, and positively attack the concept of capitalism whenever the chance is available.
Anyway - if I was feeling mean I'd say it's a panel of academics with a campaigner and athlete thrown in.
How come Jeff Randall didn't get an invite?
TPO:
It’s the sheer arrogance of these people that never ceases to amaze me.
“The Lebanese crisis explained “
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
6173322.stm
“Tiny Lebanon baffles outsiders.”
No it doesn’t. Crap bbc, crap employees.
DifferentAnon:
"Anyway - if I was feeling mean I'd say it's a panel of academics with a campaigner and athlete thrown in."
If you were feeling selective, you'd cut out the text that shows three of the academics have experience of business, too:
Sir Alan Budd, Provost of The Queen's College, Oxford and a former member of the Monetary Policy Committee of the Bank of England
Stephen Jukes, head of Bournemouth University's Media School and former head of global news at Reuters;
Chris Bones, currently Principal of Henley Management College and a former director of Cadbury's Schweppes;
TPO:
Ritter
Similar to the new Board of Trustees. jr tried to take me to task on that one, but I pointed out that two of the new Trustees Board have spouses directly employed by the bbc. A clear conflict of interests.
TPO:
Ritter
I just picked one at random from the list, Barbara Stocking.
Just a quick flip through all of the entries about her says it all really.
Have to say though that, given Oxfam's notorious cockups during the tsunami, I wouldn't trust them to organise an outing to Bognor let alone comment on business.
I seem to recall that the US played by far and away the major part in the relief work, something that was constantly downplayed by the crap bbc.
Interesting too, the fact that various media outlets exposed the shortcomings of a lot of highly paid 'aid' workers, the same ones that seem to inhabit the bbc couches, whilst the bbc ignored these shortcomings.
(do you think that will keep the troll busy)
Steve E.:
heh-heh…
“Not for the first time in human history, an internal e-mail has come to light which seems to put BBC News in a bad light.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theed...tors/
index.html
DifferentAnon:
Shouldn't cast a bad light here, given the BBC is supposed to be institutionally biased towards the Labour Party.
Ritter:
Oh yes that Stephen Jukes, former global news editor for Reuters? He who wrote a memo to his staff banning the use of the word "Terrorist". I can see how that would be attractive to the BBC.
Retraction Required
Reuters’s mistake.
http://www.nationalreview.com/
jo...jos092501.shtml
"Here is what Steven Jukes, Reuter's global head of news, wrote in a memo to his staff in an internal memo (made available to the world by media critic Howard Kurtz in the Washington Post): "We all know," he wrote, "that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter and that Reuters upholds the principle that we do not use the word terrorist . . ."
In an interview Jukes explained this ruling on the grounds that "We're trying to treat everyone on a level playing field, however tragic it's been and however awful and cataclysmic for the American people . . ."
And he added that "we don't want to jeopardize the safety of our staff . . . in Gaza, the West Bank and Afghanistan . . ."
and
Wall Street Journal - Editorial
http://www.opinionjournal.com/be...st/?
id=95001205
"Stephen Jukes, global news editor for Reuters, the British wire service, has ordered his scribes not to use the word terror to refer to the Sept. 11 atrocity, the Washington Post's Howard Kurtz reports (second item). "We all know that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter and that Reuters upholds the principle that we do not use the word terrorist," Jukes writes in an internal memo. "To be frank, it adds little to call the attack on the World Trade Center a terrorist attack."
Jukes tells Kurtz: "We're trying to treat everyone on a level playing field."
Jonathan (Cambridge):
Nice to hear Humph ripping 7 shades of sh*t out of Red Ken on Today this morning over the London Olympics funding (anyone out there working class and live in London? Yes you WILL be paying through the nose). Not what you'd expect....
Ritter:
Helen Boaden writes (above).....
"We know the public trusts us to deliver impartial and accurate coverage......
Anyone got links to any recent data supporting this claim?
Biodegradable:
"... there is a strong likelihood..." is almost as good as "While that may be true, presumably the Geneva convention..."
Arguments can not be won on the basis of presumption and supposition, neither should we be obliged to search for something in the depths of the BBC archives.
"You cannot reason someone out of a position he has not been reasoned into."
- Jonathan Swift
Ritter:
BBC kicks off its Digital Access Campaign
"The BBC has launched its new marketing campaign for Digital Access."
"The first part of the campaign will run over seven weeks to 31 December 2006 and comprises four staggered television trails which will air on BBC One and BBC Two.
The second part of the campaign with the fifth execution will air in January for two weeks.
Accompanying the TV trails are a variety of radio executions that will play out on all BBC analogue radio networks from 25 November.
In addition, the public can view the trails online at bbc.co.uk/digital."
Who's paying for that lot then?
Socialism is Necrotizing:
More Doublespeak from The Editors
at its worst we see it in what are often called 'honour killings' - young women murdered because of disapproval of their sex lives. These of course are very very rare.
from http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/
theed..._about_sex.html
Very Very Rare?
Figures show 13 people die every year in honour killings, but police and support groups believe it is many more.
Very Very Rare?
The Metropolitan Police are investigating 200 deaths linked to honour killings.
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/53.../uk/
5311244.stm
Very,Very Rare?
There are no reliable statistics but it is thought at least 60 women are killed in honour killings in Turkey each year.
Very, Very Rare?
Hundreds of people, especially women, are killed or injured in Pakistan every year in the name of honour.
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...sia/
4155162.stm
Very, Very Rare?
At least 19 women lost their lives in "honour killings" in Jordan last year.
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
4676445.stm
Abandon ship!:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talki...int/
6170498.stm
Three views from Lebanon; none blame the Syrians.
Thankyou BBC.
Ted Schuerzinger:
TPO wrote:
If that terminology is used in the United States (and I’d appreciate input from any US contributors to this site), then it is incumbent on the bbc to ensure that the casual headline scanner is fully aware of the true meaning.
Mistrial has a connotation in this country, which, to the casual observer suggests something improper has occurred when, in fact, the opposite has taken place.
Indeed, we in the US use the word "mistrial" when a jury cannot reach a verdict. As such I have no problem with the headline, although I can understand that people in other countries might not know exactly what a mistrial is.
TPO:
I write this at 11.53 am:
"Mr Gary Smith needs immediate promotion to Head of News Gathering to replace Bimbo Boaden who, in turn, needs to be fired without delay."
And by 14:10 Bimbo Boaden is shoving this out:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/
theed...#commentsanchor
Shows they must be taking notice of this blog.
DifferentAnon:
Bio,
"neither should we be obliged to search for something in the depths of the BBC archives."
Well if someone claims the BBC hasn't covered something, they have the choice of either presuming they haven't or looking for some corrobating evidence.
TPO:
Thanks Ted
Having once been involved in the processes here, mistrial here carries quite different connotations which can range from procedural mistakes to jury tampering.
Biodegradable:
TPO:
It’s the sheer arrogance of these people that never ceases to amaze me.
“The Lebanese crisis explained “
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
6173322.stm
The accompanying photo looks very suspicious to me - perhaps pounce, dave t or others with military experience could comment. Another case of "Fauxtography"?
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/
i...54_blast203.jpg
The lines of debris shooting out seem disproportionately long to my untrained eye...
Biodegradable:
Well if someone claims the BBC hasn't covered something, they have the choice of either presuming they haven't or looking for some corrobating evidence.
DifferentAnon | 22.11.06 - 4:35 pm
Somebody claimed that a current event covered by other media now isn't covered by the BBC. That claim has been upheld; the BBC hasn't covered that event now.
We try not to presume anything here. Now please go away, we're doing our best not to feed you.
Biodegradable:
Human Rights Watch condemns Palestinian human shields as a violation of international law
Calling civilians to a location that the opposing side has identified for attack is at worst human shielding, at best failing to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians from the effects of attack. Both are violations of international humanitarian law….
“There is no excuse for calling civilians to the scene of a planned attack,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “Whether or not the home is a legitimate military target, knowingly asking civilians to stand in harm’s way is unlawful.”
Will "DifferentAnon" now please Shut The Fook Up?
DifferentAnon:
Seeing as you're getting all precise on us, Bio, this is what he wrote:
"If I had to rely on the bbc then I’d never have known about this."
He would have known about it. It, and its agenda was flagged by the BBC in October. So despite the kangaroo legalese of "the claim was upheld", it doesn't hold.
Would he have known about the result?
Not from the BBC website. Have you or he shown it wasn't on TV or radio? No, even though we know the BBC had at least one correspondent there.
It's your presumption it hasn't been covered and seeing as you hate presumption, you'll know that a signficant number of times when the BBC is presumed by the commenters here not to have covered something it turns out that they have: either because it is somewhere else on the web and they haven't searched hard enough - although you've stated you don't believe people should have to search archives to show what they presume - or because JR, when he drops in, has access to an internal database that can show in more detail what has been covered in radio and TV programmes.
If you dislike presumption so much, why not take umbrage at the regular presumption that absence on the BBC website means it hasn't covered it elsewhere in its output.
Biodegradable:
Do we need even more puff-pieces on Islam?
Al-Beeb thinks we do. From the Middle East section of news.bbc.co.uk
In pictures
Muslim women in New York speak out
TPO:
Biodegradable
Just think pedant.
Biodegradable:
Who are you calling a pendant?
It's not pendant, it's pedant.
See what I mean!
Heron:
Isn't there something scarily Soviet Union about the Editor's Blogs, indeed about the whole of the BBC output. Pages and pages of Editors slapping their own backs and praising themselves when the BBC does a good show or story, and a very dismissive sneer when responding to criticism - words to the effect of "Nothing to see here, move along quietly". Adverts advertising itself in between programmes. Now I see programmes are being broken up to advertise upcoming BBC programmes. Adverts with queues of in house Beeboids lining up to praise itself.
Why do it? We all have to pay for it anyway, and you already amply demonstrate your disregard for those who don't like "What You Do".
For those who wnat me to go further, read the millions of posts on this blog on the way the BBC tries to tell people what to think, and the way it suppresses information that is unhelpful to its cause.
pounce:
The BBC and the full story;
Hungry man who killed swan jailed
A man who claimed he killed a swan because he was hungry on the second day of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan has been jailed for two months.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales...est/
6174344.stm
I bet not many of you folks read this story. I've only posted it to highlight this little snippet of multiculturalism in the Uk;
“"The officers told him the swan was the property of the Queen and he replied, 'I hate the Queen, I hate this country.'"
Well mate you know where the door is, shut it on the way out.
Anat:
Quote:
Biodegradable:
The accompanying photo looks very suspicious to me - perhaps pounce, dave t or others with military experience could comment. Another case of "Fauxtography"?
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/ i...54_blast203.jpg
It doesn't look like fauxtography. Rather, it looks like a hit (an Israeli hit?) on a military target including munitions or rockets, some of which exploded as a result and shot up. There were a number of such cases in the August Lebanon war.
TPO:
Bio
Sorry for the delay, I'm putting little one to bed.
Oh yes I see. Can I go further... a bauble.
Won't be back until tomorrow.... good hunting (Oh shit ... that's me in the Countryside Alliance)
TPO:
Pounce
just caught your last before I shut down for tonight.
"The court heard a community mental health team was anxious to help Miah, who had been going through a period of instability, according to his solicitor."
Oh yeah. How much. Considered resettlement back to the Caliphate!!
He had no previous convictions.
Here or everywhere?
Keep up the good work Pounce... much appreciated.
pounce:
The BBC statement of the day;
“The BBC's Alex Last in Lagos says the line between criminal gangs and political militants is often blurred.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ica/
6172546.stm
No sticky brown stuff Sherlock?
TPO:
Bio
Just one more........... is he down the student's bar now?
Biodegradable:
It doesn't look like fauxtography. Rather, it looks like a hit (an Israeli hit?) on a military target including munitions or rockets, some of which exploded as a result and shot up...
Anat | 22.11.06 - 6:49 pm
That sounds reasonable - compared to the height of the buildings in the foreground that explosion certainly was impressive. The photo is being used on several BBC pages now.
Just one more........... is he down the student's bar now?
TPO | 22.11.06 - 7:07 pm
He's been kicked out of there for never getting a round in.
Biodegradable:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_ne...est/
6174344.stm
I bet not many of you folks read this story. I've only posted it to highlight this little snippet of multiculturalism in the Uk;
“"The officers told him the swan was the property of the Queen and he replied, 'I hate the Queen, I hate this country.'"
He also said, "I am a Muslim, I am fasting, I needed to eat." Excuse me, I thought fasting meant you don't eat!
(OK, I know that Ramadan means you can eat after dark.)
"You killed the swan at night. It was a cruel and reprehensible act. I don't know exactly how the animal died. There seems to be speculation you may have bitten it."
Clash of Civilizations? What Civilization?
will:
O/Tish
There were a number of such cases in the August Lebanon war.
That would be the conflict that resulted in "appalling slaughter" according to the big mutt reading the ITV news at 6:30 (in introducing a report on the current situation in Lebanon).
"Appalling slaughter", wonder how they would have reported WW1 or 2 events.
Only O/Tish as such hyperbole could & does come as easily from the BBC mouthpieces. Why can't they just report? Is it because they are failed thespians rather than journalists?
DennisThe Menace:
Looking forward to 'Panorama' exclusive on BBC bungs and bonuses to 'create' news ---- Not half!
Half a story, half baked, half truths, half cocked , half assed - 'This is what we do' (all of it by halves)
In that case - halve the license fee.
billyquiz:
Will
Nah, they're definitely failed journalists, that's why the reporting is so s**t.
Failed thespian is probably seen as an added bonus.
AntiCitizenOne:
DennisThe Menace
the TV-tax should be 1/2p rounded down.
DennisThe Menace:
Something which will not be reported by the BBC regarding their recent exclusive with an Al-Quaeda 'double agent' - one Omar Nasiri. I don’t recollect a mention in their news programmes and there is no mention on their website that I can discern.
Basically, the guys a liar and a phantasist, see attached link (its in dutch) but you should be able to get the gist.
http://www.hln.be/hlns/cache/
det...art_304977.html
When he was supposed to be in Afghanistan in a training camp in 1995 he was actually in prison in Belgium.
This is basic research and verification, something apparently beyond a +3 BN GBP annual income organisation.
Half a story, half-baked, half-truths, half-cocked, half assed - 'This is what we do' (all of it by halves).
They're so bad at what they do they make Joseph Goebbels look a saint.
Anonymous:
Here’s a picture of Rachel
http://www.gogomag.com/ra2/
And here’s one of Guerring
Oh I couldn’t be bothered with Guerrin, and I doubt if the bbc could be bothered to stick a picture of her up either.
Here's one of Guerin:
http://word.oftheday.com.au/
user..._1146195630.jpg
Anonymous:
Today's BBC media student is actually referring us to BBC Pashto in defending his claim that the BBC has covered the recent jirga:
BBC Pashto
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pashto/index.shtml
Desperate?
Nice one Ritter! The Beebie's response to a November 20th story by uncovering five year old links is hilarious.
DennisThe Menace:
Re: Anonymous | 22.11.06 - 9:38 pm | #
Obviously a picture of the blessed Orla on a good day -- got any similar on Saint Jeremy de Bowen or Simpso the 'liberator'?
I understand Jeremy B. used to like a Gill or ten, particularly during his 1st rotation in Lebanon when his Lebanese driver was killed (avoidably I believe).
Diana:
This is OFF TOPIC
But HAPPY THANKSGIVING to you all!!!
Let's hope that next year you can give thanks for not having a TV license fee
Anonymous:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
6172660.stm
"Last month, one US survey estimated that some 655,000 Iraqis might still be alive but for the US-led invasion of 2003.
The figures were vigorously disputed by supporters of the war in Iraq, including US President George W Bush, but there is backing for the methodology used among some statisticians."
The figures were also disputed by some opponents of the war, but that would undermine the Beeb's party line.
Of course, Dubya was cited as someone who disputed the figures, but the statisticians who provide "backing for the methodology used" remain anonymous.
All of this is written under the byline "Getting facts".
archduke:
"But HAPPY THANKSGIVING to you all!!!
Let's hope that next year you can give thanks for not having a TV license fee"
And a happy thanksgiving to your good self too.
you could do us a favour and lobby your local politicans to make it easier for us to migrate to the U.S. (should it all go pear shapped over here).
ever see the immigration requirements to get into the U.S.?
http://www.usembassy.org.uk/cons...a/iv/
index.html
no wonder you have a big illegal alien problem - its so darn hard to do it legally.
Biodegradable:
Omar Nasiri...
Basically, the guys a liar and a phantasist, see attached link (its in dutch) but you should be able to get the gist.
http://www.hln.be/hlns/cache/ det...art_304977.html
When he was supposed to be in Afghanistan in a training camp in 1995 he was actually in prison in Belgium.
"Omar Nasiri" is not his (the spy's) real name. Newsnight stated that clearly.
Anonymous:
Drug dealing barrister jailed:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...don/
6174962.stm
"Hassan Modjiri, 27, was secretly filmed in his south-west London flat discussing a drugs sale with arms dealer Paul Murdoch, 36, a court heard."
...
"Judge John Hillen, sitting at Blackfriars Crown Court, told them: "You are an odd couple indeed.""
A Muslim and an arms dealer? Who would have thunk it?
On another topic, it looks like Modjiri's defense lawyer, Benjamin Squirrell, enjoys sucking at the taxpayer's tit:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/115489.stm
amimissingsomething:
will | 22.11.06 - 8:08 pm | #
and just think, 9/11 has been referred to as a "disaster" but when as "appalling slaughter?"
archduke:
" amimissingsomething | 23.11.06 - 12:21 am |"
the bbc referred to it as a mere "tragedy".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...cas/
5277732.stm
moving on, LGF as pointed out a great example of BBC doublethinkthoughtcrimetiedupinknotsmoonbattery
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
6167458.stm
"As well as highlighting the issue of cluster bombs, Amnesty found that Hezbollah hid Katyusha rockets among civilians and often fired them into Israel from the cover of civilian villages.
But researchers found no evidence that Hezbollah actually used civilians as human shields during the fighting. "
WTF???
archduke:
a bit OT , but this just shows the popularity of blogs.
mentions something techie , and the lurkers come out of the closet.
thats what LGF just did here:
ttp://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?
entry=23429_LGF_Technical_Update#comments
over 1000 comments (!!!!)
archduke:
gah.. url barfed.
here it is
http://
www.littlegreenfootballs....Update#comments
Socialism is Necrotizing:
The BBC tell you about AIDS in Britain today
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/healt...lth/
6172230.stm
and The Daily Mail tell you about AIDS in Britain today
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
pages...in_page_id=1770
The BBC---Dangerous and bad for your health.
TPO:
Good morning everyone and happy Thanksgiving to Diana and family.
SiN
Thanks for this:
Three in four of all new heterosexual cases of HIV in Britain last year were among African immigrants, according to official figures.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
pages...in_page_id=1770
Goodness me. If I had to rely on the bbc then I’d never have known about this. Ho hum
Off to mums & toddlers singing group now … bye
Abandon ship!:
Today programme
2 + 2 = 5
There have now been 5 assasinations of anti-Syrian politicians in Lebanon. Still the BBC maintains that these might not have been carried out by Syria, newest member of the BBC's axis of reason.
Kim Ghattas provides more despicable reporting from Lebanon. Gemayel is now referred to as a former leader of the "right wing" falange party. I wondered how long it would be in her report before other suspects were fingered. Sure enough, towards the end of her report she interviews a Lebanese man who blames Israel, co-head of the BBC's axis of evil. For that matter, why not get the President of Iran's view also, and David Irving, to see who they think was to blame?
Pete_London:
When it comes to your health, AIDS can't hold a candle to liberals. It must be a couple of days since we saw that liberalism kills, and here's yet another:
Man's tribute to 'fantastic wife'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...all/
6173390.stm
The husband of the cleaner stabbed to death while she worked in Cornwall speaks of his family's devastation.
Gary Chester-Nash, 28, was sentenced to life in prison on Wednesday for murdering 59-year-old Jean Bowditch.
He stabbed her nine times as she cleaned a bungalow in Carbis Bay in October 2005.
I think A Tangled Web sums it up well:
http://
atangledweb.squarespace.c...ategoryId=80082
Gary Chester-Nash, 28, was known to be a "predatory and dangerous" person who fantasised about committing violent acts and was under the supervision of probation officers. He was obsessed with knives and wrote a chilling account of how he planned to rape a woman. And yesterday there was outrage that despite his history, Chester-Nash was not kept behind bars. Instead, the Judiciary allowed him to walk free - and he fulfiled his wish by brutally killing a 59 year old woman.
will:
Gemayel is now referred to as a former leader of the "right wing" falange party
Reminds me of the late, great Marty Feldman's spoof football commentary, where, as the game goes against England, the referee who starts as Swiss, becomes German speaking Swiss & ends as a Nazi goose-stepping his way back to the centre circle.
Abandon ship!:
This has really got my goat.
BBC fantasy about "axis of reason" member Syria:
"The assumption in the anti-Syrian camp is that Damascus was behind the killing. There is no proof of that and Syria has been showing signs that it wants to engage with the West. If so, it is hard to see where its interest would be in killing Mr Gemayel."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
6171024.stm
Non-BBC reality about "axis of evil" member Syria:
"Mr Gemayel’s allies quickly accused Syria or its allies of the crime, and it’s difficult to disagree. With the late minister dead and six pro-Syrian ministers having just resigned, Lebanon’s Government is near the stage where it will be constitutionally forced to resign.
This is a priority for Syria as it would undermine Lebanon’s formal endorsement of the court being established by the UN to try suspects in the Hariri case. Syrian officials fear being fingered by the UN investigation."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
art...2466572,00.html
Abandon ship!:
Gemayel:
Notable that the BBC apes the views of the Independent and Guardian.
http://news.independent.co.uk/
wo...icle2007485.ece
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
commen...1954670,00.html
Wonder why? Don't they read anything else at the BBC? Oh yes, the Morning Star.
will:
The woes of being old media, without the benefit of tax funding.
The stock market has risen over 30% in the last 2 years, but the value of The Mirror appears to have fallen by 25%
Marcus Evans, the multimillionaire conference organiser, is ready to bid for the Daily Mirror, but only if its current owners accept £200 million less than he offered two years ago, The Times has learnt.
The low-profile Mr Evans, who made an unsuccessful attempt to buy the tabloid in 2004, is willing to offer about £550 million to £600 million — far less than the £700 million to £800 million last time.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
new...2466959,00.html
T:
The AIDS story is interesting. IF you read the BBC version you are left asking, "Well why are there so many more AIDS cases" the story doesn't explain it at all despite the cause being patently obvious.
And the cost ofdealing with the thousands of AIDS cases? Unmentioned.
TPO:
T:
"And the cost of dealing with the thousands of AIDS cases? Unmentioned."
Precisely.
Which goes to show if you want real news and analysis you cannot rely on the bbc because they will filter it through their multi-culti divi processes to spin it as they think we should be reading it and not as it really is.
Cockney:
Has anyone spotted any reporting on the Beeb re: the highly amusing love-in between their dreadful ex-employee Polly Toynbee and the Conservatives? I'd have thought they'd be all over it like a rash but haven't seen anything on the news and traumatically my PC locks up when I try to go on the website for some reason...
TPO:
Is this what you're after Cockney?
Polly Toynbee ………………. By Boris Johnson
“For Telegraph readers unfamiliar with her work, Polly used to be the BBC's health and social affairs correspondent, and now writes a weekly column in the Guardian.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opini...1/23/
do2301.xml
“In an ideal Polly Toynbee world, private sector broadcasting would be banned, Rupert Murdoch would be nationalised, and the BBC would hire thousands more taxpayer-funded social affairs correspondents to psalm the benefits of social” democracy.
I do so like this bit:
“And the private-school-using, villa-owning Polly Toynbee”
But there’s plenty more in the article.
Typical bbc mentality stuff. Incapable of telling the truth and believing in a divine right to preach to the rest of us how we should conduct our lives whilst doing the opposite.
Cockney:
...or indeed the call from the CBI and Institute of Directors for a new political party to fill the increasingly gaping business friendly hole.
TPO:
Here’s more:
Anger at Cameron's endorsement of Toynbee
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/
...npolitics23.xml
Blue Labour at work. UKIP here I come
TPO:
The only reference so far on bbc that I can find.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/61.../uk/
6171692.stm
TPO:
Now why is the bbc not reporting this:
Allah blessed me, tells killer of British tourist
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...3/
wjordan23.xml
Ho hum again!
archduke:
jeremy vine "we lost the war , we lost the war! we're getting out of iraq"
err.. no. we're leaving it to the Americans actually. they're going to increase troop levels in Iraq because our boys are badly needed in Afghanistan.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006...news/
policy.php
"WASHINGTON: Pentagon officials conducting a review of Iraq strategy are considering a substantial but temporary increase in American troop levels and the addition of several thousand more trainers to work with Iraqi forces, a senior Defense Department official said."
Pete_London:
TPO
Blue Labour at work. UKIP here I come
Funny that. I spoke with my (Conservative) MP just this morning to tell him that I won't vote for him and that I'll be urging as many people as possible not to vote for him. In truth, he's exasperated at the Tories and he's a front bencher! But as I said to him, if you ain't doing anything about it then you son't have my sympathy.
Five minutes later I joined UKIP.
DumbJon:
Indeed, Archduke.
Good balance on the Jeremy Whine Show as well. Snivelling Liberal with a Lawrence of Arabia complex Matthew Parris arguing for the surrender now! point vs screaming Liberal John Kerry er.... Nichol, arguing for surrender now! (but it's all the politicians fault). Not a working pair of genitals amongst all three of them.
Umbongo:
"Has anyone spotted any reporting on the Beeb . . ?"
Polly was interviewed at length on yesterday's "Today" programme - the BBC couldn't wait to endorse the "Conservative" Party position on this one.
Steve E.:
Abandon Ship!
I don't suppose the Beeb will be reporting this anytime in the near future…
‘A group calling themselves "Fighters for the Unity of Al-Sham [Greater Syria] and its Liberty" took responsibility for the assassination in a communiqué that read: "Allah granted us success today as well, in the assassination of the agent Pierre Gemayel, one of those who unceasingly spouted their venom against Syria and against the Resistance [i.e. Hizbullah], shamelessly and without any trepidation. This is the fate of the traitors, agents, and hired hands who do no hesitate to belittle Lebanon's unity, liberty, integrity, and future for the sake of the enemy's interests. All of those who harm those people who have paid the steep price for the Arabs and for Lebanon - may their voices be silent and may their mouths be mute. We crossed out this agent [Pierre Gemayel] from the list of our targets, and sooner or later we will pay the rest of the agents their due..."
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.....cgi?
ID=IA30206
(hat tip counterterrorismblog)
Umbongo:
And guess who's on Question Time tonight?
Steve E.:
Abandon Ship!
No word from the Beeb on this, either…
“Lebanese Christians tore down and burned portraits of Hezbollah’s tactical Christian ally Michel Aoun in Sassine Square (Achrafieh, Beirut) and elsewhere in the city.
When I first moved to Beirut, Bashir Gemayel's portrait hovered over that square like a deity, around the corner from a shopping mall and across the street from a Starbucks. Bashir was assassinated shortly after being elected president of Lebanon in 1982, most likely for his anti-Syrian, anti-Palestinian, and pro-Israeli position. Pierre Gemayel, murdered just yesterday, was his nephew.
I'm not sure when, exactly, but at some point Michel Aoun's portrait went up in Sassine. It looks like the ghost of Bashir owns the square again now.”
UPDATE: Mustapha at Beirut Spring says "today will herald a new age of Hezbollah Isolation," since Aoun's group is attending Gemayel's funeral. He may well be right. Hezbollah, properly cowed by the Lebanese majority, cancelled their scheduled riot today.”
http://michaeltotten.com/
gordon-bennett:
I've just phoned in a complaint about the daily politics coverage of the BA jewellery "scandal".
The BA position is that jewellery must not be worn with uniforms and a cross is an item of jewellery. To put it another way, the cross was banned on jewellery grounds and not on religious grounds.
This didn't stop the beeb using the bogus religious argument to stir the pot against BA and to suggest that christians are disadvantaged compared to Sikhs, etc.
The lady could always wear the cross under her uniform so why doesn't she just do that? After all if god exists and is omniscient he will know that she is wearing the cross and she will get her brownie points anyway.
If the beeb reporters really are so intelligent then they surely understand the logic of the affair therefore they must be stirring things up deliberately.
Steve E.:
Yet more from Lebanon…
“When in need, call up your fake, pseudo-jihadist terrorist group.
It turns out that a group has claimed responsibility for Gemayel's assassination. A statement was sent to Lebanese media, and published by An-Nahar, signed by none other than "the Strugglers for the Unity and Freedom of the Levant."
The group, a fake one, was the same (hitherto unknown) group that claimed responsibility for the murder of Gebran Tueni a year ago. Also, it's the same fake group that threatened to kill the successor of then-UN prosecutor Detlev Mehlis. On a side note, Mehlis told a German paper that he thinks it's obvious that Syria or its proxies were behind Gemayel's killing.
Part of the fake group's statement read: "God has helped us today also in the liquidation of the agent Pierre Gemayel, one of those who never ceased spreading their poison against Syria and the resistance [Hezbollah], without shame."
But I have a better one for you. Here's a prediction: some genius in Syria (or one of its Lebanese pitbulls) will soon make a "brilliant" forensic connection, tying the use of silencers in the murder of Gemayel with a "report" that appeared days ago (before the murder) in the pro-Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah paper Al-Akhbar (as well as a spectacularly hilarious "open letter" published in another pro-Syrian rag, Ad-Diyar, one day before the Al-Akhbar report, by sheer coincidence of course), which was all too innocently picked up by the Bashar internet tool Cham Press, which "reported" that the US embassy has smuggled (you guessed it) silencers!
However, the prize must go to Ad-Diyar's open letter. A constant target of these rags is US Amb. Jeffrey Feltman, and it's no coincidence that Hezbollah has been bashing him at every turn, and that Nasrallah labeled the Seniora government the "Feltman government." Sure enough, he was targeted in these "reports." But Ad-Diyar's creativity went one notch above the rest, when it "confirmed" as "common knowledge" that David Satterfield was "busy training the cadres and leaders of Lebanese militias."
I'll give you a moment to wipe your tears. Mark my words, some luminary is bound to make the suggestion, or should I call it "analysis."
http://beirut2bayside.blogspot.c...-whos-
back.html
Why is the BBC not reporting ANY of this?
gordon-bennett:
On the toynbee matter, my habit is to make a daily visit to the unmissable FactCheckingPollyanna blog where pt is frequently demolished by careful, impartial fact checking.
http://factcheckingpollyanna.blo...a.blogspot.com/
Bookmark it!
Biodegradable:
The lady could always wear the cross under her uniform so why doesn't she just do that? After all if god exists and is omniscient he will know that she is wearing the cross and she will get her brownie points anyway.
gordon-bennett | 23.11.06 - 1:05 pm
To be fair the lady does say that she specifically wants others to see her cross:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_ne...don/
6165368.stm
"I am fairly disappointed but I'm looking forward to the next stage because the cross is important and the truth will be revealed.
"It is important to wear it to express my faith so that other people will know that Jesus loves them."
Ms Eweida said people of other faiths were allowed to wear visible religious symbols such as headscarves and she wanted to be allowed to do the same.
TPO:
gb
"Bookmark it!"
Done
Now here’s a story in the Telegraph: Nearly 100 MPs join protest over BA cross ban
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/.../23/
umps123.xml
And the same story in the Mail: Almost 100 MPs sign motion condemning BA as backlash grows
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
pages...in_page_id=1770
Ho hum! Can’t find this anywhere on the bbc website. Perhaps they’re covering it here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pashto/index.shtml
TPO:
Bio
Where's your bauble today?
Biodegradable:
TPO:
Shhh... don't talk of the devil, or he may appear.
TPO:
“Lawrence Barnes:
From a puzzled Yank: what is a "D-Notice", and have the British news media told you about those Iranians living in the Moscow airport? Google "kamalfar moscow airport" for details. Just how much news are you allowed to have??
Lawrence Barnes | 22.11.06 - 5:16 am | “
Laurence I can’t see any response to your query, this might help:
http://www.dnotice.org.uk/
And this
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/uk/d.htm
Can’t find your link to the Iranians in Moscow airport, can you provide further info?
“Just how much news are you allowed to have??”
Well whatever the censorious bbc sees fit to tell us, providing it fits in with their multi-culti take on life and it is suitably anti Israeli and anti US.
TPO:
Found it here Lawrence:
http://pajamasmedia.com/2006/11/
...rapped_in_m.php
http://michellemalkin.com/archiv...ives/
006398.htm
Predictably, another story the bbc chooses to hide from us.
It’s a grotesque parody on that Tom Hanks film where he’s stuck in the arrivals lounge for weeks on end.
TPO:
The reason why this is being withheld from us is:
1. UN incompetence
2. Iran in a bad light.
Steve E.:
Apropos nothing in particular, Steyn is in good form here…
“I think Britain is a real tragedy. Britain has been the single greatest force for good in the modern era, exporting its language, its legal system and its broader culture to every corner of the planet. I cannot understand it why the people who most disdain the Britannic inheritance is the mother country itself, the metropolis. It’s absurd.”
http://newcultureforum.blogspot....ture-
forum.html
TPO:
The more I look at this the more unpleasant it becomes.
http://politicscentral.com/2006/
...alfar_video.php
If she is returned to Iran this woman will most probably be executed after some islamic kangaroo court has dispensed its 'justice'
Is there no one in the bbc prepared to run with this story? I despise the lot of you.
TPO:
EU COURT ORDERS RUSSIA TO HALT KAMALFAR 'EXTRADITION':
http://pajamasmedia.com/
So the European Court of Human Rights is now wading in and still no word from the bbc.
Socialism is Necrotizing:
TPO please keep up with the plight of Kamalfar and her children.
Socialism is Necrotizing:
here we are at the very great EU Ref
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com...ey-tell-
em.html
Abandon ship!:
This is sad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/inde...ndex.shtml?
logo
Biodegradable:
How the BBC always gives the benefit of the doubt to the "Palestinians":
The Jerusalem Post:
57 year-old female bomber detonates herself near troops
Eight IDF soldiers were wounded on Thursday as the army intensified its efforts to stop the ongoing Kassam rocket fire from the Gaza Strip.
A 57 year old female suicide bomber detonated near soldiers in the Jebalya refugee camp Thursday evening, the IDF said. Three soldiers were lightly wounded by the blast.
Reports said that soldiers had received an intelligence tip that a female suicide bomber was about to strike. The IDF said soldiers spotted the bomber and threw a stun grenade at her, causing her to set off the explosives she was carrying.
Hamas later claimed responsibility for the attack and identified the woman as Fatma Omar An-Najar.
The BBC:
Palestinians die in Israeli raid
A man who may have been a civilian or a militant was also shot dead.
A 57-year-old female suicide bomber attacked Israeli troops in Jabaliya. It was not clear if she detonated her bomb or was killed by an Israeli grenade.
Two soldiers were lightly wounded in the blast, Israeli army radio said. Governing Palestinian party Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack by the bomber, named as Fatma Najar.
There are conflicting reports as to whether one of Thursday's casualties, 20-year-old Muhammad Jarjawi, had been fighting Israeli troops or was a bystander.
Biodegradable:
The story above about the female suicide bomber first appeared on the news.bbc.co.uk "latest" news ticker as something like "Female suicide bomber injures Israeli troops... more soon", but that has since been removed and the only link to the story, buried among the feature about "Palestinian" dead is in the news ticker as "At least five Palestinians die in Israeli operations in the Gaza Strip."
Make lots of noise about "Palestinian" terrorists getting what they deserve, keep quite about their attempts to commit mass murder on Jews and subsequent Jewish casualties - it's what we (The BBC) do.
TPO:
SiN
I've emailed Melanie Phillips in the hopes that she might be able to give it some publicity, if not in her column, then through her blog.
Seems that CNN are now running with it. Will try and look later.
pounce:
When is foreign occupation not foreign occupation according to the BBC?
When it’s “military and political rule over its smaller neighbour”
“In 2005, Syria withdrew its troops from Lebanon following 29 years of military and political rule over its smaller neighbour, after massive international pressure following the assassination of Mr Hariri.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
6175508.stm
Mustn’t go and upset the master race should we BBC…
will:
With More4 attracting vanishingly small audiences by devoting every night to a left wing/anti-US agenda one wonders why the BBC feels the need to follow suit.
BBC's "Robin Hood" has now shed more that 30% of its first night audience. Meanwhile "The State Within", which attracted 5.21m for its first episode, dropped out of the BBC1 top 30 for the second - to what? At least 1.25m fewer viewers.
http://www.barb.co.uk/
viewingsum...uestTimeout=500
Peregrine:
As the BBC is filled with metropolitan types who love to tax us poor little citizens who fail to make the "informed" choices in our lifestyles, it is hardly a surprise what responses to the decision of the ECJ to disallow internet shopping, without having to pay duty twice, the BBC decide to publish.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/61.../uk/
6175656.stm (Sorry haven't got the knack of posting links)
So eight different views all supporting the decision. Do the BBC really believe that this reflects the views of any smokers and many drinkers?
As the BBC tax hurts the poorest, so do the ridiculously high duties on tobacco and alcohol. The clearest case of BBC bias I think I have ever seen.
Robin:
I`m told that The World At One was extended by half an hour today.I thought something momentous for mankind might have happened ,can anyone enlighten me?
bobbydon:
Peregrine - yes the BBC reporting in the link you gave is shocking. Utterly worthless except for its propaganda value.
And the BBC's reporting of the [admittedly] sad death of Nick Clarke shows its self-indulgent nature.
will:
Gavin Esler who tells us that he likes America (& despite the evidence of his recent moonlighting at the Daily Mail, Esler is an honourable man) sends this joke in the Newsnight e-mail
Today's Joke Fit For an Eleven Year Old comes from an Iranian friend of
mine who wishes to remain anonymous.
An American gets on a plane and finds himself seated next to an Iranian
lady.
He sees her Iranian passport and strikes up a conversation.
"So tell me," he says, "why does a country like Iran - with so much oil
and gas - need a nuclear programme?"
The Iranian lady looks at him, a little puzzled.
"That's an interesting question," she says. "But let me ask you
something first.
A horse, a cow and a deer all eat the same stuff...grass.
Yet the deer excretes little pellets, the cow turns out a flat patty and
the horse produces muffins of dried poop.
Why do you suppose that is?
The American guy is dumbfounded.
Finally he replies: "I haven't the slightest idea."
"Oh, I see," says the Iranian, "so how is it you feel qualified to
discuss Iran's nuclear programme when you don't know s**t?"
GCooper:
will repeats Esler's punchline:
"Oh, I see," says the Iranian, "so how is it you feel qualified to
discuss Iran's nuclear programme when you don't know s**t?""
That's never stopped Esler. Nor any of his colleagues.
Alan:
This report highlights another
reason why the UK should ban the wearing of the burqa in public, (like Holland has just done), and not ban the wearing of a visible
Christian cross (as British Airways has done). Al-Beeb, please note:
" Canada: Burqa-clad thief robs
Brampton jeweller",
http://www.acage.org/news/
(posted 23 Nov.)
Anonymous:
TPO:
Now why is the bbc not reporting this:
Allah blessed me, tells killer of British tourist
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...3/ wjordan23.xml
Ho hum again!
TPO | 23.11.06 - 12:27 pm | #
All sorts of media outlets (and the Grauniad) are reporting this story...
http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl...&
ncl=1111425987
Yet the BBC, who the Liberator of Kabul brags about having more overseas presence than competitor media outlets, can't seem to get their Amman reporter(s) off their arse(s) and report this story?
What the f*ck is the point of this page?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
default.stm
pounce:
The Biased BBC at work
Yesterday in Beirut 800,000 people took to the streets in which to protest at the assassination of Christian politician Pierre Gemayel
http://www.guardian.co.uk/syria/...src=rss&
feed=12
The protests were aimed at Syria and Hezbollah.
So how does the BBC report on the mood in the region?
Lebanese viewpoints
Three Lebanese people give their views on the significance of the past few days in their country: the assassination of anti-Syrian politician Pierre Gemayel, and the huge crowds attending his funeral rally.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talki...int/
6176740.stm
1st viewpoint ; The Jews and America did it.
2nd viewpoint; Not sure who did it but I don’t think Syria did it. Oh by the way Hezbollah have a valid point about wanting more of a say in government.
3rd viewpoint; Hezbollah are great and America isn’t..
Hang on. 800,000 people protested against Syria in Beirut yesterday and its shared familiar ‘Hezbollah’ (so much so that today hundreds of Hezbollah supporters have blocked the road to the airport over insults made towards Hassan Nasrallah at the funeral yesterday.)
http://www.ynetnews.com/
articles...3331970,00.html
Yet strangely in Beirut today the BBC out of a total population of approx 1.5 million the BBC manages to find 3 people who not only support Syria and Hezbollah but hate the Jews and America in which to express the view in Lebanon.
Why am I not surprised
Market Participant:
@pounce, in re the swan killer.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales...est/
6174344.stm
Last Updated: Wednesday, 22 November 2006, 17:35 GMT
Hungry man who killed swan jailed
===
I'm inclined to think that if this happend in the US, he could have gone to jail for much longer than two months of time served.
It seems to me, that public is less safe with swan killers roving in public parks at night.
""Judge Shaw added: "It's a taboo act and the only sentence that is appropriate is imprisonment.""
Taboo act isn't the right way to refer to it. It's a violation of any number of laws relating to normative public conduct and animal cruelty. In Britain people do not act like this.
The swans at a boating pool are not a public resource for hungry muslims.
The sentance to time served is lenient. This man should be deported and if not possible, imprisoned for longer than time served.
"Police were alerted by a householder."
Pray tell how did the householder learn about this act? Imagine if someone was walking in the park with children, while Mr Miah was hacking the swan to death.
"The court heard a community mental health team was anxious to help Miah, who had been going through a period of instability, according to his solicitor."
Perhaps HMs prison service/mental health service could also help in his case management.
Market Participant:
Bush berates hesitant Nato allies
Last Updated: Tuesday, 28 November 2006, 18:57 GMT
Bush berates hesitant Nato allies
===
"US President George W Bush has berated Nato members reluctant to send troops to Afghan hotspots, demanding they must accept "difficult assignments"."
Firstly what evidence is there than bush has "berated" anyone? How did he "demand".
The BBC implies that GWB behaved very rudely yet gives no evidence for it. No direct quotes, no reactions from other people, nothing. They just say it and move on.
Bias at its best. BBC delenda est.
Jonathan Boyd Hunt:
D Burbage | 19.12.06 - 10:22 am
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...3478419/
#322761
Be in no doubt, all the inner core of political staff throughout the BBC and the general news media - that is, those that have been employed as political journalists since 1994 - know or greatly suspect that the three late-emerging Fayed employees were coerced.
One such person is the Telgraph's new Assistant Editor Andrew Pierce, who is very friendly behind the scenes with the Guardian's and the BBC's political staff.
It's exactly because these three Fayed staff were coerced that the walk-on role of Fayed's U.S. lawyer Douglas 'Doug' Marvin, who claimed to have discovered by chance their involvement packing envelopes with cash, was invented.
The three Fayed staff came out of the woodwork on 29 Sept. 1996, on the eve of Hamilton's and Greer's libel actions, when Fayed sent the Guardian's solicitors their 3 signed witness statements dated 27 Sept.
Doug Marvin didn't emerge with his claim to have discovered them until three whole months later on January 22 1997, a few days after the Downey inquiry began.
Most interestingly, the Downey inquiry ought to have begun in mid-October 1996 but it was repeatedly delayed by The Guardian's failure to submit its official complaint. A full three months later on 16 January 1997 The Guardian finally informed Downey that it was about to submit its complaint, and a day or so later after that then submitted Doug Marvin's witness statement.
I've no doubt that The Guardian delayed the submission of the complaint in order to give time to Fayed to persuade - i.e. bribe - someone in his employ to carry the can. What better a person than someone who lives thousands of miles away in America?
Attributing the 'discovery' of the three emplyees to Marvin conveniently obviated the need for the Guardian's conspiritorial lawyers Geoffrey Robertson QC and Geraldine Proudler, from having to give evidence and so perjure themselves.
From the evidence it was most certainly Proudler and Robertson who put in a bare-faced request to Fayed's London-based legal adviser Stuart Benson for some supporting witnesses. Benson communicated the request and Fayed eventually complied upon being told that if he didn't The Guardian wouild lose the case.
Jonathan Boyd Hunt:
Further to the above post, there is copious evidence that The Guardian ran its original offending CFQ story of 20 Oct '94, accusing the lobbyist Ian Greer, in the mistaken belief that Neil Hamilton and Tim Smith had both received commission payments from Greer for introducing new clients to his lobbying company.
The Guardian believed that such commissions were actually bribes, and accordingly had prepared its defence on that basis. The trouble is, for reasons I won't go into here, The Guardian were only 90% certain that Smith had received a commission. They weren't 100% sure.
So, a few weeks before the trial, The Guardian set out to discover whether Smith had indeed received an introductory commission as they fervently believed, and hoped. However their research drew a blank.
At this juncture The Guardian's legal team were then forced to risk revealing their hand by asking Greer's solicitors to provide a list of all the MPs whom the lobbyist had granted commissions for introducing new clients.
On 20 September, 10 days before the trial, Greer supplied the list. To The Guardian's horror, Tim Smith wasn't on it. Later, that very same day, the Guardian's solicitors met up to discuss the case with Fayed's legal adviser Stuart Benson.
The Guardian would later claim that Doug Marvin happened to be in town and so also attended the meeting because he was interested in the case. So the story goes, during the meeting Guardian solicitor Geraldine Proudler showed Marvin a telephone message pad from Fayed's office, which supposedly provoked him into coming up with the bright idea that Fayed's secretaries might have been involved in processing bribes to Hamilton and Greer, following which he decided to check - and blow me down with a feather, they had been processing bribes all along.
Good job Doug 'happened to be in town', eh? I mean, without his involvement the three employees would never have been discovered and The Guardian's campaign that later "helped bring down the government" would have been holed below the waterline.
Sure enough, the meeting between Benson, Proudler and Robertson did indeed happen. Sure enough, Fayed did indeed produce three witnesses out of the blue as a consequence of the meeting. But the story that Marvin had attended the meeting and had had the bright idea that Fayed's secretaries could have been involved in processing bribes is a complete utter fabrication.
See Guardian Lies No.s 6, 7 and 8, starting here:
http://www.guardianlies.com/Sect...203/
page11.html
And see Marvin's witness statement here:
http://www.parliament.the-statio...0ii/
sp01135.htm
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