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Sue:
The Today programme this morning. See also, pounce | 12.04.08 - 2:04 pm
- Remember the Mosque ‘calls to prayer’ we all feared were to be broadcast through amplifiers over the dreaming spires of Oxford? We made such a fuss back then. Silly us!!
D’you know, at no point was a planning application ever put in!! It was just a request tentatively brought, by good, nice Muslims, to the council! They didn’t mean any harm! “We just want people to understand Islam and Muslims better. We want them to come into our mosques for tea and biscuits!!”
Sudden burst of loud church bells. (‘subtle’ reminder that nobody complains when Christians make a racket, so why fuss over calls-to-prayer?)
Comment by an Anglo Asian association Bishop who thought this fuss and bother ‘pushed Muslim people back into themselves.’ (Thrusting them into the arms of radicals, naturally. )
Other items included John Humphrys reducing an interview with Des Browne on the ‘uman-rights-for-soldiers ruling, to a fiasco by constantly screeching interruptions. Though noteworthy for Des Browne’s perplexingly stoical demeanor throughout, the interview was cut short to make time for an item of great importance. An unending, ostensibly humourous monologue by Freddy Forsyth.
Next, Kirsty Allsop and Will Hutton on House Prices. Sarah Montague only wanted us to listen to Kirsty so she shouted down all Mr. Hutton’s attempts to speak.
Then Justin Webb superciliously described the part religion is playing in the US elections. Fortunately Justin is superior to all Americans.
Thankfully Lucian Freud’s muse ‘Big Sue’ has a nice face even though she’s a big girl and only got paid £20 a day. Tut Tut. The painting will sell for millions. Tut Tut.
Today, today. Did Chris Morris have anything to do with this edition by any chance?
Lurker in a Burqua:
BBC PRESSURED TO COME CLEAN: WHAT DID THE WMO SAY, WHEN DID THEY SAY IT?
http://antigreen.blogspot.com/
Martin:
Of course no one EVER complains about Church bells
http://www.independent.co.uk/new...lls-
485546.html
http://www.lacors.gov.uk/lacors/...s.aspx?
id=18326
http://www.cccbr.org.uk/pubs/
gui...nComplaints.php
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales...ast/
3717194.stm
I could go on. Can't the tosspots at the BB use Google?
Lurker in a Burqua:
When did the BBC news become a shameless propaganda show, instead of a discreet one?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
pages...in_page_id=1791
Lurker in a Burqua:
Can't the tosspots at the BB use Google?
Martin | 12.04.08 - 10:29 pm | #
Yes we can:
Results 1 - 10 of about 224,000 for BBC bias. (0.12 seconds)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?h...le+Search&
meta=
Martin:
Lurker: I meant the BBC!!!
Oh and how come I can't find this latest poll indicating the Tories have reached 44% in the polls on the BBC news website?
I seem to remember the arsewipes going big on one from the Guardian the other weak indicating the Tory lead was only 4% or something
http://icsolihull.icnetwork.co.u...-
name_page.html
IntersetedParty:
This link has quite a funny video clip of "the UN's point man on climate change, Yvo de Boer," looking rather caught out when asked about the BBC report of the WMOs "Global Temperature Decrease/Dip" statement.
http://www.innercitypress.com/
wm...boer041008.html
Bishop Hill has noticed that Harrabin has finally responded, on the BBC News editors blog, with his reasons for the re-write of the WMO story.
http://bishophill.squarespace.co...bin-
speaks.html
deegee:
Terror threat to UK 'is growing'
Jacqui Smith is quoted in the article as saying, "We now face a threat level that is severe. It's not getting any less, it's actually growing".
Shouldn't the headline be, Terror threat to UK "is growing"? At least the ubiquitous 'militants' took a hike, this time.
rightofcentre:
Re: Call To Prayer.
A bit O/T, but call to prayer has been broadcast by radio for some years.
It can be heard in most large cities in the 454Mhz band. Often several different Mosques on different frequencies.
The CB bands are used in some areas (27Mhz), although I have read that local CBers are kicking up a bit of a fuss.
I assume they have been licensed by OFCOM to transmit on these frequencies.
http://www.nabishi.com/Call%20to...to%
20prayer.htm
rightofcentre:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
pages...in_page_id=1770
George R:
"Outrage over Alan Yentob's £27,000 BBC expenses claim....including a £120 cake"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
pages...in_page_id=1770
Opening extract of article:-
"Extraordinary details of the expense account of BBC Creative Director Alan Yentob are revealed today in documents obtained by The Mail on Sunday.
"The controversial executive is awarded thousands of pounds of licence-fee payers' money each year for a range of items – including 'dry cleaning', 'evening dress' and 'accessing email while on location'.
"Mr Yentob, whose basic salary is more than £300,000 a year, also filed a £120 claim for a single cake and £25 for repairing the DVD player in his BBC car.
"In total, the BBC – which recently sacked 2,000 staff due to budget cuts – paid him £27,300 over the past three years – including £16,830 for 'entertainment', which included meals with celebrities and dinners for BBC staff.
"Matthew Elliott, chief executive of the Taxpayers Alliance, said: 'Licence fee payers will be dismayed by these incredible figures.
'There is a gilded elite at the top of the BBC who can claim salaries and expenses as if they were hedge fund managers.
'We should now see the expenses of other senior BBC executives to see if they are being equally wasteful with our money.'"
Martin:
Coome on BBC!!!!! The papers are full of the bad opinion polls for McBean today, yet not a mention on the BBC news website.
George R:
Re- that report:
"Terror threat in UK 'is growing'"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/73.../uk/
7344925.stm
Between them, Labour's Miss Smith and the BBC report issue a vague, bland, useless warning. Neither tell us where this 'terror' threat is likely to come from. Is it from nuns, methodists? There is no mention of ISLAMIC JIHADISTS!
Miss Smith, on her trip to Pakistan, was so enthusisatic about the two million Muslims in the UK, that it would not be a vote-winner among Muslims for her to mention that SOME of them became Islamic jihadists, and violent enemies of the British people.
And of course, Al Beeb is still in dhimmi-mode, despite the ineffective mutterings of Mark Thompson about his organisation being 'too cautious' about Islam, so we get more obfuscation about vague 'terror'.
"BBC chief: Reporting on Islam is over-cautious out of fear of offending Muslims"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmi...ives/
020655.php
Robin:
There's more today on web postings about the Roger Harrabin's great global warming climb-down. The excellent Greenie Watch site notes that the BBC website has come up with a predictably weak holding reply to complaints about Harrabin's toadying:
'There has been considerable interest in the story about global temperatures authored by our correspondent Roger Harrabin, and the alteration made to the text after publication. A minor change was made to the piece on our website to better reflect the science. A number of people, including the report's authors the World Meteorological Organization, pointed out to us that the earlier version had been ambiguous.'.
What a cop out! Note the invocation of 'science' as the arbiter of truth or otherwise.
Meanwhile, the television networks in the US - run to a man and woman by left-liberal democrat toadies - are clearly just as bad. Greenie Watch mentions a report by the Business and Media Institute which found that in 205 reports on climate change broadcast in the last six months of 2007 by NBC, ABC and CBS, global warmist alarmists outnumbered sceptic voices by a ratio of 7:1.
Has anyone over here done similar research on the UK media?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ind...ext=va&
aid=8621
George R:
A comment from 'Cranmer' on the BBC and 'over-cautious on Islam', Mark Thompson:-
"... the leader of an organisation that is content to consign the Bible to Room 101 but would not do the same to the Qur’an – for fear of causing offence to Muslims. It is content to produce a documentary on Jesus from the perspective of Islam, but would not do the same for Mohammed - for fear of causing offence to Muslims. It is content to screen programmes about Christians converting to Islam, but has not dared to examine conversions from Islam to Christianity - for fear of causing offence to Muslims.
"Perhaps Mr Thompson would like to address the plank in his own eye before presuming to lecture the nation’s broadcasters on the splinters in theirs. After all, as a publicly-funded body, the BBC has a moral obligation to lead the way."
FROM: "BBC's Mark Thompson says UK broadcasters are 'over-cautious' on Islam"(by 'Cranmer'):-
http://archbishop-
cranmer.blogsp...oadcasters.html
:
Peter:
"Terror threat in UK 'is growing'"
Correction,"Militant threat in UK 'is growing'"
max:
Correction,"Militant threat in UK 'is growing'"
Correction: "Anti-Islamic activity threat in UK 'is growing'"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages...d=1&
expand=true
Rob:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
tol...icle3724384.ece
BBC reporting is apparently in danger of "becoming overly-cautious in their reporting on Islam", according to Mark Thompson.
"Overly-cautious"? Hmm, how about "fawning adulation"? I think that's a bit closer to the mark. "Helpfully silent when required" is another attribute.
Peter:
"Correction: "Anti-Islamic activity threat in UK 'is growing'"
Too true,it'll be the neo-Nazi skinheads trying to frame the RoP
Peter:
"BBC reporting is apparently in danger of "becoming overly-cautious in their reporting on Islam", according to Mark Thompson."
I prefer "scared shitless",definitely works this militantism.
Martin:
Still can't see any mention of McBeans latest low poll ratings on the BBC website. Funny that. They were bigging up the "fat talentless one" the other day when he was only something like 4 points behing in a poll.
Martin:
I see the BBC are being "selective" with our Muslim brothers again. Here is a quote from Spliffs interview in the NOTW.
"There are 2,000 individuals who are being monitored. There are 200 networks involved and 30 active plots."
And she warned the menace of Islamic fanatics is mounting so fast that police will be unable to cope within a year—unless they are given new powers to lock up terror suspects for longer.
At present cops can hold suspects for up to 28 days, but the Home Office wants that increased to 42 days.
"We can't wait for an attack to succeed and then rush in new powers," said Mrs Smith. "We have got to stay ahead.
But now the BBC makes no mention of Islamic terrorism, even though THEIR report is quoted from the NOTW article.
Ms Smith said: "We now face a threat level that is severe. It's not getting any less, it's actually growing.
"There are 2,000 individuals they are monitoring. There are 200 networks. There are 30 active plots.
"That has increased over the past two years. Since the beginning of 2007, 57 people have been convicted on terrorist plots...
"We can't wait for an attack to succeed and then rush in new powers. We've got to stay ahead."
Clearly the BBC haven't taken any notice of what their BOSS have been saying about arse licking Islam.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/
...qui_smith.shtml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/73.../uk/
7345182.stm
George R:
Mark Thompson, and the BBC 'overly-cautious' in reporting of Islam, so as not to offend Muslims;
Noel Coward, and "Don't Let's Be Beastly to the Germans" (Just substitute the odd word?...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=w...feature=related
AndrewSouthLondon:
Oh that Noel Coward (no "coward" in the deed, unlike the Beeb. ) really hits the spot. If ever a song was fifty years ahead of its time, this is it. The BBC and the Religion of War against us. Perfect.
anton:
Mark Speight found dead:
http://news.uk.msn.com/
Article.a...umentid=8057774
Martin:
Still can't find any reference to the latest Yougov poll on the BBC news website.
Looks like the BBC doesn't like reporting bad news for McLiebour.
will:
The sunday times reports a BBC News revamp
AS Gordon Brown’s chief fixer, Stephen Carter has the unenviable task of selling the prime minister to the public. Now it can be revealed how Carter’s wife has helped revamp another British institution - BBC news.
Anna Gorman is involved in a £550,000 rebranding exercise
It produces this reader's comment on the website
I think this is fantastic. The BBC is a brilliant broadcaster and this re-branding exercise will make the news channel appeal to more viewers. It gives it a clean look.
John, West Fife
Undercover Beeboids visit sites other than B-BBC!
Peter:
Martin,
No the BBC hasn't mentioned Browns plunge from plus 48 down to -37 approval rating.The kind of "straight news reporting" one would expect from the BBC.
Peter:
Rebranding,a euphemism used in the business world for knackered.Same old product different name,sell your shares,quick.
Peter:
Who would have believed it? BBC robbed suspected inside job involved.
amimissingsomething:
one more correction:
"islamophobia in the UK is growing"
TedN:
I was just listening to the World Service on the local NPR station again this morning, and heard a baffling story about cactus smuggling in Mexico.
They managed to get through a five minute or so piece without ever once explaining to whom smuggled cactus is valuable or why. Are rare cacti used in aphrodisasics like tiger parts? Are they used to xeriscape the yards of drug dealers? I guess this isn't "bias" exactly, but it is incompetence.
Woodman:
"Smith targets internet extremism"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po...ics/
7193049.stm
If you ask me that title makes no sense at all. Spit it out BBC....
Loved this paragraph:
"The government hopes that by encouraging more interaction between opinion-formers in the UK and in predominantly Muslim countries, misunderstandings about Islam can be corrected."
Cassandra:
Who are 'policy exchange' and what do they stand for? The BBC TOADY SHOW are giving them a prime spot saying they believe the government is right to want those on incapacity benefits to be 'helped' by private(profit making)firms! Hmmmmm? I wonder who will be raking in the fat profits and how many NuLab party members will be getting rich ALA the PFI scam? Would the BBC TOADIES give this mob a platform if they were critical of NuLabour?
The BBC does not feel the need to offer a dissenting opinion and I wonder why? Is this just another NuLab money making scam, just another way for the political class to bleed the system?
The BBC TOADY SHOW just had to do a spot on the fake global warming scam and they are scraping the bottom of the barrel this time!
The guest babbled his way through a list of stupid reasons why the UKs wildlife will die out and be replaced by alien species! Erring and Uhmming and erming and stuttering through some of the most silly and fake rubbish that I have ever heard come out of the mouth of a so called expert! Egged on by the TOADY propagandist and prodded to push the global BBC induced guilt trip that is global warming. In between laughing fits I heard the most stupid excuse was that basking sharks are being seen in the north sea! Oh well grrrreat, lets go back to living like pre industrial paupers shall we?
Did we get a dissenting opinion? Did we get any balance whatsoever? Er no!
Are the BBC TOADY propagandists so out of touch and so blind that they think that coming out with this patent nonsense and blatant biased propaganda will enhance their reputation as a serious purveyor of news?
The phrase, you couldnt make it up springs to mind? But TOADY seems to thrive on making it up!
Cassandra:
The TOADY SHOW is giving a unchallenged platform to the NuLabour party and Hazel Blears to spout her usual drivel that there is no problem and Gordon Brown is wonderful and pensioners and the poor working class have never had it so good!
According to Hazel Blears, in her machine gun style of spraying lots of party slogans/weasel words around in the hope that the high speed delivery will put off any disection of her excuses, the Tories are going to cut services and tax the poor and take away the services for the poor Blah Blah evil Tories Blah Blah Tories stealing the bread from the mouths of the poor Blah Blah ad infinitum!
The TOADY SHOW propagandists let the rich and deluded imbecile Hazel Blears get away with this and again no dissident opinion was offered and a Tory was not given the opportunity to give a rebuttal!
Millions of ordinary people are suffering real pain and millions face a real struggle to survive BUT comrade(im alright jack)Blears sees none of this! Comrade Blears does not see the massive rises in taxes both local and national OR the huge rises in the cost of living and real inflation! Comrade Blears is milking the hardpressed taxslaves and is doing very nicely thankyou as are all the Westminster commisars and the masses can go hang?
The TOADY SHOW are helping the Labour party and giving them a free uncritical platform to spread their socialist propaganda and lies?
The TOADY SHOW is a disgrace.
John Reith:
Cassandra | 14.04.08 - 7:43 am
Who are 'policy exchange' and what do they stand for? .... Would the BBC TOADIES give this mob a platform if they were critical of NuLabour?
Policy Exchange is one of the leading Conservative-connected think tanks.
Its Chairman is former Telegraph and Spectator editor, Charles Moore.
It was originally founded by Michael Gove and Frances Maude (among others).
It certainly isn't a nulab fan club.
Maybe you have trouble telling your left from your right?
John Reith:
...oops, that should, of course have been Francis, not Frances Maude.
BTW Gorge Osborne is speaking at Policy Exchange this morning.
David Essex:
Cherrypicking Reith remains silent on Harribin's cave in.
Cassandra:
Dearest John Reith,
I hate the Tories as much as I hate the NuLabour regime and I have no time for either thankyou very much.
My point was that IF the policy exchange were critical of the comrades at NuLiebour then they would not have been invited on to the TOADY SHOW.
It may have escaped your notice John but the TOADY SHOW has been pushing a NuLabour agenda and they have been giving a largely uncritical soapbox on which to promote and excuse NuLabour.
It says much that you have to tag me as a Tory if I am critical of the NuLiebour regime and its propaganda arm the BBC!
My dearest John, I can assure you that there is more to the world than the so called political struggle between the blulabour and nulabour serial liars all and self interested politicos.
The fact that you have to label people in terms of nu or blu is sad John! I expected better from you. You have in the past made some very good posts and you have been very informative and reasonable but your last post was not one of them!
John Reith:
Cassandra | 14.04.08 - 11:10 am
Dearest Cassandra
I haven't labeled you anything.
I just think that if you are going to sound off about political balance, you really ought to learn to distinguish Conservative from Labour.
That's all.
David Essex
I don't do green stuff. Don't understand it.
Cassandra:
Dear John Reith,
With regard to my earlier post, I look to you(the nice JR) to bring a little reason into the debate and to act as a counterbalance to my(and others)somtimes overly critical views and observations with regard to the BBC so please dont insult me(us) by labelling us as Tory etc.
BaggieJonathan:
Cassandra,
Some BBC employees and apologists on here frequently try the play the man not the ball response.
They disclaim you personally for something.
Then they link that to all B-BBC, hey presto.
Problem 1 - they haven't actually answered the point.
Problem 2 - frequently the personal claim (such as political persuasion) is frequently wrong or so simplistic as to be intentionally misleading.
Problem 3 - you can't extrapolate that one person, right or wrong, to everyone else anyway.
The good news is people can see through it pretty easy, its very tired and lame indeed, you would think they would stop trying it as a tactic, but sadly it would appear they don't.
John Reith:
Cassandra | 14.04.08 - 11:19 am
please dont insult me(us) by labelling us as Tory etc.
I say again - I haven't labeled you anything so I don't know what you and now BaggieJ are going on about.
In any case, I wouldn't regard 'Tory' as an insult.
Cassandra:
Dear Baggie J,
Thanks for the informative post, its opened my eyes to the tactics used by the BEEBOID collective!
If the collective known as JR is a one trick pony then it might explain that they are indeed a BBC rebuttal unit dedicated to protecting BBC interests above the factual truth? IF this is the case then I feel truly sorry for them!
David Essex:
Very poor response Reith.
Why is it always trendy causes that benefit from these periodic lapses?
Why is always characters like Polly Toynbee that go on the record defending the BBC status quo?
I think we all know the answer to that.
John Reith:
David Essex | 14.04.08 - 12:44 pm
Why is it always trendy causes that benefit from these periodic lapses?
Not sure I understand your question.
The item referred to was about bringing private companies in to get people off welfare and into work, something that state bureaucracies seem not to be good at.
These market solutions to welfare problems are not generally seen as 'trendy' but as mainstream centre-right policy.
pounce:
The BBC, its shoddy reporting from Iraq and really half the story.
Has anybody noticed how the BBC becomes all demure and surreptitious when it comes to reporting good news in the war against terror or even reporting about the evil that is done in the name of Allah.
UK journalist 'released in Iraq'
A British journalist has been freed by forces in Iraq, local media quoted the Iraqi defence ministry saying. The journalist, who has not been named, and his Iraqi interpreter, who was previously released, were seized in Basra in February.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...rld/
7346487.stm
Not named? I knew it was Richard Butler without having to look else-where. While the rest of the world are told the facts the BBC becomes all coy? Here is how the rest of the world are reading this story:
Guardian;
“Richard Butler, a photographer for CBS, was freed during a military operation in the city, the defence ministry spokesman Major General Muhammad al-Askary said.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/
...iraqandthemedia
China;
"I confirm that the British journalist Richard Butler has been freed today in the Jubailah area in Basra," Iraqi Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Muhammad al-Askari”
http://news.xinhuanet.com/
englis...ent_7975681.htm
Australia
"He is in good health. He is fine. He's here with me," Major-General Mohammed al-Askary from Iraq's Defence Ministry told Reuters by telephone from Basra.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stori...?
section=justin
America
Iraqi forces freed on Monday British journalist Richard Butler, who was kidnapped in the southern city of Basra two months ago, Defense Ministry spokesman Major-General Mohammed al-Askary said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...8041400709.html
What is also strange is how the BBC has been very quiet on just how this man was found. The Iraqi police have been conducting house to house searches in Basra and Baghdad in which to disarm the BBCs favourite killing machine. Here is what the BBC isn’t telling you;
“Reported by Akhbar al-Khaleej [confirmed by al-Ghad], source from the Iraqi interior Ministry said that instruction issued from the Iraqi Islamic Council [Revolution] led by al-Hakim to the all Badr Brigades head quarters to hide all their heavy weapons such as mortars and R,B.G in secret places for the fair of sudden raids from the American occupation forces in a plan aimed to disarm the militias namely Mahdi Army, leaders of the Badr Brigades working as high rank officers in the Interior Ministry are cooperating to find proper places to hide these weapons, also from the same source, leaders of the BB are fled the country to Iran temporarily waiting after the end of the disarmament campaign.”
http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2008/...s-flee-to-iran/
The BBC, its shoddy reporting from Iraq and really half the story.
David Essex:
JR,
I agree with the idea of privitising the public services including the civil services and the employment services.
Sort out the incentive structure and real improvements could be made. I was not talking about this.
I was referring to the Roger Harribin/Jo Abbess issue where Harribin was caught red handed caving to Abbess and her tree hugging agenda before stealth editing his own report in her favour.
This is certainly a trendy cause and one which Polly Toynbee would heartily agree with I'll wager.
Steve E.:
Certain not to appear on any BBC outlet (and no surprises for asking why… )
“I used to love Osama bin Laden,” proclaimed a 24-year-old Iraqi college student. She was referring to how she felt before the war took hold in her native Baghdad. The Sept. 11, 2001, strike at American supremacy was satisfying, and the deaths abstract.
Now, the student recites the familiar complaints: Her college has segregated the security checks; guards told her to stop wearing a revealing skirt; she covers her head for safety.
“Now I hate Islam,” she said, sitting in her family’s unadorned living room in central Baghdad. “Al Qaeda and the Mahdi Army are spreading hatred. People are being killed for nothing.”
Violence Leaves Young Iraqis Doubting Clerics
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/
0...xprod=permalink
Ritter:
I see tractor production is up again:
Brown says economy is sole focus
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po...ics/
7345928.stm
"Prime Minister Gordon Brown has said he understands people's fears over the economy and insisted that keeping it on track was his "sole focus".
"We are on the side of home owners, business and individuals," he said.
As in past crises, ministers would do "everything in our power to keep the economy moving forward", he said."
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
George R:
In the space of 10 minutes today, BBC 24 News TV showed:
1.) its self-serving commercial agenda;
2.) its pro-Arabic agenda.
In 1.) the case of 'Lonely Planet' guides to countries, there have been complaints that authors did NOT, in several instances, ever visit the countries concerned. BBC did not state in spoken words that this publisher is 75% owned by BBC Worldwide. (See last sentence below
"Lonely Planet rebuts 'fake' claim"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...cas/
7346101.stm
On 2.) the same BBC 24 News spend its time talking about Arabic publishing only, in its item on London Book Fair, as part of its unending pro-Islamic stance, ignoring reports like this on censorship:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/...m/blog_id/
12511
p and a tale of one chip:
"In 1.) the case of 'Lonely Planet' guides to countries, there have been complaints that authors did NOT, in several instances, ever visit the countries concerned"
According to the article you've linked to the story is one guy, who was writing a history book on Columbia for Lonely Planet and didn't go there, and surprise, surprise is now publicisng a book about how travel writing is the new rock and roll or something.
George R:
More on Lonely Planet 'fake' guides;
(Lonely Planet is 75% 0wned by BBC Worldwide)
"Lonely Planet writer plays down 'fake' reviews"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/
200...ed=networkfront
George R:
"Call Crimewatch! BBC hit by £350,000 thefts...and some of its staff are suspected"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
pages...in_page_id=1770
George R:
While the BBC's emphasis in this report is on whether MPs 'will buy' 42-day detention:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po...ics/
7345932.stm
-an alternative report here concentrates on the serious nature of the threat of
Islamic jihad to the UK and Europe, rather than on the lazy reporter's '28 or 42 days';
"Europe's road ever more difficult"
(by Douglas Farah).
http://www.douglasfarah.com/arti...e-
difficult.com
amimissingsomething:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ pages...in_page_id=1770
from above link
"On top of that there were repeated thefts of champagne"
who'd've thunk it?
champagne socialists, indeed
Llew:
The beeb really can't admit that the Tories are way ahead of Labour in the polls!
Tonights 6pm TV news had a report on how Gordon is having some problems. There are a few comments on the state of the economy and a quick couple of words from the Tory and Lib Dems. But of course Gordo gets the chance to spout his propaganda and go on how the economy is growing etc (yeah right). He's been on the news every day for at least a week now, so I suppose the story did give him a chance to appear today lest he broke the tradition.
Surprisingly, the Beeb do mention that he's seen as the least trusted leader in Western Europe, but there's no word on the actual poll position of Labour and of course the Tories being streets ahead.
The six o' clock must have had a warning from Labour HQ because the lunchtime news did mention that the Tories were on something like 44%. I wasn't paying full attention, but I did hear the reporter saying that the Tories were way ahead, but she then went on to say that this was the only poll putting the Tories so far ahead and that all the other polls say they only have a slight lead! Don't give an inch!
I guess Labour noticed that and told them not to mention the polls again. That was the only time I have heard the Beeb mention the Tory poll lead. Ever.
Martin:
Anyone notice the dig the BBC had at the Iraqi armed forces on the 6pm news?
When talking about the release of the reporter the BBC mentioned that the Iraqi armed forces had come under "heavy resistance" (and the usual shot of some burnt out vehicle) then the BBC put the knife in.
"The release of the hostage was an unexpected success" claimed the BBC.
How do they know that?
Martin:
I wonder if the Champagne that went missing at the BBC was that to be used to celebrate Livingstone's "victory" in the London Mayor election? (where's Jane Garvey)
Biodegradable (Banned):
"The release of the hostage was an unexpected success" claimed the BBC.
How do they know that?
Martin | 14.04.08 - 7:06 pm
Because the Iraqis acted on a tip-off that there was an arms stash in the house - they weren't expecting to find a hooded and bound hostage there - "unexpected".
How do I know that?
I read the report.
Anonymous:
C4 Dispatches just now, 'Immigration the inconvenient truth' - a programme that showed the downside of immigration.
BBC1, 10.35 tonight, 'Meet the Immigrants' 1/6. The story of legal and illegal immigrants to the UK.
So the Beeb favours an anecdotal approach, with, by definition, immigrants who are prepared to appear on TV. Probably decent people, but meaningless TV if a proper analysis of the impact of mass immigration is what you're after. C4 at least tries.
In other words, more BBC propaganda.
Yes, I'm pre-judging. But you know I'm right.
Martin:
Biodegradable (Banned): It was the tone of the BBC report. The BBC report was subjective.
Clearly the raid was done for a reason.
It could have been reported as a "great success"
The BBC always take the negative approach on Iraq.
The action was NOT an unexpected success, it was a success. Finding him was a bonus. Although personally, I suspect they knew more than they (the Iraqi's) were letting on.
Cassandra:
Silvio Berlusconi wins a landslide victory and the BBC are hating every micro second of it!
To feel their utter and abject disappointment was gratifying to say the least.
Earlier in the day the BBC were talking up and promoting the left and saying how close the vote was and how it would be a hung pariament even calling Veltroni an Italian Barrack Obama(can you believe it?) etc etc and as usual because they viewed the election through their lens of political prejudice they were dead wrong again!
Did the BBC interview a berlusconi supporter? Er No! they chose to attend the leftists 'victory celebration' that never was and they interviewed only some ugly old socialist with the teeth of redrum(I kid you not)and making the usual excuses a leftist always comes out with when they are crushed at the ballot box. The BBC so wanted/needed a socialist victory didnt they? But what they got was a landslide victory for the right! But the funny thing was it was on the cards for a landslide but the BBC didnt look at reality did they? Oh no, they went for predicting the result that THEY wanted and got it wrong again! Its known as deluding themselves and it is common in people with mental illnesses and leftists.
But hey, why would the leftist BBC give a platform to the winners to 'crow' eh? Why give a voice to the winners of a democratic election if they are the BBCs mortal enemy?
Now the BBC can collude with the beaten leftists to try and sabotage the new Italian government and I am sure that they are even now in a meeting to plan their dirty war and smear campaign? So much for democracy eh?
If I look into my crystal ball I see clearly the BBC doing the same thing and making the same mistakes in May for the local elections, you can always trust a leftist to be a leftist!
THE BBC: WE ARE INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISTS TO OUR CORE AND OUR MISSION IS TO BRING ABOUT A NU SOCIALIST WORLD ORDER(with your money of course)
Benny:
Newsnight blog going off on an arrogant leftoid imperialist guilt trip:
"How do we feed the world in the future amid rising populations"
How do *we* feed the world? "We"? What do they mean by this "we"? The BBC is showing its imperialist mindset and showing how they think they own the world and its up to them to feed the world.
Next is the typical leftoid bit of blaming the British:
"And we have a report on how much food UK families are GUILTY of wasting."
The lefties always have to find something to feel guilty about. It's what makes them tick. Their lives would not be complete if they didn't have something to feel guilty about. They always have to find something to blame on the British. Even if the British were totally perfect and flawless, the lefties would still try to find something to feel guilty about and blame on the British. Climate change gives them a great excuse to indulge their guilt tripping needs. But why is it that lefties always have to find something to feel guilty about? Perhaps they are genetically pre-disposed to want to feel guilty about something?
Martin:
More crap from the BBC: That twat Harrabin on the 10pm news. Some facts.
1. The BBC were showing COOLING TOWERS from power stations, claiming that these emit CO2. No they don't, they give off water vapour you BBC arseholes.
2. The BBC call CO2 a pollutant. Not it is not. CO2 is a gas vital to the life cycle of the planet. Where were you BBC lot during Biology at school? Round the bikes sheds doing some fagging?
3. That twat Harrabin helped spin the lie that the Earth won't cool unless CO2 emissions are cut.
So why has the global temperature NOT risen since 1998?
4. The BBC defended China saying that it's not the overall Carbon, but the Carbon per head that counts. Clearly the BBC don't want to risk their 450 luvvies free jolly to the Olympics. Expect to see more pro China stories from the BBC as the Olympics approach.
So China isn't as bad as "evil America"
Well of course the BBC arse wipes IGNORE the vile pollution that China puts out into the atmosphere.
Funny as well that the BBC and other leftist losers hate the 4X4 and want to tax it off the road, yet by the BBC standards a 4X4 that only drives the kids to school each day probably emits less Carbon overall that a small car driven every day on long trips.
So shouldn't the small car be the one punished more?
Just how much more of Harrabin's lies and distortions will we have to put up with?
Martin:
Benny: I wonder if the BBC would like to find out how much food is thrown out from the upmarket Islington restaurants that McLiebour and BBC luvvies hang out in?
Er, no. Instead as you correctly state, they continually attack the ordinary person (those that pay their wages, bearing in mind WE pay the tele tax for most of our politicians as well)
Do Beeboids get a free TV licence just out of interest?
Martin:
Yet more BBC bollocks. On Newsnight Mr Leftie (Paxo) claimed that the Government was demanding that 2.5% of our fuel must be biofuel.
Er which Government is that then? I thought the biofuel thing was an EU directive?
Is the BBC now finally admitting that the EU is "our government?"
http://ec.europa.eu/energy/res/
l...biofuels_en.htm
NotaSheep:
Cassandra I am getting worried; you seem to be writing what I am thinking today.
Fran:
Welcome, welcome back 'Waking the Dead', IMO the most consistently compelling drama on the Beeb, and a real jewel in the crown. Tonight's plot was as intriguing as ever, and yet, and yet ....
You see, the plot focuses on the falling out of thieves, terrorists, to be precise. But the script writers haven't called them terrorists. According to Boyd, Dr Foley etc, Algeria, the Basque Country, Northern Ireland and Palestine were/are ALL 'occupied countries' don't you know? And the people who 'will kill anyone, any time' are 'fighting to liberate' their lands. This isn't the terrorists defining Northern Ireland as 'occupied', mind, but the 'heroes' of the series.
I can't help thinking that many viewers in Northern Ireland, or even in Bayonne or Bilbao might be surprised to hear their home described as 'occupied' by Boyd et al. A small point I know, but it's the drip, drip of sympathy for terror that gets me.
BBC double standards on nationalism seem so arbitrary. English & Jewish (Zionist) nationalism = racism, Irish and Palestinian nationalism = liberation from injustice; Spanish nationalism = Franco's fascism, Basque nationalism = freedom fighters.
But hey, the plot's so good, and perhaps the terrorists will be called terrorists in tomorrow's programme, and Trevor Eve is still so easy on the eye, and Sue Johnson is such a superlative actress, etc etc.
Peter:
"According to Boyd, Dr Foley etc, Algeria, the Basque Country, Northern Ireland and Palestine were/are ALL 'occupied countries'"
That is really going to piss off the Kilburn Liberation Front.
Martin:
For those interested and want a break from the continual climate change bollocks of the BBC James Whale on Talksport has Lord Lawson and Professor Philip Stott in the studio for a good old debunking of man made global warming.
10pm -1am tomorrow night (well this evening now)
www.talksport.net
pounce:
The BBC its hatred of America and half the story.
Immigrant tells of hard choices
Flor Crisostomo's story echoes that of many of the millions of Latin Americans who, faced with dim economic prospects, opt to leave everything and everyone they know back home to seek a better life in the United States.
……….
Flor is now also one of the figureheads of the campaign to get the US government to push through a comprehensive immigration reform to grant legal status to many illegal immigrants in the country.
……..
Their family's small farming business had been ruined by the North American Free Trade Agreement, Nafta, Flor says. "It's the existing economic and free trade policies like Nafta which are forcing so many of us from our homes,"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...cas/
7346003.stm
The BBC promotes this vision that because of NAFTA thousands of people have become unemployed and that because the Nasty evil yanks are the guilty party they should open their hearts and allow these poor people to take up American citizenship. (All 12 million of them)
Here is a few snippets the BBC doesn’t inform you about NAFTA.
Mexico’s exports to the NAFTA region (Canada/US ) for 2006 was $217,047.7 million. Her total exports around the word was $249,997.2 million of which $11,007.3 was to the EU
http://207.248.164.38/sphp_pages...men/
expmx_i.htm
Mexico’s imports from the NAFTA region for 2006 was $137,759.3 million, her total imports for 2006 was $256,130.4 million.
http://207.248.164.38/sphp_pages...men/
impmx_i.htm
In other words while the vast majority of Mexican exports go the NAFTA region. Only around half of her imports come from there. So the BBC has no right to promote this idea that Nafta is to blame for why this woman is playing the victim card from inside a Church in the US.
All the info above has been gleaned from the Mexican government website.
http://207.248.164.38/sic_php/ls...p?s=24&p=2&
l=2#
http://www.economia.gob.mx/?P=174
The BBC its hatred of America and half the story.
LogicalUS:
"Italian Barrack Obama"
Is he is a anti-semite, condescending racist marxist nut?
No, then he is Barry Obama.
David Preiser (USA):
pounce | 15.04.08 - 12:16 am |
Nice one. The BBC also failed (yet again) to inform the viewer that the government of Mexico, during Vicente Fox's administration, produced at least one DVD as well as pamphlets on how to cross the border illegally. Only to help keep too many of the poor dears from dying due to dehydration, heatstroke, murder, drowning, snakebite, or baking inside a sealed truck. Fox's defense was that the US ought to just open the border, full stop.
pounce:
The BBC, its favourite villain and a change at the top.
China 'now top carbon polluter'
China has already overtaken the US as the world's "biggest polluter", a report to be published next month says. The research suggests the country's greenhouse gas emissions have been underestimated, and probably passed those of the US in 2006-2007.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...fic/
7347638.stm
However the BBC couldn’t allow the Yanks to get away without one final dig.
“Until now it has been generally believed that the US remains "Polluter Number One".
The strange thing is while the BBC has been more than happy to point the finger across the water for climate change. It has refused to acknowledge that the Americans have cut their emissions further than the EU. Not only that, but it is projects such as this;
“T Boone Pickens is famous for thinking big. He founded his Texan oil company, Mesa Petroleum, in 1956 with just $2,500 (£1,200) in the bank. After a string of audacious takeovers he turned it into an independent empire that challenged the big oil companies, and today he is worth $3bn. Now this straight-talking Southerner is launching the biggest and most audacious project of his career. This month he will make the first down payment on 500 wind turbines at a cost of $2m each. The order is the first material step towards his goal of building the world's largest wind farm... The three largest wind farms in America are all situated in the surrounding area, Nolan county, which, with a population of just 18,000, now produces more wind power than the UK, France and California.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
enviro...indpower.energy
Yes I read the Guardian. How I found out about the above yesterday. Anybody else notice when the BBC mentioned that the second highest wind power generator in the World is the US. (After Germany)
http://www.eere.energy.gov/
winda...ed_capacity.asp
The BBC, its favourite villain and a change at the top.
Peter:
"Oh she's cruel and heartless
Two packed me for Gordon
Just 'cos Gordon's better looking than me
Just 'cos he's cool and trendy
But I know he's a moron
Gordon is a moron
Gordon is a moron
Gordon is a moron"
Cassandra:
Not a sheep,
Great minds think alike?
The BBC is a strange object isnt it? removed as it is from the cold light of reality! The BBC sends all its comrades on an expensive course in honesty but it seems to have maade them even more dishonest,I mean how else can you explain the TOADY SHOW?
What is it about following the socialist ideal that turns people into crooks, liars, thieves, conmen, propagandists of the worst kind and bigots that would give the Nazis a good run for their money?
Is socialism a mental illness? does it lead the sufferer down the long winding road to insanity? Its certainly given the world the most brutal psychopathic regimes and leaders has it not?
I mean they start out as shiny faced innocent middle class kiddies who want to save the world and cuddle polar bears etc and you see them turn into bitter hate filled bigots who think the ends justify the means and any dirty trick is acceptable! So these socialists end up more bitter and twisted and dishonest than the imaginary Nazis they claim to despise!
Is socialism in reality just 'cognitive dissonance'? because if it is they have a massive state run media to pour forth their madness to the world.
Bryan:
Sorry to harp on and on about the same subject, but it's evident that the BBC has lately been casting around furtively for ways to censor and snip away at the public feedback that it purports to be so keen on.
I mentioned here
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...6464098/
#393752
that Peter Horrocks appears to be leading the campaign. This after being shocked and bewildered by the strength of the anti-Islam response to the Have Your say on the murder of Benazir Bhutto.
Now without so much as a Have Your Say on the issue, the BBC has casually and quietly announced that it will no longer broadcast HYS on a Sunday evening. That was the programme that featured on radio, TV and the website:
What do you want to know about British foreign policy?
Foreign Office minister, Lord Malloch-Brown answered your questions on his country's foreign policy in our phone-in programme, Have Your Say, on Sunday, 30th March.
The Have Your Say programme has not been recommissioned. This is the last to be broadcast, but please keep sending you comments to the Have Your Say website.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol...&news=1&
bbcws=1
Could be that BBC people think that please keep sending you comments is English, but I guess it's a typo. That minor quibble aside, I'm not sure what can be achieved by continuing to comment on their site, since they've not only drastically reduced the number of topics open for discussion at any given time, but they appear to be shying away from the more "controversial" topics:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talki...int/
default.stm
And it's now become an exercise in futility trying to comment on The Editors 'blog':
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...6464098/
#393765
It's sad to watch the BBC withdraw into its comfy cocoon again having poked its head out for a while to see what people think.
simon:
This article appeared very briefly on today's BBC website under the article about Jimmy Carter not being received well in Israel.
It was gone in a few hours from the front page of the Middle East section.
Does anyone on this site ever remember seeing it in the first place? I'd appreciate knowing, since I don't remember seeing it.
Thanks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
7270168.stm
("Playing cat and mouse with Gaza rockets")
Chuffer:
Peter,
You missed out the best line:
'Here we go, two, three, four...'
Anyone else care to bet that this will be blamed on Global warming?
http://science.nasa.gov/
headline...8mar_saturn.htm
George R:
Come clean, BBC: is the new UK rule, effective from today, that all fuels have to include 2.5% biofuel, a European Union directive, or a quite separate Labour policy?
This BBC report does not clarify:
"Petrol must now include biofuels"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/73.../uk/
7347142.stm
In the above report, the BBC, as usual defers to its mentor, Friends of the Earth, that EU subsidised political lobbyist, which does not represent the interests of the British people, despite its presumption that it does. Daniel Hannan, MEP comments:-
"Lobbying is not confined to big corporations. Friends of the Earth is just as self-serving, just as undemocratic, as, say, Exxon. Both organisations are interested primarily in the people who pay their salaries. Neither has troubled to secure an electoral mandate. Involving two sets of lobbyists in legislation doesn’t ensure fairness. It simply cuts out the voter. "
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/
pol...r_lobbyists.htm
George R:
And, the BBC's climate change propaganda plans for the next generation are, no doubt, well underway:-
"CBeebies to broadcast eco season"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/.../
bbc.television
George R:
Here's your cue, BBC: get Miss 'Liberty' Chakrabarti on straight away-
"Bin Laden's son 'desperate to live in Britain' and plans court fight for visa'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
pages...in_page_id=1770
Martin:
Oh dear
On radio 5 lite they just had a debate about homosexuals giving blood.
Some woman rang in and really wound Victoria Derbyshire up.
Firstly she used the term "homosexual" rather than "gay"
They she started talking about "normal" people
Then she said it wasn't about homosexuals giving blood, but just another excuse for the "gay" lobby to promote their own agenda.
YOu could almost see the steam streaming out of VD's ears.
I loved it.
I'm sure the bBC will be forwarding the womans telephone number and address to the Police as we speak.
Oh and if you want a really good laugh today, read Littlejohn's article in the Daily Mail. One of the funniest for ages.
George R:
Al Beeb doesn't do polls, except:-
" Poll shows Arabs' dislike for US"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...cas/
7347613.stm
pepo:
David,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magaz...ine/
7347154.stm
Mr. Taylor excels himself with the line "by and large".........
this is seriously offensive.
Peter:
This BBC report does not clarify:
"Petrol must now include biofuels"
Don't be ungrateful,at least you will be able to drive to the soup kitchens.
David:
I swear that the BBC have been running Gordon's 'tractor production up' story for the last three days now, and at the top of the news to boot:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po...ics/
7347330.stm
Hugh:
David, yes, I know, and the lack of confidence the population has in this government to handle the economy - news that only broke yesterday - has entirely vanished from the coverage. You might think it would be relevant context.
mel_simpson:
"Can Gordon Brown revive the economy?"
HYS gloriously off message...
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/...1135&
#paginator
meggoman:
Peter:
"Oh she's cruel and heartless
Two packed me for Gordon
Just 'cos Gordon's better looking than me
Just 'cos he's cool and trendy
But I know he's a moron
Gordon is a moron
Gordon is a moron
Gordon is a moron"
Peter | 15.04.08 - 1:00 am | #
peter - jilted john I believe.
Lee Moore:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/73.../uk/
7347633.stm
Smith 'wrong' on police pay cut
We seem to have moved back to the 1980s with the BBC reporting public spending increases, at a rate slightly slower than enthusiasts were calling for, as “cuts.” And not even with some cloaking inverted commas.
Poor New Labour. The BBC’s now giving them the “Tory Cuts” treatment !
Peter:
Meggoman,
I have only ever heard the Tony Blair version.
Peter:
"Can Gordon Brown revive the economy?"
Yes,something about taking a pearl handled revolver into the library.
Grimer:
I can't help but think there is a lesson here...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ope/
7344381.stm
Martin:
Peter: Yes, you beat me to it. McBean said "I wake up every morning wondering what I can do to help people..."
Well how about buying a one way ticket back to Scotland, promising NEVER to return?
Am I the only one who thought McBean got an easy ride not only off the BBC (which we expect) but off Labour lover Adam Boulton on Sky News as well?
George R:
While the BBC has:
"Brown 'standing firm' on economy"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po...ics/
7347330.stm
The 'Daily Mirror' also has:
"Gordon Brown in plea for oil nations to lift economic gloom"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top...89520-20383735/
Or, in more political language:-
'Dhimmi Brown begs Islamic Mid-East producers to reduce JIZYAH', (as Brent Oil hits new high price of over $110 a barrel).
For more on the economics and politics of JIZYAH, suggest see:-
"The Jizyah continues to flow" (by Hugh Fitzgerald)
http://www.newenglishreview.org/...m/blog_id/
11930
CapnX:
Just in case you were not aware of it the BBC reminded us on the BBC TV News 6pm, "Bush has only nine months left in office" Dear oh dear and I thought a week was a long time in Politics!
Perhaps you laboured under the misconception that the current hoohah in the States is the actual election, after all the BBC gives the impression that the choosing of a party candidate to represent a party is the election. It would be nice to fall for that as Bush does not get any coverage. Just as the BBC likes it.
Peter:
"Brown 'standing firm' on economy".
So we are knackered then,Save energy close the BBC.
Martin:
Perhaps it's about time the BBC introduced random drug tests for childrens' TV presenters?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
pages...in_page_id=1773
bodo:
The difference between BBC and ITV/C4 coverage of economic problems is stark.
ITV political chap [Bradby?] got an egg out of his pocket... now then Primeminister, these have gone up 40% in 12 months. Brown loojked terrified, and waffled about.. 'eggs, chicken.... and bread'
BBC just lets Brown spin his crap.
Martin:
bodo: My thoughts exactly. Finally Mcfatso is getting beaten up by ITV and Jon Snow on C4 right now.
The BBC and Sky should be ashamed giving Mcfatso a free political broadcast.
Can anyone EVER remember the BBC giving Cameron an uninterupted 10 minute political broadcast?
moonbat nibbler:
Astonishing how BBC news online has led with the Brown economy propaganda for two days running yet arguably the two biggest business news stories of the day are not even in the business section of the site.
The Times led with news that Shell believe that EU carbon trading may destroy the oil industry in Europe.
CityAM has the scoop that Britain's third largest drugs company is going to go offshore to Jersey and Ireland because of the increasing tax burden in the UK.
These pieces of news could be devastating, tens-of-thousands of jobs going and billions lost in tax revenue.
Why is the, supposed, British Broadcasting Corporation not covering them?
Martin:
probably because the BBC is too busy sticking their tongue into McBean's bottom area.
sutekh:
Something of a rarity on the Beeb, a piece sympathetic to a Christian and one that shines a less than sympathetic light on Islam.
I'm not sure though if it's because it's a local piece (the Midlands) and the anti-Christian tendency is less virulent round these parts than down t'smoke, but anyway, credit where credits due:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...nds/
7349142.stm
simon:
John Reith--
The BBC maintains a link on the front page of its Middle East section to the report "Life in the 'open prison' of Gaza". ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/progr...ent/
7296750.stm )
The report's been on the front page since March 15. It's now April 15.
The first line of the report reads: "This is a tiny strip of land and its life is being drained out of it." This is not a quote. It is the first line of the "impartial" report. The implication is clearly that some kind of imagined "genocide" is occurring. The author is not using quotes and he (she?) does not for a moment point out the hyperbole here.
Several lines down, a man is quoted as saying: "It's like being on death row."
The issue of how long the BBC leaves reports on its site versus how quickly it takes them down, insofar as it affects the impartiality of the site, hasn't really been discussed much from what I can tell. There is no indication the BBC even uses this criteria as one measure of impartiality.
But clearly, leaving an openly inflammatory report on the front page of the Middle East section must constitute some violation of impartiality. A steady, persistent dissemination of anti-Israel propaganda, packaged as news and then left on the front page of the site for a month to be absorbed by all, seems a clear violation of the BBC's mandate. When was the last time an article on the ghastly effects of a suicide bombings on Israeli civilians remained on the front page of the site for a month for all to read and absorb?
George R:
Simon
BBC uninfluenced by this:
"Iraqi author 'Aref' Alwan: The Jews Have an Historic Right to Palestine"
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews....cgi?
ID=SD189708
Roland Deschain:
I see there are still only 11 comments on the Editors Blog article explaining Roger Harrabin's reasons for changing his report. ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/
theed...nge_debate.html )
Given the coverage of this story on various blogs it beggars belief that only this number of comments was received. In fact it's almost as unbelievable as Mr Harrabin's explanation.
pounce:
The BBC, its hatred of Israel and half the story.
Abu Bowen writes another propaganda spot for his Terrorist buddies.
So what lies is Abu sprouting this time;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
7349561.stm
“It is a narrow, overcrowded strip of land, inhabited by 1.4mn Palestinians, most of whom are refugees from the land that became Israel in 1948.”
So Abu informs the great unwashed that the vast majority of 1.4 million pals living in Gaza were kicked out of what is now Israel.
Really Abu here is a little snippet you aren’t telling.
”In 1967 the population of Gaza was 390,000.”
http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/
MFA...Samaria+and.htm
Abu writes;
”There is very little fuel, so the streets are full of carts pulled by horses and donkeys.”
And here is what the UN had to say about the fuel situation in Gaza today.
”Hamas is holding back the distribution of one million litres of fuel in the Gaza Strip, a United Nations official said on Monday, joining Israeli claims that the Islamists were stage-managing a crisis.”
http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage....49&
referrer=RSS
Abu wets himself as he writes;
“Before President Carter's visit, I travelled to Damascus to visit Khaled Meshaal.
His staff served tea and biscuits as we talked.”
So the Editor of the BBC in the Middle East has the right to visit the leader of Hamas when ever he wants. But then we are talking about Abu Bowen.
The BBC, its hatred of Israel and half the story.
simon:
George,
Thanks for the link.
That's refreshing. You're right that the BBC makes no effort whatsoever to present examples of Arab intellectuals who defend Israel, let alone profile them, whether among the ranks of Arab pundits working for Israeli papers, or those in Egypt, Kuwait, Qatar, and the U.S., who have spoken their consciences despite potentially lethal repercussions.
The BBC is quick to cherry pick Jewish critics of Israel/supporters of the Palestinians when it suits them, yet one will search in vain on the site for any evidence of the reverse. The BBC even had the gall to refer to the miniscule fringe band of extremist Neturei Karta folks who visited Iran for the Holocaust denial conference ( and who are considered traitors by 99.9% of the Jewish world) as a group of "Orthodox Jews", thus conferring a degree of undeserved legitimacy on the conference by association--a criminal act. After all if "Orthodox Jews" (who represent 20% of the Jewish population) went to the conference, it can't be all that bad!
Anonymous:
Abu writes;
”There is very little fuel, so the streets are full of carts pulled by horses and donkeys.”
A lesson for us all,reducing their carbon footprint.
Tomski:
"I see there are still only 11 comments on the Editors Blog article explaining Roger Harrabin's reasons for changing his report."
What is amusing, is that one of those comments is repeated twice. So there are only ten comments altogether!
Unbelievable, considering.
Jack Hughes:
Pounce has already linked to this extraordinary piece:
Jeremy Bowen goes native in Gaza
The main content deserves a good fisking - but look at some of the details.
The picture: the filename is "_44571867_hamas_grab_bbc.jpg"
Next look at the "FEATURES AND ANALYSIS" on the right:
'Pressure tactics' : Israel = bad.
'Jerusalem Diary': Israel = bad.
'Curse of Nablus dream home': Israel = bad
'Who are the Mid-East prisoners?': yes its Israel = bad
'Gaza's 'open prison'': once again its bad old Israel.
Bryan:
Given the coverage of this story on various blogs it beggars belief that only this number of comments was received. In fact it's almost as unbelievable as Mr Harrabin's explanation.
Roland Deschain | 15.04.08 - 11:32 pm
I know of at least two comments they didn't publish - mine. Those comments finally got through to the site after numerous encounters with the 'Error 502'. Who do the 'editors' think they are kidding? When they want to (and they feel the subject is not politically threatening) they can lift the censorship and publish 1649 comments in a few days:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theed...ditors/2008/03/
Here's one of the comments the sensitive little dears thought unsuitable for their 'blog':
Well, at least you are responding to the secretive fudging of the report.
By paying close attention we have observed the BBC's stealth-editing of articles for years, and seen it making substantial changes to articles without acknowledgement. I didn't realise you guys actually have a policy in regard to tracking changes. It has certainly never been evident, unless you call sweeping inconvenient facts under the carpet a policy.
More openness and acknowledgement of errors please, BBC. Otherwise you will continue to be regarded by many as a propaganda outfit with a narrow agenda rather than a public broadcaster.
Martin:
Bryan: If you get error 502 you are probably blocked (as I am) from posting. They block your IP address. the BBC do this all the time.
I'm guessing you are on broadband. The only other way to do it, is to use a dial up connection (where you get a random IP address).
Also, you need to clear out all you Cookies. The BBC download various bits onto your PC that flags if you've been banned (say trying to use a WIFI hot sport or Dial up). Use a piece of software like Ccleaner.
If you search the BBC cookies on your machine and open them in a text editor you can see what they record about you.
I can post if I use a wifi hot spot but not my own IP address.
I got banned from the BBC 5 lite messageboards a while back. Even using a different computer to create a new account, they blokced me again within a few hours of my first post. So it's a combination of IP address and what they record about you.
I've also wondered if the BBC use text analysing software to see if they can determine if it's the same person who writes something?
They seem to spend an awful lot of time at the BBC blocking people's opinions they don't like.
The BBC are scum.
deegee:
I'm not to sure what I think of the interview on BBC Wold Service Radio with an Australian father and daughter in an incestuous relationship. For some reason there is no link on the website although the Australia incest pair in TV plea reporting on a 60 minutes interview covers essentially the same ground. Is it normal for the BBC to cover another network's story as news?
The interview is courteous and not hectoring throughout. That's not a complaint although it generally seems to be a sign that the interviewer agrees or is at least neutral about the interviewee. Would that interviews with global warming skeptics, Israeli spokespeople and committed Christians were so conducted.
Bryan:
pounce | 15.04.08 - 11:47 pm
Jack Hughes | 16.04.08 - 3:50 am,
The BBC has no right to appoint a propagandist for Palestinian terrorists like Bowen as Middle East editor. Some 'editor'.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
7349561.stm
Yes, this article would take ages to comprehensively fisk, but here are a couple of points:
His son, Riad was killed by Israeli soldiers earlier this week as they raided al Bureij refugee camp in the Gaza Strip.
No context given for the attack, of course, and I suppose the soldiers simply walked up to him and shot him. No doubt that's what Bowen wants people to think. Here are some questions a real journalist would be trying to establish:
*Where was the boy when he shot - inside or outside?
*If outside, why did his parents allow this with a battle taking place?
*Was he killed by an Israeli bullet or was he caught in crossfire so that he could have been killed by a Palestinian bullet?
Given the Palestinians' well-deserved reputation for lying about these deaths, any journalist worth his salt would approach the story with a good deal of scepticism, at the very least. Just a few days earlier, a Palestinian child was killed by Palestinians:
http://www.israellycool.com/2008...an-arab-mortar/
Google al Bureij refugee camp JPost and it's evident that the camp is a real terrorist nest.
http://www.google.com/search?
hl=...G=Google+Search
But of course, Bowen and his ilk would never consider Palestinian terrorists to be responsible for the deaths of Palestinian children, and when they accidentally kill one with mortar fire the BC is silent.
I assume this clash described in the Jerusalem Post is the one Bowen is bleating on about:
Israel struck hard into the Gaza Strip by land and air on Friday, trading fire with gunmen in fighting that killed eight Palestinians including a 12-year-old boy, Palestinians said.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/
Sat...d=1207649987116
The Jerusalem Post should be required reading for trainee BBC journalists so that they can get an idea of how impartial journalism works. For the likes of Bowen, it's far too late.
And on the refugees, the BBC would never dream of exposing the gigantic fraud that is UNRWA. Bowen would rather make idiotic statements like the one fisked by pounce and that can be disproved by simple arithmetic. John Ging the UNRWA propagandist featured in the article, was going on about the majority of Gazans being under voting age (and therefore innocent of voting Hamas in) on this HYS programme:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol...&news=1&
bbcws=1
Makes me wonder how many genuine refugees from 1948 there are in Gaza – they would have to be 60 and over and have been driven out of the newborn state, not having left voluntarily so that the invading Arab armies “could drive the Jews into the sea.”
A few thousand? The BBC will never explore these issues.
Cassandra:
Bryan,
The BBC will not mention that young children are used as lookouts and ammunition carriers and decoys to make the IDF hold fire while the Hamas gunmen get into firing positions!
The Hamas terrorists use their own children and women to shield their own gunmen and yet the BBC are silent!
Hamas also use a Hezbollah trick of stealing dead babies from hospital morgues and planting them on the battlefield to make it look like the IDF has killed them and yet the BBC seem blind to the dirty tricks of Hamas.
What must our israeli friends think of us when they watch the BBC Hamas supporters promote terrorism?
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all tegether now it was on the 12 i love to wear the sash my father wore
kick the fuckin pope
Biodegradable (Banned):
As Bryan says there's too much to fisk in Abu Bowen's latest piece, and today I don't have the time. But one thing that did grab my attention:
Compare the maps on these two pages and see where the BBC says Nahal Oz is located:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
7344385.stm
(map: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/
i...reij226x170.gif )
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
7349873.stm
(map: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/
i...haloz160408.gif )
Bowen calls Sderot a "border town" and states that it is "hard up against the border with Gaza".
Actually it's one kilometer inside Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sderot
Martin:
interesting comment on 5 lite!!!! The BBC were doing some street interviews in Peterborough about crime. Needless to say those with foreign accents didn't think they were responsible for more crime.
However, (even I'm amazed the BBC did this) they looked at local court cases involving motor vehicle offences and 75% of those up in court were born outside the UK. Even the BBC admitted this appeared to back up the Chief Constable of Cambridgshire and her comments she mad elast year.
George R:
It's not reported on its website by the BBC, but Brigitte Bardot, (aged 73), is currently on trial in Paris, charged with 'inciting racial hatred' for criticising Islam (not a race), certain Islamic practices, and in her view, excessive immigration into France.
The following is a headline from 'Brussels Journal', not from the BBC:-
"Brigitte Bardot: Heroine of Free Speech"
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3177
George R:
While the Home Office and the BBC continue with their contrived social cohesion agenda on all fronts, including crime and immigration, the BBC comes up with this headline and report:
"Migrant crime fears 'unfounded'"
This fact remains:-
"The chief constables' study comes three days after figures released by 25 police forces in England and Wales indicated that one-in-five people convicted or charged with murder in the 12 months to April 2007 was foreign."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/73.../uk/
7349777.stm
As the 'Daily Mail' had it, in its alternative headline:
"Foreigners carry out one in every five killings in Britain, police figures reveal"
("In one area of London, the figure is one in three.")
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages...d=1770&
ito=1490
"
Peter:
Bryan: If you get error 502 you are probably blocked (as I am) from posting. They block your IP address. the BBC do this all the time.
Martin | 16.04.08 - 10:02 am | #
Is this verified/able?
I currently get a 502 on every post (to Newsnight, Editor's Blogs, etc. Even, ironically, to the exchanges about them 'fixing' a system they 'admit' is 'broken'). That said, some get through, though most get 'lost'. Therefore a blanket 'ban' is hard to credit. Even a 'moderating' (sorry for all the quotes, but there is a lot that raises 'questions') stance is tricky to grasp as often many I offer up are not that complimentary of the guys who have kicked off the post either.
In fact I am exchanging pleasantries with a junior munchkin in some fob-off department as we speak. Not sure she liked my 'Is it 'cos I is Mac' comment, bless her. It's not... er.. supposed to be, by the way.
But if I get the merest whiff that such selectivity to agenda is taking place with an entity I co-fund, and especially when I have devoted good time at their request to contribute, I will be... grumpy.
And, like the Incredible Sulk, they won't like me when I'm grumpy.
George R:
Perhaps the BBC will get around to reporting this on its website, sometime, although it may want to keep it quiet:-
"Suicide bomb backer leads group trying to win Muslim votes for Ken Livingstone"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
pages...in_page_id=1770
Come on BBC, where do you stand: are you with Muslims4Ken, or Infidels4Boris?
David Preiser (USA):
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Looks like Hillhunt has found a proxy server.
pounce:
The BBC, global food shortages and child brides.
Child brides 'sold' in Afghanistan
In northern Afghanistan it appears some parents are being driven by poverty and hunger to marry off their daughters at an early age. Jenny Cuffe investigates for Radio 4's Seven Days.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/progr...mes/
7342902.stm
The BBC points in the direction of Global warming as one of the reasons for the poor people of Afghanistan marrying off their young girls to older men.
Here is a news paper article written in 2005 which the BBC kind of omits from it biased reporting.
Child Brides in Afghanistan
In Afghanistan, it is not uncommon for parents to give their daughters over to marriage to settle debts or resolve family or clan disputes. In hard times, it can save the girl from a life of poverty and hunger. But as Sinclair found in her travels through the countryside, the practice is also deeply entrenched in Afghan culture.
http://www.npr.org/templates/
sto...storyId=5541006
and here are a few somewhat disturbing photos of those child brides as exposed in 2006
Majabin Mohammed, 13, at left, sits with her husband of six months, Mohammed Fazal, 45, his first wife and their child. Village elders advised him to accept Majabin as payment for a gambling debt.
http://media.npr.org/programs/da...de/
main1_lg.jpg
Ghulan Haider, 11, is to be married to Faiz Mohammed, 40. She had hoped to become a teacher but was forced to quit her classes when she became engaged
http://media.npr.org/programs/
da...blurb200_lg.jpg
Roshan Qasem, 11, will joing the household of Said Mohammed, 55; his first wife; their three sons; and their daughter, who is the same age as Roshan
http://media.npr.org/programs/da...de/
main2_lg.jpg
oh and the BBC leaves out this snippet;
“Bridal virginity is a matter of honour. Afghan men want to marry virgins, and parents prefer to yield their daughters before misbehaviour or abduction has brought the family shame and made any wedding impossible.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/0...r=1&
oref=slogin
and I didn’t even mention religion, but then neither does the BBC.
The BBC, global food shortages and child brides.
George R:
"BBC London Mayoral Hustings"
( Guido Fawkes).
http://www.order-order.com/2008/...l-
hustings.html
Cassandra:
Good post (as usual) pounce!
The BBC seem to forget that selling and bartering their children is an age old custom and has nothing to do with the fake global warming scam or any other imagined problem/excuse.
Why do the BBC try so hard to excuse the muslim custom of forcing young children into marriage? Why do the BBC feel the need to lie about the real reasons? The BBC are very hot childrens rights throughout the world (or pretend they are). They are so quick to point the finger at countries like Israel and America but it always shies away from Islam like its some sort of no go zone for critisism! It is heartbreaking to see a ten year old flogged off to some dirty old man for a lifetime of servitude and slavery with no hope of a decent life! It breaks my heart it really does but to see a western media making excuses for this dirty practice is beyond the pale!
Martin:
Peter: Like I say try clearing out all you cookies then either use a dial up modem or an alternative IP address and see if you can post.
When I got banned from the 5 lite messageboards I tried everything to get around it. I found I could perhaps post once, but then I'd get a message telling me that they believed I was already banned and posting as a different user.
I even posted as a Muslim extremist (posting lots of Geroge Bush is evil, the west is evil, Islam is the future, you know the stuff the Beeb loves) and I still got banned.
They are up to something for sure.
I'm not banned now. I think that after 6-9 months they must "unblock" and IP address in case it has been re-issued to someone else.
BaggieJonathan:
David,
Delete and ban eeeeekkkkk please or explain why you don't.
I can see no justification for that sort of post being allowed to stand.
BaggieJonathan:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
7350830.stm
The worst article you have read in a long time from the BBC? (Even considering the others...)
BaggieJonathan:
Qom is not my holy city.
Qom is not even a holy city.
It is at best an islamic holy city or perhaps more accurately a she-ite muslim holy city.
CapnX:
NOT THE BBC NEWS
Ex sex kitten Brigitte Bardot in court on Muslim hate rap
by Mirror.co.uk 16/04/2008
Former movie star Brigitte Bardot went on trial yesterday charged with insulting Muslims.
SOURCE MIRROR
http://www.mirror.co.uk/showbiz/...89520-20384662/
Peter:
Martin,
It seems to be a bit of a cr... turkey shoot.
I got a couple in today.
For what it's worth, this is on the page now:
Blog fix imminent
Newsnight16 Apr 08, 04:32 PM
From 1800 this evening (UK time), we'll be doing some essential maintenance to the blog. As a result of this, you won't be able to leave any comments on our blog posts from that time until Thursday morning and the comments function on all old posts will close. We apologise for any inconvenience.
The work will fix the very frustrating problems we've encountered for some time now with the whole comments system.
From Thursday a new system will be in place - this will mean you will need to complete a simple registration form in order to post a comment on the blog. Once signed up, you will be able to comment on all BBC blogs using the same login. There will be more details in the morning. In the meantime - if you wish to comment on the programme you can email us via newsnight@bbc.co.uk.
DB:
There's so much wrong with this that I can't be arsed:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/t...ech/
7349236.stm
Martin:
DB: Funnily enough here's a quote from the BBC just a while back about "predicting" sea level rise
"...But Dr Holgate said that it was difficult to make such observations based on limited data.
"The question is how do you attribute observed sea level rise to thermal expansion and what is the result of freshwater entering the oceans from ice melt?" he explained.
"The main problem with trying to understand thermal expansion is that we have relatively few measurements; certainly very few measurements longer than 50 years ago.
"And very, very few from the Southern Hemisphere, where most of the planet's water is located.
"You start getting into difficult problems when you start trying to extrapolate limited data to the bigger picture...."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/t...ech/
7195752.stm
Mike_s:
contrast this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
7350434.stm
with this
http://afp.google.com/article/
AL...MEs2SCe0aFbTabA
TPO:
The BBC gagging free speech:
The poor old preening ninnies at the BBC don't like the listeners and viewers having a go at them. Their bottom lips are quivering and they're blubbing into their microphones because the licence-payers dare to question what they are doing and saying.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/porta.../
ftsarah116.xml
And further on:
It's ironic that just as communist China lifts its "great firewall" and unblocks access to the BBC news website after years of control, the BBC imposes its own brand of censorship.
The author of this? A former BBC presenter.
TPO:
You couldn’t make it up
BBC killed Grace Archer to ruin ITV launch
A top secret memo giving the details of how the BBC plotted to spoil the launch of ITV in 1955 by killing off a leading character in The Archers has been disclosed for the first time.Documents in the BBC archives reveal that a senior executive suggested manipulating the storyline of the radio soap opera to grab the headlines from the launch of the commercial broadcaster.
In a memo marked strictly confidential, H Rooney Pelletier, the then the controller of the network on which The Archers was broadcast, wrote: “The more I think about it, the more I believe that a death of a violent kind in The Archers, timed, if possible, to diminish interest in the opening of commercial television in London, is a good idea.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/.../16/
nbbc116.xml
If they were doing this sort of thing in the fifties what the hell are the bastards up to now?
Mike_s:
contrast this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/ 7350434.stm
with this
http://afp.google.com/article/ AL...MEs2SCe0aFbTabA
or this
http://www.latimes.com/news/
nati...1,2734438.story
George R:
The prosecution case against the three 'men'-to the BBC, (or Muslims, to others) accused of assisting the 7 July, 2005 London bombers continues:
"Praise for 9/11 'on accused's PC'"
Opening extract from BBC report:
"An article hailing the 'Nineteen Lions' behind the 11 September attacks was on the computer of a man accused of aiding the 7 July bombers, a court has heard.
"Jurors were told the text, praising 'the single most courageous and momentous act of Modern History', was found on Mohammed Shakil's PC."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...don/
7351030.stm
The prosecution case continues...
Mike_s:
contrast this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/ 7350434.stm
with this
http://www.latimes.com/news/ nati...1,2734438.story
This what the LA piece says;
"Mussawi said Freiji and Khalaf "are known for their efforts and dedication" and would be given promotions and jobs in Baghdad."
"Khalaf also denied that he and Freiji were being pushed out of their jobs, which he said were set to expire April 15."
"We feel we have fulfilled our jobs and worked to build the pillars of security," Khalaf said in a telephone interview. "I think our mission . . . is done, and we have done it very well.""
In the BBC piece no mention of the official explanation. It didn't fit their story. They take a number of facts and bent them to confirm their story. But they can easly be taken to mean just the opposite.
"Iranians brokered a deal."
Iranians supported many shia fractions but not to the extent as mehdi army and which was used by the iranians to destabellise Iraq. The shia politician now know to true face iranian interference.
"keep hold of their weapons"
The mehdi army is now hidding their weapons because iraqi army is doing house searches. In one such search a kidnapped journalist was freed.
"1,600 Basra police officers have either been discharged, detained or are wanted for court martial for dereliction of duty."
These are mostly people which support the mehdi army. And now you have perfect reason to kick them out of the army and police.
Bryan:
Peter | Homepage | 16.04.08 - 6:18 pm,
Martin | 16.04.08 - 10:02 am
Their "blog fixing" endeavour seems to be right across all their blogs:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/
We'll see how their "blog refurbishment" goes.
pounce:
The BBC, the EU and half the story
Anti-EU gang assaults Irish MEP
Irish former minister Proinsias de Rossa was knocked to the ground after a public meeting in Dublin on Monday night, according to the Labour Party.
Labour leader Eamon Gilmore said the MEP was confronted by a group of men who screamed abuse at him before knocking him over and pinning him down. Police confirmed the attack which left Mr de Rossa bruised and shaken
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ope/
7349368.stm
and the Irish version;
Gardai probe gang attack on Proinsias de Rossa
GARDAI are investigating an alleged assault on Labour MEP Proinsias De Rossa as he left a public meeting on the upcoming Lisbon Treaty referendum.
The alleged attackers were "four or five" anti-treaty campaigners, according to Labour TD Joe Costello, who arrived on the scene after the incident had taken place.
....
Mr De Rossa later told gardai that he had been knocked to the ground and injured his hand, which bled. He also alleged that some of the group sat on him, but said he did not wish to make a formal complaint about the incident. But one of the anti-treaty campaigners alleged he had been assaulted by Mr De Rossa
.........
It is understood that Mr De Rossa tried to push away a camcorder being used to film him as he left the building.
http://www.independent.ie/nation...sa-
1349116.html
The BBC, the EU and half the story
Jack Hughes:
BBC rates Pope: 3 / 10
In the huge crowds that appeared around the pontiff, the BBC could only find 3 people who actually agree with or like the pope:
Photo 2: a priest
Photo 3
Photo 4
They couldn't even find a professional fotog - they used some holiday snaps instead.
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