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Ultraviolets:
And there's a link to that video again - The BBC is biased.
archduke:
QT tonight
hattersley : left (labour)
caroline spelman: right (conservative)
sarah teather: left (lib dim)
simon schama: unknown
greg dyke : left
so , excluding schama, we've got a 3 to 1 bias
Glauca:
Ultraviolet,
Thanks for the link. Great video!
I dream of the day when millions of people stop paying the licence.
Allan@Aberdeen:
Schama's on the left.
I was listening to the BBC's report on operations by American troops to find the five Britons who were kidnapped in Baghdad. The reporter was bemoaning a raid on a house which did not locate said abductees. The owner was complaining about damage and the general tone was set against such operations. FFS!! There are five Britons whose lives are on the line here, and all the BBC can do is attack the basis of these necessary ops. Did it not occur to the juvenile reporter that if the Americans knew where the hostages were they would go and get them without having to conduct house raids? The BBC is definitely the enemy's voice.
dave t:
Wonder if the BBC will report the uprising today against Al Q by Iraqis fed up with foreign terrorists killing their fellow Iraqis?
"A battle raged in west Baghdad on Thursday after residents rose up against al-Qaida and called for U.S. military help to end random gunfire that forced people to huddle indoors and threats that kept students from final exams, a member of the district council said.
[T]he councilman said the al-Qaida leader in the Amariyah district, known as Haji Hameed, was killed and 45 other fighters were detained.
Members of al-Qaida, who consider the district part of their so-called Islamic State of Iraq, were preventing students from attending final exams, shooting randomly and forcing residents to stay in their homes, the councilman said. "
http://www.breitbart.com/article...article=1&
cat=0
john:
simon schama: unknown
archduke
Oh he's left, believe me. Former tutor of Diane Abbot.
Schama's America
Sorry Mr President, Katrina is not 9/11
Diogenes:
In their enthusiasm to drive a wedge into the Tory party regarding grammar schools, The News at Ten just described Dominic Grieve as a senior member of the shadow cabinet.
It is, I imagine, difficult to be a senior member of something that one is not in fact a member of.
Shadow attorney general is not a shadow cabinet post.
It is surely not too much to expect for the BBC's flagship news program to avoid factual errors in their first news item.
Maybe I am wrong, maybe this is the kind of in depth knowledge of the Tory party that noone in the Beeb news room is expected to know.
dave t:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pi...res/
6705249.stm
For goodness sake - a pictorial on the house to house raids to find the missing Brits and THIS picture of obviously old bomb damage is used - implying the Coalition did this today whilst searching are they? BBC Twits.
john:
BBC Radio 4 World Tonight
Martin Sixsmith, BBC journalist, former Cold war warrior and Moscow correspondent, who has just written a book, plug plug... Litvenienko file, is laughing(literally) at Lugavoi's claim. He believes the gentlemen at Scotland Yard. Yes, Martin but is the CPS for England and Wales, really the same?
When I was researching for my book,plug again, he "interviewed" him through a third person "There was someone behind him"; "Certainly he has somebody behind him"
BBC man asks if this was the Kremlin? Other BBC man turns towards the question of the recent firing of a new Russian missle:
"I dont think anything happens by coincidence in Russia" says Sixmith, with his cold war hat on...
OMG conspiracy theory on BBC Radio 4. Two BBC journalists have just suggested on the radio that the firing of the new Russian missle and Lugavoi's claim today in his press conference was connected....
Bring back the X files, I say!
BBC hates Islamophobia just loves Russophobia!
GCooper:
The BBC's ten o'clock news sticks a camera on a pole at Kew Gardens and runs timelapse photography for a month.
It then tells us that April 2007 was warmer than April 2006.
One year is warmer than another and from that we are meant to infer what?
Have these imbeciles been parachuted into Britain from a country where the temperatures are identical from one year to the next?
This is absurd, actually farcical, pseudo-science, designed by the BBC to serve the aims of propagandists and fool the gullible, who, untrained and uncritical, will watch this sort of rubbish and believe it.
Perhaps one of the court jesters who pop in here in a vain attempt to defend the BBC against accusations of bias would care to explain how this sort of rubbish can possibly be called objective or unbiased?
archduke:
good lord. schama on the left.
so thats a 4 to 1 bias so.
incredible how they get away with this.
Umbongo:
Reassuring to see Matt Frei on !0:00 News carrying out the BBC's mission to deliver impartial news. In an item supposedly reporting on Bush's apparent change of heart concerning international cooperation on combatting climate change Matt showed clips from Gore's MMGW propaganda film, cited Katrina as evidence of global warming (implying there were no hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico before 2005) and jeered at Bush for (apparently) admitting to an - according to Matt - "inconvenient truth" (where did that phrase come from?)
GCooper:
And, while we're on the subject of climate change, it's worth noting (from Newsnight) that the BBC's 'Environment Correspondent', Roger Harrabin, appears to believe that carbon dioxide is 'pollution'.
Those University of Cornflake-Packet science degrees again!
Umbongo:
GCooper
Huw also tells us that 2007 is forecast to be hotter than 2006 (by whom and on what evidence?) but he was uncharacteristically vague about how cold and wet May was in Kew (and here in North London) - colder and wetter than 2006 perhaps? Whatever, he didn't tell us. Do you think there's an agenda here?
Calum:
Has anyone noticed the disparity between the
reporting of the Ku Klux Klan murder trial
and that of the recent horrific incident in Knoxville.
archduke:
yeah. caught that Matt Frei one. apparently the americans woke up to global warming because of ONE hurricane.
the twat doesnt even remind us that it was George Bush himself , in the State of the Union no less, that stated emphatically that "America is addicted to oil".
what's really going on, and something that Matt Frei and the multi-billion BBC doesnt say to us, is that the right in America wants to get away from oil dependency because of the national security risk - and because oil money funds terrorism. (hello Iran? Saudi?)
thats why.
GCooper:
Umbongo writes:
"Huw also tells us that 2007 is forecast to be hotter than 2006 (by whom and on what evidence?"
One can only assume by the same people whose 24 hour weather forecasts I trust about as much as I would a timeshare salesman.
As for May, did my eyes deceive me when I read that temperatures in Britain were actually colder than those in Siberia and that the last Test Match featured the coldest day ever recorded on which play had taken place?
archduke:
" GCooper | 31.05.07 - 10:58 pm |"
god almighty. what a twat.
we'd better start chopping down all the trees in the world so. oh - and stop breathing as well.
GCooper:
archduke writes:
"god almighty. what a twat.
we'd better start chopping down all the trees in the world so. oh - and stop breathing as well."
Indeed. Harrabin is either a fool or a knave, that's for sure.
If he truly doesn't know that carbon dioxide isn't a pollutant then he deserves the sack. If he does and uses the term that loosely he... err... deserves the sack.
archduke:
qt - iraq
the lib dim wants the troops home now.
so i guess , she'll be ok with sunni v shia murdering each other in the millions, rather than the hundreds right now. and she'll be ok with the democratic government of iraq being overthrown by radical islamists (because we've withdrawn). and i suppose she'll be ok when those iraqi islamists come here and blow us all to bits. utter idiot.
of course, this obvious FACT about the consequences of troop withdrawal is never put to her by Dimbledore.
and i have to say, sadly, that its never said by the Tory rep on there.
oh - schama is in favour of withdrawal too - but he DOES raise the spectre of sunni/shia civil war. so , fair enough. but he doesnt raise the spectre of the genocide that would be commited if the americans just left overnight.
archduke:
amazing. everyone is talking about withdrawal.
nobody is talking about the propaganda victory that would hand to Al Qaeda and the Moqtada Al Sadrists - thus emboldening them to commit even MORE mass murder.
we truely have a political class with the spine of a slug.
pounce:
The BBC, its hatred of the US and half a story.
Currently on Newsnight a very long video article on this story;
Afghans' anger over US bombings
By Alastair Leithead
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...sia/
6705607.stm
From the story you get the impression that the US are bombing all and sundry. Alastair Leithead comes across as the propaganda minister of the Taliban. I mean when somebody describes the Pushtun code of honour which kills sons for any slight. (Err excuse me BBC sons? The Islamic faith (never mind) the Pushtuns don’t kill their sons. They kill their daughters.) I take it the BBC is automatically batting for Pakistan.
Err Alstair as much as you try to paint the picture that the yanks can only fight from the air. (What cowards they are) you kind of forget the huge song and dance you make when you display how many Americans have died at the hands of your heroes.
Oxymoron or what.
archduke:
of course, none of the QT lefties ever mentioned the consequences (i.e. a certain death) to all the Iraqis left behind - the ones who are the fixers, the translators, the suppliers, the informants, the police...
i really have never seen such a display of self centred sanctinmonious crap in all my life - absolutely NO CONCERN WHAT SO F***KING ever for the Iraqis we leave behind.
twats. the lot of them.
sorry, gotta go outside have a ciggie and calm down.
(oh - in case yer wondering why my homepage is changing - just posting a few blogs that i've come across recently that are in my RSS reader. you all know about Guido, Dizzy and the other uber boggers, so i thought i'd point out a few new ones that i've come across recently)
Jon:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pi...res/
6705249.stm
I was just looking at the picture here - if you scroll your mouse over the picture it says "Damaged windsheild of a car in Sadr City". Is "windshield" American for what we call "windscreen". So when was the photograph taken? It might not even be in Sadr city - it could be anywhare at anytime.
Also notice picture one " A resident holds a stun grenade...". Whats the anguished little boy got to do with the subject of the picture? Its certainly a propganda photograph. It certainly is staged.
archduke:
" pounce | 31.05.07 - 11:18 pm |"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...sia/
6705607.stm
Brig Gen Joseph Votel, denied these reports.
"We have no reports that confirm to us that non-combatants were injured or killed out in Shindand," he said, justifying the use of 2,000lb bombs against mud houses.
putting words into the Brigadiers mouth, eh?
pounce:
BBC and Not The Nine O/Clock News.
http://
www.thereligionofpeace.co...qHidingBoy1.jpg
Jon:
There seems to be hundreds of propaganda pictures from the "press". This one seems typical.
"Palestinian demonstrators run away from a stun grenade thrown by Israeli soldiers, not seen, during a demonstration against Israel's separation barrier at the village of Bilin, near the West Bank town of Ramallah, Friday, April 6, 2007. "
http://www.astandforjustice.org/...14/04-06-
04.htm
If the Isrealis threw a stun grenade at protesters why wasn't the Isreali who threw it not in the picture?
Jim Miller:
Jon - Yes, in the US, we do usually say "windshield".
Jon:
Jim Miller: My point was that the picture must not have been taken by the BBC , the caption would have said "windscreen" - so how do they know its genuine? They never seem to attribute the photographs to anyone or any organisation.
pounce:
Archduke wrote;
"putting words into the Brigadiers mouth, eh?"
The funny thing is, in the whole article about how innocnet people are dying in Afganistan. Not once did the BBC mention the much higher figure of people murdered by the taliban. I mean two wrongs don't make a right. But the BBC remained somewhat very silent on the Taliban on that video.
I wonder why????
archduke:
smoking ban stuff.
just had word from Ireland the other day, about a neighbour who has lung cancer.
aha! the health fascists would say - that must be because of passive smoking.
err. no. the neighbour was a tee totaller. and a non smoker. and didnt work in a smoky environment. the husband was a keep fit guy, ex army. always looked after himself. so , no passive smoke in the home.
neighbour is aged in the mid fifties.
i'm beginning to think more and more that its down to genes. of course, that would mean that the neighbour i mentioned , if she had smoked, would have died aged 40 or something like that. but then on the other hand, my grandmother lived until she was 90. had a guiness every day and a cigarette with it.
the human condition cannot be averaged . we've got a potent mix of DNA in our cells.
so god knows what will happen to each of us.
Jon:
I don't want to get into another "controvesy" as no doubt JR and his friends will probably label me a BNP supporter but:
"...in the prestigious British Medical Journal in 2003. Research professor James Enstrom of UCLA and professor Geoffrey Kabat of the State University of New York, Stony Brook presented results of a 39-year study of 35,561 Californians, which dwarfed in size everything that came before. It found no “causal relationship between exposure to [passive smoke] and tobacco-related mortality,” adding, however “a small effect” can’t be ruled out."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focu...s/1657740/
posts
Didn't hear that one on the BBC.
will:
The BBC claim that President Bush is a newcomer to emission reductions
Has President Bush become the latest convert to the cause of tackling climate change by curbing emissions?
It is the first time the US president has publicly said that "long-term goals for reducing greenhouse gases" are needed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/t...ech/
6709439.stm
But back in 2001 he said
Our country, the United States is the world's largest emitter of manmade greenhouse gases. We account for almost 20 percent of the world's man-made greenhouse emissions. We also account for about one-quarter of the world's economic output. We recognize the responsibility to reduce our emissions.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/r...20010611-
2.html
The BBC & lefties generally can't distinguish Kyoto non-ratification from "climate change denial".
Jon:
"Has President Bush become the latest convert to the cause of tackling climate change by curbing emissions?"
Just proves to me that it is a religion, not a science.
Jon:
"Earth worship is perhaps the only place remaining for the old left to hide their agenda of command and control. And that is the funny thing about the old left - Marx recognized religion as the opiate of the masses. Communism kicked out the Church and put the State in its place. If global warming is the best God the old left can come up with now, I'm feeling pretty good about things.
The lesson of the 20th century is that free markets, private property, and individual rights is better than anything the left can serve, 100% of the time, on every last patch of earth, even where the ice is melting."
http://www.etalkinghead.com/arch...2007-04-
12.html
archduke:
a certain NSDAP was pretty big on the green issues. they enviaged a German lebensraum with a rural economy, stretching ito the eastern europe.
the head of the NSDAP was a tee totaller, non smoker and a vegetarian.
disillusioned_german:
archduke | 01.06.07 - 1:43 am
"...the head of the NSDAP was a tee totaller, non smoker and a vegetarian."
Definetely dictator material! The next time I'm in the UK I expect council officers wearing a swastika patch asking me to pay an 80 Pound fine because I've just dropped a cigarette stub (and forgot I wasn't supposed to). Blair's Britain 2007.
Richy:
BBC business coverage has recently been subjected to some criticism. If you're looking for a bad piece of business journalism then you could read this:
New EU chemical law takes effect
By Alix Kroeger
BBC News, Brussels
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/busin...ess/
6710527.stm
This is an almost classic case of the BBC attacking from the left - that is emphasis is placed on the assumed health and environmental benefits; no mention at all is made of economic or business costs that the regulations may impose.
The REACH directive was subject to both internal and external impact assessments and also quite vociferous campaigning from industrial groups; as well as the then Industry Commissioner viewing the measure as a hindrance on business. This is not mentioned at all in the article.
Instead, we have "But environmental and consumer groups say the new rules do not go far enough".
The one sentence which does highlight the costs is then followed by another where it is stated that the costs will be "offset by the benefits to health and the environment: 97bn euros (£66bn) saved in health costs over the next three decades".
In all this is a frankly shocking piece of work that I imagine has been copied and pasted from the Commission press release.
If the BBC really does want to see its business coverage improve, then they've got off to a pretty bad start.
pounce:
The BBC,and how it will revise history in which hate Israel
Israel hijack role 'was queried'It has been seen as a daring raid by crack Israeli troops to rescue dozens of their countrymen held at the mercy of hijackers.
But newly released documents contain a claim that the 1976 rescue of hostages, kidnapped on an Air France flight and held in Entebbe in Uganda, was not all it seemed.
A UK government file on the crisis, released from the National Archives, contains a claim that Israel itself was behind the hijacking.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/67.../uk/
6710289.stm
It appears that the BBC can give Joseph Goebbels a run for his money.
pounce:
In light of how the BBC reports on Idi Amin;
"Idi Amin was thought to have colluded with the hijackers"
I wonder how the BBC would report on Adolf?
"Mr Hitler was thought to have started WW2, but new evidence unearthed by the BBC suggests it was actually the Jews”
Jonathan Boyd Hunt:
#5 IN A SERIES OF ADMISSIONS OF THE BBC'S INSTITUTIONAL BIAS FROM BBC STAFF AND ITS LEFTWING ALLIES:
COPY AND PASTE INTO NEW DOC AND KEEP HANDY FOR REFERENCE IN FUTURE EXCHANGES WITH BBC BIGOTS
Lord Pearson of Rannoch … has bombarded the BBC with detailed reports purporting to show that the corporation is biased against the Eurorealist cause. … Pearson’s instincts are right, I think, but his methodology wrong. The BBC is undoubtedly institutionally biased in a whole bunch of areas and in many cases few would contest its right, indeed duty, to be so. … And then there’s Israel and the EU. In both of those cases it is difficult not to accuse the BBC of bias, through tone, grammar, and story selection.’
Former BBC Radio 4 Today editor Rod Liddle (The Times, 30 January 2005)
IiD:
Good Morning.
The Entebbe Story is the most astonishing re-write of history in days.
Now I’ve carefully read this twice now and it “fails” to point out that the PLPF ACTUALLY co-operated with those ever lovable left wing rogues the Rote Zellen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ope...eration_Entebbe
See even back then you could see there was a fifth column.
That Tanzanian soldiers were guarding the concourse with the seven hi-jackers would suggest some sort of collusion?
Of course to those working in the Volkish Beobachter like Dan Parkinson, it’s always the Joooooooooooooooooooos wot dun it….
Chuffer:
"The BBC's ten o'clock news sticks a camera on a pole at Kew Gardens and runs timelapse photography for a month.
It then tells us that April 2007 was warmer than April 2006...."
Remember the time-lapse film of the tide coming in at Morecambe Bay, shown on BBC, just after the Chinese cocklers' deaths, to 'prove' how fast the waters came in?
Jonathan Boyd Hunt:
Ultraviolets | 31.05.07 - 10:04 pm:
Glad to see you nabbed the first post. In my humble opinion, a link to your video ought to be posted at the top of every open thread from now on. If we were to stop referring to it then the Beeb would only benefit. A small regular post wouldn't bother any B-BBCer, far from it, but it sure would be a running sore for the Beeb.
In Glaucia's post to you, she said:
Ultraviolets,
Thanks for the link. Great video!
I dream of the day when millions of people stop paying the licence.
How about another video on the BBC's profligacy and waste? There are around 70 images of press articles here, which would make another compelling film; such as this one on how the BBC spends £12 million per annum on taxis.
You could perhaps start with this report from the Lincolnshire Echo, featuring the BBC's prosecution and gaoling of Britain's poorest people for non-payment of the TV licence.
It would, of course, provide another superb vehicle for a rip-snorting soundtrack from that splendid group "The Chemical Cinema".
Abandon ship!:
2006: Alan Johnson advocates for the Palestinian cause, courtesy of BBC licence fee payers:
"The rockets rarely cause serious injury or damage, our correspondent says."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
4779442.stm
2007: Alan Johnson advocates for the Palestinian cause, courtesy of the Army of Islam:
"Mr Johnston, seated and wearing a red sweatshirt, calls for an end to Western sanctions that have been imposed on the Palestinian government and also talks about Iraq and Afghanistan."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
6710863.stm
Ashley Pomeroy:
I was struck by the abovementioned Entebbe article as well:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/67.../uk/
6710289.stm
It's about a document about the Entebbe hostage rescue.
"Israel hijack role 'was queried'
A UK government file on the crisis, released from the National Archives, contains a claim that Israel itself was behind the hijacking.
An unnamed contact told a British diplomat in Paris that the Israeli Secret Service, the Shin Beit, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) collaborated to seize the plane."
Inevitably this will be passed around the internet as the gospel truth, because it's on the BBC. I can picture the arguments on Wikipedia in my head. "It is widely known that the Israelis faked the Entebbe crisis - even the BBC admits this" they will say.
Under the subheading "Ugandans killed" - not "Uganda soldiers killed", just "Ugandans killed" - we learn that:
"Two Israeli civilian hostages died in the shooting, and a third died later in a Nairobi hospital."
The third hostage was an old woman who was strangled at the orders of Idi Amin, in revenge for his humiliation by the Israeli commandos. The report doesn't say that. "A third died later" is incredibly misleading. It implies that the hostage was wounded in the shooting and expired of these wounds in hospital, whereas in reality she had been removed from the hostages before the rescue took place.
John Reith:
After all the comments posted here about the BBC's reporting of Hamas, the interviewing of John Bolton etc. I am amazed to find no mention of Stephen Sackur's interview with Ghazi Hamad.
This was one of the most robust and rigorous interviews I have ever seen.
Among many other things, Sackur pursues Hamad on the question of precisely who in Hamas gives the orders for the rocket attacks on Sderot. Who decides to break ceasefires etc.
He also skewers him on the issue of Hamas's refusal to recognize Israel's right to exist.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/progr...ammes/hardtalk/
Block 813:
Re: Alan Johnston
Why did they bother kidnapping him? Thats the sort of biased reporting we hear from Alan everytime he speaks.........???
They could have just tuned into his BBC reports and herd all that, no need to kidnap him....lol.
will:
Thanks for the link, JR, I will listen. I wonder if Sackur asked Hamad how he came to be admitted to the UK, to be feted at the Literary Luvvy Festival, when he leads a terrorist organisation.
Biodegradable:
An unnamed contact told a British diplomat in Paris...
Unnamed and of indeterminate nationality. We don't know who he is, where he came from, where he got his information from, or what his motives could have been. The possibility that it was an excercise in disinformation is not even discussed.
This smells of the same kind of antisemitic sh*t as those who say Zionists collaborated with Hitler to give Jews a reason to leave Europe.
Thanks BBC, we really needed to know all this!
Biodegradable:
What's so striking about Alan Johnston's video is that it was identical to what he was doing for the BBC.
I'm ever more inclined to think that the "Palestinians" were aware that if he ended his tour of duty and went back to London they'd miss his regular "this is Gaza calling" Lord Haw Haw style coverage, so they've kept him there to continue his work for them.
Biodegradable:
Block 813 | 01.06.07 - 9:55 am
You said it in less words than me 
Anonymous:
Nice article at notasheep re the BBC's dilemma over how to report the Alan Johnston video. "If the views expressed in the video are Alan Johnston's then he is hardly an unbiased reporter on Israeli/Palestinian events. If they are not his views, then why are the BBC not speculating on the possibility of his being forced to say those words. If the latter is the case, then the BBC will no doubt, and reasonably, claim that they cannot speculate for fear of putting Alan Johnston at greater risk; in which case I look forward to Alan Johnston repudiating his words on his release."
Allan@Aberdeen:
I read through the thread and the links are of great interest and informative but, on the BBC's report on Afghan civilian casualties, I picked out this nugget from all the dirt around it:
"He described how it was only after the villagers were angered by culturally insensitive house searches that they picked up guns and took on the American military machine."
What a load of f*ckin' boll*cks!! I know that seems a bit low-brow but these are usually the first words which come to mind when I read the BBC's 'reports'.
AL the Hat:
Who was responsible for the hijacking the Air France plane that ended up at Entebbe in 1976?
You guessed it, those pesky jews again.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/67.../uk/
6710289.stm
Umbongo:
"They could have just tuned into his BBC reports and herd all that, no need to kidnap him....lol.
Block 813 | 01.06.07 - 9:55 am | #"
The problem for the Palestinian spin doctors was that AJ was kidnapped just prior to his reassignment out of Gaza. It seemed that following AJ's reassignment the flow of propaganda would have been interrupted. Mind you, I think this was a misreading of the position: we can be confident that AJ's replacement would have continued the grand tradition of impartially transmitting Palestinian propaganda - BBC's Middle East Editor would have seen to that.
Biodegradable:
I am amazed to find no mention of Stephen Sackur's interview with Ghazi Hamad.
John Reith | 01.06.07 - 9:49 am
Very good JR, thanks for pointing it out. It's always good to see "Palestinians" exposed as the slippery, deceitful characters they really are.
Why is the rest of the BBC's coverage of Israel/"Palestine" not equally "robust and rigorous"?
Jonathan Boyd Hunt:
John Reith | 01.06.07 - 9:49 am:
Interesting that you should pick out Stephen Sackur for praise. The esteemed Telegraph investigative reporter Ambrose Evans-Pritchard also confided in me his high regard for Sackur.
What's the betting he was one of Robin Aitken's sources of how the Beeb is institutionally Leftist?
Lee Moore:
I am amazed to find no mention of Stephen Sackur's interview with Ghazi Hamad.
John Reith | 01.06.07 - 9:49 am
I haven't watched the interview. Did the subject of Ghazi Hamad's personal friendship with Alan Johnston come up, by the way ? The friendship that got mentioned in the rest of the news media, when Ghazi Hamad said how hard he was working to free AJ, but somehow got edited from his comments on the BBC ?
hillhunt:
From the Biodegradable English Dictionary (a work in progress)
Palestinian, n: slippery, deceitful character
13-year-old sister-in-law, phrase:
1. (Palestinian usage) Sex toy for filthy Palestinians.
2. (Usage elsewhere) Wife's little sister.
Biased BBC: Priapism for danders
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Ultraviolets:
"It would, of course, provide another superb vehicle for a rip-snorting soundtrack from that splendid group "The Chemical Cinema".
Oh a bit of dry humour from John Boyd Hunt there. I will make another video, one with a more amusing and less serious sound track than the last.
john:
John Reith:
After all the comments posted here about the BBC's reporting of Hamas, the interviewing of John Bolton etc. I am amazed to find no mention of Stephen Sackur's interview with Ghazi Hamad. This was one of the most robust and rigorous interviews I have ever seen.
Is this the same Stephen Sackur, formerly BBC Washington corespondent who "robustly" interviewed Donald Rumsfeld on TV, and caused such a diplomatic stink that Sackur was sacked from his post and had to leave the US? Most BBC journalists, ever since, have imitated his snide style of commentary and Anti-Americanism.
Imran Khan on BBC Today prog this morning at 8.37 being interviewed by BBC journalist:
"The best investigative journalism is in Britain"
Does he mean John Sweeney and Panorama?
Funniest moment this morning was John Humphrey's introducing fellow journalist Mark Easton, with his piece on going soft on Predatory paedophiles.
"our Homo...errrmmmm Home editor"
Anonymous:
I bet the Palestinian captors really had to twist Johnston's arm to come out with that shite. 
Anyway, nice to see he's been well fed!
Anonymous:
So, the "John Reith" collective post about Stephen Sackur giving a Palestinian terrorist a hard time as if this is something remarkable? Ha!
Global warmmongering:
June 1 and 20 days to go to the summer solstice after which the days get shorter. Meanwhile BBC Global warming watch has cameras trained on a patch of green grass to see if it goes brown in the summer. How pathetic.
Anonymous:
"John Reith" (when they are not brawling over the keyboard) is usually good at finding obscure BBC stories that might be expected to be given prominence on BBC Online, but somehow get tucked away in the west Staffordshire/north Lincolnshire subsection.
So, where on BBC Online can I find a report on the Nigel Wrench affair? Link please.
bob:
I have to agree with JR that it IS indeed worthy of comment that a BBC interview with a member of a terrorist-supporting government who only recently reiterated his call for the destruction of Israel did NOT dish out the usual, Ghadafi-style brown-nose treatment. Well done! (perhaps Hamad made the mistake of appearing that he was "up for a ruckus" - JR-speak for "displayed laisse majeste before the altar of the BBC")
Umbongo:
BioD
"An unnamed contact told a British diplomat in Paris..."
Rest assured, in 30 years time we will be able to see the report from the British Embassy in Lisbon to the effect that a junior diplomat was informed by an unnamed contact that the McCann kidnapping was engineered by Shin Bet (with the compliance of the Vatican) in order to divert attention from Israeli raids into Gaza amid concerns about anti-abortion statements from Catholic clerics.
Biodegradable:
Umbongo,
That's not quite credible.
The USA/CIA connection is missing
john:
So, where on BBC Online can I find a report on the Nigel Wrench affair? Link please.
Anonymous | 01.06.07 - 11:46 am | #
Is that the same Nigel Wrench, of BBC Radio 4s pm programme, who stunned his BBC audience some time back by presenting a topic at 5.35am on bare-back riding glibly talking about the prevalence of gay-men who have unprotected sex?
Biodegradable:
Indistinguishable from any previous Alan Johnston report from Gaza:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
6711047.stm
He looks a little slimmer though, perhaps he was wrong about them feeding him to death.
Ultraviolets:
Is there anyone who can find me a picture of Greg Dyke in some swimming shorts? Or on Holiday looking really decadent?
Battersea:
To be honest, I don't think we can have a pop at the Beeb for reporting on the Paris embassy document and Entebbe.
The Beeb would have been rightly criticised if it HADN'T reported this. In addition, and to be fair, the report does mention outrage at the govt's public stance at the time towards terrorism.
There's nothing to be gained from giving the John Reith/s ammo.
Anon:
More to the point, the Telegraph and Jerusalem Post covered the same Israel/Entebbe story - hardly hotbeds of anti-semitism.
Abandon ship!:
Beeboid Army of Islam fantasy:
"Seeks liberation of Palestine and an Islamic state"
Factual Army of Islam truth:
Seeks to replace Israel with an Islamic caliphate.
The BBC: telling us all they think we need to know.
Oscar:
It's left to the Jewish press to report this - from today's Jewish Chronicle:
Mother-to-be widowed by a Gaza missile
The 36-year-old victim of Sunday's Kassam rocket attack on the Negev town of Sderot leaves a British- born widow, who is six months pregnant, and a two- year-old daughter. yet despite carrying detailed reports of Israeli air strikes on Gaza, no UK newspaper has yet chosen to report this British link to Israel's latest terror tragedy.
john:
Biodegradable
To my family, my family... [audio cuts off abruptly].
[An on-screen caption says: "BBC refused to take this message to his family."]
Why did the BBC agree to accept all of the propaganda instead?
Biodegradable:
To be honest, I don't think we can have a pop at the Beeb for reporting on the Paris embassy document and Entebbe.
Battersea | 01.06.07 - 12:24 pm
Oh yes we can, not least because the BBC is only giving us half the story.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Sat...icle%
2FShowFull
The allegation appeared in a document written by official DH Colvin at the British embassy in Paris, quoting a contact at the Euro-Arab Parliamentary Association, as the crisis unfolded.
"According to his information, the hijack was the work of the PFLP, with help from the Israeli Secret Service, the Shin Bet," he wrote.
"The operation was designed to torpedo the PLO's (Palestine Liberation Organization) standing in France and to prevent what they see as a growing rapprochement between the PLO and the Americans.
"Their nightmare is that...one will witness the imposition in the Middle East of a Pax Americana, which will be the advantage of the PLO (who will gain international respectability and perhaps the right to establish a state on evacuated territories) and to the disadvantage of the Refusal Front (who will be squeezed right out in any overall peace settlement and will lose their raison d'etre) and Israel who will be forced to evacuate occupied territory.
The fact that the contact was "at the Euro-Arab Parliamentary Association" places a huge question mark over his allegations and must raise questions as to his motives.
Biodegradable:
More to the point, the Telegraph and Jerusalem Post covered the same Israel/Entebbe story - hardly hotbeds of anti-semitism.
Anon | 01.06.07 - 12:28 pm
I haven't read the Telegraph's report, but don't you think knowing from the JPost's report who the "contact" was casts a whole different light on the accusations?
Anonymous:
OUT-THOUGHT BY THE ENEMY
"We're stuck in a terrible marriage in Iraq - and if we leave, mom's going to kill the kids. So we crack open another bottle of sound bites to comfort ourselves.
The military brass also has to shoulder its share of the blame for fighting the kinder, gentler war its pedants want to fight, rather than fighting to win. Officers poisoned by too much time on civilian campuses behave like professors, defending the fanciful theories in their dissertations to the last Infantryman.
Lashed by lawyers, timid generals are better suited to fight for funding on Capitol Hill than to defeat our nation's enemies in the field. They're show-dogs that don't hunt. Despite all the shimmering technology we've bought, our military leaders remain trapped in 20th-century thinking - while the terrorists, for all their invocations of the past, are clear-eyed about what it takes to win in the 21st century".
More
http://www.nypost.com/seven/0601...ters.htm?
page=1
hillhunt:
Anonymous:
I bet the Palestinian captors really had to twist Johnston's arm to come out with that shite. (+ infantile chuckling face)
Biodegradable:
Indistinguishable from any previous Alan Johnston report from Gaza:
John:
Why did the BBC agree to accept all of the propaganda instead?
Today's quiz:
You have been captured by a fanatical Islamic faction in the middle of a venomous fratricidal war. Someone sticks a video camera in front of you and tells you to say something bad about the Great Satan.
Do you...
1. Loudly announce your wish to conform to BBC standards of reporting and ask for independent confirmation of their claims?
2. Announce that you're not going to give any ammo to those hotshots at Biased BBC, although secretly you agree with the whole idea of an Islamic caliphate?
3. Shout "F*ck You, Assholes" and come over all Die Hard.
4. Speak as clearly as you can and hope to God they'll eventually let you go.
Alan Johnston: He didn't suck up to Israel enough so he's been begging for it, hasn't he?
Abandon ship!:
hillhunt
You are way off the game. The main point about this is the irony that what Johnson we presume is being made to say is not that different from his own views, as transmitted by the BBC at regular intervals. Can you imagine the BBC having an overt supporter of the State of Israel transmitting from Jerusalem? Dream on.
The other interesting point that seems to have passed you by is that the BBC are not discussing whether or not he was forced to say the things he did. This is neatly summarised by notasheep, as anonymous noted above:
http://notasheepmaybeagoat.blogs...ry-for-
bbc.html
Will Johnson dissociate himself from these views when released? Dream on again.
hillhunt:
Abandon ship:
Whatever the point, your delight at Johnson's desperate dilemma - and his obvious distress - is contemptible.
Isn't there the teensiest possibility that the BBC:
1. May feel they have to show this sorry clip to keep their man alive.
2. Are taking advice about whether commenting on its provenance might harm their chances of releasing a man to whom they owe an overriding duty of care?
.
Ultraviolets:
The BBC and Communist infiltration - confession by KGB defector.
Abandon ship!:
hillhunt
Are you Barbara Plett? You'll have me crying next.
Seriously, and this is serious, I sincerely hope that Johnson is released safely. I do not delight in his predicament. I do not blame the BBC for doing what they have to do in this situation.
I do get sick and tired of the BBC taking the side of Palestinians when it is their job to report news. Johnson was and is a central player in this "narrative".
hillhunt:
Abandon ship:
Are you Barbara Plett? You'll have me crying next.
Seriously, and this is serious, I sincerely hope that Johnson is released safely.
Biased BBC: Two minds. One brain.
John Reith:
Oscar | 01.06.07 - 12:33 pm
no UK newspaper has yet chosen to report this British link to Israel's latest terror tragedy.
Are you saying that it's not just the BBC, the whole of Fleet Street is biased against Israel too?
Jonathan Boyd Hunt:
Ultraviolets | 01.06.07 - 11:32 am:
I will make another video, one with a more amusing and less serious sound track than the last.
I'm looking forward to it already. Try and utilise every headline - especially this one.
Biodegradable:
For a while yesterday it seemed that hillhunt had given up and gone to play elsewhere. Sadly he's back again today.
Please don't rise to his bait. He has no answer to our questions, he has no real interest in debating BBC bias, his only aim is to disrupt and derail.
Not once in the seemingly long time he has now been trolling here has he conceded a point - even John Reith is honest enough to do so from time to time.
Please don't encourage hillhunt, just ignore him and perhaps he'll go away, this time for good.
bijan daneshmand:
Hillhunt
you havent bothered to read the comments set out a few points below a moral murk which sets out how the BBC is working hand in hand with Hamas to use the Johnston "hostage taking" to manipulate British publick opinion.
Even you cant be that stupid to fall for this "set up" which from start to finish has seen Hamas to all the running.
Biodegradable:
Do you...
3. Shout "F*ck You, Assholes" and come over all Die Hard.
hillhunt | 01.06.07 - 12:54 pm
Why not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Fab...zio_Quattrocchi
You'd need to have the courage of your convictions to do that, the sort of courage that I'm sure you and the majority of BBC reporters are lacking (think Frank "I'm a Muslim" Gardner).
anonymous:
anonymous:
To my family, my family... [audio cuts off abruptly].
[An on-screen caption says: "BBC refused to take this message to his family."]
Why did the BBC agree to accept all of the propaganda instead?
john | 01.06.07 - 12:36 pm | #
It's difficult to say why the BBC did this. Very strange, that they reached an editing agreement with the Army of Islam. I've never seen this before where the BBC decides what should be left in and what should be left out of a video demand made by kidnappers. It might be a smokescreen one of those cunning Russian tactics of spreading disinformation and the truth of the matter is that the BBC didn't refuse to take any message whatsoever. But, then why should the Army of Islam make a point of telling the world that the BBC refused to take a message to his family. Sounds to me that there are considerable backroom deals going on and that the BBC is negotiating. What other conclusion can one draw?
anonymous | 01.06.07 - 1:33 pm | #
Biodegradable:
Sounds to me that there are considerable backroom deals going on and that the BBC is negotiating. What other conclusion can one draw?
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Sat...icle%
2FShowFull
The company planned to issue a statement later Friday, a BBC spokesman in London said.
Gaza-based analyst Shaker Shabat said the tape was a signal that Johnston's release was imminent.
"They are showing us evidence that Johnston is alive, and that is to seal the deal," Shabat said. "This is an indication that a deal is almost finished and Johnston will come out soon."
First footage of two Fox News journalists kidnapped in the summer of 2006 was released days before they were freed after two weeks in captivity. But they were held by a different group, and there was no guarantee that the same pattern would hold in Johnston's case.
john:
Biodegradable
Thanks for that link on Fabrizio Quattrocchi
hostage 'defied killers
Sadly, reflecting on the recent humiliation of the British navy, and now the BBCs A. Johnstone, all possible cooperation is given to the enemy(in BBC speak,
should the Army of Islam be "our friend")
What a brave man Fabrizio Quattrocchi was. I noticed that Al Jazeera refused to show the film, yet another example of a TV company agreeing with kidnappers what should be shown.
How ironic that the BBC is
refusing to show parts of the kidnapper's message?
battersea:
Biodegradable:
Re Entebbe story: You are absolutely right. I stand corrected. Perhaps John Reith/s could tell us why Al-Beeb couldn't be bothered to report the fact that DH Colvin's source was pro-Arab and not impartial.
bijan daneshmand:
Hillhunt aside ... (btw is Hillhunt rhyming slang for BBC c**t) ... just think about this fact in relation to the Alan Johnston "kidnapping" ... at no point did Hamas, Fatah, or any of the motley crew of anti-Israeli opine that Johnston had been taken or killed by Mossad Agents ... one would have thought that this would have been the first thing out of the mouths of HAmas had Johnstonn really gone missing. The fact is that Hamas knew where Johnston was from day one ... since their front organisation took him in the first place ...
the only question is the extent to which the BBC and FO,MI6 elements are in on this charade which has been staged in an attempt to rehabilitate Hamas in the eye of the British public.
Once Hamas are shown to be "responsible for Johnston safe release" it wil give FO elements the political cover they need for the British Government under Brown to reach out to Hamas ...
what an outrageous scam!
john:
That suggests that Johnston
probably said hello to his family and said something on the lines of I will be seeing you very shortly, don't worry about me?
If the BBC refused to show that, it means that the propaganda aspect of the demands appears as more of a threat. No doubt some BBC editors suggested this to the Army of Islam, best if you leave this out old chaps or the media attention will be concentrating on his release!
So rather than refuse the BBC politely declined the request of the kidnappers so as to further the cause of their demands
Is this logic too cynical for the BBC?
Biodegradable:
What a brave man Fabrizio Quattrocchi was. I noticed that Al Jazeera refused to show the film, yet another example of a TV company agreeing with kidnappers what should be shown.
How ironic that the BBC is
refusing to show parts of the kidnapper's message?
john | 01.06.07 - 1:52 pm
He was widely criticised in Italy for being a mecenary, and the fact that he was awarded a posthumous medal while other Italians, soldiers, killed in action were not. As the wikipedia article shows he managed to screw up the terrorists plan, that's why Al Jazeera didn't show his snuff video - it was completely the opposite of what the terrorists wanted to be seen.
Biodegradable:
Re Entebbe story: You are absolutely right. I stand corrected. Perhaps John Reith/s could tell us why Al-Beeb couldn't be bothered to report the fact that DH Colvin's source was pro-Arab and not impartial.
battersea | 01.06.07 - 1:55 pm
It's those subtle details that make all the difference - bias by omission is what they do.
Over the years Arabs have accused Israel of all sorts of absurd and Machiavellic conspiricies and plots. this one should be treated with the contempt it deserves, instead of being selectively edited by the BBC to appear to have at least some semblance of credibility.
No, I'm not paranoid, neither am I a conspiracy theorist, but I do believe that the majority of people writing and editing at the BBC are anti-Israel and blindly pro-Arab.
What next, seriously reporting this?
PENISES DISAPPEAR WHEN FOREIGNERS SHAKE HANDS !
Panic in Khartoum: Foreigners Shake Hands, Make Penises Disappear
The Middle East Research Institute
During September 2003, mass hysteria spread through Khartoum, the capital of Sudan, which was ultimately quelled by police intervention and statements made by the health minister. The panic was caused by rumors of foreigners roaming the city and shaking men's hands, making their penises disappear. The rumors were spread rapidly by text messages on cellular phones, and diverted the public's attention from a breakthrough in negotiations in Kenya between Sudanese Vice President Ali Othman and SPLA leader John Garang. [1]
Several versions of the story circulated and not all involved foreigners: Initially, it was claimed that the perpetrators belonged to a Sudanese tribe; according to another version, one West African man was responsible; later, the one man was replaced in the rumor with a group of West Africans.
Al-Quds Al-Arabi correspondent Kamal Hassan Bakhit, who was the first to report on the affair outside Sudan, wrote that "the source of the horror is a foreign citizen from a West African country who is roaming through the city marketplace and draining men's virility via a handshake" and that "people are refusing to shake hands with anyone they don't know." Bakhit reported that police had received numerous complaints about someone called 'Satan's Friend,' and that they had launched an investigation and arrested a foreigner who had in his possession scarves, books on sorcery, and two million Sudanese pounds (about $1,500). [2] The following are excerpts from articles which discussed the issue:
...
It Is a Zionist Plot
In conclusion Abbas wrote: "That man, who, as it is claimed, is from West Africa, is an imperialist Zionist agent that was sent to prevent our people from procreating and multiplying…" 12
File alongside "Zionist hair rays"
bob:
Bio et al:
re-Quattrocchi. Indeed. And Al Jazeera's repulsive, hypocritical reaction to this brave Italian ruining their mutual propaganda goals is one of the best reasons for any sane person finding that network utterly contemptible
Biodegradable:
bijan,
Are you aware that the troll korova has "honoured" you with a post on his excuse for a blog?
http://maskofanarchy.blogspot.co...get-
madder.html
He's also accusing Biased-BBC of posting a series of obscene comments.
I wouldn't be in the least surprised if he hadn't posted them himself in order to try to discredit this blog.
garypowell:
John
In my opinion, talking as a swivel eyed uneducated moron that is, you are not being to cynical of the BBC at all.
In fact it is not behond the witts or political affiliations of Mr Johnson to have staged his own kiddnapping with Hamas in the first place. An opinion that I will hold untill I see evidence to indicate otherwise. Like serious torture marks or his dislocated head on a Hamas plate.
If you accociate with murderous gangsters who come up with an idear however stupid. You would have to be a suicidal idiot not to go along with it. Johnson may be a missguided BBC fool, but a suicidal idiot, never.
It must grieve the BBC much that so few British people except those employed at the BBC give a monkeys toss what happens to Johnson untill his head is on a plate. No one seriously thinks that his best mates are going to kill him. Which just gos to show that the greater British public are not as brainwashed as the BBC likes to think they are.
BTW
bijan Daneshmand
Well frisked in more ways then one.
Reading between the BBCs lines is the only way to get at the real truth. In this fantesy Island world the BBC has created for the ignorent, I would contend that the BBC has become drunk with power and has long since become complacent and incompetent in its manipulation of imformation for selfish and "god knows why" destructive political ends.
The BBC just cant quickly adjust to the exsistence of the internet to frisk their bullshit in detail, they just are not that clever yet.
Biodegradable:
Contrast & Compare:
Gaza children 'shot by Israelis'
2 children killed by IDF fire, Palestinians say
Two Palestinians killed trying to place bomb near Gaza border
Without seeing the URLs or clicking on the links can anybody guess which is the BBC version?
Oscar:
Are you saying that it's not just the BBC, the whole of Fleet Street is biased against Israel too?
John Reith | 01.06.07 -
The plague of boycotts now hitting Israel shows how fevered anti-Israel sentiment is becoming in this country - and obviously goes far beyond the BBC. As has been pointed out many times over on this site - this is essentially a leftist (and originally far left) position - it has seeped slowly but surely into the mainstream largely through the BBC due to the work of the many many leftist employees that have thoroughly infiltrated the BBC establishment. Not everyone (not you for instance) but many others. The BBC now presents views that were once derided as the province of Soviet propaganda (look at the history of how 'Zionism' came to be equated with 'racism' for example). The BBC has been hugely influential in poisoning people's attitudes to Israel through consistently misleading and biased reporting - often bias by omission as in the case of the Entebbe slur. You should face the fact Reith that many people have consciously infiltrated the BBC in order to spread leftist views - especially the news service - and they are succeeding.
bob:
Oscar - Reith's usual argument in these cases is: "why are you surprised to find the BBC reflecting something that is generally present in the UK population?". Presumably, even if it's anti-semitism that's ok too. Strangely, where the views of the general public depart from leftist orthodoxy(capital punishment, immigration etc), the BBC suddenly decides to strike a bold tone of individualism...
bijan daneshmand:
biodegradeable
I did a quick scan of the comments to his post ... couldnt get through any logical counter to what I have claimed ... for all the f*ck, sh*t, Cu*t expleatives ... made me laugh ... must mean that even the loons cant deny that I have a point here which they cant argue against. so they just label me as a right wing crank ...
THE BBC SLIDE IN THE VIDEO HAS BEEN STEALTH EDITED!
fact is that the more you look at this incident the more clear it is that Hamas (or Army of Islam) and the BBC & FO are in this together ...
its laughable its even reached the point where their video includes a slide which states that the "BBC refused to take this message to his family" ... just ask yourself when have real kidnappers needed the permission of the broadcaster to include a segment in the "kidnap's release demand video"!!!!
its unbelieved that the BBC has already stealth edited the incrminating slide (and the list of demands in arabic) out of this video online!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
6710863.stm
they have also used the opportunity to fold in some positive propaganda for guantanamo detainee
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
6700709.stm
(GEORGE ORWELL WHERE ARE YOU!)
Ultraviolets:
New video here. Get Solent to do an update on this single video. 8-)
bijan daneshmand:
You can see the parts of the video that the BBC has edited out online here including at appox 4th minute the part with the BBC censored slide and the ridiculously voiced arabic section asking for the release of Abu Qatada ..
http://www.liveleak.com/view?
i=b...=bb4_1180689704
can someone post a e-snip of the "incriminating" slides ... showing how the BBC and the "hostage takers" have been co-operating on production of the video.
The slide is still being shown of the TV reports by the BBC but they will no doubt edit this out in due course ..
THFC:
"In this fantesy Island world the BBC has created for the ignorent"
ah, irony is a wonderful thing 
hillhunt:
garypowell:
In fact it is not behond the witts or political affiliations of Mr Johnson to have staged his own kiddnapping with Hamas in the first place. An opinion that I will hold untill I see evidence to indicate otherwise. Like serious torture marks or his dislocated head on a Hamas plate.
From Wikipedia on Trial By Drowning:
Trial by drowning is a medieval ordeal allegedly used on women suspected of witchcraft. The idea was that witches would float. As part of the trial the accused was thrown into a lake or river. If the accused sank, she was innocent and presumed not to be a witch. If the accused floated, she was presumed to be a witch and could be hanged or executed by burning. Either way, the accused faced death, and a no-win situation.
Biased BBC: Salem. But in the 21st Century.
.
will:
hillhunt - should you have included this link?
http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/gr...il/grail-
05.htm
hillhunt:
bob:
Reith's usual argument in these cases is: "why are you surprised to find the BBC reflecting something that is generally present in the UK population?". Presumably, even if it's anti-semitism that's ok too.
Two thoughts.
1. Reith's point is not about the general population. It is about the news judgement of other media with a wide range of perspectives on Israel. Put simply - you can hardly accuse the BBC of bias when it takes the same decisions as other media.
2. The anti-semitism point is a cheap slur. Even if the piece was biased against Israel - which is a big "if" - it does not demonstrate bias against all Jews. As well you know.
File also under Abuse of Jewish History.
.
THFC:
"the "kidnapping" of Alan Johnston is a sham"
"just label me as a right wing crank"
god forbid :-O
bijan daneshmand:
What the unedited Johnston video Shows
The only unedited johnston video i have found thus far is here
http://www.liveleak.com/view?
i=b...=bb4_1180689704
it appears to be complete. For any who cant see it ... or understand the significance of the parts edited out i'll review each edited out section ... at the beginning there are 2 slides with quarnic quotations
(1) slide 1 : "Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelive, then it is the smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till war lay down its burdens.
"i.e. Johnston is not going to be killed (Non Muslims Have been routed in Gaza) so either we will ransom him or release him by our grace"
(2) slide 2: That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain are in the way of Allah. He rendereth not their actions in vain."
"Allah could have punished (killed) Johnston without allowing the "hostage takers to" have taken him ... but Allah has allowed us to intercede to use Johnston ... as a bargaining chip."
.... TRANSLATION: WE HAVE JOHNSTON .. WE WONT KILL HIM BUT WE NEED SOMETHING FROM YOU ....
(3) After this we have a Army of Islam logo set to funcky islamic martial music ... followed a picture of Johnston's passport page ...
..... HOW DID THE HOSTAGE TAKERS GET THEIR HAND ON THIS?! MAYBE THEIR HAMAS HANDLERS/BROTHER WHO CONTROL THE MINISTRY OF INTERIOR GAAVE IT TO THEM OR MAYBE THIS IS A HAMAS EDITED VIDEO ... DOOOUH ...
After 3:55 sec of Johnston's propaganda piece that may well have been coereced ...there is a a 27 second sequence with a slide stating ... "BBC Refused to take this message to his family" ...
NOW WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?! IF IT WAS A MESSAGE THAT THE CAPTORS WANTED THE FAMILY TO HAVE EVEN IF THE BBC HAD REFUSED TO RELAY THE MESSAGE TO THE FAMILY THROUGH THE GOOD OFFICES OF HAMAS' GAZI HAMAD THEN THEY WOULD HAVE SIMPLY PLAYED IT ... INSTEAD ITS CLEAR THAT BEFORE THE VIDEO WAS RELEASED THE BBC? OR HAMAS ON THE ADVICE OF THE BBC TO THE HOSTAGE TAKERS DONT RELEASE THIS ELEMENT OF YOUR TAPE AS IT WILL SEND MIXED MESSAGES OR WILL MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR US TO BROADCAST THE PROPAGANDA PART ....
(4) slide 3 - We want Britain to to free our prisoners and we specify "Abu Qatada Al festiny (Abu Qatada the Palestinian) - Al Qaeda European Head held in UK
(5) slide 4 - and at this position we wont forget our prisoners in other kufor (non beliver/apostate) states
i.e. Israel, Guantanamo etc.
(6) side 5 - and we say to them, free our prisoners or we will deal with you the same
i.e we will take US/Israeli/European reporters hostage
(7) slide 6 - and we dont specify a state without the others, and we say if you want the ransom
(
slide 7 - free them we will give you to the last peace of gold as the Prophet Peace be Upon him told us to do so
(9) slide 9 In Arabic "World World .... justice to the injust"
SO THER YOU HAVE IT. AGAIN THINK TO YOURSELF WHY WOULD HOSTAGE TAKERS KEEP NEARLY 30 seconds of a message by Johnston quite on the say so of the BBC. Could it be that either they or as is more likely Hamas are working hand in hand with the BBC to MANIPULATE BRITISH PUBLIC OPINION. Hillhunt, John Reith, left wing loons where are u?
bijan daneshmand:
for those of you who are not being taken in by this sham of a hostage taking have a look at the background that I have set out in the comments section under the moral murk
one doesnt have to be a conspiracy theorist to see that the BBC, FO have been involved in this whole incident from day one. The only question is to what point are they in on the Manipulation of the British public.
Is their ultimate aim to make Hamas loo moderate in comparison to these fabricated "Army of Islam" bogeymen as the first attempt to reach out to Hamas and change their status as a proscribed terrorist group ... to "partners for peace"
Hamas is a anti-semetic and anti-democratic terrorist organisation dedicated to the destruction of the Jewish State of Israel and the imposition of an Islamic State of Palestine in both Israel and te Occupied Territories .. it is part of the greater banned terror group the islamic brotherhood ... the BBC will never tell you these facts about Hamas which can be easily obtained here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ham...n_against_Hamas
a little Googling will also show you the longstanding links between Hamas/Islamic BrotherHood and elements within the British FO and MI6 cultivated from the 1950s and 60s when the British were looking for allies Islamic against Nasser (Symbol of Arab Nationalism) during and after the Suez Crisi in 1956.
http://www.antiwar.com/oneill/?a...?
articleid=9615
http://www.google.co.uk/search?h...igence%22&
meta=
John Reith:
bijan daneshmand | 01.06.07 - 4:14 pm
Could it be that either they or as is more likely Hamas are working hand in hand with the BBC to MANIPULATE BRITISH PUBLIC OPINION?
Yeah, yeah Bijan. And don’t forget Robert de Niro, Dustin Hoffman and the rest of the production team who are – doubtless – also behind the ‘virtual conflict’ in Iraq - actually filmed by the BBC in a back lot at Elstree – all designed to smear Dubbya as a warmonger.
Here’s the proof.
http://www.wag-the-dog.com/
hillhunt:
Good People of Salem:
From the Wikipedia link quoted above:
Fabrizio Quattrocchi was an Italian security guard taken hostage by Islamist militants in Iraq, notable for his defiance of captors shortly before being killed.
From Biodegraded:
reflecting on the recent humiliation of the British navy, and now the BBCs A. Johnstone, all possible cooperation is given to the enemy
Do you not think we should strike a medal in honour of B-BBC's bravery in the face of extreme personal hardship and danger?
Faced with the appalling privations of a comfy chair, a laptop and a broadband link, these noble heroes:
1. Decide who's brave and who's a coward when being held by Islamic extremists who exult in the smiting of necks
2. Would prefer the BBC news staff to consist of gung-ho heroes. Just like them, sitting comfortably at home.
3. Ignore the many cases, including fatwa-hating Fox News, of other individuals who have been willing to record insincere videos in extremis to save their lives
4. Ignore the BBC's duty as an employer to act in the best interests of an imperilled employee.
5. Assume that the corporation's silence on the details means they have no case to argue, rather than assume they are considering the best approach to guarantee his safety.
6. Demand grisly trophies Like serious torture marks or his dislocated head on a Hamas plate before they'll concede their vile theories may be wrong.
Biased BBC: Projectile vomit for the ignorant.
.
hillhunt:
Salem:
Apologies for overlooking the following:
Garypowell's demand is for serious torture marks.
Not any old torture marks, note.
Serious torture marks.
Perhaps B-BBC readers would care to let the world know which torture marks would be serious enough to merit their approval?
And which sorts of torture would be just to trivial?
bijan daneshmand:
HillHunt
Its obviously easy for you to post snide comments ... why dont you instead try and address the substance of what people are relating here .... backed up with proof ... instead of sarcasm.
I for instance have been able to use antiwar.com a left wing website that you and the BBC usually refer to demonstrate the longstanding conection between Hamas/Moslem Brotherhood and British Intelligence/FO/BBC
lets see you do the same to address my view.
Biodegradable:
From Biodegraded:
reflecting on the recent humiliation of the British navy, and now the BBCs A. Johnstone, all possible cooperation is given to the enemy
hillhunt | 01.06.07 - 4:48 pm
1/10 for reading skills yet again.
I did not say that.
Go back and read it properly then address your remarks to the appropriate commenter, or better still GFY.
hillhunt:
bijan daneshmand:
snide comments?
I think that's underestimating the offensiveness of garypowell's ranting serious torture marks and John's armchair medal-awarding?
Don't you?
Biased BBC: Offensive. And self-pitying.
hillhunt:
Biodegraded:
Apology for the confusion. John was the guilty party.
Biodegradable:
Apology for the confusion.
hillhunt | 01.06.07 - 5:06 pm
Well, that must be a first.
I'm going to frame it.
Anonymous:
Sudan joins the club of evil
"The time has come for Sudan formally to be admitted to the exclusive club of rogue states known as the "axis of evil", those nations deemed to pose the gravest threat to world peace".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opini...6/01/
do0104.xml
Battersea:
Hillhunt:
'1. Reith's point is not about the general population. It is about the news judgement of other media with a wide range of perspectives on Israel. Put simply - you can hardly accuse the BBC of bias when it takes the same decisions as other media.'
Hillhunt believes that the sole point of reference for the BBC should be the Guardian.
More a mutual appreciation society.
extreme:
I have just heard Alan Johnstone on BBC Radio 4. What he had to say sounded just like the BBC News to me.
Biodegradable:
My previous comment about the BBC headline Gaza children 'shot by Israelis'
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...?
a=46749#351482
The report has been updated and the headline now reads Gaza boys 'shot dead by Israelis'
Still worth comparing and contrasting with reports in other media and their headlines.
bijan daneshmand:
Here is some more proof for the collusion of BBC with the captors from Terry Waite of all people ...
Terry Waite on BBC News 24 Alan Johnston at 5pm....
"I have impression that Johnston is in reasonable communication with his captives as he (johnston) has a real sympathy for the difficulties that his captors are facing and they are facing real difficulties ... difficulties that have not been faced fully and sqaurely by the West."
WAITE GOES ON TO SAY
"One thing that can be said very very clearly and has been said by many other people before me, its not in the interest of the palestinian people to hold people such as alan
"the palestinians that are holding him can help win our hearts and minds by releasing him soon"
Terry Waite is a know conduit to radical Islamic Groups ... and has ties to British US intelligence ... which is partly why he was taken captive himself ... he has sympathy with the radical islamic cause ... in Iran, Lebanon, and Palestine and even he agrees on the BBC Five O'Clock News that Johnstone's reporting is pro-palestinian and that he believes Johnstone to be "communicating" with his "hostage takers".. what more proof does one need to see that the BBC is MANIPULTING THIS STORY
CASE CLOSED
Biodegradable:
From the ever comprehension challenged hillhunt:
Fabrizio Quattrocchi was an Italian security guard taken hostage by Islamist militants in Iraq, notable for his defiance of captors shortly before being killed.
A little difficult to be defiant after one is already dead, don't you think?
I don't know what point you're trying to make, if any, but if you actually take the trouble to read up on the Quattrocchi story you'll see that his defiance expressed itself at the very moment he was about to be killed, and he knew it.
Of course you ooze disdain for anybody other than yourself and your three friends so it's hardly a surprise that you belittle the memory of a real-life hero.
hillhunt:
bijan daneshmand:
CASE CLOSED
And a compelling case it is, too.
One thing before you negotiate the feature film rights...
Bearing in mind garypowell's doctrine that we must see serious torture marks or his dislocated head on a Hamas plate to be persuaded otherwise...
Which are the minor torture marks that you think it would be right to disregard?
hillhunt:
Biodegradable:
From the ever comprehension challenged hillhunt:
Fabrizio Quattrocchi was an Italian security guard taken hostage by Islamist militants in Iraq, notable for his defiance of captors shortly before being killed.
A direct lift from the Wikipedia entry (as I indicated in my posting) and therefore not my work. But I think its meaning is clear for all but the most pedantic.
I would never be ungallant enough to castigate your reading skills.
What point? Perhaps that the armchair heroes at B-BBC were all too willing to demand the same fate of the wretched Johnstone before they would drop their vile theories.
As for belittling the memory of a real-life hero, I think that sin was committed by those who assume, from the comfort of their living rooms, that it's all too easy for Alan Johnstone to adopt the same attitude.
john:
extreme:
I have just heard Alan Johnstone on BBC Radio 4. What he had to say sounded just like the BBC News to me.
extreme | 01.06.07 - 5:15 pm | #
The first video I listened without actually looking and this same thought crossed my mind too. On just looking at the original video, at the link kindly provided by bijan daneshmand it wasn't clear to me at all that he was reading out what he had to say.The picture quality is terrible.
But he moves his head so often with a kind of enthusiasm upwards and downwards as if to emphasise certain words. In short, he is not simply reading he is performing his words.
Spot on extreme it does sound like BBC news.
The nodding of the head with approval is remarkable, so too the moment when he appears momentarily at a lost for words..
"....we are......completeley to blame..."
This dosen't sound like reading from a text, it sounds as if he had already familiarised himself with the speech and was reciting it.
I haven't heard any BBC news yet comment on the BBC "refusal". Noticed that the BBC & FO were working together on the tape. What you say about the FO is interesting, there are similar long-standing connections with Pakistani intelligence that defy belief. No doubt the reason (similar to the Saudis) why we have had no enquiry into 7/7. This is not as JR thinks conspiracy theory, it's all about the management of blow-back from our arming of the Muhadijin in Afghanistan against the Russians.
hillhunt:
Tom Clancy: Stand down
Jack Higgins: Take a Hike.
LeCarre: You're all washed up.
There's a new king in the wilderness of mirrors.
Biased BBC's own John, on the Alan Johnstone kidnapping:
This is not as JR thinks conspiracy theory, it's all about the management of blow-back from our arming of the Muhadijin in Afghanistan against the Russians
Call me a cheating reader, John, but on the final page, when our poor BBC fool finally gets released, what minor torture marks will give the game away that the kidnapping was a lie all along?
Bryan:
After all the comments posted here about the BBC's reporting of Hamas, the interviewing of John Bolton etc. I am amazed to find no mention of Stephen Sackur's interview with Ghazi Hamad.
John Reith | 01.06.07 - 9:49 am
Don't get too carried away. This site is not exactly a Hardtalk fan club. I can't think of one recent post or comment here on a Hardtalk programme. I used to watch Tim Sebastian. In fact, it was one of the very few programmes I watched on BBC World because he treated everyone with the same no-nonsense probing attitude.
However, I only watched a clip or two of Stephen Sackur on the internet before losing interest because I found him tame and colourless by comparison.
So I doubt very much that anyone here watched the interview, was duly impressed and then decided to hide that fact out of a discinclination to praise the BBC where praise was due.
You might have noticed that we try not to duck and dive and obfuscate here. We leave that kind of thing to the BBC.
john:
JR and H, you seem quick to debunk brian j and his conspiratorial arguments on the interpretation of the recent Johnston Army of Islam/BBC video. Bj has raised some important points that BBC news reporting would rather leave well alone.
H, I'm proud never to have read Clancy or Le Carre or Higgins..so it's water off a duck's back I'm afraid. No comment yet on the equally cosy armchair journalistic chat last night on BBC Radio 4s World Tonight concerning the recent firing of a new Russian ICBM that was directly linked with Lugavoi’s press conference yesterday!
"I don’t think anything happens by coincidence in Russia"
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...?
a=32112#351355
If only they started to think a little about Iraq and then reflected on the role of Iran there in a similar manner!
bijan daneshmand:
I'm not too surprised that JR and HillHunt have had nothing to say so far on the MYSTERIOUSLY SELF CENSORED 30 seconds on Alan Johnson's "Hostage" tape ... which has been edited out on the version that BBC has posted online ...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?
i=b...=bb4_1180689704
Starting at the approx 4th minute we get "BBC refused to take this mesage to his family" for 27 seconds
Go on you crusaders ... ooops ... jihadists ... of the LEFT explain this element of the video to us ... lets see if you can come up with anything other than snide comments ... me thinks NOT
john:
Hillhunt
when our poor BBC fool finally gets released
our, what do you mean our?
bijan daneshmand:
SACKURS SOFTTALK
Bryan cant agree more with your sentiment
So I doubt very much that anyone here watched the interview, was duly impressed and then decided to hide that fact out of a discinclination to praise the BBC where praise was due.
Tim Sebastian was the only news related worth watch on the BBC
... Sackur specialises in belly rubbing his guests .. and then inserting his own spin and supposition ... usualy a BBC slant on the discussion ...
lets face a few facts if Johnstone had REALLY BEEN KIDNAPPED would the BBC have chosen now as an apropriate time to air a "GRILLING" of the cordially Guardian on the Wye invited Booklover GHAZI HAMAD ... me thinks NOT
bijan daneshmand:
Correct me if I am wrong John Reith & Hillhunt but this must be the first time in the history of hostage videos that the captors have edited out a section of the video in order not to annoy the hostage's employers ... can you think of any other examples of this?
This media stunt has been so pathetically put together that it must be a BBC PAlestinian stringers handiwork ... you would think for teh license extrtionate fee that I have to pay each year that the BBC could at least organise a proper hostage video .... what a c*ck up!
Honestly next time we need to get the FOs Broadcast unit and the MI6 handlers to do have a much greater hands on approach to releaseing faked materials ...
hillhunt:
john:
when our poor BBC fool finally gets released
our, what do you mean our?
The narrative possessive in a novel. As in "our hero lived to fight another day", or "we begin our story in London."
bijan daneshmand:
I'm not too surprised that JR and HillHunt have had nothing to say so far on the MYSTERIOUSLY SELF CENSORED 30 seconds on Alan Johnson's "Hostage" tape.
On the contrary, I've had a lot to say. I suggested that everyone should not...
"Assume that the corporation's silence on the details means they have no case to argue, rather ... assume they are considering the best approach to guarantee his safety.
It is utterly reasonable to assume that delicate neogtiations are going on to save Johnstone's life. Only a sad fantasist presume that the BBC - or any employer - would make these details available until the kidnap was resolved.
And who with any conscience would judge the BBC's caution in commenting on the tape as if it was confirmation of a deranged conspiracy theory?
Not you, I'm sure.
imli:
http://transform-drugs.blogspot....nline-
drug.html
This 'News Sniffer' tool looks to be useful...
hillhunt:
Salem:
On the subject of non-disclosure...
An uncanny silence from B-BBC's ever-vigilant analysts on the important matter (see garypowell, above) of how much torture Alan Johnston must be seen to endure before you'll all judge him free of fabricating his disappearance.
Bryan:
bijan daneshmand | 01.06.07 - 6:38 pm,
Yes, good to see that you concur that Sackur is a waste of time. But I might watch him, if only to see what Reith regards as a "robust and rigorous" interview.
archduke:
VERY INTERESTING clip on C4 news just aired.
mobile telephone interview with a gang of Islamists (not the ones who kidnapped the BBC guy), who state that they were willing to die in order to secure his release. they were against his kidnapping, and stated that they would use force to release him.
why would islamist terrorists be so concerned about a BBC journalist?
says it all , doesnt it?
Biodegradable:
Fabrizio Quattrocchi was an Italian security guard taken hostage by Islamist militants in Iraq, notable for his defiance of captors shortly before being killed.
A direct lift from the Wikipedia entry (as I indicated in my posting) and therefore not my work. But I think its meaning is clear for all but the most pedantic.
hillhunt | 01.06.07 - 5:48 pm
Devious and dishonest as ever. Yes the quote was from wikipedia but you chose to emphasise shortly before being killed. That is all your work and that is what I was pointing out.
See your comment here:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...9043948/
#351500
You really don't have a valid argument ever do you?
Your only interest in trolling here is to provoke, insult and distract. Then you have the balls to claim others are pedantic!
Jon:
"An uncanny silence from B-BBC's ever-vigilant analysts on the important matter (see garypowell, above) of how much torture Alan Johnston must be seen to endure before you'll all judge him free of fabricating his disappearance." posted by the hillhunt moron.
No one wants to see anyone tortured - it is the left-wing jihadist supporters who condone torture and beheadings. Sarcasm, by the way is the lowest kind of wit.
Bryan:
Here’s the World Service letting its impartial mask slip a bit while looking at one of its pet hates – creationism:
….If you want to see a reconstruction of Noah’s Ark, complete with dinosaurs boarding two by two - and let’s face it, who doesn’t - then head to the American state of Kentucky….
Was I imagining it, or was there a hint of a snigger from someone in the studio smitten by that brilliant witticism? The latter was part of an introduction to Justin Webb’s piece on a newly-opened museum devoted to creationism. Interviewing the man in charge, Webb stumbles on (if not accepts) some important truths:
England is spiritually dead from a Christian perspective. Churches turned into mosques and antique stores….America will become like England if it keeps going the way it is….ten commandments being ripped out of public places, bibles not allowed in public schools anymore….we’re starting to see the loss of Christian morality, Christian structure in this country….
An opponent of creationism gets to have his say as well for balance and if there is bias in Webb’s report it is understated – perhaps only discernible in the Disney-like impression of the sound recording: American creationists are stoopid, loud and echo one another a lot.
Webb ends his piece with a recording of a woman saying, ….God’s Word has not only survived each attack, it has thrived. God’s Word will triumph.
The brilliant one couldn’t resist the temptation to bracket Webb’s report with a second snide, supercilious remark. (The supportive snigger was quite audible this time):
Oh, Lord. T. Rex on the Ark. Big mistake I would think, Mrs. Noah.
Now we look forward to Islam being treated with similar disdain by the impartial BBC. Funny how the mere mention of Islam makes all BBC bravado vanish and spines turn to jelly.
john:
Hillhunt
rather ... assume they are considering the best approach to guarantee his safety.
It is utterly reasonable to assume that delicate neogtiations are going on to save Johnstone's life.
No I'm sorry this is just code for follow the money - and it just happens to be our money!
Whatever happened to the "we will not negotiate with terrorists" line?
Bj is right, this is UNPRECEDENTED. The editing of the Kidnapper's video, and the REFUSAL of the BBC to air a key message.
A co-production is unheard of. Even the Guardian report that the BBC & FO are working together on this.
BBC's caution in commenting on the tape
The same BBC that have organised world-wide demonstrations? That have pushed in front of the cameras his family umpteen times? The same BBC who have parachuted into Gaza some of their top executives? Are you sure? But when Alan wants to say something to his family, the BBC refuse to do so and the Army of Islam tell us that the BBC is responsible for editing it?
This is beyond conspiracy, the fact that you can't see it and hide behind concepts of delicacy is a joke. We have all witnessed your foul mouth tirades here in defence of the BBC. To hear you talk of "reasonableness" and "delicacy" is cute. It has all the hallmarks of a publicity stunt. Yes, no doubt he will be released soon, but probably the BBC & FO don't want us to see Alan saying Hi to his family and that he is very excited to be going home soon and can't wait to be with them. It wouldn't surprise me if they have edited out his personal thank you to the BBC.
Not that we think the BBC is biased!
To be honest this is the only reason why they are not showing it, it's not a question of delicacy, just face-saving by the BBC.
We shall see shortly...
The BBC from Rieth to Ross is so decadent that they have probably calculated the return of a ransom paid to the Army of Islam, by a series of films and world-exclusive interviews with him, and of course a BBC book.
hillhunt:
Biodegraded:
Devious and dishonest as ever. Yes the quote was from wikipedia but you chose to emphasise shortly before being killed. That is all your work and that is what I was pointing out.
Yes I did. Point being that the poor man was killed (a fate this thread appears to be urging upon Alan Johnston), not the precise timing.
Words of one syllable again...
Poor Fab-ri-zio was very brave, but it ill be-hoves arm-chair he-roes like you to sug-gest that that is the only accept-able fate for AJ.
truth will out:
I have worked out who has "kidnapped jhonston"
http://www.liveleak.com/view?
i=b...=bb4_1180689704
from 4:30 on wards the guy sounds like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g...h?v=gi-
c6lbFGC4
Biodegradable:
A comment here on the BBC's Entebbe story:
http://www.ynetnews.com/
articles...3407333,00.html
8. This Is Why Philby Had A Field Day With These Idiots
If you're going to lie, at least get the basic facts right.
The Shin-Bet operates INSIDE of Israel. It's the MOSSAD that operates outside.
Yishai Kohen , YeShA, Israel
hillhunt:
John:
Whatever happened to the "we will not negotiate with terrorists" line?
A question you have no doubt put to fatwa-hating Fox News over the release of their two people in Iraq, "conversion" to Islam and all.
BBC's caution in commenting on the tape
The same BBC that have organised world-wide demonstrations? That have pushed in front of the cameras his family umpteen times? The same BBC who have parachuted into Gaza some of their top executives? Are you sure? But when Alan wants to say something to his family, the BBC refuse to do so and the Army of Islam tell us that the BBC is responsible for editing it?
You are confusing reasonable public protest with the details of negotiation. It certainly looks as if publishing the video may help release AJ (just as it did with Fox and numerous others). That there may have been negotiations should surprise no-one. A man's life is in the balance.
Is it possible that the message was in some way too upsetting? Or that the BBC broke off negotiations to show the video because it objected to this part of the video for some other reason?
And even if he did tell his family he'd see them soon, so what? Most reasonable people would assume that might be becuase he wanted to reassure them.
john:
Hillhunt
Biodegradable never suggested that
"the only accept-able fate for AJ." was a similar one to the Italian hostage Fabrizio Quattrocchi. That is a gross distortion.
You said something silly citing the Hollywood film "Die Hard" about how was AJ then supposed to act.
Biodegradable merely pointed out to you the heroic and patriotic words and actions of Fabrizio Quattrocchi.
Quattrocchi's kidnappers forced him to dig his own grave and kneel beside it wearing a hood as they prepared to film his death, but he defied them by pulling off the hood and shouting "vi faccio vedere come muore un italiano!" -- "I show you how an Italian dies!" He was then shot in the back of the neck
Comparing AJ with FQ is like comparing a molehill with a mountain. In fact the BBCs refusal to show AJs message for the time being( as I'm sure that we will see it later)will be interesting to compare with the likes of FQ and Kenneth Bigley
Biodegradable:
Point being that the poor man was killed (a fate this thread appears to be urging upon Alan Johnston), not the precise timing.
hillhunt | 01.06.07 - 7:41 pm
You are so obtuse, or stupid, or both that it beggars belief.
The timing is the whole point. Quatrocchi's defiance was manifested at exactly the moment the terrorists put a gun to the back of his head.
Compare that to Frank "I'm a Muslim" Gardner's whingeing (you like that word) and pleading to not hurt him.
Honestly I have no idea how I'd behave in a similar situation, but that is not the point either, neither does not having a ready answer to that question disqualify me from admiring one of those two men mentioned and despising the other.
Please also note that nobody on this thread or anywhere else on this blog is urging Johnston's death. On the contrary.
Biodegradable:
The same BBC who have parachuted into Gaza some of their top executives?
The same BBC and FO who effectively broke the ban on contacts with Hamas when the government envoy met with Hamas purportely only to discuss Johnston's abduction.
The same BBC and FO who quietly allowed Ghazi Hamad of Hamas into the UK to speak at the Hay on Wye festival (!) and be interviewed for Hardtalk, all in violation of said ban.
Bearing in mind the above, adding two and two together is as much a conspiracy theory as suggesting that water in a kettle placed over a source of heat will boil at 100ºC.
Bryan:
We have all witnessed your foul mouth tirades here in defence of the BBC.
john | 01.06.07 - 7:40 pm
I'm happy to say that I'm an exception to that rule. Though I caught a few of the early comments by the sneering one, I soon decided that troll scrolling was the only option here.
The same BBC that have organised world-wide demonstrations? That have pushed in front of the cameras his family umpteen times? The same BBC who have parachuted into Gaza some of their top executives?
And the same BBC that endlessly advertises its online petition to free Johnston and its "Have Your Say" - which, although it allowed a few comments critical of Johnston in the beginning, has now turned into "Have Our Say".
It's been pretty evident that we've been fed a load of fertiliser by the BBC on this saga from the beginning. Even during a crisis the BBC can't snap out of bullsh*t mode.
Jon:
"Wherever you look, the evidence for climate change is growing.
The most recent findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC); the warmest April for 300 years"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/
rele...70315101129.htm
So which part of the world is this happening. Not in the US.
"For the contiguous U.S., last month's average temperature was 51.7°F (10.9°C), which was only 0.3°F (0.2°C) below the 20th century mean (based on preliminary data). The April temperature one year ago was the 2nd warmest on record, and the warmest April occurred in 1981, when the average temperature was 56.1°F (13.4°C). The coldest April occurred in 1920. ".
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/clim...r/
national.html
Maybe the IPCC just quote the Met Office.
"April mean temperatures were the warmest on record across England (series back to 1914), with well above average sunshine. Very dry too, with most stations over south-east England and East Anglia recording less than 3 mm of rainfall."
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/clim...2007/
april.html
So its not "Global Warming" - its the South East of England Warming.
I can hear someone say that the IPCC are quoting the average global temperature - that could be right. But how do they work out the average. The average global temperature is "..obtained by collecting measurements of air temperatures at a large number of measuring stations around the Globe, weighing them according to the area they represent, and then calculating the yearly average according to the usual method of adding all values and dividing by the number of points."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/
rele...70315101129.htm
"It is impossible to talk about a single temperature for something as complicated as the climate of Earth", Bjarne Andresen says, an an expert of thermodynamics. "A temperature can be defined only for a homogeneous system. Furthermore, the climate is not governed by a single temperature. Rather, differences of temperatures drive the processes and create the storms, sea currents, thunder, etc. which make up the climate".
He explains that while it is possible to treat temperature statistically locally, it is meaningless to talk about a a global temperature for Earth. The Globe consists of a huge number of components which one cannot just add up and average. That would correspond to calculating the average phone number in the phone book. That is meaningless. Or talking about economics, it does make sense to compare the currency exchange rate of two countries, whereas there is no point in talking about an average 'global exchange rate'."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/
rele...70315101129.htm
john:
Is it possible that the message was in some way too upsetting? Or that the BBC broke off negotiations to show the video because it objected to this part of the video for some other reason?
I'm not sure if you are aware of what it is you are saying here:
"broke off negotiations to show the video"
It has been pointed out above that the BBC is resembling AL-Jazeera in the manner it deals with Islamic terrorists.
A British news organisation announces this morning (on the Today programme) that a video from the kidnappers has been released, and we find out that this same British news organiszation has been involved in the editing of this video, such that the Army of Islam has a section in it [see bjs post above] which says the BBC refuses to show this message!!!
Technically the announcement this morning was staged news of a CO-PRODUCTION (BBC/Army of Islam).
bijan daneshmand:
TRUTH WILL OUT IS A GENUIS!
It was so obvious the evidence was there all along ... someone call JR, Hillhunt, Haniyeh and Abu Mazen ... one cal should do it they are sitting in the same internet cafe
I have worked out who has "kidnapped johnston"
http://www.liveleak.com/view? i=b...=bb4_1180689704
from 4:30 on wards the guy sounds like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g...h?v=g...h?v=gi-
c6lbFGC4
bijan daneshmand:
Not only is Farfour the most likely culprit for the kidnapping of Johnston ... one has to admit that the evidence is compelling
truth will out:
I have worked out who has "kidnapped jhonston"
http://www.liveleak.com/view?
i=b...=bb4_1180689704
from 4:30 on wards the guy sounds like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g...h?v=g...h?v=gi-
c6lbFGC4
this dirty rat has had previous ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5...related&
search=
as Alan no doubt was trying to reveal to the whole world in the 27 seconds that the BBC would not allow Army of Islam to broadcast ...
Battersea:
Hillhunt, haven't you got anything to say about Al-Beeb concealing the provenance of DH Colvin's contact during Entebbe i.e. that he was from an Arab lobby group?
Why can't you admit that by concealing relevant facts (that were reported by The Daily Telegraph to mention one) the BBC is guilty of yet another attempt to smear Israel?
bijan daneshmand:
Also notice that by mid April this filthy rat had already begun to master a few English phrases ..
see after 1:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L...related&
search=
he must have picked this up by chatting with Alan and Ghazi Hamad? What a dirty rat
mel simpson:
Boycotting the boycotters?...dear me.
"Research foundation blocks new grants for Britons"
http://www.ynetnews.com/
articles...3407111,00.html
Jon:
mel simpson: Good link - its about time that these so-called academics got a taste of their own medicine.
hillhunt:
Bryan:
On Justin Webb at a creationism theme park in the USA.
Webb ends his piece with a recording of a woman saying, ….God’s Word has not only survived each attack, it has thrived. God’s Word will triumph.
The brilliant one couldn’t resist the temptation to bracket Webb’s report with a second snide, supercilious remark. (The supportive snigger was quite audible this time):
Oh, Lord. T. Rex on the Ark. Big mistake I would think, Mrs. Noah.
Good point, Bryan.
But are we sure that the BBC should remain impartial between intelligence and idiocy?
Biased BBC: No such thing as a lost cause.
Pink:
hillhunt:
Biodegraded:
Devious and dishonest as ever. Yes the quote was from wikipedia but you chose to emphasise shortly before being killed. That is all your work and that is what I was pointing out.
Yes I did. Point being that the poor man was killed (a fate this thread appears to be urging upon Alan Johnston), not the precise timing.
Words of one syllable again...
Poor Fab-ri-zio was very brave, but it ill be-hoves arm-chair he-roes like you to sug-gest that that is the only accept-able fate for AJ.
hillhunt | 01.06.07 - 7:41 pm | #
What a Toss-er you are hill-hunt.
E-ven when you are try-ing to be a cle-ver tw*t you are still a com-plete c*nt.
Try this in-stead:
Poor Fab-ri-zi-o was ve-ry brave, but it ill be-hoves arm-chair he-roes like you to sug-gest that that is the on-ly ac-cept-ab-le fate for AJ.
Do try har-der!
hillhunt:
Pink:
All points duly noted.
Please don't let anyone call you pedantic. It just wouldn't be fair.
Bullshit Dectective:
The comments about Alan Johnston are a new low even for BBias.
Get well soon.
dave:
Just a small point.The situation in Gaza seems to be deteriorating fast.May this not have something to do with the release of the video? Also I would suggest our attention is being directed away from Lebanon(also deteriorating fast) and away from Northern Iraq(Kurdistan) which looks very very ominous with a very large Turkish army massed on the borders.Not so much about religion but the old old story of a struggle for land and power.
Glauca:
Bijian Daneshmand
I seem to remember reading (I think in the Telegraph) the day after Johnston was kidnapped that he had been seen standing in a street as he was waiting for someone to pick him up. If that's the case, this would prove your theory that the whole thing was set up.
Allan@Aberdeen:
I heard the Alan Johnston tape/film on Radio 4 tonight. Well-treated, well-fed, saying what he always says, supporting palestinians without prompting or compulsion. No Ken Bigley there. It's a scam and the truth will out. That's why there's an internet, much to the chagrin of the BBC and its stooges.
hillhunt:
Allan@Aberdeen:
It's a scam and the truth will out. That's why there's an internet
Yup, so half-wits have a safe place to rave so that they no longer bother the rest of us on crowded pavements.
Biased BBC: Think of it as a social service for the demented
Fran:
Judy at Adloyada chips in with yet another incisive take on BBC spin - this time on the Johnson video.
http://adloyada.typepad.com/adlo...omment-
71356848
May he soon be released, hopefully as a wiser (albeit probably unemployed) man.
Biodegradable:
Yup, so half-wits have a safe place to rave so that they no longer bother the rest (of us?) on crowded pavements.
Is that why you're here?
Biased BBC: Think of it as a social service for the demented
hillhunt | 01.06.07 - 11:41 pm
That'll be why you've made yourself so at home.
Isn't it time for sillyc*nt's medication yet nurse?
... better still a lobotomy, please.
Glauca:
A BBC Pallywood production
jimbob:
hillhunt
you're clearly some kind of bbc man ("our man"). why don't you explain to us what the caption at then end of the video is all about. i haven't seen you even attempt to explain this.
well?
hillhunt:
jobmib:
Never worked for the BBC, so can't help.
"Our man" is used in the narrative possessive sense, as I explained earlier.
But don't let that get in the way of spinning an even dafter conspiracy theory.
Biodegradable:
The comments about Alan Johnston are a new low even for BBias.
Get well soon.
Bullshit Dectective | Homepage | 01.06.07 - 11:15 pm
You should drop by here more often.
You must have missed my comments shortly after the NUJ voted their motion of support for him at the same meeting they voted to boycott Israel.
I said I didn't give a rat's arse if he lived or died (not to be confused with wishing him dead).
His performance on the video hasn't earned him any more sympathy from me either.
When can we expect a petition, a DHYS, and a similar amount of broohah demanding the release of Gilead Shalit kidnapped in Israel and taken to Gaza, and his two IDF colleagues kidnapped in Israel and taken to Lebanon possibly by the same gang of thugs?
Glauca:
Mel Simpson, Thanks for the link:
Boycotting the boycotter
Now let's see who has got more to lose.
I have no doubts.
Roxana:
From the Wall Street Journal Online page:
(AJ):In history, the British worked to bring about the state of Israel, which is the cause of all the suffering of the Palestinian people, and we, the British, are completely to blame, along with the Americans, for the situation in Iraq.
What's grimly humorous about this is that the BBC is so anti-Israeli, anti-American and even anti-British that unlike in most hostage situations, there is ample reason to doubt Johnston's insincerity. - WSJ
No doubt he meant very word.
Anonymous:
On Sunday, the European Union celebrated its 50th anniversary.
Five years ago, Louis Michel, then the Belgian minister of foreign affairs and at present a member of the European Commission, told the Belgian parliament that eventually the EU will encompass the entire Mediterranean basin, including North Africa and the Middle East. Mr. Michel also posited that only by incorporating both Israel and Palestine into the EU will there be peace between them.
The European-Mediterranean ("Euro-Med") partnership between the EU and the countries of the Maghreb (an Arab word meaning "the West" and denoting Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya -- the North African Muslim countries to the west of Egypt) was established specifically to promote the economic, cultural and political integration of the EU and the Maghreb countries. The Brussels bureaucrats embrace Islam because they want the EU to expand into the Muslim east and south. They think that eventually the Maghreb will become part of Europe, but many ordinary Europeans fear that Europe is on its way to becoming the Maghreb, the Muslim "West."
More
http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed...94845-
9270r.htm
Bijan Daneshmand:
Glauca
Lets put the Farfour/Sanabel aside and refocus on how dim whitted and lost the MSM is regarding this affair ... echos of Qana "Massacre" ..
Here is The Daily Telegraph Potted History of Army of Islam
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/
...johnston301.xml
"Politics: It is widely believed the Dagmoush clan is increasingly pursuing a personal vendetta against Hamas since two of its family members were killed by Hamas-affiliated gunmen last December.
Ever since then, it is believed that he is bent on destabilising the Hamas-led Government, and kidnapping could be part of that effort."
If thats the case what has Ghazi Hamad (Hamas Spokesman) been doing swanning around Hay on Wye and BBC Studios this week?
This whole charade has a lot more to do with destabilising PLO (Fatah) and reinforcing Hamas ... which is why PLO Spokesman Erekat is screaming blue urder about this affair ... see end of this article
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.c...how/
2093048.cms
Here is the original Telegraph report taht Glauca may be referring to ..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/.../12/
wbbc212.xml
2 suspicious elements caught my eye
(1) "As he was bundled away it is understood that he threw a business card onto the ground so that passers-by could raise the alarm."
(2) "Mr Johnston was close to finishing his stint in Gaza and was a short time from leaving.
His replacement, another BBC correspondent from Britain, was selected a few weeks ago."
So "our Alan" was about to leave in any case. Maybe he wanted leave with a bang .... it wont help the book sales thats for certain ... I think I SMELL A RAT AND ITS NOT FARFOUR/SANABEL
Bijan Daneshmand:
sorry above should have read
it wont HURT the book sales a la Simpson, Terry Waite, ... yawn
Glauca:
Here is some news from Thailand the BBC may care to report: (I don't hold my breath)
From Associates Press
"We will give the Buddhist 3 days to leave our land. Otherwise, we will kill you and and burn your houses.
....Thais Buddhist will never live peacefully. We will kill you cruelly"
It's Israel's fault, surely.
archduke:
still waiting for the howls of indignation about the Lebanese army's "disproportionate" response in Tripoli, in the likes of the UN, the Independent, the Guardian, and the EU. and i see no "cry me a river" Feargal Keane reports about it either.
here's a tip for the israeli army - just pay the lebanese to do the dirty work for you in future.
archduke:
i see that orla guerin is reporting from South Africa while a Palestinian refugee "camp" is being shelled by artillery.
but the artillery isnt israeli, so that must be all ok so.
Calum:
Interesting article in American Thinker.
Apologies if it has been referred to previously.
http://www.americanthinker.com/
b...l_for_unst.html
archduke:
just mentioned the above , because i just saw on sky news and bbc news 24 the lebanese army firing artillery shells into what was clearly a civillian area. tower blocks, houses, etc...
just imagine if the American army deployed howitzers against an Iraqi town and just pounded it, with the cameras rolling - and with civilians still living there. i think you all know what the banner headlines and indignation would be. but its a-ok for the lebanese army to do it.
not that i think that the lebanese army is wrong - its warfare, and they have no choice. but the contrast in media coverage and the muted response from the UN and EU is staggering.
imagine if an israeli unit was shelling Tripoli right now.
archduke:
"Calum | 02.06.07 - 1:37 am "
good article. thanks. no wonder Chertoff , the head of Homeland Security USA, is very VERY concerned about Britain.
in a recent debate with a talk radio guy (hugh hewitt), Hewitt was arguing the case for severely more checks to be done on visa applicants from Saudi/Pakistan/Yemen etc. Chertoff replied that they couldnt do that, because of the jihadist threat from Britain and France, so , they're background checking EVERYONE, from every country.
Jon:
Calum: I think a lot of people have been aware of this for years - but the more people that are informed about the BBCs agenda the better.
I don't care for "Britanostan", but no doubt people who watch the pro-islamic propaganda spewed out daily by the BBC would very probably gain that impression.
Block 813:
"His performance on the video hasn't earned him any more sympathy from me either."
He probably helped them write it....or did it himself....
This is a put up job.....pure and simple. The BBC is ivolved in a dangerous game, and losing.....
Anonymous:
The Perfect Enemy
"Let's take a look at a map of the Middle East through the eyes of a jihadist strategist and ask, "Where to next after Iraq and Afghanistan?" A plausible answer would be Syria and Lebanon, and the latter would only be useful as a base from which to operate within Syria — the real prize for the jihadists.
The ruling regime in Syria embodies the "Perfect Enemy" from a jihadist vantage point: it is equally tyrannical, ideologically abhorrent, and controlled by a sect that the jihadists view as heretical".
More
http://www.nysun.com/article/55690
bob:
Charles Moore in the Telegraph with some succinct comments on the Johnston/BBC case:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opini...6/02/
do0201.xml
Pink:
hillhunt:
Pink:
All points duly noted.
Please don't let anyone call you pedantic. It just wouldn't be fair.
hillhunt | 01.06.07 - 11:08 pm | #
Pot? Ke-ttle? Black?
mel simpson:
Benjamin Netanyahu on the academic boycott...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q...h?v=Q6iADF-
tKPg
pounce:
The BBC shoddy reporting and half a story.
Pair beat and burned man to death
Two men have been convicted of burning a father-of-two to death.
Bryan Boyle, 18, and Greig Maddock, 21, set fire to Brian Bowie, 35, after dragging him from a flat in Dunfermline, Fife, last October. Mr Bowie, who survived for five days after the attack, was found lying in a pool of blood on top of burning debris. The judge said a life sentence was mandatory but deferred fixing the minimum term to be served until background reports were prepared.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotl...ast/
6713611.stm
Anybody read the BBC report on the above story.
Here is how a decent newspaper reports the very same story with some very important information left out by the BBC;
Two get life for stabbing and burning man
TWO friends were convicted yesterday of the horrific murder of a man who was beaten, stabbed and then set on fire while he was still alive. A jury returned guilty verdicts against Bryan Boyle, 18, and Greig Maddock, 21, at the end of an extraordinary trial.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/...fm?
id=862662007
So why was the case extraordinary Here is what the BBC left out;
“For most of the three-week trial, Boyle and Maddock, both from Glenrothes, Fife, had refused to go into court and evidence was led against them as the dock lay empty. They ended their protest during the closing stages of the case and were present to hear the verdicts. In the first few days of the trial, Boyle and Maddock complained of feeling intimidated by spectators and refused to return to the dock. The judge, Roger Craik, QC, urged them to reconsider, and they finally relented when the prosecution and defence made closing speeches to the jury. Boyle's QC, Gordon Jackson, told The Scotsman he had never known anything like it in almost 30 years as an advocate. "It is very unusual to have a trial without the accused," he said.”
mel simpson:
more "crazie" stuff from JB...Bolton unloads on ElBaradei...
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/...ooge-elbaradei/
mel simpson:
Maybe old news to many here...Al Gore's insider dealing...
http://www.thepolitic.com/archiv...fear-mongering/
and interviewed at the Hay Festival by the Guardian...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/
st...1786437,00.html
"The scientists are virtually screaming from the rooftops now," he says, his voice rising. "The debate is over! There's no longer any debate in the scientific community about this."
errrm..yes Al...
deegee:
stranger and stranger:
Why hasn't the BBC denied refusing to broadcast the Alan Johnston message to his family?
-OR-
Why hasn't the BBC admitted to refusing to broadcast and explained its reasons?
-OR-
Why haven't the 'kidnappers' simply sent the missing message to Al Jazeera or other sympathetic broadcasters to avoid the BBC ban?
rightofcentre:
Charles Moore manages to sum up well here -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opini...6/02/
do0201.xml
hillhunt:
From the Biodegradable English Dictionary
Compassion n: I said I didn't give a rat's arse if he lived or died
Empathy n: I said I didn't give a rat's arse if he lived or died
Humanity n: I said I didn't give a rat's arse if he lived or died
.
Oscar:
Classic case of routine bias on this morning's Today - unremarkable because it's so common and not 'dramatic' but precisely the tactics used to indoctrinate listeners with the current Left consensus. A discussion on 'choice' in schools and education between John Denham for the Labour party and Dr Butler from the pro choice Adam Smith Institute gives a long, unchallenged, opening statement to John Denham, putting the libertarian perspective on the defensive. Arguments for market force, libertarian ideas get a grilling - ideas in support of centralising bureacracy don't. Last word - to John Denham of course, who therefore gets both the opening and closing statement. This pretends to be a fair debate - but in fact it's simply preparing the ground for the Brownite shift to the social engineering of the State - presided over by Big Brother Brown.
john:
deegee | 02.06.07 - 9:01 am | #
Yes, it's precisely these aspects of the co-production (BBC/Army of Islam, 2007) that you would have thought the MSM would pursue.
Instead, how ironic, we have the main headlines this morning on BBC concerning a "staged" Dutch TV show. The Today programme this morning How good is English wine, verbose paedophiles, dose of Russophobia with Humphrey's in fine old Falstaffian form What's Putin all about then? and They want to go back to the old Soviet Union, not forgetting the CPS reasons for not prosecuting the actor Hugh Grant, not in the public interest to prosecute
Did notice we had a sound-bite of the Palestinian PM promising that mountains would be moved so that AJ would be released soon. What was that about staged Dutch TV shows?
hillhunt:
Biodegradable:
When can we expect a petition, a DHYS, and a similar amount of broohah demanding the release of Gilead Shalit kidnapped in Israel and taken to Gaza, and his two IDF colleagues kidnapped in Israel and taken to Lebanon possibly by the same gang of thugs?
Just a few thoughts on this...
1. When they take up British citizenship
2. When they become employees of the organisation that does the campaigning
3. When they become non-combatants.
Biased BBC: Nothing wrong with the BBC that asking it to be disloyal to its own staff wouldn't fix
.
garypowell:
Slightly unrelated to BBC bias but a warning to us all, all the same.
We here today on our news media that a dutch television station showed a spoof game show featuring 3 people in nead of kidney transplants in a game show etc.
I hope you will all agree this is a truely sick idear where the end in no way justifies the means.
Confidence in the media in Holland must now be as low as it is in Britain. The people responsible for this program in my opinion should be arrested and charged with atempted deception and fraud.
Although I have not seen the program so it might have been obvious to any normal intelligent person what they were up too. However it seems that it was made in all seriousness to deceive the dutch public.
This does indicate to me the megleomanic arragance of the media in general, and a warning to us all in the UK.
As Orwell observed during his time working at the BBC "people involved in propagander soon realise how gullable and easily lead the public can be. This realisation of power quickly gos to their heads."
Bryan:
archduke | Homepage | 02.06.07 - 1:26 am
still waiting for the howls of indignation about the Lebanese army's "disproportionate" response in Tripoli, in the likes of the UN, the Independent, the Guardian, and the EU.
We'll wait a long time since this is internecine Arab strife. Any condemnation of the Lebanese Army will be muted indeed. But for a "news" organisation like the BBC, which continually proves its anti-Christian prejudice along with its dhimmitude, Fatah al-Islam certainly trumps the Lebanese Army with its Christian component.
When I indicated that the BBC would be held back by the niceties of reporting on strife between Arab brothers but would nevertheless be itching to have a go at the Christians, John Reith responded with withering scorn:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...0160181/
#350063
But he has yet to come back and share his expertise with us as to why the BBC's very own Jim Muir chose to quote a refugee from the camp comparing the present strife to Sabra and Shatila. I pointed out in my response to Reith that it was strange that Muir couldn't find one refugee among the flood of refugees with anything negative to say about Fatah al-Islam - who started it all with their murderous attack on Lebanese troops:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...0160181/
#350168
It's evident that the BBC has been seriously infiltrated by those sympathetic to radical Islam. Either Reith is blissfully unaware of this fact or he knows about it but chooses to try to hide it.
hillhunt:
john:
Yes, it's precisely these aspects of the co-production (BBC/Army of Islam, 2007) that you would have thought the MSM would pursue. Instead, how ironic, we have the main headlines this morning on BBC concerning a "staged" Dutch TV show (etc etc)
A word in your ear about fitting in around these parts:
We complain when the BBC gives too much attention to the Johnston case. Not too little.
No need to reply. Giving is enough....
Oscar:
On the Entebbe disinformation put about by beeboids who don't even know the difference between Mossad and Shin Bet - here's a report from the time that shows clearly the complicity of the French with the pro Palestinian terrorists/Uganda. Far from congratulating the Israelis (as the BBC reported) Giscard D'Estaing notably stayed shtoom - and even got the pilot (or in fact a spokesman - because the pilot refused to submit to this propaganda) to whitewash Amin - This is from a newspaper report published 9 July 1976:
President Giscard d'Estaing is the odd man out in the Entebbe rescue drama, carefully refraining from issuing any approving or congratualtory statement concerning Israel's daring and successful operation in Uganda on Saturday night. Not only that, but Paris political circles assert that the statement by the captain of the Air France airbus at Orly airport was dictated by the French Government. The airbus captain, Michel Bacos, an Egyptian-born Maronite Christian, was rescued together with his aircrew and 14 French passengers by the Israeli task force. When he arrived back at Orly, a statement was read out on his behalf, because he claimed to have lost his voice. The statement priased President Amin for "the constant concern" he had shown for the passengers and for "a nurse and doctor put constantly at their disposal."
So much for French sources being reliable.
IiD:
Goeden Morgen Dames en Heren...
Groetjes van uit Nederlands!
"Confidence in the media in Holland must now be as low as it is in Britain. The people responsible for this program in my opinion should be arrested and charged with atempted deception and fraud."
First of all it's worth pointing out that the Netherlands TV system works rather unique system when it comes to broadcasting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Pub...Publieke_Omroep
The company that produced this was BNN-and you will see why this omroep was willing to produce the show:
"BNN (Bart's Neverending Network, formerly Bart's News Network): Recently founded public broadcaster. Aimed at teenagers and young people in general. Lots of pop culture and sometimes goes for shock value. Named after founder Bart de Graaff, a Dutch celebrity who died in 2002. web"
A little bio on Bart De Graff-who was a much loved celeb over here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar.../
Bart_de_Graaff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNN...28television%
29
So people are not as shocked as you think,I didn't watch it (I was out last night) but I gather it was quite a thought provoking and very emotional programme.
You must also remember,the Dutch have a very robust view of the world-so don't burst a bloodvessel at some of the content on our TV.
BTW-Even the accruracy is wrong from AL BEEB, BNN has nothing to do with Talpa,the producers of Big Brother:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal.../Talpa_%28TV%
29
So to answer Gary's question:no The Dutch broad casting network is far broader than the rather narrow BBC remit.There is something for everyone (although the RTL/SBS/Varonica/Tein networks are Euro-trash par excellence)
Now you see why I'm keen on dumping the BBC poll tax.
john:
Charles Moore in the Telegraph today, clearly agrees with a number of posters here who didn't hear any difference in the tone
Well, he is certainly giving a voice to the Palestinian people now. And the truth is that, although it is under horrible duress, what he says is not all that different from what the BBC says every day through the mouths of reporters who are not kidnapped and threatened, but are merely collecting their wages.
The language is more lurid in the Johnston video, but the narrative is essentially the same as we have heard over the years from Orla Guerin and Jeremy Bowen and virtually the whole pack of them.
…Alan Johnston, under terrorist orders, spoke of the "absolute despair" of the Palestinians and attributed it to 40 years of Israeli occupation, "supported by the West".
That is how it is presented, night after night, by the BBC.
IiD:
BTW-Gary isn't at fault for being "disgusted" by the show-Prahaps the BBC inaccurate coverage is another pop at the "cloggies"...?
Wat en klootzaak...
IiD:
John-I though Houdini Johnstone broadcast WAS an Al Beeb report.
hillhunt:
Oscar:
On the Entebbe disinformation put about by beeboids who don't even know the difference between Mossad and Shin Bet
It's worse than we feared Oscar.
Read this slimy disinformation:
The Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) may have been involved in the hijacking of an Air France plane in 1976 by Palestinian terrorists, according to newly declassified British government documents released Friday.
Now, which Pally ally published this tripe?
Oh, heck!
The Jerusalem Post!
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Sat...icle%
2FShowFull
Never mind, we can rely on the Daily Telegraph. Entirely sound on these matters, as we know...
Mr Colvin told his superiors that his source suggested that the attack was carried out by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine with help from the Israeli Security Service, the Shin Bet.
Oo, as JBH QC would put it, er.
Biased BBC: Uniquely misguided
GCooper:
John writes:
"Charles Moore in the Telegraph today, clearly agrees with a number of posters here who didn't hear any difference in the tone"
Indeed. I approached Moore's article with some trepidation as I often disagree with him, but it was very hard for any fair-minded reader not to share his views.
Biodegradable:
hillhunt sneeringly demonstrates his inabilty to read and comprehend, once again. He says:
Read this slimy disinformation:
The Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) may have been involved in the hijacking of an Air France plane in 1976 by Palestinian terrorists, according to newly declassified British government documents released Friday.
Now, which Pally ally published this tripe?
Oh, heck!
The Jerusalem Post!
Let me try explaining it to you in four different ways, and let's see if at least one makes its way through your addled excuse-for-a-brain:
The Jerusalem Post reports what is in the recently declassified British government documents.
It is not the Jerusalem Post that is saying it was the Shin Bet.
According to newly declassified British government documents The Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) may have been involved in the hijacking of an Air France plane in 1976 by Palestinian terrorists.
The Jerusalem Post says that newly declassified British government documents say that The Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) may have been involved in the hijacking of an Air France plane in 1976 by Palestinian terrorists.
Have you grasped that yet?
What this shows is that the pro-Arab contact of the British diplomat in Paris didn't even know the difference between Shin Bet and Mossad. Given that fact do you think said contact is reliable and his information worthy of consideration?
Do you see why it was important that the BBC should have told us more about this pro-Arab contact?
If your local greengrocer or a bloke in a pub tells you that a meteorite is about to strike the earth, do you give him the same credence as you would an expert from NASA who tells you it's all a load of tripe?
Biodegradable:
hillhunt,
Just to be very clear. The complaint voiced here about the BBC's coverage of the Entebbe/Shin Bet story is not that the BBC covered it.
The complaint is that while The Telegraph and The Jerusalem Post inform us that the diplomat's source was "a contact in the Euro-Arab Parliamentary Association three days after the Air France flight from Tel Aviv to Paris was seized" the BBC merely says, "An unnamed contact told a British diplomat in Paris that the Israeli Secret Service, the Shin Bet, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) collaborated to seize the plane."
Bias by omission is what they do.
As I explained above, in this case it makes a world of difference to one's reading of such a report knowing whether the "contact" was an Israeli, a contact in the Euro-Arab Parliamentary Association, a bloke in a pub, your local greengrocer, or an expert at NASA.
The fact that said contact also appeared to be unable to distiguish between Israeli internal and external intelligence services would also seem to rest credence from his report.
But hey, why let facts and a correct reading of them stop you from showing your ignorance and prejudices? They haven't up 'til now.
sicktodeathofit:
'If your local greengrocer or a bloke in a pub tells you that a meteorite is about to strike the earth, do you give him the same credence as you would an expert from NASA who tells you it's all a load of tripe?'
Biodegradable | 02.06.07 - 11:53 am | #
Unfortunately, the likes of 'Hillhunt' probably would - as long as it was an Israeli or American meteorite.
john:
I just read the Guardian’s version of the Army of Islam tape:
To my family, my family [Mr Johnston's words are cut off]
http://media.guardian.co.uk/
site...2093218,00.html
No mention that it was the BBC who cut him off
Biodegradable:
sicktodeathofit | 02.06.07 - 12:10 pm
An inverted version of, "he may be a sonofabitch, but he's our sonofabitch"
hillhunt:
Biodegraded:
Y-e-e-e-s
When Oscar complained:
On the Entebbe disinformation put about by beeboids who don't even know the difference between Mossad and Shin Bet
Are we saying that the BBC alone should correct a historical document? Or should the JP and the Telegraph, too?
In any case, a domestic intelligence service is just as capable on infiltrating an enemy organisation on its home turf as a foreign service does abroad. And intelligence services do overlap - both MI5 and MI6 worked in Northern Ireland.
I agree, by the way, that it would have been preferable had the BBC included the name of the diplomat's source.
But it's on an issue like this that B-BBC's scattergun approach to evidence exposes itself.
The first complaint about this piece was from that wild cannon pounce, who, true to form, accused the BBC of giving Joseph Goebbels a run for his money simply for reporting on a historical document which was public property.
Then you weigh in with This smells of the same kind of antisemitic sh*t as those who say Zionists collaborated with Hitler to give Jews a reason to leave Europe.
To be fair, you ask properly what the diplomatic source was. But then you swerve back along mad pounce’s railroad and assume that the whole thing was got up by the BBC . Thanks BBC, we really needed to know all this!.
Anon then pops up with the obvious question: Did anybody else see this as a legitimate story, too? Why yes… the Telegraph and Jerusalem Post covered the same Israel/Entebbe story - hardly hotbeds of anti-semitism.
Only then do you check and discover a fair issue: that other media have given a clearer indication of the source, which gives the FCO document a more interesting question.
But even then, the B-BBC adrenalin junkies pile in with the Shin Bet non-issue. If it’s in the FCO document, it’s reasonable for the BBC to report it.
Always glad to help.
Biodegradable:
But even then, the B-BBC adrenalin junkies pile in with the Shin Bet non-issue. If it’s in the FCO document, it’s reasonable for the BBC to report it.
Always glad to help.
hillhunt | 02.06.07 - 12:43 pm
Of course it's reasonable for the BBC to report the contents of the document, including that the contact accused Shin Bet. Why then did the BBC, and as far as we can tell, only the BBC decide not to tell us who the contact was?
Returning to my meteorite metaphor it's like the BBC failing to tell us that their source is a bloke in a pub or your local greengrocer. Enquiring minds need to know.
And by the way, as I've said before, we are not a homogenous mass here. I am responsible for what I write, not what Tom, Dick or Harry has written.
Biodegradable:
I agree, by the way, that it would have been preferable had the BBC included the name of the diplomat's source.
hillhunt proves time and again that he really doesn't even read the stuff he so meticulously picks us apart for analysing.
The diplomat's source is not named even in the declassified documents. He is only known as "a contact in the Euro-Arab Parliamentary Association".
Pedantic? Me?
You bet!
Back on your head - tea break's over.
Oscar:
Anyone remember Lord Phillips rant against Israel, America and Blair on the Today programme a few weeks ago? I sent in this complaint:
I'm writing to complain about the interview with Andrew Phillips on the Today programme, which concerned the deteriorating situation in Gaza. Phillips was allowed to air a rant against Tony Blair and America, which included the declaration "to hell with America" without any intervention from the interviewer, Caroline Quinn. In fact his many questionable statements all went unquestioned. Indeed this was not an interview at all but an opportunity for Phillips to mount a soapbox, parading his prejudices on air without any checks or balances. This clearly contravened BBC guidelines for impartiality and showed up what was either bias or inadequacy on the part of the Today presenters.
And just received this response:
Dear Oscar
Thank you for your e-mail about Radio 4's Today programme on 16 May.
I raised your concerns about the interview with Lord Phillips with the programme. Whilst the team at 'Today' don't agree with your assessment of the interview as "biased or inadequate" they do appreciate the feedback.
Lord Phillips may well have been strong in his criticism of the British and American Governments but he has the right to express his own views based on his own personal experience - he had visited Gaza just a month or so earlier. However, I appreciate you feel they were not sufficiently challenged. The programme tried very hard that day - and on subsequent days - to get the Foreign Secretary or the Minister with responsibility for
the Middle-East on to the programme, but they rejected the invitation.
Thank you for taking the time to contact us with your thoughts.
Biodegradable:
The programme tried very hard that day - and on subsequent days - to get the Foreign Secretary or the Minister with responsibility for the Middle-East on to the programme, but they rejected the invitation.
And of course the BBC could find nobody else to present an opposing view.
2/10
Must try harder.
Block 813:
From the Telegraph:
"Throughout Mr Johnston's captivity, the BBC has continually emphasised that he gave "a voice" to the Palestinian people, the implication being that he supported their cause, and should therefore be let out. One cannot imagine the equivalent being said if he had been held by Israelis."
True...could it be said that the BBC gives a voice to Israelis?>.....I think not..?
End Of Message.
Abandon Ship!:
Oscar
My attempts to submit reasoned complaints to Today have been met with similar rebuffs.
Anyone listen to "Any Questions"? Today's targets for criticism, jeering, sniggering etc included
George Bush
The Catholic Church
Conservatives
Tony Blair
As ever, the audience seemed to be composed of the local "Stop the War, freedom for Palestine" chapter.
john:
Ive just been listening to Radio 4 BBC Any Questions, the repeat from yesterday. The panel was as follows:
TONY McNULTY MP: Home Office Minister
ANDREW LANSLEY MP: Shadow Health Secretary
JENNY WILLOTT: Liberal Democrat Spokesperson for Youth Affairs
GEORGE MONBIOT: Guardian Columnist and Campaigner on the Environment
Like QT on Thursday night that is an imbalance of the Left by 3:1
Jonathan Dimbleby was fawning and sychophantic, embarassingly so, towards George Monbiot, he mentioned the presentation of some award given him by Nelson Mandela. In the same introduction Dimbleby assured him of a regular place on the BBC Any Question panel. The Bristol audience expoloded in adulatory clapping.For a moment it sounded like Kinnock's Sheffield rally. Sick bucket! The BBCs bias at such moments is loud and clear! Monbiot in one of his Anti-Bush rants brought the house down- a balanced audience?
Is it me or does Tony McNulty sound like a male version of Clare Short?
bob:
Bio: I have to take you to task. Until 12.53, we were all doing so well to leave Hillhunt in his own little echo-chamber - and then you bit! MUST TRY HARDER!
will:
News24 shows pictures of thousands of rioters in Rostok, throwing missiles & waving Soviet & Che banners.
& what is exercising deskman Sissons?
The possible involvement of Neo-Nazis!
What????!
disillusioned_german:
Who needs neo-Nazis when you've got socialists? Al Beeb have a "Have you travelled to Germany to take part in the protest? Are you in the area? Tell us why you decided to take part." form underneath the main piece on the violence.
I wonder how many anarchists are going to email them their "experiences".
Biodegradable:
bob | 02.06.07 - 2:46 pm
Sorry 
I must not feed the troll
I must not feed the troll
I must not feed the troll
I must not feed the troll
I must not feed the troll...
hillhunt:
disillusioned_german:
Who needs neo-Nazis when you've got socialists?
Don't want to rake over old ashes, but isn't that attitude what got you into so much trouble in the middle of the last century?
disillusioned_german:
Biodegradable:
I must not feed the troll
Let me emphasise that:
I will not feed the troll
I still don't see much of a difference between the far right and far left. The far left is better organised and globally active though. And they've got larger numbers. Scum - both of them. I still think the Italian police did the right thing when they shot one of these morons a few years ago. Throw stones and be prepared to get shot - it's as easy as that.
will:
Lie Lab Saturday 02 June
7:00pm - 8:00pm
Channel 4
BBC Radio Times reviewer says -
In the first of three programmes, two British Asians nicknamed the Tipton Taliban, accused of being terrorists and imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay before being released without charge, agree to an experimental lie-detecting test to prove their innocence. It uses a brain scanner, rather than the traditional polygraph. Although it takes a while to get to the actual experiment, be patient: the background as to how the pair came to be captured in Afghanistan is a fascinating story in itself. The test result is probably less conclusive than the programme-makers would have wished
Guess we will have to watch to find out the outcome the programme-makers wanted.
Biodegradable:
Let me emphasise that:
I will not feed the troll
disillusioned_german | 02.06.07 - 3:42 pm
Well done. You know you're among friends here.
will:
Guess we will have to watch to find out the outcome the programme-makers wanted.
Withdraw that. The programme-makers wanted a clear cut, either, yea or nay.
disillusioned_german:
Don't worry, Bio... if you read all the stuff the lefties are responsible for (Chavez, G8 demos etc.) you become more aware of the fact that decent people need to come together to stand up for the common good. Al Beeb and its supporters are the problem / enemy.
hillhunt:
disillusioned german:
Scum - both of them. I still think the Italian police did the right thing when they shot one of these morons a few years ago.
Yes, that attitude.
Biodegradable:
I wonder how many anarchists are going to email them their "experiences".
disillusioned_german | 02.06.07 - 3:34 pm
I'm sure korova will be there "throwing a brick for peace".
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...0140571/
#347848
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...0140571/
#347850
you become more aware of the fact that decent people need to come together to stand up for the common good
Our common enemy these days is not defined or restricted by a nation's borders either.
john:
From The Daily Mail
(Alive: The proof?, Saturday, June 2, 2007, p.4.)
But Johnston's distress was evident as, speaking in a hoarse, faltering voice, he launched a clearly scripted diatribe against Britain, the U.S. and Israel. And when he tried to relay a message to his family, he was abruptly cut off. Al Qaeda-linked groups in Iraq have often forced terrified hostages to take part in similar video appeals to squeeze maximum propaganda from them
....At one stage he began relaying a message to his family, but was cut off. Subtitles then appeared on the video, saying :"The BBC refused to take this message to his family"
In response, the BBC said it had kept Johnston's family informed throughout and the family supported this.
So the family support the BBC abruptly cutting off any messages Johnston made to his family? Excuse me? I thought the most important aspect of the video was that it showed his family and loved ones he was still alive. I don't quite understand why the family support the BBC for not allowing Johnston to say anything to them, after 82 days of silence.
I still don't understand how the BBC gets to have a say in the editing of an Army of Islam video?
hillhunt:
john:
So the family support the BBC abruptly cutting off any messages Johnston made to his family? Excuse me?
Excused. But hang on a mo. What about this bit?
Subtitles then appeared on the video, saying :"The BBC refused to take this message to his family"
Subtitles. Who might have put them there? Ah, yes. The Army of Islam. They say the BBC refused to take a message.
I'm all for radical changes of direction. Heck, this rollercoaster of a website is full of them.
But have we cleared it with the other B-BBC guys that we now take the Army of Islam's word as the, er, gospel truth?
Still. Better them than the BBC.
Any day.
bob:
DG: the Italian police who shot the moron weren't merely under attack from stones. They were 2 terrified national servicemen, as I remember, under siege in a burnt-out jeep from a psychotic crowd armed with scaffolding poles and fire extinguishers; it was reminiscent of the IRA funeral incident many years ago, but luckily it didn't go the same way, with a lynching... Needless to say, the would-be lyncher is now regarded as a martyr by the anarchists
Oscar:
Violent clashes at German rally
Interesting picture edit from the BBC of the violence at Rostock. I was looking at the violent image of a rock throwing protestor complete with balaclava over his head and combat gear - looking indistinguishable from the average Mid-East 'insurgent' when before my eyes it was changed to the image you can see - yes - the brutal police beating up a protestor. At the 4pm R4 news bulletin all the emphasis was on the 'heavy handed' tactics of the police - complete with interview with one of the protestors. The BBC now consistently use this tactic - don't cover the violent provocation - just cover the reaction. Shift the blame to the authorities. This tactic is used routinely in nearly every case. Except when it's the Lebanese attacking civilians in a refugee camp - when al beeb suddenly starts covering up for them. But if it's the West, America and of course Israel - then it's always a case of 'blame the authorities' - cover up for the perpetrators.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ope/
6714429.stm
will:
Daily Mail But Johnston's distress was evident as, speaking in a hoarse, faltering voice, he launched a clearly scripted diatribe
Sun BBC man forced to slam Britain
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/
...7250508,00.html
Journalists stick together in spinning their version of the story. How do they know he wad forced? Was his distress so evident? Who wrote the script?
hillhunt:
will:
Journalists stick together in spinning their version of the story. How do they know he wad forced? Was his distress so evident? Who wrote the script?
Try to restrain your impulse to see the best in people. It will only bring sadness.
Biased BBC: The Army of Islam provides our truth
gee8:
Time to big up the G8 riots on BBC News. First out of the block - "Hundreds of protesters threw bottles and stones at Police on the outskirts of the City" resulting in a "tense stand off" Yikes!
Meanwhile, where it is really HOT, in Lebanon, the BBC reporter tells us "Nobody knows how long the fighting will last" This may be stating the obvious, but, can we really believe the BBC?
max:
Goeden Morgen Dames en Heren...
Groetjes van uit Nederlands!
IiD.. must try harder:
Goede- morgen dames en heren...
Groetjes --- uit Nederland-.
max:
The BBC just mentioned the words "terror" and "terrorism" (without scare quotes) in relation to the "militants" fighting in Lebanon.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
6714465.stm
Also, "Thousands of people have already fled the camp for shelter nearby" but apparently no 'umanitarian crisis is looming. Strange.
Oscar:
The protestors wore black "in case trouble flared" - trouble flares of its own accord down at al beeb rather like vans blow themselves up in Baghdad. (it's picture 4 i nthe sequence)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pi...res/
6715209.stm
Alan:
Al Beeb headline writers, please note:
With its usual excellent irony, Jihadwatch has:
" JFK plotters identified"
"Not Methodists"
http://www.jihadwatch.org (2 June, scroll down).
disillusioned_german:
bob | 02.06.07 - 4:48 pm
"DG: the Italian police who shot the moron weren't merely under attack from stones. They were 2 terrified national servicemen, as I remember, under siege in a burnt-out jeep from a psychotic crowd armed with scaffolding poles and fire extinguishers..."
Thanks for clearing that up, Bob. I didn't remember the circumstances but I repeat: There was plenty of justification to shoot to kill. Our problem is the Lefties (like the German environment minister) who "understand the protesters". Okay, maybe they don't agree with the stone-throwers but they've made damn sure that the police think twice before being as forceful as they should be.
I guess real Leftie dictators (i.e. Chavez) are better at quelling protests.
It won't be long before we have to fight for our democracies. Things haven't improved much since the fall of iron-curtaion. I guess you could say they've become worse.
Will Al Beeb call the stone-throwers "terrorists"? Will they, heck!
Alan:
More on the JFK bomb plot, or as Al Beeb calls it the JFK 'bomb plot'.
This is from the excellent Hugh Fitzgerald of Jihadwatch on the identity of the JFK bomb plotters, under title:
'NYC Airport Bomb Plot leads to 3 Arrests' -
" What did all three of three plots have in common? Yes, that's right, you'll never believe this, but they were all...Islamic jihad plots. Imagine that! Yet you would get no hint of that from this story. No, it was all the work of 'men', and 'people'. And these 'people' were probably all males also. I trust that the relevant law enforcement officials are stepping up their anti-male efforts now, so that we don't keep on seeing these kind of plots."
http://www.jihadwatch.org (2 June, scroll down).
And these comments also apply to Al Beeb's report of this news story, under the title:
" Four charged over JFK 'bomb plot'"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...cas/
6715443.stm
Alan:
For more informative report than Al Beeb allows us mere licence-payers on the JFK AIRPORT BOMB PLOT, see:
"Breaking News: FBI Uncovers JFK Airport Terror Plot (updated)" (2 June)
by James Gordon Meek
http://counterterrorismblog.org/
jimbob:
has anyone noticed that there is zero media/web debate about whether the caption at the end of the johnston video is
a) army of islam misinformation , or
b) evidence of bbc/aoi co production
if anyone finds a story on this please post a link. the lack of any discussion on this subject in msm is bizarre
hillhunt:
Alan:
Top drawer analysis.
One thing you might have missed. This typical wimp-out little para...
Sources said the plot involved putting explosives inside the fuel pipeline but realized that "it was not technically feasible."
Typical apologist bullcrap from al Beeb. Sources? Al Qaeda, more like.
They just won't give us the whole nine yards, those Beeboids, will they?
Oh, hang on!
This defeatist rubbish is from your own highly-recommended Jihad Watch!
http://www.jihadwatch.org
Biased BBC: The Grapes of Froth
Alan:
hillhunt
Thanks for your profound analysis, and defence of your beloved Al Beeb.
Why bother inarticulately to slag off an entire blog which you conclude is mere 'froth'? Unless, of course, there is substance here which annoys you.
come on:
G8 stand off sounds wimpy compared to a british football game nuff said presumably BBC types don't go to "rough" footie matches they think students fighting world povertycapitalismglobalwarming are the real tough guys. I would like to meet these twerps on the Old Kent Road anytime. I'd give them some global warming.
hillhunt:
Alan:
I was delighted to find that al Beeb had managed - contrary to B-BBC assumptions - to avoid using the downbeat bit of a terrorism story. There was no suggestion in the Beeb version that the terror plot itself was actually pants.
Even better, here was someone (Jihadwatch, no less) quoting "sources" a phrase which usually causes B-BBC regulars to pop a blood vessel.
I thought you'd all be delighted.
Really, I did.
momotaro:
"BBC: Obstacle to Understanding on Jerusalem"The BBC News Web site has posted “a series of articles about the attempts to achieve peace in the Middle East and the main obstacles.” The many cliched distortions, errors and critical omissions in the five-part series by Martin Asser, which includes sections on water, refugees, Jerusalem, borders and settlements, and the history of peace talks, renders the feature itself an obstacle to understanding. Tellingly, BBC does not deem “terrorism” or “incitement to genocide” as main obstacles to peace worthy of discussion. Instead, in each section, Asser heaps blame on Israel and exonerates the Palestinian side. The cumulative impression is that Israel is the obstacle to peace. Period.
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?...&
x_article=1321
John:
That nameless religion again.........
Here's Al Beeb reporting on the JFK "bomb plot":
"...Guyanese citizen Abdul Kadir, a former member of Guyana's parliament, and Kareem Ibrahim, from Trinidad, are in custody in Trinidad and Tobago.
Abdul Nur, from Guyana, is still being sought..."
I'm sure anyone who's passed 5th grade, even in Blair's Britian, can see something in common among those names? But no, - it's the "M" word - the religion that Al Beeb dare not speak its name.
Anonymous:
A leading American Congressman has called for flights from one of Britain's biggest airports to New York to be suspended - after guards who should have been checking suitcases for bombs and guns were filmed sleeping or reading newspapers
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
pages...in_page_id=1811
"FBI thwarts Islamic plot to blow up JFK"
A "chilling" Islamic terrorist plot to blow up New York's John F Kennedy Airport was thwarted yesterday. The plotters had hoped it would be more deadly than the 9/11 atrocities.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...6/03/
wjfk03.xml
.
Alan:
'The Observer' reports today, somewhat exaggeratedly, under the title:
'BBC cuts threaten news meltdown'
..."one source said" (without irony): "'Many hundreds of jobs are under threat in news and there are serious questions over whether the quality of programmes like Newsnight and The 10 O'Clock News can be maintained.'"
http://observer.guardian.co.uk
john:
Alan:
'The Observer' reports today, somewhat exaggeratedly, under the title:
'BBC cuts threaten news meltdown'
So nothing to do with the cuts made by the BBC in the Army of Islam AJ video then?
Don't these news Beeboids ever scratch their heads and think of the wages paid to the likes of J. Ross or Graham Norton.
£4.5 mill. savings, thats not even a quarter of what Ross is getting paid. Still, I don't have much sympathy, how should one phrase it:
The BBCs willing executioners?
john:
I heard Radio 4 BBC News this morning give a plug to a Panorama programme on the allegedly dangerous condition of a British military aircraft currently in use, that we were told in excited tones to catch tomorrow evening.
I would have thought after the recent debacle of John Sweeney and the expose of the Scientologists, that ended up exposing the BBCs own disgusting tabloid approach, and the one on Pakistan's cricket coach Bob Woolmer, where Panorama claimed he had been poisoned, that this programme has hit rock bottom in terms of credibility and integrity.
Like most of the BBC News reporting it is now totally discredited and shows the sorry decline of the corporation from Reith to Ross, one that set off with high educational, cultural & political ideals and tried to embody a spirit of impartial news broadcasting. Principles or guide-lines long since trashed, hijacked by a Left-wing bias that looked at itself as “hideously white”, “too middle class” etc., encouraged second-rate journalists to report “with attitude” Even John Sweeney’s disgusting outburst on Panorama was supported by the BBC.
Do we really care what Panorama think up next for a headline? Can it be trusted?
To other posters I do recommend a read of Martin Amis on Blair in yesterday’s Guardian The long kiss goodbye
A standard of journalism that maybe the BBC could have done in the past, but now not at all. The images and video in Baghdad and Basra are quite brilliant. Importantly, they also show how really biased the BBC is when it gets its hands on such material and edits it for our news, you know the sort that concerns the BBC diversity Czar.
Anonymous:
A chilling terrorist plot to blow up a fuel pipeline that feeds JFK Airport - that its four Muslim schemers hoped would be so large that "even the Twin Towers can't touch it" - has been stopped dead in its tracks with the arrest of the men behind it..
4 charged in plot to blow up NYC airport
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20070...WJGIV0A7Aes0NUE
Anonymous:
"A chilling terrorist plot to blow up a fuel pipeline that feeds JFK Airport"
I'm sure the Left will spin this as something bad President Bush did...you know, "we are the occupiers and oppressors"...The usual trick that brave Muslim leaders do best - run and hide when things get hot. The real surprise is that they still have any followers but they have even more it seems.
Abandon Ship!:
Tired of bashing the USA and Israel? Why not try Australia, as they have a fascist dictatorship in place:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...fic/
6716429.stm
Note the last sentence:
"Australians want their leaders to be far more proactive when it comes to the environment, our correspondent says."
Who are the "many people" one wonders? Could they by any chance be the liberal left busybodies and Bush haters that our BBC correspondent probably shares his pasta and olives with regularly?
Our correspondent in this case is Phil Mercer, and he has form. Here he is telling us about those "millions" of Australians distrubed by the treatment of Al Qaeda terrorist David Hicks:
"The BBC's Phil Mercer in Sydney says that while the conservative government is a supporter of the US military justice system, it has come under a great deal of pressure from Australians disturbed by Hicks' treatment."
My guess is that your average Aussie is not overly concerned with Hicks and his like.
dr:
Lie Lab Saturday 02 June
7:00pm - 8:00pm
Channel 4
Guess we will have to watch to find out the outcome the programme-makers wanted.
I saw the end of this, one taliban terrorist refused to go ahead with the test afterall and the another one was shown to have lied about pretty much everything he originally claimed he was doing in afganistan.
I guess the usual useful idiots will ignore this one. I tried to record it for utube but my recording has lots of break up, so i can't upload it.
John Reith:
john | 02.06.07 - 2:20 pm
Is it me or does Tony McNulty sound like a male version of Clare Short?
Interesting question.
Let's check out their voting records.
McNulty:
# Very strongly for introducing ID cards
# Very strongly for introducing foundation hospitals
# Very strongly for introducing student top-up fees.
# Very strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws.
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp...lty/
harrow_east
Clare Short:
# Moderately against introducing ID cards.
# Moderately against introducing foundation hospitals
# Moderately against introducing student top-up fees. votes, speeches
# Moderately against Labour's anti-terrorism laws.
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/
mp...ngham,_ladywood
Nah, it's you john.
Apopleptic:
Publicly funded Islamic catechesis
Welcome
Muslims have brought a wealth of cultural and religious traditions to Britain and are finding creative ways to express their identities in the secular society in which they work and play.
Shariah TV gives young Mulsims the chance to discuss the dilemmas and prospects they face in their day-to-day lives. With the help of a variety of Muslim clerics
http://www.channel4.com/culture/...s/S/shariahtv2/
Nice one.
Pizdet:
BBC 6pm comedy news show again. According to comedian in chief Simpson all Putin wants is a little "respect" Oh Yeah? You mean like for Russia's human rights record for a start? Funny how the BBC gives Iraq star billing every day of the week but conveniently forgets about Chechnya.
"Welcome to Hell"
Arbitrary Detention, Torture, and Extortion in Chechnya
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/...ssia_chechnya4/
Luckily the BBC is not i/c our security services, their naivety is mind boggling as disclosed by the lead in "words we didn't think we would hear again" Aaah has the little diddle dums been shouted at again by Mother Russia?
respect:
A BRAVE VOICE SILENCED. Prominent Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya was killed on October 7 in her Moscow apartment building. An outspoken critic of the Kremlin, she was best-known for her reporting on the conflict in Chechnya. Former Soviet President Gorbachev called her slaying "a true political homicide, a vendetta."
Pay attention BBC NEWS
Alan:
Apopleptic.
Yes, just as Blair and Cameron compete for the Muslim block-vote, by talking as though Islam is a (mantra) 'religion of peace', despite all the evidence, so Al Beeb and Channel 4 compete to extend a largely uncritical 'cultural' Islamisation of the UK.
Comments, like the following,
are largely taboo with both those broadcasters:
"60 per cent of UK Muslims deny Muslims carried out the July 2005 bombings" (5 June)
http://amnation.com/vfr/
hillhunt:
Alan:
Still your apoplexy.
Al Beeb and Channel 4 compete to extend a largely uncritical 'cultural' Islamisation of the UK.
Comments, like the following,
are largely taboo with both those broadcasters:
"60 per cent of UK Muslims deny Muslims carried out the July 2005 bombings" (5 June)
I think you'll find that the figure originated with Channel 4 News, who commissioned the opnion poll themselves...
http://www.channel4.com/news/art...about+77/
545847
Biased BBC: Apoplexy. On Demand.
Alan:
hillhunt.
You are so profound. Of course, the survey of UK Muslim opinion was done by Channel 4. I'm talking about the attitude by the broadcasters to the survey.You don't get it: my observations are not the observations of Biased BBC. Isn't that made clear to you at this website? You're not just a 'spoiler', by any chance, are you? Don't forget to try to get in the last word about all the comments here at Biased BBC.
I think we've all got your number here.
Alan:
Al Beeb printed - "Full text: Blair's speech on Islam" (4 June). Go to Al Beeb's web-site, and 'Politics'.
I think that the best critical response to this speech, and current related Islamist issues, is by Melanie Phillips:
"Britain's dhimmiversities" (5 June)
http://www.melaniephillips.com
Bullshit Detective:
BBCBias: 0 out of 10.
Doesnt try at all.
Anonymous:
Bullshit Detective | Homepage | 14.06.07 - 5:06 pm
shite detective .... tells lies
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