What a collection of scholars! Good for you.
May I recommend that you plan next summer -- bring Amy and Hannah -- to a forum in Louisville called the Church Teaches forum.
Regular guests include Bishop Bruskewitz, Father Arnsparger, Archbishop Burke and others. Cardinal Arinze headlined this year.
Emailed!
That was a good time at the conference. I also missed Sunday...decided to make choir practice instead.
I was at the conference, too, but I didn't meet you. At least, I don't think I did. Thanks for the great description of it!
Boulevard's best beer is the Pale Ale. Doc, you should've tried that one.
Karen, I'm so sorry to have missed you! I wish I had known you were there.
Keith, thanks for the Pale Ale tip. I'll definitely try that one next chance I get. From one beer lover to another, these brewers know what they're doing. I read that they introduce a bit of yeast into their beers to continue the fermentation process after bottling. Incredible flavor. They did their homework.
Chris, the Louisville forum sounds like a winner. Keep us posted on developments for next year. I have the greatest of respect for Father Arnsparger from Arden, NC, in the Asheville area.
Glad you had a good time, PP. I would indeed have enjoyed it. Good to have a round up of the highlights, so thank you for that.
Also very glad to hear Jamie and family (and Benedictine College) are doing so well!
"Msgr. Moroney, who wisely counseled that one shouldn't "slap people" hostile to the "reform of the reform," but basically suggested that one should patiently love them, and wait and pray."
Very telling remark. All concern, solicitude and supine charity toward the people who have embraced the debasing of the liturgy. No attention or concern whatever for those who have been driven to despair, indifference, and even schism by such debasement. That is the voice of the USCCB.
Moroney indeed.
The charity of one hand clapping.
I'd like to second the motion of your going to the Louisville conference. I attended that conference this year and really enjoyed it. If nothing else, the conferences are a great place to go to "real" Mass. The Louisville conference is much less "scholarly" -- which is not to say that is less intelligent. Just a bit more casual.
Off the topic, but I wanted to also add that we have a cabin in Boone and we go there whenever we can escape Orlando. Maybe someday we can meet for a BBQ sandwich and a glass of sweet tea!
Karen, I don't do sugar, which I consider the dietary equivalent of crack cocaine; but make that a Boulevard Bully Porter (with the BBQ) and I'm there!
"All concern, solicitude and supine charity toward the people who have embraced the debasing of the liturgy. No attention or concern whatever for those who have been driven to despair, indifference, and even schism by such debasement."
The former are you patients, Ralph not your enemies.
And how do you know what attention or concern he pays those others (among whom, I number myself)?
If someone recommends buying dog food, is he suggesting you starve your cat?
Meow...
Gadfly,
If they are my "patients", then let them heed Dr Ralph's stern advice.
How do I know what attention he [ie, the USCCB] pays "those others"? Have you been asleep the past forty years?
Gadfly, just so you know, Ralph lives in upstate New York, where the long winter of our discontent has been unendurable.
I'd suggest that some people should in fact slap other people. Fortunately I am not a bishop, so I haven't the responsibility of deciding who is who. (Whom? What?) Unfortunately, somebody could conceivably decide that I'm the one needs slapping. Good for humility, bad for orthodontia.
Thank you, Philip. I will keep you posted. Meanwhile, my one-horse school is expecting to host its annual fundraising dinner this year with special guest Fr. Benedict Groeschel.
Oh, to be a part of Catholic renaissance!
By the way: Fr. Arnsparger is in Gastonia now, not Arden.
Why is it a crime, as Gadfly insinuates, for modern Catholics to want their Catholicism FULL STRENGTH?
Kathy,
Please refrain from insinuating that the problems of modernism in the Church are confined to my little Lilydalean utopia in western New York. As you well know well enough, they are widespread throughout this, our titanic American empire of touchy-feeliness. They call it AMchurch, not WNYchurch (though that has a ring to it).
I would suggest that your apparently wondrously easy access to somewhat less debased liturgy makes YOU the one to be marginalized, not me.
Oh, so sorry.
Yes, my situation is somewhat oasis-like, but it's hardly unique. Chris is in an oasis-parish. St. Patrick's in Columbus is an oasis. I have a lot of good liturgy around me but there are plenty of churches doing dumb stuff in the same city--within blocks of one another. 5 blocks from where I sit, there's a parish that makes it look like Vatican II was a blight on the Church's life. Meanwhile, young fervents in Roman collars will stream out from the seminary next door by the dozens at 7:50 tonight, to cross the street and host their weekly Benediction service. Which will be attended by a lot of the college kids who went last night as well. Not that Catholic U.'s Benediction crowd rivals Christendom's, or Steubenville's, or Thomas Aquinas College's. I'd bet Ave Maria and the University of Dallas do fine too with the weekly devotionals.
Touched by the Spirit of Innovation this moment, I envision a United Diocese of AMchurch, with BUFchurch (led by the intrepid Lord Kmiec), ROCHchurch (Lord Clark), LAXchurch (Lord Mahony), etc. AMchurch could then be a confederation of diocesan fiefdoms, forming alliances of convenience with the distant King Benedict. The concept of "pew peasant" fits in nicely here, does it not?
Oops, I forgot. We've got all that ALREADY!
Is it merely coincidence that Cardinal Mahoney presides over LAX Church?
The only thing that disappointed me about the Kansas City conference was insufficient time for substantial discussion, such that some of the more substantial questions of the sort entertained by many of you in these comboxes could be raised. Patrick Lee did raise the question about ad orientem, but it got only one rather quick and perfunctory answer from a representative of the USCCB, and the issue never surfaced again, even though the President of the Fellowship had made a point of raising it in his editorial in the issue immediately preceeding the Conference. Many other such issues could have been broached and discussed profitably, it seems to me, with such a gathering of minds as were there.
I think that your summary of the conference was admirably concise and gave a good sense of the presentations. You might have added something on the daily liturgies, beginning with the opening Mass celebrated by the wonderful Bishop Finn.
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