Sorry, it still belongs in the parking lot.
It doesn't need to be moved. They just need to do it correctly which means not allowing the laity to do it at all. Can you imagine that nonsense going on in an EF Mass?
It so needs to die. It is lame and disrupts the tone of worship. Meet and greet AFTER the service.
Yeah, the Kiss of Peace has always been where it is now. The placement isn't the issue but rather it is the form. Either eliminate it or bring back the pax-board.
The Sign of Peace does need desperately to be toned down if not eliminated, but I have to wonder how come, with all that unbridled liturgical innovation going on at Vatican II, nobody thought to introduce the Sign of the Sword into the Mass. After all, Jesus did say He came not to bring peace but a sword. No more of those later, accretion-filled, corrupted medieval liturgies! Surely if we want to recapture the pristine Eucharistic liturgies of the original Christians, we simply have to go back to Jesus’ words and ritually share with one another a sign of conflict and war. Maybe we can get out those old pax boards and smack each other around with them for a couple minutes right before Communion.
Just a suggestion.
That's not a bad idea. A couple of good smackdowns might be really good entertainment, especially if you hit those people who run around during the sign of peace and shake everybody's hands.
Indeed, isn’t the Eucharist all about feeding the People of God? As we know, so many people receive such sublime spiritual nourishment from televised professional wrestling matches. An enthusiastically celebrated Smackdown Rite during Mass might be just what Catholics need to enterta- , er, I mean nourish them.
Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic....
Keep it, move it, eliminate it. Look at what we are doing: we are turning what is supposed to be the timeless sacred liturgy into tinker toy designing: build your own Mass.
Why are we doing this? Because that is precisely what the Novus Ordo invites us to do. It is precisely the attitude which allowed the Novus Ordo to come into being in the first place, and it is absolutely contrary to the idea of liturgy.
It is an anti-liturgical attitude --the attitude of the theater critic -- nurtured by a Novus Ordo anti-liturgy.
>Sigh< ... And some people think they need cable for entertainment ...
Chorpsman - cheer up.
If issues like this have you reshuffle chairs on the Titanic you have no real problems.
You religious more conservative guys should be happy the church is clearly turning your way - in my view discontent and negativity is part of your deeply desired state of being - thus no church will ever be just perfect enough for your refined tastes. Oh well - same can be said for folks on my side of the spectrum.
Good that plenty of humble catholics will ensure the future.
I keep reading one catholic 'horror story' after another around the confines of catholic appologetica - indeed the horror of greeting and hugging in church. In my view a good number of the most vocal converts will just move on to narrower confines of more 'perfected' warship communities.
The truth is the authoritarian setup of our church does not bode well for the future as a large church with the masses of people raised on choice,freedom and democracy. Call it Tinkertoys if you must.
The tinkertoys of choice diversity and freedom beat the alternative any day.
"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose."
Grega, aren't we supposed to be countercultural?
Grega:
Traditionally minded Catholics aren't opposed to the Rite of Peace. They aren't even opposed to having a good time (see Chesterton for proof, among many others). Rather, when we're worshipping God, we want God to be the focus. Love of neighbor is a good thing. It's even a very important thing. It is precisely why the Rite of Peace needs to change from its present form: it amounts to an entire congregation distracting every member from worshipping God. Love of neighbor should mean that we let others pray, not constantly distract them -- not with an inherently evil thing, mind, but with a good -- by using the wrong sense of the word "celebrate" for the occasion.
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