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C'mon Kibs. Even I get Mick's point. It's not that Hitler is like Gore it's that Hitler and Gore use the same strategy of terrifying people to get what they want. Honestly, there is no better analogy for these two totally comperable people (except of course for that whole killing the Jews thing, duh!).
It's just like my doctor who told me that if I don't quit smoking and start excercising I could have a heart attack and die. Clearly, since not everybody who smokes has a heart attack this Hitler wants to put the tobbacco and sausage companies out of business.
And I'm sporting fangs, a pointy goatee, and a somewhat skull-like appearance these days. And curly goat horns. It's so metal; so core.
Thou foulest of fiends, who wouldst confuse or otherwise bend my mind! Get thee behind me! (How'm I doing, Mick?)
Oh, so you like it from behind. I can do that too.
I'm sure you've heard about my clubbed foot. More like a foot-and-a-half.
Should I start reciting the Lord's Prayer backwards right about now?
The worst of it, Cracker, is that I, too, am now infected with this demonic disease called irony. O lost!
For what it's worth, here's what Abe Foxman said about Beck's comments:
Glenn Beck's linkage of Hitler's plan to round up and exterminate Jews with Al Gore's efforts to raise awareness of global warming is outrageous, insensitive and deeply offensive. Unfortunately, his remarks are just the latest example of a troubling epidemic on the airwaves, where comparisons to Hitler and the Holocaust are becoming all-too facile.
It has become almost commonplace for talk-show pundits to use comparisons to the Holocaust and Nazi imagery to attack people whose views they disagree with, whether the issue is global warming or immigration, as we witnessed when CNN's Lou Dobbs recently suggested on his program that immigrant rights groups use tactics similar to those of Nazi propagandists.
The six million Jewish victims and millions of other victims of Hitler deserve a measure of respect. Their deaths should not be used for political points or sloganeering. Every time a radio or television personality takes that unique event in history and twists it for their own political agenda, it cheapens the public debate and distorts and trivializes the Holocaust.
Obviously Abe Foxman is a shrill, deranged moonbat.
"C'mon Kibs. Even I get Mick's point. It's not that Hitler is like Gore it's that Hitler and Gore use the same strategy of terrifying people to get what they want. Honestly, there is no better analogy for these two totally comperable people (except of course for that whole killing the Jews thing, duh!)."
For a second there, I almost thought you got the point, Pesky. The first sentence above captures Mick's point very well. But then you must have confused your "ironic" self, because in the second sentence you're right back talking about Gore and Hitler (not their methods) as comparable. Oh well.
In any case, I agree that Hitler analogies are rarely apt, but given their ubiquitousness (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God...ki/Godwin'
s_Law ), you might wish to direct your froth and spittle in a more productive direction. I suggest important problems such as stray cat overpopulation or the epidemic of mono on our college campuses.
Well, thank you haloscan. Alternative to that link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_Law
Well, who gave Mike Godwin the right to make laws?
Nell, pay close attention.
To suggest that Al Gore is trying to create a one world government is BATSHIT INSANE on its face. It's not an interesting proposition or food for thought, it's jaw-droppingly stupid. Moreover, NOBODY could ever create a one world government without engaging in attrocities that would make Hitler look like a chump. So Beck-- in spite of his weak caveat-- was intentionally placing an image in the mind of his readers of Gore as despot, looking to subject the world to his whims.
There are apt Hitler comparisons, and to put such a thing off the table is dangeroud. It's like saying "You can't compare any new plague to the black death." But to compare Gore's environmental mission to Hitler--in ANY sense-- is NUTS. Period. And it's nuttier when you throw in LIES about one world government on a major news outlet. I can show you undeniable proof of US torture, intimidation, etc. Show me ANY proof--- heck, any suggestion of a proof, that Gore wants to take over the world, and I'll eat my Inconeniant Truth DVD with butter.
Pesky,
I always try to pay attention. Unfortunately, my ability to do so is taxed by your talent for misinterpretation, exaggeration, hypocrisy and misspelling. The irony is, I basically agreed with you that the Hitler comparison was inapt. Maybe because I didn't use inflammatory language such as "BATSHIT INSANE" or "NUTS" or "LIES" you couldn't understand the nuance of what I was saying. I admit it, I don't have the zeal to conjure up such rhetoric.
Because of this lack of passion, I don't think I'm suited to co-brew your teacup storms. Perhaps I will peek in now and again to amuse myself, but for now, I've got actual thinking to do.
Also let us not forget that ( to the best of my knowledge) the Jewish menace was not an actual threat. Global Warming is. The act of yelling fire in a crowded theatre is contextually distinguishable if the theatre is actually on fire.
As a sometime machiavellian the ends do occasionally justify the means, so even if Gore was playing straight out of the Mein Kampf playbook, it would still be different becuase killing jews..not an end justified by means wheras helping the enviroment carries a lot more water. And we will need to carry water if the ice caps melt people.
But doesn't this really get back to the "war on terror" problem. Tactics (like those being discussed or terrorism) are tools. The only moral issue with using any tool is the intent of the user. Hammer a nail versus hammer a head. Terrorism versus Scaring kids straight. Kicking someone in the balls during a boxing match or during an attempted rape. tactics are always, always, always contextual. Which is why the comparison of Hitler/Gore is stupid and especially irrelevant.
Yes Shea, well said and spot on. I've made the same case again and again. One may use a hammer to build a cahthedral, or to murder a child. The misuse of a hammer doesn't make the hammer evil.
You Nell, I am afraid, are talentless, and either mentally disturbed, or under some spell.
Beck offered a grand conspiracy theory. No two ways around that. A theory without a fact to base it on. Go back and read it all yourself, it's there in free black and white. And it's batshit crazy.
If you believe it, you are batshit crazy. If you don't believe it but defend it you are a two-faced enabler with both faces up your ass.
Civility is earned, Ms. Nell. It is not the same as graciousness, which is offered at this site in abundance. All are treated as equals until they start laying cable on the salad bar. You are welcome to stay, but don't expect any kindnesses.
Beck compared Gore the the worst aspects of Hitler because he suggested an agenda that was false: domination, rather than salvation. That is a vicious piece of mendacity, And as Big Daddy says in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, "Don't that mean lying and liars?" Yes, it does.
To debate this is as futile as debating whether or not water is wet. Funny, the people you folks defend.
On his special, Beck finds people to help him "debunk" the threat of global warming and then tries to get the audience all worried about one-world government. Does the tactic sound familiar? At best, one could say it's Gore-ian.
Also, Beck said he wouldn't vote for Lieberman because of what might happen in the Middle East and then said that's not the same as saying he wouldn't vote for a Jew. It is the SAME! Comparing Gore and Hitler is comparing them. What is it that Nell thinks we're missing? I'm truly curious.
Hasn't the ridiculous "one world government/ giving up America's sovreignty" but been more than a little bit overplayed?
I don't care if it's a Nobel Laureate or an assclown on a TV show saying it, once one of those phrases has come into play, you have forfeited the right to be taken seriously.
And Hitler? Come on. When no one is getting killed, the word simply does not apply and looks lampoonish on its surface, on the bottom, and everywhere in between. Mick, don't tie yourself to a moron like Beck.
Somebody please explain to me why everyone is calling me 'Nell'. My name is 'Neil'. I am not a 'Ms.', I am a 'Mr.' At first I thought it was just another typo, but apparently not.
Back to the topic, the most informative piece I've heard on Global Warming yet, by NPR - http://www.npr.org/templates/
sto...storyId=9082151
Nell,
Who's calling you Nell? As far as I can tell everyone's calling you Nell.
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