Remember, Felix is watching you!
Now let me be as succinct as possible here.
I marched in a few of the civil rights marches of the 60s. My father was tear gassed in them,,,,,,my family is of white descendancy.
The history of this nation is that in the 1800s it became evident that the majority of whites never supported slavery. In fact only 3% of the white population ever even owned one. Though Rev. Writes words did anything but seperate the minority of evil doers from the vast white majority.
In the 60s we pushed for affirmative action knowing full well it would in affect disenfranchise many white people from jobs who had nothing to do with the injustices of the past in order to insure some degree of restitution for those injustices.
To listen to the congregation of Rev. Write happily going along with his bigoted, hateful, demeaning diatribe is little more then a slap in the face to the majority of whites who care/cared enough to do the right thing.
His (Rev. Wrights) words showed no grace for Dr. King, no grace for the whites of this nation who rose to face down an ultimate evil, and no gratitude for a nation that responded with real and meaningful change to what had been the "status quo". They displayed an unbridaled passion to continue a hatred towards ALL whites of this country despite the real dedication most have displayed towards these issues over the last 150 years. In the end these diatribes tell white America that "As blacks we don't care how much you do on behalf of racial equality as far as we (blacks) go. We don't care that most of you in fact provided huge effort and displayed true compassion for correcting the terrible. All we know is that we hate ALL of you".
I see these diatribes as little more then an open declaration of racism and a rhetoric aimed at undermining everything good, decent and honorable in the struggle for civil rights. In fact I would even go so far as to say that they (those words) were in fact only being utilized to incite racial unrest.
Things are not yet perfect. However if anyone thinks that hatred of this kind will ever forward the mission of a loving equality of any kind, I suggest that you might perhaps think again.
First of all, fully one third of Southern white families owned slaves. Second, the entire country benefited from slavery insofar as cotton from the South fed the textile mills of the North, providing an economic foundation on which all future prosperity was built.
Next, find me anything in Rev. Wright's quotes being bandied about that is anti-white. If you'll actually read the things I posted, you'll see that Wright is quite acrimonious concerning America, but never singles out white people for anything.
Finally, Wright's words are hardly being used to incite racial unrest. Where are the Black against white hate crimes that cite Rev. Wright as inspiration? Comparing Wright to the race riot inciters of the South is disgusting. There is nothing that Wright could say that would make Black folks as angry as simply examining what America does to them every single day.
Only 3% of Americans owned slaves period.
This is well documented.
Where you dreamed the 40% of Southern whites owned slaves is beyond any historical record.
In the south the percentage was 2%, in the north it was 1%.
Now that you have tried to deamonize millions of Americans who in fact NEVER owned slaves then I must accept the fact that you are among the haters who need to push up numbers while systematically denying the millions who gave thier life in order to seed a path of decency for our nation.
All any of the haters do is cry that after slavery they still were not considered "equal".
618,000 Amercans died in order to provide a starting point for the path to civil rights in this country.
Not that the haters ever stop to contemplate that figure in a nation of 8,000,000. Nearly one in ten died deciding what was right.
I am awaiting the day when African Americans finally give thanks to the union whites whose deaths allowed us the starting point we continue upon to this very day.
Dear Spencer,
First of all, go fuck yourself. Anyone who suggests that Black folks need to thank white folks for ending slavery is simply not worth talking to. However, I will finish the argument I have started.
Your allegation that a mere 2% of whites owned slaves is a fantasy. Hop on over to the 1850 census results (http://www.civil-war.net/pages/1860_census.html) and you'll find that in every slaveowning state the population of families owning slaves was at least ten percent,with the median being about 30%.
Your argument about 618,000 dying to provide a starting point is equally spurious. First of all, that's the total number of deaths in the civil war. Which means that approximately half of your number were in fact confederates fighting for the preservation of slavery. Second, the Union did not fight to free the slaves. It fought to crush the political power of the Southern planter class. Eventually, Lincoln realized that the best way to do that was to free the slaves. His soldiers were not giving their lives to free slaves. They were giving their lives because they were conscripted and would go to jail if they didn't fight. On its own merits, your argument is a non-starter.
But once we go beyond the confines of your asinine argument, we begin to see just how racist your assumptions actually are. In effect, you have erased African Americans from the history of their own emancipation, representing it as a gift given to them from their white saviors. This narrative utterly ignores the amazing history of both slave revolts in the Americas and the abolitionist movement, which was based in the Black community. Without the slave revolts, it is unlikely that the massive slave rebellion in the south which decisively ended the civil war would ever have happened. Without the abolitionists, it is highly unlikely that Lincoln would have been progressive enough to realize that freeing the slaves was the key to crushing the south.
I've provided a detailed historical refutation of your inane racist nonsense, but since you're clearly a moron I'm expecting that I'll get very little in the way of actual response. Instead, I anticipate more factual errors, half-formed historical gropings, and racist doggerel.
Oh yes
You are correct. That is the total number of American lives it took to settle the matter once and for all.
However I do not consider hundreds of thousands of Union troop deaths a meager number not to be honored.
Now I have committed great amounts of time and energy bringing economically distressed people into the realm of the computer age.
What is more I will cointinue to do this.
What is really sticking my crawl is that for once I have the opportunity to cast a vote for what could very well be the finest President we have had since JFK. Oh yes, I am talking of Obama. However, what I see is an old guard of people dredging hate from the past and attempting to deposit on today.
In short as far as I am concerned these "Men of God" on all sides of the race issue who subscribe to the propogation of hate can ALL GO STRAIGHT TO HELL!
The reason the North fought (as long as we are on that subject) was first and foremost to preserve the Union. That slavery had to go in order to insure that end does not in my mind belittle the overall good that came of it.
And oh yes, the Emacipation Proclimation ONLY applied to the southern states. However the rest followed suite soon enough. The writing was as indelable as the blood that spilled to make it happen.
What is missing here in this conversation is that it is missing the historical context.
Now the current slavery in the Sudan is not missing that at all. The slavery issue that constinues in a few Middle Eastern countries as well is not missing that either. But what are we doing about the greater evils still afoot in the world on this matter,,,,,,,,,,,,,,sitting here bitching to each other as to the right of some to be held in high regard for continuing to behave as though slavery is somehow still alive and well here.
And as to your numbers again. Most of the population resided in the North during those years. That is the real reason the South lost. No way they could match the much in numbers of troops or matured industrial strength of the North.
The numbers I have read over and over have put the average at 3% of the total population max.
The FACT is that at teh start of the Civil War a slave cost about $52,000.00. That was almost the amount of money the average man could expect to earn in a lifetime. So now what beckons is the question of just where 30% of the population came up with the tens of thousands of dollars needed to buy these slaves?
The answer is that very few did.
There is no doubt that the slaves accounted for a huge amount of the GNP of the South. Now if you told me that 40% of the southern GNP was produced by slaves then that is a figure I could easily identify with.
However you asserted that a full 40% of the southern population held slaves. Now it is at 30%. As far as I am concerned it was nowhere near either figure.
I don't really care about the web page you posted. I don't know who wrote it and don't really care. ALL the accredited historians of reasonable mer
This is a string of figures from your site.
ALABAMA
964,201
435,080
96,603
529,121
33,730
33,730 were slave holders out of a total population 964,201.
When you toss in teh families that owned slaves you get scewed results because slaves were bought and sold by individules not families.
What is more I highly doubt those family figures anyway unless you want to brand every single family member wherever they lived as being a party to that evil. We all know that the issue split more families then it could ever unite.
This is like "Well my bastard brother Elmo owns a slave so that must mean that my whole family owns one".
Spencer, you're a sad man with little to no grasp of American history, current events, or logic. I've nothing more to say to you.
Yes I was at the site.
It indicated that in Alabama for instance 33,000 whites out of a total population of 396,000 were slave holders.
Hmmm, well I did say 2-3% and even in this southern state the numbers hold.
Now the family as I see it is like:
Well my brother Elmo owns a slave so I guess that means that the whole family is a slave owner.
That is non-sense. If we are to spread it around like that then I suppose we can also spread guilt to an entire family if one of them is a convicted murderer as well.
Individuals held slaves.
What is most striking are the total population numbers that slaves comprised. In Alabama (again) you have 3% or so people holding (what was it 35% I believe) as slaves.
No, if you are going to try to make a point to me about the magnitude of the issue AS IT WAS then those are the figures that represent it for what IT WAS.
Tying entire families to float the numbers here just does not make it.
Unless of course you need them to be guilty in order to advance some hateful white guilt trip.
Now I have read and heard all the "White Guilt" syndrome that some try to play on. And I myself have experienced a few of those individuals try to instill it onto me.
Well lemme tell ya pal, it doesn't work here, it never worked here, and it never will work here. What is more it is losing it's traction on the white population in general.
The Jews never pulled it on the Germans and for good reason. It only forwards hate. Hate is hate is hate dude. And for those who have a need to continue to breed it in thier hearts I do feel so sorry for them. However, I (as more and more folks) just stay away from them. I have no need for them. I have too many things to cover in this life where hate serves no purpose.
Commenting by HaloScan
