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First. Go Democrats!!!
Scotslaw | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:07 am | #
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silver medal
p | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:10 am | #
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demorats we'll beat them once we hav a man on message
michelle milkin | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:12 am | #
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Another Minnesota prayer answered. First, Dayton retires. Now, Rod Grams announces his comeback bid! Lets just hope MN GOPers fall for it! GO DFL!!!!
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:16 am | #
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How about JESSE V for a nice indy MN senate run in 06? I think arnold will make it to the senate in 2010, run for guv again in 06 and than terminate boxer in 2010, maybe jesse can be senator first ala being guv.
P | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:19 am | #
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OTHER POLITICAL NEWS:
Rep. Jim Davis (D-Tampa) announced he will run for FL Gov yesterday. At same time, Lawton "Bud" Chiles III formally kicked off his campaign in downtown Orlando. Not to be left out, State Sen. Rod Smith (D-Gainesville) announced the hiring of one of NC Gov Mike Easley's political consultants to run his Gubernatorial bid. Three great candidates. It's hard for us FL Dems to choose. I have to go with Davis, though, as he is my congressman. Plus has a stronger base and resume. I still contend, however, that this race may never come to be as Bob Graham will enter at the last minute, causing these three to exit. We actually have an embarressment of riches here!
Heard from South Carloina that incumbent GOP Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer will face a strong challenge from Mike Campbell, son of ex-Gov. Carroll Campbell, in next years Republican primary. Look for this to be a nasty fight!
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:25 am | #
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I didn't think Franken would run.
And Ron, I'll mention it again too, Feingold in 2008!
paul falduto | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:29 am | #
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Jesse Ventura would HATE being in the senate. It is THE CLUB after all, he he certainly would not like that atmosphere. He didn't even like being gov that much. Plus, he would have to move to DC another thing he would hate. Ditto Arnold, by 10 he will have tired of politics having quenshed his political thirst. He will never run for senate. Plus, by then he will no longer be coasting on fame, and actually have a record to defend!
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:31 am | #
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I support Chief Justice Roy Moore for President in 2008.
Terry McDermott | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:31 am | #
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I think Franken would rather run against Sen. Accident in 2008 although I think either of Wellstone's Sons would wipe the floor with him....
Alan Page in 2006
petedal | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:31 am | #
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I wish Russ Feingold a long and prosperous career in the US Senate. Perhaps he will be a leader in passing some of President Bayh's agenda!
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:32 am | #
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I support Justice Roy Moore for a labotomy in 2008!
David Wellstone is destined to retake his dads seat in 2008!
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:34 am | #
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I think Bayh will be the Ed Muskie of 2008.
paul falduto | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:35 am | #
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Paul, don't say that
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:37 am | #
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Please, Ed Muskie was a great guy, but comm'on
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:37 am | #
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I don't see Franken running for office, I think he would be perceived as just a comedian and satirist.
Of course, what was Arnold? A bad "B" movie actor.
As was Reagan, of course.
So maybe we should count Franken out just yet!
paul falduto | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:38 am | #
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Franken is talented at what he does, so he should stick to that. The opposite was true for the late Sonny Bono of course.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:39 am | #
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Sunlover1, Bayh is not my first choice, but if he got the nomination, I'd support him, as I imagine you would support Feingold.
But I think Bayh will not prove a good candidate, he is too dull.
paul falduto | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:40 am | #
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If we are going to nominate Bayh, why not try to talk Reublicans Guliani or Colin Powell into running atleast they are more progressive.
Maybe we can have a Bayh/Lieberman ticket that way the GOP would have both spots on the ballot.
petedal | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:40 am | #
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I meant we "should not" count Franken out, although, again, I doubt if he will run in 2008.
paul falduto | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:40 am | #
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Bayh/Lieberman, now that would be an exciting ticket! LOLOLOL
paul falduto | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:41 am | #
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I would support Feingold, hell I supported Kerry (and even as 14 year old passed out fliers for Mondale-Ferraro in 84), but don't think he is the best choice. Bayh has both the executive experience from two terms as gov of Indiana, and Washington experience as being a senator for a decade.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:44 am | #
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The latter makes Bayh a good bet. Plus, he is a moderate from the mid-west.
I would love to see Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) as his VP.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:45 am | #
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Sunlover1, well, we will see. At this point, I think Edwards and Clinton are the frontrunners, but it's a long way off.
paul falduto | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:46 am | #
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Sunlover1, Feingold is also from the Midwest, and from a more Democratic state.
paul falduto | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:47 am | #
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no talk of Bill Richardson? Richardson/bayh is the best ticket, just need to carry all of kerry's state's and NMex and Ind to get 269. Yeah, jesse V probably wouldn't like the senate but hey maybe he is bored. Arnold on the other hand might like the DC scene.
p | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:55 am | #
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It's too bad Franken didn't run - that would have made that a hilarious race.
New Patriot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:56 am | #
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Maybe, though, he still will run, in the future. Franken for president anyone?
New Patriot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:57 am | #
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Exactly, Bayh is from a gop state but has won it five times now already. He would carry Ohio, and maybe KY, and certainly MO. Feingold is a little to liberal for national office. Wisconsin is different from the rest of the mid-west. It is not as conservative. The LaFollette progressive tradition, Milwaukee socialists, ect. Wisconsin Dems are closer to Massachusttes Dems, than they are to Missouri Dems.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:57 am | #
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Lets pick a WINNER next time folks.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:58 am | #
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Petedal...let's heed Bill Clinton's message in today's Washington Post and reserve our criticism for the Republicans...last time I looked, Bayh had a D next to his name. Stop eating our young.
Paul...I didn't get the comparison with Bayh and Muskie...except for both being moderates...Muskie was the front-runner in 72 before he imploded...Bayh certainly isn't. Muskie had a temper and while I don't know enough about Bayh...emotional is not a word I see associated with him.
Full of Bushsit | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:00 am | #
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A winning D ticket would be any combination of:
Ford/Tennesse
Warner/Virginia
Bayh/Indiana
Richardson/New Mexico
Full of Bushit | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:04 am | #
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Bayh is bland but may be the best candidate. He has probably made some people very disapointed in his home state with his vote against Condoleeza Rice. However, he has six years to make them forget. He could put Indiana in the Dem column which, in itself, could make a big difference in the race. Richardson is very moderate as well so liberals on this blog may not be as happy with him. No Dem is going to win being angry and stridently liberal. Check out my blog for more analysis of P2008
Justin Ready | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:06 am | #
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Feingold is interesting because even though he is liberal, he gets along well with the other side and could appeal to people as a "straight shooter"
At this point I would have Feingold and Bayh in the top tier of potential candidates along with (but slightly below) Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and Edwards
Biden and maybe Dodd I would also include along with Richardson
Justin Ready | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:08 am | #
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Ed Muskie was a decent senator from a small state, but wasn't really first string material. He was only the frontrunner in 72 because he was HHH VP running mate in 68. Not the best choice then either (Sen. J. William Fulbright for VP would have been much better ... a moderate, anti-war, southerner.) Muskie later flopped as Carter's Sec. of State. Evan Bayh is first string material!
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:08 am | #
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In the end Hillary won't run. She will enjoy a long career in the senate a la Ted Kennedy. Edwards was a flash in the pan. Little substance, and less experience. Gore may run, but he is a has been.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:15 am | #
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Kerry should concentrate on getting his step-son Chris Heinz elected to Congress from Pennsylvania.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:17 am | #
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I just love it that the White House let someone in under a fake name. Are they worried that their press secretary isn't up to the job? Does he need someone to throw him a lifeline when he's up there struggling?
At least they didn't pay "Gannon" off like they did with Armstrong Williams and Maggie Gallagher. But I wonder, how did he get up there without someone's knowledge? And how did he get classified CIA documents regarding Valerie Plume to sully Joe Wilson's name? I wonder.
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:20 am | #
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I personally think this is what it will look like in 2006. In Texas it will be a tough three way nasty republican primary with Gov. Perry, Sen. Hutchison, and Comproller Strayhorn. There will be a run-off between Hutchison and Perry,but Hutchison will win the runoff to face John Sharp in the general election. It will be a close race. In the senate race it will be Lt. Gov David Dewhurst against either Chet Edwards or Charlie Stenholm.
In Calif. Arnold Swattzernegger will be unopposed and he will challend either Rob Reiner or Cruz Bustamante. Arnold will win re-election easily. Sen. Dianna Feinstein will face either Richard Reirdan or another unknown republican. In Minn. it will be Tim Pawlenty against Skip Humphery in the Gov's race. In the senate race it will be Rod Grahams against Roger Moe. That is how 2006 looks so far.
Daniel Barker | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:20 am | #
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John Edwards will run in 2008 and I will enjoy watching him get absolutely hammered by far more experienced candidates in the democratic primaries. John Edwards was a huge dissapointment who added nothing to the vice presidential ticket, may he fade away into obscurity.
Kevin | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:25 am | #
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Daniel, your about right on Texas, but way off on every thing else. AG Bill Locklyer will be the D sacrificial lamb to Arnold. I doubt Riordan will run for anything. Some hapless GOP congressman will likely be thrown against Feinstein. Skip Humphrey WILL NEVER RUN FOR OFFICE AGAIN!!!! Neither will his ex-running mate Roger Moe. It's way to early to know who the D's will nominate in those two races, but trust me, it WONT be Skip, or Moe.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:27 am | #
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Also in 2006 George Pataki will run,but he will be defeated by Rudy Giulani in the primaries,but in the general race it will be to close to call between Giulani and Spitzer.
In 2008 the democratic primaries will consist of Evan Bayh(Ind), John Edwards(NC), Joe Biden(DE), John Kerry(MA), Chris Dodd(CT), Wesley Clark(AR),Russ Feingold,and Al Sharpton. Also Dennis Kuninich, Hillary Clinton, and Lyndon LaRouche may all try for the nomination. In the 2008 Republican primaries it will be John McCain, Trent Lott, Rudy Giulani, Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, Norm Coleman, and George Pataki.
Daniel Barker | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:28 am | #
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I don't think hilary would be where she is if she isn't the type of person who wouldn't run in 08. YEt, you can make a nice case for her not running in 08, it would be quite nasty. If she doesn't run in 08 and a dem wins, i think she could become AG or get supreme court seat, spitzer could appoint bill to her senate seat. IF a repub wins in 08, she would only be 64 in 2012 and after 12 years of repubs in the white house and 2 failed dem camps, i think it would be much easier for her to win in 2012.
p | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:30 am | #
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Pataki and Giuliani will not run against each other. More likely, Pataki will be discouraged from running again by the others in the party.
hK | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:34 am | #
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Whats really funny is that Hillary is actually not all that liberal. Her voting record is quite moderate. She is to the right of her NY colleague Chuck Shummer. And certainly to the right of Ted K. Her image is, however, tainted as liberal, plus all the baggage and personal scandals of Bill haunt her.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:38 am | #
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A sports journalist friend of mine from the Grand Rapids area sent me an unusual newspaper article...it seems that the powers-that-be are placing a rush on completing what will be the final resting place for Gerald Ford. I know that he is nearly 92 years. I read recently that he was 'ailing.'
ScottL | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:38 am | #
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Pataki's political career is just about over. Guiliani is already campaigning for prez 08, so neither will be running statewide in 06.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:40 am | #
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How far have Dems fallen when we are willing to promote a boring, fairly unknown Senator from a small state who does not even share many of the values that should make us Dems (like being progressive).
I mean we have to do better than that....and don't make the Clinton Comparison....He atleast was anything but boring.
petedal | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:42 am | #
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Sorry to hear about Jerry Ford. He is a decent guy, brought the country through a time of healing.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:43 am | #
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"If she doesn't run in 08 and a dem wins, i think she could become AG or get supreme court seat"
A supreme court seat? You've got to be joking. And doesn't the AG have to have some experience in law enforcement?
I do agree however that her "liberalism" get's overplayed by the Hannitys and Limbaughs of the world. They have hated her since day one because she didn't fit their traditional view of a first lady and actually dared to voice an opinion every now and again.
That being said, I don't want her being the nominee, because she won't win.
Mike_B | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:46 am | #
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I don't get all this boring stuff about Bayh. He seems rather Kennedyesque to me. Young, good looking, yet with a wealth of governmental experience. If we nominate on carisma alone, Jesse Jackson would have been nominated years ago. People, please, what do you want this guy to do, cartwheels down Pennsylvania Avenue?? Bayh is a WINNER, like Clinton, but without all the scandals. This guy is as clean as a whistle. And not all Democrats identify themselves with the far left fringe. Myself included. We must be a big tent if we want to regain our past glory.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:49 am | #
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Mike B is right on the money!
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:50 am | #
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All this prognosticating about the nominee is hugely pre-mature. Everybody and their cousin has an exploratory comittee these days. I put out feelers myself, but my polling tells me that a) I wouldn't play well in the south, b) I'm not old enough, and c)nobody has ever heard of me. We're still about 18 months away from knowing who the candidates are on either side. Many people will rise and fall in that time.
Mike_B | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:52 am | #
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Also, it doens't matter if we nominate Evan Bayh, Joe Lieberman or the Pope, any democratic candidate is going to get the "liberal" label hammered in to them by the GOP spin machine anyway, so we might as well nominate who we think will be the best president.
Mike_B | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:55 am | #
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True, we should concentrate on picking up 4-5 governorships, 2-3 senate seats and 5-7 House seats in 06.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:56 am | #
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The term liberal, as far as the Republican powers that be are concerned is synonymous with the term democrat. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either lying or naive.
Mike_B | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:57 am | #
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hillary's dream from her law school days was to get on the supreme court. After 8+ years in the senate i don't think she would get voted down by that body and i would think the clinton political machine would lobby hard the incoming dem prez to appoint her if this situation occurred. As for AG, it can be anybody but sec of Education might have been better guess.
p | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:58 am | #
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Whatever happened to report of a US Senator who was going to outed as gay? This was a while back...
Jeremy | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:00 am | #
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p, Supreme Court nominees are almost invariably judges of high esteem, with many years of experience in a high level court. Hillary has never been a judge and hasn't even practiced law in the past decade and a half. No way she even gets nominated.
But let's assume that none of that matters. You actually think that the Republicans would stand for HILLARY CLINTON as a nomination for ANYTHING? She might not be the person Republicans hate the most, but any list of the top 5 has to have her on it. A Republican majority in the Senate will NEVER confirm her, and a Republican minority in the Senate (one can dream) will fillibuster her nomination until the cows come home.
Mike_B | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:03 am | #
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I don't think Bayh is all that boring, but a little electricity certainly wouldn't hurt him out on the hustings. Far from being boring Midwestern hayseeds, Indiana's statewide officials have usually had a tendency toward the dry and cerebral (Dick Lugar, for example). For whatever reason, this combination of traits is seen as admirable and thoughtful in GOP candidates (see Bush 41) but somehow unctious and opportunisitc in DEM candidates (see Al Gore) . So, while Mike_B is right that are inevitable reductions any DEM candidate would have to contend with, it goes far beyond simple labels of "liberal" or "conservative".
hK | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:04 am | #
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What was the Jerry Ford referance?
Can't find it on any news sites....but Arthur Miller did pass away...Married to Marilyn Monroe at one time which is way cool.
petedal | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:05 am | #
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If a Democratic Presidet were to nominate Hillary to the SC, Sean Hannity's head might explode.
Wait, come to think of it, I have hear worse ideas...
Mike_B | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:05 am | #
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gay senator? probably the most conservative member. Maybe drudge would know, heck, probably dating drudge.
p | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:05 am | #
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The only outing of a gay senator that I recall was the postumous outing of Senator David Ignatious Walsh (D-MA), years after his death.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:07 am | #
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Supreme Court nominations post-Bork rely extensively on paper-trails and jurisprudencial vetting, neither of which would be possible with a Hillary nomination and which would make it subject to politically expensive scrutiny. I think the last pol who was every seriously considered for a Supreme Court position was Mario Cuomo (at least slightly plausible since he at least used to teach law school), but even he felt that he wouldn't be all that effective as a justice.
hK | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:07 am | #
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Yea, Miller said basically that Marilyn drove him nuts!
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:09 am | #
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That's what all of "After the Fall" was about . . .
hK | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:09 am | #
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Hillary has the same chance of serving on the high court as Roy Moore does ... NONE
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:10 am | #
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Come on Ron, do you really think Russ Feingold can really win? Do you think that the only US Senator to vote against the Patriot Act can really survive GOP smears and lies and distortions? No, he cannot. Mary Landrieu in 2008!
Andrew2 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:11 am | #
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It may have been Hillary's dream to be on the Supreme Court when she was younger, but it's also my dream to play in the NBA. They are both equally likely to happen.
Mike_B | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:11 am | #
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I did some research and it turns out that Gerald Ford is in fact... Still Alive!
I'm not sure what sunlover is talking about but if Ford did in fact die, it is such a non-story that it hasn't even been covered on the prestigious internet.
Mike_B | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:13 am | #
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Does anyone else remember the old "Gerald Ford died today" SNL skit?
Mike_B | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:14 am | #
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No real News on Jerry Ford, just some speculation - Have a sprotwswriter friend from Grand Rapids Michigan who tells me that there is a rush on completing what will be the final resting place for Gerald Ford. He has been ill lately and he did not attend the inauguration
ScottL | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:14 am | #
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A former president of the united states dying is hardly a non-story, Mike B. I did not say he died, I said that sources tell me a rush has taken place to complete his final resting place in Grand Rapids, Michigan
ScottL | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:16 am | #
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Ford is alive, I was just reponding to another post concerning his tomb preparations in Michigan.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:16 am | #
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He didn't attend the Clinton Library Opening either
hK | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:18 am | #
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I'm not saying it was a non-story. It was a joke that was intended to make the point that he was alive. Sunlover posted above that he was "sorry to hear about Jerry Ford." My response was posted before you made your post about the resting place.
Mike_B | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:18 am | #
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Oh, sorry, I didn't read up far enough to see about the tomb.
Mike_B | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:18 am | #
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I would not have believed a story about John Edwards running again in 2008, but...
Last Saturday night I was watching C-SPAN (oh, what an exciting life I lead, but a 3-mo-old will get ya there) and what did I behold, but a certain smarmy, grinning former VP nominee and son-of-a-millworker being followed around the New Hampshire Democratic [something-or-other]'s 100th anniversary celebration by the C-SPAN camera crew, while the logo in the bottom right corner of the screen said "Road to the White House 2008"....
joe | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:22 am | #
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Gerald Ford is alive ( I think it would be a major story if he was not), and last I heard doing relatively well for a man his age. He does not make many public appearances any more or travel much outside of California because of his advanced age but I don't think there is any validity to any rumor that he is on his death bed or anything like that.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:51 am | #
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Petedal...educate me...what votes has Bayh mande that are different than Hillary? They both supported the war and Bayh opposed at least some of W's tax cuts (there were so many) and I assume Hilary opposed them also.
So please educate me on the difference between bayh's record and Hillary's.
Full of Bushit | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:51 am | #
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TOP 10 HOUSE DISTRICTS DEMS SHOULD TARGET:
1. Florida 10 (likely retirement)
2. Minnesota 6 (open seat)
3. New York 29 (weirdo freshman)
4. Louisiana 7 (GOP Freshman)
5. Indiana 9 (GOP Freshman)
6. Nevada 3 (Competitive District)
7. New Jersey 7 (ditto above)
8. Wisconsin 8 (Open seat)
9. Pennsylvania 4 (with C. Heinz)
10. North Carolina 11 (always competive incumbent)
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:56 am | #
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I am pretty confident that Chris Heinz will not be running for Congress.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:56 am | #
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I have not heard anything about Bill Young retiring in FL, but I believe that is probably a pretty Republican district on the Congressional level.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:59 am | #
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10 1/2. Colorado 7 (Competitive District)
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:59 am | #
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I am going to go look and see if I can make a short list of top endangered Dem House seats.
Keep in mind, Dems need to win a heck of a lot more GOP seats and hold their own to win a majority.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:01 am | #
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Actually, Young's district has been gradually moving Democratic over the past decade and a half. St. Pete is no longer strong GOP territory.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:01 am | #
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I think Democrats who are hoping for a Grams primary victory in Minnesota are going to come away disappointed. I did read where Mark Kennedy is planning to announce his candidacy, I think today. He is the most likely Republican nominee. If I had to make a guess on the Democrat nominee, I'd guess Betty McCollum, with Allan Page as a potential dark horse.
Peter | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:02 am | #
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Even my GOP friends here in the Bay Area admitt that his seat will likely go Dem when Young retires.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:02 am | #
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I won't be running for President on the Constitution Party ticket. I hope a true conservative challenges Arnold in the Cali primaries, even if he/she loses. I fully expect a primary challenge to Bredesen in Tenn, even though Bredesen seems to be a dark-horse candidate for Pres in 08. (i'm thinking actually VP when the dust clears). Too many candidates for Senate in TN 06, but Ford could win. I agree with the above poster about Edwards, he was a media creation of the highest order - finishing consistently 4th or lower until Gephardt & Dean BOTH dropped out. Roy Moore is probably the next Gov of Alabama - he'll annihilate Riley in primaries - but he might lose the General. Either way, I imagine that's where he's running rather than POTUS. Maybe Ron can have Feingold/McCain in 08 - even though in some ways I think Mc may actually be more conservative than Bush.
jsb | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:06 am | #
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I decided to not make the list. It will be easier to do in 2006.
Melissa Bean is a goner though.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:08 am | #
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To Barker:
"I personally think this is what it will look like in 2006. In Texas it will be a tough three way nasty republican primary with Gov. Perry, Sen. Hutchison, and Comproller Strayhorn. There will be a run-off between Hutchison and Perry,but Hutchison will win the runoff to face John Sharp in the general election. It will be a close race. In the senate race it will be Lt. Gov David Dewhurst against either Chet Edwards or Charlie Stenholm."
That actually makes a little sense, though I think Dewhurst would get a stiff challenge from Henry Bonilla or Railroad Commissioner Michael Williams. I wouldn't be surprised frankly if Karl Rove boosted Williams as the Republican answer to Barack Obama.
"In Calif. Arnold Swattzernegger will be unopposed and he will challend either Rob Reiner or Cruz Bustamante. Arnold will win re-election easily."
Whoever said that Bill Lockyer will likely be the sacrificial lamb is more likely correct on the opponent, though Schwarzenegger will yes, win in a landslide.
"Sen. Dianna Feinstein will face either Richard Reirdan or another unknown republican."
Some hapless State Rep. or State Senator probably.
"In Minn. it will be Tim Pawlenty against Skip Humphery in the Gov's race. In the senate race it will be Rod Grahams against Roger Moe. That is how 2006 looks so far."
Tim Pawlenty versus DFL Attorney General Mike Hatch is more likely, and I don't think Rod Grams will get the nod. Grams got whupped by Dayton in 2000 and it's not wise to put up a loser. Look for Congressman Mark Kennedy as the Republican opponent. So far as the DFL goes, Roger Moe has a chance but I think there will be a DFL push for Alan Page or one of the Wellstone sons if they're smart.
shawn | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:08 am | #
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Corey, you always have to be right, but I have it from a good source in the media that his health is declining, but there again you know everything
ScottL | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:09 am | #
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jsb, I'm interested in your thoughts on primary challengers for Bredesen in TN. It does seem that he's liked better by Republicans than by Democrats right now.
joe | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:09 am | #
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Who's health are we talking about Ford? Bill Young?
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:10 am | #
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"2. Minnesota 6 (open seat)"
Secretary of State Mary Kiffmeyer will likely run for that seat, and likely win, if Kennedy runs for the Senate.
"3. New York 29 (weirdo freshman)"
Weirdo freshman perhaps, but in a firmly Republican district. The voters knew he was odd when they put him in and Kuhl has some time to straighten out his image.
"4. Louisiana 7 (GOP Freshman)"
I'm from Louisiana, know that area well, and can say without hesitation on the Dems' chances to take Boustany out: Not A Chance.
"8. Wisconsin 8 (Open seat)"
Isn't that a firmly Republican district?
"9. Pennsylvania 4 (with C. Heinz)"
Isn't that also a firmly Republican district?
"10. North Carolina 11 (always competive incumbent)"
Maybe North Carolina 8 but so far as 11, again, a firmly Republican district.
I don't know much about Florida 10 but I think Gore won that district in 2000 so you may be right there.
"Melissa Bean is a goner though."
Pretty much, yeah.
shawn | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:16 am | #
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Mornin' gang.
Ron, you couldn't POSSIBLY be insinuating something with that reporter, could you?
Shawn, in about four years, this is going to be a firm Bullmoose district.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:17 am | #
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Sunlover1, WI progressives are much different from MA liberals. They're both great in my opinion, but the base is different.
paul falduto | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:19 am | #
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And I don't think Bayh would necessarily carry IN as a Pres candidate.
paul falduto | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:19 am | #
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Bayh would not carry Indiana.
paul and I agree on something!
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:20 am | #
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What I was refering to earlier, From Politics1, 9-10-04:
"News tip: The same gay activist who last week successfully outed two-term Congressman Ed Schrock (R-VA) as gay is apparently on the verge of outing a high-ranking member of the US House GOP Leadership as gay next week."
Nothing ever came about from this, did it?
Jeremy | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:21 am | #
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http://www.wsws.org/articles/200...5/faa-
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Knowledge is power.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:24 am | #
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...and apparently, Intelligence isn't.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:25 am | #
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Shawn :
Louisiana 7 is back in play if Chris John makes a comeback. Dems only lost this seat because of extreme friction between Dem candidates. Cravens cost us the seat.
NC 11 - is hardly safe GOP, Taylor's numbers were down again in 2004.
NY 29 - Dems had a weak nominee in 04. Better candidate could give incumbent a run for his money.
Minnesota 6 was held by a Dem before Kennedy.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:30 am | #
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Let me say, I'm sorry. For some reason, I was being a real asshole yesterday. I don't know what it was. Once again, I apologize.
Forgive me, comrades.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:31 am | #
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I know Corey hates Melissa Bean, but I think she stands a 50-50 chance at re-election. Rham Emanuel will move heaven and earth to keep her in congress. Plus, Ill is trending Dem, despite Blago, so GOPers should concentrate on protecting Hyde, Weller, and Kirk.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:33 am | #
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I'm going to try to get Bill Ayers to take on ol' Charlie here.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:33 am | #
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Evan Bayh WOULD win Indiana! I'd bet everything I got on that.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:34 am | #
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http://www.wsws.org/articles/200.../guan-
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Another good reason for an independant court. Thing's like this don't happen in Fascist or Nationalist nations, like Stalin's USSR.
http://host3.uscourts.gov/02-299b.pdf
For the compleate opinion of Judge Joyce Hens Green.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:36 am | #
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Sunlover, I do not "hate" Melissa Bean. However, anyone who understands the make-up of the district knows that she has far less than a 50 percent shot. I would say 25 percent at most.
Weller is all but safe. Henry Hyde would win too, but it looks like he is going to be stepping down, and that district would easily elect a Republican.
The only district among those that you mention that is Democrat leaning is the Mark Kirk district, where I live. As long as Kirk is running for that seat, he is extremely safe. He has beaten opponents by a 2-1 margin in his last two campaigns.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:39 am | #
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I think the Dems need to step away from the Center. They need to seperate themselves away from the Religious Right and the Neo-Cons.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:40 am | #
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Sure Rahm Emanuel would like to keep Bean in Congress, but he is smart enough to know that one particular race may be a lost cause, and turn his resources elsewhere throughout the country.
Besides for Bean, all other districts in Illinois should be fairly easily won by the current incumbent party.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:40 am | #
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There has been a many a GOP Congressmen who win in Dem districts in a fluke (like Bean) and go on to hold them for years, so I don't see why the same might not be true for Bean. There is power in incumbency. Perhaps hate was too strong, but "not crazy about" would put it better.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:43 am | #
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How many GOP Congressmen represent Democratic majority districts. Probably 20-30, mostly in the south!
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:45 am | #
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Of Course Hillary and Edwards can both forget the nomination if Al Gore returns with a Nixonlike comeback, as is expected of him.
Daemon | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:46 am | #
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Sri Lanki is steping straight into another disaster. E. Kaushalyan, the leader of the Libertarian Tigers
of Tamil Eelam, was assassinated on Monday. The peace talks, compleated just two little years ago, could be thrown out the window compleately.
The Sri Lanken President has condimed the act, but the LTTE calls it an "act of government suppression."
I have respect for President Kumaratunga. I respect the LTTE cause. I only pray Athenia to bless them with the wisdom not to let this escelate.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/200.../sril-
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Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:48 am | #
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Sunlover, would you like to offer an example of a GOP fluke who has stayed in Congress for years?
I think the Bean victory in 2004 has the most in common with Michael Patrick Flanagan who beat Dan Rostenkowski in Chicago in 1994. Flanagan was well liked by just about everyone during his two years in Congress but he still lost in a landslide when he tried to win a second term.
I am not sure what you are saying about GOP Congressman representing Dem districts.
I would bet that there is not one GOP Congressman in the South who represents a Congressional district won by Gore or Kerry.
IL 8 goes heavily GOP on the Presidential level.
Bean just cannot survive in that district.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:48 am | #
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Bill Young may be the only one in 2000.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:50 am | #
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Corey, Actually IL 8 is not as heavily dem as IL 6 which is made up of a strong Dupage County Republican bench.
Daemon | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:51 am | #
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Al, John, or Billery.
If I had to choose, I'd go with John, seeing as we're both Ol' North Staters. But I could vote GOP if they nominate a Liberal/Libertarian/Moderate. I'll probley vote Socialist Equality or Socialist. Mabey an indie. Or Green.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:51 am | #
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I mean heavily rep*
Daemon | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:52 am | #
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IL 6 and IL 8 are comparable, IL 6 is slightly more so though.
Nonetheless, Bean is not going to be able to win in that district, barring a complete and total surprise factor.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:53 am | #
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Ragnar would waste his vote on a party that stands no real chance in hell of winning, atleast unless the law is changed by current standards.
Daemon | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:53 am | #
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SBC buying AT&T for $16 billion—25,000 telecommunications jobs to go.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/200...5/sbc-
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Remember Charlie Chaplen?
http://www.wsws.org/articles/200.../chur-
f11.shtml
Okay, that's enough Socialism for today.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:54 am | #
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Try Clay Shaw and Mark Foley in 2000 as well
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:55 am | #
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Yeah but in order for Bean to have won 2004 against Crane shewas carrying her message around the district anti-incumbent wise against an incumbent who has ignored the district for along time.
Isnt it true that Bean after twice onthe ballot will eventually be more familiar to thevoters?
Daemon | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:55 am | #
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Hey, if both choices are good (Say, Clark and Gulliani), I'm going to vote for my ideology, which happens to be Democratic Socialism/Trotskyism, with a dash of Libertarian.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:57 am | #
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All you do is have to say that you will fight for the voters of your district and vote with them 100% of the time to get yourself atleast 4 or 5 terms to safe incumbency in the House.
If Bean does that, theres no stopping her limits.
Daemon | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:57 am | #
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Are you a Libertarian Socialist Ragnar? Ron has a page for Libertarian Socialists to go to an organization on his Issues-Libertarian Sites page.
Daemon | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:58 am | #
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I'm astounded ... In fifteen years or so active in politics I have seen district after district that were once held by Dems, and once they elect a GOPer they never come back!! This is especially true in the FL legislature. It is really frustrating. A long shot GOP candidate picks off a seat in a special election, or because of a troubled incumbent, or some such thing. They are usually narrowly re-elected the first time, and then hold the seat for years. Even after they have retired, the district remains GOP.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:59 am | #
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Three cases that come to mind in Congress were Bill Dickinson in Alabama, Newt Gingrich in Georgia, and Jay Dickey in Arkansas. They were flukes that stayed for years, decades in Dickinson's case.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:01 pm | #
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Bean is either going to be running against a veteran state legislator or a multi-millionaire of some sort who will vastly outspend her.
Yes, incumbency helps her to an extent, as it did for Michael Patrick Flanagan, but it is not going to be enough.
Her victory over Crane was about Crane. Another Republican is going to have a huge edge. Not to mention, the lower turnout that a midterm has as opposed to a Presidential year. The local GOP organizations in that CD are far more sophisticated and organized than the local Dem organizations, and that would of course only benefit Republicans, the lower the turnout is.
While Bean is not a raving liberal, she is going to have to take issues that the district opposes, such as her first vote, when she voted against a Chicago exurban area Representative to be Speaker of the House.
Melissa Bean is without a doubt, the most vulnerable incumbent of either party anywhere in the nation, be it House, Senate, or Governor.
I am curious to hear what analogy Sunlover wants to draw regarding his contention that there are many GOP Congressman who won in heavily Dem districts and went on to serve for a long time.
What GOP Rep. and district is he comparing with Bean and IL 8?
I am going to lunch very soon, but will check in later.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:02 pm | #
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Hell Bean might even be there for as long as Phil Crane, and then some GOPer named Corey will knock her off with another anti-incumbent streak.
LOL. Just kidding Corey. But Sunlover1 does have a point there.
Daemon | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:03 pm | #
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I'm not saying Dists carried by Kerry or Gore, but Dists that are either Dem by registration, or D by tradition. These dists that have Dem state Sens, Sheriffs, county auditors, county commissioners, ect., yet elect GOP Congressmen, like Phil Gingerly for example.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:04 pm | #
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Well Jay Dickey was defeated after just a few terms, but I am pretty sure his district had voted for Reagan and Bush in 1988. There is no such analogy to be drawn with Dems competing on the Presidential level in IL 8. Gore and Kerry did not even come close to winning that district.
Wasn't Bill Dickinson in AL somebody who was elected in 1964? That is quite a long time ago, and you would need to chalk that up to southern realignment, and not any sort of a fluke.
Newt Gingrich's victory to Congress in 1978, was also a long time ago, and would have more to do with the movement of the South toward the GOP.
Yes, IL has been trending Democrat, but that trend has not hit the 8th district to any extent in which the Republican nominee should not be considered the overwhelming favorite.
Back later........
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:06 pm | #
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And IL has a Democratic makeup of the state right now. I am predicting that if Lahood in IL 18 goesfor Governor, His seat is going togo Democratic. That seat was held by a Dem for many years before him, and it will return to its natural roots, whether Lahood beats Blago or loses to Blago.
Daemon | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:07 pm | #
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I think there are a good many more Dems in Beans Dist than GOPers in Rosty's old dist.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:07 pm | #
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Districts in the south that are Dem by registration or tradition, or that elect local Dem officials, are because those are conservative Dems.
Those people register Dem, and they vote Republican on the federal level.
The analogy just does not fit with IL 8.
IL does not have registration by party, but the district elects Republicans to just about all levels of government. Furthermore, IL 8 has a great deal of social conservatism in it, that you would not find in a place like IL 10, which always elects GOP House members.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:09 pm | #
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I don't really get the Gore-Nixon comparison. Yes, they were both former vice-presidents who lost their initial shots at the big prize to candidates who were eminently more likable, but that's about it.
Aside from his disastrous run for Governor of CA in 1962, Nixon conducted himself in a very dignified way. He was the conciliatory figure in the Goldwater debacle of 1964, and worked hard on behalf of GOP candidates in 1966, resulting in their considerable gains in the House. He had built up considerable goodwill and had chips to call in.
Gore, on the other hand, had an identity crisis (I know, we can argue that Nixon was always in one). He grew a beard, gained forty pounds, swung hard to the left, and started showing a passion that few people had seen out of him before. A passion that is so phony it is pathetic. His endorsement of Howard Dean did little to endear him to the party establishment, and I believe that many were rankled by his crude and classless treatment of Joe Lieberman.
Also, we live in a technological age that Nixon didn't live in. While I'm sure that Gore could rehabilitate his image very easily, he has a myriad of others (HRC, Edwards, Kerry, Bayh, Dean) who will be fighting for the cameras and their shot at the big prize. Somehow I don't think he's going to be all that welcomed by the party's congressional candidates in 2006.
That said, I'd like to see Gore do well should he run again. He is far superior to those I mentioned above, save Bayh, and he has some reasonable positions. I just wish he would be himself. Dull, boring, seldomly witty, but earnest. If the true Al Gore, the Al Gore of the late 80s and early 90s shows up in 2008, I might be tempted to vote for him. But if the Al Gore of late sticks around I hope he fades into the obscurity that I wish HRC, Kerry etc. were destined for.
Practical Progressive | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:10 pm | #
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The LaHood district was previously held by Republican Leader Bob Michel for many years, certainly not any Democrat.
That race would not be competitive. IL has 19 Congressional districts, and besides for Bean, none of the others 18 should be competitive.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:10 pm | #
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As for Dem dists held by gopers, hell, Arizona 1, Nevada 3, and Gingerly's seat in GA were all supposed to be Dem, yet there are gopers holding those seats.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:11 pm | #
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Daemon, I have nothing to do with that anti-Semetic asshole. And Libertarian Socialism is akin to anarchy, which is impossible.
No, I support a combonation of Economic Socialism (The government runs major industries with the democratic input of the workers) and Idealistic Socialism (The democraticly worker-run state) with a dash of Trotskyism (Internationalism and a single, national party, with various inner caucuses that nominate canidates for office).
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:12 pm | #
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Well, I am signing off for now.
The Bean district is the one right next door to me and I feel that I have a pretty good understanding of the dynamics of that area.
I guess we will just all have to wait and see. If you turn out to be right, I will be the first to salute you and when you see the results there, I would expect you will do the same to me.
I expect a very lively GOP primary a year from now and I have a lot of confidence about which party would be winning that race in November, 2006.
Bye for now.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:12 pm | #
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Forget about Bean and Ill for a moment. My point is that usually when a goper wins a House seat held by a Dem it rarely reverts back. Thats my point. Many of these GOPers begin as flukes.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:14 pm | #
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I'm a bit discombobulated. What is the date?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:16 pm | #
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The 11th, inenit?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:17 pm | #
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Well Corey, I will cede to you your local analysis on Bean. But, Bill Young's district is next to mine in Tampa Bay area. I am aware of the local dynamics here as well and feel that once Young retires, be that in 06, or 08, or when he crokes, the D's start off in a very good position. So, I'll take your local take, if you take mine!
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:20 pm | #
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Hey all, what's up?
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:21 pm | #
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Sunlover, what's up, mate? Who are you looking at in '08?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:22 pm | #
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'Sup, sku.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:23 pm | #
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EVAN BAYH 2008 .... The GOP's worst nightmere!
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:25 pm | #
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Man you guys move to fast for me sometimes....
To answer FOB...first I was not comparing him to Sen. Clinton
Why I consider Evan Bayh less than desirible
Member of the DLC--which is good enough for me
Terrible at best on reproductive rights issues.
Voted for the Bush admistration Energy plan that was nothing more than a freebie for corperate America
Voted with corperationas and against consumers in trying to recontruct personal bankruptcy laws.
As Governor, might as well have been Tommy Thompson on welfare reform and W when it came to the Death Penalty....so that is just some of the places I disagree with him and the basis of my value of his worthiness for my vote as a progressive.
Corey: I would like your input as to the possibility of Illinois 3 being in play....I would think that the way they stole the seat for lipper jr....plus the conservative nature of many of the D voters in the district could be a combo that could make a viable Repub strong there>
Petedal | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:25 pm | #
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I have to say, I'm with Ron on Feingold in '08.
I like the idea of Hillary, just because it would make the GOP crazy, and she is probably my top choice of the major contenders (in which I would include Kerry, Gore and Edwards).
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:26 pm | #
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Good news for all of you tranny golfers hoping to get a spot in this year's Women's British Open. I know that there are a lot of you out there, and your dreams have finally come through. The Ladies Golf Union, or the LGU, changed their rules and trannys are now allowed to tee it up in the Women's British Open.
The switch was made after our old friend Mianne Bagger became the first tranny to play on the ladies euro tour. This is outstanding. Not for golf, but for freak shows. Now that we have half women half men playing in sporting events, how long until lobster boy gets a sponsor’s exemption? How long until the guy with two heads gets a spot in the field? This is great.
All of those people that were confined to carnivals and sideshows now get to play professional sports.
Sadly, the American LPGA Tour isn’t as progressive as the LGU and they still prohibit tranny’s from playing on that tour. How backwards of them. How last century.
If Mianne, ‘I used to have a’ Bagger wants to play on the tour and she has the game, then she should be allowed to play, regardless of what equipment she has sandblasted off in recent years. She is a woman now, so let her play. If guys on tour that can’t cut it anymore want to take the ultimate step, then they should be allowed to. Can’t keep your card on tour? Go see a special doctor in Sweden and show up at the Women's British Open and make your fortune. Good for you Euros, you are way out ahead of the curve on this one.
Jason Stevens | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:26 pm | #
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And Corey:
Noone thought Jim Douglas would win asecond term, or atleast not as big ashe did, considering the conditions that hecame to office in 2002. There are reprimands, regardless of IL 8. And those reprimands usually say that incumbents have an advantage.
Yes Melissa Bean may be the incumbent now and just cannot give an "antiincumbent" mood, But her face is also not as old as Phil Crane was to the voters, so the anti-incumbent mood could still work for her atleast for a few terms.
Daemon | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:26 pm | #
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Fiengold has a solid New Deal Liberal record behind him, and he displays good leadership. Hill, I'm not so sure about. I feel backstabbed by Kerry and Gore is too centrist. While I was more of a Dean/Clark guy in the primarys, my family supported homeboy Edwards, who's alright.
This is the question that annoyed the hell out of everyone yesterday, 'cus I kept posting it, 'cus I'm an ass.
Fiengold/Vilsak (Dems)
v.
McCain/Gulliani (Repubs)
v.
Clark/Powell (Indies)?
Who'd you cast your ballot for?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:31 pm | #
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Sun,
What is so attractive about Bayh? I haven't caught that bug, I guess. I mean, everywhere, I hear "Bayh, Bayh, Bayh." What is it? Enlighten me.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:32 pm | #
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I'd clearly go Dem there. As I said, Feingold's my top choice.
No way the GOP will nominate McCain and Giulianni, the right would rebel. Frankly, I doubt either of them will make it on the ticket.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:33 pm | #
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Kerry needs to man up.
I was a big supporter of the man and I thought he'd be a great president.
Problem is he was such a danm panzy. He needs some balls. When someone goes after your military record like that.
It's go time. Especially when they don't even have one.
And we all know that Bush went after him. He's the head cheese. He calls the shots.
And those stories about Bush, went through K-Dog.
Kerry needed to show he was a man. He didn't. He lost.
Balls for Kerry or just get out of the way.
So 2008- Kerry can Fagettaboutit!!!!!!!
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:34 pm | #
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I'm not a DLC member, but have friends who are.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:34 pm | #
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russ and tom....no brainer,
I know Vilsak having worked for him and know people who worked for the good senator and away from idelogy (sp?) they are two very decent men...as I believe McCain, Powell and Clark are.
Petedal | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:35 pm | #
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Ragnar, I agree that Bayh is a lot of hype. I guess the DLCers have latched onto him, but he's a huge snooze and would get crushed in an election.
The problem with centrists is they don't know how to fight. Give me a Dean or Feingold anyday.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:36 pm | #
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I agree, Anon, Kerry was a wimp. But not for the same reason. Regular bloggers have gotten sick of me bringing it up, but there is over three-hundred-thousand more votes than registered voters. And Kerry didn't do shit about it.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:37 pm | #
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Ragnar, you can actually vote in '08, right? You must be looking forward to that.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:39 pm | #
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In the above situation, my party, the Bullmooses, which I chair, will back the Indie team.
Rock on, brothers!
Gods, I wish McCain had run as an indie.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:40 pm | #
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Yea, man. It's gonna be great. My voice will finnaly count.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:41 pm | #
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My mom's trying to get me active in the Dems. I've given it serious thought, but I think it'd be better to try and make a powerful 3rd party insted of selling out, somewhat.
Vote Bullmoose!
Dispite my Bolshivik leanings, my party isn't a Socialist one. No, it is one of what I have termed a "Blended Ideology." As our slogan says, "We are a blend of Democrat and Republican, Reform and Green, Socialist and Libertarian."
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:44 pm | #
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sku is dead wrong. Remember the last guy the "DLCers" latched on to : BILL CLINTON and he WON!
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:48 pm | #
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Lockheed C-130s:
Lynn Cheney was on there board until 2002.
Lockeeds done prety well for themselves.
Heck they get contracts even though they supply the military with planes that have Cracked Wings.
AH! War Profiteering.
So whats more important?
War Effort?
Or Profit?
"Hey we're in it for the money!"
FOOLS!
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:49 pm | #
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Ahh, another day of freedom. That's the way to start a weekend off right.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:49 pm | #
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Here here, Anon! Money for jobs, not war!
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:50 pm | #
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McCain/Fiengold: Just a campaign reform bill, or a perfect ticket?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:52 pm | #
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My Minnesota prediction:
Kennedy vs Ciresi vs Barkley.
Kennedy 49%
Ciresi 46%
Barkley 5%
Kyle | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:52 pm | #
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Clinton was unique in that he could really connect with voters and was willing to give as well as he got. Most of the DLCers: Gore, Lieberman, Bayh, etc., are just big GOP punching bags. We need a fighter, someone who is proud of what they believe in and not trying to pretend they're Republican.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:55 pm | #
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First of all Bayh comes from a conservative midwest state. No Dem has carried it since LBJ. Bayh has carried it five times. He would carry it again in prez election, plus neighboring and like minded states like Ohio and Missouri. Second, his qualifications, two terms as governor of Indiana (executive experience), and by then ten years as a US Senator, with national experience. Rarely does a candidate have both those qualities. Thirdly, he is young (relatively), good looking, family man, no hint of scandal. He is telegenic, although perhaps not as charasmatic as some would prefer. But he is a quality individual. Finally, He knows politics, as he grew up in it, being the son of Sen. Birch Bayh.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:55 pm | #
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Ragnar, hate to break it to you, but I don't know that what this world needs is another left wing third party.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:56 pm | #
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Minnesota has a cool group of Political parties. Christian Freedom, Democratic-Farmer-Labor, the New Party, New Union, and Independance.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:57 pm | #
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I agree, Senator Bayh would be very strong. I hope the GOP finds someone great in 2008, or I would consider voting for Bayh for President IF (and thats a HUGE if) he wins the dem nod.
Kyle | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:58 pm | #
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And I dont want to vote for a democrat for President for the first time I will get to vote for President!
Kyle | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:59 pm | #
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The Republicans can hardly turn him into a punching. Hell, on many issues he is as conservative as they are. They can just ask the Indiana GOP how to beat Bayh!
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 12:59 pm | #
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Great, that's what we want, a Democrat as conservative as a Republican...why not just nominate a real Republican and give up the charade.
Kyle, what GOPer would you vote for Bayh against?
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:02 pm | #
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Not quite left wing.
Democrat: Peace internationally, fiscal management.
Republican: Anti-tax, pro-small business.
Reform: Washington insiders, barring a few reform-minded congresspeople, are leading us to hell in a handbasket.
Green: Strong enviromental policy.
Progressive Libertarian: Less government, pro-indevidualism, worker-controled free market, the only duty of the government is to protect the rights of indeviduals and workers.
Socialist: STRONG pro-worker sentiment, support Socialist economies, Democratic Workers Rights.
Okay, pretty left wing, but, with a simple anti-tax and pro-indevidual sentiment, we may be able to win some midwesterers over.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:04 pm | #
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Its Bayh pro abortion?
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:06 pm | #
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Because, if we nominate ANOTHER left wing liberal we will lose again. America is a middle of the road, maybe slightly to the right country. The nation as a whole is not going to elect a left wing liberal. It is better to elect a guy you agree with 60-65% of the time, than a guy like Bush that you agree with 5%.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:06 pm | #
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Oh, there are a few. I think Rudy is far over rated and I dont think hes proven himself to be able to become President. Governor Owen is talked about running, I wont vote for him. Some sources say Senator Smith may run, no ways hes getting my vote. There are a few others that might run, but I cant think of them right now.
Kyle | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:07 pm | #
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Ya know, despite my devoute Omnitheism, I've got an incling to vote for Thomas J. Harrens and the Christian Freedom Party.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:07 pm | #
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Bayh voted for the "partial birth" abortion ban.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:08 pm | #
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I like Ike. He was more moderate/left, like the best blood of the GOP.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:09 pm | #
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Sunlover, who are these liberals? Was it pro-war, pro-free trade, anti-gay marriage Kerry or Gore or Clinton? The last liberal the Dems nominated was George McGovern. Now, granted, he got creamed, but that was a long time ago.
I'm tired of the Dems nominating wishy washy moderates and then trying to blame the liberals when they lose. You want a liberal...nominate Dean or Feingold.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:10 pm | #
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I think Bayh could be a sheep in wolfs clothing.
Especially with his vote against Rice.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:10 pm | #
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How does Bayh feel on gay marrage and gun control?
And, while we're asking...
Economic issues?
International issues?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:10 pm | #
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sku you think John Kerry was a moderate.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:11 pm | #
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SKU is right, you guys should pick Dean or Feingold or D. K. or someone for 2008 ;)
Kyle | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:11 pm | #
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Liberals like Dean or Fiengold, yes, or Progressives like Kucenich, Lee, Sharpton, or Braun.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:12 pm | #
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Liberal Media, Bayh position on abortion is difficult to define. He has always voted to ban partial birth abortions, and as Governor's suported certian restrions such as child notification laws, but he claims that he would not support a constitutional amendment banning it, though it has not been voted on in 20 years.
THE MODERATE | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:13 pm | #
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Sku, need I remind you of Walter F. Mondale and Michael S. Dukakis??
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:13 pm | #
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Oh yes please pick Sharpton
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:13 pm | #
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Kerry was, no matter how much Bush called Kerry a Socialist and how much Fox said he wanted the USSA. Fiscally moderate, pro-choice but anti-gay marrage, supporting the Iraq war.
Dean, Clark, Kucenich, Sharpton, Fiengold, Vilsak, Braun...The Best Choices.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:14 pm | #
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LMW, Kerry was no liberal, that's for sure. He voted for welfare reform, the war in Iraq and every free trade agreement. He came out against gay marriage. Rather than wanting to defund the Iraq war, he wanted to add more military.
I don't see how you can call someone a liberal who takes those positions.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:14 pm | #
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And Kerry IS Liberal, nothing wrong with that, but it is something the gop will bury you with.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:15 pm | #
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Bayh as governor signed the DOMA into law in Indiana but other than that he has not said much on Gay Marriage, as far as gun control as Governor he was NRA supported but in his Senate races they have been neutral.
THE MODERATE | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:15 pm | #
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Sharpton and Braun are never going to get picked. I'm just saying they'd make good presidents.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:16 pm | #
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Carter, Clinton, and Gore were all moderates and they won (Gore technically)
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:16 pm | #
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Sunlover, I give you Mondale. Dukakis was the beginning of the Dems move to the technocratic right...he wanted to fiddle with policy rather than make the kinds of changes that would really help people. He had some liberal social positions, but he was very fiscally moderate.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:17 pm | #
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Kerry did too, but I won't harp on that today.
Mom's sick. She got this savage stomich bug that's been tearing around town.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:18 pm | #
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Dems...
Nominate Mike Halpin. The ultimate outsider. Ran as an indie in 2004, stands strong on liberal issues (except for abortion, which he is centrist about) and won't be considered "just another insider."
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:20 pm | #
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Braun was a disaster as senator, and Sharpton is nothing more than a street hustler.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:20 pm | #
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Sunlover- Looks like you bought the GOP talking points on Kerry.
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:21 pm | #
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Here is one liberal score card that gives Bayh an overall 78% score on his voting record...not as conseratives as Deaniacs would have you believe.
http://www.voterpunch.org/members.jsp
His Iraq vote pulled his score down and he got an 80 % on issues surrounding reproductive rights.
Late term abortion is a conserative red herring (don't call it partial birth, it just validates the conserative view).
I had a conversation with a nationally known OBGYN / abortion provider and he says NOBODY performs late term abortions "on damand" and only if their are life threatening issues.
Full of Bushit | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:22 pm | #
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Don't get me wrong, I campaigned for Mondale, and voted for Dukakis, and that is because I'm a loyal D. most Americans felt they were too far to the left.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:24 pm | #
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"I had a conversation with a nationally known OBGYN / abortion provider and he says NOBODY performs late term abortions "on damand" and only if their are life threatening issues."
Exactly...You never see a woman carry a fetus for 8 months and then say, "You know...I don't want this child. I need an abortion."
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:25 pm | #
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From Halpin's interview on Real Clear Politics.
RCP: What are your priority campaign issues?
Halpin: A) I would use the bully pulpit of the presidency to encourage American corporations to make their products in the U.S.A. It is about time that we had our people working in production jobs that had decent wages, profit sharing, medical benefits, and pensions. The only jobs left in America shouldn't be at McDonalds and Walmart.
B) Universal Healthcare for all of our citizens. It is a national shame
that one person in the richest country on earth should die because he or she cannot
receive decent medical services.
C) The Federal Budget must be balanced by law. If the states have to balance their budgets, it is beyond me why the national government doesn't have to do
the same.
D) The military budget should be cut in half. In the year 2000, United States military spending was twice that of all the European nations combined. Former president and World War II Allied commander Dwight Eisenhower warned the people to beware of the "military industrial complex."
As you can see, I do discuss some topics that our corporate backed presidential candidates do not even think about. Once again thanks for the free space on your site. The "little campaign that could" just might make a little bit of noise if our citizens care to listen. In the last presidential campaign, Bill Bradley said, "One person with courage is a majority." I really do believe that.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:26 pm | #
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Sunlover, I don't think Mondale and Dukakis lost on ideology.
Mondale was a horrible campaigner (always has been) running against the most popular incumbent to seek reelection since FDR.
Dukakis made Mondale look like Mr. Charisma and did nothing to defend his positions.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:26 pm | #
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vas nu?
Daniel | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:27 pm | #
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I didn't buy them the American voters did. I voted for Kerry. But W should never have been re-elected. We nominated the wrong guy. Although I must say Dean would have done worse.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:27 pm | #
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Ghost...not only your point, but no Doctor would ever perform this procedure with out a poerful medical reason
Full of Bushit | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:27 pm | #
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To the GOP, anyone to the left of them will be deemed a "liberal".
You could've ran Zell Miller as President. They would have called him a "liberal" too.
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:27 pm | #
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5) What American values do you cherish most?
Halpin: Most Americans are kind and compassionate human beings. We really do care about the condition of our neighbors. I do think that our leaders should encourage those that have an abundance of wealth to share more of their good
fortune with those on the bottom of the economic ladder.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:29 pm | #
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LOL...Some of you Democrats still can't get over the fact that Bush was re-elected.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:29 pm | #
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I guess kerry's problem was that he was liberal to a liberal audience, moderate to a moderate one. Like to the environmentalists, he didn't have an SUV, but to Detroit auto workers, his family had one.
The next dem canidate needs to pick a position and stay with it and not try to be all things to all people. Maybe Dean can give them a backbone, but as DNC chair, he will hurt canidates in "red states" if he goes on the campaign trail. He may better serve democrats by fighting in the background, but that seems to be against Dean's makeup.
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:29 pm | #
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Clinton may have been helped in 1992 by the Perot candidacy, and floated along for '96 by silicon valley boom, so don't you Dems get too excited about continuing to pick whomever the DLC likes. If the GOP picks a righty-tighty, and the Dems go centrist, the Dems could still win "ought eight" but only with the help of moderate swing voters, as their progressive base may bolt outright. If the GOP goes centrist too, the "Miller Lite vs. Bud Light" (i.e., shwag vs. schwag)-type contest will certainly drive lefties away from the donkey.
joe | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:29 pm | #
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Bayh/Feingold
Daniel | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:29 pm | #
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Dukakis lost because Bush Sr. made him look soft on crime and national defense. Plus, the tax issue. Dukakis was much better than Mondale, however.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:30 pm | #
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A.J. Albritton (American Republican Party-Mississippi) *
Sterling Allan (Providential Party-Utah) *
Lawson M. Bone (I-Tennessee) *
Kenneth M. Bonnell (I-Mississippi) *
Robert A. Boyle II (I-Maryland) *
Harry Braun (I-Arizona) *
Theodis "Ted" Brown Sr. (I-Missouri) *
Fred Cook (I-Georgia) *
Eric J. Davis (Michigan) *
Robert DiGiulio (Children's Party-Vermont) *
Bob Dorn (Washington) *
Lonnie D. Frank (I-California) *
Ronald "John Galt Jr." Gascon (I-Pensylvania) *
Jack Grimes (United Fascist Union-Pennsylvania) *
Michael Halpin (I-New York) *
Larry D. Hines (I-Texas) *
Georgia Hough (I-Georgia) *
Keith Judd (I-Massachusetts) *
Darren E. Karr (Party X-Oregon) *
Samuel Keegan (I-Rhode Island) *
John Joseph Kennedy (I-Georgia) *
Joseph Martyniuk Jr. (I-Illinois) *
David Mevis (I-Mississippi) *
Muadin (E-Democratic Party-Massachusetts) *
Jeffrey Peters (We The People Party-New Hampshire)
Andrew M. Rotramel (I-Texas) *
Joseph "Average Joe" Schriner (I-Ohio) *
Dennis P. Slatton (United America Party-North Carolina) *
Dan Snow (I-Texas) *
Brian B. Springfield (I-Virginia) *
Diane Templin (American Party-California) *
Lawrence Rey Topham (I-Utah) *
Lemuel Tucker (I-Michigan) *
Da Vid (Light Party-California) *
Tom Wells (Family Values Party-Florida) *
A.J. Wildman (I-Virginia) *
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:30 pm | #
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Sorry, mispost.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:31 pm | #
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Sunlover-
Who would've done a better job?
See, I believe that it wasn't that Kerry was liberal. I believe that he didn't have a good, solid message that the American public could digest. He reacted to the GOP and Bush and did not go on the offensive.
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:31 pm | #
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Hallelujah!, brothers and sisters, I have GOOD NEWS to share with you all this blessèd day:
The Final Official 2004 Presidential Results, are now, Heaven be praised!, available from the Federal Election Commission, for all 50 states, the District of Columbia, all 17 FEC-registered candidates, write-ins and (in Nevada only) "none of the above".
(This year's version is in a PDF table that, with a little adjustment to account for blank lines, you can copy and paste onto your spreadsheet column-by-column and manipulate to meet your own needs.)
Besides the FEC site linked above, you can also find a copy at the "Homepage" next to my name below, in the "Files" section, if you join the [free, no-strings] Group. (I would make the Files section open like the other sections to the unregistered public if I could, but Yahoo! won't let me.)
I've started an MS Excel spreadsheet from these data with percentages, rankings, etc., which I plan to upload to the same place soon. In the meantime, you can get a semi-finished copy by writing to me at the "Email" link below.
(If you have a different spreadsheet from Excel, I'll see what conversions I can make to MS Works, MS table, QuattroPro, etc., or else refer you to the free Excel reader available at the Microsoft Office Update site.)
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:32 pm | #
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Dean will begin to show his true colors very soon and I can't wait.
The guy is a bomb waiting to go off.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:32 pm | #
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Howard Dean needs to be accompanied by the theme music from the show, "24."
tick, tick, tick, tick..........................
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:33 pm | #
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Sure, the gop will call any Dem a liberal, its just wether the label sticks is what matters.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:33 pm | #
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Sup Zef, sup Dave. Thanks for the link.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:34 pm | #
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"LOL...Some of you Democrats still can't get over the fact that Bush was re-elected."
Dude, I'm over it. I'm already doing things to help the Democratic Party in VA.
What do you think of Jeff Gannon? How did he get a press pass to the White House when he wasn't a real reporter. How about watching the Conservative Media too? Although, he might not count because he worked for a fake news organization.
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:35 pm | #
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Dean's already displayed his true colors, and (drum roll) they are:
Red, White, and Blue.
You want a bomb to go off, you get me on that tv. I'll make Dean look like Lamb Chop.
joe | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:35 pm | #
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Zef, have you ever been active in the Libertarians?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:36 pm | #
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Bayh is not as conservative as he is made out to be. He's prolly mod to lib, as is Joe Lieberman. And no one cares that he voted against Rice (even in Indiana) except for political junkie Republicans. Her AR according to Rasmussen was only in the high 40's. So be outraged all you want, that wont't translate to the general public being outraged.
And who said Giuliani isnbt qualified. That's a pretty dumb statement. He was mayor of a city with a larger population than 40 states, so that puts him right on par with most governors. Plus, he saved NYC twice, first from economic and social despair, and second from evil terrorists
Giuliani's got my vote in 2008. Even if he did marry his first cousin
Moderate Mark | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:36 pm | #
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Full of one former Senator from New York called the procedure infanticide.
THE MODERATE | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:36 pm | #
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"Sure, the gop will call any Dem a liberal, its just wether the label sticks is what matters."
That's the point...it always does and it doesn't matter who we nominate.
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:37 pm | #
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Thats right, as Carville and Begala proved, you got to have a good game plan. Kerry, like Dukakis, had a bad campaign team. No direction, always on defense. They hit you, you hit back, thats what Carville taught us.
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:38 pm | #
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I don't know everything there is to know about this Gannon story, and I really don't care all that much.
However, from what I read today in an AP piece, he did receive clearance based on his real name, not a fake name as Ron claims.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:39 pm | #
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Joe Liberman isn't mod to lib. He's more center, with dashes of right and left for flavor.
Scot (newsblog88) supports Gore/Easley (NC) in 2008. I like Edwards/Easley myself. (NC/NC all the way!)
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:39 pm | #
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Bayh is a moderate-to-liberal
Daniel | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:40 pm | #
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Joe is moderate to liberal as well
Daniel | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:40 pm | #
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Just a couple quick comments. . .
1. We should not hold Bayh's flexibility on the abortion issue against him. The party needs voices that are not rigidly unwielding on this issue.
2. An Al Sharpton presidency would be a complete and utter catastrophe.
3. Walter F. Mondale is a great American who would have been a terrific president, and I believe that if he had run in 1988 instead of 1984 he would have been able to beat G.H.W. Bush.
Practical Progressive | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:42 pm | #
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A lot of people are talking up Bayh, but the way the people at the Daily Kos afre eating their young (meaning any moderate dem), I doubt he'd survive a primary.
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:43 pm | #
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It makes their job easier if there is a colonel of truth. NO ONE FROM MASSACHUSETTS SHOULD EVER BE THE DEM NOMINEE!
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:43 pm | #
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Zef, if you don't mind me asking, what is your political history? What movements were you involved in, what parties, what campaigns, what issues...
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:44 pm | #
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Just look at Bayh's and Lieberman's overall voting record. I have their National Journal numbers for 2002 here
Bayh
Econ 61% Lib 37% Cons
Soc 60% Lib 36% Cons
For 51% Lib 43% Cons
Lieberman
Econ 71% Lib 27% Cons
Soc 70% Lib 20% Cons
For 51% Lib 43% Cons
Both seem pretty mod to lib to me
Moderate Mark | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:45 pm | #
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I'm not saying a Sharpton canidicy, but Al in the White House, no strings attached. I feel that a progressive like the good revrend would give America the boost it needs.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:46 pm | #
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Where did you get those stats? How did you get those stats? What is considered Liberal? What is considered Conservitive?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:47 pm | #
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Rags, I don't mind. I've never actively participated in anyone's campaign, but also haven't missed a vote since I my first election. I've voted both parties just about 50/50 through my voting life. In some parts of the country I'd be considered liberal, but here in NYC, I'm either a conservative dem, or northeastern republican.
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:47 pm | #
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"I don't know everything there is to know about this Gannon story, and I really don't care all that much."
Corey-
Be honest. If this were a liberal reporter, you would be all over it. The fact that a person with an alias comes in and sits 10 feet from the President and no one knows who he really is...scares me.
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:47 pm | #
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Actually, now that I think about it, Giuliani marrying his cousin might help him in the South. After all, isnt it traditional?
Moderate Mark | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:48 pm | #
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A progressive that isn't a charlatan and a demagogue? I absolutely agree.
Practical Progressive | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:49 pm | #
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I am just saying is that he did have a background check done under his real name.
Ron's post is inaccurate.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:49 pm | #
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"1. We should not hold Bayh's flexibility on the abortion issue against him. The party needs voices that are not rigidly unwielding on this issue. "
I agree and as someone pointed out the Daily Kos can destroy any moderate. Which is sad because I believe someone like Bayh or Mark Warner would have a lot to offer to this country.
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:49 pm | #
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"I am just saying is that he did have a background check done under his real name.
Ron's post is inaccurate."
Do you always argue semantics when your party gets caught with its pants down?
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:50 pm | #
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Giuliani has had a couple more wives since his first one. I do not know if they were first cousins or not.
Nonethless, we have had a cousin marry-er from New York in the White House before.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:50 pm | #
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From what I've picked up, I'd say "Nor'East GOP," but that's just me again.
So, who're you backing in '08? May I recomend the '04 canidate for Libertarian nomination, Don Gorman?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:50 pm | #
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be back in 20 minutes..
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:51 pm | #
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Ragnar, Easley and Edwards are not allowed to run it gather, but even if they could they do not get along all that well, Easley could be a dark horse to watch if he gets in, but as of now I do not think he will.
THE MODERATE | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:52 pm | #
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Well you must be very proud of yourself.
The Honorable Rob Simmons | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:52 pm | #
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Man, a Sharpton presidency... I'm scared. Granted, he's become a little more reasonable over the years, but do a google search on him through the 80's and 90's. He's crazy. Anyone remember Tawana Brawley
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:53 pm | #
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ModMark, there you go agian, dissing the south. Get over your hate, we'll get over ours.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:53 pm | #
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That is true. Matter of fact, Eleanor Roosevelt's maiden name was Roosevelt. But I think they were 3rd or 4th cousins. (TR said it would strengthen the family)
I dont believe any of Rudy's subsequent wives were of blood relation. I don't know what's more disturbing, the fact that he married his cousin, or the fact they got a divorce.
Moderate Mark | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:54 pm | #
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Easley and Edwards are not allowed to run it gather
What? I assume you mean "run togeather," so, why can't they?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:54 pm | #
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The Daily Kos is emblematic of what is wrong with the party's current ideological trend. Anyone who does not completely subscribe to the "prevailing" liberal orthodoxy on economic and social issues must be destroyed and discredited.
I am an ideological person, but I'm also practical and recognize that moderation can be a good thing, despite what Barry Goldwater might say.
Unfortunately, I can't find many differences between Daily Kos types and those who distort and spew on Newsmax.com. Its just too harsh and it turns people off. Its part of the reason we lost the election.
Practical Progressive | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:55 pm | #
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The President and Vice President can not come from the same state.
THE MODERATE | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:56 pm | #
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In those big huge Italian families in Brooklyn, Rudy probably had 109 cousins. So, he married one, I guess.
Contrast that to me, as I have only have 1 first cousin. And no, he is not my stalker, as my stalker claims to be.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:56 pm | #
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Lighten up Rags, I was joking. Don't take yourself so seriously, you'll live longer.
As to your previous question about National Journal, they have a website, as well as political almanacs that will tell you voting records. I believe they get their percentages by looking at what side of every vote they voted (i.e., a vote for Iraq war would be Cons, a vote against would be Lib)
Moderate Mark | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:57 pm | #
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The President and Vice President can be from the same state. They just would be ineligble to win that state's electoral votes.
To me, its a stupid law. If they want to be from the same state, so what. Leave it up to the people to vote for them or not vote for them, if it is bothersome.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:58 pm | #
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Tawana Brawley...She was the young African-American girl that got knocked up on Prom Night and blaimed it on the white guys so she wouldn't get in trouble, right? Al and Jesse were out there hootin' and holleran' about it. But can you blaim them at the time? Anyway, while Jackson has become more right-wing and racist, Sharpton has been improving.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 1:58 pm | #
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Sharpton is unserious and immature, and he is completely unqualified to be President.
Practical Progressive | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:00 pm | #
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I believe it was Rudy's 2nd or 3rd cousin he married. But don't quote me on that, I don't want to give false info.
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:00 pm | #
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Not so ‘Free Republic’: The Shot Heard Around the Net
Members and readers of Free Republic would be surprised to know that many members of their community have fallen silent on the discussions about illegal immigration lately because free speech is an illusion on FR.com. They are silent because they have been banned from the Web site without warning, cause, or explanation in most cases. For weeks the moderators have been suspending and banning new members that chimed in quickly on the immigration debates.
http://www.theconservativevoice....hp?
storyid=2872
Hmmmmmmmmm | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:01 pm | #
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man, i just found a nice mccartney tribute to lennon
Daniel | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:01 pm | #
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Al Sharpton has no chance of ever being nominated. Quit drooling GOP
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:01 pm | #
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So when are we going to N.Korea...They really Do have WMD's..
Hmmmmmmmmm | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:02 pm | #
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What? The Prez/VP can't be from the same state? That sucks.
Edward as a vibrent moderate-leftists, and Easley as a pro-education fiscal moderate. A winning combonation.
Ballintine (His Neo-Con Continder) was a fool. Easley was honest about rasing taxes to support education, his strong suit. He's spent more on Edu. than any previous governer. And Ballintine not only wants to cut taxes but spend more on education than Easley did! How, I ask you?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:03 pm | #
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And I don't hate the South. I never said I did once. As a matter of fact, most Southerners I've met (albeit not that many) are honest, friendly, and non-pretentious. At least that was my impression from my 2 weeks in Texas.
My problem is our national politics and government being shaped b/c of the South.
Moderate Mark | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:05 pm | #
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Hmm, I don't think I've asked you yet...
What are your views?*
Where are you from?
What is your religion?
*: I can guess your conservitive from the above post.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:06 pm | #
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Bush is
a) Not from the South, and
b) an embarssment.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:07 pm | #
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I totally agree, LK, Sharpton doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:07 pm | #
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The Bushes have a gigantic mansion in Maine. You can't get within 1/4 of mile of the Bush estate.
Moderate Mark | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:08 pm | #
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Al Sharpton is an entertainer more than anything. He's be a good stand-up comedian, but president?
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:10 pm | #
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Corey: what do you think about my thoughts that
Ill-3 could be in play for the repubs...if they run the right nominee?
Petedal | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:10 pm | #
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Adios folks, gotta run! GoodBAYH!
Sunlover1 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:12 pm | #
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"Al and Jesse were out there hootin' and holleran' about it. But can you blaim them at the time?"
Hell ya, I'll blame them. They were the last one's to admit she lied (it took her owning up to it before they did), they ruined people's lives over it, and generally looked like fools to everyone in NY. But much like this city, its collective memory is about 10 minutes, and they went about their business like nothing had happened
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:13 pm | #
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Its kind of disturbing that Al Franken, who used to host "Weekend Update" on SNL, late had a "real" talk show, and now is seriously considered for the US Senate.
Fiction becoming real.
What next?
Jon Stewart for Secy of State?
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:13 pm | #
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Petedal,
As much as I would like to see it happen, I do not think that it is going to be possible for a Republican to beat Lip Jr.
He certainly did get the job in a very underhanded and sleazy way and there has been some talk about primary challengers and even a serious Republican opponent in Cook County Commissioner Anthony Peraica. However, I just do not see how the machine that got Lipinksi Jr. elected can be defeated.
Having said all this, Dan Lipinksi is my favorite Democrat in all of Washington, DC.
1. He is a political science expert
2. Despite being a South Sider, he admits to being a Cubs fan
3. He is a Pro-Life, social conservative who claims that Ronald Reagan is his idol
4. Despite being one of the homeliest looking men you will ever find, he somehow managed
to get married to a woman who is a solid 5.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:14 pm | #
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Rags, were you asking me for my views on the above post?
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:14 pm | #
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"So when are we going to N.Korea...They really Do have WMD's.."
Yeah and they have a dictator on top of it...when will we invade?
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:14 pm | #
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Stewart would make a great candidate but he would never run for President because then they would say the Jews control everything!
Daniel | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:15 pm | #
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Ghost,
I guess the answer to that is when the South Koreans and Japanese don't mind losing a few million civilians.
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:16 pm | #
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"Its kind of disturbing that Al Franken, who used to host "Weekend Update" on SNL, late had a "real" talk show, and now is seriously considered for the US Senate.
Fiction becoming real.
What next?
Jon Stewart for Secy of State?"
Or an action star for Governor or a "professional" wrestler for Governor or a "B-movie" star for President...who would think of such things?
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:16 pm | #
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And Jon Stewart was born in Cananda wasn't he?
You don't see Rush Limbaugh running for any thing--
but the line between entertainmenters and political candidates is deteriorating on the left.
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:18 pm | #
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Or an action star for Governor or a "professional" wrestler for Governor or a "B-movie" star for President...who would think of such things?
True, but Reagan didn't get famous playing the President, and Arnold didn't get famous for playing a govenor on TV.
But Franken played a newscaster in a FAKE news show.
Now he really IS a talk show host.
And I'm not going to mention Micheal Moore becoming a power on the left.
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:21 pm | #
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Ragnar, I do not support Gore-Easley for the Democratic ticket in 2008. My News88 Team has endorsed New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson with Indiana Senator Evan Bayh and we all voted on that by a 17-13 vote. We will endorse a Republican ticket later this year, in or by July 2005.
The Gore-Easley was merely one of my personal suggestions, but i would much rather think that Gore would come back and choose Evan Bayh , and Easley is my second choice, but though he is now my third choice as i believe Virginia Governor Mark Warner would be a much better Governor and plus he has ventured nationally in chairing the Southern Governors Association and National Governors Association, while Easley has not even left his homestate fora profile. That could change in his second term maybe though, because he will have solidified his incumbency, but i rate Easley more as a possible candidate for the Senate either against Elizabeth Dole in 2008, or more notably better, Burr in 2010.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:22 pm | #
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I don't think Gore of
Hillery will be nominated in 2008, but they will probably run.
I think the dems will nominate Barbara boxer.
And lose big time.
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:24 pm | #
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Potential Bullmoose Nominies for The White House:
John Galt Jr (Ron Gascon)
Mike Halpin
Kieth Judd
Darren Karr
John Joseph Kennedy
Joe Martyniuk Jr.
David Mevis
Maudin
Jeff Peters
Andrew Rotramel
Dan Snow
Da Vid
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:24 pm | #
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By the way folks, Keep voting in my 2008 Republican Primary Choice Poll that i opened February 6th and will close March 5th.
http://news88.blogspot.com
between the World Net Daily and Buzzflash headlines scroll down thepage.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:24 pm | #
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fpotusahuss20321979-Scot
After hearing what the left wing of the dem party has said about Lieberman, I don't think a moderate dem will make it through the primaries. I wish you were righjt, but I'm afraid the minority is talking for the democratic party now.
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:25 pm | #
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Ahh. Sorry for the misunderstanding, Scot.
No, Zef, I was asking Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what his/her views are.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:27 pm | #
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I say Martin Sheen for Dem Nod.
Mel Gibson for Repub.
Sarah Michelle Geller for Secy of Defense.
And that guy who played Comm. Riker in Star Trek (he s a Repub you know) for VP
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:27 pm | #
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Mel Gibson would not be eligble to be President.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:28 pm | #
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Zef-
If Barbrara Boxer gets the 2008 Dem nod, would you vote for her?
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:28 pm | #
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For some reason, I just cannot get Chuck Hagel and Mitt Romeny outof thelead.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:28 pm | #
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Zef, as I understand it, you're a Christian, New York Libertarian, right?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:28 pm | #
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Hagel's good. I voted for Gulliani.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:29 pm | #
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Mel Gibson would not be eligble to be President.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:28 pm | #
Actually he was born in New York, and moved to Austalia when he was three.
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:29 pm | #
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Water workers in Northern Ireland hold industrial action
On February 9, some 2,000 water workers in Northern Ireland held a one-day strike to oppose planned reforms to the service that could result in up to 700 job cuts and the introduction of water rate charges.
As part of the stoppage, workers also held public rallies in Belfast and Derry. The strike was called by four unions whose members voted by a majority for industrial action, following a breakdown in talks with the British government.
Unions said that further industrial action would follow if the dispute was not resolved, including a work to rule.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:31 pm | #
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but the line between entertainmenters and political candidates is deteriorating on the left.
Dudeman...Arnold Schwartzenegger, Ronald Reagan, George Murhpy, Sonny Bono, Clint Eastwood, Fred Grandee. Most entertainers run as Republicans.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:31 pm | #
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Dudeman, not a chance in hell I'd vote for Boxer, I'm pretty moderate in my views, and she is not.
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:31 pm | #
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I like Guiliani too, but don't know if I will vote for him in the primaries.
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dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:31 pm | #
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HRC=goodbye democratic party
Daniel | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:31 pm | #
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Wow, I wish Boxer could get the nomination. No dice, though.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:31 pm | #
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French power workers protest attack on health insurance
On February 8 the Eléctricitée de France (EDF) and Gaz de France (GDF) power workers struck against changes to their health assurance scheme. Workers fear that the companies involved in the scheme are to be opened up for privatisation.
Fees for the scheme are to be raised in order that the companies present a more investor-attractive balance sheet when they are floated on the stock market. The GDF and the nuclear group Areva are to be floated in summer and the EDF at the end of the year.
Further industrial action is to take place over the coming weeks.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:32 pm | #
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Actually for anyone that does not believe Al Gore is the only one that will unite both wings of the Democratic Party, check out this website and click on 2008 strategy.
It was started by a fellow young Democrat like myself from Tennessee named Chris D Jackson.
He really believes that because, in his 2008 strategy, he writes that almost every liberal or centrist figure in the Democrats for 2008 istoo highly low name, highly controversial, or will not unite both wings of the Democratic Party, EXCEPT GORE.
Gore can only be the one to do that in his opinion, because Gore has been a longtime founding member of the DLC, but in recent years has pumped up his "liberal street cred" with places like Moveon and may be the only one that can unite both wings of thedemocrats in 2008.
His 2nd best democrat is Evan Bayh, who can join the ticket as Veep and appeal to swing voters, and that evangelicals maybe unlikely to turn out DEFINITELY NOT FOR GORE but also not AGAINST GORE, because they wont see Gore as the figure like Kerry, Dean, orHillary being.
Gore-Bayh is theonly way to go for 2008.
http://
www.algoresupportcenter.o...08strategy.html
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:33 pm | #
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What happened to dudeman?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:33 pm | #
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Its funny, Rudy holds very similar views to my own, pro-gay rights, pro-choice. He cleaned up NYC (the last year of Dinkens' disasterous reign we had about 3000 murders, now we're down to a couple hundred), but I still don't know how I feel about him for president. Also, he might not win NY in an election if you can believe that
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:34 pm | #
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Dudeman...Arnold Schwartzenegger, Ronald Reagan, George Murhpy, Sonny Bono, Clint Eastwood, Fred Grandee. Most entertainers run as Republicans.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:31 pm | #
They the GOP is a minority in Hollywood, despite the fact that many "Old School" actors were/are Conservatives.
What I'm saying is you have people like Jon stewart, Al Franken and Mike Moore-- and you can't really understand on what side they're on when they do their thing-- is it entertainment? politics?
At least Reagan and Arnold made a clean break.
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:34 pm | #
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Corey, vote in my web poll for i know your a Republican.
Who do you like best, only pick 1, that is your favorite?
Rudy Giuliani
Tom Ridge
George Pataki
Bill Owens
Chuck Hagel
Bill Frist
Mitt Romney
Jeb Bush
Norm Coleman
George Allen
Come on folks, vote for your favorite out of atleast them ten inmy poll.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:35 pm | #
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Zef,
What would you predict would happen in a Giuliani vs. Spitzer Gubernatorial election?
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:35 pm | #
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What happened to dudeman?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:33 pm | #
It not me that has the problem-- its internet explorer.
Bill Gates Sucks.
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:36 pm | #
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fpot, I think there is actually some merit to the Gore theory...we'll see what he does.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:37 pm | #
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I really think the best Republican ticket for 2008 is Hagel-Frist. They could do what ifeel about Gore and Bayh on the Republican side. Unite the moderate and conservative bases.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:37 pm | #
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My idea...(or, really, Trotsky's idea)...
A single party democrocy. There is a single, central, neutral commitee that will mediate, while caucus leaders act as 3rd partiers. This would provide some stability to the whole system, and a since of unity.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:37 pm | #
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Jeb Bush
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:37 pm | #
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Well, I like Guiliani, but hes only going to win if he de-emphasizes abortion( backing the PBA ban, leting states decide etc) and gay rights ( opposition to marriege "live and let live")
And lets not forget that one of the ways he cleaned up NYC was getting tough on the Sex shops-
Was it not Zef?
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:38 pm | #
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Ragnar, you are a wacky, wacky kid.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:39 pm | #
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I think Spitzer would win which scares me. The last thing NY needs is an anti business gov, we have enough trouble with companies running across to NJ because the taxes are so high here or the threat of terrorism. But I shouldn't discount Guiliani the campaigner, he'd probably lose the city(excpet Staten island) but could do very well in Long Island, and upstate NY
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:39 pm | #
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YES!!! Internet Explorer is the root of all that is wrong in this world!
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:40 pm | #
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My idea...(or, really, Trotsky's idea)...
A single party democrocy. There is a single, central, neutral commitee that will mediate, while caucus leaders act as 3rd partiers. This would provide some stability to the whole system, and a since of unity.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:37 pm | #
You see now why conservatives fear socialism.
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:40 pm | #
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Rev. Al Sharpton is getting roasted in The Village Voice which did several exposés of him.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:40 pm | #
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YES (Again)!!! I'm NUTS!
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:41 pm | #
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What's up with the NY mayor's race? Who's running? Who will win?
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:41 pm | #
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Dudeman, his emphasis on law enforcement had a lot more to do than cleaning up the sex shops. He hired thousands more cops and took the leash off them and let them do their jobs (some libs would say he let the leash off too much) The prostitutes just moved to different neighborhoods, one's that are more residential.
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:41 pm | #
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Oops,that should be
http://
www.algoresupportcenter.c...08strategy.html
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:42 pm | #
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I certainly would not bet against Mike Bloomberg winning reelection in NYC.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:42 pm | #
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fpotus,
What Easely is going to do in 2008 is anybodies guess. I can tell you he could very well be a formidable candidate if he runs. He is an excellent fundraiser he has several prominant Republicans who backed him in this electon he received aobut 20% of the statses GOP voters. He runs an agressive campaign, but he is somewhat conservative on issues, pro business, law and order, big time pro death penalty man, yet also has a populist streak in him. He receives the kind of votes, white southernors that Democrats need, his relatoinship with the black community has been shakey at times but they have supported him.
As for 2008 I doubt he would run against Dole, but their are rumors Dole may not run, he could wait and run against Burr in 2010, but he may retire from office too.
THE MODERATE | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:42 pm | #
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Yea, all that "unity" and "friendship" might make us change our minds 'bout them queers! Aguahuck! Now lets get hammered on Busch, rid out into the woods in a Ford, shoot a big game animal, and eat it!
Fuck yea...
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:42 pm | #
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I know there was more to it Zef, but he could use that aspect with the s
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:43 pm | #
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Man, IE's really killing Dude today.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:44 pm | #
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Goddamit!
Zef could use his record with the sex industry to win over social conservatives and counter balance his pro-choice and pro-gay views.
BTW- Why is it that Staten Island is so Republican?
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:44 pm | #
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I know it's impossible, but...
Edwards/Easley vs. Dole/Ballintine!
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:45 pm | #
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Yea, all that "unity" and "friendship"
An over emphases on "Natianl unity" and solidarity can be used as a cover for suppresion of dissenting views.
As it was in Fscist Italy and Nazi Germany.
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:46 pm | #
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Ragnar,
Have you ever considered the benefits of sitting silenty and alone with your own thoughts for a few hours each day?
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:46 pm | #
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Actually, I don't want Easley to run. Just as an NC guy, you gotta back 'em sometimes, for the sake of the team.
Al/Mike or John/Evan looks like the Dem powerteams, and I'll be voting Socialist Equality, unless we nominate a canidate.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:48 pm | #
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ACtually if you all prefer not to vote in my poll butwould like to seethe results, Go here.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:48 pm | #
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Ragnar
If Bush is not from the south, just exactly where is he from?
The Bishop | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:49 pm | #
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dude, not a bad point about winning over the social conservatives, but they will hammer him on his more liberal views. I doubt he'd be able to pull it off.
Staten Island is a strange place, smells bad too (Fresh Kills landfill) My guess is that its filled with alot of Italian Americans who tend to be more conservative than some of the wacky folks in NYC. Hell, I becamse more conservative after moving here and seeing some of these nuts.
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:49 pm | #
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By the way, I'm Italian, I wasn't trying to dig any group.
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:50 pm | #
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That's called "Every worthless night of my life 'cus I can't get over this damned insomnia", Corey. What about you?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:50 pm | #
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Bloomberg's even more liberal than Giuliani. Hell, he gave out peaceful protester cards during the RNC convention. He ran as a Rep mostly b/c of how crowded the Dem primary was in NYC.
I wouldn't go too hard on Rags. When you're in high school, generally you're more idealistic and fanciful. It's when you get older you become more in touch with the real world, and also more cynical and hardened. Geez, I can't even begin to tell you some of my crazy views when I was 16
Moderate Mark | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:50 pm | #
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Bishop,
Maine.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:51 pm | #
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And I think Corey's right about Bloomberg. After the dem's destroy themselves in another bitter primary, Bloomberg could see quite a bounce.
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:51 pm | #
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C'mon, Mark, tell us your tale!
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:52 pm | #
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So your saying Easley would be:
Formidable?
Non-Formidable?
I kind of liked Mike Easley's resume though, and i live in downstate IL.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:52 pm | #
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Staten Island is very Conservative, moreso than Long Island, Westchester, even Northern NJ. It has the highest percentage of Italian-Americans in the nation (30% I believe), many are cops and construction workers, and are pro-life and HATE NYC's high taxes for government programs
Moderate Mark | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:53 pm | #
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Hey Bishop,
Did you see how on "24", Kiefer Sutherland had to do the whole 'All Muslims are not terrorists, most are not. Keep that in mind." public service announcement?
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:53 pm | #
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Let us all give praise and thanksgiving that Howard Dean is going to be elected as the new DNC Chairman. This shall ensure many more GOP victories across the US at every level for many, many years to come. Unless of course Hillary and Bill have him whacked. If I were Mrs. Dean I would definitely be demanding more life insurance on my hubby.
He's a loser with a capital "L" as in ultra-left.
The Bishop | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:54 pm | #
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From when I first became consious of our government, I was a Dem because my parents were. I sorta liked Bob Dole in '96. After Monica, I became a Millitant Libertarian, on the Anarchist and anti-Communist side. When I learned more about Socialism, I realized I had been looking at Bullshit Communism, and I didn't know the diffrence. After studying some, I became a Socialist, although I'm still a social Libertarian and anti-Stalinist.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:55 pm | #
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I read a few bios of him at Wikipedia.org and at some of his North Carolina government and campaign sites.
I do recall that Nixon selected a Governor, not his former running mate Henry Cabot Lodge Jr, when he returned.
So to hell with Lieberman, and the best governors with Gore (if he returned that is and im not saying hewill or wont) Gore should choose a southern Governor.
And there are hardly any credible governors in the South except Mark Warner and Mike EAsley in Virginia and NC.
However, i wouldnt mind if Gore also chose either Hillary Clinton or Bill Richardson, for atleast they wont try to succeed him after apossible 8 years.
Thats one thing if someone dont want their vice president, for either party/ideology, to succeed them and rob them of their legacy, Dont choose someone young and vibrant. LOL.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:55 pm | #
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I think he would be formidable. I just do not think he will run.
THE MODERATE | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:56 pm | #
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Mark, also, many are practicing Catholics. kerry dropped the ball with them, my mom is a very church going lady who supported Kerry. She got into arguments every Sunday, and my pops (who supported Bush) refused to go to services with her until after the election. Apparantly, my mom wasn't too popular in her church because she supported Kerry.
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:56 pm | #
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That is exactly why Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton got that.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:56 pm | #
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Corey
Don't get me started on "24". I haven't had my intelligence so insulted in a very long time.
It was unbelievable. I hope Saturday Night Live runs a parody.
Hi, I'm Keifer Sutherland, I play Jack Bauer on 24, and I am a chronic bed wetter and politically correct ninny.
The Bishop | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:57 pm | #
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You know, it's funny...
If you Repubs are so confident that Dean spells doom, why do you fight so hard agenst him, like aiding Dick Gepheart torpedo his campaign and the likes?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:57 pm | #
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Easely will not run with Gore in 2000 he refused to campaign with him, for that matter refused to campaign with Kerry this time either.
THE MODERATE | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:58 pm | #
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Easley did do an add campaign with Kerry here. Dean Smith (AKA, The Will of the Dieties Incarnate) and Andy of Mayberry went with them.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:00 pm | #
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I thought Fresh Kills was closed. I hope so, i remember it as a huge brown hill, easily visible from the Staten Island Mall
Moderate Mark | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:00 pm | #
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Rags,
I'm not a republican, but I think Dean is a very bad idea. Great, another liberal north easterner pushing more and more conservative dems into the republican column.
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:00 pm | #
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Ragnar
You are one confused individual. At a minimum you need to switch to de-caf.
The Bishop | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:01 pm | #
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When I was 16, I was woefully misinformed just like everyone currently on this forum. All of you need a civics lesson (and not from a government school), and then you would understand why nobody on your presidential preference list is qualified for the job.
Libertarian Mike | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:03 pm | #
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I think they stopped dumping in Fresh Kills, but I think the garbage is still there. (I haven't driven through in a while) I truied to go to the Staten Island Mall once, but couldn't take it. According to my girlfriend at the time, the wind shifted and thats why it was so bad. I dropped her off and chose to hang out with her mother instead (aghh)
Crazy, but they are planning to turn Fresh Kills into a public park (in like 50years) Sounds like a cancer factory to me
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:03 pm | #
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Except, Zef, you weren't active in a "Totally Distroy Dean and Blow Everything He Ever Did Out of Proportion" campaign while saying he wasn't a good idea.
If the GOP thinks Dean is the last breath of the Dems, why do they try to distroy him? If they're so confident, why do they act so afraid?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:04 pm | #
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The only conservative Dems that i see going into the Republican column are idiots like Zell.
Now comeon, whos to believethe Republicans arenot just scared Dean will tearthe living shitout of them and return the Democrats to the socially liberal fiscally conservative progressive roots of FDR and Truman, andnot this far leftOld Guard Liberalism and definitely not Republican-Lite Clinton/Carter Centrism. For dontget mewrong, I was born under Carter and i like himalot for a president. In fact there was peace throughout his entire four years. Thats much i can say for Reagan and the two Bushes.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:05 pm | #
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Zef, you broke up with your girlfriend to date her mother?
Aghh is right, man!
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:05 pm | #
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as long as were talking 08
what do alton parker,
herbert hoover,
wendell wilkie, and
dwight eisenhower have in common
you can add perot w/ an * if you want
drjay | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:05 pm | #
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In fact if it were not for the economic wranglings and regulation of the country's disenchantment withthe Democrats and the growing Republican Reagan dominance, and the bolting of the blue collar middle class, Jimmy Carter wouldhave won a second term, even over Reagan.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:06 pm | #
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Russel Means/Lenord Pelteir for President! AIM!
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:06 pm | #
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"I'm not a republican, but I think Dean is a very bad idea. Great, another liberal north easterner pushing more and more conservative dems into the republican column."
Have you bought the "liberal" media's claim that he is left of Marx too?
Nobody will care that he is Party Chairman in a few months.
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:07 pm | #
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And Carter was one of the most born again Christians, for Evangelicals bolted the most pious Christan president (Carter) for aman that did not even bother to go to church or church services,unless it was a political event (Reagan.)
Some Christian that Reagan really was!
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:08 pm | #
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they all won there parties nomination having never been one of the "big four"--congressman, senator, guv, or v.p.
parker was a state court judge
hoover: commerce sec.
wilkie: utility co. prez
ike: general
and perot--was a businessman
drjay | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:10 pm | #
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late again but:
Corey if a left on abortion and social issues independent were to run do you think he/she could siphon enough votes to make it competitive? In other words the 25 percent good government/liberal types that have voted for Lipper Sr, because of no other choice vote for this new indy candidate it may become closer than folks think.
I know we all hate to talk about choice but if you had 2 anti-choice candidates (assuming any solid Repub in that district would be so) and 1 pro-choice (and not to moderate either Lippy jr. has already said that he believes life begins at conception and would vote as such)....it seems to me....oh well just dreamin' here I guess.
Petedal | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:10 pm | #
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its something i've been thinking about i'll have more later
drjay | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:10 pm | #
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What about Tim Roemer as a possible candidate for the Democrats in 2008?
Practical Progressive | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:11 pm | #
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I think I'll book. It's been real.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:11 pm | #
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Dudeman, you also see why democratic socialists fear Leninism.
Many of the Founding Fathers were deathly afraid of the rise of parties which they equated to the Rise of Faction. Number Ten of The Federalist is famous for its denunciation of parties and praise for multiple conflicting interests (what modern political sociologists like Lipset call cross-cleavage — and I will leave the doubles entendres to others better able) as a surer check on tyranny and the Rule of the Mob (debtors combining to use the State to bilk their creditors, as in contemporary Rhode Island, was a particular bugbear).
But although George Washington's government of all the talents was both brilliantly-managed and probably essential at the launch of the Republic, parties rose up inevitably, much to everyone's benefit.
Single party systems always look much better on paper than they act out in practice. Inevitably after the Bolsheviks had banned all the other parties, internal party factions became a focus for dissenters, and they in turn had to be banned (at the Tenth Party Congress). What happened next was not inevitable, but made much more probable.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:13 pm | #
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Al Franken as a Senator? Now that I have regained my composure after horse-laughing at that absurd scenario, I think Rod Grams needs to recongize that he is ballot box poison and should defer to a Republican candidate who can actually win.
KentuckyRepublican | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:16 pm | #
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So any Republicans here want todiscuss why it was possible that American Christian Evangelicals turned down Carter, the most christian President America ever had, sothat they could embrace a divorced Hollywood actor who hardly ever bothered to go to Churchunless it was a political event?
Comeon, Vanessa is waiting LOL.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:16 pm | #
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petedal, I just don't think abortion is the driving force in that district. People there don't even care who their Congressman is. The person who is backed by the most powerful committemen will win, as the committemen controls local jobs, etc.
Nonetheless, the 3rd district in Illinois is filled with many socially conservative Democrats. The district used to vote for Ronald Reagan after all. Of course, it is overwhelmingly Democrat, but it comprised of what are called "bungalow Democrats", mainly white ethnic European (and some Hispanics now) communities which are heavily Catholic and are probably mostly Pro-Life.
One thing of note regarding that race, is that State Treasurer Judy Baar Topinka, a pro-choice Republican, former State Party Chair, suburban township committeeman, has always had a non-agression pact with Lipinksi Sr., in which they would endorse each other and never support the nominee of their own party against each other.
Topinka has now said that the non-agression pact does not apply to Lipinksi Jr.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:17 pm | #
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It's not about banning parties, it's about bringing them into something bigger. After the disastorious Kerensky republic, something had to be done. A non-caucuses, totally unified Bolshivik party could do more. Again, plans went totally awry when the Red Tsar took power.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:17 pm | #
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Sorry, I know, I said I was gone, but I'm hooked.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:18 pm | #
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Uh.....news flash:
We have a one-party system in place right now.
Libertarian Mike | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:19 pm | #
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No Ghost, I know he isn't all that liberal as gov of Vt, but, that is who he appeals to and who he talks to. Who were the Deaniacs, or did the liberal media make them up. What about hating republicans, or all the conspiracy crap he spouted during the election. Hell, he might have been right about offering OBL a fair trial, but why would he say something so insane during an election cycle.
I've seen Terry McAulithe about a million times in the last 4 years, so why would we not see Dean as much, when he is more of a celebrity.
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:19 pm | #
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Dean is no more poison to the Democratic Party than if a pro-choice pro Gay establishment became the chairman of the RNC.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:22 pm | #
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Not the Trotskyist/Bolshivik style that I'm talking about.
Trotsky thought that, through the unity of the party, a sort of human unity would start to grow.
I think that you are confused, my friends. You are basing your critique on what happend, not what was planned. What Stalin did and what Lenin and Trotsky planned were two diffrent fish.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:23 pm | #
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Zef while I agree with you about Dean most of the party in North Carolina has long since ingored what ever goes on with the DNC and have long regarded it as an enemy. I think this will continue under Dean, Reomer, Fowler or Frost would have been a better pick, but I do not know if he does any more harm he is just not someone we can rally around just another one to ignore.
THE MODERATE | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:24 pm | #
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*covers mouth*
Oops, That already happened.
What with Ken Mehlman being an unouted Gay man who made his assistant a supporter of abortion rights, Why thats the best kind of RNC ever huh??????????
And after a hypocritical campaign in which gay marriage was supposedto drive out the hardcore anti-gay anti abortion "religious right" establishment.
The Religious Right are theReligious Wrong.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:24 pm | #
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LibMike, were you ever, in your youth, a member of any Socialist orginization? How did you "see the light" of Capitalism, if you did?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:25 pm | #
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Was it Frankin who wrote "How the Left is Right and the Right is Wrong"?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:27 pm | #
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OK, I finally uploaded an Excel spreadsheet that I created from the final FEC numbers for the 2004 Presidential Election, with percentages, ranks and margins.
I have no interest in dragooning or cajoling people into "my" skeleton Yahoo! Group, but in order to see (and/or download) the spreadsheet, you need to visit the "Homepage" next to my name below, join the Group if you're not already a member, and then visit the Files section (which Yahoo! Groups won't make available to non-members.)
(I'll also be glad to provide this to anyone else who wants to display or store it on a real web-site as opposed to my Yahoo! Groups substitute for one. Until I get carried away with analytic enthusiasm and load it down with further refinements, the file is only 89KB.)
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:27 pm | #
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I sure am glad President Bush announced he would veto any changes to his Prescription Drug benefit.Some Congresspeople,including Republicans,are upset that its cost was wildlyunderestimated.Suspicious (or maybe cynical)types think this was done on purpose!What really has some upset though is that Viagra is paid for under this bill.Thats why Im glad Bush is threatening to veto any changes.What with Arch married to an Israeli stripper.Hes going to need a hefty supply of the stuff as the years go by!
Cynical Cid | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:27 pm | #
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Moderate, et all. As a New Yorker, I'm going to have to trust you guys on this one. dean is really popular up here, and my positions are considered Republican - lite I guess anyway. I just would like some better choices in 4 years, electable, decent choices.
Have a great weekend, I'm out!
Zef | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:27 pm | #
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Corey:
So Treasurer Topinka basically runs the Republican Party of Illinois, right? Does she plan on running for re-election or will she challenge Blago?
KentuckyRepublican | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:28 pm | #
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"all the conspiracy crap "
Examples.
"the Deaniacs, or did the liberal media make them up"
Weren't there people excited about Kerry? Edwards? So why should Dean be singled out?
"I've seen Terry McAulithe about a million times in the last 4 years, so why would we not see Dean as much, when he is more of a celebrity."
Occasionally on a news show every now and then. I'm pretty politically astute and I have seen him maybe a little over 50 times in the past four years.
Here's the quote:
"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for, but I admire their discipline and
their organization"
The key word in this sentence is "and" because the phrase "everything they stand for" is added to it.
Actually, I'm glad to have someone of Dean's candor fighting for our party. We need more people like this.
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:29 pm | #
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KR, Franken is a comedian but he is also an intellectual
Daniel | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:30 pm | #
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Intellectual? The man is a fruit loop that should be committed.
KentuckyRepublican | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:31 pm | #
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KentuckyRepublican,
Topinka is no longer the State Party Chair. She may seek reelection as Treasurer but I would be surprised if she ran for Governor now.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:32 pm | #
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Oh come on Republicans, Dont fret about Al Franken.
Heprobably wouldnt even make it outof a Democratic Primary.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:33 pm | #
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She may be a moderate, but I what I have observed of her, she seems to be a pretty fierce competitor that doesn't care much for Democrats. She would easily win re-election I think.
KentuckyRepublican | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:33 pm | #
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The DFL may be as liberal as you get in MN, but they wouldnt vote for him. They will back their faithful, not some jackass celebrity.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:34 pm | #
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Why are we even talking about Al Franken?
He isn't running for anything in 2006. I doubt that he will in 2008, and if he did, he would get crushed.
He has a radio show that nobody listens to. He was the emcee at the big tribute to Terry McAuliffe last night.
Rush Limbaugh lost a lot of weight but Franken is still a buck toothed moron.
Why even talk about him?
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:34 pm | #
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Ragnar, I would never want to be in the shoes of anyone in Russia between 1915 and 1930, so I should avoid making moral judgements.
But you have to take responsibility for the actual foreseeable results of your plans, as well as the most desirable ones.
There were some extremely powerful arguments for going into Iraq with a lighter force than Gen. Shinseki and his colleagues had recommended, but Donald Rumsfeld has to take responsibility for what happened when he ignored their warnings. He went into Iraq "with the army you have, not the one you want" because (a) he went into Iraq when he did and (b) the army he had was the one he built (or failed to build) and deployed.
If you ally with Stalin to suppress dissenting voices, the results may be tragic, but you can't say you wer justified by some higher dream you had.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:35 pm | #
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Ragnar:
I became gradually exposed to the writings of people like Locke and Jefferson. Then the more modern folks like Rand. Then unknown candidates like Harry Browne.
I was a die-hard Republican, only because I believed the Democrats were hopeless (they are). I was also a single-issue voter: taxes.
It took a lot of years to understand what our founders were all about. Not a single person on the list could hold George Washington's jock strap. In fact, I can think of only one current politician who could even come close (Ron Paul).
So it doesn't matter to me who the next president is if it's not Ron Paul. That person will be a constitutional moron, and not worthy to hold the office.
Libertarian Mike | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:36 pm | #
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Topinka has been a pretty successful vote getter, but she will have a tough race if she runs. She has had tough statewide races against Democrats in the past.
She actually is considered to be pretty cozy with many Democrats, where she even endorses them, etc, in return for favors. She had refused to outright endorse Peter Fitzgerald as the GOP nominee a couple years ago, and some say that was one of the reasons he started to think about not seeking reelection. Many other Republican activists/officials will say that she is only interested in her own political career and not as much with helping others financially, that she is a crony of George Ryan, etc.
That and her role in what happened to Jack Ryan have a lot of conservatives very angry at her, and while I will vote for whomever the GOP nominee is down the line, and think she would still be the best option to run for State Treasurer, a lot of Republicans may refuse to vote for her. She had a very politically bad 2004.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:39 pm | #
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I would say Dean is the spokesman for the Democratic Party as of now, so I think its fitting he becomes DNC chair. As it is, Kerry was the nominee, and Dean gets far more coverage than Kerry does now. Some even accused Kerry of running as Dean-lite. He really is the only Democrat with new ideas or vision that I can think of (at least in terms of Dems seeking the presidency).
Moderate Mark | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:47 pm | #
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Cook County Treasurer Maria Pappas is also considering running for IL State Treasurer. I think she would do a superb job. She may also be highly credible in a future bid for Governor of IL.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:49 pm | #
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Dean sticks around in your head. He lingers on the palette, so to speak. Kerry is more forgettable.
Moderate Mark | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:50 pm | #
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I don't want to beat the (obviously incredibly-important) question of the single party state into the ground, but let me add a couple more things.
(1) India in 1947 was in no better shape than Russia thirty years earlier. There are all kinds of imperfections and injustices in India's system of government, and it's no more a perfect democracy than America was in 1800 or 1880, but the people of India are able to use the "bourgeois democratic" machinery to say "No" when they need to, rejecting the Congress Party when Indira Gandhi tried to dismantle the parliamentary system and bringing Congress back in last year when the BJP Coalition's market approach wasn't doing anything for the rural masses.
(2) The most sincere and humane person I know of to think about how to make a single-party system work was the late Julius K. Nyerere of Tanzania. But Tanzania, like several other countries in South, East & Central Africa, has finally decided that a single-party system is not the best approach.
(3) When I was about twenty, I did read a few books about this question. (Was I a Leninist or a social democrat or something else, and why?) Most of them are quite short and readable, and were published in English by fairly big publishers, but I don't know how easy they are to find in your neck of N.C. However, many of them should be available on line, in one form or another.
Here's a short list, which others can supplement or clarify:
(a) The State and Revolution, by V.I. Lenin (too many editions to specify, like the Bible)
(b) The Dictatorship of the Proletariat, by Karl Kautsky (U. Mich. Ann Arbor paperbacks)
(c) The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky, by V.I. Lenin
(d) The Theory and Practice of Bolshevism, by Bertrand Russell
(e) The Constituent Assembly Elections and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, by V.I. Lenin
(f) Marxism or Leninism? and The Russian Revolution, by Rosa Luxemburg (another Ann Arbor paperback)
(g) Terrorism or Communism, by Leon Trotsky (Ann Arbor plus your regular old Trotskyist outlets)
(h) Socialism, by Michael Harrington (Saturday Review Press and Penguin)
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:07 pm | #
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Looking at my bookshelf as I get ready to leave the house, I see I slightly garbled a couple of titles. The correct ones are:
(f) The Russian Revolution and Leninism or Marxism?, by Rosa Luxemburg
(g) Terrorism & Communism by Leon Trotsky (responding to a Kautsky pamphlet called, I think, Terrorism or Communism?), but other translations may have slightly-different titles
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:16 pm | #
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Franken BIO:
Was an improv comedy performer and sketch comedy writer at the Brave New Workshop in Minneapolis, MN in the early 1970's.
Graduated from Harvard University
He received a perfect score (800) on the math section of the SAT.
Improv Comedy is very hard as is stand-up as is writing comedy.
Daniel | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:16 pm | #
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Is Haloscan working here again? It was not working a bit ago.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:17 pm | #
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Howard Dean as DNC chairman will enable the Dems to go the way of the Whig Party... a slow and painful death under the leadership of a mad man. The Doctor is in!
Former PA Democrat | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:18 pm | #
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One other thing... did they pick the good doctor because Jerry Brown, Al Sharpton, and Cynthia McKinney were unavailable?
Former PA Democrat | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:21 pm | #
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Yeah but if that happened, atleast we would go out with a voice, unlike the last presidential candidate who could not decide whether he votedfor something before hevoted against it?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:21 pm | #
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Kerry is a joke to the Democrats, and now hes trying to woo the party faithful by coming after Bush in his emails. Well, Sorry Charlie. Too Little, Too Late. YouLost. Get over it, and nevercome back because you deserve nothing more than togo down in history with the Mondales and Dukakises and McGoverns and Doles.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:25 pm | #
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OH, and the Humphreys.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:28 pm | #
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And of course, the Goldwaters. Ill stop there as imnot going before1960.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:29 pm | #
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Sharpton, Brown and McKinney represent the last 3 pols I gave money to.
Petedal | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:33 pm | #
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I have a pop quiz for everyone. In the era of live tv debates, Who (and dont be partisan and ideological please regardless of party or ideology but only basedon appearance) was the best at performing in tv debates?
1. Kennedy and Johnson Vs Nixon and Lodge 1960
2. Johnson and Humphrey Vs Goldwater and Miller 1964
3. Humphrey-Muskie Vs Nixon-Agnew 1968
4. Nixon Agnew Vs McGovern Eagleton/Shriver 1972
5. Ford-Dole Vs Carter-Mondale 1976
6. Carter-Mondale Vs Reagan-Bush Sr 1980
7. Reagan Bush Sr VS Mondale Ferraro 1984
8. Dukakis Bentsen Vs Bush Sr Quayle 1988
9. Bush Sr and Quayle VS Clinton-Gore 1992
10. Clinton-Gore 1996 VS Dole-Kemp 1996
11. Gore-Lieberman Vs Bush-Cheney 2000
12. Kerry-Edwards VS Bush-Cheney 2004
BE BOLD, BUT NOT PARTISAN AND IDEOLOGICAL PLEASE, IN your thinking.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:34 pm | #
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Scot
I have to disagree with you on Kerry. Yeah, he lost, but it was pretty darn close. 60,000 votes switched in OH would have made him Pres.
Why do we always have to treat the folks who come in second as "losers", hell almost 60 million voted for the guy--it was no blowout. He deserves another cahnce
Scott P | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:41 pm | #
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Dean Burch was a true believer imposed on the RNC by Goldwater and his supporters. To anyone outside Mississippi and the GOP, Haley Barbour, while certainly a pleasant-enough fellow, does not present an image of moderation.
Last I heard there were still a few state GOP's lurking around here and there that hadn't gone the Way of the Whigs.
I wonder if those few Republican holdouts will ever be able to elect anyone again, or if they'll just sort of wither away into oblivion like the Federalists.
Maybe that name Republican (like Socialist) has just become ballot box-office poison, and like the National Republicans of the 1830's they'll go find a more marketable label.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:41 pm | #
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Will Kinky Friedman siphen more votes away from Democrats or Republicans in Texas?
Drayton | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:41 pm | #
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No debates in 64 68 and 72.
JFK probably won becaause of TV
Carter also (almost embarrassing that a sitting president actually thought Poland was not dominated by the USSR)
1980--Reagan destroys Carter
1984-Regan destroys Mondale (and Mondale was not even that bad--reagan just that good)
1988-If he had played his cards right Jim Leherer could have been elected...although Loyd Bentsen set the stage for the Qyale era.
1992-Perot got back in it by doing so well in number 1 and Clinton just toyed with Bush I after that (Did we ever figure out what time it was Mr. President)
1996-Good God I actually felt bad for Bob Dole and I could not stand the guy
2000-Bush over Gore in many ways.
2004--Wierd Kerry won every debate and yet....
Petedal | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:42 pm | #
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Scot, 2, 3 & 4 never happened. LBJ didn't debate Goldwater, and after his effort in 1960, Nixon didn't debate again. In 1968, he used the question of whether George C. Wallace (AIP) should be included as a way of dancing away from a debate with Humphrey.
It would have been very interesting to see those debates had they occurred.
Presidential debates resumed in 1976.
Ferraro and Quayle were lightweights.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:46 pm | #
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Quayle beat Al Gore in the 1992 VP debate.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:48 pm | #
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In 1984, Mondale destroyed Reagan. The only point in the entire campaign in which polls showed Mondale within range was after the first debate. Reagan was dottering and incompetent. He recovered some for the second debate, but Mondale still won.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:55 pm | #
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ok, I will try to be objective and give my complete rundown as it relates to my opinion regarding overall political effectiveness:
1960 Kennedy vs Nixon #1- Kennedy
#2-Nixon
#3 Nixon
#4 Nixon
1976 Carter vs Ford # 1- Ford
#2-Carter
VP-Mondale
#3-Carter
1980 Reagan vs. Anderson-Reagan
Reagan vs. Carter-Reagan
1984 Reagan vs Mondale # 1-Mondale
VP-Bush
#2-Reagan
1988 Bush vs Dukakis # 1- Bush
VP-Bentsen
#2-Bush
1992 Bush, Clinton, Perot # 1-Perot
VP-Quayle
#2 Clinton
#3 Bush
1996 Clinton vs Dole #1-Clinton
VP-Gore
#2-Dole
2000 Bush vs. Gore #1-Bush
VP-Cheney
#2-Bush
#3 Bush
2004 Bush vs. Kerry #1-Kerry
VP-Cheney
#2-Bush
#3-Bush
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:56 pm | #
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For all the debates, I would say as follows:
1. 1960: Kennedy
2. 1976: Didn't see it.
3. 1980: Reagan
4. 1984: Mondale (both) and Bush
5. 1988: Bush and Bentsen
6. 1992: Perot won the first, Clinton the second, Gore the veep.
7. 1996: Clinton; I didn't see the veep debate.
8. 2000: Bush won all three; I thought the veep was a draw.
9. 2004: Kerry won all, though Bush did best in second one. Veep still a draw.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:59 pm | #
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Are you sure ScottP, for ifwe give Kerry another chance dont youthink he will screw up in 2008 worser than 2004, unless ofcourse we find out that what Bush-Cheney said all through the2004 campaign was complete utter lies and what Kerry-Edwards said was truths.
Just like with 2000 campaign.
Everything Gore told us came true.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:07 pm | #
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"I told you so."
Al gore-September 2001
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:08 pm | #
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Bloomberg's even more liberal than Giuliani. Hell, he gave out peaceful protester cards during the RNC convention. He ran as a Rep mostly b/c of how crowded the Dem primary was in NYC.
I wouldn't go too hard on Rags. When you're in high school, generally you're more idealistic and fanciful. It's when you get older you become more in touch with the real world, and also more cynical and hardened. Geez, I can't even begin to tell you some of my crazy views when I was 16
Moderate Mark | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 2:50 pm | #
Don't get me started!
I think Ragnar will be a dyed in the wool republican in five years.
The easiest way to be cured of socialism is to try it your self!
(I sympathise with him though, about turning left at the same time being disenchanted w/ clinton because of Monica/Kosovo -- that really made a bad impression on me at a young age)
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:09 pm | #
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Here's a short list, which others can supplement or clarify:
(a) The State and Revolution, by V.I. Lenin (too many editions to specify, like the Bible)
(b) The Dictatorship of the Proletariat, by Karl Kautsky (U. Mich. Ann Arbor paperbacks)
(c) The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky, by V.I. Lenin
(d) The Theory and Practice of Bolshevism, by Bertrand Russell
(e) The Constituent Assembly Elections and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, by V.I. Lenin
(f) Marxism or Leninism? and The Russian Revolution, by Rosa Luxemburg (another Ann Arbor paperback)
(g) Terrorism or Communism, by Leon Trotsky (Ann Arbor plus your regular old Trotskyist outlets)
(h) Socialism, by Michael Harrington (Saturday Review Press and Penguin)
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Looking at my bookshelf as I get ready to leave the house, I see I slightly garbled a couple of titles. The correct ones are:
(f) The Russian Revolution and Leninism or Marxism?, by Rosa Luxemburg
(g) Terrorism & Communism by Leon Trotsky (responding to a Kautsky pamphlet called, I think, Terrorism or Communism?), but other translations may have slightly-different titles
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 4:16 pm | #
just in case anyone is interested, you can get most of those titles at the Marxist Internet Archive.
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:11 pm | #
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I am so glad that Al Franken decided not to run. The state can breath a sign of relief. But look out 2008! Look at Mike Erlandson in 2008 as a possiblity.
As for the 2008 Nominations for both parties there are a few names I can am not seeing.
Democrats...I like Senator Feingold, but only this site lists him. And Harold Ford of Tennesee. I think those are two people to watch in 2008.
Republicans...How come no one mentions John Thune of South Dakota. He should be considered too, afterall he defeated "the obstructionist" in the Senate. First time in over fifty years a party leader in the Senate lost. Also, he is young and charming and he would add some blue states to the red state column...MN and WI for sure and these are maybes...WA, OR, MI, PA. If I were Republican I would have a red state Republican as President and a Blue state Republican as VP. Possiblilites for VP would be Christie Whitman, Pataki, Snowe...This is a ticket I would vote for and I am a Democrat. Plus I like Thune. He is very non-offensive. And if Hillary gets the nomination I will have to strongly consider the Republican party or some third party.
MNDem | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:12 pm | #
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Alright, who is best at performing in Radio out of the last 12 Presidents?
1. FDR
2. Truman
3. Eisenhower
4. Kennedy
5. Johnson
6. Nixon
7. Ford
8. Carter
9. Reagan
10. George H W Bush
11. Clinton
12. George W Bush
I just mean on this the radio addresses thatwas traditionally started by FDR as "fireside chats." But grew eventually into a weekly tradition by every president thereafter in the age of radio.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:12 pm | #
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THE NEW GOP STANDS FOR:
1) BIG GOVERNMENT ( spend spend spend)
2) NATIONAL ID CARDS
3) AND prosecuting the already
persecuted people.
Hmmm | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:16 pm | #
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The GOP is full of neo conservatism right now that is worser than regular Reagan-Goldwater conservatism.
What the GOP needs is a couple of defeats in 2008 and 2012, and then by 2016 they will nominate someone that will be much better.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:19 pm | #
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ScottP,
Yes, Kerry could certainly have made it a lot closer than he did; he should, of course, have won.
But I always feel very uneasy about that argument about how 60,000 votes in Ohio would have made John Kerry President. In that case, 2,880,000 more Americans (rather than an even 3 million more) would have voted for Bush than for Kerry, and Bush would still have had an absolute majority of the vote [50.68% as vs the actual 50.73%], but the people's choice would again have been thwarted by the anachronism of the Electoral College. That's what we complained about in 2000, when Gore had only a half-million-vote lead and no overall majority.
The only plus to this scenario is that perhaps now that this finally happened to a Republican (after it had thwarted Gore in 2000, Cleveland in 1888, Tilden in 1876 and Andrew Jackson in 1824), there would be more support from their side for fixing this trapdoor.
2004 U.S. popular vote totals had 60,000 George Bush voters in Ohio voted instead for John Kerry
61,968,285 (50.68%) Bush — 266 Electoral Votes
59,088,109 (48.32%) Kerry — 272 Electoral Votes
+2,880,184 (+2.36%) Bush margin over Kerry
_1,221,420 (_1.00%) all other valid ballots
(The actual percentages were 50.73% Bush and 48.27% Kerry, giving a Bush margin of 2.46%. 60,000 votes in Ohio equal about one-twentieth of one percent, 0.05%, of the 122,277,814 total votes.)
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:20 pm | #
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After all, that is what happened the last time we had an open seat White House race. We pretty much had Truman and Barkley both retiring with the lowest approval ratings ever at only in the mid 20s. And Eisenhower-Nixon represented a fresh start while they defeated the disaffected Democrats twice with Stevenson-Sparkman '52 and Stevenson-Kefauver '56.
Then by 1960, the Democrats were ready to roll again with Kennedy/Johnson.
I think in 2008, We oughtto see the equivilent ofthat, but from the opposite side.
after all, Bush and Cheney are both likely to retire.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:22 pm | #
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I guess my point Dave is that we shouldn't treat those who come in second place as "absolute losers".
I'm not saying I support Kerry in 2008, in fact I think he'll have a tough time that year, but we shouldn't treat second place finishers s trivia questions.
Scott P | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:25 pm | #
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I dont care for Harold Ford Jr, and his time for onething isnt here yet. He is only a young black representative, so why in the hell would anyone think ofhim asa presidential candidate as soon as 2008?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:26 pm | #
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For him, try 2020?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:27 pm | #
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or perhaps 2028?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:27 pm | #
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Yeah, give Ford some time to be the next Senator from Tennessee first.
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:29 pm | #
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Hell, i would even be supporting Wesley Clark (A General) and a Governor like Bill Owens, George Pataki,or Mark Sanford.
That would really make 1952 like 2008. and vise versa.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:29 pm | #
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I bet if Kerry had won the extra 60 000 votes and been elected President,all that Republican talk of "federalism" would have flown out the window,Rush Limbaugh would be back on the horse, and a constitutional amendment to abolish the Electoral College would be sailing through the GOP dominated Congress!
Cynical Cid | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:30 pm | #
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After all Ike was a former general.
Stevenson was a governor.
Enough said.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:30 pm | #
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Atleast i believe Clark is the only Democrat general in sight from the opposition.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:32 pm | #
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The odd thing about those Saturday radio talks by the President is that no one ever hears them!
Do you know who (if anyone) broadcasts them in your area?
Or do you, like me, once in a blue moon, go to the White House web site or C-Span.org to hear a replay of what supposedly the President was telling millions of Americans, and then to the Democratic sites or C-Span to hear the opposition reply.
Even more than the Sunday morning interview programs, I think these are just a plausible vehicle to put a story in the papers and on the air.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:32 pm | #
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As a South Carolinian I am fascinated about this talk of Gov. Mark Sanford for President.This guy is dry as desert wind,has a reputation as a flake,doesnt care about any of the Republican social stuff(Ive never heard him mention abortion),and can't get anything through a legislature dominated by his own party.Amazing!
Cynical Cid | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:34 pm | #
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I think it's heard in the DC metro area. I've never heard one myself personally
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:35 pm | #
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Wow! So you live in South Carolina?
Will Sanford survive reelection atleast , with or without wanting to runfor president?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:35 pm | #
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I know there are several Southern governors that were defeated from both parties in a second term bid (all or most of those southeast states have two term limits anyways) in the last decade?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:37 pm | #
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If you dont give DC voting rights, at least return the city of Washington back to the state of Maryland. After all, could you imagine how much more Democratic MD would be if you did!
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:37 pm | #
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Alabama has not elected a governor to a second term since before 1962 i believe. Atleast not second consecutive term that is.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:38 pm | #
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It's really a mistake in Virginia to term limit the Gov to 1 term. If they do that, then they should at least have a 6 or 8 year term.
And when are Vermont and New Hampshire going to break down and give their governors 4 year terms?
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:39 pm | #
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Actually, until recent times, it wasn't true that Supreme Court nominees were judges. As I recall, there were 5 distinct career paths, each used about equally.
1) Politician (most recent was Earl Warren). This career path, from the U.S. Senate, at least -- has been rendered mostly impossible by automatic pay raises. From a governor's mansion it is more difficult than it was in Earl Warren's day.
2) Executive branch (most recent was Rehnquist -- not necessarily always the Justice Dept. either -- William O. Douglas was FCC or some such...)
3) Federal court
4) State court
5) Private attorney
It is surprising how many Supreme Court justices have had no judicial experience at all -- at least 1/3, I want to say.
scrabblehack | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:40 pm | #
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Can you imagine the recriminations and conspiracy theories that would have followed that popular loss/Electoral College victory?
Barbara Boxer's objection to the count would have been nothing compared to Dana Rohrabacher's, Tom Tancredo's, Tom DeLay's and Rick Santorum's. Pres. Kerry would have been dogged by "Sore Winnerman", Stolen Election charges, and the label of illegitimacy for much more than 4 or 8 years.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:41 pm | #
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I bet Alabama is bad news for Bob Riley, who has been raising taxes down there and pissing off mainstream Alabama. LOL.
I heard he may even have aprimary challenge from that moron Roy Moore that wants to put The Ten Commandments in the Alabama Supreme Court Building.
While ido not have aproblem with the Bible or the ten commandments, I dont believe a government building is appropriate to display that.
Bob Riley looks cursed just as much as past Alabama governors.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:42 pm | #
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They will either elect Lucy Baxley or Roy Moore in 2008.
Moore will be a Perotlike candidate for the Presidency in 2008.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:43 pm | #
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Did anyone else see Kinky Friedman on Wolf Blitzer?!?
Thats my kind of candidate. I know he'll probably hurt the Democrats chances in Texas, but I don't really care. The Democratic nominee will probably be just slightly less conserverative than Rick Perry. That doesn't cut it for me. Kinky is a straight shooter, hates interest groups, and he's hillarious!
Kinky for Texas Governor '06!
Drayton | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:44 pm | #
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If Roy Moore becomes governor of Alabama, I fear he will use the state police to shut down the abortion clinics in AL. But if nothing else, it will force Bush to send in the national guard to reopen them, and piss off the religious right
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:44 pm | #
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Riley has made up excuses, but hes more vulnerable with every excuse as to whyhes raising taxes.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:45 pm | #
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LK,
That will also split the Republicans in 2008.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:46 pm | #
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By the way that first 2008 in the 5:43pm post of mine should be 2006.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:48 pm | #
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Wm O. Douglas was on the Federal Trade Commission, Securities & Exchange Commission or something, not (so far as I know) the FCC. Funk & Wagnall's helpfully says "various federal regulatory agencies", but those really interested can always find more than they want to know on the World Wide Web.
Earl Warren, like Edmund G. "Pat" Brown, Sr, after him, was Attorney-General of California (and DA for Alameda County) before he became Governor.
I just heard that Arthur Miller (the playwright) died.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:49 pm | #
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Sanford has a quirky kind of popularity here in SC.Hes always feuding with the Legislature.Last year he took a couple of live pigs outside the legislative chambers to illustrate the too proflgate spending ways of his fellow Republicans.The GOP organization is none too fond of him and that seems to suit Sanford just fine.In 2000 he supported McCain in the Republican primary while the rest of the GOP hierarchy was for Bush.The Democrats are so weak in SC its doubtful he'll have any trouble being re-elected Governor.I still don't get the Presidential talk though.
Cynical Cid | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:50 pm | #
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I bet a Roy Moore Governorship is good news for the White House for Democrats in 2008and maybe 2012.
In fact, listen to this.
It isnt because Moore would consider running asa Republican in Alabama but as an Independent nationallyand wouldsiphon the conservative vote.
Itis because Roy Moore would split the Republicans on the Abortion plank in their platform, as Liberal Kansas justsaid.
He wouldshut down, or probably, the Alabama abortion clinics. Bush would use the Guard to force them reopened. The events would in thatorder unfold right before our eyes, and when it pisses offthe Religious Right, It willtake acoupleof elections to gain thatall back. Like tosave the Democrats in 08 and 12. Republicans probably would come back at theend ofthe Democrat's tenurein 2016, against the presumed VP though and win though as they wouldbe united on a hopefully fiscally and socially responsible agenda by then again.
Roy Moore for Alabama Governor 2006! Its thewill of the People.....of Alabama! LOL.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:53 pm | #
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Hay Cid, I bet if Bush had 10,000 extra votes in Wisconsin it wouldn't matter if OHio whet for Bush or not, he would have still be President.
If Bush had gotten 9,000 more votes Bush would have won new Hempshire.
How long are you people going to keep going with this thing? It works both ways.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:56 pm | #
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The fact is that you guys lost. Nothing is going to change that.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:56 pm | #
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The Bush Administration is standing rock solid on two of their failures:
(1) The President said he'll veto any changes to the (now $720 billion) prescription-drug plan, despite pleas from both sides of the aisle. The actuary who said it would cost much more than $400 billion was threatened with all kinds of retaliation for telling the truth, just as Gen. Eric Shinseki was eased out of chairing the Joint Chief after he told the truth about how many troops an occupation of Iraq would take.
Of course the very worst sin in such a situation is to be proved right.
(2) Even though, I think, John Bolton is no longer Undersecretary of State for Int'l Orgs and Arms Control, the Administration is still refusing to negotiate bilaterally with North Korea, insisting that all talks be part of the six-party talks (U.S, Japan, China, Russia & both Koreas). This strategy has proved about as successful in controlling North Korea's WMD over the last 4 years as the Cuban embargo has been over the last 45 years in overthrowing Castro's dictatorship.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:57 pm | #
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Actually Roy Moore could also splitthe Republicans on not only ABortion, but alotof religious issues, includingthat of Gay Marriage.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 5:58 pm | #
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HMMM ALABAMA HAD A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR FROM 1874 ALL OF THE WAY TO 1995.
Wierd.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:03 pm | #
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Its interesting that the Democrats always talk about who Bush would work with other nations, but when he actually does which is the case with North Korea including Japan, China and the other nations in the region they continue to critize.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:04 pm | #
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Why is that wierd?
Thats the way it use to be throughout that South.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:05 pm | #
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And the governor that was a Republican from 1995-1999 was a former Democratic Governor.
Bob Riley is the only Original Republican elected in like a quarter of a century or more now.
Too badhewont get a second consecutive term, either.
LOL.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:05 pm | #
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Yes.
And thats the opposite of how it used to be in the North.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:06 pm | #
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What are you talking about?
The North has always been competitive between the Republicans and the Democrats and it still is.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:08 pm | #
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I actually think the whole Southern Democrat turned Republican ordeal is because they are just pissed off at their former party moving left and moving away from "their values."
Well, for one thing, I thoughtthe South was a poor Rural area, and i thought Democrats by today's standards care more for the Poor Rural areas than Republicans.
I guess i was wrong.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:08 pm | #
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And Tax cuts for the Rich dont help the Poor rural areas of America.
They only helpthe wealthy wallstreeterwho lives in CT. Not the farmboy who lives in the Mountains of North Carolina or the plains of Alabama.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:10 pm | #
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Maybe Howard Dean will change that fact for you fpot.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:11 pm | #
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He can go down there and scream at all the rural rednecks.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:12 pm | #
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H. Guy Hunt was removed from office upon conviction of illegally using campaign and inagural funds to pay personal debts. Lieutenant Governor James E. Folsom Jr. filled the unexpired term.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:12 pm | #
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Nah, He wont scream.
Thats just a rightwing lie.
He will just give the stark truth reality between the Democrats and Republicans, and give us a voice.
In fact if we lose with Dean, We will have won witha voice.
If we win with Dean, He would have proved usright.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:13 pm | #
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There used to be more fluidity between the Supreme Court and other jobs, as well. Justices would resign to take executive jobs or run for president and could be reappointed. That seldom happens anymore. Federal judges, at whatever, usually stay put.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:14 pm | #
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This from a guy whos nickname is Liberal Media Watcher.
Bet you dont know there is not asuch thing as a liberal media.
The media is conservative, and promotes the Republican agenda.
Here is my example of that:
Us news and weekly Report
Newsweek
Time
People.
Pick the Liberal one out there.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:16 pm | #
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And almost all of Bush's likely nominees for a S.Ct. opening are federal judges, save Alberto Gonzalez, who was previously a Texas Supreme Court judge.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:16 pm | #
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I just assumed Liberal Media Watcher spent all his time reading The Nation and The Progressive and listening to Pacifica.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:16 pm | #
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It is people, because People represents Hollywood.
Hollywood is the only element of the Media, that is Liberal.
So only a fool would believe the Media is Liberal.
The Media is more conservative than Rush Limbaugh, and conservatives thatclaim the media is liberal are just claiming so becausethey feel "victimized" in the words of that "liberal" Phil Donahue.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:17 pm | #
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Its well know that I am a Republican. But I believe in a two party system and the truth about Dean is that he is a crash and burn guy. The Democrats are taking a BIG risk with this guy.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:17 pm | #
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Alberto Gonzalez will not be one of Bush nominees for the Supreme Court. The first of which will be coming this summer.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:19 pm | #
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And Donahue isa Proud Liberal. Hes not afraid to show his guts.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:19 pm | #
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I look forward to it. Its been well over a decade since there was an open spot on the Court.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:20 pm | #
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While campaigning for President of the United States in 1972, George Wallace was shot in an assassination attempt. After a few months of recovery in a Maryland hospital, Wallace resumed his duties as governor. Lieutenant Governor Jere Beasley served as governor for a month after Wallace had been out of the state for more than 20 days, as per the constitution.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:21 pm | #
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Here are my picks for most likely S.Ct nominees:
John Roberts, DC Circuit Judge
Harvie Wilkinson, 4th Circuit
Michael Luttig, 4th Cir.
Samuel Alito, 3d Cir.
Ted Olson, Soliciter General
Michael McConnell, 10th Cir.
Alb. Gonzalez, AG
Larry Thompson, former Dep. AG
Emilio Garza, 5th cir.
Janice Rogers Brown, Cal. Sup. Ct.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:22 pm | #
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Emilio Garza will be the first hispanic named to the Court.
Justice Antoine Scalia will be named Chief Justice and confimed.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:23 pm | #
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I actually think Bush is to saavy to nominate Scalia for CJ, though it's possible.
He could do just as well with any of these very conservative judges and not create a public firestorm the way Scalia would.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:25 pm | #
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By the way, the court list above, was in no particular order.
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Rush Limbaugh wants Clarence Thomas tobe moved up to CJ to piss the left off in America.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:26 pm | #
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Why wouldn't it be saavy to naminate Scalia for Chief Justice?
The man is already on the Court promoting him to Chief Justice will not change.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:26 pm | #
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Admittedly, Sanford, Perdue, and Riley have been uninspiring, but they will either win their general elections, or they will be defeated in primaries with the winner prevailing in the general. Southern Democratic governors are fast going the way of the dinosaur. The only one who commands any political prowess is Easley of North Carolina, and he can hardly be considered a liberal Democrat. Warner in Virginia was a fluke and couldn't win a second term if he were able to run. That will be a GOP pickup this year. Bredeson in Tennessee got lucky that Congressman Van Hilleary had a train wreck for a campaign and then-outgoing Governor Don Sundquist had voters mad at Republicans that year. I live in a part of Kentucky that receives media from the Nashville market and can remember the numerous scandals and corrupt deals orchestrated by Bredeson when he was Mayor of Nashville. His days are numbered. Kathleen Blanco ogt lucky as well, with the old prejudices of Louisiana holding back Bobby Jindal in 2003. If he were a white man, ol' Kathy would be out of a job. Looks like that does it for the southern governors.
KentuckyRepublican | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:27 pm | #
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If Clarence Thomas is moved up to CJ, The Leftwould then assemble for decades. We would have apermanent Democratic Majority in the White House and Senate for about ageneration or so.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:27 pm | #
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I am 100% sure that Bush will nominate Scalia to be Chief Justice.
So it pisses off some of the liberals. He's on the court already, that is not going to change.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:28 pm | #
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Clarence Thomas is not going to be nominated to be Chief Justice.
Also fpot your speaking foolishness.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:29 pm | #
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LMW, Scalia has become and extremely controversial figure on the bench. He is respected for his jurisprudence but not for his temperment, which can be nasty.
Because he is so well known, he would cause a huge public storm and it would take a fight to get him confirmed. A less well known judge, though just as conservative, could get confirmed much more easily.
If I were Bush I wouldn't waste the effort on Scalia.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:29 pm | #
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KentuckyRepublican, You forgot Brad Henry's neurotic upset victory in 2002 in Oklahoma. By allmeans i classify Oklahoma as a Southwest state, but it could also be a Southeast Southern traditional state.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:30 pm | #
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Scalia is already on the Court and he will remain there for somewhile that isn't going to change if he is just an Associate Justice or Chief Justice.
The public will support it, the left will not and I think that is ok with the President.
It only takes 60 votes and I believe Scalia has 65 to be confirmed right now.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:31 pm | #
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It would make no sense that way this Supreme Court works to bring in a new Chief from outside the Court.
No sense at all.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:33 pm | #
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LMW, you may be right, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bush passes over Scalia for a younger, less known judge.
I'm not saying Scalia wouldn't be confirmed...and it would only take 51, because I don't think he'd be filibustered, but I don't know if Bush will waste political capital on him when he may need it for a judge that would really count (like say, when O'Conner or Stevens leave the court).
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:33 pm | #
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LMW, most chief justices come from outside the court. It is unusual where an associate, like Rhenquist, is then nominated for chief.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:34 pm | #
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Evenin' mates.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:34 pm | #
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Hmmm, If it is foolishness then why do i keep hearing it on Rush Limbaugh's radio program, LMW?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:35 pm | #
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What's tonites arguments, hmm? Seems to be the Suprime Court.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:35 pm | #
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Yes Ragnar, Clarence Thomas and Antonion Scaliaare going to be our next Chief Justice. Hop Aboard!
LOL.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:38 pm | #
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Lurleen Wallace, wife of George Wallace, died in 1968. Albert Brewer, the lieutenant governor, filled the unexpired term.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:39 pm | #
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B/c Rush is just pulling your chain fpot. Thomas is not going to be promoted to Chief Justice.
Sku we will see. Rienquest will call it quits at the end of the court term.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:40 pm | #
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Does anyone know when Sandra Day O Connor is going to call it quits?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:42 pm | #
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Shes been wanting to retire since 2000, butdid not want her retirement in Bush's first term tolook politically motivated.
OH, and BTW, Why would you think i givea muck if Rush pulls my chains?
Im a fiscal and social Libertarian Left Democrat, but im not far leftorfar right.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:44 pm | #
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Republicans in 08! The GOP will win with the Romney/Allen ticket
VA_Centrist | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:44 pm | #
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IN Fact, I cannot stand Al Franken or Rush Limbaugh.
Tome they are nothing more than a far left and farright nutcase that is hijacking our Radio airwaves.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:45 pm | #
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And who is the hitchcock guy that is always filling in for Rush when Rushis away anyways?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:46 pm | #
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I think LMW is correct and that, if he survives, Rhenquist will call it quits by the end of the term.
O'Conner is a question mark. She certainly may retire, but she could stick it out. She is probably the most powerful justice on the court, and likes it that way.
Stevens turns 85 this year, and though he may wish to hold out 4 more years, he may not be able to.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:47 pm | #
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The Left was so jealous of Talk Radio before Air America, so they had to create their own form of Limbaugh.
The day will come when the whole country tires of both morons.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:48 pm | #
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Dems will fillibuster Scalia. I think Bush will go with Stevens, who is next in seniority
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:48 pm | #
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I say, democraticly elect the CJs. I staunchly support an independant court.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:48 pm | #
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If Bush wants to really throw a curveball he could elevate Scalia and then nominate Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah to the Sup.Ct.Bush 41 toyed with nominating Hatch instead of David Souter.The NH judge (who John Sununu labeled as "solid") has been a keen disappointment to GOP conservatives.Even Ted Kennedy would probably have to swallow hard and voter for his ole buddy.
Cynical Cid | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:49 pm | #
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Liberal Kansas, what are you talking about that Bush will go with Stevens?
I doubt Dems will filibuster Scalia, what's the point? His vote is already on the court.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:49 pm | #
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Don Siegelman (born February 24, 1946, in Mobile, Alabama) is an American Democratic politician. He was the governor of Alabama from 1999 to 2003. He served as Alabama secretary of state from 1976 to 1986, Alabama attorney general from 1987 to 1990, and Alabama lieutenant governor from 1995 to 1999. He was defeated for reelection in November 2002 by Representative Bob Riley in one of the closest statewide elections in the history of Alabama. On May 27, 2004, he was indicted on federal charges of participating in a bid-rigging scheme with Paul Hamrick, his former chief of staff, and Phillip Bobo, a major contributor to his political campaigns. After considerable wrangling with federal prosecutors, including switching through three judges, his trial began in October 2004. The day after his trial began, prosecutors abruptly dropped all charges against all three men when the third judge threw out much of the prosecution's evidence "with prejudice," meaning that charges could not be refiled based on the disallowed evidence, effectively gutting the prosecution's case. Siegelman has publicly said that he is considering running for reelection as Governor in 2006.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:50 pm | #
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I'd be embarrassed to be participating in anything legal or illegal with men that have last names like Hamrick & Bobo.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:52 pm | #
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How can anyone possibly say that the country is moving towards the Republicans when Republicans held the White House from 1969 all of the wayuntil 1993 with an exception of the 4 Carter years.
When we have aclose election as in 1960 aka 2000, It means that the country is moving back towards the other party.
Remember from 1932 to 1968 the only Republican that sat in the White House was WW2 Hero Ike.
and from 1968 to 1992 the only Democrat that sat in the White House was Carter.
If indeed the complete turnaround shows you anything there about the future, than im sure it means we're turning around again and the only way the GOP can win is by stealing and rigging elections aka Diebold Inc.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 6:59 pm | #
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And of course Chuck Hagel's old company, ES & S.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:00 pm | #
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Well thats still besidesthe point, because I for one admire Chuck Hagel for his bold courageous Senate stands. He is a true MCCAIN like independent thinker.
Andfor those of u thatthink McCain would run in 2008, I actually could agree. But, here isthe light of it, I also think McCain wouldpass up the nod chance to have his party nominate and he will back Hagel.
Hagel is much younger, a deficit hawkand traditional conservative, and he would probably restore Reagan conservatism to the White House.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:03 pm | #
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Hell i wonder what a McCain/Hagel ticket would look like??????
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:04 pm | #
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Hell i wonder what a McCain/Hagel ticket would look like??????
Like a flying pig.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:05 pm | #
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They are ten years apart, and each started their current careers, that is as senators, in the same year tenyears apart.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:05 pm | #
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If McCain and/or Hagel run, Bush/Rove will do everything in their power to stop them. They'll get behind Jeb or Frist and run a smear campaign that will make 2000's push polls pale in comparison.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:07 pm | #
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Are you saying that because you dont think the GOP will ever nominate fiscal conservatism, or because neitherwould get the nomination and/or run?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:07 pm | #
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fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:08 pm | #
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McCain and Hagel have been critical of Bush and the neocons. The Bush group will punish them.
In any case, the Republican primary voter base is far too conservative to vote for either of them.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:09 pm | #
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Might be right there, and as long as Karl Rove is boss, Hes the Boss.
LOL.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:09 pm | #
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Welcome to the party of BIGOTS
AKA the GOP
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:10 pm | #
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Um nah.
Republicans arent conservative.
Thats an understatement.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:10 pm | #
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Fiscal Conservatism would know how to balance the budget, not waste away our tax money on Boondoggling.
Fiscal Conservatism would know how to understand federalism and states rights.
Fiscal Conservatism would also understand the real meaning of Capitalism.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:12 pm | #
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From where are you getting all this info about Alabama governors, f-potus?
And, dudeman, I thought the Marxist Archive might have much of that material I cited, as well as true-believing Trotskyist and Leninist (and for that matter, Maoist and Stalinist) sites. What's the Archives' URL, again?
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:12 pm | #
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Whats amusing is that Mccain and Hagel are much closer to the Republican conservatives of the fifties and sixties than the Bush crowd.Remember most of these guys cut their political teeth in the administration of Gerald Ford perceived by many as a (gulp) moderate(I mean Ford nominated the reviled "liberal" Republican Nelson Rockefeller to be VP) or as aides to Democratic Sen. Henry Jackson
Cynical Cid | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:14 pm | #
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from http://www.wikipedia.org
Type in Alabama Governors.
Click List of Alabama Governors.
Sorry.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:17 pm | #
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REPUBLICANS ARE BIGOTS
What's so conservative about ?
Nation building?
National ID's ?
Big governement ?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:17 pm | #
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It is an online encyclopedia btw.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:18 pm | #
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For those who are still interested, the Constitution doesn't say an Elector can't vote for someone from his (her) own state, and it doesn't say that the President and VP must come from different states.
All it says is that an Elector must cast at least one of his (her) two ballots for someone of another state than the Elector's. This might not make too much of a difference if (blithely ignoring the need to appeal to a wide cross-section of the country) a party were to nominate both a Prexy and VP from Delaware [e.g. Biden-Carper], or both from Wyoming [Cheney-Cubin] (3 electoral votes each); all you'd lose is 3 votes for VP which would have to go elsewhere; but two Texans on the same ticket [Perry-Hutchison], or two Californians [Boxer-Feinstein], might throw out enough Electoral Votes to lose one of those offices or to throw the election into Congress.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:20 pm | #
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In fact, You can find a list of every governor ofthe history of every state. Just find it at the search engine there and type in List of (insert state name here) Governors.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:20 pm | #
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Dem Soc. Dave...although the rule is pretty much meaningless since it takes all of 5 minutes to register to vote in another state, as Cheney did.
sku | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:23 pm | #
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Hmmm, then i guess if i ever ran for President I could not have one of my good loyal best friends from high school who is a yearyounger but graduated with me , Run as my Veep.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:28 pm | #
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I always thought i was constitutionally inelgible to do that, even as i and him were agreeing onthat back in 1996-1998.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:29 pm | #
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why should we send our son to Iraq
I lost my son last year in Iraq,
for what this war?
for freedom,
against islam,
why we should pay the price,
we can make good relations with islamic world,
why this war?
for our big country to sell weapons,
I lost my son there in Iraq,and I don't want any body
of my country to go there,
Iraq is country of death,
I don't to lose any American there,
and I ask Mr. bush to withdrwal our troops from there,
we are Amercan, country of freedom,
we don't want any new war,
no war,
John Allen
John | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:29 pm | #
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It was going to be the only way that we were going to break with tradition of victory speeches and have our victory speech rally if wewon held on our former high school football field.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:30 pm | #
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For another source, try the Political Graveyard, e.g.
Governors of Alabama
Climb back up the ladder and you can find Lieutenant-Governors of Alabama, Attorneys-General of California, Congressmen, delegates to the Constitutional and Secession Conventions, etc.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:31 pm | #
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Galesburg High School
Galesburg, IL.
Both of us are Class of 1998. But he is born in 1980, I am 1979.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:32 pm | #
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Actually i have not seen him since we graduated.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:33 pm | #
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Guess that would be constitutionally inelgible anyways, and i would probably be not running anymore anyways.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:34 pm | #
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Well Cheers everyone, for i have to go do some updates with my blog news site to get the dates caught upand i wont be blogging here until that is alldone.
Take care.
And goodnight fornow.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:40 pm | #
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Sure you could, Scot, it's just that all the loyal old homeboy cronies from the 'hood that you put on your home state's smashingly-victorious Electoral College slate couldn't vote for both of you; each of those faithful homestate Electors would have to decide which favorite son to vote against!
None of the other fifty Electoral College delegations would have difficulty voting for both of you (unless the voters picked them to vote for your opponents!).
See the Twelfth Amendment (adopted 1803-4 after the growth of parties had made it silly to arrange things so that the losing Pres. candidate was likely to be VP to the winner, e.g. Adams & Jefferson 1797-1801): The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves;...
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:45 pm | #
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But I guess you guys will have to wait for the election of 2016 (presuming you're both natural-born citizens).
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:47 pm | #
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fpotusahuss whats this stupidness about Republicans rigging and stealing elections?
I gues you miss the bit in Washington State and Wisconsin.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:51 pm | #
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Republicans have no problems winning elections.
Liberal Media Watcher | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 7:59 pm | #
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Oh im pretty sure we're both naturual born citizens, andby the way it was going to be theyears of 2028, 2032, or2036.
iF I ever ran for President, Iwont be running as young as 37 years old.
Who in Congress right now, or Senate, or Governors, would thinkabout running thatyoung?
Matt Blunt, thenewly elected governor of Missouri?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:05 pm | #
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We were both born here im sure if we both went tothe same high school.....LoL.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:06 pm | #
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But then again, IL has 21 electoral votes, and i dont know if it willgain, lose, or stay the same by then but thats about 2, or 3, or 4 censuses and redistrictings away.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:07 pm | #
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Remember Reagan used the age thing at 69 and Mondale was 56 in 1984 and he got trounced in the debates.
Reagan: Im not going toquestion the age or experience of my opponent, Mr Mondale.
(audience laughs)
Mondale: (smirks, then laughs.)
Rememberthat folks?
And that is age 56.
I know Reagan was 73 but still.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:10 pm | #
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If 73, is too old.
If 56 is too young in that comment.
What would 37 be?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:11 pm | #
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Yup, that Marxist Internet Archive has almost everything I cited (with the exception of Michael Harrington's book) and it has loads more. If I still have the patience for this kind of thing, I'm delighted to see that it has Kautsky's pamphlet on Terrorism or Communism. I've had Trotsky's reply to that for years (as of course do the Arhives) but never bothered to read through it because it's in the form of replying point by tedious point to Kautsky. Without Kautsky's original to read beforehand or to consult simultaneously, that's kind of silly and tiresome.
The URL is http://www.marxists.org/archive/
At some point, I'll annotate my list with the relevant URL's (although Haloscan only allows you to post so many links at a time), but here's a brief but telling one, Lenin explaining why he dissoved the Constituent Assembly (Constitutional Convention) at gunpoint:
The Constituent Assembly Elections and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat
In mockery of the teachings of Marx, those gentlemen, the opportunists, including the Kautskyites, “teach” the people that the proletariat must first win a majority by means of universal suffrage, then obtain state power, by the vote of that majority, and only after that, on the basis of “consistent” (some call it “pure”) democracy, organise socialism.
But we say on the basis of the teachings of Marx and the experience of the Russian revolution:
the proletariat must first overthrow the bourgeoisie and win for itself state power, and then use that state power, that is, the dictatorship of the proletariat, as an instrument of its class for the purpose of winning the sympathy of the majority of the working people.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:18 pm | #
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Ill tell you what it would be.
a 50 state landslide defeat and DC of my opponent beating me.
I currently have no preferences of whether i willrun as a Democrat or a Republican.
But i do know that noone would elect a 37 year old President, would they?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:19 pm | #
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By the way does anyonehere have any information on what kind of President Ulysses S Grant was? Im thinkinghe governed more from his War hero image, but im also thinking hegoverned as aradical conservative.
Imtrying to contrast him with Dwight D Eisenhower, who was a social moderate but international war hero hawk.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:27 pm | #
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The greatest American ever, Arthur Miller, is dead, may he rest in peace.
From NY-Times:
Arthur Miller, Legendary American Playwright, Is Dead
Arthur Miller, one of the great American playwrights, whose work exposed the flaws in the fabric of the American dream, died Thursday at his home in Roxbury, Conn. He was 89.
The cause was congestive heart failure, said Julia Bolus, his assistant.
The author of "Death of a Salesman," a landmark of 20th-century drama, Mr. Miller grappled with the weightiest matters of social conscience in his plays and in them often reflected or reinterpreted the stormy and very public elements of his own life: among them, a brief and rocky marriage to Marilyn Monroe and his staunch refusal to cooperate with the red-baiting House Committee on Un-American Activities……….
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Its also funny that Grant was president for the two terms that was 100 years before Richard M Nixon, who was originally vice president with Dwight D Eisenhower.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:28 pm | #
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T. Roosevelt was only 43 when elected Vice President, succeding to the Presidency six months later when Pres. McKinley was assassinated.
I guess you're shooting to beat McGovern's and Mondale's defeat margins. But you'd still be up against John Quincy Adams, winner of the sole (token) Electoral Vote not cast for James Monroe's reelection in 1820 (something about wanting to reserve the honor of unanimity to George Washington exclusively.)
And, hey, if James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin and George Washington thought that someone under forty was unqualified for the job, they would have made the minimum age 40, wouldn't they? Much of the Revolution was conducted by young men, and Madison himself was only 37 when he was Secretary to the Constitutional Convention (which may have needed young men and war veterans to stop Lenin's and Trotsky's Red Guards from storming and dissolving them.)
We know who the youngest Presidents are, but I wonder who the youngest serious Presidential candidate was?
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:31 pm | #
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Fuck Feingold.
Santorum in 2008!!!
RealAmerican | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:34 pm | #
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It's been said that Marilyn Monroe was a great admirer of The Great Emancipator, and that she saw Lincolnesque qualities in Arthur Miller when she married him.
Grant was weighed down by his office. His two big problems were corruption (by his friends and allies) and Reconstruction. Apart from the Golden Spike in the transcontinental railroad, I wonder how much opportunity he had for bold creative radicalism.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:36 pm | #
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Ulysses Simpson Grant (April 27, 1822 – July 23, 1885) was an American Civil War General and the 18th (1869–1877) President of the United States.
Though a successful general, he is considered by many historians to be one of America's worst Presidents and led an administration that was plagued by severe scandal and corruption. However, historians also agree that Grant was not personally corrupt; it was his subordinates in the executive branch who were at fault. Grant is criticized for not taking a strong stance against the corruption, and not acting to stop it.
Not as good of a President as i had thought (hoped.)
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:36 pm | #
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"Marilyn Monroe was a great admirer of The Great Emancipator, and that she saw Lincolnesque qualities in Arthur Miller when she married him."
Hey, maybe now Marilyn and Arthur can get back together!
RealAmerican | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:38 pm | #
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Yes, but will a drunken Joe DiMaggio and Frank Sinatra try to barge in and break them up?
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:44 pm | #
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A thought just popped into myhead. Does anyonethink that the descendants of all of ourdead Presidents (even the ones not talked about in the Media) Areon the Earth somewhere.
Surely there must bea descendant of the many generations after Thomas Jefferson, or James Madison, orin more recenthistory, FDR.
Surely there are still descendants of some ofthe Presidents that had children still on this earth.
But i dont believe George Washington had children did he?
He was married to a widow (i think.)
But imean some of the1800s and 1900s presidents not talked about alot because they faded and their names fadedinto obscurity.
Surely they have descendants somewhere still on thisearth, of all 43 men that servedin the office of President of theunited states.
But forget Ford, Carter, Clinton, and the two bushes.
We all know them.
And forget some of the more recent ones, because theirdescendants would probably still get media coverage (ala JFK LBJ etc.)
But going as far back as the descendants of someof the 1800s presidents?
Any thoughts on that folks?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:45 pm | #
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Although I agree with Arthur Miller's politics, I think the consciously-political parts of his work, although enlightening, are often the weakest, most didactic and most predictable.
On the other hand Willie Loman has to join that other travelling salesman, William Hickey (in O'Neill's The Iceman Cometh), as one of the two greatest creations of 20th century American drama.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:50 pm | #
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Maybe RealAmerican, maybe,
Had I only believed in God……
but in our fantasy everything is possible…….
prospectdog | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:51 pm | #
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James Buchanan (D, 1857-61) never married.
(Of course he still could have fathered someone.)
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:52 pm | #
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actually might wantto stop that at Herbert Hoover.
Starting at FDR, most everything is in the Modern Age, and we pretty much know where allof thedescendants are.
In Fact, I believe that James Roosevelt Jr is still around.
He was speaking about George W Bush's using of FDR to promote Social Security Privatization being wrong.
James Roosevelt Jr, son of James Roosevelt, son of FDR.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:55 pm | #
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Any American almanac, as well as countless web sites, will have a table of "Wives and Children of the Presidents" (or "First Ladies and children", etc.)
The World Almanac shows half a dozen childless Presidents:
Washington, Madison, Jackson, Polk, Fillmore, Wilson and Harding (although Harding might have had illegitimate issue with his mistress)
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:58 pm | #
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plus Buchanan
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:59 pm | #
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FDR
1882-1945 (died in office three months into his fourth term.)
James Roosevelt
1907-1991
James Roosevelt Jr belongs tohim.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 8:59 pm | #
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Coolidge's son died only within the last decade.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:00 pm | #
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And wasn't that Theodore Roosevelt IV who addressed the 2000 GOP Convention about conservation?
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:04 pm | #
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fdr
Go to that link and scroll to FDR's biography where it gives Education and Marriage in a section.
That pretty much gives his six children.
However, All 6 i see are dead, but their children most likely if any had children would still be alive i bet.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:06 pm | #
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Im not sure. It probably was.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:07 pm | #
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The grandson of one of the obscurer late-19th-century Presidents (I think it might have been Chester Alan Arthur) died as a penniless bohemian in San Francisco in the 1960's.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:07 pm | #
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The sad thing is 100 years after his TR was nominated for VP (1900) and President (1904) The Republican Party has totally lost their way of the values of Theodore Roosevelt.
How many anti-business Republicans are there now thatwould give a dimes worth what TR stands for (besides McCain or Hagel.)
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:09 pm | #
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Anyway, I should drag myself away from the keyboard & screen to see the outside world.
Check out the final 2004 returns at the Homepage below, if you're interested.
Bye.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:09 pm | #
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One of the newsweeklies spotlighted John McCainthough a few years ago and said that he would be interested in trying to launch a TR type movement in the Republican Party when he visited the boyhood home and area of TR on a tour.
Thats a good kind of Republican, That John Mccain.
He would bewilling to givethe Republican Party back their soul.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:13 pm | #
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TR was hardly anti-business, nor was he really anti-labor. But he was anti-socialist.
The term muckraker comes from his indelicate and pejorative comparison of investigative journalists who exposed all the ills and scandals of society to a man with a muckrake.
But TR was against the trusts, their misdeeds and their dangerous concentration of power.
And I think you're right: there aren't nearly enough Republicans today who are willing to stand up to those free-spending lobbyists for today's drug-makers, defense contractors, communications conglomerates and other counterparts to Standard Oil and U.S. Steel.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:15 pm | #
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I think the answer to Ron's question about how Gannon got credentials without deep investigation is that he got day passes that are issued to all kinds of writers for publication (the political editor of The Daily Nihilist and the government affairs reporter for Pig World) on the basis of keeping the press free, open and diverse.
Joining the White House Press Gallery on a permanent basis as a regular professional correspondent would have required more scrutiny.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:21 pm | #
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oh well, I dont believe anyone should be anti-business totally nor should they be anti-labor totally.
We need to just have moderate legislation that can promote labor-management harmony.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:23 pm | #
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However, the Republicans support the Taft-Hartley Act, and that disrupts labor and management relations and causes strife and bitterness.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:25 pm | #
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All this talk of Harold Ford and Barack Obama needs to be quelled. The only reason either of these two are even mentioned is because of the color of their skin, which should not matter in the least. Being black, white, purple, red, or yellow should not qualify you for anything, even though the Democrats insist that it should. I maintain that Barack Obama, with relatively few political accomplishments under his belt, is just lucky. He was an obscure state Senator in a large state who happened to win a primary and get a pass on the general election; that is luck, not political talent. While Congressman Harold Ford is a capable fellow and a far cry from liberal, it is silly to think that a southern state is going to elect a black Senator anytime soon. The people of the south are just not ready to do that. Finally, talk of any House member other than a speaker or leader of a party is absurd. I am not aware of any president going from obscurity in the US House to the presidency.
KentuckyRepublican | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:51 pm | #
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I have to agree with Kentucky Republican to an extent, even though that makes me crazy. Barack Obama is not qualified at the point to be the President or Vice-President of the United States. By the time the next election roles around, he will only have 4 years in a national office. That's not nearly enough experience.
That being said, the notion that he was lucky doesn't fly with me. He gave the best speach at either convention this year and is incredibly charismatic. He's got a great story that people can relate to, and judging by his speaches (since he doesn't have a voting record yet) he doesn't seam to be an extremist. He's got a lot of potential, but potential is a dangerous word.
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I still maintain that Barack Obama is just lucky. I might be charismatic and a great speaker, but a telented politician he is not. This can easily be seen when comparing Obama to Louisiana Congressman Bobby Jindal, who is a minority that has truly cut his own path in politics. A Rhodes Scholar, Jindal ran the state of Louisiana's health care system, then served as head of the state's university system, all while still in his 20's. After narrowly losing the Louisiana Governor race in 2003 due to prejudice, he easily won a US House seat and will most certainly run for another statewide office in the future, most likely the US Senate in 2008. Jindal got where he is from working hard and defying the odds. Obama just got lucky.
KentuckyRepublican | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:08 pm | #
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I meant to write HE might be charismatic...
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Also, someone mentioned Oklahoma Governor Brad Henry in an earlier post. I would argue that Henry is the most vulnerable of the fluke governors of 2002. He won his race with just 43% of the vote. That's pretty sad.
KentuckyRepublican | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:15 pm | #
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Actually a better black that might be a future rising star is Former Congressman JC Watts. It is said that he would likely be a contender to try for Oklahoma Governor if Brad Henry is politically vulnerable, but he hasnt hinted he is interested in thatquite yet. But its still relatively early as the Oklahoma Primary isnt until Middleof 2006.
Watts might just be what the GOP needs. Imagine if he could be accepting the Republican Nomination for President after two terms of Governor of Oklahoma, or if hewent on to join the Us Senate.
However, i dont fully estimate if hes interested andyou all could back me up onthat, but heleft the House because he wanted to spend more time in Oklahoma and his family.
Anyone think hewill ever still be interestedin political officein the future? IM sure hes quite young still yet.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:16 pm | #
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JC Watts will probably run for something again, but not until something arises that he can win easily, which may turn out to be the 2006 OK Governor's race. Watts originally promised to serve only three terms in the US House and ended up serving four. I think it bothered him that he broke his promise, and he also wanted to spend more time with his children. He left the US House in 2002, which means his children will be four years older in 2006 and he wouldn't have to travel to and from Washington as OK Governor. It's definitely a possibility, but I see Lieutenant Governor Mary Fallin challenging Brad Henry next year. Why she didn't run for the Senate instead of Tom Coburn I will never know.
KentuckyRepublican | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:22 pm | #
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Personally though every time i think of Brad Henry's name i think ofthe legendary railroader builder of the 1800s, John Henry.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:26 pm | #
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I mean steel driving builder.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:29 pm | #
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Then again, if Lt Gov Fallin passes on the 2006 Governor's race, she may very well consider the open Senate seat in 2008, which will most surely be vacated by Senator James Inhofe, who will be 74 years old. Another woman Lieutenant Governor that I am confident will end up in the Senate is Mississippi's Amy Tuck. If Thad Cochran retires in 2008 at age 71, she will probably throw her hat into the race.
KentuckyRepublican | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:29 pm | #
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"John Henry was a steel driving man".
An American folk hero, John Henry has been the subject of numerous songs, stories, plays and novels. Like other "Big Men" (Paul Bunyan, Pecos Bill, Iron John), John Henry was a mythic representation of a particular group within the melting pot of the 19th century working class. In the most popular story of his life, Henry is born into the world big, mean and strong as ten men. He grows to be one of the greatest "steel-drivers" in the mid-century push to extend the railroads across the mountains to the west. The complication of the story is that, in order to save money, the owner of the railroad buys a steam-powered hammer to do the work of his mostly black driving crew. In a bid to save his job, and the jobs of his men, John Henry challenges the inventor to a contest: John Henry VS. the Steam-Hammer. John defeats the Steam-Hammer in driving spikes, but in the process he suffers a heart attack and dies a martyr.
The story of John Henry was re-worked in a comic song by the songwriting duo The Smothers Brothers. In their version, John Henry takes on the Steam-Hammer and is narrowly defeated, but ends saying 'I'm gonna get me a steam-hammer too!'
The truth about John Henry is hidden from us, but legend has it that he was a slave born in Alabama in the 1840s and fought his famous battle with the sWhile he may or may not be a real character, Henry became an important symbol of the working man. Particularly important was his rejection of the classic "work ethic" so popular in the 19th century (and even today). The basic claim of the legend is that, even if you are the greatest worker that ever lived, management remains ambivalent to your health and well-being. They worked John Henry to death, and then replaced his men with a machine anyway. Because of this message, the legend of John Henry has been a staple of leftist politics, labor organizing and American counter-culture for well over one hundred years.
team hammer in West Virginia.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:33 pm | #
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Wont Haley Barbour run for reelection in 2007?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:40 pm | #
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Some say that he may be speculated for 2008 if hewins asecond term but there are two reasons to dispute that.
First, He comes from a Deep South state and i do not believethat we have elected a Deep South president (except Carter) in like over ahundred years.
and Secondly, Afterhe would win reelection in 2007, It will be too late to take up a presidential primary and caucus bid because November 2007 is the Mississippi Governors race and even if Haley Barbour wins a second term, He will only have two months to prepare to be January 2008 with Iowa and NH.
Look for him maybe in 2012, if he keeps his name visible and we do not have a GOP incumbent.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:43 pm | #
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Haley Barbour is the same reason Ernie Fletcher couldnt run from Kentucky (even if he wanted to) in 2008.
Same with the Democratic side and Kathleen B Blanco in Louisiana, buti dont believe she is presidential material or presidential age though now because she is born in 1942 anyways.
However, if they survive second terms, They could be speculatedfor Veep in 2008. And with or without that, maybe that would help them raise a profile for 2012 (minus blanco who will probably be tooold by 2012anyways.)
But remember folks, Im only second guessing all ofthis.
As i said , thelast president from the Deep South (GA MS AL LA SC) was Carter and before that there was never a Deep South President since before Reconstruction i believe. Correct me if im wrong.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:46 pm | #
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Of course, Barbour Blanco and Fletcher could jump in if they wantedto go against the will before their second term, but then they might not lookpolitically stable towin a second term becausethey abandoned the voters.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:49 pm | #
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Governor Fletcher will not run for President, but is likely to run for the US Senate in 2010 with one year left on his term as governor. That would elevate Lt Gov Steve Pence to the top job in the state, but he will be defeated in the primary if he runs in his own right. Even Republicans, including myself, are not fond of the Lieutenant Governor, and I would consider voting for a Democrat over Pence. I'd say Congresswoman Anne Northup will be governor in 2011.
KentuckyRepublican | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:50 pm | #
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Bythe way folks, Do not think that im saying that any of those three will run for President.
All i was saying is that because of aparticular governors race inthem three states happening so lateinthe Presidential nominating process, Itis hard to get agovernor of any party from those states to run for Presidentatall.
IM only speaking logically, not seriously. So dont take me serious that those threewould ever consider the White House. But Barbour has been mentioned once or twice (i think.)
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:57 pm | #
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in Fact you can say the same thing about all50 governors for two reasons but it dont mean a darn didley that they would run:
1. because they are in an executive type job like President.
and 2.because the last several presidents (except Ford and Bush SR) have been Governors.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 10:59 pm | #
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Yeah us senate is abetter option to move up to.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:00 pm | #
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In fact alot of Missouri's governors have ran for and/or won the top senate seats.
In fact both John Ashcroft and Kit Bond were originally Governors.
and Mel Carnahan, before he was killed, was trying to shake the Missouri political worldlike that upon theDemocratic side.
I think Missouri likes to send Governors to theUs Senate of both parties.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:04 pm | #
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Damn and i forgot Jim Talent, who did not become governor but lost a narrow close race.
I wonder if Matt Blunt is next.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:08 pm | #
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fpotusahuss...do you always talk to yourself?
Full of Bushit | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:28 pm | #
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Oh yes of course, i figure why the hell not? I meansurely someone will come right.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:29 pm | #
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Actually that reminds me I have to take off now anyways.
Goodnight folks.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 11:31 pm | #
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Who are the Dems planning on running against Talent?
Drayton | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 12:07 am | #
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Either Claire McKaskil or Joe Maxwell.
If Corey thinks that Dan Quayle beat Al Gore, then he's truely a lost cause. Quayle was an idiot, and our country was better off with him in the ash heap of history.
PROUD DEM | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 12:30 am | #
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...or on the potatoe pile of politicks...
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Scot's gone, but he's even righter than he knows.
I consider Arkansas to be, politically, in the Deep South, though toward the fringes, but even using my definition, there have only ever been three Presidents of the United States from my 6-state region (Ark, La, Miss, Alab, Ga & SC):
Bill Clinton (D-Ark, 1993-2001),
Jimmy Carter (D-Ga, 1977-81), and Zachary Taylor (Whig-La, 1849-50)
However there was one other American President from that region: Jefferson Davis of Mississippi (Pres of CSA, 1861-65).
There's always room to quibble over birthplace vs school vs home vs where your work was when you were elected (e.g., Davis & Lincoln were both born in Kentucky, Jackson was all over the place, Coolidge was born in Vt but became Gov of Mass., Wilson was a Virginian who became Pres of Princeton & Gov of NJ, Ike was a Kansan who was Pres of Columbia U in NYC when elected and Nixon moved at indeterminate times from Calif to DC to NY), but I don't find any other Deep Southern Presidents either before the Civil War or after.
My own list (subject to the kind of debate I suggested above) is:
[S & Border states; *succeeded from Vice-Presidency but never elected President; ¶ succeeded from VP and then elected Pres. in own right]
7 Ohio: Wm H Harrison, Grant, Hayes, Garfield, McKinley, Taft, Harding
6 New York: Van Buren, *Fillmore, *Arthur, Cleveland, ¶ TR , FDR
5 Virginia: Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, *Tyler, [Wilson]
4 Massachusetts: John Adams, JQ Adams, ¶ Coolidge, JFK
3 Tennessee: Jackson, Polk, *Andrew Johnson
3 California: Hoover, Nixon, Reagan
3 Texas: ¶ LBJ, Geo HW Bush, Geo W Bush
and one each from the following states:
Pennsylvania: Buchanan
Louisiana: Taylor
Arkansas: Clinton
Georgia: Carter
Missouri: ¶ Truman
New Jersey: Wilson [born in Va]
New Hampshire: Pierce
Illinois: Lincoln
Indiana: Benj. Harrison
Kansas: Eisenhower
Michigan: *Ford
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 1:19 am | #
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Mike_B, I remember that SNL sketch. It was AWESOME! Here's some of the "every eventualities" they covered for Tom Brokaw's vacation in 1997/8:
"Gerald Ford died today. He was 85."
"Gerald Ford died today. He was 86."
"Gerald Ford died today and the Eiffel Tower was blown up by terrorists."
"The dead body of Richard Nixon arose out of his grave and strangled Gerald Ford to death today."
"A pack of wild wolves devoured Gerald Ford today. He was delicious."
(a series of clicks in an African dialect, in case Gerald Ford dies and the USA is successfully invaded by Zimbabwe)
And I agree with fpotusa's praise of Wikipedia. It's great! I've been learning about religion from them for at least a couple weeks right now. For example, the Baptist Church traditionally believes in separation of Church and State. (Why don't today's Southern Baptist politicians seem to realize this?)
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Roger Williams (who helped found the first Baptist Church in America) sure didn't have much time for established churches after his experiences with the Puritan hierarchy in the Massachusetts Bay colony.
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On the bad side... Howard Dean is totally unpredictable.
On the good side... Howard Dean is totally unpredictable.
W | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:14 am | #
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If your talking about southern governors winning the presidency in 08, think Huckabee of arkansas and warner of Virginia. Barbour, that's funny, zip zero chance, no way ever, almost as funny as quayle beating gore in 2000. Speaking of quayle, if he was ever going to comeback he would run for gov of AZ in 06 but haven't heard a word.
p | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:44 am | #
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oh yeah, another thing, spencer abraham, former MI senator, energy sec, & harvard law grad, will be next supreme court pick.
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Quayle did beat Gore. Anyone could beat Gore; hell Hitler could beat him. Gore is just too boring, robotic and arrogant to win against a human. He couldn't even beat Bush, the living reversion of Forrest Gump in a debate or an election. It's because of Gore that Howard Dean lost the nomination. Gore will never enter politics again.
As for Bayh, he is going to be our next President. Comparing him to Muskie is ridiculous. Bayh is the only Dem who could attract southern and rocky mountain votes. If the Dems don't nominate Bayh, they are retarded.
Arch-Conservative | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:07 am | #
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I agree with SUNFLOWER 1 about Bayh-Lincoln in 2008. So what if Bayh isn't the most charasmatic guy around. He has the dual experience of serving as both Gov and Sen in a Republican state and speaks well to the middle. Same for Blanche. They are folks that we can refer to as "folks". I can't see people in general relating to Kerry, Dean, Hillary, etc. This is a DREAM ticket! (Not a nightmare)
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Happy Dean Day, everyone!
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:35 am | #
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Do any of you realize how close the Kaiser came to winning the war? Had the Russians been a little slower mobilizing, Welhelm would have had it in his pocket. The Schlieeffen plan could have worked because they could have put better generals and more troops in France, ones that would follow orders, ones that wouldn't move in front of Paris insted of enveloping it. They would have wiped the Brits and French out, then moved on to the Russians. With such a non-intervention feeling here, we wouldn't have jumped in. Europe would belong to the German Empire.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:43 am | #
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Not to mention Germany could have gotten the bomb far before we did. Many of the scientists on the Manhatten Project were German, some Jewish, some just anti-Hitler. With a Kaiser, who didn't persicute the Jewish people, the scieentists would have been happy to work with him. America could easily be conquerored.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:48 am | #
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Febuary 12th will forever be remembered as Dean Day, the day that Howard Dean took his place as DNCC. Look for a Fiengold/Dachle ticket in 2008.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:50 am | #
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In the spirit of Dem Dave, here is the political trivia question of the day...
What County in the United States was the Birthplace of four US Presidents?
If you can get that one, you can step up and try to answer this one:
Which member of the MASH TV cast had a grandfather that was Vice President of the US?
Full of Bushit | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:53 am | #
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The dream ticket in 2008 is either Bayh-Easley or Bayh-Nelson (Bill). Lincoln, although an extremely good choice, won't become the VP because she is a woman. Let's face it, America isn't ready for a female President/VP.
Arch-Conservative | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:54 am | #
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Ragnar, you're mixing your WW's, unless you're suggesting the Kaiser was close to getting the Bomb?
Full of Bushit | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:56 am | #
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FOB...
If the Kaiser won WWI, his empire wouldn't have fallen. If it hadn't, that means that, whoever was Emperor in th 30's would have had the capibilities to make the A-Bomb.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 12:05 pm | #
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What is a shame is that the main two women in politics are Condi and Billery.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 12:08 pm | #
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Ron,
What heppend to the Reform, Third, and Southern parties of North Carolina? They're not on your page anymore.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 12:21 pm | #
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Is it useually like this on a Saturday afternoon?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 12:24 pm | #
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Remember what I was saying yesterday about entertainment & politics being to mixed on the left?
In august the Nation Magazine had several people comment on what they wanted in the Dem platform
They included-
Howard Dean
George McGovern
Studs Terkel
Granny D
and Margret Cho?
dudeman5685 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 12:40 pm | #
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http://www.democracynow.org/arti...4/11/17/
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This is my URL from now on.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 12:42 pm | #
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Who the hell is Granny D?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 12:44 pm | #
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Controversy continues to rage over the fairness of the November 2 presidential election. Stories are still emerging from states like Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and New Mexico of widespread problems with vote counting, voter suppression and malfunctions of electronic voting machines. Now three candidates in the 2004 presidential race are demanding recounts. And not one of them is John Kerry.
This basterd is sitting on 50 Mil, plus his own cash, and there is corruption out the wazoo, and he's not doing a Gods-Damn thing about it?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 12:46 pm | #
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Democracy Now! is an independant, pro-democratic ideology (not pro-Democratic Party) news network that stands apart from the pack for being totally unbiased, and I say, more power to them!
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 12:49 pm | #
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Why Isn't Kerry Using $50M Unspent Campaign Money to Fund Recounts?
My question exactly.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 12:52 pm | #
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Vice President Edwards is back in town. I'm going to try and get in touch with him about Florida, Ohio, and Fifty Million Dollers.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 12:55 pm | #
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Ragnar as someone with such an mix of idealogies fueling your politics, I'm surprised you don't know who Granny D is. At 96, she certainly represents the old left in this country. She was just recently the Dem candidate ofr US Senate in NH and at the youthful age of 90 walked across the country to raise awareness about campaign finance reform. A quick goggle will give you more info.
Full of Bushit | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 1:01 pm | #
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Who was worse, Stalin or Hitler?
Hitler slaughtered eleven million people in horred death camps while imperially spreading his power throughout Europe.
Stalin, while paying lip-service to the ideology of Socialism and Communism, ruled as a Fascist Authoritarian, thus betraying Lenin, Trotsky, and the thousands who lost their lives fighting agenst the Whites for democrocy, Socialism, and freedom. He also worked countless people to death in Syberia for the most minor thing.
Okay, I think you can tell my choice, but what about you?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 1:13 pm | #
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You're right, I am supprised I've never heard of this woman. She sounds like Barbra Garson.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 1:15 pm | #
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Easley, Edwards, Gore, Biden, Liberman and Bayh seem to be the most favored among the NDN, Blue Dog Coallition, and Center Dems.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 1:25 pm | #
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(yawn)...
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 1:39 pm | #
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Good Gods, am I missing something here?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 1:59 pm | #
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So, back to my question...
Hitler or Stalin?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 2:01 pm | #
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What the hell?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 2:16 pm | #
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probably missed the answer but I believe MacLean Stevenson who played Henry Blake was a grandson of Vice President Adlai Stevenson
Stalin, he was our friend for awhile..that should be the tiebreaker.
Petedal | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 2:40 pm | #
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I just heard that the Iraqi election results will be held by or on tomorrows date and Bush's puppet Iraqi backed government is trailing a distant third and we just elected a government hostile to the Usa (in duetime eventually just watch out) so now what is Bush going to do?
the Shiites are going to be in power in Iraq, kick us out, and form a new threatening Islamo-Fascist regime in Iraq to join with the government of Iran.
Thank You Bush-Cheney for all that you have done - You have replaced a madman with a madman!
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 3:26 pm | #
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I don't know about the United Iraqi Alliance being madmen but it would not be wrong to label them as not particularly friendly to the U.S.One of the planks of their platform was to arrange for the timely withdrawal of American forces.Another is to assure the primacy of Islamic law.Ah for the days when Don Rumsfeld was assuring his there was no chance such a government would come to power in Iraq.BTW,has Rumsfeld been right about anything connected to Iraq?
Cynical Cid | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 3:57 pm | #
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I've always been sceptical to scorching about this whole escapade, but we really do have to wait and see what the results show. If the most militant Shi'ite Islamicists are outnumbered by the Kurds, secular Shi'ites and whatever Sunni elements did get elected, and those elements can work out some deal or modus vivendi, then the situation might look rather different.
But it's really too early to speculate.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:14 pm | #
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While Ragnar was the only person on the board, I thought what a perfect opportunity to retrieve and post the hyperlinks to that debate over Leninism to which I referred yesterday.
I couldn't find a free source for Bertrand Russell's Theory & Practice of Bolshevism, although there's a paid-subscription service called Questia which has the book, together with Dudman's favourite ex-Socialist, John Spargo, at http://www.questia.com/popularSearches/
bolshevism.jsp
Haloscan doesn't let you put more than a couple of hyperlinks in one post, so here's the beginning of my list, arranged in roughly chronological and logical order. All of the authors were left-wing, anti-war socialists or communists. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the anarchist contributions to this debate, although I'm sure that several of the readers here are.
(1) Leninism or Marxism? (Organizational Questions of the Russian Social-Democracy), by Rosa Luxemburg
(2) The State and Revolution, by V.I. Lenin
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:20 pm | #
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[biblio on bolshevism, part 2]
(3) The Dictatorship of the Proletariat, by Karl Kautsky
(4) The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky, by V.I. Lenin
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:23 pm | #
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Told ya so.
Like I said, either a millitant Sunni puppet of the US or a millitant Shi'ite sepretist.
Socialist MidEast Uprising!
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:23 pm | #
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[biblio on bolshevism, part 3]
All of these titles are at the Marxist Internet Archive (www.marxists.org/archive)
(5) Terrorism and Communism, by Karl Kautsky
(6) Terrorism and Communism: an answer to Karl Kautsky, by Leon Trotsky
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:25 pm | #
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[biblio on bolshevism, part 4 (last) ]
(7) The Constituent Assembly Elections and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, by V.I. Lenin
(8) The Russian Revolution, by Rosa Luxemburg —
"Freedom only for the supporters of the government, only for the members of one party -- however numerous they may be -- is no freedom at all. Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently. Not because of any fanatical concept of 'justice' but because all that is instructive, wholesome and purifying in political freedom depends on this essential characteristic, and its effectiveness vanishes when 'freedom' becomes a special privilege."
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:29 pm | #
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http://www.marxists.org/archive/...s-rsd/
index.htm
http://www.marxists.org/archive/...terev/
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http://www.marxists.org/archive/...prole/
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http://www.marxists.org/archive/.../prrk/
index.htm
Thanks, Dave, I'll have to read up on these. As I understood it, Lenin's argument for centralization was as a temperary, emergency mesure to help calm Russia and prepare it for Social Democrocy. Stalin took out the temperary and made the USSR a dictatorship.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:32 pm | #
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http://www.marxists.org/archive/...rcomm/
index.htm
http://www.marxists.org/archive/...torvs/
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http://www.marxists.org/archive/...1919/dec/
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http://www.marxists.org/archive/...ution/
index.htm
Oh ho, more goodies! Anything else?
So, Davie me boy, you think that the Soviet Union had no chance of success as a Socialist government?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:36 pm | #
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I see that this Blog has become a forum for communist sympathisers.
You guys seem to be lost in the wrong century.
W | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:37 pm | #
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When Corey comes back, I'd like to mention that Silvio O. Conte was a long-lasting Republican Congressman from a Democratic district in Western Massachusetts. He was first elected in 1958 and retired some time around 1990.
Also Rep. Claudine Schneider (R-RI) was elected in 1980 and served until 1990 when she was cajoled into a futile run against Sen. Claiborne Pell.
Rep. Ron Machtley took an open Democratic seat in RI in 1990 and quit to run unsuccessfully as the endorsed candidate in the 1994 GOP Governor's primary.
I haven't done extensive checking, but Rhode Island's two districts are not different enough that they (unlike individual towns) would show huge disparities in partisan voting patterns. So there it's been a long time since there's been a "Republican Congressional District" in the Ocean State. Rhode Island liked Ike and voted GOP with 48 other states in 1972 and 1984, but otherwise it's been Democratic since 1928.
Peter Blute and Peter Torkildsen were GOP Congressmen from Democratic Districts in Massachusetts who unseated or eased out Democratic veterans Joseph Earley and Nicholas Mavroules in 1992 and won reelection in 1994, although not in 1996.
Massachusetts, which hasn't (except in 1984) voted GOP since Eisenhower, has elected a couple of other Republicans to Congress, such as F. Bradford Morse.
There have been several Republican Congressmen from downstate New York whose Districts voted Democratic, including John Vliet Lindsay and Bill Green.
And I think the same is true of Maryland Republicans like Connie Morella.
So, while I certainly defer to Corey's knowledge of his own part of Illinois, I wouldn't automatically count out Dem. Rep. Melissa Bean's reelection in Phil Crane's old district.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:45 pm | #
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The Leninist/Trotskyist ideal (as I understand it):
A single national party, with various inside caucuses that nominate canidates for all offices. The neutral leadership of the national party doesn't push any canidates. A constitution is drafted, based upon the internationalist, democratic, and Socialist-to-Communist ideology, which will be protected by an independant court.
At least, that's how I understood it.
Allow me some time to read these articals.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:46 pm | #
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And what proof do you have, W, that this is the right century?
Actually I'm an anti-communist, and reading those arguments when I was about 20 made it clearer to me why.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:49 pm | #
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DSD, I am just checking in briefly here.
Thanks for the info, but I do not see how the comparison holds to the old Phil Crane district.
Those New England Republicans, I imagine were all moderate to liberal Republicans who represented traditionally Republican districts in those times.
Melissa Bean is no "blue dog" and the district that she represents have been traditionally Republican for generations.
The most analogous circumstance for Bean is the 1994 victory of Michael Patrick Flanagan over Dan Rostenkowski.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:54 pm | #
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I'm a Democratic Socialist-to-Communist. TRUE Communism is a world-state-wide, classless, moneyless society. This society will not only take a world-state, which is daunting enough, but an evolutional step in human thought for it to be successful with no strings attached. As such, I'll stick with forming a DemSoc Nation first.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:55 pm | #
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And, Ragnar, to be honest with you, those arguments are more about multiple parties.
The more complicated discussion, embedded in very complex Russian history, about inner-party democracy and the ban on factions, essential to understanding whether a "single-party democracy" can ever be democratic in the real world, comes a bit later. If you go a bit further down the bibliographies you can see discussions about the Workers' Opposition and the Tenth Party Congress, and the writings of Alexandra Kollontai and Nicholas Bukharin (among others).
But I haven't been enough of a Russian history fanatic to delve very far into those documents.
Anyway, just as it's useful to read Lincoln and Madison themselves when you're studying American history, it's worthwhile to read the what the participants themselves were saying as opposed to some later Trotskyist, communist, social-democratic, liberal or conservative interpretation of the events and parties.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:57 pm | #
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I just want to announe that I must be one of the most devoted Republicans anywhere in America.
I got up extremely early on a Saturday morning to attend a Republican Precinct Captains' Meeting at 8:30 am today. ( I don't even start work, M-F, until 9 am)
After that meeting, there was a candidates' forum for all the local nonpartisan municipal, school board, library, park district, community college, etc. races that will be on the April 5th ballot here.
Our township races are partisan with an official Republican slate facing off against the slate put up by the Democrats (which they claim is bipartisan because they slated a couple of Republicans)
After about three hours, I finally had enough and left, although I imagine the candidates' forum had at least two more hours to go.
Man, this format was quite interesting. In local politics, you really get down to feuds, etc. and candidates yelling at each other, and citizens yelling at candidates, and candidates even yelling at citizens.
I guess that's what local democracy is about though.
Corey | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 4:59 pm | #
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What Rosa seems to be discribing is Stalins nation, a millitant, facist dictatorship that only got involved in outside politics when they invaded a neighbor. The diffrence between Lenin and Stalin is, Lenin was a temperary Centeralist while Stalin intended to stay in power.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:01 pm | #
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DEEEaaannN
tHE STUPID AMERICANS FINALLY HAVE THEIR MAN
PrinceEdwardIslander | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:07 pm | #
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Yes, Corey, most of those were liberal to moderate, although Blute and Torkildsen were far from flaming leftists.
I guess what you'd consider to be a fair analogy would be if one of the more conventional New Hampshire Republicans (like Gregg) had managed to get himself reelected continuously from a southern New England District.
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:07 pm | #
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i HOPE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY CAVES IN FOR THE SAKE OF ALL AMERICANS
THIS AMERICAN ARTICLE MADE ME SICK
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/
1...artner=homepage
PrinceEdwardIslander | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:08 pm | #
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VERMONT IS AS CLOSE TO CANADA AS IT COMES..
ROCK ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
PrinceEdwardIslander | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:09 pm | #
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PS FOR ANY LIBERALS WHO WANT BETETR COVERAGE OF THE IRAQI ELECTIONS...THE TORONTO PAPERS ARE DOING A GOOD JOB ILLUSTRATING HOW SUNNI THEOCRATS FARED VERY WELL
PrinceEdwardIslander | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:10 pm | #
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LIBERALS IN CANADA
DEMOCRATS IN THE US
AHHH THE SILVER LINING
PrinceEdwardIslander | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:11 pm | #
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When was the workers opposition?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:11 pm | #
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WHY DO MORE CONSERVATIFS THAN CENTRE-LEFTERS POST ON THIS SITE?
RON IS SO LEFTWING
PrinceEdwardIslander | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:12 pm | #
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AMERICA, AMERICA .
HOW STUPID ART THOU
PrinceEdwardIslander | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:13 pm | #
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Evenin' PEI. Still firing off anti-American Canadian-national sentiments, I see.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:13 pm | #
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Sorry, Dave, but, to be honest, a lot of what Rosa's saying in Section 1 is going over my head. I understand centeralization, but...
Looking at the matter from the angle of the formal tasks of the Social Democracy, in its capacity as a party of class struggle, it appears at first that the power and energy of the party are directly dependent on the possibility of centralizing the party. However, these formal tasks apply to all active parties. In the case of the Social Democracy, they are less important than is the influence of historic conditions.
The Social Democratic movement is the first in the history of class societies which reckons, in all its phases and through its entire course, on the organization and the direct, independent action of the masses.
Could you clarify?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:16 pm | #
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DAGMAAR....AMERICA HAS LOST ITS WAY
DO YOU LIVE IN NEW ENGLAND
PrinceEdwardIslander | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:16 pm | #
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WHAT HAS AMERICA DONE FOR YOU LATELY?
LOVE THAT BUSH BUDGET BY THE WAY
FUCK THE POOR
FUCK THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOUGHT AND DEFENDED YOU
FUCK THE ENVIRONMENT
FUCK FAMILY FARMS
FUCK AMTRAK AND MASS TRANSIT
FUCK WAR COSTS AND SOCIAL SECURITY
FUCK BALANCING THE BUDGET
PrinceEdwardIslander | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:18 pm | #
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NO PEI I LIVE IN DIXIE PURHAPS YOU SHOULD GET OUT OF CAPS LOCK AND SPELL MY NAME CORRECTLY
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:19 pm | #
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Dave - MA went for Reagan in 1980 as well as 1984. RI only in 1984
Moderate Mark | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:20 pm | #
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Although I'm critical of you, PEI, I do agree with you on some things, my Canadian Comrade. Especially on his budget.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:23 pm | #
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Anybody know anything about Hutchinson running for Gov. of Arkansas in the primary against Rockefeller. How likely is it that he gets in? If he gets in how would you handicap the race? Why wouldn't he try to run for the Senate instead? Seems more inline with his expertise and he'd be able to run against Prior who beat his brother. He'd have to wait two years I guess.
ziik | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:25 pm | #
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'sup, Ziik.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:26 pm | #
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I like Kay, she'd make a good governer.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:28 pm | #
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The MN Senate race is going to be awesome in 2006. Top DFLers and top GOPers. It would be an awesome fight if it were a Kennedy-Wetterling race. The race in the 6th between the two last year was nasty, especially the ads Kennedy ran against Wetterling. That turned a lot of people off on what he did to her. Wetterling is a champion of childrens rights and Kennedy just smeared her. Minnesotans do not like that. But do not forget, in MN we have the caucus system plus the primary. The caucus goers endorse a candidate, but the primary decides who the nominee will be. In 2000, the DFL endorsed Jerry Janezich but he finished third in the primary. In 1998, the DFL endorsed Freeman for Governor yet Skip Humphrey won the primary.
And to end this...Am I the only one who thinks Senator John Thune would make a good Presidential Candidate in 2008?
MNDem | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:30 pm | #
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How does Thune stand? On the issues, I mean, on the Social, International, and Economic issues?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:38 pm | #
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I think Sen. John Thune would make an excellent candidate for President.
Sen.John Thune | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:39 pm | #
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Ron, you put Joe Biden as a Mod-to-Lib? I'd say more center-right (socially centrist, economicly right-wing).
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:49 pm | #
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Not in 2008. I think he should stay in the Senate and build upa record and credibility and run in 2012 or some future election after that.
But I too think John Thune would make an interesting presidential or vicepresidential candidate, for he has the Midwest Republican values that we all love to see in someone.
And he will spew that to America if elected.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:50 pm | #
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Eh, Dave, you still in?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:50 pm | #
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By the way I guess i was right last year when i said here last summer that Stephanie Herseth and John Thune would be the two new attractive South Dakota Midwest faces in Washington DC.
Goodbye Daschle.
Goodbye Diedrich.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:51 pm | #
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Scot, what does fpotusahuss mean, man?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:52 pm | #
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What is with bloggers at this site giving new representatives senators and governors a face for the White House as early as 2008, especially in their young age and young youthful experience and seniority.
Last night, the same thing was saidby someone of Harold ford Jrof Tennessee.
Yet Ford is so young an inexperienced hewould never make it out of a Democratic Primary for President,let alone ageneral election.
Give TN the chance to let him be representative for his corner of Memphis, then let him move to theSenate , or Governor, if hechooses that in thefuture. And then let him decide on President in lets say 2024.
God, Young people dont get elected in this country to President. We have too many conservative minded votersthat wants you to be old and experienced, above 50 for sure butmore around 60 on the average.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:55 pm | #
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The Dash, like Edwards, will return, if not in Senate, than as President/Veep.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:56 pm | #
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I agree. No more Obama for President till, like, 2012, 2016, or 2020.
(Hey, that can be his campaign. "Obama in 2020: A Clear Vision.")
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 5:58 pm | #
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I think i clarified before what my name stood for for it is an acronym for fpotusahuss20321979.
FUTURE PRESIDENT OF THE USA "HUSS" (MY LAST NAME MEANING I WOULD BECOME PRESIDENT HUSS,FOR SHORT IF ELECTED) 2032 1979.
2032 IS THE YEAR I DESIRED TO RUN, but no longer have the capable feel to ever run. However, I may actually descend on becomeing a Senator or Representative, or Governor, of Iowa or Illinois , or Missouri if i choose that, and then let my future son live out my legacy to the White House in the future if he so desires and if he so runs and/orwins.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:00 pm | #
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Obama is a Senator, and i dont know how clear Senators will ever win the White House.
However, if Obama were paired with a Governor in 2020.
SPITZER-OBAMA 2020.
now thats more likeit!
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:01 pm | #
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I assume 1979 is the year of your birth?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:03 pm | #
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After all, Spitzer is a shooin for Governor in 2006 in NY no matter what.
Giuliani though howeverwould become the only one that could beat him, though.
And I like Rudy.
Even i wouldsupport Rudy, butnot Pataki, over Spitzer.
Spitzer is a shooin and the next Governor of NY.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:05 pm | #
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yes 1979is the year of my birth.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:05 pm | #
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Scott, were you ever a member of a radical movement?
Socialist?
Communist?
3rd Party?
Libertarian?
Anarchist?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:08 pm | #
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I kind of now dislike the idea of running as a Democrat in Illinois myhome state because the mayor of Chicago's father, He built up this powerful political machine that is so entrenched to thisday built inside theDemocratic Party of IL.
I dont know if i would desire to run as a Republican in IL and be like Abraham Lincoln for sure.
I might.
But only if they changed their ways, just a bit.
IL is a moderate minded state, not conservative or liberal.
However, I would entrence the Republicans Of Illinois back to the values of Lincoln. The real valuesof Lincoln, and when they go tothem Lincoln Dinners theyhold , They willreally believe in Abraham Lincoln again, even for Gays, the next groupthat deserves rights in society.
However, Im thinking that i may run in Iowa or Missouri more because i'd like to run as a Democrat and i dont want to become part of thecorrupt Chicago machine, and if i be like the current Democrat governor in IL or the last one, and pursue anti-machine politics, I dont think that that willhelp me any. It might, but it might not. However governors like Rod Blagojevich or Dan Walker that do that usually if you win by doing that you wouldlookgood for the White House, but like Walker, I dont know ifyoull succeed.
Blago is just taking a risk and i dont know if hewill succed either.
The IL Democrats are so entrenched into the Chicago machine.
There is a Democrat state senator froma rural downstate district, John Sullivan, who represents a Republican stronghold that defeated a longtime state senator Republican on the western IL border that also represents Quincy, Macomb and Monmouth that is also against the Chicago political machine raising taxes and he votes more like a conservative democrat.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:13 pm | #
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HOwever my NEWS88 group is going to be built into a media firm that will eventually be moved to Inner City Chicago for the perhaps of starting a big TV radio press orinternet media firm nationally if i socan do that.
Maybe that willhelp me gain points inside the Democrats inIL.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:15 pm | #
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Here here!
A Liberal GOP vs. a Liberal DNC.
Good times...
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:16 pm | #
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Actually, i have really thought of the Libertarian Party because i think that the Democrats should become Progressive Left Libertarians, Republicans Radical Right Libertarians, and that we should build up the Libertarian Party as the third movement as Centrist Moderate Libertarians.
The Libertarians have caught my eye.
Democratic Freedom Caucus
Republican Liberty Caucus
Libertarian Socialists
Libertarian Party
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:17 pm | #
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In fact i would also really like to build upthe real anti-communist Socialist Party Usa that was startedby Eugene Debs andmake that a Socialist Libertarian Party.
Alot of what they stand for may be somewhat equivilent to big government, socialist leftpolicies.
But they also stand for local control
and if that isnt Libertarian, then whatis?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:20 pm | #
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Libertarian Socialists? Not like those asswipes at Overthrow.com, right? The less-government DemSocs, not for government control but for worker control.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:21 pm | #
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No not like Overthrow . com.
More like the SP-Usa founded by Social Democratic Leader Eugene Debs.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:24 pm | #
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Merge the Socialist Party USA and the Democratic Socialists of America, and form them into a LibDemSoc Orginization, and you'll have the makings of a powerful party. Not the Social Democrats, though. Too moderate, won't be able to excite the Socialist vote. Throw in the Greens, too.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:25 pm | #
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If you look at their platform (PDF FORMAT) you can clearly see that alot of it is socialist liberal left policies, but that they advocate libertarianlike local control.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:26 pm | #
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Ragnar, So do you support Spitzer for Governor of New York?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:31 pm | #
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Mabey add in Reform, too.
That would make them anti-Washington, outsider, Libertarian Socialists. That could make a powerful 3rd, something this nation needs.
Mabey this Libertarian Socialist party could join forces with the Bullmooses, making an even more powerful Third.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:32 pm | #
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In the first place, I dont believe in overthrowing our government,and definitely not our Constitution.
Thats why i wouldnt believe in a group that advocates the name overthrow in overthrow.com.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:33 pm | #
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I like Spitzer, I like Pataki, I like Gulliani. However it turns out, it's good for NY, so I'm more in support of the Socialist or Socialist Equality canidate.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:35 pm | #
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however, Bush advocates overthrowing our Constitution for aRelgiious theocracy ran by hisloonies on the far religious right and radical right bingeof Society.
and he has totally tookthe Republican Party away from their core Republicanism values.
The Republican Party, or theGOP, must stop this outrageous nonsense.
We must get the Republican Party back to Federalist Republicanism.
Conservative, Liberal,whatthe hell ever. just getit back to real republicanism. Otherwisethey might as well change their name to something that resembles a theocracy.
I am scaredto death for the current state of the Republican Party into the future if they dont change their ways back.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:36 pm | #
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Overthrow claims to be Libertarian Socialist, but they support Hitler and hate Jews and Gays. They're facist.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:38 pm | #
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Spitzer and Gulliani are the closest to my ideals.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:39 pm | #
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Where will the Constitution and the Bill of Rights be by 2009, and where will they be by thetime all of Bush's Constituational power is installed into our Courts?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:40 pm | #
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Working Familys and more moderate members of Socialist Workers fit the bill.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:42 pm | #
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Ialso believe that the Republicans better and will need to take their party back from the corrupt and evil Bush Family and Carlyle Group.
I felt the best way to do that was to nominate someone like John McCain.
McCainwould give the Republicans back their soul.
Or Hagel.
Or someone other than them like Lugar.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:44 pm | #
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That's why I argue for either democraticly elected or court appointed CJs. I strongly support an independant court, breaking away from the Federal and Represinitive Government. Although, if one of the other branches had to be in charge, I'd rather it be Congress.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:45 pm | #
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or someone like Mike Huckabee the governor of Arkansas.
Maybe even Matt Blunt, the governor of Missouri. Buthe might be tied too much to Roy Blunt his father.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:46 pm | #
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Im so sick and tired of hearing Rangnar Danashold go on and on about this Socialist bullshit.
Ragnar Danashold if you so interested in Socialism go to Cuba or North Korea and see how you like it there Ok!
But stop with the Socialist Workers, Russian Revolution bullshit.
Me2 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:46 pm | #
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Petedal, you are right. MacLean Stevenson who played Henry Blake in MASH was a grandson of Vice President Adlai Stevenson (1892) and 1st Cousin to 2 time Dem Nominee Adlai Stevenson.
As for the US county that is the birthplace of 4 presidents...that would be Norfolk County in Massachusets. The two Adams, JFK and George HW Bush. Bush's father Prescott moved the family to CT when HW was a baby.
Full of Bushit | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:46 pm | #
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I guess the Blunts and the Carnahans are the only families that can win statewide or districtwide in Missouri.
Guess youcant win in Missouri unless your last name is Blunt or Carnhan, particularily statewide offices.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:47 pm | #
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Ragnar Danashold if you so interested in Socialism go to Cuba or North Korea and see how you like it there Ok!
Neither of these nations are Socialist. There isn't an Ideological Socialist country on this planet, and their hasn't been since the death of Lenin.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:52 pm | #
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How come a county in Massachusetts is the birthplace of 4 Presidents and Republicans hate "massachusetts liberals."
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:53 pm | #
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fpotusahuss that is false. There have been many people that have been elected statewide without the name of Blunt or Carnahan
Me2 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:54 pm | #
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hasnt anyone thought it through that there might be something goodin Massachusetts if it can breed the best?
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:54 pm | #
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Ted Kennedy.
John Kerry.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:55 pm | #
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There are economicly socialist nations, like the EU, India, and Vietnam. N. Korea has a Fascist Economy, mistakenly called a "Communist" Economy here. It is run by a Fascist dictator, Kim Jong Il. Cuba is turning Socialist, although there is still no democrocy.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 6:57 pm | #
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Look, I'd love to talk, but pizza's here.
Be back to see your capitalist backlash.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:00 pm | #
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Kennedy is liberal, but Kerry is not.
The Republican lie was was that Kerry was liberal, when almost every issue did not enchanthim to aliberal formula.
Thats how they lied through their teeth to win.
By accussing people of being what theyre not, but if it takes a liberal to balance the budget, then we needone in the White House.
No Republican has ever balanced the budget in over 40years since Eisenhower.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:03 pm | #
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Is that how you are rationalizing Kerry's loss? Get your head in the real world, man.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:04 pm | #
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Kerry is more of a Leftleaning Libertarian, but he most certainly is not liberal.
Neither is Howard Dean.
I hope someday that i myself can get into the public eye, for i will give hell to people wholie.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:05 pm | #
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Anyways, I have to run. but just remember one thing, It isnt over until the fat lady sings.
Goodnight folks.
fpotusahuss20321979-Scot | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:08 pm | #
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Dean would have had much more of a chance to beat W, merely due to his rating by the NRA. The Dems have proved that they have their head in the sand and are disconnected with main-stream America by not recognizing this simple fact.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:09 pm | #
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Gunner...the Kerry would have beat W if he had a better NRA rating...now eho's head is not in the real world?
Full of Bushit | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:18 pm | #
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But Kerry had an "F" rating, and Dean did have an "A" rating. What are you talking about?
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:27 pm | #
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The Bullmoose Bolshivik is Back, Baby.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:30 pm | #
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Any soldiers out there?
Just curious, what kind of stuff do you take?
Like Vaccines or other things. Do Soldiers take Steroids?
Serious question.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:43 pm | #
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An oath: to defend the USA against all enemies domestic and foreign.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:44 pm | #
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Gunner I've got to run but, as a bleeding heart liberal who worked very hard to defeat W, even if Kerry had an A from the NRA he was still a weak candidate and no great NRA rating would have pushed him over the top.
Full of Bushit | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:45 pm | #
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If it was as close as the Dems say, it certainly would have. Not all gun owners are Republicans, you know.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:47 pm | #
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The Three Powers that will Overtake the US in the Near Future.
China: The ultimate Capitalist economy. Though the Politburo and Chinese Communist Party's continued lip service to Socialism and Communism, it is the best place to open up a business.
India: A strong small business free market and government controled major industires. This means the government makes money and has it's neccisary supplies while a small business market opens up trade.
European Republic: A perfict blend of Mega Economy and Micro Economy.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:47 pm | #
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Confederal Group of the European United Left-Nordic Green Left or EUL/NGL
Political party in the EU
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:55 pm | #
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GAVIN NEWSOME ESPOUSES CANADIAN VALUES...
HE BLASTED BLOOMBERG BIGTIME
NEWSOM 2008
PrinceEdwardIslander | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:56 pm | #
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fuck america....bunch of pusses.
PrinceEdwardIslander | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:58 pm | #
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VIA RAIL in Canada kicks ass. Amtrak is such a shitty deal
PrinceEdwardIslander | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 7:59 pm | #
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Canadian chicks are so easy... just a few dollar bills and they'll do whatever you want.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:02 pm | #
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why cant america do mass transit???
what is going to happen to the death penalty in NY? is abolishing around the corner?
PrinceEdwardIslander | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:02 pm | #
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fuck america....bunch of pusses.
And at the same time, you call us war-mongering thugs and the bullies of the world.
So which is it, pussies or toughies?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:03 pm | #
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pussy men...u guys love to fight...but yet ur populace wont support mass casualties
PrinceEdwardIslander | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:03 pm | #
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Why can't Canadians do anything besides cut lumber, play hockey, and drink beer? They even have to come to the US to see a doctor.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:04 pm | #
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we enjoy a higher quality of living with more government plusses..
americans suck
PrinceEdwardIslander | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:05 pm | #
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You know how many Canadian nurses I know? They have to come to the US to get a job, all the way to Texas and Louisiana.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:05 pm | #
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too bad for Canada men, the nurses are really hot. Of course, the "men" in Canada are all homos, anyway, or they wouldn't have let them go.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:06 pm | #
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I'll bet your daddy is an American, if you even know him.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:07 pm | #
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Think I'll sit this out. More enertaining to watch you two nationalist go at each other.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:08 pm | #
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Rags, he/she/it is NOT Canadian.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:13 pm | #
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It?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:17 pm | #
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Could be a "Shim", a "he-she", a "tranny". Everybody knows real Canadians wouldn't be home blogging when there's beer and ale to drink - on a Saturday night.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:20 pm | #
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"tranny"
I don't want to know.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:25 pm | #
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transexual. You know, they get their innie made into an outie, or vice-versa. There, now you know. As a young guy, who appears to have a liberal leaning, I'm surprised you didn't know that.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:28 pm | #
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I've never heard the term. I know about trans, I've just never heard it termed "tranny."
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:32 pm | #
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If you could go back in time and change one major part of history, what would you do?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:34 pm | #
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relatively recent - I think it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if JFK was not assasinated.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:38 pm | #
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Me? I'd go to Russia, 1910 or 1915, and I'd take an AK-94 and a couple of Desert Eagles, and I'd blow Josef Stalin away. I can see no evil coming from his death.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:45 pm | #
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So, what would you do? Stop Lee Harvey, even though he didn't do anything? Wait by the grassy knole? What would you do to stop it?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:46 pm | #
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That part's not important. I think the important part would be to see how the cold war & Vietnam played out with Kennedy at the helm instead of Johnson.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:48 pm | #
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Icing Uncle Joe would be simple. In the ninteen-teens, he was a minor official on a local scale or a clerk in Moscow. He wasn't very popular, and he hadn't nestled up next to Lenin. He had no bodybuards. That way, I don't have to worry about taking any innocents life. Only Stalin dies.
I know this is a very millitant and uncharacteristic of me, but oppertunities like that don't come along very often.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:54 pm | #
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Also, if Hitler had not been elected Chancellor, and come to power. Or if the South had won the "War of Northern Aggression".
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:56 pm | #
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Actually, more personally, I wonder how my life would be different if I had made different choices at the crossroads of my life. Of course, you don't recognize them as crossroads until later down the road....
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:58 pm | #
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On the contrary, that part is quite important. You have to stop it somehow, you can't just think about it.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:58 pm | #
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Yea, that 20/20 hindsight. Sucks, doesn't it.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:00 pm | #
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It's a moot point - you can't change history, unless you have a time machine you're not telling me about. Details.... MOST of the time, they're not too important, in the big picture. They are VERY important in your personal life, though.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:00 pm | #
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Most of all, I regret not taking advantage of the opportunities when they presented themselves to me.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:05 pm | #
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Of course, if the Maine had not been blown up in Havana harbor, Spain might still be a presence in Cuba, the Russians might not have tried to put missiles there, and the cold war would have progressed much differently.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:07 pm | #
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If you traveled back in time to do some history changeing event, that would become part of your personal life.
How you got to whatever time isn't important, since, with our current technology, it is impossible. What you do when you get there is the very essance of what happens.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:07 pm | #
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Especially to do a french manicure on my toes
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:08 pm | #
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Then I would only observe, unless I was witnessing some tragedy that I could actually prevent. I don't think I could live with my conscience if I didn't act to save someone, even if it meant changing the future in an uncertain way. For example, taking out John Wilkes Booth before he assasinated Lincoln.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:11 pm | #
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I see PEI is impersonating me...
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:11 pm | #
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Had von Moltke not fucked up the Schlieffen plan, Brittan, France, Russia, and purhaps the US would be under the Kaisers rule.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:14 pm | #
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And if South Vietnam had not had a cluster in a battalion rotation, perhaps all of Vietnam would be a capitalist country.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:16 pm | #
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What if we had turned down the Louisiana Purchase?
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:17 pm | #
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OK I'm gone too.
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:25 pm | #
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Through my assassination of Stalin, I'd save millions of lives in Russia and in Germany.
Other "Hads..."
Had Chaing Kai-shek not stoped short of Harbin, China might be divided or Nationalist.
Had Hitler not backstabbed Stalin and insted invaded the Mideast, the world might be giving the "Sieg Hail."
Had Charlemaign surrendered or made peace with the Arabs in 774, we might be 300 years ahead of what we have, technologicly, now. Let me explain: The Arabs, at that time, were scientific masterminds and the most religiously and racially tolerant people on earth. Had Charles the Great accepted the peace tretey, the Turks wouldn't have overrun the Arabs, the Dark Ages would have ended, the old Pagen faiths would have been perserved, and science would have stayed at it's top.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:28 pm | #
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Sorry it took so long, Comrade. Come back!
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:30 pm | #
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What if the Newbough Conspiracy succeeded?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:32 pm | #
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Yo...
Anyone here...?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:59 pm | #
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does anyone here read little green footballs
harry | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:59 pm | #
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King George, First of the House of Washington, High Lord of the Kingdom of America
Possible heirs to the throne:
Martha Washington the II
Alexander Hamelton
John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 10:05 pm | #
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does anyone here read little green footballs
Excuse me? What in Dana's Holy Name are you talking about?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 10:07 pm | #
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Seriously, what the hell are "little green footballs", and how do you read them?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 10:13 pm | #
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Harry, honestly, if you're going to make some outrageously confusing statement, you've got to at least explain it.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 10:19 pm | #
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Fine then, come in, babble out a line of nonsince, and then book out of town.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 10:24 pm | #
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Hello...
Hello...?
I'm so lonely...
(wimper)...
(owl hoots)
What was that...
(ninja attack)
"Kuaii! Hunshi!"
Back, you knaves! Away I say!
(ninja cries fade as they run into the distance)
Ha! That will teach you, you bits of wayward marl!
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 10:42 pm | #
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(a Russian and German voice approach, having an intince argument)
What ho? Stalin and Hitler! I must act to save our future!
(swords clash, many kung fu sounds are made, and broken machinegun fire is heard. There is the thud of a body falling, followed by the shick of a knife into the back and a gurgle)
I have now saved the free world from utter distruction once again!
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 10:48 pm | #
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If I was to go back in time and kill someone, I'd kill:
Josef Stalin
If I was to go back in time and save someone, I'd save:
Bobby Kennedy
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:09 pm | #
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ragnar u around?
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:11 pm | #
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Sup, DI04.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:20 pm | #
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http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog...=38340&
pageno=6
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:21 pm | #
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how u doin today
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:21 pm | #
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Board. Tired. Thoughtful.
Hey, DI04, if you could go back in time and change one thing in history, what would you change? Not something personal, like not asking that girl out or not punching that thug out, but something historic.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:24 pm | #
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so wat do you think about the election of dean as the chair of the dnc?
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:25 pm | #
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the death of hitler would be number 1 on my list
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:26 pm | #
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that and something maybe about helping the civil rights process move along faster
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:29 pm | #
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Dean is a good leader. He'd make FDR proud. He's not on his level, of course, but few men have gotten as close.
Stalin on mine. I'd kill the wretched little worm before he got anywhere close to power, while he was still a small-time clerk for the party in Moscow. With him out of the picture, Trotsky would have taken Russia, and the world would not have lost millions of lives in the German concentration camps, Russian gulags, and the fields of World War Two.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:30 pm | #
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amen
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:32 pm | #
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OBAMA/FORD 2008!!!!
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:32 pm | #
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on a more minor note i would have made sure that all the votes were counted and 2000 would have went the other way if i could
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:33 pm | #
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now u no that obama ford is unfeasible in 08 right
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:33 pm | #
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Of course I do. But one can dream
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:34 pm | #
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Either convincing Lee to run for the Confederate Presidency (thus freeing the slaves and giving them a good leader to free Dixie) and stopping John Wilkes Booth from assassinating Lincoln in case of a Union victory (thus preventing the most racist and anti-Southern president we've ever had, Johnson, from assuming power, making things better for all southerners).
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:34 pm | #
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Ford will be the next Senator from Tennessee.
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:34 pm | #
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i wish but i doubt he can succeed frist...tenessee is a conservative state with one "metropolitan" area, memphis, and what do you know where is ford from
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:36 pm | #
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And Kwesi Mfume will be the next Senator from Maryland
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:37 pm | #
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lee wasnt an abolitionist was he? i believe he owned his own slaves isnt that correct?
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:37 pm | #
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He's mod to lib, he's charismatic, comes from a good history, and does well in DC. TN elected another Dem like that (except for the charisma) in 1990 by the name of Al Gore. I think 2006 is the year
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:39 pm | #
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i was very distraught about the 2004 election, but now I'm looking forward to 2006, and a great Democratic victory nationwide.
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:40 pm | #
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2006 is shaping up like its gonna be a tough year we are gonna have some major spots vulnerable
nelson, nelson, open minestota seat, kent conrad, and others
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:40 pm | #
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He inherited slaves, yes, but he, along with Longstreet and Jackson, were strong anti-slavery advocates.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:40 pm | #
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look really the only spot we can take is santorum, unless mark warner runs we have no shot in virginia
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:41 pm | #
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thats quite interesting ragnar, do u like william tecumseh sherman?
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:42 pm | #
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im gay
Gunner | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:42 pm | #
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NC Bullmooses, in '06 or '08, will start running canidates for Congress. We're gonna take on Dole, too.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:43 pm | #
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would easlely ever consider running against dole?
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:45 pm | #
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Sherman was the first person to commite an act of total war in modern history.
May I remind you that total war was what got us into the First World War.
Ignore the fake Gunner.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:46 pm | #
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its funny just how much people in georgia still hate that man
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:48 pm | #
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Mabey, although I think he has White house ambitions. He's going to be going for the Dem nomination, I can tell. He'll be popular with the moderates. Gore, Bayh, and Easley look like the Center's best bets for '08.
Why Isn't Kerry Using $50M Unspent Campaign Money to Fund Recounts?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:50 pm | #
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I'm not worried about FL's Nelson. I think the GOP just overestimates their popularity, and this can backfire. For instance, the last year the Dems made great improvements was the 2000 elections, because of the public's disdain with Congressional Republicans over Lewinsky-gate. The GOP actually believed the public would support them. Instead, the public overwhelmingly supported Clinton, and felt the trial was appalling and a waste of time. And the Dems made great strides that year
It'll happen again. The GOP will get too arrogant, do something to piss off America, and the Dems will be victorious again. Just wait
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:51 pm | #
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i wonder two but even if he won the recount which he wouldnt he wouldnt become the president because the results have already been certified you cant overturn them
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:51 pm | #
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I live in NC and I hate the man, too.
Who sung "99 Red Ballons?"
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:52 pm | #
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hey kansas i can only hope
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:52 pm | #
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hey kansas i hear some nice things about your governor...does she have any ambition to run for senate?
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:53 pm | #
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She hasnt given much indication for further office, but I definately see amibition in her. She might get a cabinet post in a future Democratic administration
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:55 pm | #
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which seats do u think the dems can pick up in 06
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:56 pm | #
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...unless you found some fraud in the state. A recount in Kerry's favor would put him in the White House.
Even if he didn't, exposing Bush would get him impeached at least, and if it didn't, he'd be too afraid to do anything in his second term.
Controversy continues to rage over the fairness of the November 2 presidential election. Stories are still emerging from states like Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and New Mexico of widespread problems with vote counting, voter suppression and malfunctions of electronic voting machines.
Now three candidates in the 2004 presidential race are demanding recounts. And not one of them is John Kerry.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:56 pm | #
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Dems can take PA, MT, VA (if Warner ran), TN, and MO
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:58 pm | #
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i believe he is not because he still has political aspirations and may run for president once more in 08 and he doesnt wanna look like a sore loser
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:58 pm | #
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i dunno about MT and MO thats kinda of a reach...i know about the story of montana with the governor, senate, and house but still
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 11:59 pm | #
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I wish VA let their gov have 2 terms. Or at least gave them a 6 year term
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:00 am | #
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DI04 and LK, what are your views and what are your faiths?
DI04, where do you live?
I ask everyone these questions. Just an independant study of enviroment.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:01 am | #
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Conrad Burns is not popular or likeable in Montana. He has already broken a term-limit promise. The voters in MT will throw him over.
And Talent has nothing his name would indicate. He's as bland and useless as decaffeinated coffee. A strong Dem can unseat him
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:02 am | #
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Live: Lawrence, KS
Views: Democrat-Green
Religion: Agnostic
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:03 am | #
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If Kerry doesn't do anything, no dem is going to trust him. Even those who don't belive all this fraud say he was a poor choice.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:04 am | #
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Be a little more specific on those views, my Kansas Comrade.
Social?
Economic?
International?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:06 am | #
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i am a democrat
i am jewish
i will vote against santorum in 06 so thats where i live
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:06 am | #
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I believe in social progressiveness, economic fairness, and international peace and cooperation. And I'm am a strong STRONG environmentalist
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:07 am | #
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i am pro-choice, pro-enviro, against iraq war, against privatzing social security
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:08 am | #
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But I plan on moving to Colorado this summer.
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:10 am | #
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Could you be somewhat more specific, as well?
Who's running agenst Rick?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:10 am | #
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Does any DEM truly trust others amongst themselves?
It seems like most Democrats aren't on the same page ideologically so they end up making in-house deals without seeing the big picture.
When the real Dean emerges, if that's possible, what rifts will define the Socialists in America?
W | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:11 am | #
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maybe bob casey?
i am socially progressive, and fiscally responsible, big beliver in civil liberties = anti patriot act,
and i want to run for public office when im older
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:13 am | #
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Alright, got it.
Who did either of you support in the Dem Prez primary?
I liked Clark and Dean.
Clark/Fiengold '08.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:13 am | #
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believe it or not those were my 2 actually
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:14 am | #
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clark wont run in 08 2 many democrats already going to run
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:15 am | #
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Well, lets see, what could W belive? (that was sarcasm for the comicly impared).
Deans economicly moderate views divide him from DemSocs like myself. I like the man, we're just not on the same page.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:18 am | #
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Wierd, man...
I get to vote in '08! Wooo! Going to either nominate a Bullmoose canidate or vote Socialist Equality.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:20 am | #
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hey ragnar nice talkig to u but i gotta get goin ill be on tomorrow
buh bye
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:20 am | #
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and by the way dont vote like that in 08 its just a wated vote its bette to take the better (democrats0 of two evils
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:21 am | #
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thats a wasted vote u gotta vote for the lesser of 2 evils which is dem
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:22 am | #
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u no the other parties cant win so arleast vote for the better party of who can....i nmo its principal but would u rather live under a bayh, clinton, warner administartion than a bill frist or jeb bush....i would
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:23 am | #
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atleast**
see ya tomorrow
demsin04 | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:24 am | #
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What about McCain?
Gulliani?
Powell?
Whitman?
There are good GOPers, too.
If it's between two good canidates, I'm voting Socialist or Socialist Equality.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:25 am | #
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LibKan, W, you two still here?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:27 am | #
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Ragnar....
You seem to be a little off the beaten path. It's nice that your politics are so creative. Imagination is a great thing.
W | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:27 am | #
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Aye, 'tis. I'm a Social Libertarian, an Economic Socialist, and an International Globalist.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:31 am | #
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LK, still lurking about?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:34 am | #
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I'm a pan-nationalist Libertarian.
Maybe we like the same music?
W | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:35 am | #
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Oh, and of course a Capitalist.
Free markets and all that craziness.
W | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:36 am | #
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So Ragnar. I guess you think International Socialism would work if we could just maintain leaders who were all benevolent geniuses?
W | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:38 am | #
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What music do you listen to?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:39 am | #
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Right now I'm listening to DEVO.
W | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:40 am | #
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I'd go back in Time and warn the Native AMericans of Cortez.
I'd take some sort of Navy and protect the Shores of AMerica from Imperialism.
Would save alot of lives and would be interesting to see what would have come of America.
Imagine if The Aztecs and The Incas knew what the Spanish had planned for them.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:43 am | #
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Men like Lenin and Trotsky, who were pro-democrocy*, internationalist, and supported the Socialist-to-Communist transition. These are my beliefs.
BTW, Economic Socialism allows, and supports, a small business free market with strong pro-labor trends.
*Note: Although Lenin put in emergency centeralization laws, he wanted the Soviet Union to become Democratic Socialist in the near future.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:44 am | #
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What are you knuckle heads talking about now?
Larry in Nevada | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:45 am | #
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danashold weren't you told not to talk about Trotsky and Socialism?
Larry in Nevada | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:46 am | #
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Excelent aspirations, Anon.
DEVO? Whip it Good DEVO? Wow, it's been a while since I last heard them.
Or did you mean Devotional and Christian Rock?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:46 am | #
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I've never been good at following orders, Larry. Besides, I'm just expressing an openion. In fact, compaired to some on this blog, I'm moderate.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:48 am | #
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No dammit. DEVO was more than whip it. But still, I guess they are oldies at this point.
Rag...
Did it ever occur to you that the U.S. founders came up with a better Democratic model than the Communists? Do results count for anything, or am I just a victim of American brainwashing?
W | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:50 am | #
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Problem is, what would have become of the World?
Europe? Middle East? East Asia? Africa?
I've always wanted to write a book on this subject or make a movie.
Like, say if The Aztecs and Incas held off the initial invasion, could that have changed the outcome of the AMerica's?
Or would Spain and others have regrouped and still conquered?
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:51 am | #
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Dude how much can you go on and on and on about Lenin and Trotsky and Socialism?
I agree with Me2 its getting very tired.
Larry in Nevada | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:51 am | #
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Rag...
What percentage of Communist states devolve into dictatorship?
No matter the original intent. Did you ever think to yourself that there might be flaws in the teachings of T & L?
W | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:52 am | #
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But anyways like I predicted at the beginning of Jan. Howard Dean was elected DNC Chairmen today.
My other prediction about him destroying the Democrat Party will come soon also and he will end up being forced to resign before the 2008 elections.
Larry in Nevada | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:53 am | #
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Democracies tend to develop into dictatorships too.
Plenty haven't, but maybe their day is coming.
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I have predicted it and it will happen.
Larry in Nevada | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:54 am | #
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Also Mark Kennedy to annouced that he was running for a seat in the Unitied States Senate.
Im not ready to predict if he will win yet. I must wait until all the DFL'ers get into the race and see what type of race Kennedy runs.
Larry in Nevada | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:56 am | #
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Hi everyone. Can someone explain to me why many Southerners like Gunner call the Civil War "the War of Northern Aggression"? I was taught that, if anyone took the fateful step towards war, it was the Southerners by seceeding, then attacking the union stronghold at Fort Sumter.
And Ragnar, don't kid yourself into thinking Johnson (a Tennesseean) was the most anti-Southern president we've ever had. His Reconstruction plan was a mild one, along the lines of Lincoln's. It was the Radicals in Congress, who could overrride Johnson's vetoes, who imposed harsh plans for the ex-Confederates. But I agree that, had Lincoln lived, Reconstruction would have been better for the denziens of Dixie.
DCJones | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:57 am | #
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I have always been of the school of thought that people are wired a certain way, thus our ultimate social structure has just a few predictable outcomes.
In the case of the Euros invading the Americas, that was basically inevitable. As far as the future is concerned......
I'd like to see a pan nationalist, capitalist democratic planet. Throw in gen-tech, nukes and bio warfare...
Who knows.
But Bush is onto the reality of one of those variables. That people want to be free. Rag would probably disagree.
W | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:59 am | #
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Did it ever occur to you that the U.S. founders came up with a better Democratic model than the Communists? Do results count for anything, or am I just a victim of American brainwashing?
Lenin and Trotsky came up with a diffrent democratic ideal. America has been successful. After all, our Republic survived. But it remained under the leadership of it's founders. After Lenin died, the Red Tsar betraied every single soul who gave their lives in the Revolution.
Imagine if we named Washington king? Wouldn't that have backstabbed all the thousands who died in our revolution?
Lar, how long can you go on about Regan Republicanism?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:00 am | #
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I can not believe this! I come on here tonight to engage in some political banter and I am ment with a Trotsky lover and a sudo liberal talking about the Civil War and pan nationalism.
What the hell is going on here?
Larry in Nevada | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:02 am | #
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W, have you ever thought there were flaws in Regan and Washington? And yes, people want to be free. That is what the Russian Revolution was about, freedom. Freedom from under a cruel and autocratic monarch who imposed inordanate taxes upon his citizans without any representation. Sound familier?
Larry, you're not omnipotant. You can't be sure.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:05 am | #
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I'm listening to Lemonheads. Classic alternative at its best
Liberal Kansas | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:07 am | #
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To be honest this blog has been hijacked by the likes of Ragnar Danashold who to be frank I never saw post here before this year started.
Nobody cares about Lenin, Trotsky, Socialism and Communists. What the fuck is this circa 1954. Am I in some time warp?
Ragnar Danashold take the Lenin and Trotsy shit back to were it belongs. Some university coffee shop
Larry in Nevada | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:09 am | #
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Ever read 1984? Or the Iron Heel? These novels are about the betrail of an ideology by those who pay lip-service to them. Aldous Huxley (Brave New World), George Orwell (1984, Animal Farm), and Jack London (The Iron Heel) were all socialists who supported Lenin and Trotsky.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:09 am | #
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Well Rag,
I guess you are dealing with a lot of what ifs. You seem to have a great deal of passion for history.
Maybe you should study a little more American history (not to mention law and economics) and ask yourself if the success of the U.S. and the failure of Communism isn't just some wacky coincidence.
This is fun. Speaking with a Communist. I get the same satisfaction when I teach young kids. At this stage the principles are still so basic. So much room for improvement. It's all about potential.
W | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:12 am | #
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Yea, I'm a newbie, and I've brought new topics to the table. But I've hardly highjacked it. I'm not stoping you from posting, am I?
LK, I'm a Jethro Tull fan. Now THAT's alturnitive.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:13 am | #
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failure of Communism
Because the USSR, which, I might add, was NOT Communist, fell, how do you feel Socialism failed?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:17 am | #
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Of course you have hijacked this blog. Whenever I am on here you are here talking about the same things over and over and over again.
Lenin, Trotsky, Socialism and Communists everyday its the same things.
I've had enough of it. Enough. There is a place to talk about this stuff and that is on a university campus.
This blog is ment for current day political events and topics. Not somehting you learned from you left wing college professor last week.
Larry in Nevada | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:19 am | #
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So, communism is just a system destined for failure?
So, Reagan didn't "win the cold war?"
Castro was not initially a threat?
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:19 am | #
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Well Raggy...
You're philosophy is a little out dated.
You may be in Jr High or something, which would make sense in the apparent early evolution of your ideology.
I'm backing out of P1 again.
Night folks.
W | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:20 am | #
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"This is my sand Box! We are going to play my games!"
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:22 am | #
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Out dated....the guy is still debate things that were debated in the 1930's.
Larry in Nevada | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:22 am | #
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Britain: report documents widespread forced migrant labour
A study released February 3 documents the widespread use of forced migrant labour in Britain. Its findings reveal that the use of such labour is by no means confined to the criminal or semi-criminal fringes of economic life. Rather, many immigrant workers, legal and illegal, are trapped in abusive arrangements that exist in a number of Britain’s major economic sectors—including the publicly run National Health Service (NHS). Published by the Trades Union Congress (TUC), the report offers a damning indictment of the conditions faced by the most oppressed strata of the working class under the Labour government. Dr. Bridget Anderson of Oxford University and Dr. Ben Rogaly of Sussex University’s Centre for Migration Research authored the study, titled Forced Labour and Migration to the UK. The paper’s release came on the one-year anniversary of the Morecambe Bay tragedy, in which 23 young Chinese workers drowned whilst picking cockles. The report is based on interviews with migrants, employers and employment agencies, trade unionists and immigration lawyers. It adopted the International Labour Organisation’s (ILO’s) definition of forced labour, which describes it as “all work or service which is exacted under the menace of a penalty, and which is not voluntary.” A range of abuses and exploitative practices were catalogued within this category. These included: *Gross exploitation. Migrant workers are largely concentrated in low-wage sectors. Their pay is further reduced by deductions typically made by employers, agencies, and other third parties, which often leave workers earning far less than the minimum wage. One Ukrainian woman was found working in a pub for £1 an hour; an Indian construction worker was paid £20 for a nine-hour day. Migrant workers are routinely forced to work very long hours. A previous study cited in the TUC report found that domestic workers in private households worked an average of 17 hours a day. Excessive work hours are also suffered by those forced to work multiple jobs simultaneously. One Nigerian woman worked for several years on the London underground from 6 a.m. to 4 p.m., and at the Royal Mail from 8 p.m. to 4 a.m. *Debt bondage. This was the most common form of coercion found by the researchers. Debt bondage occurs when a worker is forced to take out a loan, often with exorbitant interest rates, in order to enter Britain. The debt is then used to control and exploit the immigrant. “One woman had borrowed US$1,000 for her trip and had not yet managed to pay this off, despite being in the UK for nearly 4 years,” the investigation found. “She is currently paid £2 an hour to work in a chip shop for 12 hours a day. From Monday to Saturday she lives on the chips, but on Sunday must pay for her food. Sometimes she works as a barmaid with no pay but for a free meal.”
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:24 am | #
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*Intimidation and violence. Criminal gangs involved in employment agency rackets typically use violence against migrant workers. Two Polish construction workers brought to Britain by agents were forced to work long hours for no pay. When they attempted to escape, they were badly assaulted. Some British employers also use the threat of deportation to intimidate their staff. In another case, the researchers revealed, “Three nationals of South Asian countries who entered on legal permits to work for an employer in the manufacturing industry were threatened with violence when they refused to accept their working conditions. They were required to work 12-hour shifts from Monday to Friday and a 9-hour shift at the weekend followed every day by cleaning the employer’s private residence. Their employer refused to negotiate and threatened to deport them. When they eventually managed to escape from him he contacted the Immigration Service to inform them that they were in the UK without work permits.” *Restriction of movement. Employers or agencies frequently extract forced labour by retaining workers’ passports and identity documents. In 2004, it was made a criminal offence to enter Britain without a valid travel document, which the study noted “may make migrants even more reluctant to leave such employers.” Many migrant workers are also forced to accept overpriced and often overcrowded accommodation, which is intended to leave them completely dependent on their employers. Forced labour is usually associated with the most marginalised and unregulated economic sectors, such as menial agricultural labour and prostitution. The TUC investigation found, however, that abusive work conditions and forced labour are becoming increasingly pervasive throughout the British economy—and sections of the public service. Within the NHS, many migrant nurses face extremely low pay and terrible working conditions. Poor salary levels and a lack of education and training opportunities have resulted in a shortage of British nurses. Migrant health workers who fill the shortfall are usually recruited through poorly regulated agencies, leaving them vulnerable to terrible abuse. The NHS, pointing to the agencies involved, declaims any responsibility. The TUC reported on the case of “Conrado,” a highly qualified nurse from Asia, who was brought to England after he paid an agency £700 and took out a loan of £1,500. Once working, the nurse was left with just £46 a week, after money was deducted for his rent and loan repayment. “Conrado described how he lived on £5 worth of food in a week, having an apple for breakfast, a snack in the staff canteen for lunch, and rice for dinner. He felt that he was relatively fortunate because he lived close enough to the hospital to walk.”
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:26 am | #
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This is modern, this is up to date, this is Socialist. Socialism is still alive and strong, and growing stonger since the fall of the USSR.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:30 am | #
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Ragnar can you please tell me what the point of that was?
Did that have anything to do with the topics you so often like to repeat over and over again?
Ragnar since you have posted here the quality of this blog has gone down quite a bit and im sorry to say that.
You have turned it into something that is totally different from what it was intended for.
I am going to write Ron and complain about your actions and how in my opinion the quality of discussion has been severly downgraded since you have begun posting here.
Larry in Nevada | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:33 am | #
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Can somebody say Sicherheitspolizei?
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Fuck you, buddy.
The point was, it's a modern event that has to do with Socialism.
Yes, it has to do with the fact that Socialism still exists today.
What exactly was the blog intended for? See, I was under the impression that this was so people could post their views, but apparently, I was mistaken.
Go ahead, write him. I'm just posting my views, and there is nothing wrong with that. If Ron makes me an outlaw, I'll go elsewere. If not, I'll continue to post here.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:40 am | #
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That's the thing about Neo-Cons. If they see something that steps even slightly out of their ideology, they try and make it illeagle. Larry, just because we disagree doesn't mean I want to ban you, and I don't intend to try, nor do I intend to try to ban PEI, or Keven, or Kyle or Corey or W or KansasGOP or anyone.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:45 am | #
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And no, anon, I can't pronouce that. Does it mean anything?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:46 am | #
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Sicherheitspolizei:
The Original SS in Germany during Hitler's beginning Rule.
It was the name of the entire Secret Police force.
Socialists were just some of those targeted. In fact, they were the biggest enemies to the SS.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:53 am | #
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The SA, or Brownshirts, were also called Beefsteaks. Brown on the outside, Red on the inside.
"Chancellor Hitler is betraying us, the prolitariot." Ernst Ruhm.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 2:00 am | #
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So, Larry, how's the effort to ban me for illogical reasons going? Well, I hope?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 2:25 am | #
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Kumquat
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 2:47 am | #
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Limpopo
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 2:49 am | #
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Katmandu and Bangladesh
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 2:50 am | #
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Weinerschnizel
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 2:54 am | #
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I actually heard some music on Saturday night (which is unusual for a wonk like me).
Let me briefly correct, clarify or confirm a couple of things said in my absence.
(1) Almost all the GOP Reps from the Northeast whom I mentioned came not from Republican but from Democratic districts. Blame gerrymandering if you wish in Massachusetts (after all Elbridge Gerry was Gov of Mass when partisan districting was named after him), but few if any Mass CD's can fairly be called Republican. That's unfair to the 30% to 40+% of Mass. voters who are Republicans or GOP-leaning independents, but that's a general problem with geographical districts as opposed to something like proportional representation.
And in Rhode Island, you can only draw one line, between the 1st and 2nd CD's, and it's almost impossible to draw a line that would make one of those districts Republican. (For one thing, you'd have no geographical contiguity or community of interest if you tried to jump Narragansett Bay and tried to tie, say, Westerly with Tiverton in the same CD.)
(2) Mod Mark's right. Mass & RI have both voted for Republicans the same number of times since 1925 (four), just in different years. In 1984, Mondale carried only Minn. & DC, so both states voted GOP (Reagan's reelection). In 1952 & 1956, Stevenson failed to carry a single state beyond the South & Border, so again both Mass. & RI alike liked Ike twice.
However, in 1972, Mass. was the only state (besides DC) to vote for McGovern. RI voted for Nixon's reelection. And in 1980, Carter-Mondale's reelection campaign carried only their home states of Ga and Minn. plus the District, Maryland, W. Va, Hawaii and R.I.
Massachusetts voted for Reagan the first time as well as the second.
(3) George Orwell and Jack London were not Leninists or Trotskyists. Jack London died in 1916, by which time he'd drifted away from the Socialist Party, and his views were more racial-nationalist than internationalist anyway. While George Orwell fought with the (Trotskyish) POUM militia in Catalonia, identified with the Independent Labour Party, and (because of his Spanish experience) was adamantly anti-Stalinist, he was neither a Leninist nor a Trotskyist, although he defended their rights to organize, speak and publish. (I've read almost all of the standard Orwell works, including nine books, the four volumes of the 1968 Collected Essays and two volumes of his wartime broadcasts. Before World War II broke out, he considered himself a revolutionary democratic socialist and a revolutionary pacifist, but at about the time the war started, he became equally zealous in supporting the war if not everything about the way it was waged.)
I could be wrong about Aldous Huxley, but I've never heard of his being any kind of communist.
(4) I'm too sleepy to get too much deeper into this, but Rosa Luxemburg died in 1919, long before Stalin's rise. She and Wilhelm Liebknecht led the Spartacist uprising against the German
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 4:58 am | #
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(4) I'm too sleepy to get too much deeper into this, but Rosa Luxemburg died in 1919, long before Stalin's rise. She and Wilhelm Liebknecht led the Spartacist uprising against the German republican government, which at the time was led by the Social Democratic Party (SPD) leader Friedrich Ebert, and were shot by the ex-soldiers of the Frei Korps who suppressed that rising.
Leninism or Marxism ? is even earlier than that, from about 1904 or 1905, at the time of the first revolution in Russia.
But what she foresaw from the left, and the social scientist Roberto Michels (studying the SPD in his classic book Political Parties) saw from the centre-right, was tragically borne out by reality. The Party substitutes itself for political society; then the ruling apparatus (bureaucracy) of party and trade-union officials substitutes itself for the party as a whole (discouraging or banning other factions in the name of unity or necessity); then one inner group substitutes itself for the ruling faction; and then the inner circle is supplanted by one man.
Although America is not a one-party state, places within the U.S. where one party has achieved a working monopoly exhibit many of these tendencies (although fortunately in a milder form). Part of America's good fortune is that —although the Federalists at one time had a working monopoly, and then about 20-30 years later (after the Federalists had faded into invisibility) everyone was a Democratic-Republican — an opposition party (first the anti-Federalists or Dem-Republicans, and then the National Republicans or Whigs) has risen up to challenge the monopoly.
Little is achieved by having a single ruling party with competing factions: either the factions become de facto parties (which is why Lenin and co. felt they had to suppress the Workers Opposition and ban factions in the Bolshevik party), or all factions that differ with the ruling clique are suppressed (what Lenin achieved at the Tenth Party Congress) and the single party leaves no room for dissenting views, with all the predictable results for liberty, democracy and adaptability to reality.
Anyway, you don't have to be some old fogey to see that (as the Founding Fathers saw) it's better to avoid things like single-party monopolies and self-perpetuating bureaucracies which force you to rely for your liberty on the goodwill and virtue of individual men, rather than the interaction of checks and balances.
Saying that the single-party system would have been good if only someone like Stalin hadn't come around to subvert it is a very un-Marxist way of looking at things: you're putting your trust in individual personalities rather than in establishing a system robust enough to allow the people to defend themselves, their interests and their liberties.
I could elaborate further, but I need to sleep (and spare everyone else).
Dem Socialist Dave | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 5:02 am | #
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George Orwell and Jack London were Socialists who thought well of Lenin and Trotsky, although they were not Leninist/Trotskyists. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.
I wouldn't consider myself a Marxist, anyway. I like the Democratic Socialist system as discribed by Lenin and Trotsky.
Dave, we don't need to fight. We may disagree with how to go about it, but we both want to forword the goals of Socialism. Can we at least agree on that?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 10:24 am | #
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Socialism is dead; it died November 2, 1980. Even today, you can see that socialism is on it's last leg. Democratic Socialist nations (such as Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark) have higher unemployment rates then the US and their welfare system is on the brink of bankrupcy. Even pure socialist (or communist) states such as Vietnam and Red China had to convert a quasi-capitalist system in order to survive economically. The only nations that practice pure socialism are North Korea, Laos, and Cuba; all of whom have backward economies.
Anyone who advocates socialism is either one of three things: 1) a complete moron, 2) mentally retarded, or 3) some youngster who doesn't really know how socialism works and is just for it because it's anti-establishment.
Arch-Conservative | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 10:43 am | #
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There is a diffrence between a single-party democrocy and a single-party oligarchy. Every leader, every great historical figure, has made mistakes, has made terrible errors in judgement, has done acts that, with hindsight, were poorly planed. I'm not saying Lenin or Trotsky were perfect. No one is. But, I am saying, what they were prepairing for was a good idea, and the Socialism and Internationalism of the Russian Revolution could have succeeded. It didn't, of course, because of Stalin's facism, but the philosophy needs to be studyed, weither you support it or refute it.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 10:50 am | #
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Even pure socialist (or communist) states such as Vietnam and Red China had to convert a quasi-capitalist system in order to survive economically.
There is no such thing as a pure communist state. It cannot exist with the current evolutionary level of humanity, nor is it at all possible for a moneyless, classless sociaty exist on what we would consider a nation. It couldn't trade, it couldn't have immergration, it's totally impossible on this level.
Denmark and the Neitherlands are far ahead of us, with higher standards of living than we have. Denmark especially.
The only nations that practice pure socialism are North Korea, Laos, and Cuba; all of whom have backward economies.
No they don't. N. Korea is run by a totalitarian Fascist who has nothing in mind but bettering his own condition while his people starve to death in the streets. Laos, like China, has become a total capitalist sociaty. Cuba is about to collapse.
Socialism is a democraticly worker-run state. If it is planned as a vehicle for Communism, like the Soviet Union, 1917 to 1924, or if it is planned to remain in it's current state, like Norway and France.
I strongly supported Tienimien, 1988-89, and all the true Workers Revolutions in the USSR: Hungry in the fiftys, the Czech in the sixties, and in Poland in the eightys.
And Regans presidency, although it did aid with the fall, was simple coinsidence. The USSR was on it's last leg, anyway. I'm sorry to say the Democratic Revolution may, itself, experiance a 1924 at the hands of Putin.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 11:12 am | #
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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The United Iraq Alliance, backed by Shiite Muslim Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, won a plurality of votes in the January 30 elections but fell short of an outright majority, the Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq said Sunday.
What does this mean for Iraq and her future?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 11:30 am | #
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Sorry to change the subject again, but did anyone see Deans acceptance speech? Compair the "Librarianish" Dean at the Chair acceptance to the rable-rousing fireball Prez canidate Dean. Those are two very diffrent people.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 11:38 am | #
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I was watching C-SPAN a couple days ago, and they had a senator, Democratic, think he had "Conrad" somewhere in his name, talking about Bush's 2006 Budget. All I've got to say is damn. We're going to be hundreds of millions of dollers more in debt then we are now on just one thing!
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 11:50 am | #
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Dems
Strong Centrists:
Bayh
Easley
Gore
Liberman
Edwards
Strong Leftists:
Kerry (sadley)
Clark
Fiengold
Vilsak
Pelosi
Warner
Obama
Ford
Spitzer(I know, I know, the last three don't have enough experiance. I'm just saying who's strong, here.)
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:06 pm | #
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Shit, totally forgot HRC and, my man, Dennis.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:07 pm | #
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Anyone else think Fowler or Rosenburg are going to try for Congress? Or am I just insane?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 12:34 pm | #
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Hey Ragnar,
Post whatever you want...that's why it's called an "open" thread.
Larry from NV, if you don't like it, take your ball somewhere else and play.
As for Fowler or Rosenberg, yes you are insane.
The Ghost of Tom Joad | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:08 pm | #
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We Republicans need to dig up the body of Barry Goldwater, and nominate him for President in '08!!
SunDevilCato | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:48 pm | #
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Ragnar, you leftists told us during the '70s and '80s that the USSR was too strong for us, and that we would just have to live with Soviet aggression. Reagan challenged you on that, and guess what, he was right! Come on, you went from calling the Soviets a way of life to a backward, broken society in 8 short years. Now, Reagan's anti-communist policies which coincided with the tumbling of the Berlin Wall were mere serendipity. Come on, once more the left's story doesn't add up.
SunDevilCato | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:53 pm | #
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This is the last time I will post on this blog, so good bye. Now, envision me doing the Nixon victory salute, as I board my helicopter and leave for the last time.
SunDevilCato | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 1:55 pm | #
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a) I am fifteen. I wasn't saying shit in the 70's and 80's. The USSR was a fascist, oligarchal police state, and it's fall was a great victory for the working class.
b) Regan was a coincidence. He helped, yes, but it was the Russian People who truly initiated victory.
c) Last call, mate. I don't really know you very well, but adios anyway. Are you moving or something?
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 6:04 pm | #
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Too late.
Ragnar Danashold | Email | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 6:06 pm | #
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it looks like all the democrats have turned commie traitor and are now in the pocket of felon and nazi collaborator george soros.
bruce | Email | Homepage | 10.08.07 - 4:40 pm | #
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