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Does the Irish flag on St. Patrick's Day bother you? No one says squat about Shannon and Michael running around with green beer in honor of their homelands. How about the Italian flags peppered throughout Little Italys around the nation (e.g. San Francisco, Boston)? Does anyone suggest that Little Italy is not part of America? No.
What about cinco de mayo? No one complains about celebrating Mexico's independence day since it gives them yet another reason to ditch work and drink themselves stupid.
How about Golda Meir, the ex-PM of Israel, who was a dual citizen? It is considered a renunciation of your American citizenship to run for office in or serve in the military of another country, yet Israelis do it all the time and no one says a peep about them assimmilating.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscod...81----000-
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Tell me again what it means to be American so I can be clear on whether I and my parents have adequately assimmilated.
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04.27.06 - 6:40 pm | #
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You seem to be taking this way too personally. You don't seem to have any problem speaking English.
The Yankees that usually celebrate St. Patricks day or any other national holiday don't seem to have an issue with their nationality. Some don't speak English well but they do at least claim it as their first language. (Thanks, I know Ireland uses English as a language.)
Cinco De Mayo? Excuse to drink. Period. The groups that usually celebrate 5/5 also play the game where you drink according to what is said on a television show.
Why shouldn't I look at those who are angry at our government for enforcing the laws and have an issue?
Why is it ok for a group of outsiders to band together inside a foreign country and protest under the banner of their home country's flag?
How is it right for the high school in California to display the flags as I pictured in my article?
Why is it NOW OK FOR IMMIGRANTS TO MAINTAIN THEIR FORMER ALLEGANCES AND LANGUAGE?
Political Correctness? It's the death of common sense!
Read some Thomas Sowell:
http://jewishworldreview.com/
col...owell041206.asp
http://jewishworldreview.com/
col...well041206c.asp
He is far more eloquent than I am.
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04.28.06 - 11:20 am | #
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Let me give an alternate question back to an earlier post:
What exactly is the goal of these immigrant marches?
for example:
http://reuters.myway.com/article...GRATION-
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I am not the one to ask about protests. I think they are silly and really do not accomplish anything except annoy people. The social utility of protests is the spout on the tea pot. Let the idiot masses blow off some steam, so they don't let it explode into more violent stuff later.
You are mixing issues. You haven't defined assimmilation. Is it just language or is it more? Because you seem to be arguing that it is okay for Irish people to wave Irish flags and have parades celebrating their separate and distinct cultural heritage so long as they claim English as their first language.
And, you also seem to be arguing that it is okay to celebrate a foreign holiday if it gives Americans a reason to get drunk (presumably, it will thus be deemed assimmilated into American "culture"). So, if Mexicans wanted to celebrate 5/5, it wouldn't be okay because that would be an allegiance to another culture, but if White America deems it an acceptable excuse for alcoholism, then diversity is applauded? Love those principles.
What do you mean "the Yankees don't seem to have an issue with their nationality"? Have you ever spent time in Boston or NY? I lived in Boston for 3 years and the Irish people there are quick to let you know just how Irish they really are. Same with the Italians.
There are still Italians who don't speak English. And Italian neighborhoods all over the East Coast have Italian flags everywhere. Is that okay as long as they "claim" English as a first language? By the way, what does it mean to "claim" a language for yourself?
If your standard is only language, I agree to an extent, but it takes a while to learn a new language. I won't fault someone for not speaking English because it does not happen overnight. And, if you moved to another country and there was a pocket of English-speaking people, would you speak the country's language or would you speak English? You would speak English because that is and always will be the language in which you are most comfortable. You can't blame people for doing that, although I don't think government stuff should be in anything but English.
What about Israelis who maintain their "former allegiances and language"; who run for office and serve in the military there in direct contravention of American laws? I don't hear you saying anything about that.
Let me make sure I understand your argument correctly - It's okay for the Irish to wave their flags, it's okay for Italians to speak Italian, it's okay for Israelis to serve in the military of another country, but it's not okay for Mexicans to wave Mexican flags and speak Spanish?
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Thomas Sowell offers as much depth as a puddle. I truly cannot believe you read this shallow crap.
"We have to punish the illegals or Americans won't respect our laws."
This argument is as old, tired and absued as the author himself. He makes this bold conclusory statement without offering any data to show the causal relationship between the presence of illegal aliens and the increase of law-breaking. Considering that the violent crime rates have declined since 2004, he can't. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict.htm
But no neocon ever let facts stand in the way of hateful, fear-mongering rhetoric.
"When you import people, you import cultures. Those cultures no longer give way to the American culture when "multiculturalism" is a dogma...."
No where does this dimwhit explain what American culture is or how you determine who has and has not given way to it. Nope, it's just a foregone conclusion that Mexicans haven't.
Immigration is threatening unity and patriotism.
This is the creme de la creme. Let's forget the fact that our government has defecated all over the Constitution, wiretapped Americans, is fighting an indefinite war that was supposed to be a 6-month "cakewalk", handed out welfare to the oil companies, left people to die in New Orleans and devalued the dollar beyond recognition. None of that has fostered division in America. Just the illegals.
Moron!
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04.28.06 - 2:39 pm | #
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I should be clear. I meant Sowell is a moron, not you. 
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Let's grab some toilet paper and review that last rant:
I talked to a guy in Baghdad Friday, was I recorded by the NSA? I don't freaking care!
The wiretap issue is a non-sequitir at this point since the Democrats have agreed to let it drop. Seeing as how they had absolutely no leg to stand on legally. Also seeing as how the bipartisan intel group has quietly agreed to the program.
Who called Iraq a cakewalk? Not sure I ever heard that. Please send me a link?
Welfare to oil. How is preventing the pumping of known fileds helpful to oil? Thirty years of environmental roadblocks and you want to rant about a tax break?
Feds let people die in New Orleans? Tornado hits my community. Who do we look to for response? Locals, State, Federal in that order. Local responders on the scene in minutes. State response within 48 hours. It took FEMA a week to get started. That is how it always has been until an idiot Democrat Governor and a fool of a Democrat Mayor delayed their responses in spite of pleading from Bush personally to evacuate? Now all of a sudden this is FEMA' fault?
I don't buy that.
I also don't buy that an ILLEGAL immigrant standing up and shoving their status in our face is ok. I have absolutely nothing against immigration if its legal. What the heck do they want exactly?
Are they demanding something? Should I break into your house and demand to be fed? Is this the logic?
Mr. Sowell is saying that the assertion of rights by a law breaking group is a slap in the face to our soverginty. Are you saying they should keep their flag and their language as their allegance?
Does language and national pride mean something? Is there an affiliation issue for the spanish speaking green, white and red flag waiving masses? Are they for the USA or for Mexico?
Shouldn't we be concerned about this in light of how they have risen to challenge the laws of our country?
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You haven't addressed any of the contradictions in your position. It's okay for Israelis, Irish and Italians to keep their flags and allegiances, but not Mexicans? Why is their racial pride a slap to our sovereignty, but not Golda Meir? Don't you have any principles or will you just admit it's a double standard?
Cakewalk -
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rober.../
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http://dir.salon.com/story/opini...walk/
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