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agnostic It's more helpful to view cultural transmission and evolution not as natural selection that affects adaptation of humans to their environment, but instead as the spread of contagious diseases among a host population. The idea goes back awhile, at least to the late '60s, and there's a fair amount of good data showing this. Usually the model is some variation on the theme of S-I-R models of disease.Email | Homepage | 02.17.08 - 8:56 am | # |
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John J Emerson You can also look at it as a learning curve in a community of skilled craftsmen. Boatbuilders and navigators were the most highly honored men in these societies, and they had a lot of autonomy in a tightly knit tribal society where most were closely restricted by kinship and ritual obligations.Email | Homepage | 02.17.08 - 9:17 am | # |
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Mencius For some reason, you keep not mentioning what I think is the most important recent development in this phenomenon: the replacement of the supernatural with the political. If this isn't a functional mutation, I don't know what the heck is.Email | Homepage | 02.17.08 - 12:39 pm | # |
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razib mencius, i'm sorry that i don't anticipate your genius!Email | Homepage | 02.17.08 - 1:49 pm | # |
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razib It's more helpful to view cultural transmission and evolution not as natural selection that affects adaptation of humans to their environment, but instead as the spread of contagious diseases among a host population. The idea goes back awhile, at least to the late '60s, and there's a fair amount of good data showing this. Usually the model is some variation on the theme of S-I-R models of disease.Email | Homepage | 02.17.08 - 1:50 pm | # |
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John J Emerson Mencius, come on. That's a meme, in the contemporary sense of "something dumb that proliferates virally".Email | Homepage | 02.17.08 - 6:09 pm | # |
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agnostic I haven't read Sperber on the epidemiology of ideas, but Bartholomew wrote about SIR models of culture (really "spread of information," but that's the same) in his book on stochastic models in culture in the late '60s. Cavalli-Sforza and Feldman bring up SIR models in their culture book, but don't really go anywhere with it. A group including Boyd and Richerson have developed a model called something like "random copying" that is equivalent to an epidemic disease model, and Watts &...someone developed a social contagion model in J of Theoret Bio a few years ago.Email | Homepage | 02.17.08 - 8:32 pm | # |
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John J Emerson What I object to with the epidemic disease model, and to an extent the evolutionary model, is that it excludes the active learning involved in the case in question. Social science has a tendency to want to make people into objects (patients) rather than subjects (agents), and sometimes that's the way to go, but in this case I think that active experimentation and testing by conscious agents is an important factor. That doesn't necessarily mean that epidemiological or evolutionary models are completely irrelevant, but I'd guess is that the frequency and viability of mutations is increased by the conscious creative factor.Email | Homepage | 02.17.08 - 9:19 pm | # |
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razib assman, yeah, i know a lot of those workers (i know boyd & rich's and cavalli-sforza & feldman's books). the sort of functionalism referred to here seems like a subset of the epidemiological models which are adapting in large part to human psychology and sociology. i'm generally skeptical of functional adaptations to exogenous parameters. e.g., hindus are vegetarian because eating meat is not efficient in terms of maximizing the utilization of agricultural resources. but it doesn't seem like all these examples would be false. since i think i that these adaptations to exogenous parameters are a relatively small number (with many variations on a few common themes) it might be best to start from them and work background (assume other aspects of culture are epidemiological and evoked).Email | Homepage | 02.17.08 - 9:28 pm | # |
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razib but in this case I think that active experimentation and testing by conscious agents is an important factor.Email | Homepage | 02.17.08 - 9:29 pm | # |
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John J Emerson But canoe-making an apprenticeship system, and the apprentices were basically being trained, rather than deciding what they thought, or happening to pick something up that was in the air. The successful builders would presumably have more apprentices, and if they were successful because of a deliberate innovation, the innovation would be passed on.Email | Homepage | 02.17.08 - 9:54 pm | # |
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razib john, check out some of joe henrich's work....Email | Homepage | 02.17.08 - 10:09 pm | # |
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quidnunc The paper itself seems interesting but the discussion in the news article reminded me of some of the papers coming out of, say, the Santa Fe Institute in the 90s during the complex systems and game theory fad.Email | Homepage | 02.17.08 - 10:15 pm | # |
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razib The paper itself seems interesting but the discussion in the news article reminded me of some of the papers coming out of, say, the Santa Fe Institute in the 90s during the complex systems and game theory fad.Email | Homepage | 02.17.08 - 10:28 pm | # |
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Mencius The trouble is that when you're doing epidemiology, you look at the actual channels through which the pest travels. Eg, bathhouses for HIV, or whatever.Email | Homepage | 02.17.08 - 11:15 pm | # |
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