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The Real Richard Sharpe I have read, but do not know where (perhaps in Demonic Males, perhaps in the book on Rape by Thornhill and etc) that in Papua it is relatively common for a man to rape a woman he is interested in if he has nothing much to offer. She is pretty much then only able to marry the guy who raped her.Email | Homepage | 08.16.07 - 7:17 pm | # |
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vicneo But perhaps some evidence that the seriousness of attempted murder is not a constant across cultures.Email | Homepage | 08.16.07 - 10:50 pm | # |
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LK I see this as evidence of what great shame it is to the family for a daughter to have sex outside of marriage. By marrying the man who raped her the same is lifted from the family. In other cases in Turkey family members have murdered their daughter after being raped.Email | Homepage | 08.17.07 - 12:18 am | # |
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victor chmara "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NIV)Email | Homepage | 08.17.07 - 12:45 am | # |
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Sandgroper So never mind an omnipotent God, it is being 'discovered', i.e. the shame of other mortals knowing, that is the problem.Email | Homepage | 08.17.07 - 2:05 am | # |
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babylonia "If there is a betrothed virgin, and a man meets her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbour’s wife..." (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)Email | Homepage | 08.17.07 - 6:10 am | # |
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John Emerson I've heard of a similar custom in Sicily, and in Kyrgyzstan it's supposed to be one of the commoner ways marriages are contracted (fake abductions are sometimes arranged with the consent of the parents, and perhaps sometimes girls run off voluntarily, but real abduction and rape are common -- the linked article from an advocacy group says 50%.) There's also a custom like that called moetolo in Samoa and the Pacific Islands (an issue in the Margaret Mead controversy).Email | Homepage | 08.17.07 - 6:24 am | # |
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Marty But perhaps some evidence that the seriousness of rape is not a constant across culturesEmail | Homepage | 08.17.07 - 11:38 am | # |
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Peter It is really bad example. Which would give courage to people like that boy, for doing things like that. But in most of the cases, we have to think solution for our own problem(who want marry that girl?), rather think about in large perspective, which is inevitable too...Email | Homepage | 08.18.07 - 8:13 am | # |
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Intellectual Pariah In the old Scots and English ballads, there's often a very blurry distinction between seduction and rape (and prostitution, for that matter). One typical way of resolving the issue:Email | Homepage | 08.18.07 - 11:12 am | # |
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Beth Huetter I don't think the issue here is whether or not rape is considered as serious an offense in different cultures, but rather the value women have in a particular culture. I doubt you will find one culture where women are highly valued and yet rape is not looked at as a serious offense.Email | Homepage | 08.21.07 - 11:25 pm | # |
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John Emerson Women are highly valued in rape cultures, but don't have autonomy. They're some man's property.Email | Homepage | 08.22.07 - 9:33 am | # |
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Michael Blowhard Another (if closely related) element might be that cultural understandings of sex vary across cultures to some extent. Where does this thing called "sex" begin and end?Email | Homepage | 08.23.07 - 8:59 am | # |
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