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I heard the audio - the word "explode" did not sound like that word at all - in fact, it didn't sound like anything, it was so garbled. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, you don't get fooled again!
Remember the PNAC, the neocon plan hatched over a decade ago and including Iraq and Iran in its gun sights that used the term "with a new Pearl Harbor" to further its effects?Strangely enough, the first conversation Bush had with Blair after 9/11 (according to the new Blair book) he said that this was this century's Pearl Harbor. I thought that was strange and perhaps coincidental. It does seem that efforts are being made to push confrontations and I do not trust this admnistration and their minions at all.
"The credibility at least of the administration has taken a hit by the way this episode played out," Aftergood said, but the near-confrontation could provide an opportunity for Bush to learn from his mistakes.
What F'n planet is THIS guy livin on?
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If you think gas & oil prices are high right now - just wait til' "monkey boy" succeeds in shutting down the Straits of Hormuz.
"Humility and caution"? How'bout Intelligence and Tinking? THOSE are the least knownbuzzwords in the White House.
the monkey and followers set this whole thing up to be the next false flag attack...they are pissing their pants wanting to nucular bomb iran...it`s the only way to escape accountability for their crimes...
"This week another NSA report surfaced, confirming suspicions that the August 4th attack never happened." -- We all knew it was a lie decades ago, we don't need the agency and people that were lying to us to tell us they were lying to us. We don't need anyone to tell us Bush is full of shit and should be given the Mussolini treatment either, do we? America is a cowardly sheep state.
If the Bush administration and Pentagon manufactured this incident in the Strait of Hormuz in order to dupe the American people into accepting their pro-Iran war agenda, they clearly aren't fighting "to protect American democracy."
To the contrary, lying to the American people, even if done for what is genuinely considered our own good, shows absolute contempt for the concept of democracy-- which makes them not its protectors but its domestic enemies.
so u know in advance what theyre up to what u gonna do to stop them?
theyre so much bigger than any of u
your children will study the history they decide to write and you're absolutely, 100 percent, powerless
to stop them....breath in breath out and protect the ones you love...
As much as I would believe this administration would have no qualms about lying about anything, I do have a friend whose son is aboard one of the ships that was involved in this confrontation and he said it did in fact happen.
This whole affair is just another one of those quirky coincidences that seem to be so common place with the Bush administration (like up grading the security threat whenever it was politically expedient to do so).
Bush needed a springboard topic for his Middle East visit this week and what better topic than a hyped up incident to blame those evil Iranians for.
Protest the RNC! A million people in the streets! They're destroying you children's future, don't let them get away with it! http://www.protestrnc2008.org/
A friend of mine was a Navy jet fighter pilot flying air cover during the Gulf of Tonkin incident that was used as a pretext to get us into the Viet Nam war.
He saw the hoax for what it was during his air cover mission. The following are the recollections he sent me a couple years ago based his flight logbook and what he saw while on patrol.
"We pilots on the Ticonderoga were briefed about the Desoto patrols but not any of the other operations underway at the time. We were told that the Maddox (and maybe the Turner Joy) were going to follow North Vietnam's coastline at the 3 mile limit. Three miles by the way was what the US uses to define international waters whereas North Vietnam and many other countries use 13(?) miles.
I was flying F8 Crusaders and that airplane was primarily used for air to air cover for the fleet but this day, instead of air-air Sidewinder missiles, we were loaded with air to ground unguided Zunis and were going to practice firing them at a sled being towed about 1000 yards behind the aircraft carrier. Sounded like a gift to me as they never let us do that account of the expense...except that we had been briefed about the Maddox's operation. A sled is a metal surfboard that produces a good size wake simulating the wake of a ship which would give us a good aiming point. This was clue #2 that we were setting up a situation where we could justify an attack on N.V. The alleged attack on the Maddox occurred when another 2 Crusaders were airborne, again with Zunis instead of Sidewinders. Oddly, the section comprised of one F8 from my squadron, VF-51, flown by Ltjg Dick Hastings, killed the next year, and a LCDR from VF-53 our the sister squadron who I don't remember. My wingman was a Ltjg also from VF-53 but I don't remember who and it's not recorded in my pilots logbook. Don't remember them mixing us before and don't know what that was about. As I was briefing the other pilot someone from the Admiral's staff (also unusual to have the Admiral on board) came in to tell us that the Maddox was being fired on and the F8's were sent in response. That's what we did too, only I never saw and PT boats. I've seen reports that the weather was bad with limited visibility and that's why there was sighting problems but that just wasn't true. There was a high overcast but visibility was quite good underneath.
Our cycles from takeoff to landing were about 1.8 hours so we must have toured around looking for those boats for up to an hour but we never saw any. Saw lots of Sampans but PT boats are much bigger, and even if they were dead-in-the-water, they would have been easy to see. The Maddox vectored us around and we spent time "over" the PT boats but could not spot them.
The next night the Turner Joy was "attacked." When our C.O. CDR Stockdale heard of this he grabbed the airplane away from a junior officer and launched. It was one of the black nights and a black night at sea, esp if there is an overcast is beyond the sort of black we are familiar with.
Same drill as August 4th. He and a wingman were vectored around and of course he did not see anything but just blindly fired his guns, Zunis and even Sidewinders! Even if there was anything there he would not have hit it.
Incidentally, in the 10/31/05 issue of the SF Chronicle there was an article reporting that the events of the night of August 5th never happened.
Seems to me the whole thing was a setup by the USA."
A friend of mine was a Navy jet fighter pilot flying air cover during the Gulf of Tonkin incident that was used as a pretext to get us into the Viet Nam war.
He saw the hoax for what it was during his air cover mission. The following are the recollections he sent me a couple years ago based his flight logbook and what he saw while on patrol.
"We pilots on the Ticonderoga were briefed about the Desoto patrols but not any of the other operations underway at the time. We were told that the Maddox (and maybe the Turner Joy) were going to follow North Vietnam's coastline at the 3 mile limit. Three miles by the way was what the US uses to define international waters whereas North Vietnam and many other countries use 13(?) miles.
I was flying F8 Crusaders and that airplane was primarily used for air to air cover for the fleet but this day, instead of air-air Sidewinder missiles, we were loaded with air to ground unguided Zunis and were going to practice firing them at a sled being towed about 1000 yards behind the aircraft carrier. Sounded like a gift to me as they never let us do that account of the expense...except that we had been briefed about the Maddox's operation. A sled is a metal surfboard that produces a good size wake simulating the wake of a ship which would give us a good aiming point. This was clue #2 that we were setting up a situation where we could justify an attack on N.V. The alleged attack on the Maddox occurred when another 2 Crusaders were airborne, again with Zunis instead of Sidewinders. Oddly, the section comprised of one F8 from my squadron, VF-51, flown by Ltjg Dick Hastings, killed the next year, and a LCDR from VF-53 our the sister squadron who I don't remember. My wingman was a Ltjg also from VF-53 but I don't remember who and it's not recorded in my pilots logbook. Don't remember them mixing us before and don't know what that was about. As I was briefing the other pilot someone from the Admiral's staff (also unusual to have the Admiral on board) came in to tell us that the Maddox was being fired on and the F8's were sent in response. That's what we did too, only I never saw and PT boats. I've seen reports that the weather was bad with limited visibility and that's why there was sighting problems but that just wasn't true. There was a high overcast but visibility was quite good underneath.
Our cycles from takeoff to landing were about 1.8 hours so we must have toured around looking for those boats for up to an hour but we never saw any. Saw lots of Sampans but PT boats are much bigger, and even if they were dead-in-the-water, they would have been easy to see. The Maddox vectored us around and we spent time "over" the PT boats but could not spot them.
The next night the Turner Joy was "attacked." When our C.O. CDR Stockdale heard of this he grabbed the airplane away from a junior officer and launched. It was one of the black nights and a black night at sea, esp if there is an overcast is beyond the sort of black we are familiar with.
Same drill as August 4th. He and a wingman were vectored around and of course he did not see anything but just blindly fired his guns, Zunis and even Sidewinders! Even if there was anything there he would not have hit it.
Incidentally, in the 10/31/05 issue of the SF Chronicle there was an article reporting that the events of the night of August 5th never happened.
Seems to me the whole thing was a setup by the USA."
I have always wondered if the USAF shooting missiles into the Australian ship the Hobart wasn't also set up by the U.S. as a way to get into a war with China. On the night it happened the Uss Niagara Falls (AFS-3) was about 15 miles from the Hobart. Was it the Falls they were really after and screwed up....Just a thought..
They can't even tell where the voice is coming from....?!!! WTF!!??? We are paying bazillions for this state of the art protection and that's the best they can do..Gimme a break, this story has more holes than a doughnut convention.
Coming up: Monkey Boy's last big gift to Big Oil. He wants a shootout with Iran sooooooooo bad...
Those crazy Iranians probably did drop white boxes into the water.
If the had a black top on it tells you to pass to the north or to the east, if the box had a red top then pass to the south or the west.
they were markers
Has anyone in the lapdog press picked up these comments from Aftergood?
This is THE story of the week.
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Searching on Google News for "aftergood tonkin" returns three hits, and that does not include this article (why not??):
Declassified papers confirm Johnson’s lie in an English-language Vietnamese website called Vietnam Net Bridge
Lesson On Hormuz, Tonkin and War Orchestration in an English-language Croatian site called Javno
and AFP is covering it, but only the story from 3 days ago.
And when the search string is extended to include "hormuz", only the Javno article comes up. None include the word Persian.
NICE WORK, LAPDOG LIARS OF THE MSM.
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Once again, Ron Paul is the ONLY Republican candidate calling for caution in regards to Iran. Did anyone listen to the Fox debate concerning this very topic? Every other Republican candidate tried to outdo the others with their bluster and threats towards Iran and they tried, including Fox, to make Ron Paul out to be crazy for his view of caution and nonintervention.
''''They can't even tell where the voice is coming from''''
Evidently Germans could detect the location of those spies, busy communicating by radio, in WWII.
What happened to sixty years of technological progress?
The neo con liars, the same bunch of proven liras are now lying to cover up the first lie, and on goes the charade.
When will everyone stop paying any attention to these neo con liars?
Is anyone really surprised by this? An "event" is always concocted and the upcoming war with Iran is no different. Haven't you noticed that we've been arming the Sunnis and signing up thousands of them for their "neighborhood protection" brigades.
Once the Sunnis are sufficiently armed and ready to go, we'll be able to turn our attention on Iran without having to worry about the Shiites giving us too much trouble in Iraq - they'll have a fully armed Sunni civil war to worry about.
I suspect that this would have happened already but the problem with the Kurds and the PKK had threated to remove our only friend in the region.
Everyone get ready. . .
today New York Times has an article about how military is now re-investigating war games it held in 2002 wherin small Iranian boats swarmed in and inflicted mass damage on an American fleat. They are chilled that last week's incident was so similar.
Beware of simulated doomsday scenerios that are played out just prior to the "Real" thing.
Of course the State propaganda rag, the NYT is in the la-la land of the 9/11 mytholgy so they are oblivious to the fact that in two of the major "terorist" attacks that happened--9/11 and 7/7--games were being played at the exact same time depicting the exact same events that were happening in real time.
It is a FACT that the Navy was unbothered by the Iranian swift boat "incident", in other words they didn't see it as an incident at all, but as a routine "their boats pased by our boats" scenerio.
Everything that happened afterwards is pure fear mongering and saber rattling by the government and the press and of course both in conjunction. So why is the NYT running this article a week after the fact; dumping emotions and reactions that didn't exist when it was happening? Because we're getting prepped.
I have no reason to believe Iran. Google Iran's video of the event and you'll see an individual trying to establish if the "warship" is in international waters. Now, not saying if this is true, would the US try to elicit a response from the Iranian patrol boats by brushing the line? Ya think?
Don't stop believing.
-Pat Tillman died from enemy fire.
-Jessica Lynch was shot, stabbed and rescued from her attackers.
-Saddam had WMD.
-Bhutto is still our only hope against Terrorist,now fighting from the grave.
-Pakistan is an ally,BFF.
-The USA doesn't torture.
-this list of lies is as long as both of Bush's terms.
It is all a false flag operation (Israel/U.S.). U.S. Special Forces have been doing this since Vietnam. Lt. Col. Daniel Marvin was called upon to kill the Crown Prince of Cambodia to make it look like a Viet Cong assassination. He refused. Then he was asked to assassinate Martin Luther King Jr. He refused again. (Some of us really know who killed MLK and Kennedy [Kennedy was assassinated by the Mossad for refusing to let Israel develop the A-bomb]).
Fraud US-Style: Fake Videos and Elections
by Stephen Lendman
First the videos with bin Laden ones Exhibit A. He always seems to pop up strategically at well-timed moments, almost like we planned it that way. Evidence points that way.
Consider the one on Friday (September 7) before the sixth 9/11 anniversary in 2007. Digital image forensics expert, Neal Krawetz of Hactor Factor, said it was full of low quality visual and audio splices, a likely fake. Striking also was bin Laden's beard that was gray in recent images. In this video, it's black. In addition, the footage has him dressed in a white hat and shirt and yellow sweater, precisely his same attire on an October 29, 2004 video. In addition, the background, lighting, desk and camera angle are the same.
Krawetz noted that "if you overlay the 2007 and 2004 videos, bin Laden's face is the same (unaged). Only his beard is darker, and the picture contrast was adjusted. Most important are the edits showing obvious splices, at least six video ones in all. Even more audio ones were used that appear to be words and phrases spliced together making Krawetz suspect a vocal imitator was used.
Now the latest "incident" and video making headlines...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ind...ext=va&
aid=7770
Having been a Naval Officer during the Vietnam war, I can say that life aboard ship is so boring that a little tussle with some speedboats can spice up the day. From my perspective, this Strait of Hormuz incident sounds like a sea story. Anyone who has served on Navy destroyers would have serious questions about many aspects of this event. What do the ships' logs say? These documents aren't supposed to record a pack of lies. Who took the videos and did the editing? What instructions did the editor receive? What reports were made to the chain of command? If other events like this occurred, why did this particular one receive national attention?
As kneejerk as it may be for the left in America to suspect the motives of the Bush administration, and with good reason, the fact is that the president of Iran's popularity has plunged since the nuclear weapons issue lost some of its steam. Like it or not, no politician, not even the lameduck George Bush, has more reason to divert attention by fomenting a crisis than Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Be thankful that gas prices are as high as they are. If these Thuglicans running the White House could find a way to keep prices from getting way out of reach that Americans can afford, they would have invaded already.
You know, I'm not a rocket scientist, but that audio sounds like something that came from a grade school child. Not only does it sound ridiculously stupid and Bush like, I find it unbelievable.
Voice most likely the “Filipino Monkey”:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01...famous-heckler/
Questions for David, two posts up:
1) How is our questioning of the administration's motives "kneejerk" if, as you acknowledge, we have "good reason" for doing so?
2) And, if it's true that noone had more reason to divert attention than Ahmadinjad, how does that exculpate BushCo, the party which presumably still had the second most to gain? At the least, it's a win/win for both in their arguably most cherished criterion: maintaining personal power.
To Brenda above: of course ships came close, noone is saying otherwise (very narrow & busy strait of water, after all; in fact, when Bush 1st sent fleet over many warned incidents like this were bound to occur) - only that Bush and the Pentagon are making WAY more out of this than they should.
Note the response of the US military on the scene - pretty restrained & treated as routine 'ships passing' - and properly so. It was only when Cheney and the Pentagon got wind that this began to get so exaggerated.
Funny Ron Paul said the same EXACT thing in the SC GOP debate, and not a fuckin mention. and all you dumbasses falling prey to this bullshit smear. oh no, as a publisher who had a few assholes write couple of bullshit, which they were fired for, and now he's fuckin racist. you dumb cunts really fucking disgust me. the only man calling for a unilateral withdrawal from mideast, and rest of fuckin 700 bases in 130 countries. the only one speaking for repealing genocidal drug laws. sure vote for the downfall of your own savior. bunch of fuckin morons. 2000, 2004 vote thefts, no movement on the part of either parties to rid diebold machines, and what now we are surprised that obama, and Paul had their votes stolen?? are you all fuckin blind. half of you morons are so damn retarded you dont even realize it. who the fuck thinks huckster is honest, romeney? both of these morons are fucking used car sales man. what do you live your entire lives in front of your computer all day? what the fuck, don't know how to read people.??
if you think RP is a racist, your avuncular grandpa is a fuckn racist.
does anyone bother to check who this fuckin prick jamie kirchick is??? a fuckin neocon writing for fake liberal rag the new republic who's owner is a PNAC-neocon!! an AIPAC hack, Yale Friends of Israel member, whom under Ron Paul Presidency stands to lose over $5billion of you motherfucking taxdollars to be used toward palestinian genocide, while at the same time, collectively supplying $15 billion dollars to the enemies of Israel to justify their continued military and economic aid.
jamie kirchick, a neocon apologist, fake liberal and gay activist- a fake selfhating jew and gay rudy supporter. do you fuckers get this shit?? is douchebag LOVES the drag-queen goonliani. and you dumbass fake liberals and fake progressive cant put this nexus into context? a neocon douchebag goon-liani torture apologist writing for a neocon rag parading around by feigning liberal credentials just happen to release it on midnight of Jan 8th, NH primaries. puhleeeze!!!
Wait a minute!!
This came over on VHF-16, the international hailing and distress channel. You mean to tell me that the Navy does not have automatic and recording DF (Direction Finding) equipment that would triangulate the source using receivers on two or more ships. Even the Coast Guard has that capability, not to mentioned non-automated versions used by private boat towing companoes such as TowBoat/US and SeaTow.
2008 Remove the bush/cheney administration from power even if it is 1 day less than the terms of the position they cheated to attain.
2008 Jail and presecute the bush/cheney administration in a world court without a fascist bush appointed judge allowed to preside for treason, high crimes and directing 109th - 110 congress in reversing 100's of environmental standards/laws in favor of polluters under their destructive watch.
How bout bush's decree last May 2007 that he becomes dictator if he declares the US in a state of emergency without even having to communicate with the 1%er elitists in the legislative branch.
i will see you insulated fcks in prison if it is the last thing i do.
GBD
Revisiting Larisa's memo: Some insight into why the President is playing this up now, especially after the Iran NIE gives him fewer excuses to invade:http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/11/
open-thread-688/#comment-419976
Suggests how the GOP hopes to browbeat the DNC into accepting the President's planned confrontation with Iran.
One of the coverups was the gay pornstar in the whitehouse press room (and elsewhere) several years ago.
Is the president a homosexual?
I think so.
Bush propaganda.
America is ashamed of his lies.
Give it up w.
2008 - clarification of my last post: When bush/cheney and his treasonous inbred 1%ers for being lying destructive murderers who have betrayed the American people, world citizens who desire peace, and world species go to prison this year for their crimes, it will not be the last thing i do. That is just a figure of speech.
i do not have a death wish however, as a Patriotic American i would rather die than be party to their despicable destructive lies and actions. Unlke the majority of congressional 1%er corporatist who have giving this bush/cheney takeover overwhelming support and a pass to continue their work as despicable losers, i choose like many others to end this regime immediately.
Using the truth of their actions and demanding criminal justice in my commitement to my relentless character assasinations of these constitutional law breaking cheats, good people will rise up to bring them down.
These militaristic fascist will continue to jepardize our national security with their care-less reign of terror and false flag attacks until removed from office later this year.
Buzzing speedboats is no excuse for starting a war with Iran.
We did not go to war with Israel after they actually attacked and killed 34 and wounded 173 of our servicemen on the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967.
Likewise the manipulative premise that the persuit of nuclear weapons by Iran is justification for attacking them is a setup.
If the GOP are losing in the polls after the nomination we attack Iran. The GOP can only win when America is in crisis.
Billions for defense and we can't produce a decent fake video tape??? With our technological advantage you'd think Pixar could give us some REALLY scary black speed boats with wings and red-eyed turbaned Asses Of Evil dripping the blood of fresh killed white missionaries . . .
Bush: Lying us into ANOTHER WAR!!
Speed boats. What is this, a bad rerun of Miami Vice? Was it Crockett or Tubbs that dubbed the voice?
Jebeezus, what a bunch of dupes to think that (a) any real threat to that ship and those boats would be bits of fiberglass washing ashore right now, and (b) not to drone on, but some kid with a Mac could have done a better job of dubbing the phony voice, and (c) they can't tell you where the voice came from? Hahahahahah!!! I'm spitting coffee all over myself!!
Vote straight Republican (or Hillary) and let's just end it. You wouldn't let a dog suffer a slow, painful death, would you? Nah, you put it down, even if you have to arrange payments with the vet. We've arranged the payments, right? OK. Time to turn out the lights.
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"I am commminggg to youuuuuu...."
You have to be fucking kidding me.
Chimpy, you've outdone yourself.
So, what nationality DID "the voice" sound like?
Let me guess...........
This is reminiscent of when we first invaded Iraq, and desperate to find WMD's or chemical factories, we got pictures of an empty trailer that was supposedly where all the deadly chemicals were being concocted to use against the US. A trailer. A lousy trailer with no windows, doors, or chemical making equipment for that matter. Now we get a tape with a fake Persian trying his best to sound (it seems) like a serious threat. All I can say is WHAT the F**K?? How bad does it have to get before we get this man out of the White House?
BUSH WANTS THIS WAR, AND ALL THE PEOPLE RUNNING FOR OFFICE WANT IT. Plus they will DO WHATEVER it takes to distract you, "POLITICS AS USUAL 101, OH Ron Paul... he's laughed at becuase, even though he's being totally truthful, the AMERICAN people have been brainwashed into believeing "WE" need to police the entire planet...hmmmm "who died and made us GOD"?
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