Beat me to the post.
Forget Ferraro. My question to the big O is this:
Shouldn’t you make a speech like Romney had to, stating why he followed that pastor, church and your SPECIFIC reason for your conversion?
"Specific"....ROFLMAO
He said Barack isn't rich. I guess he hasn't seen Barack's $1.6 M house?
I also don't see so much of this "hatin' on Barack Obama" that he claims is out there.
I also guess that as a man he doesn't realize that Hilary faced the obstacles a woman faced when she was growing up and trying to succeed in law.
I really don't think this guy said that much that upsets me or surprises me. He basically says that Barack is the only one who can understand what it is to be a black man in a society where the elites are primarily whites. I'm not saying that what he said is productive, but I didn't catch where he blamed all of society's ills on white America.
I do think Geraldine Ferraro is right though. On the other hand, although my initial impression of Barack was that he was getting fame and attention early on because he was black, if race was all he had, he would have fizzled out long ago instead of doing as well as he has.
Sorry, to be more specific: Barack got early attention in large part because he was black, but he wouldn't be doing so well now if he didn't have a very well organized campaign, great speaking ability, and the ability to address questions and issues in an intelligent and convincing manner.
Obama is a brilliant orator Scott. He can say nothing better than anyone since Bill Clinton.
Speaking of this pastor his speech is out of line and illegal in the face of rules governing 501 (c)(3) organization and their legal obligation regarding partisan issues.
This church should have their tax exempt status stripped immediately.
In addition Obama should be made to answer for this seeing as he has claimed this man as his spiritual mentor.
"the ability to address questions and issues in an intelligent and convincing manner"
Really?
He adresses everything so well, everyone hears what they want. How many "Obamaniacs" can tell you the actual cost of the crap he's proposing to do make make us all as enlightened as him?
"This church should have their tax exempt status stripped immediately."
Agreed. But frankly, they all should. Almost all of them do this to a point.
No JIJARWM they do not.
You may think they do but they do not. Most churches are very careful about this.
At mine we sometimes get a reminder to vote but NEVER who to vote for.
Agreed. But frankly, they all should. Almost all of them do this to a point.
Nope. Again, your atheism gets in the way of your reason.
Keep trying, though. It really is amusing.
Very true Amy.
I've been going to church my whole life, NEVER have I heard this kind of politics from the pulpit.
I wonder how many churches MR. JIJARWM has been to? Then again, no I don't.
Tons. I'm a former Catholic. But this is just one of a million reasons why they should lose their tax exempt status. The other, more notable one is that they are pointless, they make a lot of money and there's no reason for them to be tax exampt.
"I'm a former Catholic."
...meaning you used to, but havent been since the last wedding you attended, right?
if you're a former catholic, the Pope is Lutheran.
Sorry jesusisjustalrightwithme but you can't tax churches due to the separation of church and state.
OUCH!
Jack with the 3-pointer from way downtown!
Bang!
Well, I'm not sure JIJARWM is totally wrong here. While even in my own Catholic parish there is NEVER any political preaching from the pulpit, there is a lot of background stuff going on withing sections of the Churchthat I don't care for---such as helping illegal immigrants get social security cards. I'm not saying the church shouldn't clothe and feed even illegal immigrants, but it SHOULD NOT help them break the laws of our country by handing out false documents. I've seen a bunch of phony social security cards in back of some churches with some of the nuns telling people to help themselves to them. As far as I'm concerned if they want to feed and clothe and provide health care, the Church itself ought to be paying for those things---instead of giving people access to the social system with phony documents in some misguided attempt to "help".
Sorry, but either the Church sticks to the things of God and leaves politics alone, or it ought to have its tax exempt status removed. Even though I'm a Catholic I have no sympathy for shenanigans like that.
As Christ said" Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's and unto God that which is God's". And politics is NOT part of rendering unto God, nor are phony documents in order to suck the social system dry.
As you can see, I have my problems with the Catholic Church----not with the belief system, BUT I HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THE BODY POLITIC OF THE CHURCH. One needs to be able to separate them, and until they straighten out their body politic I also do not contribute anything to them.
The other, more notable one is that they are pointless, they make a lot of money and there's no reason for them to be tax exampt.
Yeah...well, when you start lobbying for the even MORE pointless entities like Code Pink and Planned Parenthood to have their tax-exempt status revoked for breaking the 501(c)(3) regulations, then we'll talk.
Sorry jesusisjustalrightwithme but you can't tax churches due to the separation of church and state.
Uhm, no. Sorry. It would be more accurate to say that Church tax exempt status violates seperation of church and state by bestowing an extra right on religious organizations, thereby "respecting an establishment of religion."
That said, I actually disagree with Mr. Isjustalrightwithme on this one. We allow non-religious non-profit organizations, and so we also should allow religious non-profit organizations. Some would argue that churches can get away with more than normal 501 (c) 3 organizations, but I don't think that's true either. There are tons of perfectly secular non-profits that stretch the meaning of "non-profit" to its absolute limit.
If you want to abolish all 501 (c) 3s as well, I'd consider that. Or just eliminate taxes.
Or just eliminate taxes.
Yeah. Keep dreaming. But good points otherwise.
Roseindigo the supply of forged federal documents is a felony and you are required by both the law and the doctrine of the Catholic Church to report it. If you wish to remain anonymous you can but you have to report the approximate dates and locations of this right now. Those cards could be used by terrorists to get ID cards and to refuse to report this is placing Americans in danger.
This passing of false documents (not necessarily forged--since I don't know if that's the caseor or if these SS cards once belonged to someone else) is not the policy of the Catholic Church. I want that clearly understood. However, there are some free-floating priests and nuns who defy the rules and do it anyway.
Actually, the next time I see this I will report it. Never thought of it. But thanks for the info.
If this type of hate was being spilled from John McCain's church would this be a BIG story? We all know the answer to that is yes.
I suppose you've never heard of "pastor" Hagee?
Rose, if you are seeing it done at specific churches, those churches need to be reported, regardless of whether the RCC endorses the activity or not.
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